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wjfox
July 27th, 2005, 08:50 PM
Is this how we want London to look?
Rowan Moore, 26 July 2005

SOMETIMES politicians make decisions that seem so remote from reason or common sense as to leave ordinary citizens asking, in profound bewilderment, "Why?"

One of these came last week, when John Prescott granted consent for the 600ft Vauxhall Tower, on the south side of Vauxhall Bridge, in the process overruling the London Borough of Lambeth and his own inspector at a planning inquiry.

Almost everyone except Prescott, and the towers' architects and developers, thinks that it will be a monster. It has even prompted an unprecedented debate in the House of Lords.

The Deputy Prime Minister's stated reason for his intervention was that a modest number of "affordable" flats will supposedly be provided there, so that nurses and other deserving types can live alongside the Premiership footballers, soap stars and Russian businessmen at whom the development's luxury apartments are presumably aimed.

Some suspect that Prescott is panicking: he has set himself ambitious targets for new housing that he is signally failing to meet, so he is desperate to support anything that might make a dent, however symbolically, in the statistics.

But the rest of us are bound to ask why the skyline of London, and the setting of the Thames and the Palace of Westminster, can be trashed for ever in order to get a minister out of a hole. Surely, you might think, there is some framework or policy that says where towers can and cannot be built, that stands above the whims of politicians. This would not happen in Amsterdam or Paris, in Rome or even New York, where they have workable controls over their skylines. Why can't we have what they're having?

We are getting familiar with the silvery, computer-generated ghosts of prospective towers being waved before us, destined for different parts of the capital. So far, none except the Gherkin has been completed outside Canary Wharf, but it is said that developers are planning (and hoping) for the next big upturn in the property market, a few years from now, when skyscrapers will become profitable. So we have to take these proposals seriously.

Seriousness, however, has not until now been much in evidence in the planning of tall buildings.

Too often it has been a case of different developers trying their luck, looking for the winning combination of uncertainty in the planning system, affordable housing quota, bigname architect, skilled lawyer and sheer persistence and determination.

Some of the towers to come out of this process will be well sited and good-looking, others the opposite, but what is lacking is any apparent logic or pattern to the decisions.

If, for example, you can go to 600ft in Vauxhall, which is about the height of the BT tower, why not in Clapham, or Hammersmith, or Bexleyheath, or anywhere else whatsoever? And if one, why not several, a long rank of non-matching spikes along the south shore of the Thames? If the owner of one site can cash in with a towering planning consent, why not the owner of the one next door?

At present, the planning system is largely silent on these subjects. Since lawyers thrive on vagueness, this leads to a proliferation of expensive public inquiries, in which assembled experts debate the aesthetic nuances of this or that pointy shape.

In terms of legal or technical precision, it is not too different from discussing the arrangements of ornaments on a mantelpiece, but the victory of expert A over expert B, or vice versa, can have consequences of dozens of storeys, and hundreds of millions of pounds. The whole process is ultimately a huge waste of time and money, from which only lawyers benefit.

The nearest we have to a policy is something with the worthy, if unpunctuated, name of Draft Supplementary Planning Guidance London View Management Framework, recently put to public consultation by the Mayor's office. This defines the "protected vistas" where it would be unacceptable for towers to intrude, and those "significant views" where any changes should at least be carefully considered.

The framework pays particular attention to views of St Paul's, from as far away as Alexandra Palace and Richmond Park, and as close as the Millennium Bridge. It also concerns itself with views from most of central London's bridges, and those of the Houses of Parliament, Buckingham Palace, the Tower of London and the Royal Naval College in Greenwich.

It sends invisible rays across from one side of the capital to the other, zones in which prospective towers will, if the document is implemented, wither. It rightly identifies as sacrosanct the view of the Houses of Parliament from the Serpentine Bridge in Hyde Park, which - such is the geometry of London - rules out tall buildings in Elephant and Castle, which would lie directly behind it.

THIS is fine as far it goes, but it is not enough. It raises the possibility that, outside the framework's zones, tower-building will be as anarchic as ever. It also leaves plenty of room for argument by saying that, in some important views, "developers may be able to contribute to the qualities of the view through high-quality design".

This is true, but it returns the debate to the flimsy definition of "quality". And Prescott's Vauxhall decision has already driven a large hole through the framework, as the tower will stand smack in the middle of a view identified as "important", and therefore requiring special care.

Most importantly, the Framework does not demonstrate what a new, tower-decked London might look like, because this is beyond the document's scope. It is likely that clusters will develop in the areas deemed less sensitive, which may either add to, or detract from, the skyline. The point is that it is impossible to tell because no one, neither the Mayor nor developers, has shown us the total effect of a series of individual towers, even though there is ample computer imaging technology to do so.

A few boroughs are also showing that it is possible to bring some reason and order to the subject, by creating guidelines for their own territory.

The City of London has one that concentrates towers in clusters away from views of St Paul's. The City of Westminster has one that rules out towers almost anywhere, and Southwark has one in preparation. Criticisms can be made of the details of these policies but, if Lambeth had had such guidelines, it might have been harder even for Prescott to overrule them.

London is already a city of towers, and the popular, if not commercial, success of the Gherkin shows that it would be fatuous to ban all new ones, but there is no absolute necessity to build them. London could become more vibrant and economically successful, and accommodate the pressure for development on its land, without anything new above 15 storeys.

It is therefore up to the developers who would build them, and the politicians who would encourage them, to work out what the big picture is, and show it to us, the people who will be most affected.



http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/622/9119stgeorgeswharftower_pic9.jpg

Mikey
July 27th, 2005, 11:02 PM
quote - why not in Clapham, or Hammersmith, or Bexleyheath, Bexleyheath!!!(where I live) now that would be something.... ;)

gothicform
July 27th, 2005, 11:11 PM
lol well there's a simple answer to that. because vauxhall is one of the six areas of london zoned as such in the london plan. fulham would be perfect, infact that place always reminds me of an american downtown because of the little cluster of midrises they have laid out there - very grid like.
people dont build towers if there isnt the demand for them, this is one thing people dont seem to grasp.

JDRS
July 27th, 2005, 11:17 PM
London is already a city of towers, and the popular, if not commercial, success of the Gherkin shows that it would be fatuous to ban all new ones, but there is no absolute necessity to build them. London could become more vibrant and economically successful, and accommodate the pressure for development on its land, without anything new above 15 storeys.

Compared to other cities that are of similar size and prestige of London, it is not a city of towers. Without anything above 15 storeys we cannot improve our skyline and create something to be proud of. As people were saying on another thread London reinvents itself alot and refusing to build anything over 15 storeys is clearly wrong. :bash:

Philip Cronin
July 31st, 2005, 07:24 AM
This tower is a repulsive piece of crap. The prospect of it being joined by several other repulsive pieces of crap is not an acceptable excuse for building it.

london-b
July 31st, 2005, 07:46 AM
This tower is a repulsive piece of crap. The prospect of it being joined by several other repulsive pieces of crap is not an acceptable excuse for building it.
?????????????????????????????????????????? :wtf:

Fragmentor
July 31st, 2005, 10:48 AM
well im not the world's biggest fan of this tower by any stretch of the imagination, but I think that's a little harsh ;

Mikey
July 31st, 2005, 10:58 AM
We will just have to wait untill it starts to rise, after all there is nothing like seeing the finished article in the flesh, and london doesnt have many tall buildings a fact we all know well, you cant expect to like the location and design of everyone of them that is proposed, just be thankful that London has plenty of bodys, ie, cabe, etc that try and make sure no real nastys get through the planning process. I for one like the Vauxhall tower and look foward to driving around the congestion charge zone to get pics once this beauty starts to climb skywards :)

Tall Rog
July 31st, 2005, 04:16 PM
I have no problems with the tower as such, doesn't look too bad to me. My only complaint is that it is a little too close to the river.

What I do think is disgusting are the flats next to the tower... can't remember their name right now. How the hell did they ever get planning permission? They look terrible, totally out of place not only for the Thames, but also anywhere in London. Anything built close to those monstrosities doesn't stand a chance.

NothingBetterToDo
July 31st, 2005, 05:17 PM
I have no problems with the tower as such, doesn't look too bad to me. My only complaint is that it is a little too close to the river.

What I do think is disgusting are the flats next to the tower... can't remember their name right now. How the hell did they ever get planning permission? They look terrible, totally out of place not only for the Thames, but also anywhere in London. Anything built close to those monstrosities doesn't stand a chance.

They do fit in quite well with the MI6 headquaters though....i agree that they arent too pretty..but i dont think they are too bad.

I think the Vauxhall tower looks like somthing that would go up in Dubai...which isnt a bad thing - i think it will look ok when its built and when a few other towers go up around it.

Peyre
July 31st, 2005, 08:54 PM
I love those flats. What are you talking about!

JDRS
July 31st, 2005, 09:22 PM
The flats aren't bad and as NothingBetterToDo says they fit in with the MI6 building. They could be better though.

lyonsdown
August 1st, 2005, 12:28 AM
the MI6 building is fucking hideous too.

JDRS
August 1st, 2005, 02:00 AM
I actually quite like it.

lyonsdown
August 1st, 2005, 03:45 AM
I actually quite like it.
:weirdo:

Black Cat
August 1st, 2005, 04:57 AM
The article raises a good point about the need and value of a tall buildings plan for London, though it appears that the journalist appears less interested in good appropriately sited towers and more in having another planning tool to obstruct any tower proposal! What is ironic is that the image shows St George's Wharf which comprises 15-20 storey buildings next to the Vauxhall Tower - is the former preferred to the latter? Vauxhall Tower may not possess the subliminal beauty of LBT, but it is far superior to many other similar high rises towers around the world.

Ciudad Bristol
August 1st, 2005, 11:58 AM
If anything St George Wharf opens up the Thames path linking up with Nine Elms Lane. Coupled with the padestrian tunnel under Vauxhall bridge (provided by St George) this is a huge improvment to the previous foot brige over Vauxhall Cross and subsequent exhust fume walk along Bondway.

Turbosnail
August 1st, 2005, 12:58 PM
What is so repulsive about Vauxhall Tower. Maybe repulsive if it were built in the middle of Bath or Stratford on Avon.

potto
August 1st, 2005, 01:16 PM
exactly London needs more quality living space, it needs to grow upwards, increasing the number of clusters is the best answer

Harry
August 1st, 2005, 01:28 PM
I think this will come to be our generation's version of the Millbank Tower (ie monolithic slab in the wrong part of London.) If this was being proposed in Canary Wharf or even, possibly, in Southwark, it might pass the test. But I worry that in time London may come to resemble places like Tokyo or Mexico City, where towers are spread right across the panorama and lose their impact. There is only room for two or three clusters of towers in central London. Any more than that, and they will all simply agglomerate.

Worst of all, if towers like this are approved it will give the Luddites another stick to bash the architecture profession with. High rise architecture has been retarded in this country for the last 30 years because 'we mustn't repeat the mistakes of the 1960s'. High rise approvals in the 21st century must be of exceptional quality - and this isn't.

potto
August 1st, 2005, 02:30 PM
I agree with your comment on the need for high-quality highrise developments particularly residential (and unfortunatly I can not say with 100% that this is one of them) but I disagree completely with the general fear of having more than 2 or 3 clusters.

If we limit from the outset to such a small number of defined areas where tall buildings can be placed (having 3 clusters automatically implies that residential units can only appear in 1 new cluster) then the mistakes of post-war London will live on and London as an evolving entity will be consigned to history.

You can stand at the top of St Pauls Cathedral and take in the vast almost endless skyline, from here you can see the beginnings of clustering in many locations where stumpy post-war blocks congregate and then disperse, you can also see the random council tower blocks littering the skyline in every direction. Without moving forward there will be no hope of changing this dominant feel and there will be little hope in evolving in the type of building that we will work and play, this isnt to say that only high-rises are inevitbale we just need to be more fluid and clustering seems to suit tall buildings and enables them to integrate into the existing fabric without appearing too alien. The vastness of London means that multiple clusters are possible and the benefit of higher-densities in the centre means that most of the South of the river is a prime location

A foreign world renowed architect explained that London was a creature capable of evolution as much as the mega-cities of Asia are capable. He pointed out that evolution has stopped in most European cities and even New York and reached an end point

Bob
August 1st, 2005, 05:24 PM
Indeed London can support more than a couple of clusters. We have the city and CW. In the future we will have Vauxhall, Elephant and Castle, Croydon, Stratford, Cricklewood??... and there are a couple of stumpier ones at Paddington, Deptford... There are loads of sites now established for high density development.

Munch
August 1st, 2005, 06:56 PM
I think it is important not to overlook quality low-rise areas of the city and the importance of maintaining human scaled areas right in the centre.

I believe clusters are very important. Stand alone towers will work so long as they are of landmark status like LBT. What i do not like is too many randomly placed towers that compromise the clusters. Towers that are never going to form any sort of real cluster unless all of london becomes a cluster...

But what annoys me the most is when i get an awesome panorama of both the city and the Wharf only to find a randomly placed highrise destroying the view and the scale of the view. However, if that 'randomly' placed highrise were in a cluster itself then that cluster would be the view and would not be obscuring it, if you get what i mean...

A mountainous skyscraper landscape with multiple cluster peaks with also notable low areas of breathing space to add to the drama.

dinp
August 5th, 2005, 12:05 AM
Yuk! Not appropriate at all, cut its height and its trio of shites...

Sitback
August 5th, 2005, 08:55 PM
I actually quite like it too. Personaly, St Georges Wharf is a bit of a freak and Vauxhall Tower actually compliments its ugliness, so the whole cluster looks organic to me, ugly but it fits...

If anyone understands what I'm rambling on about?

Zenith
August 5th, 2005, 09:10 PM
We always understand you Mr Sitback !...sometimes :) :cheers:

Sitback
August 5th, 2005, 10:06 PM
LOL!

Seriously I think it will look pretty awesome tho. It certainly fits better with the adjacent buildings better then quite a few London proposals.