I am sure I read that the 3rd phase tower proposal had been dropped a long time ago in favour of something more in line with the existing buildings - anybody else remember this? A lot of posters seem to be expecting a tower which I believe has been ruled out.

There is still space for the tower I think, it's just not been carried through yet. It probably won't be reproposed until the economy picks up. It never was officially 'dropped' as such.

I'm not fussed about having a tower here, it works well enough as a low-rise scheme.

As 'No.1 says, I don't think it was officially dropped (as far as we know), just a lot of speculation on here that it is unlikely to proceed in the current market conditions.

Depends on the type and quality of the render and workmanship, also if the rain water details around the gutters and windows have been done properly to prevent drip marks and staining etc. I think this is a fine development, one of Leeds best new builds. The render and copper elements work particularly well, I'm not sure about the brown tiles on the hotel element though.

To be fair, the white elements of Phase 1 which has been in place for a couple of years seem to be holding up very well - the blue/green cladding similalry seems to be showing no signs of staining.

Phase 3 (aka the tower) I suspect they'll just sit on until propsects improve a little- I suppose thats the beauty of having a phased scheme - they have outline planning for the whole scheme including tower, and have done most of it, so the principle of a tower here is well established. As di livio says, the scheme has a degree of coherence without it in the meantime.

Update from yesterday:



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Me again:


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From YEP
A NEW Leeds bar is flying in the face of the credit crunch by creating 35 jobs.
Bucking the trend for downsizing and cutbacks, Suburban Bar will start serving later this month within the £150m Gateway development, east of The Calls, on the edge of the city centre.
The new £750,000 watering hole will be the flagship venue for business Suburban Style Bar Company, besides being the first food and drink outlet in the award-winning Gateway.
The firm already operates five bars around Leeds and Bradford, including one in Chapel Allerton, and its latest – a 4,200 sq ft unit – will be housed underneath the nine-storey Accor Etap Hotel.
Andy Longman, managing director of Suburban Style Bar Co, said: "This new venture sees us stamp our mark on a previously untapped area of the city centre, and has led to the creation of 35 full and part-time jobs."
He added: "We have been looking for a city-centre outlet for some time."
The Suburban group was founded eight years ago by Mr Longman and its first bar opened in 2000 in Horsforth.
Earlier this year a wholly-owned subsidiary, Beacon Pub Company, was established to manage a further 10 community pubs it brought into the fold.
Mr Longman added: "With the Gateway being on the edge of the city centre, developments such as these are becoming the new suburbs so we think the name of the bar goes well and is very fitting."
Transformed
The Gateway has transformed the former Howarth Timber site, scooping the Regeneration Award for Excellence at the 2008 Property Executive Development Awards. Existing tenants include Hirst and Miller Hair Studio, Motiv8 Gym and Aroma coffee house.
Breast Cancer Haven also hopes to move into the Gateway, opening a base that provides support for sufferers and their families.

The bar is now open and the other retail units are now open; only the Breast Cancer Haven remains to be completed. In the meantime, the finishing touches are being applied to the new office space to the north of the site, and to the landscaping. I wonder if the developers will try to tidy up the site of the last phase in the expectation of nothing happening there for the next couple of years.


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The builders' portacabins have been cleared off the site now to leave a surprisingly large open space at the eastern end of the site.



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While I'm pretty certain that the original renders showed some kind of waterway flowing through the middle of the Gateway, it seems to have been scaled back a bit.



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I presume this empty plot at the Gateway site (where the tower for this scheme was once planned) would remain vacant for quite a while due to obvious economic reasons. How popular are the retail units proving to be and is this development highly occupied by residents? That water feature and surrounding bit of green space does look rather plain and lacklusture though imo.

I don't like this development at all! It's dull and a mix and match of different materials that will all age badly and look even worse when it's raining.
The green building wouldn't look too bad if the grey box on top was scaled down abit. It's just too prominent.
That water feature in the middle is laughable. It's tiny!

I like The Gateway. There definitely was a sort of stream type thing running through it when the project was first conceived though, you're right.

The Gateway looks pretty cool I think - wouldn't mind living there if it wasn't too pricey. I'll have to stick to the Regent Street area.

This development really misses the tower element. I looked at the renders and thought "wow!". I look at it now, without the tower, and think that it's trying very, very hard to be appealing architecturally but still manages to look sterile.

Well, the idea for the tall tower seems to have been quietly shelved, to nobody's great surprise. Instead, we have this:


Reference
08/06681/FU/C

Applicant
The Gateway (Leeds) Ltd - S Holman

Description
Part 10 storey part 18 storey block of 96 student cluster flats with 508 bedrooms, with ground floor wardens flat, 2 retail units, common room, laundrette and 2 refuse stores, basement parking and landscaping.

Location
Phase 3
The Gateway
East Street
Leeds
LS9 8AX

Agent
Carey Jones Architects
W Dodds
Rose Wharf
78 East Street
Leeds
LS9 8EE

18 storey is still good given the current climate, also, I think its great that student accom is being spread into the city, because it adds a vibe to the city centre, and increaes the number of people living in the centre in general which is a good thing because the more who live in the centre, the more amenities become available, making it more attractive for more people

what baffles me tho is its really far from the unis.. i wouldnt want to live so far away. even a cosy terrace house in burley park is nearer to the unis

yeah it's a fair trek unless you're at the music college (which has its own accom anyway). Near the bus station though, there you can get the 97/28 etc up that way.

altho in fairness, how far is it to walk? 15 minutes? Lots of people when i was a student used to walk from headingley to uni, or walk from hyde park to uni.

altho in fairness, how far is it to walk? 15 minutes? Lots of people when i was a student used to walk from headingley to uni, or walk from hyde park to uni.

Google maps puts the walking distance (from Turlow Court, just behind the gateway, which it doesnt recognise) as 1.5 miles, or just over half hour (slow walk), so it isn't that bad really.

Yeah the Music College has its own accomodation but there isnt even enough accomodation in that building for the first years! So youve got the secodn and third years of there, quite a lot live in the student accomodation building next to the gateway, plus you have the ballet theatre building soon to be built which would have students looking for accomodation. So theres plenty of student buildings in hte close proximity plus like already mentioned its close to the bus station for people who dont want to walk all the way up to the uni.
Until they moved to online submissions, and before it became music students only, the music colelge used to let students of leeds met and leeds uni who were living in joseph stones (the name of the colelges acocmodation) hand their assignments in in the college to save them having to go all the way up to the unis.

10 and 18 storeys is still good I think. Yeah, 18 storeys is low compared to what we got used two years ago but in reality it is actually quite tall when you see it in reality. St. Peters Square is suprisingly tall I think.

Also there is the Chessboard building in this part of the city, and CD student residences, so it could help towards a new student area in this part of the city which would be really good for it I think.

Well, the idea for the tall tower seems to have been quietly shelved, to nobody's great surprise. Instead, we have this:

Well it would certainly at least be something to see substantial developed in the East End of the city centre in this current climate, provided the developers manage to get the funding of course. 18 storeys would surely make a mark on the skyline especially at a time like this. Are there any renders of this new scheme anywhere?

Are there any renders of this new scheme anywhere?


Indeed there are. Go into the city council's planning office just off Great George Street, quote the planning application reference number I gave above and you will be handed a boxful of material about the planning application, with enough drawings and renders to gladden the heart of the most jaded forumer.

The proposal for the final phase of the gateway is up for consideration at the planning panel this week (see here (http://democracy.leeds.gov.uk/Published/C00000173/M00003559/AI00018583/0806681Gateway.pdf) for the paper).

Basically, the 18-storey element will be clad in the turquoise panels that we see on the block facing the river and East Street, while the lower 10-storey block will be clad in render and zinc panels, similar to what you see along the Marsh lane frontage.

Thanks Aviator. I'm glad about the turquoise - it should look good.

Yes it should look good, and 18 storeys is a good height considering the state of the Leeds residential market in the wider economy now.

From the Business Desk:

THE Gateway, a mixed-use development in Leeds, now boasts a bespoke work of public art after an artist used the developments inner courtyard as a giant canvas.

Work began last month bringing artist Linda Schwab’s design 'Connect' to life after she won a competition run by Scotfield, the developers of the scheme, to create a permanent work of public art.

Ms Schwab's creation shows a path through the inner courtyard, using raised, coloured studs which highlight the different areas of the development and brings the visual effect of seasonal changes to life.

More than 12,000 studs were used within the art installation and took nearly two weeks to complete.

National contractor By Design Sealants, which is usually commissioned to lay studs in pedestrian crossings, was hired to carry out the installation.

Stephen Holman, director at Scotfield, said: “Linda’s unique work of art adds a brand new dimension to The Gateway. The splashes of colour complement the landmark turquoise building and add to the vibrancy of the development.”

08/06681/FU/C

The Gateway (Leeds) Ltd - S Holman

Part 10 storey part 18 storey block of 96 student cluster flats with 508 bedrooms, with ground floor wardens flat, 2 retail units, common room, launderette and 2 refuse stores, basement parking and landscaping.

Phase 3
The Gateway
East Street
Leeds
LS9 8AX

Approved
25/11/09
City & Hunslet

08/06681/FU/C

The Gateway (Leeds) Ltd - S Holman

Part 10 storey part 18 storey block of 96 student cluster flats with 508 bedrooms, with ground floor wardens flat, 2 retail units, common room, launderette and 2 refuse stores, basement parking and landscaping.

Phase 3
The Gateway
East Street
Leeds
LS9 8AX

Approved
25/11/09
City & Hunslet

So are there no renders publicly available as of yet on the internet showing how this will appear (and no I don't have the time or energy to look at the council's planning office personally to look at plans for this scheme but thanks for letting me know Aviator ;)).

how big will 18 storey student bloke be? :dunno:

55 meters :yes:

will that make it the tallest component of gateway?

I'll put a fiver on 59m

tenner on 58m, closet one wins (payment accept via paypal) :)

So are there no renders publicly available as of yet on the internet showing how this will appear (and no I don't have the time or energy to look at the council's planning office personally to look at plans for this scheme but thanks for letting me know Aviator ;)).


You could, of course, look online here (http://plandocs.leeds.gov.uk/WAM/showCaseFile.do?appName=planning&appNumber=08/06681/FU)

Some new pics of The Gateway with the site of the new proposals still boarded off.

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Also noticeable that as far as I can see none of the considerable office space at the base of the main buildings has been let - this was something I did not know.

Great photos :)

Noticed on the YEP that there has been a death through someone at one of the flats in the Gateway development jumping (presumably suicide?). http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Leeds-death-plunge-inquiry-UPDATED.6298421.jp

Take it there is no update on the last phase of this development yet and how are the amenities at the Gateway performing considering it is rather hidden away on a traffic island.

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/businessnews/Travel-company-on-the-move.6503226.jp
Travel company on the move to £150m city

31 August 2010
Aisha Iqbal

A MAJOR corporate travel consultancy has become the latest big name to sign up to office space in one of Leeds's landmark business developments.

Flight Centre UK Ltd has relocated to The Gateway, the £150m mixed used development in Leeds city centre, from its existing base in Wellington Street.

The travel company's two corporate brands, FCm Travel Solutions and Corporate Traveller, will be based within the new 3,457 square foot offices.

The 29 employees from the Leeds branch workforce have all relocated from Wellington Street to the edge of city development.

The firm's new corporate neighbours will be Breast Cancer Haven, Etap Hotel, Hirst and Miller Hair Studio, Motiv8 Gym, Aroma Café and Scotfield.

Helen Cochrane, FCm Travel Solutions' Leeds branch manager, said: "The location was key for us with easy access from the train and bus station.
"The premium level of security was a major plus and one of the main reasons we chose The Gateway.

"The quiet location and the mix of office space and residential living gives a relaxed feeling which our staff are already reaping the benefits of.

"The prime location has not only enabled easier access to our offices but also accommodated employees' needs with a gym, shop and café within the complex.

"With The Gateway's great location, easy access from road, train and bus, its 24-hour security and car parking onsite, it makes the perfect location for any thriving business that wants to reap the benefits of city centre office space without the hefty rental costs."

Stephen Holman, development director at Scotfield Developments, owners of The Gateway, said: "The latest letting at The Gateway signals signs of life in the market, and we are confident that these two companies will bring significant profile to the development and work to encourage further occupier interest to the site.

"We hope that they are the first of many commercial lettings at The Gateway this year.''

The move signals the increasing popularity of the city's east quarter.

Trendy hotspot the Calls and several student developments have already boosted footfall in the area.

A couple of recent pics.

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turquoise bit is starting to look a little old and tired and dirty and its only 3 years old or so. positive news about the new occupants....every little helps.

From this morning's Business Desk:


Ingeus takes space at Gateway
23rd September 2011

By Ian Briggs - Editor, Yorkshire


WELFARE-to-work provider Ingeus UK has taken 12,000 sq ft of space at The Gateway in Leeds in what is believed to be the biggest commercial property letting in the city this year.

The organisation, which helps get unemployed people back into work, is to base 33 staff members in the building.

Ingeus has taken a five year lease at The Gateway and will move in to the premises next month.

The move has been prompted as the organisation required extra capacity in the city.

Ingeus delivers the Department for Work and Pensions’ Work Programme in Leeds, offering jobseekers employability support to help them find jobs and provide employers with a recruitment service that matches skilled candidates to their recruitment needs.

Staff at The Gateway will cover areas including employment advice, employer partnership co-ordination and administration.

Mark Taylor, Ingeus’ director in Yorkshire, said: “Ingeus has been delivering the Work Programme in Leeds since June, and this move means that we will have the facilities we need to assist local people to get back to work, and support local employers with their recruitment needs from one central, easily accessible location.”

Simon Dove, senior surveyor at Jones Lang LaSalle, agent on the scheme, said: “Over 80% of city centre office transactions are below 5,000 sq ft, therefore this 12,000 sq ft letting is good for the market, confirming demand for larger floor plates.

“Following a 3,457 sq ft letting to The Flight Centre in 2010, Ingeus has taken a sizeable amount of grade A office space within the mixed use development, restoring faith in the city centre development. Ingeus were drawn to the scheme’s excellent public transport links and facilities.”

Ingeus is 50% owned by Deloitte and 50% owned by the Ingeus Group of Companies.

Since June, Ingeus UK has been delivering the Department for Work and Pensions’ Work Programme in seven regions across the UK, in partnership with a network of organisations from the third, public and private sectors and Jobcentre Plus.

From this morning's Business Desk:

Great news.......... I might pop in and see them

Bit of movement on Phase 3 with the following submission (https://publicaccess.leeds.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=LU51ROJB0FQ00) last week:

Part 10 storey part 18 storey block of 96 student cluster flats with 508 bedrooms, with ground floor wardens flat, 2 retail units, common room, launderette and 2 refuse stores, basement parking and landscaping NON MATERIAL AMENDMENT to 08/06681/FU: Addition of an approved plans condition

The case refers you to the original application (https://publicaccess.leeds.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=KBEFJVJB0FZ00) for the new docs but these aint been uploaded as yet.

Bit of movement on Phase 3 with the following submission (https://publicaccess.leeds.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=LU51ROJB0FQ00) last week:


The case refers you to the original application (https://publicaccess.leeds.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=KBEFJVJB0FZ00) for the new docs but these aint been uploaded as yet.

Just seen this planning application in ysterdays YEP, looking like this is moving forward and the 18 storey is yet more evidence of the re-emergence of highrise developments in Leeds........can't wait to see those cranes back on the city skyline

Does this need a new thread?


I'll post some of the visuals here anyway:


18 floors, about 55m, Carey Jones designed (can you tell!?)

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it's a short version of this:

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Not sure if there is a genuine desire to build it or simply an attempt to stop existing approval lapsing.

I think given this is to be student accommodation, it is less affected by economic factors than residential/office developments? I think I'd put this favourite to get built of the current proposals...

Shame we didn't get the taller version but I think we'd all take a new tower (and resonable looking?) right now?!

The Gateway docs ended up being a minor amendment to the existing application. Nothing to see here. Move on kids!

Do you mean the existing buildings, or the existing plans for the new tower?

Maybe this is just an ammendment to keep the plans alive, but I think this is still a good sign. There must be, at least some, interest in building in Leeds, maybe not imminently moving on-site, but medium-term plans. Hopefully by keeping these schemes alive, from a planning point of view, they can rock-on fairly quickly once either
a) The economy picks up
b) Ripple effects from Trinity and/or Eastgate are seen.
c) Ripple effects from the Arena

The Gateway docs ended up being a minor amendment to the existing application. Nothing to see here. Move on kids!

Its hardly a minor amendment its a total change is size massing and over all use.. so hardly minor in any way Shiny Dave..

As stated there is a constant and increasing demand for this type of student flats, the figures add up too, so I would not be too surprised to see this getting off the ground soon...... IMHO.....:cheers::cheers:

Just to reassure you, it is a minor amendment. See section 8 of the application form dated 8/11/11.... I'm quite positive it would take the council longer than 3 days to make a new decision on a change in size and massing.

Gateway Public Access (https://publicaccess.leeds.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=KBEFJVJB0FZ00)

Application Form (https://publicaccess.leeds.gov.uk/online-applications/files/10E95D3633CE35ABECBE2B15256F4635/pdf/08_06681_FU-11_9_00235_-_APPLICATION_FORM-512304.pdf)

Noticed the site is up for sale, with planning permission for student flats today...

Noticed the site is up for sale, with planning permission for student flats today...

Quel surprise, planning permission resecured just before the site is put up for sale.

Further alterations sought to the student accommodation proposal for Gateway

Reference 12/00828/FU
Address Phase 3 The Gateway East Street Leeds LS9 8AX
Proposal Variation of condition 40 or previous approval 08/06681/FU for minor material amendment to address changes to the building including removal of high level link bridge, alterations to accommodation mix, new glazed link at ground floor, increase in floor to floor height, reduction in parapet to Block E, PV panels to south elevation of Block F and reconfiguration of ground floor and basement level
Status Pending Consideration
Appeal Status No data

Plans (https://publicaccess.leeds.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=LZSUGDJB0FZ00)

Design and Access (https://publicaccess.leeds.gov.uk/online-applications/files/CEE3E61427EC99961202FD4C33B0642B/pdf/12_00828_FU-DESIGN_AND_ACCESS_ADDENDUM-565776.pdf)

Hope that proposed development has that green cladding matching the rest of the Gateway as looking at those renders it would look awful if done in grey (and should be blocked imo) although something does need to fill in that hole in the ground. Still a pity that the previous Gateway Tower proposal for this site wasn't built.

http://skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/3551GatewaySouth_pic1.jpg

Looks like they've got a new development partner on board which has breathed new life into the proposal, and they are pushing for a series of sensible looking eco enhancements.

The planning board can't fail but to be pleased with and approve this enhancement proposal.

Hope that proposed development has that green cladding matching the rest of the Gateway as looking at those renders it would look awful if done in grey

Yeah the plans state green rainscreen. Better than grey rainscreen I suppose. From the elevation plans I measure 62.5m including the bit below ground level and above the upper elevation line.

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Its a fair height then, i really hope some work starts on it soon.

Good news if this starts soon, it might encourage movement at these two sites across the road from it.http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1111/eastbankcottonstf40381c.jpg
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pfff, is this going to be another shite plastic looking student tower to add a little more misery to our mish mash skyline ?

Good news if this starts soon, it might encourage movement at these two sites across the road from it.http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1111/eastbankcottonstf40381c.jpg
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Are these very old renders and long gone or new ones just released?

Are these very old renders and long gone or new ones just released?
sorry mate, should hav said ,they are old renders.This tower should look ok if its green cladding.Good to see a crane we might not see another tall (for Leeds) building built for a decade or longer!

Plans gone in for the small corner site across the road where this old curved building is that used to house a college/Veneer factory: http://g.co/maps/aqes3
Nothing too exciting, just a 6 & 4 storey block of 3 bed apartments 11/05399/FU to be discussed at Plans Panel in May http://democracy.leeds.gov.uk/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=66831 Although interestingly brick build rather than screen clad for a change.

Would add a bit of mass so would be nice.