I remember somewhere I saw that there will be a future MRT line called the "Arts Centre Line". In a diagram (I forgot where), they showed the line running across the breath of the Convention Centre/Esplanade Circle Line station, along Nicoll Highway. The original Nicoll Highway station was a stacked configuration with 4 platforms. Could this have been a possible interchange for the Circle line with the Arts Centre Line?

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/ccl1_convention_map.gif

If you look carefully at the map, the line is perpendicular to the station, cutting across the centre of it on the left side of Nicoll Highway. It is faintly marked as "Future Arts Centre Line". Any ideas where this might go and how it links up?

I once saw a reserve plot for future undersea LRT line crossing Marina Bay... :runaway:

if it went straight on wouldnt it link up to Nicoll Highway station?

if it went straight on wouldnt it link up to Nicoll Highway station?
That's what I thought. And I remember reading somewhere that the old site for the station had extra platforms and tunnels to be an interchange station. But the at the new site, these won't be built at all. So I'm not sure if the plans have changed.

That's what I thought. And I remember reading somewhere that the old site for the station had extra platforms and tunnels to be an interchange station. But the at the new site, these won't be built at all. So I'm not sure if the plans have changed.

Yes, the original Nicoll Highway station has stacked tunnels with 2 platforms on each level, but sadly they will not be put in use at all. Future MRT lines will not be built under Nicoll Highway.

Yes, the original Nicoll Highway station has stacked tunnels with 2 platforms on each level, but sadly they will not be put in use at all. Future MRT lines will not be built under Nicoll Highway.
I read somehwere that the old Nicoll Highway station had provisions for a future line. AT the new station, however, there will NOT be provisions for a Raffles Place/City Hall styled interchange. The project manager or something said that the line, if built, will have to interchange without the provisions but alteratiosn will be made (ala, Outram Park, Dhoby Ghaut, Paya Lebar, etc).

i hope i dont sound stupid here, but could it possibly be an aboveground light/mono-rail?

i hope i dont sound stupid here, but could it possibly be an aboveground light/mono-rail?
Possible. But would they build one in front of the War Memorial Park is the question. I wonder if the ACL (Arts Centre Line) will interchange at Esplanade (Convention Centre) station even, cause looking at the drawing (if showing possible tunnel route), looks like there isn't space for platform in the middle. Heh, may be side platform after all...

Underground LRT?

Underground LRT?
Why didn't I think of that? But is an underground LRT cost effective?

^

I'm no expert on this...but for a limited number of stops for an underground LRT sounds a bit miserable, especially if in that area :D

Old thread.. But now that Esplanade station has been in operation for a while, I know some of you may still be wondering if provisions have been made for this Arts Centre Line at the CCL station. I too find it strange that the concourse level is divided into two, and that the four-way underpass a little nearer to the Concert Hall does indeed seem like an MRT station concourse. (As mentioned in the Phantom stations thread.)

Any thoughts of where this previously-planned line could go, and if it is still possible that they may have modified their original plans by perhaps integrating it into a new future line?

The consensus seems to be that this was part of the then Thomson Line going through Nicoll Highway, Lavender, Farrer Park, Novena and onward to Woodlands.

I see.. Cool. So now that Thomson line has shifted quite drastically from its original alignment, perhaps another future line might take over its original southern stretch?

Arts Central Line, by looking at the name, I expect the line to be revolved around places with cultural / historical heritage values.

Lets assume that Esplanade is a Chinatown station (According to some, DTL1/3 of Chinatown's Expo bound platform is done before the NEL station even opens).

If that is the case, then most likely the line starts from Redhill going through Keppel (But not so "CCL6") and somehow uses Shenton Way / Boat Quay / Change Alley (Closed since) and have a station opposite Fullerton Hotel (Possible or not?) as well due to the only 6 star hotel in SG (If I am not wrong).

Somehow, this line from Esplanade after Fullerton Hotel will go to Nicoll Highway if the line goes straight (Thanks to that incident, but there is a chance that NCW's provision was for present DTL2 / the then Bukit Timah Line - More analysis later), or Promenade which defeats the purpose and turns to Kampong Glam, going towards Lavender and Farrer Park before somehow turns towards Novena area and goes to Scotts Road (Stevens?) / Tanglin area and returns the line to Redhill from it?

Notice: It is purely personal opinion with possibly some factual errors as I did not refer on Street Directory and Concept Plan 2001. Even if I did, the details is so squeezy to be followed and things might have changed since.

Regarding previous mentioned on NCW is the original plan for a future line, that is because the sector between Promenade to Downtown - Chinatown is meant to be part of CCL extension (And according to the history of it, CCL, the then Marina Line without present CCL2 - 5 was planned to have 2 branches and Promenade was supposed to be an interchange out of it. However, that sector of Bayfront, Downtown is simply undeveloped at all and Marina Bay back then was not a development focus and therefore render such line as impractical that leads to its truncation.). Therefore, NCW is planned to be a terminus of the then Bukit Timah Line (BTL), without ruling out the possibility that the present unused platform of Promenade did lead to the old Nicoll Highway future line (BTL) platform and form a BTL that starts from Chinatown using present DTL1 and the opposite of present CC4's CCL platform (Instead of the deepest one as reported recently) and links to NCW.

From NCW, most likely as the curve degree is involved, I would expect the line NOT to interchange with Bugis, but Lavender with a possible station in Kampong Glam, from there, it goes Kitchener station and Farrer Park "Interchange" (Which might be a reason why it has most exits, given that Little India brother does not get similar treatment despite.....) and being "parallel" to present DTL2 Little India - Newton (Before Newton Circus) sector (Which means being under the CTE towards the North, but not the junction from Bukit Timah Road, dunno what is the area called) and definitely interchange with Newton (Station alignment may changed) and follows present DTL2.
(Quite similar to what I have underlined italics previously)

I agree that part of this suggested line might be the then Thomson Line (Farrer Park - Lavender - NCW or whatever), and if that is the case, then Arts Central Line may actually stretches from NCW (Without provision, since that provision is more likely to be BTL) to Geylang area, interchange with Aljunied, Woodleigh (Using Upper Aljunied Road, Braddell Road), Toa Payoh and even Stevens and somehow goes back to Redhill etc.

^^ Constructive "advice" here: I think you should just stick to simple sentences (type as if you're speaking) rather than trying to sound professional or something like that.

In general, I disagree with samuel_1991.

With the Arts Centre Line, this is a perfect and possibly the last opportunity for LTA to string a line through the busy Marina Centre-City Hall area. The last thing LTA would want is a minor, unimportant line to serve the area - I'd think that the route would be perfect for the Seletar Line on its way through Keppel and maybe Sentosa.

Marina Centre - City Hall, isnt Marina Centre the Esplanade and both stations is so close that adding an line to it, even LRT, defeat the underground shopping mall's purpose?

I dont sound professional purposely but I think and plot the line as I typed.

Double Post, the page did not refresh. Apologies for that

A little off topic.. Nicoll Highway's code is NCH as seen in documents, just a heads up. And yes, DTL box was present during NEL construction - confirmed by sgmrtbuilder who worked on the project. In any case, the current provisions for the ACL will foresee some modifications to the existing plan. Otherwise, Esplanade station will be a MacPherson-type interchange I suppose with the side platforms a level above the island ones instead of below.

ya sia. i kept reading NCW and i was like, WTF haha. can you imagine a station code being WTF? Like if Bayfront was called Waterfront? HAHAHAH

Marina Centre - City Hall, isnt Marina Centre the Esplanade and both stations is so close that adding an line to it, even LRT, defeat the underground shopping mall's purpose?
So, what's the purpose of an underground shopping mall? Is it merely to provide an underground passageway with retail along its entire course or is it actually a small-sized mall, just underground?

It's both. What the many train stations offer is choice for the shoppers. I can start my shopping trip at City Hall (Raffles City) then walk through Esplanade Xchange or Citylink Mall to South Beach, Marina Square or Suntec City, then instead of walking back to City Hall for my journey home, I can board the train at Promenade or Esplanade.

The more I think about it, the more the four-way underpass next to Theatres on the Bay resembles an MRT station concourse. (I wouldn't have imagined it without having read this forum first though.) But I do remember wondering what that big space was when it first opened. Even the underpass entrances resemble MRT station exits. (Or it could have been an underground LRT.)

Since Esplanade station opened last year, there have been many comments about how the station isn't actually at the Theatre as its name implies. Also, it was originally named Convention Centre. Perhaps this "Arts Centre station" could have been the original Esplanade station - with a direct link to the Theatre.

The entire area stretching from City Hall, Espalanade, Promenade and other possible future stations along this Arts Centre Line can be part of a connection+shopping network like this one.

http://walk.osaka-chikagai.jp/floor_guide/?floor=2
FYI, if you can't read Japanese, the areas with the large yellow boxes are the subway stations

Esplanade Park came way before the theater did. Technically, LTA can also say that the station was named as such. So... people are dumb.

^^ Again, you can't expect people to not make an association when they have no idea that there is an Esplanade Park. If so, why not name the station Esplanade Park then? But anyways, not gonna go into this whole Esplanade name thing again.

Seeing how future lines are either 3 or 4 cars long, I'm not sure if it would reach all the way to the underpass. I just think it was built extra-large for ease of construction and navigation.

To be honest, I don't see what's the big deal with the name "Esplanade" - both the park and the theatre are in the vicinity, it's not like you can't see it from the station. It's just the layout of Citylink Mall that makes it seem far.

Anyway, I get the feeling the government is trying to associate the name "Esplanade" with the area rather than naming it as an homage to the park or the theatres: it's very apparent in the Chinese name of the station, which is translated as "Marina Centre".

You know, honestly, I like the name esplanade. and I'm sick of everything being called Marina this, Marina that. I get that. Marinabei lah. hahahah

Esplanade is a nice name. Is it far? No. Is it a little confusing?. Maybe. But people don't need to have their panties in a bunch. And Levin (Ddes) is right. The citylink mall makes it seem like its far away.

Um, what's NCW?

^^ Nicoll Highway...

^^ Nicoll Highway...

lol.. why don't they call it NHW or even NCH? :nuts:

Um, what's NCW?

^^ Nicoll Highway...
In summary.... Samuel1991 mentioned NCW as Nicoll Highway though the correct abbreviation is NCH. There was a short discussion on the correct abbreviation. Posts need to be looked at together collectively otherwise on their own they would not make sense. The answer was just a few posts earlier really.

lol.. why don't they call it NHW or even NCH? :nuts:
It is... NCH. I suggest you look at page 1 to understand the convo really.

Sorry, I was too tired after almost 11 hours of work yesterday...

Bad for inexperienced people like me. :lol:

Na, its not your fault. :) You were just helping redstone to understand. :) Hopefully the erronous NCW thing is cleared up.

I think this was supposed to be the original downtown route of the Thomson Line, stopping at Nicoll Highway (which I think was going to be enabled for CCL/TSL cross-platform transfers) and then carrying on along Lavender Street, Balestier Road, and Thomson Road, intersecting the NEL at Farrer Park and the NSL at Novena and carrying on northward on the rest of the northern section. Of course, the Nicoll Highway Collapse destroyed this plan.

I suppose this line will be unlikely to be built now, but if it ever is, this is a possible route I've planned to avoid the Nicoll Highway site. I see this line as an extension of the Seletar Line from the CTE/Balestier interchange, running down Balestier Road, Lavender Street, Beach Road, and Nicoll Highway (not the collapse site; the section after the Nicoll/Middle intersection), before crossing the actual bay to reach Marina Bay.

Moulmein - Seletar Line
McNair Road
Jalan Besar - Downtown Line
Lavender - East-West Line
Beach Road
Rochor/Beach (area near Raffles Hospital)
Esplanade - Circle Line
Downtown - Downtown Line
Marina Bay - North-South Line, Circle Line, Thomson Line
Marina Green
Marina Barrage

so what is likely to be a next line that can serve the Balestier and Lavender areas? Seletar?

Seletar will only be able to serve Whompoa and Jalan Bahagia area, which is just as well because it is the only area along Balestier Road where there is a concentration of HDB flats.