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Victory over battle to buy derelict hotel Jul 29 2005
By Catherine Jones, Liverpool Echo

A DERELICT Liverpool hotel with a compulsory purchase order on it is to be bought by the council.

A planning inspector today ruled in favour of the council against Shook Kwan "Jimmy" Wong, the owner of the Scandinavia hotel at the corner of Nelson Street and Duke Street.

The news comes seven weeks aftera public inquiry in Liverpool, and after the Bishop of Liverpool wrote to deputy prime minister John Prescott urging a speedy decision.

It could mean the city could be in possession of the building by October.

Mr Wong appealed aftera compulsory purchase order (CPO) was served on him last year by the council, which claimed regeneration of Ropewalks was hampered by his inability to repair the building, which is on the ECHO's Stop the Rot hit list.

This is the first completely successful CPO through the ECHO's Stop the Rot campaign.

The council has signed an agreement with developers Downing for a £14m hotel, offices and residential scheme on the site at the corner of Nelson Street and Duke Street.

Council leader Mike Storey said today: "This is a powerful message to those people who let our architectural heritage go to rack and ruin.

"We as a city will take relentless action. This shows we mean business. I hope the redevelopment would be completed for 2008."

Mr Wong said today he had not been officially informed about the decision.

At the inquiry he claimed European funding "half-promised" in the mid-1990s had been diverted to other schemes, including the Tea Factory in nearby Wood Street.

He has planning permission-for a restaurant, witha snooker hall, oriental museum and a roof garden.

Plans would 'enhance character' of the area

INSPECTOR Laura Graham listened to three days of evidence at the public inquiry last month and visited the Scandinavia hotel site. She ruled in the council's favour, saying its proposals would:

. Enhance the character and appearance of the conservation area.

. Provide improvements to the public realm through the provision of a new pedestrian route along the original route of Cummings Street.

. Offer a vibrant mix of uses, including a building for use by the local community.

. Accord with the provisions of the development plan.

The inspector said while Mr Wong's plans would bring existing buildings back into use and strengthen the Chinese identity of the area, there were "considerable doubts" over whether he had the necessary funding or could deliver his plans.

The recommendations conclude: "I am satisfied there is a compelling case in the public interest for the compulsory acquisition of all interests in the order land."

Sailors' home

THE Scandinavia hotel was built in the mid-19th century on the corner of Nelson Street and Duke Street. It was a home for sailors from Scandinavia, later became a furniture factory and snooker hall, but has been empty for 25 years.

In 2001, Downing submitted plans to demolish the building and an adjacent factory and replace it with a six-floor hotel, restaurants, bars, offices, apartments and basement car park.

The subsequent revised plans include maintaining the original facade on Nelson Street.

At last a positive outcome to a building in an important part of town. :)

Great news. Maybe this'll teach Jimmy a lesson or two. :cheers:

some constructive news from liverpool council for once great.

Unfortunately Jimmy has been too slow, and not got a credible plan. Downing Developments who are the developers are a company with proven track record.(The Garden Quarter, Symphony, Temple Court)

This area is seeing some real improvement now. The Blackie, Scandinavian hotel, Whitehouse, new paving public realm, tennament blocks along main road being replaced by Urban Splash, plus apartment's on old garage site next to The Blackie. :cheers:

some constructive news from liverpool council for once great.


agree with you there!

Anyone got any pictures lately of Circle 109 or Duke Street (old car park site)? Two interesting developments currently ongoing in the Ropewalks area.

It will also be interesting to follow the Elysian Fields development on Colquitt Street, a high quality building in this, one of the most interesting areas of the city.

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Has anyone got renders of what that new square at the back of the walkabout is going to look like?

you mean "Concert steps"? Supposed to be finished this winter, but Ive not seen any renderings either.

just found this...

Interesting that Frensons won an award for concert steps and no one has actually seen anything of it yet.

encouraging in one sense in that it may mean its gonna be high quality. worrying if the decision as to its quality was decided by anyone in our own planning department.

see below.

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just found this...

Interesting that Frensons won an award for concert steps and no one has actually seen anything of it yet.

encouraging in one sense in that it may mean its gonna be high quality. worrying if the decision as to its quality was decided by anyone in our own planning department.

see below.

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doesn't work bugged boy!

lose the dub dub dub: http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/1100ichomes/propertyawards/tm_objectid=15444547&method=full&siteid=50061&headline=awards-celebrate-region-s-amazing-revitalisation-name_page.html

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Land swap leads to plan for luxury apartments Sep 7 2005
By Larry Neild, Daily Post

WORK has started on a £14m development of luxury apartments in the Rope Walks area of the city centre after a land swap deal with a local college.

Builder David McLean is constructing Elysian Fields in Colquitt Street, off Duke Street, for developer Iliad.

The site once housed the former Liverpool Community College catering and hairdressing departments.

The site was exchanged with the college who moved hundreds of students to a new building on the opposite side of Duke Street in a new development known as East Village.

David McLean has a close working relationship with Iliad with whom it developed the popular East Village scheme which has helped lead to a renaissance in the Duke Street area. The partnership has led to a string of developments in Rope Walks worth more than £40m.

Last month, David McLean Contractors sold its interest in the East Village development to a new Iliad joint venture company. This brought to an end its five-year involvement with what has been one of the most significant development programmes for a decade in the city centre.

It has seen the arrival of two new restaurants in Duke Street, the Japanese Sapporo and the Italian Il Forno.

The old college building is currently being demolished to make way for the new apartment block which will have an underground car park.

Iliad chose the Greek name Elysian Fields after a meadow mentioned in the work by Homer.

I was recently wondering when this was going to make a start,great news. :cheers: :cheers:

I think the ropewalks area of Liverpool is going to be the "Apartment" capital of Liverpool, love the area and it has a view of the RLB and downtown

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Formerly St peters Church and is the latest bar and restaurant to open in Liverpool,it retains a lot of the churches original features i.e the alter and stained glass windows and as the name suggests has a distinct Latin feel of Cuba "Miami".Its a classy bar and is aiming at the Blue Bar and Panamerican bar set.Its food and drink echoes a distinct latin flavour with influences from Cuba,Argentina and Brazil.The location was formerly a centre for Liverpool's Polish community and was visited by Mother Teresa shortly before its closure in the late 1990's.

Wow, is that the interior of St Peters? :eek2:

I had no idea.

That'll make a fab pub.

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The location was formerly a centre for Liverpool's Polish community.
You might be getting St. Peters mixed up with St. Philip Neri on Catherine Street. St. Phillips offered twelve oclock mass on sundays and the sermon at this mass was always in Polish. The Polish National Club 'Dom Polska' was located across the street from St. Philips in one of those big beautiful Georgian houses.

http://www.aliashotels.com/aliasropewalks/

Old news perhaps.

Didn`t the Polish community move from St Peters Seel Street to St Philip Neri`s Catherine Street when St Peters closed?

Didn`t the Polish community move from St Peters Seel Street to St Philip Neri`s Catherine Street when St Peters closed?
Not to my knowledge. St. Philips offered the twelve oclock "Polish" mass (mass was in Latin but sermon was in Polish) from (to my personal knowledge) 1951. St. Peter's, Seel Street didn't close, as a parish church, until the early 1970's. I believe St. Peters parishoners became part of St. Vincents parish.

I think St. Philips was an annex of St. Anne's, Overbury Street.

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Old news perhaps.

Old news ? yes and no :) This was first announced back in July 2004, with a promised opening date of early 2006. It all went quiet and I think Liverpool Vision hinted that this project could be cancelled, due to difficulty in getting grant funding. So it good news today that the scheme is back on track. The hotel is to be called, Alias Hotel St Louis and will be built in the former Seel House Press building in Seel St. It will be a 70 bedroomed 3-star town house hotel.

Another piece of the ROPEWALKS jigsaw falls into place. :)

Forthcoming in the Ropewalks area
From Andrew Louis website

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The Jam Works
A stunning new development of 25 apartments by Manchester developers Idiom Estates. Situated in the heart of the Ropewalks area on Fleet Street and finished to an exceptional specification.

Lever Court, Duke Street
A stunning new build development of high quality apartments by Iliad. With a first floor residents garden, this scheme will offer a slice of tranquility in the busy city environment. Due for release 2005.

Jam? Since when has Liverpool needed a jamworks, given that it sits upon a jam butty seam that famously outcrops at Knotty Ash?

I'm trying to locate it in my mind, is the brown building on the right of the render, the backside of the Tea Factory? The commodities quarter develops: Tea, vanilla, jam?

I'm trying to locate it in my mind, is the brown building on the right of the render, the backside of the Tea Factory? The commodities quarter develops: Tea, vanilla, jam?

Yeah, it's the old 3rst (showing my age :$) that they knocked last year (or earlier this year, I can't remember).

Looks good :)

Ye gods 3rst. Edgy place, I remember. Went there once, and had a strange experience I'll best not put down in writing.

I think this is the old Seel St Press building?? earmarked for re-development as Alias Hotel

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Colquitt St. College soon to be demolished and rebuilt as Elysian Fields (crap name that IMO!!)

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Spot on Doug that the Hotel site and good to see some action on the ELYSIAN :) Fields site.

The Jam Works is on the old Society nightclub site thats well demolished. I've heard the Vanilla Factory now has a new bar at the bottom?! Anyone been or seen it?

Heard about it not been

Cheers Doug :cheers:

I allways wonder where these new developments are going and what building is involved. The old Press building looks in good nick and looks a solid building, so should be great when converted into a hotel, to liven up Seel st which is a bit of a dead area at times. Also great to see some action now on demolition of the eyesore for Elysian fields.

Note:- Elysian fields will be about 9 mikes high, and the current building which dwarfs the Georgian terraces is only 5 mikes, although these 5 mikes are probably taller than the corresponding mikes in Elysian fields...!

Although thinking about it, this current building was probably designed "obsurdly" to match the symetry of the georgian terracess mike height.

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went to the new bar..Its called Korova.

Not bad really. Nice change from the other Concert Sq. dives. However, its a bit "Plastic Rhino" (poncy fashion magazine) and looks like Microzine on Bold st.

Owned in part by Reuben from Ladytron (who DJs at the Evol night there every Friday).

Financed by the Lyceum group, responsible for Alma de Cuba, Blue, baby blue/cream, pan american and others.

went to the new bar..Its called Korova.

Not bad really. Nice change from the other Concert Sq. dives. However, its a bit "Plastic Rhino" (poncy fashion magazine) and looks like Microzine on Bold st.

Owned in part by Reuben from Ladytron (who DJs at the Evol night there every Friday).

Financed by the Lyceum group, responsible for Alma de Cuba, Blue, baby blue/cream, pan american and others.

You going to cream on Saturday?

Owned in part by Reuben from Ladytron (who DJs at the Evol night there every Friday).

Ahh, Ladytron. A sort of Electropop keyboard band if I recall. I didn't know they were still around.

Yep, their new album came out on Monday and they're off on tour shortly.

http://www.ladytron.com/site.php

You going to cream on Saturday?


probably not as Im running the 10k on sunday morning. may be going out on friday for some house/breaks though...which, in case im drifting off topic..is in the Masque, which ias in Ropewalks...phew...

There is a new bar being built on the corner opposite the entrance to FACT too. Saw them building in the basement this morning whilst wandering down to work.

More bars, less cheese please.

Good to see things starting to get moving in Ropewalks again. That Seel House press building looks perfect to convert into a smart hotel.

By the way, in Henry Street, Circle 101 is nearing completion and there is another building called the Foundry underway. A rendering has appeared on the hoarding of the building to replace the old NCP car park in Duke Street.

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Is this the building behind the Lloyds No 1 bar/Miller Homes Apartments?

Billy, I'm not sure what's on the other side of this building.

Billy, I'm not sure what's on the other side of this building.

Doug, I think we should include Ropewalks in our next walkabout

Mr Wood, how about when we have the next walkabout, we meet up in the Fly in the Loaf again, positioning us nicely for a Ropewalks roamaround?

That's Saturday 15th, when I'm around anyway.

One of you will have to pm me about these walkabouts because i feel like a muppet walking round on me tod sometimes

Sounds ok to me, I have received edition 13 of Liverpool Vision's 'Development Update' today, there are 44 developments listed in the Ropewalks section and 12 developments listed for the L1/Baltic area, so plenty to look at.

I come on here and say this every so often, but its still worth saying.

Imagine, a Ropewalks stretching from Bold St to the dock road and taking in everything in between. The low density corpy houses gone. Just a seething mass of culture and bohemian style. Intricate little spaces and squares everywhere.

Certainly the place to watch and be in the future. :cheers:

Mr Wood, how about when we have the next walkabout, we meet up in the Fly in the Loaf again, positioning us nicely for a Ropewalks roamaround?

That's Saturday 15th, when I'm around anyway.

Mr Awayo, that sounds dam fine by me, I will be in town ,as usual around 3pm. :) Saturday 15th.

More on the Jam Works development on Fleet Street

Location next to the Tea Factory
25 apartments + retail/leisure space

Website:
http://www.thejamworks.net/

Elysian Fields
Expected to be completed in late 2006 or early 2007.

Nelson St. had a drink in the Nook, glad to see it has re-opened but it really does need redecorating inside.

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Circle 109

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Cornwallis St.

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Duke St. this image is of the scheme on the demolished MSCP site, no signs of building work yet.

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Fleet St.

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Art House Sq.

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Cheers Doug for another set of excellent photos. The Nook was a very interesting old pub (sawdust on the floor) then to the newest and most contemporary bar in Ropewalks in the regenerated St. Peters Church. You couldn`t pick two bars more different ,thats what makes this part of town very interesting ,the old and the new sitting side by side. Most enjoyable walkabout with you Doug and Awayo. Must do it again soon

Thanks Woody, yeah it was a bit of a contrast to say the least!! I know you liked Alma de Cuba, St. Peters, and I totally agree about the fact that this development saved the building but!! I would not describe myself as religious but standing there in place I did feel a bit uneasy supping lager with the altar bearing down. All those candles gave the place a bit of the Excorsist feel to it, I'm not sure if I would go back there?

Circle 109 looks big on its first picture, superb!!!

Thanks Woody, yeah it was a bit of a contrast to say the least!! I know you liked Alma de Cuba, St. Peters, and I totally agree about the fact that this development saved the building but!! I would not describe myself as religious but standing there in place I did feel a bit uneasy supping lager with the altar bearing down. All those candles gave the place a bit of the Excorsist feel to it, I'm not sure if I would go back there?

Doug you ( and me :) ) would not go back ,at £3 pint :cheers:
Apart from the "london prices" :) , I thought the whole church renovation had been brilliantly done. Yes, it had in a previousl life been a church with bodies in the cellar ( the beer was well chilled :) ) but to save such a interesting building a developer must find a viable future. Turning this ex-church into a bar was maybe the only way that the thousands spent on this structure would guarantee a return.
So Doug , I will gladly return for a :cheers: When do you get payed ?????

Thanks Woody, yeah it was a bit of a contrast to say the least!! I know you liked Alma de Cuba, St. Peters, and I totally agree about the fact that this development saved the building but!! I would not describe myself as religious but standing there in place I did feel a bit uneasy supping lager with the altar bearing down. All those candles gave the place a bit of the Excorsist feel to it, I'm not sure if I would go back there?

Do they serve spirit's in there :)

Doug...Great pics above, that new development on the MSCP is excellent, can't wait until the whole of Duke street is restored and developed along it's entire lenght. I remember walking along Duke street in the 80s, what a difference now :cheers:

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What's the tower in the background?

Don't know, we spotted that yesterday could be some old image of Central Station scheme?? not sure.

Doug you ( and me :) ) would not go back ,at £3 pint :cheers:
Apart from the "london prices" :) , I thought the whole church renovation had been brilliantly done. Yes, it had in a previousl life been a church with bodies in the cellar ( the beer was well chilled :) ) but to save such a interesting building a developer must find a viable future. Turning this ex-church into a bar was maybe the only way that the thousands spent on this structure would guarantee a return.
So Doug , I will gladly return for a :cheers: When do you get payed ?????

You mean he didn`t like a drink himself?

:cheers:

25th October 2005.

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25th October 2005.

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25th October 2005.

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Last one - any more and it'll spoil your tea.

:)

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That's a good idea to cover up a horribly decaying building, when are Frenson going to start on many of the buildings they are keeping in a derelict state around that area. They keep trying to put in applications to demolish for new build to see whether successful, but the council refuses until they come up with a more suitable proposal.

Admittedly the Chinese banners do look extremely good, and add much needed colour and interest to that area of Ropewalks. However that building has needed attention for decades. Adding copious amounts of corrugated iron and scaffold ultimately only drew attention to the building. Now although nice, the banners are simply wallpapering over the cracks, and hiding the problem - out of sight, out of mind perhaps?

I've not read back through the post properly, but let me guess.. Is this the building on the corner or Slater/Duke Street we're discussing here? :?

^^

Corner of Slater / Seel Street

Seel Street? On the corner opposite the former scabby All American Car Wash?, Or am I streets out? :?

Seel Street? On the corner opposite the former scabby All American Car Wash?, Or am I streets out? :?

Yes, the old MSCP/Yankee carwash site which has been demolished and now a hoarded site awaiting construction of apartment building (facing Duke St.)

This rotting building, covered in new Chinese themed artwork (as shown above in A.D.Williams post) is on Seel st/Slater St (West corner as shown on multimap).

The curved part of the 'new' Casartelli has now been rendered, with the scaffold still in situ I will reserve judgement until the scaffold comes down. I was not a great admirer of this plan to rebuild the one that fell down, but having seen this building this morning I am liking it more.


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I don't mind it actually. I also thought that rebuilding it was a daft idea, but I'm more optimistic about it these days.

I have to say though that I hope that's just a yellow undercoat, as it looks pretty naff for what is an important corner site. I thought it was going to be exposed brickwork like the Hanover st. frontage, which would have looked much classier.

It's quite colourful, i like it, adds some unique character that probably wouldn't be matched by a new building. Is this new building smaller than the original...!

Agreed, I like it. This city needs more colour. Most buildings are grey.

new bar opening soon on the corner of ropewalks sq. (home of the metroscopes and the entrance to FACT).

SoHo Bar and Grill methinks its called. Glad to see the ground floor of the new builds are starting to pick up occupants.

If you build them, they will come...

Why not rebuild it i liked the look of the old building and this one is a brand new version of it.

ropewalks area has to be one of the best parts of liverpool city centre, with loads of bars,clubs,restruants,apartments and FACT. I think the london area of the city centre should have a similar revamp. then maybe the odeon there will stay.

Was around Ropewalks today. The former catering college on Colquitt Street is now under demolition. A large part of the centre of the building is now down, with just a little more than the ends (i.e. the parts closest to Seel Street and the Duke Street buildings remaining. I would Imagine it'll easily be down by the end of the month, allowing for clerance of foundations early in the new year.

Nice one Duck! I cannae wait to see the Colquitt St building U/C. ;)

Great, that's one ugly Fyooka of a building, to be replaced with something worth looking at.

This will be a very nice area to live in, with Chows house round the corner in China Town, Chinese every night:)

Colquitt St. college nearly down.

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Doug all of your picture updates are really appreciated thanks. :cheers:

Your welcome!

Doug, great to see "another one of my old sites" bite the dust, Elysian development will add height and mass to this part of Ropewalks, lets see another tower crane there real soon.

:eek2: ropewalks area has to be one of the best parts of liverpool city centre, with loads of bars,clubs,restruants,apartments and FACT. I think the london area of the city centre should have a similar revamp. then maybe the odeon there will stay.


I can believe there is gonna be another revoloution where the Old Bluu bar was in rope walks, this is surely only gonna be about 500 yards from the other one in wood st.

Are we vodka crazy :cheers: :cheers:

Are you talkin' 'bout a revolution Trev? :?

Looking towards Circle109, which is nearing completion.

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Looking down Duke Street at the cranes :cheers:

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Unity also looking good from the same spot

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The fact that Liverpool is so hilly is something we should really appreciate (Unless you're walking up one!). It'd be really boring if it was flat.

Great pics Steve, Unity is now looking higher than RSA, Circle 109 is a classy looking development I think its great.

Are you using a new camera? More great piccies. I love that one looking towards Unity- actually they're all good.

You're right about the hills- I think your pictures capture the hilliness really well. Hilly is always better than flat.

Ta Doug / Blabs.

Camera isn't new new, had it for a while but have neglected it so making the most of the clear skies I decided to take him out for the morning. He must have been pissed off though as the battery ran out :sleepy:

on the last picture, a building the height of the top of that tallest crane would be good

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:cheers:

Looks like Corinth Tower reincarnate Westie :)

HAHA :lol:

Are you talkin' 'bout a revolution Trev? :?

affirmative!

shit just got your joke buuny boiler - i think!

LOL - as a born and bred Sheffielder, I laugh in the face of those puny Liverpool 'hills'!!

Great pics though Steve. :cheers:

Sheffield is toooooo hilly tho damon. Theres not one single flat part!! Was a nitemare walking to the train station sumtimes!! Especially with a suitcase!

Great pics tho steve!

LOL - as a born and bred Sheffielder, I laugh in the face of those puny Liverpool 'hills'!!

Great pics though Steve. :cheers:

Agree with Damon, great pics.

Damon we do not have hills in Liverpool, its a "ridge that encircled the downtown area.

Lots of activity all around Ropewalks, here is just a little bit of it...

The Foundry

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Circle 109

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Jam Works at Fleet Street

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Duke Street, site of demolished car park

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Argyle Court, opposite Campbell Square

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Campbell Square

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:cheers:

You miserable mutton chops - I was so excited when I saw this (amended) picture I nearly wet myself.

:bash:

:) :cheers:

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New Casartelli rises to glory Dec 16 2005
By Catherine Jones, Liverpool Echo

THE symbol of the ECHO's Stop the Rot campaign has risen phoenix-like from the ashes of demolition.

The rebuilt Casartelli building is six months from completion, and now looks much as it did in its heyday.

It was pulled down soon after the ECHO's Stop the Rot initiative was launched, becoming the symbol of the campaign to save some of the city's most historic sites.

Three years ago it was revealed that a multi-million pound shopping and apartment complex would be built on the Hanover Street site and the new building's design would pay tribute to the original grade II listed warehouse.

The scheme includes a 7,000sq ft ground floor shopping area, 31 luxury two-bedroom apartments, five two and three-bedroom penthouse suites, and under-ground parking.

Dylan Jones of architects Atelier 2, who are working on behalf of Liverpool Property Holdings, said: "I believe there's going to be a photographic studio on site, and there will be another business too.

"The windows on the ground floor are a bit of a departure from the original building but it did have a shop front at that level.

"It was a shame to lose the original facade but I think the developers are very pleased with how it's looking."

The Casartelli was built in 1760 and the Italian Casartelli family ran their scientific instrument manufacturing business from the site.

It became a wine warehouse but fell into disuse, and plans for restoration in 1991 and 1999 fell through.

It was condemned in 2001 after engineers found they would have to remove all the brickwork above the ground floor to replace a rotten beam.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/qwerty1234520012000/P1000926a.jpg

Well whaddayaknow - who'd have thought that the good old Krazyhouse actually says 'Krazyhouse' on the roof! How odd.

Anyone know what is happening with Concert Steps. It says on the site it will open winter 2005, but I can't see that happening with no activity on the site. But I guess it is the same old story with Frenson...

Red Scouser...

Where/what is concert steps, i take it's near concert sq...!

ye just behind the walkabout its a new square i got the impression a few new bars/clubs were opening round it but i haven't seen any activity on site since the summer.

Yeh - looks like a missed opportunity to me. could have well been just what concert square needs to expand on what it already offers. Maybe another developer will get involved in the future.

Old catering college building dissapearing for Elysian Fields

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/1202/919058028aeb9d3e02f0b10fb9b76b.jpg

Great pictures all round Juxtapol,Elysian Fields is a fantastic development and it's great to see that old eyesore bite the dust. :)

Some Ropewalks views taken this afternoon:

The Pierse Homes Cleveland Square development Cleveland Square side:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/0201061-MS.jpg

and the Henry Street side:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/0201063-MS.jpg

The Cassartelli practically complete at last. Appears they have let the ground floor to a photographic studio:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/0201062-MS.jpg

View down Henry Street. Quite a number of apartment blocks (new and conversions) under construction. The building on the left is the completed Cinamon building:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/0201064-MS.jpg

Circle 101 nearing completion. I like the blue but I'm a bit doubtful how long it will last in that condition given the damp staining evident on the Henry Street side:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/0201065-MS.jpg

A hair dressing salon and another restaurant (in the Community College) are the latest tendants of the East Village. Tower of Circle 101 staring down:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/0201066-MS.jpg

With the old catering college mostly demolished a new view of the Cathedral and Duke Street Terrace development has appeared. This will, of course, disappear when Elysian Fields starts construction:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/0201067-MS.jpg

Arthouse Square nearing completion:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/0201068-MS.jpg

The small courtyard in Arthouse Square should end up as another Campbell Square:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/0201069-MS.jpg

It's brilliant seeing the ropewalks changing like this,I love it around there,thanks Martin great pictures :cheers:

William Huskisson statue in the gardens of Dukes Terrace. Demolition of Colquitt Street college in the background:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/070106-MS.jpg

Great set of pics there showing the complete turnaround of the "Ropewalks" area, an area wich is one of my faves also.

Great set of pics there showing the complete turnaround of the "Ropewalks" area, an area wich is one of my faves also.

It's starting to impress me now. :)

Work has begun today on the mixed use scheme on the bottom of Duke Street, next to the old kitchen appliance shop that was converted into an art gallery (Polished-T).

Diggers and workmen abound. Shouldnt be too long til it starts to creep up out of the ground.

Taken from Liverpool Vision Development Summary:
27-35 Duke Street
Demolition of existing structures and erection of 7-storey building plus penthouse, 78 unit residential development and commercial use in basement and ground floor."

Piling drill now in place and busying itself on this site.

27-35 Duke Street
Demolition of existing structures and erection of 7-storey building plus penthouse, 78 unit residential development and commercial use in basement and ground floor."

Carsatelli building photo studio almost finished being fitted out.


good good good.

Piling drill now in place and busying itself on this site.

27-35 Duke Street
Demolition of existing structures and erection of 7-storey building plus penthouse, 78 unit residential development and commercial use in basement and ground floor."

Carsatelli building photo studio almost finished being fitted out.


good good good.That's the big cleared site opposite Campbell Sq just up the road from the Casartelli. That is a big modern development, great. :cheers:

Just next door to this 17-25 Duke St, the site with blue hoardings in the distance.

rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Piling drill now in place and busying itself on this site.

27-35 Duke Street
Demolition of existing structures and erection of 7-storey building plus penthouse, 78 unit residential development and commercial use in basement and ground floor."

Carsatelli building photo studio almost finished being fitted out.


good good good.That's the big cleared site opposite Campbell Sq just up the road from the Casartelli. That is a big modern development, great. :cheers:

Just next door to this 17-25 Duke St, the site with blue hoardings in the distance.

http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/5904/z1725dukestterr6wv.jpg

The Pierse Homes development in Cleveland Square. They have made a very good job of restoring the old elevations, although I remember there was one building with a pediment to the roof that was demolished for the new development.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/040206-MS.jpg

A hair dressing salon and another restaurant (in the Community College) are the latest tendants of the East Village. Tower of Circle 101 staring down:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/0201066-MS.jpg

Anyone know if there are plans for more restaurants or retail on the ground floors at East Village? I reckon there is still a lot of unused space at the moment, which is a shame really. Il Forno and Sapporo seems to be very popular and the location just off Duke St is great.

The Pierse Homes development in Cleveland Square. They have made a very good job of restoring the old elevations, although I remember there was one building with a pediment to the roof that was demolished for the new development.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/040206-MS.jpg

I vaguely remember this derelict row of old buildings, this is a complete rebuild. Would have been good to see a before and after shot.

A new development on Henry st.

http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5552/zhenrystnewbuild19cw.jpg

Some photos from the weekend:

Work has finally started on the old concrete warehouse site a block up from the Cassartelli:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/1802061.jpg

Circle 101:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/1802062.jpg

The Foundry:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/1802063.jpg

Good pics, Martin. The weather's been really good for taking pics this week. The Circle 109 pic looks like it could be summer. I'll be trying to take a few tomorrow, where it'll probably be cloudy and miserable.

Good that's what we like to see, activity on new sites.

That pic in my previous post above is the rear of the Foundry shown in your last shot (didn't know that it was called the Foundry).

Thanks Martin. Circle 109 circle tower looking good.

The Foundry rendering posted in the Liverpool apartments thread this weekend.
http://www.falconerchester.co.uk/Resources/Images/b15a314c-100f-4896-80e3-4da3886cb346.jpg

[QUOTE=Martin S]Some photos from the weekend:

Work has finally started on the old concrete warehouse site a block up from the Cassartelli:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/1802061.jpgQUOTE]

Martin , nice photos, do we know whats being built on the site of the old warehouse?

Application no. 06A/0258 - Seel House, 29-35 Seel Street, Liverpool, L1 4AU

"Alicia Hotel"

To display 24 no. poster frames attached to windows for a temporary period during construction works..

Does this mean that work is soon to commence?

alicia hotel is that the one that has said it was gonna be a hotel about 4 years ago? Please help!

yes it is. they did mention that it wouldnt be on site til this year though, so maybe its about to kick off.

good this will add even more to a fast emerging area... would the hotel not be touch noisy with all the bars around... ? or are they just gonna appeal to the party crowd?

[QUOTE=Martin S]Some photos from the weekend:

Work has finally started on the old concrete warehouse site a block up from the Cassartelli:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/1802061.jpgQUOTE]

Martin , nice photos, do we know whats being built on the site of the old warehouse?


Does anyone know what is going on inside the Ayrton Senna laboratories?

they are apartments

More development and regeneration for Duke St/Parr St, next to the new apartments being built on the old NCP/Carwash site.

These are to be renovated, and a new 5 storey residential development built behind on Parr St.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9894/zmiddle127137dukest2ra.jpg

See planning details here (http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/Published/C00000307/M00005575/AI00024330/$Item12127137DukeSt.docA.ps.pdf)

I could be wrong, but remember something about one of these buildings being an important, historical Club many moons ago, something to do with America.

In fact iv'e just found this on a search,

Interesting Liverpool-American civil war info (http://www.redstarline.org.uk/civil_war_in_liverpool.html)


and it's actually this building 153 Duke St
http://www.redstarline.org.uk/images/civilwar/153dukestreet.jpg

I've been waiting years too see these regenerated nice one I'm made up now. :cheers:

Listed building will be transformed.


A CONSTRUCTION company has secured a £500,000 contract to transform a listed building in the heart of Liverpool city centre.

Liverpool-based Humes Building Contracts will refurbish the Grade II listed Georgian building in Duke Street. Eleven apartments will be built above the ground floor shop-front of the Ray Ross Print Factory, making sure many of the building's original features are not lost.

There will be a new entrance to the apartments from Duke Street, with a garden and second entrance at the back leading to the rest of the apartments from Henry Street.

English Heritage registered 96 Duke Street as a Grade II listed building after a planning application was put into the council.

Seel street hoarding has gone up in relation to the belated concert steps development.

I actually think work is imminent

does anyone have a picture of this develpment?

Piling drill now in place and busying itself on this site.

27-35 Duke Street
Demolition of existing structures and erection of 7-storey building plus penthouse, 78 unit residential development and commercial use in basement and ground floor."

Carsatelli building photo studio almost finished being fitted out.


good good good.
There's an application for the adjacent block,37-41 Duke st, for a 6 storey development, 61 flats. Application number:05f/3943. Duke st is really coming on now.

does anyone have a picture of this develpment?



No photos that I can find, but I think this proves that its finally off the ground.

From BigDig website...

Seel St
From Monday, 27th February this will be reduced to a single lane with temporary traffic signals for 50 weeks

Which links in nicely with the timeframe detailed below...

Concert Steps Phase III
A major development by Frenson Limited which will see a building at 25-27 Seel Street refurbished with a three storey glazed extension.

It will house shops, offices and apartments. The development also involves the creation of a pedestrian route from Fleet Street to Seel Street. New pedestrian routes will provide better linkage to the city centre and surrounding area. The new access will be beneficial for the residential development and the retail, business and commercial developments.

The extensive development is part of a continued investment in the Ropewalks area of the city and will contribute heavily to the regeneration of this area. Not only will this development make use of otherwise redundant resources but it will also contribute positively to the public spaces in the area, the environment and local economy.

Businesses in the area will have a greater confidence in themselves and the area through the improved safety of the locality, the increased trade from new visitors into the area, returning locals and residents of the newly built accommodation.

Road closures and pedestrian footpath closures are to be kept to a minimum in order to maintain 'business as usual' throughout the duration of the works. Although the works will cause disruption they will be beneficial to the area in the long run owing to a sustained increase in spending.

Work is due for completion in Summer 2007.

Buggedboy....
Is this the development site just up Seel St on the left past the Mscp, carpark.

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/9066/zseelstsitefordevelopment17di.jpg

The rear of this site is currently being cleared.

or actuall looking closer that above is 13 Seel St

This may be the one
http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/2411/zseelstconcertst12hw.jpg

37 - 41 Duke Street, Liverpool 1 (Riverside Ward) PDF 97 K

To consider a recommendation that Application No 05F/3943 to erect 6 storey building comprising mixed development of commercial floorspace with ground and basement car parking and 61 apartments following demolition of existing buildings, at 37 - 41 Duke Street, Liverpool 1, be granted subject to the conditions proposed by the Planning Manager and a legal agreement.

Additional documents:

duke street L1 PDF 44 K

http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/Published/C00000307/M00004727/AI00024873/$Item43741DukeStreet.docA.ps.pdf

theres a piccy of the above development in the planning report. Could someone crop it and post? Looks quite tidy actually.

http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/Published/C00000307/M00004727/AI00024873/$Item43741DukeStreet.docA.ps.pdf

theres a piccy of the above development in the planning report. Could someone crop it and post? Looks quite tidy actually.

There we go it looks good, and replaces an ugly low level concrete carbuncle. :)
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/3660/3741dukest6hq.jpg
This is the rear elevation on Gradwell St.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4341/zgradwellstwarehouse26li.jpg
I think this is the lone warehouse as shown to the right of the above rendering.

they've used a nice choice of cars in that render :cheers:

Elysian Fields, while taking these pics I thought this area would've made a great square!!!


http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4792/elysianfields56mx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/88/elysianfields63qn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6268/elysianfields75ad.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Seel St. coming on nicely but with a lot still to do


http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9546/seelst11md.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/5562/seelst21mn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Anyone know who or what Brockbank & Mellor were??


http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/1303/seelst39cc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6569/seelst49cs.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/5167/seelst53lc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

fourth picture down: turned out really well, looks like new, presume that those bricks have been cleaned

Great pictures in this rare sunny day of late.

The picture 5th down show's how uplifted the entire street can be, if all the properties are cleaned and restored. The less dereliction around in the city centre the more business and people will be attracted.

Frenson...get a move on and restore these buildings.

Doug,

Brilliant pics, thanks mate. I used to go to a second hand book shop on Seel st in the 90s and it's amazing to see it change- I'd completely forgotten about the place. The house to the right of your 5th pic is what it looked like all the way up the street- a relentless channel of decay it was. It was really atmospheric, and felt like an old-time New York back street, with loads of broken down buildings and litter n stuff.

It's looking great already! It's the kind of street that would automatically benefit from even piece meal re-development, but it looks like a big effort is being made to turn it around.

Just Googled Brockbank and Mellor.- i found it on a website about what seems to be expensive liquers..

248 V.O.G Special Liqueur-Early 20th Century

Sole Proprietors, Brockbank & Mellor, Liverpool. Hand blown green glass bottle, driven cork, plain lead capsule. Level: top of shoulder

Provenance: Christie’s, Glasgow

1 bottle £150-180.180

Thanks fellas, Blab I'll have a look at that site later thanks for the info.

Plans for a six storey appartment block in the heart of the Ropewalks have been approved.

The C Shaped building,which includes three ground floor shops,will replace a former kitchen outlet in Duke Street.

It will have 60 flats.

Liverpool was like a `20 bedroom house` with only four or five people living in it .....

That was obviously due to lots of facters ..... like forced `closedowns` which effected corner shops and pubs and the city centre.

Low and behold.

Regeneration.

We have people in the life blood.....

Elysian Fields

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/5752/ropewalks1march068fz.jpg

Duke St, no progress on this site and no visible progress on the site of the old car park.

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/1456/ropewalks2march064eu.jpg

The Jam Works, next to the Tea Factory

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/5983/ropewalks3march066bc.jpg

Duke St, still lots left to do and still no progress on the Scandinavian Hotel site.

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/2566/ropewalks4march065kk.jpg

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/9989/ropewalks5march063ig.jpg

The Foundry

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4328/ropewalks6march061yj.jpg

Circle 109

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9659/ropewalks7march066uw.jpg

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/797/ropewalks8march062wj.jpg

Looking from East Village

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5707/ropewalks9march060ob.jpg

Perhaps when the hoarding states Coming Soon, it means sometime before 2008? Duke Street will be one of the best streets in town - when it's finished.

^^ The developer's website (http://www.langtreegroup.co.uk/) says, "Planning permission received, due onsite October 2006."

Render:

http://www.langtreegroup.co.uk/cmsimages/dukest1.jpg

The website states that Langtree are planning to develop the Garden Festival site, in a joint venture with David McLean, "Awaiting submission of planning application."

The under threat Parr Street Studios, Phil Collins doesn't need an extra 1/2m quid certainly not by destroying this asset.


http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9928/dsc016603lg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/778/dsc016610yu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6384/dsc016629mt.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Great pics. What's the latest news on the Parr Street studios situation?

^^ The developer's website (http://www.langtreegroup.co.uk/) says, "Planning permission received, due onsite October 2006."

Render:

http://www.langtreegroup.co.uk/cmsimages/dukest1.jpg

The website states that Langtree are planning to develop the Garden Festival site, in a joint venture with David McLean, "Awaiting submission of planning application."



Thats a wee rustrating. I was involved in a tender for that building. Our project got through to last 3 but was turned down. We would have finished the project by late summer this year as well, with a similar design, but more community facilities and an art gallery/cafe on the ground floor.

Elysian fields forever.......growing some foundations.
http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/9944/zelysianfieldsforever16iw.jpg

Sorry this one is a bit dark, new development, (near the MSCP Seel St), retaining the facade.
http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/5900/zseelstreetnewsite14nn.jpg

Anyone got a render of what this will look like :cheers:

Spotted this crane yesterday, Pierse Homes site on the corner of Duke St and Campbell St.


http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7342/dsc020169em.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4938/dsc020178wa.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


This is where the site is.


http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1538/rapid2a3cn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That's behind Gostins isn't it, with Paradise Street to the right? Cracking pics as always Doug.

Thanks Bunny, yes on the last pic with the red marking, Gostins building is the one on the right. I wonder if this new building will be the same height as the old warehouse and the Gostin building, it certainly wouldn't look out of place if it was!!

Thanks Bunny, yes on the last pic with the red marking, Gostins building is the one on the right. I wonder if this new building will be the same height as the old warehouse and the Gostin building, it certainly wouldn't look out of place if it was!!

Doug, your prayers are answered, see Juxty post #141 dated march 13 on the Ropewalks thread for render of 7 storey apartment block.

Woops, almost forgot smashing pics as always, :)
Oh and well done :sleepy: for nickin the cup :sleepy:

Just a minor correction Woody. That render above, post #141 is for the Left hand side of the tall warehouse shown in Dougs picture above. I have seen a render for the site marked in red, but can't remember where. It is a modern 8ish storey building, of about 85 apartments.

Just a minor correction Woody. That render above, post #141 is for the Left hand side of the tall warehouse shown in Dougs picture above. I have seen a render for the site marked in red, but can't remember where. It is a modern 8ish storey building, of about 85 apartments.

Thanks for the correction Juxty, I knew a render had been posted showing that tall isolated warehouse with a apartment block next to it ,I put 2 & 2 together and got 5 :)

Liverpool Vision are putting on a walk and future visioning for the Ropewalks area that shold be extremely interesting...
Date: Tuesday 13 June
Meet: Concert Square (Modo)
Time: 11.30am - 1.00pm

Demand for this walk should be extremely high and places are limited so email Pam to book your place asap?
pcarroll@liverpoolvision.co.uk

http://www.liverpoolvision.co.uk/news/shownews.asp?recordid=123

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/7333/dsc02763no.jpg

Circle 109 just about complete

What a great pic!

Those 'Dutch' houses right down at the bottom of the pic shows that not everything downtgown has to be high rise and apartments.... just most of it!

Steve, you are taking remarkable pictures at the moment - they are incredibly clear I love looking at them. I'm afraid mine are not as good but I took loads last weekend so I will share some more anymore. I'm not sure if I've got the "quarter" designation correct for all of them, I can't get used to these new fangled quarters, Rope this and Baltic that, but I hope they are roughly in the right place.

Cleveland Square

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6429/rope75hp.jpg

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/816/rope42ph.jpg

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3513/rope31ne.jpg

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/5343/rope56qw.jpg

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/5921/rope64np.jpg

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4628/rope27sx.th.jpg (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rope27sx.jpg)

Don't know what is going on with imageshack, I've loaded this one at the right size, but if you click on it, you get a very big image...too big really.

Poli both yourself and Steve C have been posting some great pics the last few days, thanks to both of you!! keep 'em coming.

Steve, you are taking remarkable pictures at the moment - they are incredibly clear I love looking at them. I'm afraid mine are not as good but I took loads last weekend so I will share some more anymore. I'm not sure if I've got the "quarter" designation correct for all of them, I can't get used to these new fangled quarters, Rope this and Baltic that, but I hope they are roughly in the right place.

Cleveland Square

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6429/rope75hp.jpg

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/816/rope42ph.jpg

Both great Pics Pol, (and Steve!)

I like the number of ground floor retail units that are going in - it has to add to the day time and night time ambience and make the area feel worth exploring and indeed safe.

The second pic Pol shows a small square by that suberb new bar and resturant (whose name is on the tip of my tongue) (which is out of sight but would be to the left handside <<<<< ) it`s in a former 17th Century Jail???

Really excellent and from the first floor resturant windows you can see out over the square and the new apartments which appear very bright, the square is nicely lit and is a very attractive development all round - not large scale by any stretch of the imagination but fits in nicely and is a bit of an eye opener.

Ropewalks may have been a slow starter due to the early mishandling of the redevelopment funds but it`s gathering pace very nicely with oodles more potential.

Old and new!
Large and small and very very cosmopolitan!

Both great Pics Pol, (and Steve!)

I like the number of ground floor retail units that are going in - it has to add to the day time and night time ambience and make the area feel worth exploring and indeed safe.

The second pic Pol shows a small square by that suberb new bar and resturant (whose name is on the tip of my tongue) (which is out of sight but would be to the left handside <<<<< ) it`s in a former 17th Century Jail???

Really excellent and from the first floor resturant windows you can see out over the square and the new apartments which appear very bright, the square is nicely lit and is a very attractive development all round - not large scale by any stretch of the imagination but fits in nicely and is a bit of an eye opener.

Ropewalks may have been a slow starter due to the early mishandling of the redevelopment funds but it`s gathering pace very nicely with oodles more potential.

Old and new!
Large and small and very very cosmopolitan!
The bridewell campbell sq,Pie. It's an old police station from the 1860's.

Hope I've got the right quarter again, but to be honest I don't know this scene at all, not sure what I was looking at.

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/3884/p10307209hy.jpg

That is the site of a new apartments development in Ropewalks, with The old bridewell in Campbell Sq, just visible behind. Ropewalks is roughly bounded by Bold St and Duke St, (the long streets for making rope for the ships), although this does extend behind Duke St also.

Description of Ropewalks and other areas.
liverpoolvision (http://www.liverpoolvision.co.uk/actionareas/ropewalks.asp)

Thanks Juxta, I was surprised to see an old bridewell there, as I never knew it existed. I only knew about the main one in town - is that still open?

The bridewell campbell sq,Pie. It's an old police station from the 1860's.

Thanks Golden, that`s the place!

Well worth a visit and a bit spooky sitting in the `cells` having a drink - gives new meaning to drunk and (dis)orders.

Resturant upstairs was excellent and I don`t think expensive for the quality.

I`ve refound this link, which has a reasonable picture of the exterior half way down the article.

(although I`m surprised it only dates back to the 1860`s and what I once upon a time read suggested earlier - one the other hand it shows you the difference between 1860`s architecture and 1900`s architecture......)

http://www.british-publishing.com/Pages/Liverpool2004/48hours.html

Cheers :cheers:

Hope I've got the right quarter again, but to be honest I don't know this scene at all, not sure what I was looking at.

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/3884/p10307209hy.jpg

Excellent!

I like the top of that new apartment building - if it`s a penthouse I want it!

Make a nice bar / resturant though?

Does anyone know it`s future use?

Thanks for all the pics Poli, you`re saving my poor feet no end except that I`ll just have to go for more long walks when I`m next in the `Pool.`

I'm pretty sure that it was Beetham who did that one.

I'm pretty sure that it was Beetham who did that one.

Why does the `X Building` suddenly spring to mind?

Is it that one?

Between `X Buildings` and `Project Xs` etc we`ll soon be playing noughts and crosses!

Thanks Juxta, I was surprised to see an old bridewell there, as I never knew it existed. I only knew about the main one in town - is that still open?

This is the main one near Hatton Garden with new mini tower next door. This is currently unused, but will possibly be redeveloped (building retained), for hotel use.

http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/5514/zgardenquarter1sp.jpg

Why does the `X Building` suddenly spring to mind?

Is it that one?

The X Building is the other side of town, behind Old Hall Street (Prussia Street? :?)

That one is down the bottom of Duke/Henry Streets, near Liver Street car park. :)

The X Building is the other side of town, behind Old Hall Street (Prussia Street? :?)

That one is down the bottom of Duke/Henry Streets, near Liver Street car park. :)

Thank you Bunny,

I knew if I asked a stupid question.....

`X` marks the spot!

I did think that the `X` building was behind Old Hall Street but I also thought that that one was a Beetham Project?

Nevermind, I`m getting slightly addled watching the `Eurovision` contest!

:) :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Cleveland Square frontage of the Argyle Street development. An exact copy of what was there before, looks like they used recovered bricks for part of it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/060520-1.jpg

Cleveland Square frontage of the Argyle Street development. An exact copy of what was there before, looks like they used recovered bricks for part of it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Ropewalks/060520-1.jpg

I like this because it sort of normalises living downtown and in it`s own way looks like so many places around Liverpool were people so often lived above shops and facilities.

It builds community in diversity.

More detailed info on the Lever Court development on Duke Street now available:
http://www.andrewlouis.co.uk/home/resources/images/newdevelopments/brochures/2404052006.pdf

Cheers Red, does look a classy development

Yes thanks Red. Unless I'm mistaken, this is the one on the north side of the street toward the river end, where there was a concrete warehouse building demolished about two years ago. The site lay derelict for a while but work started on the foundations a few months ago.

got this photo of the new image of Phase IV of Concert Steps.

Not great pic, but its a cameraphone job and the render isnt too crackin anyway.

You can see Seel St running along the bottom, with the steps in question being in the gap between the cylindrical structure and the building taking in the old Seel St frontage.



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Is this the site shown here below, on Seel St.

http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/5900/zseelstreetnewsite14nn.jpg

Site from MSCP
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/1799/zseelstfrommscp4og.jpg

That's the bugger. Not sure what the development is to contain. Mixed use I would have thought.

Well that is interesting! Hmmmm,

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/business/news/tm_objectid=17192406%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=firm%2dpulls%2dout%2dof%2dhotel%2dplan-name_page.html

Firm pulls out of hotel plan Jun 7 2006

By Neil Hodgson Industry Reporter, Liverpool Echo


PLANS to develop a hotel in the heart of the city have collapsed.

Bristol hotels group Alias planned to open a 70-room hotel in the former Seel House Press building in Seel Street this year.

But the company has pulled out and put the site on the market for £3m.

A spokeswoman said: "We have put the property up for sale. We are currently in the process of being refinanced."

She said the distinctive Rope Walks area property, which has lain derelict for almost 20 years since the commercial printing firm closed, is likely to be bought either by another hotelier or developers of luxury apartments.

"It is a great property and I am sure that someone will develop it properly," she added.

Alias bought the site for an undisclosed sum in 2002 and was working on plans to open it as the Alias Hotel St Louis.

It would have been their fifth development in total.

Previously Alias had set up the Alias Kandinsky in Cheltenham, the Alias Seattle in Brighton, the Alias Barcelona in Exeter and most recently the Alias Rossetti in Piccadilly, Manchester.

Former Alias Hotels marketing director Rupert Kenyon said at the time that the Liverpool development would have created about 75 new jobs at peak times.

He had pledged: "It will be a fantastic development for ourselves and for the city."

Rooms in other Alias hotels have CD/DVD players, monsoon showers and broadband internet access in all bedrooms.

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Sounds a bit like cash back!!

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/business/news/tm_objectid=17192406%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=firm%2dpulls%2dout%2dof%2dhotel%2dplan-name_page.html

Firm pulls out of hotel plan Jun 7 2006

By Neil Hodgson Industry Reporter, Liverpool Echo


PLANS to develop a hotel in the heart of the city have collapsed.

Bristol hotels group Alias planned to open a 70-room hotel in the former Seel House Press building in Seel Street this year.

But the company has pulled out and put the site on the market for £3m.

A spokeswoman said: "We have put the property up for sale. We are currently in the process of being refinanced."

She said the distinctive Rope Walks area property, which has lain derelict for almost 20 years since the commercial printing firm closed, is likely to be bought either by another hotelier or developers of luxury apartments.

"It is a great property and I am sure that someone will develop it properly," she added.

Alias bought the site for an undisclosed sum in 2002 and was working on plans to open it as the Alias Hotel St Louis.

It would have been their fifth development in total.

Previously Alias had set up the Alias Kandinsky in Cheltenham, the Alias Seattle in Brighton, the Alias Barcelona in Exeter and most recently the Alias Rossetti in Piccadilly, Manchester.

Former Alias Hotels marketing director Rupert Kenyon said at the time that the Liverpool development would have created about 75 new jobs at peak times.

He had pledged: "It will be a fantastic development for ourselves and for the city."

Rooms in other Alias hotels have CD/DVD players, monsoon showers and broadband internet access in all bedrooms.

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Sounds a bit like cash back!!

well thank god for that, this proposal was taking on walton-esq proportions and i ma finally glad that they have admitted they are to do nothing with it!

Still i bet they turn a nice profit though!

Is this the site shown here below, on Seel St.
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Site from MSCP
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/1799/zseelstfrommscp4og.jpg

I used to work in that (now demolished?) building, it was my second job after I left school. Although not special in any architectural sense, it (was) part of the overall thing that made Seel Street full of character - are they retaining the facade or is something totally new going in its place? That picture looks like they've gutted it but kept the walls up. For years it was an auction house, and there were various importer businesses also in there.

http://skyscrapercity.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=8798618

Hotel owner ends battle Jun 9 2006

Liverpool Echo

THE owner of a landmark Liverpool hotel has withdrawn his appeal against its compulsory purchase.

Businessman Shook Kwan "Jimmy" Wong said today he had been told he was not likely to win his battle at the high court next week over the future of the Scandinavia Hotel.

The Chinatown building is on the ECHO's Stop the Rot hitlist.

It was the subject of a compulsory purchase order (CPO) after the city council claimed a lack of progress on restoring the site was holding up regeneration in the Rope Walks area.

Mr Wong appealed against the CPO and a three-day public inquiry was held last June whichfound in favour of the city.

But Mr Wong, who has plans to turn the building into a restaurant, snooker hall and oriental museum, took his battle to the high court saying he was concerned the inquiry had not been conducted properly.

He said today he still felt he had been treated unfairly, but added: "I was told I just could not win it.

"But I haven't given up fighting. It's now in the hands of my solicitor and I will let him decide the next move."

Letters of support for Mr Wong had been sent to the high court, including one from Cllr Joe Anderson.

Mr Wong owns 30% of the site, facing on to Nelson Street, and holds a lease on the remainder which is owned by development company Frenson.

Liverpool city council could not give more details on what would happen next. It has previously signed an agreement with developers Downing for a £14m hotel, offices and residential scheme on the site.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------Cash back!!

Lets hope the Scandinavian Hotel can soon be developed by Downing. Once it is it will be a massive improvement to Chinatown and Ropewalks. Can't understand why it has to takes forever to get going.

Liverpolitan:

They are keeping the facade, which is sandstone and looks quite unique.

A SIX-YEAR battle to transform one of Liverpool's key gateway sites was a step further to being resolved last night when a court case was ditched at the last minute.

Chinatown's derelict Scandinavian Hotel will be developed into a four-star hotel complex after its owner Jimmy Wong withdrew his appeal against a decision to let Liverpool council acquire the site by compulsory purchase (CPO).

It means developer Downing can move in to build the boutique hotel - but not until after another legal case to decide Mr Wong's compensation.

Ann Lodge, Downing's chief executive, said: "We have kept on fighting for this building because we are very proactive in Liverpool and we think it is an ideal location for a development such as this.

"It is in a very prominent position next to the Chinese arch and a gateway to the city, so it has always been our intention to do this."

Ms Lodge said the company was hoping to start building as soon as the compensation case was resolved.

The facade of the listed building will be retained, with a modern extension behind. There would also be a "cultural building" for the Chinese community, although plans are not finalised.

Mr Wong had hoped to develop the building, at the junction of Nelson Street and Duke Street, in to a 600-seat restaurant, snooker hall and Oriental museum, with a rooftop garden.

Last night he said: "I'm disappointed that I have not been allowed to develop the building. It has always been my dream to develop this building in Chinatown on behalf of the Chinese community and I am now being denied this opportunity.

"I withdrew the appeal against the CPO on the advice of my legal team. I just hope now that I will be given a realistic compensation for the loss of my building.

"I think a big opportunity has been missed to allow a member of Europe's oldest Chinatown to develop a building in the heart of Chinatown that would reflect its Chinese origins."

Cllr Joe Anderson, leader of the Labour group on the city council, had backed Mr Wong's fight, saying the city council was only taking on small businesses because it knew it could win.

He said: "It is tantamount to bullying because he is a man who owns the building and wants to develop it.

"The city council should be putting pressure on people to do things about derelict buildings, but in the past he hasn't had the means to raise the finance.

"However, he has now done more than £100,000 of work on the building and has had support from his bank to renovate it. He has been able to prove that he would have it ready in time for 2008."

Just been speaking to Pam Carrol at Liverpool Vision who organised today's Downtown Week walk of Ropewalks.

She was made up, but she didn't take her camera.

If any of you lot went... and it you took your camera and have some shots of the group etc could you send her some?

pam.carroll@liverpoolvision.co.uk

She is a great girl and LV are buzzing about next years one now!!!!
(10th - 17th June 07... put it in your diaries and get your thinking caps on?)

Elysian Fields crane.


http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/6194/dsc022792ng.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Never seen this before, some sort of bracing contraption for the underground CP.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2285/dsc022800zf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:lol: They look like sewer pipes. Cowboy builders eh?

[QUOTE=Doug Roberts]Elysian Fields crane.


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Never seen this before, some sort of bracing contraption for the underground CP.QUOTE]

Thanks for pics Doug, that cross bracing is often seen in highway jobs, (cut and cover tunnels ) to ensure no collapse problems ,could be that a fair bit of excavation for underground CP is still required.

Surely thay are just the old drains and services etc that have existed under the site and are intended to continue being used?

Surely thay are just the old drains and services etc that have existed under the site and are intended to continue being used?

No Tony they are temporary braces fixed from pile cap to pile cap. I am sure Martin can expand on there use ,but I am sure they are to ensure no undue stress on the piles as they excavate deeper.
Drains and services are usually diverted around a new development.

Residents' joy at city flats deal Jun 19 2006

STRANDED residents should finally be moved out of their homes after a deal was struck to end years of delays.

Dozens of people have been waiting to leave flats in Great George Street, on the edge of Liverpool city centre, so a regeneration scheme can start.

The multi-million pound plan will see about 190 flats bulldozed and replaced with 600 new properties.

It was unveiled by Liverpool council about three years ago, but less than half the flats have been demolished and building work has yet to start.

They are waiting to be temporarily rehoused, before moving back into the new Great GeorgeStreet development.


Now the council has sealed adeal with developer Urban Splash to try and break the deadlock holding up the scheme.


The firm will takeover the buying and demolition of the remaining flats to try to clear the area as quickly as possible.


Riverside Cllr Paul Brant said residents must be reassured that they will be moved back into Great George Street once work is complete.


He said: "The council should have reached an agreement with the developer two years ago


"I welcome progress, but it is essential that enough properties are built to rehouse all the residents."


Cllr Peter Millea, executive member for regeneration, said: "With some developments, weset out on a particular route which does not work out for a number of reasons.


"Despite what people say, these areas remain popular with people who have lived there all their lives, and it is difficult to get them out and start building as quickly as we would like.


"We think this plan is the best way forward and, although there has been a delay, it should let us build as soon as the last people have left.


"We want to make sure those people are offered first refusal on the first new properties in the area, so it is a delicate balancing act."

Residents' joy at city flats deal Jun 19 2006

STRANDED residents should finally be moved out of their homes after a deal was struck to end years of delays.

Dozens of people have been waiting to leave flats in Great George Street, on the edge of Liverpool city centre, so a regeneration scheme can start.

The multi-million pound plan will see about 190 flats bulldozed and replaced with 600 new properties.

It was unveiled by Liverpool council about three years ago, but less than half the flats have been demolished and building work has yet to start.

They are waiting to be temporarily rehoused, before moving back into the new Great GeorgeStreet development.


Now the council has sealed adeal with developer Urban Splash to try and break the deadlock holding up the scheme.


The firm will takeover the buying and demolition of the remaining flats to try to clear the area as quickly as possible.


Riverside Cllr Paul Brant said residents must be reassured that they will be moved back into Great George Street once work is complete.


He said: "The council should have reached an agreement with the developer two years ago


"I welcome progress, but it is essential that enough properties are built to rehouse all the residents."


Cllr Peter Millea, executive member for regeneration, said: "With some developments, weset out on a particular route which does not work out for a number of reasons.


"Despite what people say, these areas remain popular with people who have lived there all their lives, and it is difficult to get them out and start building as quickly as we would like.


"We think this plan is the best way forward and, although there has been a delay, it should let us build as soon as the last people have left.


"We want to make sure those people are offered first refusal on the first new properties in the area, so it is a delicate balancing act."


These are just opposite Poli's new Everton Stadium.

Some pics from the weekend.

Circle 109, I really like this development, the colour scheme is one you might see more of in Spain but I think it works well here.


http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1541/circle10939rq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1899/circle10947bc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/4932/circle10951ng.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Duke St. need to clear away the hanging gardens on this building, a real gem lurking in there!!

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1668/dukest3tl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


I think this is Suffolk St. there are a number of streets in and around Ropewalks and the Baltic Triangle that are blocked off. I'm not sure what the residents would say but I think it is about time these streets were un-blocked. Speed humps and cameras might be needed to slow traffic down but restoring a working street plan I think would be good.

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6841/dsc022922zn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Some pics from the weekend.

Circle 109, I really like this development, the colour scheme is one you might see more of in Spain but I think it works well here.


http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1541/circle10939rq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1899/circle10947bc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/4932/circle10951ng.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Duke St. need to clear away the hanging gardens on this building, a real gem lurking in there!!

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1668/dukest3tl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


I think this is Suffolk St. there are a number of streets in and around Ropewalks and the Baltic Triangle that are blocked off. I'm not sure what the residents would say but I think it is about time these streets were un-blocked. Speed humps and cameras might be needed to slow traffic down but restoring a working street plan I think would be good.

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6841/dsc022922zn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Good pics Doug. Rumour is ,they are having problems selling those apartments in the Circle 109 block. The Georgian house on Duke st is a fine building, if a little grotty,all the original features are still there though.Strangely it's not "listed" probably because our "friends" at EH haven't got off their arses to look at it.

Great pics again Doug. :cheers:

Great pics Doug, I took some myself around there recently and will have to post them soon. When I was walking around I couldn't help wondering how long that lowrise housing estate is going to last. They must be sitting on prime development land there, and as the city grows out towards the docks, and the baltic triangle is growing into ropewalks they're going to become and odd residential island stuck in the middle. Be interesting to see what happens in the next few years (assuming they can sell the apartments they're currently building)

Originally Posted by the Golden Vision.
Rumour is ,they are having problems selling those apartments in the Circle 109 block

I was parked up around that area one late afternoon(hoping to take photo's of the Circle 109 building), when a scabby looking red Ford escort pulled up and a kid on a bike (with a mobile phone) chatted to the occupants. The car drove off, and the kid came up to me tapped on the window (which i wound down by 2cm only), and he asked "Who i was waiting for", i said "no one" he then asked more questions, was looking around (probably spotted my camera), accused me of being police and threatened me, and asked what i was doing. I was annoyed at this kid infringing my liberty and thought to myself "Fook off you little drug dealing Tw@t" but I actually said "none of your bizzniss innit" incase he had a gun down his trakkie to pop a cap in my ass, he took offence and said "im off to get some people to sort you out", so on seeing a gang of yobbos he cycled towards watching nearby, i decided it would be a good idea to leave.

There is a dangerous edge to that area, what with the soon to be demolished but still occupied housing around St Georges Sq, and i have been put off from walking around there with a camera. I have known of many vehicles having their windows smashed around there also, and could see broken glass from where a car used to be parked. So i wonder if this is what is putting off buyers...!

I was parked up around that area one late afternoon(hoping to take photo's of the Circle 109 building), when a scabby looking red Ford escort pulled up and a kid on a bike (with a mobile phone) chatted to the occupants. The car drove off, and the kid came up to me tapped on the window (which i wound down by 2cm only), and he asked "Who i was waiting for", i said "no one" he then asked more questions, was looking around (probably spotted my camera), accused me of being police and threatened me, and asked what i was doing. I was annoyed at this kid infringing my liberty and thought to myself "Fook off you little drug dealing Tw@t" but I actually said "none of your bizzniss innit" incase he had a gun down his trakkie to pop a cap in my ass, he took offence and said "im off to get some people to sort you out", so on seeing a gang of yobbos he cycled towards watching nearby, i decided it would be a good idea to leave.

There is a dangerous edge to that area, what with the soon to be demolished but still occupied housing around St Georges Sq, and i have been put off from walking around there with a camera. I have known of many vehicles having their windows smashed around there also, and could see broken glass from where a car used to be parked. So i wonder if this is what is putting off buyers...!

use to live around there and i would agree with your comments, whilst the slum housing still exists at the top of this area then these cretins will always be here. car crime is the biggest porblem, usually to feed habits but this area will improve when they level the rest of the shit hole at the top... this i belive is not far away

Good to see that they have such respect for the law around there i wonder what they would say if you told them that you were the police.

Arseholes!!!!!

I really like `Circle 109` and I think it adds something different to the area.

I also like `East Village` in general - it has some thing to offer everyone, open space, squares and fountains and resturants and other commercial possibilities.

They will of course challenge some `locals` who dont have a foot hold in the future as their mindset is too firmly set in the past of decay and they won`t want interlopers on `their patch`

Sorry honey read your history books Liverpool is `cosmopolitan` and is the future.

"It`s a blessing to welcome the stranger"............

I think Circle 109 is one of the best placed redevelopments in the city. :cheers:

I was parked up around that area one late afternoon(hoping to take photo's of the Circle 109 building), when a scabby looking red Ford escort pulled up and a kid on a bike (with a mobile phone) chatted to the occupants. The car drove off, and the kid came up to me tapped on the window (which i wound down by 2cm only), and he asked "Who i was waiting for", i said "no one" he then asked more questions, was looking around (probably spotted my camera), accused me of being police and threatened me, and asked what i was doing. I was annoyed at this kid infringing my liberty and thought to myself "Fook off you little drug dealing Tw@t" but I actually said "none of your bizzniss innit" incase he had a gun down his trakkie to pop a cap in my ass, he took offence and said "im off to get some people to sort you out", so on seeing a gang of yobbos he cycled towards watching nearby, i decided it would be a good idea to leave.

There is a dangerous edge to that area, what with the soon to be demolished but still occupied housing around St Georges Sq, and i have been put off from walking around there with a camera. I have known of many vehicles having their windows smashed around there also, and could see broken glass from where a car used to be parked. So i wonder if this is what is putting off buyers...!
probably is Juxt, my sister lives in the Baltic triangle, she had her car broken into at 2'clock in the afternoon, in Henry st,just by circle 109,she only left it 20 minutes.Even though the area looks ok,it's still dodgy,mind you it's improved a lot, it used to be notorious.

I agree with you Juxta, when I was walking round that area I got a distinctly uncomfortable feeling, as though I was being watched through numerous grubby net curtains as I went by with my camera.

I love the Circle development, I think it really stands out amongst the sandy brick of the rest of the ropewalks area and has quite a cosmopolitan feel to it. And the backdrop of the Anglican cathedral is fantastic.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/818/circle20is.jpg

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1163/circle10ke.jpg

It's going to be a great row when they finish the foundry just to the left in this picture

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This picture shows how the density of the Baltic triangle towers over the low rise estate which is becoming a low rise residential island in an increasingly valuable area of town - how much longer can it last?

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6773/imgp01598fd.jpg

In this shot you can see the edge of town closing in on the estate, surely this land will soon become so valuable to developers that they'll make offers that the residents can't refuse, although you're bound to get one or two stubborn oldies who slow the entire process up by several years..

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It`s a dreadful shame that we should be talking about peoples homes and turfing them out when `they` helped repopulate the `inner city downtown` when others didn`t give a twopence half penny damn before.

It makes Liverpool no better than China - turfing people out of their homes just for commercial advantage.

Little suberbia meets mega shopping etc.

However I do think that `little suberbia` will sell out eventually.

Some good quality mid-talls for the current residents with generous balconys with views and a public park might save the day to everyones advantage.

It`s a dreadful shame that we should be talking about peoples homes and turfing them out when `they` helped repopulate the `inner city downtown` when others didn`t give a twopence half penny damn before.

It makes Liverpool no better than China - turfing people out of their homes just for commercial advantage.

Little suberbia meets mega shopping etc.

However I do think that `little suberbia` will sell out eventually.

Some good quality mid-talls for the current residents with generous balconys with views and a public park might save the day to everyones advantage.

I know what you mean, I'm not suggesting we move in with bulldozers any time soon, it's more a pragmatic question, is it sustainable to have such low density housing on such prime land this close to the city centre?

And it's not as if we're talking about lovely georgian terraces here, or even architecturally interesting 60's housing.. this are really grotty little monopoly houses of no asthetic or historic value (ok, they are technically historic, but some history you don't wanna keep).

And either way, they're going to win because they're sitting on an ever growing gold mine. The only people who will loose are the ones who are totally adament that they must live in that exact house on that exact spot for the rest of their lives. I assume most people there own their own houses, so they're bound to make a killing when developers have exhausted all the renovations on surrounding sites. The trouble is, when people get a sniff of money, they'll hold out until they get every penny they can get, and eventually it gets messy and drawn out and the council have to move in with CPO's - be nicer if they all got offered so much money that they either bought up some of the currently vacent studio flats in the area, or moved into the new developments to be built on the same spot, or bought a nice little mansion in the country... either way, everyone's a winna. :cheers:

Hmmm, i was under the impression these houses were owned by the city council

It certainly isn't sustainable to have that type of hyper-low density and configuration of housing.... anywhere!

It certainly isn't sustainable to have that type of hyper-low density and configuration of housing.... anywhere!

And yet it's everywhere in our city! What's particularly striking about this example though is it's proximity to the city centre, and the fact that development is slowly surrounding it. I never even knew it existed until I walked down that way recently.

I know what you mean, I'm not suggesting we move in with bulldozers any time soon, it's more a pragmatic question, is it sustainable to have such low density housing on such prime land this close to the city centre?

And it's not as if we're talking about lovely georgian terraces here, or even architecturally interesting 60's housing.. this are really grotty little monopoly houses of no asthetic or historic value (ok, they are technically historic, but some history you don't wanna keep).

And either way, they're going to win because they're sitting on an ever growing gold mine. The only people who will loose are the ones who are totally adament that they must live in that exact house on that exact spot for the rest of their lives. I assume most people there own their own houses, so they're bound to make a killing when developers have exhausted all the renovations on surrounding sites. The trouble is, when people get a sniff of money, they'll hold out until they get every penny they can get, and eventually it gets messy and drawn out and the council have to move in with CPO's - be nicer if they all got offered so much money that they either bought up some of the currently vacent studio flats in the area, or moved into the new developments to be built on the same spot, or bought a nice little mansion in the country... either way, everyone's a winna. :cheers:
These people lived in shithole tenements until they were demolished in the 80's.It's an old city centre city community,some are now privately owned some are council property,any decisions about demolition or anything else should be made by that community and nobody else.

I fully agree Tom, all I was trying to highlight is the fact that this type of housing is bad for any community anywhere... downtown, the waste of land becomes criminal!

People forced onto estates like this face all of the consequences of 'urban' dysfunctionalsim we go on about on here. They are hardly able to form a community, never mind tap the potential of their neighbours needs to improve things.... peole on these estates have to wallow in whatevr circumstances befall them... you can't generate a shop, a community or amenity centre as there are just too few people to maintain anything!

GV... it must be asked though what that community is... what about the ones who where decanted, should they be given a say, especially if the prospect is for high density social housing to for a major part of any redevelopment.

If you look at Holy Cross... a 'community' of 80 houses that used to have 16k sould living there. Are we really to be stuck with that type of housing now because the current residents would be given a veto.



Also the tenements where only crap holes because the council ran the down that way.... putting families in the well maintained Bull Ring (that used to also be a horrible shit hole, when the council abused,,,soryy, ran them) would be great... would it not?

I am not saying that the people there should have no say at all... but to give them an effective veto should not be allowed either.

I know what you mean, I'm not suggesting we move in with bulldozers any time soon, it's more a pragmatic question, is it sustainable to have such low density housing on such prime land this close to the city centre?

And it's not as if we're talking about lovely georgian terraces here, or even architecturally interesting 60's housing.. this are really grotty little monopoly houses of no asthetic or historic value (ok, they are technically historic, but some history you don't wanna keep).

And either way, they're going to win because they're sitting on an ever growing gold mine. The only people who will loose are the ones who are totally adament that they must live in that exact house on that exact spot for the rest of their lives. I assume most people there own their own houses, so they're bound to make a killing when developers have exhausted all the renovations on surrounding sites. The trouble is, when people get a sniff of money, they'll hold out until they get every penny they can get, and eventually it gets messy and drawn out and the council have to move in with CPO's - be nicer if they all got offered so much money that they either bought up some of the currently vacent studio flats in the area, or moved into the new developments to be built on the same spot, or bought a nice little mansion in the country... either way, everyone's a winna. :cheers:
"The trouble is when people get a sniff of money",yeah and what would you do? Good luck to them i say.

The last time I went for a wonder around there (is there still that doorway with "Please stop pissing in our Fire Exit" Sprayed on?) I though, my god these Houses must be worth a fortune, I wonder how many owner Ocupieres havn't bought them from the Council yet.

I fully agree Tom, all I was trying to highlight is the fact that this type of housing is bad for any community anywhere... downtown, the waste of land becomes criminal!

People forced onto estates like this face all of the consequences of 'urban' dysfunctionalsim we go on about on here. They are hardly able to form a community, never mind tap the potential of their neighbours needs to improve things.... peole on these estates have to wallow in whatevr circumstances befall them... you can't generate a shop, a community or amenity centre as there are just too few people to maintain anything!

Bad Community by poor design...

Tony, I feel that one of the reasons why these sorts of estates fail is the fact that they lack all the facilities to generate a community spirit. The same could also be said for many modern apartment developments, since they often screened off from the street level. Here in Italy and other countries where apartment living is the norm, the aim is always to have active street levels with shops and bars, which remain open until at least 8pm on all developments.
Maybe Liverpool needs to think more on some of its new developments because I tend to believe that much of downtown Liverpool has little active frontage and subsequently places like Ropewalks are not frequented by many people, leaving the small minority of morons rule small areas (as per previous post). Modern developments whether they be security screened apartments or small cul-de-sac developments of semis don't resolve these problems.

I fully agree Tom, all I was trying to highlight is the fact that this type of housing is bad for any community anywhere... downtown, the waste of land becomes criminal!

People forced onto estates like this face all of the consequences of 'urban' dysfunctionalsim we go on about on here. They are hardly able to form a community, never mind tap the potential of their neighbours needs to improve things.... peole on these estates have to wallow in whatevr circumstances befall them... you can't generate a shop, a community or amenity centre as there are just too few people to maintain anything!

GV... it must be asked though what that community is... what about the ones who where decanted, should they be given a say, especially if the prospect is for high density social housing to for a major part of any redevelopment.

If you look at Holy Cross... a 'community' of 80 houses that used to have 16k sould living there. Are we really to be stuck with that type of housing now because the current residents would be given a veto.



Also the tenements where only crap holes because the council ran the down that way.... putting families in the well maintained Bull Ring (that used to also be a horrible shit hole, when the council abused,,,soryy, ran them) would be great... would it not?

I am not saying that the people there should have no say at all... but to give them an effective veto should not be allowed either.
Re: the tenements Tony, some of them were very well designed and architecturally interesting, but by the 80's the had outlived their use for families in my opinion.More of them should've been kept,like the Bullring and used for student accomodation.The situation with Park lane and the other small city centre communties is different than elsewhere in the city,there is a real chance that these people can benefit from the boom the city is experiencing,these communties have historically been amongst the poorest in the city.What i'd like to see is them eventually selling up with a huge profit.

Bad Community by poor design...

Tony, I feel that one of the reasons why these sorts of estates fail is the fact that they lack all the facilities to generate a community spirit. The same could also be said for many modern apartment developments, since they often screened off from the street level. Here in Italy and other countries where apartment living is the norm, the aim is always to have active street levels with shops and bars, which remain open until at least 8pm on all developments.
Maybe Liverpool needs to think more on some of its new developments because I tend to believe that much of downtown Liverpool has little active frontage and subsequently places like Ropewalks are not frequented by many people, leaving the small minority of morons rule small areas (as per previous post). Modern developments whether they be security screened apartments or small cul-de-sac developments of semis don't resolve these problems.

Theres definatly something in that. there's very little community minded spirit in our little, newly gated community (it alway had gates - it just didn't always have locks) . I would truely welcome / have a hand in some kind of community initiative - I'm just at a loss as to how to go about it.

A lot of it has to time scale I suppose. We love our flat but we're aware we couldn't really afford to buy it. Further more it's not sutitble for bringing up kid s in, nor is the surroudning area. thats where those little houses come into their own, you could bring up kinds and still enjoy city life - mind you looking at the frankly scary inhabitents of westmoreland drive something tells me they arn't big on the down town liverpool city life.

So if there was a big community initiative, how long would anyone be a part of it?

All of the points below are good ones, though Roman Blue hits the nail.

Low density is not doing anything beneficial for those who currently live in them, so upping the scale will only help people to get out of the coinditions they now suffer. Even if downtown booms the peole on this estate would still have to commute!

The problem that RB identifies is the nub of the problem... they are not provided with amenities, but even if LCC and LCVS etc where to try they couldn't be maintained as there are too few people.... low density means this cannot be resolved.

Tenements are the perfect solution for inner city families, it is how they do it is NYC, Paris, Barca etc... we are not genetically progrmmed to need a garden... none residential on ground floors (enables doctors and social provision as well as commerce) good open space, ownership etc are the perenial issues under debate, but that does not mean we should give up and maintain those horrible estates!

Theres definatly something in that. there's very little community minded spirit in our little, newly gated community (it alway had gates - it just didn't always have locks) . I would truely welcome / have a hand in some kind of community initiative - I'm just at a loss as to how to go about it.

A lot of it has to time scale I suppose. We love our flat but we're aware we couldn't really afford to buy it. Further more it's not sutitble for bringing up kid s in, nor is the surroudning area. thats where those little houses come into their own, you could bring up kinds and still enjoy city life - mind you looking at the frankly scary inhabitents of westmoreland drive something tells me they arn't big on the down town liverpool city life.

So if there was a big community initiative, how long would anyone be a part of it?

Wormella, its interesting that you feel that a flat is not suitable for bringing up kids. My parents take the same angle when they come and look at our small apartment in Rome. The fact that our block is full of families, young couples, singles and old people adds to the community spirit (even though we all argue at condomnium meetings.. great fun :) ), it is also true that not having gardens forces people out into the street and especially parks in the afternoon. What in italy is called the 'passagiata' (stroll), you go out to see and be seen by others. OK the climate is different in Liverpool and this has an aspect but when I was a kid growing up in my parents semi, we rarely played in the garden (partly because my dad didn't want his mini chelsea show garden wrecked) so I normally kicked a football in the street.

The notion that we have all been smothered with that suburban, semi detached housing is 'preferential', indeed, superior, to the mess of urban living, is tied to all sorts of unhealthy middle class notions of community.


Stay in the house, watch the telly, tend the garden, you can visit your folks ten miles away... we have the technology to live a 'virtual community/neighbourhood'... but the consequence is all sorts of decline in civic society and helps breed anti social notions and behavious.... if your neighbours are not worth talking to and sharing a little life with then there is nothing wrong with burglarising the fuckers... if you get my drift!

Wormella, its interesting that you feel that a flat is not suitable for bringing up kids. My parents take the same angle when they come and look at our small apartment in Rome. The fact that our block is full of families, young couples, singles and old people adds to the community spirit (even though we all argue at condomnium meetings.. great fun :) ), it is also true that not having gardens forces people out into the street and especially parks in the afternoon. What in italy is called the 'passagiata' (stroll), you go out to see and be seen by others. OK the climate is different in Liverpool and this has an aspect but when I was a kid growing up in my parents semi, we rarely played in the garden (partly because my dad didn't want his mini chelsea show garden wrecked) so I normally kicked a football in the street.

it has less to do with the actual flat - it's not really big enough for us two let alone a 3rd person however small, but the community surrounding it.

My parents live in Barcelona and have a similar set up to your in Rome by the sounds of it and no one there hesitates to bring up kids in thier flats. but they are surrounded by play grounds and little parks - there is none of that provision. if we had anywhere we could go for a stroll and feel happy letting the kids play in it wouldn't be an issue, but the climate in our little 'community' is that they wouldn't be welcome even as residents.

There are other reasons we couldn't live in the flat indefinatly - we do want a garden, we're keen to grow more than just windowsill chilli plants

So what cues should Liverpool take from that? To start looking at the Rome/Barca way or carry on with the absurdly disabling 'Levittown' way that we do now... One provides the basis for good community and urban living, the other calls for chronic isolation, unless you have a £40k salary to mitigate the dysfuntionalism... causing immense ecologiocal as well as societal damage in the process!

Don't know what is happening here, hopefully just removing the dangerous parts to avoid collapse. The rest is shored up with wooden beams so looks like they plan to restore this terrace.

Seel St terrace
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The building to the left looks interesting, anyone know what it was...!

Juxty I've looked at that building on the left of your pic many times, it looks like a theatre frontage or maybe a gin palace, anyone know what it is??? I bet it would look great refurbished.

Walk down Henry St, lots going here but still some warehouses untouched.


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Called in here for a couple, thick walls of the old bridewell makes this place cool inside, well worth a visit.


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Great area of character buildings, love the still derelict ones which will eventually have modern life to them soon. Wondered why they obliterated the old name from the brick-work, but not completely, this is character, but looks a bit messy now.

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crane is up on the scheme down at the bottom of duke street

2 x tower cranes now in ropewalks

also noticed a nice little sign has gone up to mark the entrance to East Village and that the vacant commercial space next door to sapporo is being done up. Not sure who has let it, but i'll let you know as soon as a sign goes up.

crane is up on the scheme down at the bottom of duke street

2 x tower cranes now in ropewalks

also noticed a nice little sign has gone up to mark the entrance to East Village and that the vacant commercial space next door to sapporo is being done up. Not sure who has let it, but i'll let you know as soon as a sign goes up.


Got a shot of that one from the MSCP in Hanover St.
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An old end terrace has been done up opposite this on Duke St, Elysian fields up the road has a core growing, a large new build is mostly built near FACT, and the old Terrace on Seel St is seeing substantial shoreing up activity, along with numerous other projects. So the whole area is really buzzin with activity.

cheers juxta.

yeah, i noticed that wee maclean conversion of teh old terrace on duke street. quite smart.

cheers for the pic too.

Any idea whats being done with the ongoing conversion on wolstenhome square, next door to the pleasure (torture) rooms?

Cheers buggedboy and Juxta. Hopefully the other projects on Duke Street can get going soon as well (Scandinavian Hotel, old car park site etc etc).

I know some scaffolding is up on Wolstenhome sq, but don't know what is going on there, or by who, but at least it's another bit of the jigsaw being placed. The Scandinavian Hotel is a big project that needs to see some action before the masses descend during 2007/8.

Wolstenhome Sq May 2006.
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crane is up on the scheme down at the bottom of duke street

2 x tower cranes now in ropewalks

also noticed a nice little sign has gone up to mark the entrance to East Village and that the vacant commercial space next door to sapporo is being done up. Not sure who has let it, but i'll let you know as soon as a sign goes up.

What's actually going on this site with the new crane(s)? I need to know so I can update the crane count. :)

Called in here for a couple, thick walls of the old bridewell makes this place cool inside, well worth a visit.


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Great Doug,

I had a few drinks and an excellent meal in their last year - definately worth a visit.

`Ropewalks` is a sleeping giant.....of a district.

Disney used the `Ropewalks` area some years ago to film a historically set maritime film - unfortunately I don`t know the name?

What's actually going on this site with the new crane(s)? I need to know so I can update the crane count. :)


I think its the pierse homes project, backing onto Gradwell Street.

by the by, the next door site, where the old kitchen supply stockings used to be has started being fenced off in advance of demolition.

i think its for this other project

http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/Published/C00000307/M00004727/AI00024873/$Item43741DukeStreet.docA.ps.pdf

I think its the pierse homes project, backing onto Gradwell Street.

by the by, the next door site, where the old kitchen supply stockings used to be has started being fenced off in advance of demolition.

i think its for this other project

http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/Published/C00000307/M00004727/AI00024873/$Item43741DukeStreet.docA.ps.pdf

Thanks I've got something already for Pierce Homes but it's clearly somewhere else.Is the other crane you mentioned in the Ropewalks a new addition or is it for Elysian Fields?

its elysian fields. two in total so far, but will hopefully be four/five within six months when the following also go on site:

Duke St/Slater St junction (LV say its imminent)
86-90 Duke St (on opposite corner) - due on site in september
Duke St (Iliad)

its elysian fields. two in total so far, but will hopefully be four/five within six months when the following also go on site:

Duke St/Slater St junction (LV say its imminent)
86-90 Duke St (on opposite corner) - due on site in september
Duke St (Iliad)

Excellent thanks for clearing that up,Duke Street is a gem and I can't wait until it's finished.Is the terrace that's been refurbished on Duke Street one of those big Georgian terraces where the big issue are or the one facing or are we still waiting for them to be done up?

frenson just had an applicstion approved for the row opposite the big issue.

i think the project is also going to rebuild a new frontage on the other side (Parr st). Not sure when its going on site though.

there are a few noticable gaps in development though, so best get crackin. it could great street if they get it right.

However, its going to be more piecemeal than say, York st (the next one over), where Maritime housing are effectively rebuilding the whole street apart from the bottom (Arts Village). There is some really tidy refurbishment going on and i can see a nice little street developing there.

Frenson don't exactly fill me with confidence because they have a habit of leaving things derelict for ages so I hope some pressure is applied to them to get a move on,the Ropewalks is one of my favourite downtown areas.