lol not really a nude city but a city is being built in Qeshm island in the Persian Gulf by Iranian Armenians which will be forbidden for Iranian muslims. Islamic rules won't be applied in this city and men and women are free to walk even naked in the streets.

http://tourism.chn.ir/news/?id=8534

wtf? why do armenians want to be nude? imagine a mother walking naked infront of her son, that is sick. hahahahahahahahh

http://www.allempires.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif For our Mullahs, a woman without chador is "Nude"!

ok thats odd.....i must go there some day!

No way,,,

Armenians have had these sort of complexes in Tehran & Isfahan for a few years now. Once inside, they can walk around and interact as they see fit, without having to face the punishment Muslim Iranians face.

Americans in Iran?!?? :runaway:

Marshal is the shit :)

will persian girls be allowed to go here?

after seeing, 30 million votes for mullahs, I think Iran is composed of persian speaking arabs...

I think Iran is composed of persian speaking arabs... Sad but true :bash:

lol so iran is arab?

Sad but true :bash:

huh?!??

Say again? :bash:

Marshal is the shit :)

:nuts:

^^ Hey Mr. Troll why are you posting such thoughtless and irritating posts then and then? :)

Americans in Iran?!?? :runaway:

Marshal, learn to read...

after seeing, 30 million votes for mullahs, I think Iran is composed of persian speaking arabs...


Really? Well even if it's true that the 30 million that mullahs say voted, Simple mathematics tells us 30 000 000/70 000 000 ~ 0.428 *100 = 43% of Iranians. Btw, What's up with the Turkish PM reading an Islamist poem at a political rally, or the fact that his party wanted to illegalize adultery?
OR what about the fact that Turks -Which have a democracy- voted for his party in a landslide election?

You wanna tell us...or maybe we should go back to the subject of this thread, eh? ;)

Really? Well even if it's true that the 30 million that mullahs say voted, Simple mathematics tells us 30 000 000/70 000 000 ~ 0.428 *100 = 43% of Iranians. Btw, What's up with the Turkish PM reading an Islamist poem at a political rally, or the fact that his party wanted to illegalize adultery?
OR what about the fact that Turks -Which have a democracy- voted for his party in a landslide election?

You wanna tell us...or maybe we should go back to the subject of this thread, eh? ;)

WTF? illegalize adultery, you mean currently its legalized, what a screwed up country

WTF? illegalize adultery, you mean currently its legalized, what a screwed up country

Maybe you are referring to the one-night stand marriages legalized in Iran???

^^ Hey Mr. Troll why are you posting such thoughtless and irritating posts then and then? :)

:ohno: :ohno:

after seeing, 30 million votes for mullahs, I think Iran is composed of persian speaking arabs...

Turks elected a government with Islamists routs so I would guess Turkey is composed of Turks speaking arabs.

:rofl: :rofl:

:ohno: :ohno: :)

i CANT BELIEVE THE THINGS I HAVE TO READ IN THIS THREAD

NOW LISTEN EVERYONE

TURKEY IS A SECULAR COUNTRY!

DOESNT MATTER IF THE PARTY CURRENTLY IN POWER HAS ISLAMIC IDEOLOGIES BECAUSE IF THEY EVER TRY TO MOVE AWAY FROM SECULAR LAWS THEY WILL BE KICKED OUT OF PARLIAMENT LIKE IT HAPPENED IN 1994

Kicked by the secular military eh ;)

It is interesting, if people elected a party with some Islamists rout it means the majority supports this party with its Islamic idologies right? Which means also the majority supports them even if it was against secualr laws.

I am confused. Because people decide whether they want to be secular or not. In other words if the party they had elected chose to go against secualr laws it would do what the majority wants. Am I wrong?

That what democracy means doesnt it?

The Turks have a responsible army who safeguard democracy and protect the country from Islamism. If the people are manipulated into voting for Islamist parties, the Army will step in and protect the country.

hmm cakes and pastries in UAE are the best. yummy

lol so iran is arab?

Banned member Raza under new name Kapoor :bash:

Why dont the mods ban him again

is the nude city better then this: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=238186&page=1&pp=20 :rofl:

Banned member Raza under new name Kapoor :bash:

Why dont the mods ban him again

because i haven't said anything insulting

The Turks have a responsible army who safeguard democracy and protect the country from Islamism. If the people are manipulated into voting for Islamist parties, the Army will step in and protect the country.

It isnt democracy then.

i CANT BELIEVE THE THINGS I HAVE TO READ IN THIS THREAD

NOW LISTEN EVERYONE

TURKEY IS A SECULAR COUNTRY!

DOESNT MATTER IF THE PARTY CURRENTLY IN POWER HAS ISLAMIC IDEOLOGIES BECAUSE IF THEY EVER TRY TO MOVE AWAY FROM SECULAR LAWS THEY WILL BE KICKED OUT OF PARLIAMENT LIKE IT HAPPENED IN 1994

Before i start, i got one point. Do you think people will take you more seriously when you write with capital letters?

Anyways, The point i was making with Tekir is that Turks have elected an Islamist party even when they have other choices, Iranians don't have other choices. So if what Tekir is saying that Iranians are Persian speaking arabs then Turks are Turkish speaking arabs.

But...This is a centuries old thing, this whole "we are better than you" thing, is a regional issue and i can't expect you to understand it.

Interesting we had something to agree on.

The world is a better place without Islam, Christianity and Judaisim.

Buddism is a better choice.

The world is a better place without Islam, Christianity and Judaisim.

Buddism is a better choice.

I agree to an extent, but what about Buddhist monk's artocities against Hindus in SriLanka

I agree to an extent, but what about Buddhist monk's artocities against Hindus in SriLanka


No Singhalese Monk would kill a fellow Eelam liberist my friend, stop skewing other's religion :rofl:

The world is a better place without Islam, Christianity and Judaisim.

Buddism is a better choice.


Next time you may give reasons for your opinions, and Muslims don't need your comments when it comes to their relegion whcih they are proud of, muslims respect and beleive in Christianity and Judaism. Muslims dont warship cows and dogs ,,,

All kinds of ideologies is accepted in a true democracy, even religious

All kinds of ideologies is accepted in a true democracy, even religious

Yeah, but people should keep in mind that their limits end where other people's limits start !

i wana see some nude irani girls, hey persian guy do you have a hot sister??????????????

do you have anything better to do?

Maybe you are referring to the one-night stand marriages legalized in Iran???

what the ..... reminds me of the dogs next door :D lol , they like doing that too

what the ..... reminds me of the dogs next door :D lol , they like doing that too

Aren't you western (or is it crazy??)?

It is quite common for westerners (except the marriage part :D lol ).

I concluded from this thread that both persians and turks are speaking arabs.

What about pakistanis and afghanis?? :rofl:

What about pakistanis and afghanis??

Don't tell me they are Arabs too? :crazy:

:ohno: :ohno:

Next time you may give reasons for your opinions, and Muslims don't need your comments when it comes to their relegion whcih they are proud of, muslims respect and beleive in Christianity and Judaism. Muslims dont warship cows and dogs ,,,


i think the purpose of his comment was to point out that the world would be a little better off without the whole religious aregument wich often surrounds ISLAM, CHRISTIANITY and JUDAISM.

it was not a personal attack on muslims so chill out. no one has to give reasons for an opinion anyways, if you really believe that then maybe you should express your reasoning for having a problem with people worshiping cows and dogs. you should never speak on behalf of an entire group of people either, "muslims dont need" i dont think you are anyone to say what any population of 1,000,000 needs!

there is atleast some arab blood from the people from France to India.

Allah Lop par! Allah Lop par! Allah Lop par!

Allah Lop par! Allah Lop par! Allah Lop par!

wah ???????????????????????

Turks elected a government with Islamists routs so I would guess Turkey is composed of Turks speaking arabs.

:rofl: :rofl:
Actually, the AK-party is not Islamist, but a Muslim Democratic party, similar to other Christian Democratic parties.

Together with Ukraine's "Nasha Ukraina", the AK-party has been granted observer status in the European People's party, which is a first step to admission.

I think it is very good, that the conservatives in Turkey formed their own democratic party to defend the values of Islam in a democratic way. This is just like the Christian-Democrats in the rest of Europe. These parties are anti-abortion, for religious education in schools, against gay marriage etc.. The EPP is the largest party in the European Parliament and it was a smart move to attract the AK-party, since it might ensure the majority in the parliament whenever Turkey becomes member of the EU.

By the way, I am not a conservative; I am liberal - that's why I believe that a healthy mix of political views in a country is very important.

Therefore, AK-party is certainly not Islamist.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
European People's Party: Conservatism
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/06/Logo_epp.gif/180px-Logo_epp.gif

According to its website the EPP is "a family of the political center whose roots are deep in the history of European civilization. It unites like-minded national parties, in EU Member States and in EU applicant countries and we maintain close contact with decided probable candidate countries."

The EPP has a youth political party called the Youth of the European People's Party (YEPP).

The European Democratic Students (EDS) is a group of student political parties associated with the EPP.

Member Parties

Austria
Österreichische Volkspartei (ÓVP) (Austrian Peoples Party)

Belgium
Centre démocrate humaniste (CDH) (Humanist democratic centre),
Christen-Democratisch en Vlaams (CD&V) (Christian Democratic & Flemish),
Christlich Soziale Partei (CSP) (Christian Social Party),
Nieuw-Vlaamse Alliantie (N-VA) (New Flemish Alliance)

Cyprus
Δημοκρατικός Συναγερμός (ΔΗ.ΣΥ.) (Democratic Rally)

Czech Republic
Křesťanská a demokratická unie - Československá strana lidová (KDU-CSL) (Christian and Democratic Union - Czechoslovak People's Party),
Evropští demokraté (ED)(European Democrats),
Sdružení nezávislých (SNK) (Union of Independent Candidates)

Denmark
Det Konservative Folkeparti (KF) (Conservative People's Party)

Estonia
Isamaaliit (Pro Patria Union)

Finland
Kansallinen Kokoomus (KOK) (National Coalition Party)

France
Union pour un Mouvement Populaire (UMP) (New Union for public movement)

Germany
Christlich Demokratische Union (CDU) (Christian Democratic Union),
Christlich-Soziale Union in Bayern (CSU) (Christian Social Union of Bavaria)

Greece
Νέα Δημοκρατία (ND) (New Democracy)

Hungary
Magyar Polgári Szövetség (FIDESZ) (Hungarian Civic Union),
Magyar Demokrata Fórum (MDF) (Hungarian Democratic Forum)

Republic of Ireland
Fine Gael (FG) (Family of the Irish)

Italy
Forza Italia (FI) (Go on Italy),
UDEUR-Popolari (UDEUR) (Democratic Union for Europe),
Südtiroler Volkspartei (SVP) (South Tyrol People's Party),
Partito dei Pensionati (PP) (Pensioners' Party),
Unione Demo-Cristiani e Democratici di centro (UDC) (Union of Christian Democratic and Democratics of Centre)

Latvia
Tautas Partija (TP) (People's Party),
Jaunais Laiks (JL) (New Era)

Lithuania
Lietuvos Krikšcionys Demokratai (LKD) (Lithuanian Christian Democrats),
Tėvynės sąjunga -Lietuvos konservatoriai (Lietuvos konservatoriai) (TS-LK) (Homeland Union (Lithuanian Conservative Party))

Luxembourg
Chrëschtlech Sozial Vollekspartei (CSV)(Christian-Social People's Party)

Malta
Partit Nazzjonalista (PN) (Nationalist Party)

Netherlands
Christen-Democratisch Appèl (CDA) (Christian Democratic Appeal)

Poland
Platforma Obywatelska (PO) (Civic Platform),
Polskie Stronnictwo Ludowe (PSL) (Polish People's Party)

Portugal
Partido Social Democrata (PSD)(Social Democratic Pary)

Slovakia
Slovenská demokratická a kresťanská únia (SDKU)(Slovak Democratic and Christian Union),
Strana maďarskej koalície (SMK) (Party of Hungarian Coalition),
Kresťanskodemokratické hnutie (KDH) (Christian Democratic Movement of Slovakia)

Slovenia
Slovenska demokratska stranka (SDS) (Slovenian Democratic Party),
Nova Slovenija (NSi) (New Slovenia)

Spain
Partido Popular (PP) (Popular Party)

Sweden
Moderaterna (M) (The Moderate Party),
Kristdemokraterna (KD) (Christian Democrats)

Associate Members
Bulgaria
Демократическа партия (DP) (Democratic Party),
Съюз на демократичните сили (UDF) (Union of the Democratic Forces)
BNZS - Naroden Sajuz, (BANU)(People's Union)

Croatia
Hrvatska Demokratska Zajednica (HDZ) (Croatian Democratic Union)

Romania
Partidul National Taranesc Crestin Democrat (PNTCD) (National Peasant Christian Democratic Party),
Democratic Alliance of Hungarians in Romania (DAHR)

Switzerland
Christlichdemokratische Volkspartei (CVP) (Christian Democratic People's Party)
Evangelische Volkspartei (EVP) (Evangelical People's Party)


Observers

San Marino
Partito Democratico Cristiano Sammarinese

Ukraine
Наша Україна (Our Ukraine)

Serbia and Montenegro
Demokratska stranka Srbije (DSS) (Democratic Party of Serbia)
DemoHriscanska Stranka Srbije (DHSS) (Democratic Christian Party of Serbia)
G17 Plus

Turkey
Adalet ve Kalkİnma Partisi (AKP) (Justice and Development Party)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/European_Parliament_6th_term.png

It still doesnt change the fact that it's party has islamist roots, which Turks elected and according to Tekirs own reasoning that means Turkey consists of arabic speaking turks. And fact is fact they wanted to illegalize adultery, and its funny: they wanted a heavier punishment for women than for men...sounds islamist too me.

You can name their party whatever u want but as freedom said it has Islamic idologies unlike their secular military.

We dont have to play with names. For me Islamist means Islamic supporter therfore their party is Islamist or democratic Islamic party or whatever u call it.

Oh, fun!

You can name their party whatever u want but as freedom said it has Islamic idologies unlike their secular military.

We dont have to play with names. For me Islamist means Islamic supporter therfore their party is Islamist or democratic Islamic party or whatever u call it.

everybody free in Turkey, they can support whatever they want. This is what we call; democracy!!
but Turkish people have no fear about secularism of Turkey. thats why you can vote an Islamist party without fear. because this country have values, religious or non-religious all Turkish nation share same values, so democracy and secularism are the two most important value of our nation. no one can change general ideology of this country if Turkish people dont want!!

btw Turks voted for AKP not because of their thoughts but because of economics;) and we have lots of parties if we count all of them so this is meaning AKP didnt get majority of votes but they just get higher number of votes. majority of people mostly voted for secularist parties.

APK is a secular party as well.whether they like it or not they have to ;)

People tend to forget that Turkey is a muslim country but not an Islamic! Don't get confused with Islam in Turkey and Islam in Arabic countries or Iran.It's way too different than eachother.

^ There is one Islam whether u liked it or not. What is different is how people represent it and Islam in turkey is just a name.

you mean just a shame, right?

you mean just a shame, right?

suits better I guess :rofl:

We dont have to play with names. For me Islamist means Islamic supporter therfore their party is Islamist or democratic Islamic party or whatever u call it.

There is a huge difference between an Islamic and an Islamist party. As a Christian I could imagine to vote for an Islamic party (which means it promotes the values of Islam in a democratic way), but I could never vote for an Islamist party, since Islamists are intolerant towards other religions - just like Christian fundamentalists. Islamic or Christian democratic parties are good for a society, Islamists or Christian fundamentalist parties are very dangerous.

The AK might have had Islamist roots, however, nowadays it is definitely a democratic party that wants to protect the values of Islam in the Turkish society - just like any Christian democratic party strives to protects the values of Christianity in a society (e.g. Christlich Soziale Union in Bavaria). Since all Abrahamic religions are relatively similar, I dont care whether the roots of a conservative party is Islamic or Christian - at the end the basic values are the same. That's why the AK-party is probably becoming member of the European Conservative People's party as soon as Turkey becomes EU member.

Again it is important in a society that those people who have a conservative view on the world can form a party and influence the society peacefully.

For Turkey, it is a tremendous step to have an Islamic democratic party in power - again Turkey is a frontrunner for all Islamic countries with respect to their political system and power sharing. Unfortunately, in many other Islamic countries, either the more (1) conservative people are surpressed [e.g. Egypt] or the more liberal ones [e.g. Iran] (2) - often there is no real balance of power, which leads to hate towards the West (1) or to hate towards Islamists (2).

Thus, in any case, it is very important that each individual in a society has the right and opportunity to express her or his views.

i wont argue with you smussuw about this issue again but anyway we can freely practice our religioun without any coercion in my country. Thanks God we dont practice Arabic culture and your sultan's dogmas;) we are very free and secular about our religion, this is what Islam says;) i can understand you, you dont like our way of life because we Turkish muslims dont follow doctrines and taboos of your culture!!!

Why do u always put in ur scale and compare it with christianity?

There is no contradiction between Fundamental Islamisim and Democracy. It is only how some muslims implement Islam wrong.

I totally support that each individual in a society has the right and opportunity to express her or his views.

i wont argue with you smussuw about this issue again but anyway we can freely practice our religioun without any coercion in my country. Thanks God we dont practice Arabic culture and your sultan's dogmas;) we are very free and secular about our religion, this is what Islam says;) i can understand you, you dont like our way of life because we Turkish muslims dont follow doctrines and taboos of your culture!!!

I really dont know what r u talking about.
Sultan dogmas?
Arabic Culture?
Taboos?
Doctrines?

I dont know what do u mean by the Arabic Culture because as far as I know it is derived from the Islamic culture that u already embrace. If u dont like part of Islam that is ur choice. I wouldnt consider anything even if it was practiced here as part of the Arabic or Islamic culture if it contradict Islam.

Having a freedom of choice is part of Islam so I really dont know what does that have to do with the subject. If u want to be secualr fine because no one is forcing u not to be so.

It isnt Arabs vs Turks vs Persians vs Pakistani. I dont know why some are really obssesed in comparing? We arent rivals. Why do turks always act as if they are being moniterd by arabs? What ur saying is like arabs having nothing to do but bash turkey which is far from the turth. I've always had this bright picture about turkey but people here are really ruining it.

I prefer to be called muslim because it suits me better. ;)

Why do u always put in ur scale and compare it with christianity?

There is no contradiction between Fundamental Islamisim and Democracy. It is only how some muslims implement Islam wrong.

I totally support that each individual in a society has the right and opportunity to express her or his views.

Why can't I compare Islam with Christianity? If you had read both the Bible and the Koran, you would know how strikingly similar our religions are. The differences that exist are just adaptations to the environment and the local needs. Thats why all those religious wars, conflicts and even discussions are just ridiculous! God hates all of those!

Anyway, you have to seperate Fundamental Islam from Fundamentalist Islam. Fundamental or "original" Islam is probably something good - as would be fundamental Christianity. However, fundamentalist Islam or Christianity seeks to impose Islam or Christianity with force on individuals. That would not be compatible with democracy and any society should defend itself against those movements.

Last but not least, I hope that in the Arab countries Islamic (not Islamist) parties will come to power, parties that are really interested in the well being of its citizen as well as in the FUNDAMENTAL values that are taught in the Koran, instead of picking only specific rules that provide power and wealth only to the clerics. In history and still today, too many clerics - whether Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu or Jew - use religion to acquire power by picking only a few rules from the holy books that (without the other values) justify their absolute power, instead of COMPREHENSIVELY and ACTIVELY living and teaching everything what the holy books say. That would please god, indeed - but it seems that humanity has still miles to go until it reaches that point of wisdom.

There is no contradiction between Fundamental Islamisim and Democracy. It is only how some muslims implement Islam wrong.

I'd rather state most societies implement their government wrong. Even democracy is totalitarian and oppressive when the three branches of government aren't properly seperated. With a well-defined and limited government no single religion, thought or lifestyle can cause any harm.

i dont understand, why do some people want to be nude in public? i mean how can a father see her 18 year old daughter naked? and vise verca, would sons want their moms running around naked?

My mom and sisters have always been topless at beaches. Never bothered me. If as a father you'd see your daughter, 18, in any different way just because she's naked, then I'd say you're the one with a problem.

My mom and sisters have always been topless at beaches. Never bothered me. If as a father you'd see your daughter, 18, in any different way just because she's naked, then I'd say you're the one with a problem.

hahahahahahahhah :bash: that is just wrong dude, seeing you mom and sister naked, and what if there are rapists on the beach and they wana rape your mom and sis? dont you think that is dangerous

Well in our society people dont just rape women. May be you have a problem in the society where you are from? Women should not be touched by strangers - even if they are nude - that should be a clear rule in any society. At least in my country - Germany - the majority of the people still have moral guidelines!

Despite that I dont like nude beaches either, we have to accept the fact that some people feel happy when they are not covered by clothes (and that has nothing to do with sexuality or psychological problems). For them it is kind of a freedom feeling - not to be constrained by shame and guilt feelings, just because they are naked. Anyway, that is their way of life - and a free society should accept that.

Therefore, I believe its a good solution to assign special beaches for those people so that people like me are not offended, but that those people - who like to be without clothes - have the right to live the way they like.

LONG LIVE FREEDOM ON OUR PLANET - and I am happy that I am a member of a free society!

yes i have seen people just raping women, here in the western world the rape rate is much higher of those in the middle eastern countries. i guess those women who go in public naked or half dressed want to get raped intheir dirty minds

WRONG - the actual rape rate is a lot lower in the West than in the Middle East. Just, "officially" it is higher because here in the West each and every rape gets reported, because our proud and self confident women stand up against mistreatment.

In the Middle East almost none of the rapes get reported, because the women are constantly intimidated. Officially there are almost no rapes in your society - and you even believe in that! However, in the West we know very well that in some countries like Afghanistan or Pakistan, it is even a part of the local traditional legal system to gang-rape women whose brothers have had an affair (or are just believed to have had an affair) - and that is just the tipping point of a society that constantly mistreats its women morally, sexually and psychologically. DISGUSTING!

And you yourself have a VERY DIRTY MIND if you believe that women who are half dressed want to get raped. How insensitive is it to think about women like that - you PIG! Did you parents tell you to think about women like that? That is disgusting. I am offended - your words are worse than any nude people on the beach. :puke:

Again - thanks god - I am a German citizen and I can live in a free and tolerant society. :)

@kong: Obviously I do not want my mother or sister raped, but in a civilised world being topless at a beach does not increase that risk. If you truly believe that a woman who shows some skin the way she dresses "wants to get raped", then you're scum by western standards.

Nudity is not consent and I am deeply offended that you have implied that my mother and sister wanted to get raped and maybe even that if it happened they deserved it and that such an act would have been justified.

Well in our society people dont just rape women. May be you have a problem in the society where you are from? Women should not be touched by strangers - even if they are nude - that should be a clear rule in any society. At least in my country - Germany - the majority of the people still have moral guidelines!

Despite that I dont like nude beaches either, we have to accept the fact that some people feel happy when they are not covered by clothes (and that has nothing to do with sexuality or psychological problems). For them it is kind of a freedom feeling - not to be constrained by shame and guilt feelings, just because they are naked. Anyway, that is their way of life - and a free society should accept that.

Therefore, I believe its a good solution to assign special beaches for those people so that people like me are not offended, but that those people - who like to be without clothes - have the right to live the way they like.

LONG LIVE FREEDOM ON OUR PLANET - and I am happy that I am a member of a free society!

There are things in life more important than getting nude !

Do we need it? can't we live without it?

does it bring any satisfaction? why? are there any studies about this issue???

What do people feel when they watch naked person? they will feel attracted sextualy, few will go head and rape? yes this could happen, unlike if properly dressed.

I don't find your comments of any importance !

I thought this was about buildings and other great things. How the hell did you let this turn into such a stupid topic?

A "nude city project" in Iran is bound to cause a heated discussion, as it's a controversial nature. To respond to Moody, happiness is a very subjective matter which is precisely why people should find their individual happiness and not be strictly limited to scientifically proven methods. If nudity bothers you, just don't visit this project/city and everyone is happy. :)

A "nude city project" in Iran is bound to cause a heated discussion, as it's a controversial nature. To respond to Moody, happiness is a very subjective matter which is precisely why people should find their individual happiness and not be strictly limited to scientifically proven methods. If nudity bothers you, just don't visit this project/city and everyone is happy. :)

No one will, this project wouldn't exist because Iran is an Islamic Republic and will not allow such a sick thing in. and so the rest of the Islamic world, we live a decent life, where our families, children are required to dress properly.

Does anybody here want to see his mother, brother, sister naked? how much more sick could this be???? its is dissgusting..huh:(

You are confusing a desire to see relatives naked with giving them freedom to be if they desire it themselves. Naturalists are a minority group though, topless sunbathing is probably a better analogy when it comes to common values and widespread cultural behaviour. As I do not seek authority over my relatives or other human beings, they do not need my permission if they wish to get a tan without a bikini line.

There is a serious cultural gap here, many people in the west consider the amount of control being exercised in the Middle East as "sick" as well. I suppose it's the on-going struggle between individual social rights and conformity to social values.

You are confusing a desire to see relatives naked with giving them freedom to be if they desire it themselves. Naturalists are a minority group though, topless sunbathing is probably a better analogy when it comes to common values and widespread cultural behaviour. As I do not seek authority over my relatives or other human beings, they do not need my permission if they wish to get a tan without a bikini line.

There is a serious cultural gap here, many people in the west consider the amount of control being exercised in the Middle East as "sick" as well. I suppose it's the on-going struggle between individual social rights and conformity to social values.

Control exercised? this is not correct...

It's just the way people want to live, their own freedom they want a decent life ! and its the majority who demand it, i will take good stuff from the whole world, not only the west as you mentioned, not the bad habbits.

If it's a majority demand then it's not individual freedom. If a minority group is not allowed to build such a project offshore, they can't live the way they want to.

If it's a majority demand then it's not individual freedom. If a minority group is not allowed to build such a project offshore, they can't live the way they want to.


They are still free to travel to countries already have these facilities. Supply and Demand, and whats demand? wellingness and ability to afford a good or service ...

It's just the way people want to live, their own freedom they want a decent life ! and its the majority who demand it, i will take good stuff from the whole world, not only the west as you mentioned, not the bad habbits.


Stop speaking on behalf of others, You cant speak for the middle east as whole ;)

Let people be free to do what they want! :bash:

Stop speaking on behalf of others, You cant speak for the middle east as whole ;)

Let people be free to do what they want! :bash:


See, these are facts..

Majority in Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi, Oman, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Yemen are muslims.

Proof me wrong now, are the majority of people in these countries requesting such a thing nudity and stuff in public, i say big NO..........

And about Iran, the people of your country brought an Islamic country to birth, so i will not seek their opinion as they have said it lately by electing Ahmadi Nejad as president,

See, these are facts..

Majority in Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi, Oman, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Yemen are muslims.

Proof me wrong now, are the majority of people in these countries requesting such a thing nudity and stuff in public, i say big NO..........

And about Iran, the people of your country brought an Islamic country to birth, so i will not seek their opinion as they have said it lately by electing Ahmadi Nejad as president,


Yeah yeah, i dont have neither the time nor the lust to discuss youre typical arab thinking about Iran, neither the way you compare Iran with arab countries (You have seen Iranian women havent you? ;) ).

You can think what you want and i dont care anymore, time willl proove you wrong.

But please let me enlighten you on this: A nude city is being built FOR ARMENIANS (not for you or me) by Armenians? WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT ARMENIANS? Besides if you read Cyrus first post you'll see that it isnt really a nude city.

Stop speaking on behalf of others, You cant speak for the middle east as whole ;)

Let people be free to do what they want! :bash:


yes if people want to kill, let them kill

yes if people want to rape, yes let them rape :bash:

stop being stupid, freedom is good, up until it brings harm to society.

I don't give a shit to what is built anywhere...

I just wanted others to stop lecturing us on ways to accept the unacceptable...

And I didn't sasy anything wrong about your country, I consider Iranians as best friends.. so you may remove the idea that we hate you people up there.. friends?

I really dont know what r u talking about.
Sultan dogmas?
Arabic Culture?
Taboos?
Doctrines?

I dont know what do u mean by the Arabic Culture because as far as I know it is derived from the Islamic culture that u already embrace. If u dont like part of Islam that is ur choice. I wouldnt consider anything even if it was practiced here as part of the Arabic or Islamic culture if it contradict Islam.

Having a freedom of choice is part of Islam so I really dont know what does that have to do with the subject. If u want to be secualr fine because no one is forcing u not to be so.

It isnt Arabs vs Turks vs Persians vs Pakistani. I dont know why some are really obssesed in comparing? We arent rivals. Why do turks always act as if they are being moniterd by arabs? What ur saying is like arabs having nothing to do but bash turkey which is far from the turth. I've always had this bright picture about turkey but people here are really ruining it.

I prefer to be called muslim because it suits me better. ;)


Or maybe cause pan arabism failed the arab world? ;)

Or maybe cause pan arabism failed the arab world? ;)

Please Re-write your sentence so I could understand it better.

Yeah yeah, i dont have neither the time nor the lust to discuss youre typical arab thinking about Iran, neither the way you compare Iran with arab countries (You have seen Iranian women havent you? ;) ).

You can think what you want and i dont care anymore, time willl proove you wrong.

But please let me enlighten you on this: A nude city is being built FOR ARMENIANS (not for you or me) by Armenians? WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT ARMENIANS? Besides if you read Cyrus first post you'll see that it isnt really a nude city.

i dont have neither the time nor the lust to discuss youre typical arab thinking about Iran

Neither do I have the time to discuss with you nor the mood to do that, but please have some respect once you are referring to "Arab."

The funny thing is that,

at the time 'freedom' asked me to stop talking in general on behalf of people, 'freedom' generalized when said 'typical arab thinking'..

Freedom, you are contradicting yourself, right friend?

The funny thing is that,

at the time 'freedom' asked me to stop talking in general on behalf of people, 'freedom' generalized when said 'typical arab thinking'..

Freedom, you are contradicting yourself, right friend?


You see earlier, i was stupid to think that by conversation we could all reach a better understanding, but obviously i was wrong. this bias is to deep for me to do anything about. so frankly i dont care anymore.

Please Re-write your sentence so I could understand it better.

What's not to understand in post #85? :)

You see earlier, i was stupid to think that by conversation we could all reach a better understanding, but obviously i was wrong. this bias is to deep for me to do anything about. so frankly i dont care anymore.

!#?!#???!!!

I wish too, that we could all reach a good understanding !

I cant belive tihs s**t is happening in an Islamic republic. Why cant these armenians get the f**ck out. Im not an Iranians but I am a muslim, what I want to know is arent you guys are run by hardline Islamist which you recently put into power. Surely they wont allow this.

Why cant these armenians get the f**ck out.

Because they are Iranian.



Mods:
As for this thread its time to lock :lock: lock :lock: lock :lock:

i think its time to get back to the main thread

#PROJECT: Nude City in Islamic Republic of Iran (Forbidden For Muslims)

whats the porpuse of this city?

and what are the layout of it?

sounds weird and strange and stupid at the same time, why is it Forbidden for Muslims?!!
muslims can be naked in europe, why cant they be naked in Iran since it will allow other iranians to be naked ! talking about freedom ! :bash:

I cant belive tihs s**t is happening in an Islamic republic. Why cant these armenians get the f**ck out. Im not an Iranians but I am a muslim, what I want to know is arent you guys are run by hardline Islamist which you recently put into power. Surely they wont allow this.

Fucking idiot. Go die.

I cant belive tihs s**t is happening in an Islamic republic. Why cant these armenians get the f**ck out. Im not an Iranians but I am a muslim, what I want to know is arent you guys are run by hardline Islamist which you recently put into power. Surely they wont allow this.

Because they try to be modern.

i guess armenians want their moms and sisters to be naked in the public. it must turn them on. lol hahahahahahahahah

Did I understand it correctly? If you see a nude woman in Iran you'll try to rape her?

Because they try to be modern.

Why do they try to be modern? cus Christians dont want to wear hejab they try to be modern??? :?

I can understand that you don't want other people to see your mom and sister naked(I wouldn't like it either) but if there are people who want other people to see it,do you think someone has the right to forbid it to these people?

well think of it in a non-religiouse point of veiw, being naked is considered and illegal in many non-religious countries in the world. i mean totally naked.

why?

because many shops and streets are considered a Public places and people from all ages are expected to be there which many will considere someone walking around fully naked as an offence or as an insult or whatever they may call it.

so its not about religion or freedom its about public and socity which includes people from different backgrounds and different ages.

but then almost all men will support that coz they want to see an attractive naked blond with big boobs. but when they will see an 80 years old woman naked they will call that discusting and disturbing she must be forced to put on something.

so if they are so happy about seeing young naked girls they should prepare to see old fat hairy naked men with big balls hanging and Old women with breast hanging till their knees.

Who you guys calling an idiot. In many european countries hijabs and saris are getting banned because its not part of their culture. So you saying being naked is part of your culture.

And anyway who said being naked is being modern.

Where are they banning hijabs? In all European capitals that I visited I saw lots of women with hijabs.

Being naked is not being modern, but accepting the needs of people that wish to be naked is being modern, even if it seems strange. I am not talking about public nudity which is unacceptable in a society (still, we don’t know what the future holds).

Maybe Im wrong and it is being modern. Aslong its away from muslims view it would not be a problem. Im sure your new government would not allow this.

OK it's time to admit it...

This thread is a JOKE! There is NO nude city being built in Iran, I made it up. Sorry i caused so much offence #joke


Please forgive me I have a very sick sense of humour joke (smiley face)

hahahahahahahah
LOL
U guys are all stupid.

hahahahahahahah
LOL
U guys are all stupid.

What's your problem "IRNFUTBOL"?

Why do you post so many insults?

IRNFUTBOL, i know that guy, i'll break his fingers if you want me to, then he wont be able to type insults.

^^ lol :D

ok, i did it. IRNFUTBOL wont be bothering us anymore....haha