Every other city has one, but Birmingham doesnt :( - I would if I could but Im about as rubbish on a computer as you can get - anybody want to give it a go? A day time Picture woudl be the best.

someone post a skyline shot and we'll av a try....though a skyline shot pref from edgebaston area!

nah the best place to view rg brum skyline is on the road between the birmingham ground and big w trust me it look sawesome from there

i accept but arean central and tramps tower are on the other side of the hill and so will not be overly prominant from ther!

i accept but arean central and tramps tower are on the other side of the hill and so will not be overly prominant from ther!
Arena Central won't be overly prominent ever at this rate... :rofl:

yeah but arena central aint gonna ever be built!!

well if arena central aint gonna get built, what on earth makes you think this new broad street tower is ??? the entire reason this thing has been built is in competition with AC....NO AC, No Competition..........

well if arena central aint gonna get built, what on earth makes you think this new broad street tower is ??? the entire reason this thing has been built is in competition with AC....NO AC, No Competition..........
No, the only reason it's there is because the developers think they can make a profit. No profit, no tower. You honestly think a developer is going to build a tower solely to compete with a tower that's been floating around since half of us were in short pants? :laugh:

fot the first time ever i agree with your earlybird, AC aint gonna happen and even if it does it aint gonna be anything spactacular

i have spoken to a number of people behind it. they were planning a tower, they ahd finallised it at 19 storeys and were preparing it for planning. then however, a bloke who was a relation to andy ruhan joined the joint venture for the richardson tower. from that point on the tower rose and rose.......... the only reason that we have a 38 storey tower now is pure sibbling rivalry ....and im loving it........cant wait to see what miller releases now in their masterplan in response!!!!!1

fot the first time ever i agree with your earlybird, AC aint gonna happen and even if it does it aint gonna be anything spactacular

ye of such little faith....... are none of you reading any signes at all????

look woodhouse i believe you but untill i go past the site a see a crane there, i'm gona be a sceptic

when is this so called masterplan gonna be released???????

this summer sometime!

.....ask EK, the one with all the links in miller!

i have spoken to a number of people behind it. they were planning a tower, they ahd finallised it at 19 storeys and were preparing it for planning. then however, a bloke who was a relation to andy ruhan joined the joint venture for the richardson tower. from that point on the tower rose and rose.......... the only reason that we have a 38 storey tower now is pure sibbling rivalry ....and im loving it........cant wait to see what miller releases now in their masterplan in response!!!!!1
So basically what you're saying is that AC has been absolutely massacred and is now a mere 120m or so? As I said, Arena Central will never be built, at least not what everyone thinks of as Arena Central, i.e. a landmark tower. You might get a 120m midrise though. :)

AC will be taller then all current proposals for Birmingham - Fact. If it wasnt going to be, they would've saved alot of time and built something years ago.

Pirlo, dont trust Earlybird, he has limited knowledge of the city and the capabilites of the area.

Its good to hear however that it rose from 19 storeys to 38 storeys. Even if AC is only 38 storeys it will still be a 150m tower due to it being mainly offices and retail.

Expect to see AC masterplan by the end of September at the latest.

AC will be residential...not office!

So basically what you're saying is that AC has been absolutely massacred and is now a mere 120m or so? As I said, Arena Central will never be built, at least not what everyone thinks of as Arena Central, i.e. a landmark tower. You might get a 120m midrise though. :)

Nobody knows EarlyBird. Three 120m towers is better than none, and midrise is relative when you consider the tallest occupied floorplates were previously 100m up.

as long as we get one 160+ metre tower i rekon everyone on here will be happy,

AC will be residential...not office!

AC will be mixed - Office included

AC will be mixed - Office included

Last I heard was that they ditched both offices and hotels and whatever tower they build there will be purely residential.

Birmingham culture....NO, the Arena Central Tower will not contain offices and will be purely residential. the Arena Central scheme itself is i accpt mixed and will contain substancial office elements but the tower itself will not

Umm, Ok - a purely 130m+ residential tower however will result into over 300-600 apartments - it seems way, way to many. It cant be purely residential. It makes no sense.

Okay, lets say you have 40 floors not including ground floor, minus a couple of floors for services, with - say - six apartments per floor, sling in a couple more floors with a modicium of commercial space, maybe a gym for the residents, perhaps a restaurant or bar or some such, and the top three floors accomodates 4 big triplex apartments. You've got yourself a grand total of 202 apartments. Not that many really. Hell, go all the way to fifty floors and you're looking at 252 apartments.

someone post a skyline shot and we'll av a try....though a skyline shot pref from edgebaston area!

Cant really find top draw daytime shots unfortunately. Can you add what you can to these however.

http://www.virtualbrum.co.uk/images/skyline/may2005.jpg

http://www.virtualbrum.co.uk/images/skyline/kingston0505.jpg

Okay, lets say you have 40 floors not including ground floor, minus a couple of floors for services, with - say - six apartments per floor, sling in a couple more floors with a modicium of commercial space, maybe a gym for the residents, perhaps a restaurant or bar or some such, and the top three floors accomodates 4 big triplex apartments. You've got yourself a grand total of 202 apartments. Not that many really. Hell, go all the way to fifty floors and you're looking at 252 apartments.

Umm - 202 apartments is a minimum, I really do believe AC will house more then just flats.

Umm - 202 apartments is a minimum, I really do believe AC will house more then just flats.

Okay, that is presuming a very slender tower with minimal floorplates. We'll have to wait and see my friend.

well on both of those pics, the new broad street tower wouldnt be visable!

well on both of those pics, the new broad street tower wouldnt be visable!

I know, but the other towers in the city would be ;) :cheers:

I have no camara so I cant take any shots from Edgbaston.

Its Crazy how in those pics Bt is much bigger then Hct in the first. But its the opposite in the second.

Actually - in both those above pics, HCT doesn't even seem to be as high as 400 feet - as most of us were being led to believe. I have this feeling that it's probably just a tad short - something like 390 feet to roof height. Bummer. :(

well ive seen the very planning aplications numerous times. the developers were very keen to breakl the 400ft mark!

well ive seen the very planning aplications numerous times. the developers were very keen to breakl the 400ft mark!



In that case, do you know what the EXACT height of it is then? (I say this cos for years we were led to believe that Manchester's CIS tower was exactly 400 feet high when in actual fact it stands 387.5 feet to the very top of the highest service tower/flue, likewise 1 Canada Square [Canary Wharf] was always quoted as 800 feet when it is actually 777ft [+/- 5 feet] to the top of the beacon on the pyramid.)

There seems to have been a lot of ambiguity about Beetham HCT being anything between 120 and 131 metres in height and I do know we have endlessly speculated about this on the forums .......but I think we need an exact/accurate height statistic now that it's all but topped out.

Anyone?

well when i say the planning application, the tower was 38 storeys and was proposed at 121.5m.....witht he allowance being given for the tower to rise to 123m incase of miss calculation (this is meant ti be standard in buildings on this scale)....however, im sure its 39 storeys tall now???!?!?!?!?!?

as long as we get one 160+ metre tower i rekon everyone on here will be happy,

Sorry m8, it ain't gonna happen cuz of the fucked up CAA restrictions!

Why don't you guys try using the pics on this thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=216476&page=1 ?

Sorry m8, it ain't gonna happen cuz of the fucked up CAA restrictions!

Why don't you guys try using the pics on this thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=216476&page=1 ?

The CAA restrictions are bull, and could be broken if wanted to - If you look closely enough the restriction was 120m - well what size is HCT? what size is BST? ummm ... Broken twice since 9/11. Not to mention BST on its hill would act as a 150m+ scraper anyway.

excatly it CAN be broken all it needs is someone with thw will and balls to build a 160m+tower. if no on one does then all we'll have is loads of 130m towers, which would'nt be bad but lets be honest we all want one bastard to be taller

With the paradise circus redevlopment (2, 110-120m rumoured - nothing happening for a while however and might never happen) but still ...

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2416/may2005paradise4bn.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5296/may2005paradiseinvertcolours8r.jpg

lol! birminghamculture = i like! :) cheeky stealing riverside south!

It's good that there is something filling the gap between the BT tower and HCT. But I wish the rumored towers wouldn't be so damn close to HCT. Kinda detracts from it...

i think thats just the angle of the pic. from other places there will be a fair gap between.
Good work BC, can i just point out that the 'Cube' @ the mailbox would be only just in view left of the Hyatt. and post & mail will have long bit the dust

Good work Brumculture, but personally I would prefer to see simple colourless blocks showing the height and positioning of these new buildings rather than various renderings from all over the country. If you are using paint it is much much easier and quicker to just draw on buildings than it is to chop up renders and paste sky in the gaps.

The CAA restrictions are bull, and could be broken if wanted to - If you look closely enough the restriction was 120m - well what size is HCT? what size is BST? ummm ... Broken twice since 9/11. Not to mention BST on its hill would act as a 150m+ scraper anyway.

Well not really. The CAA does not have a blanket limit of exactly 120m over the city centre, that would make no sense considering how much the land rises and falls. I'm sure that HCT is built to the maximum it can be for it's plot without CAA having the authority to intervene, 122m. How many metres higher than HCT is the BST site anyone? I wouldn't say the CAA limit has been 'broken' at all unfourtunately.

BC nice to see the colours of the Rotunda and Cube renders used in your views of Brum, it adds a bit more interest and realism to the overall schematic you have created IMO.

The CAA ruling was for a height above sea level so if a building is built in a valley then it can be taller than one built on top of a hill.

BUT - they do not apply! It is down to the discretion of the local airport isn't it???

Also - I have done a paint job as caw suggested but cannot host - is there any other way I can get it posted?

The CAA ruling was for a height above sea level so if a building is built in a valley then it can be taller than one built on top of a hill.

BUT - they do not apply! It is down to the discretion of the local airport isn't it???

Also - I have done a paint job as caw suggested but cannot host - is there any other way I can get it posted?

The best and very easy :cheers1:
http://imageshack.us/

www.photobucket.com is use

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7765/skylinenumbers8ga.jpg

Looks on the money, with exception of AC which looks about 220 metres tall there - oh if only :)

if only, i know

Looks on the money, with exception of AC which looks about 220 metres tall there - oh if only :)

Yeh I just noticed that - I think I got carried away :hahaha:

It's a good 'un though - your annotated comparison! :yes:

lol! birminghamculture = i like! :) cheeky stealing riverside south!


Well, he stole my Paradise Circus towers too! :D :lol:

Thanks for that BC, it'll be something i'll look forward too.

I'm bumping this thread not only because I'd love to see updated future skyline but also on the 2nd page there was a render with some towers that look like the propsed talls in leeds n I have no idea what they are n also a few more which I don't know of.

^^Do you mean this one?

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2416/may2005paradise4bn.jpg

You're right about it looking like towers proposed in Leeds because I think a couple of Leeds proposals were used to help make it.

I'll go through all the new towers on there for you (from the left).

1. The Cube (now finished)
2. Arena Central (scrapped)
3. Orion Building (finished)
4. Paradise Circus towers (were just a rumour)
5. In front of the BT Tower - Looks like the original NatWest Tower replacement but looks to be in the wrong place... (replaced with 103 Colmore Row proposal)
6. Next to the BT Tower - Rough Diamond (this is probably the Leeds proposals you meant - this was just a vision, so it was never a serious proposal by a developer)
7. The Rotunda (finished)
8. Martineau Galleries or Snow Hill, can't quite work it out...
9. Looks like the early Post & Mail replacement proposals but they're in the wrong place, and have since been scrapped and replaced with Colmore Plaza.

im on the case josh. any particular skyline photo (good res) or other that you would like done? - (really want to do one for my portfolio and to show for potential jobs).

im on the case josh. any particular skyline photo (good res) or other that you would like done? - (really want to do one for my portfolio and to show for potential jobs).

Any view really, maybe a view from the spaghetti junction? :)


Tar erebuss :)

I'm really excited for this :D

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h86/a_walshy/architecture/5-3.jpg

That's good but it hasn't got everything n HCT is nowere to be seen lol