There's also the fight over who's going to attract Sheffield shoppers.

Meadowhall...

http://webcam-leeds.stage.lldev.co.uk/webcam_processed.jpg

I can't believe the webcam is still stuck on saturday :ohno:

John Lewis did pull out of Preston. But Preston was probably about acting as a regional hub for North West Lancashire. It's entirely different to Leeds. Preston is a much smaller centre. I would not be surprised if they looked at a smaller regional store for that area.

As long as John Lewis does well it stay with it's current plans. What is the timeline for Eastgate, it does not actually say on the Eastgate website? Actually opening date must be at least three years away. If Westfield Stratford can do well this year then barring a real depression I can't see a problem with it. We have already had a 7% contraction in one year back in 2009.

John Lewis did pull out of Preston. But Preston was probably about acting as a regional hub for North West Lancashire. It's entirely different to Leeds. Preston is a much smaller centre. I would not be surprised if they looked at a smaller regional store for that area.

As long as John Lewis does well it stay with it's current plans. What is the timeline for Eastgate, it does not actually say on the Eastgate website? Actually opening date must be at least three years away. If Westfield Stratford can do well this year then barring a real depression I can't see a problem with it. We have already had a 7% contraction in one year back in 2009.


It's not entirely clear but late 2014 is the absolute earliest it could open now; 2015 more likely. I don't think any construction is likely until at least late next year. I don't know if they have been in talks with retailers. Apparently 46% of the space is signed up, but I don't know if that's just from the John Lewis and M&S stores or if they've been signing up more retailers since?

Meadowhall...

Yeah but I don't think that many people want to spend every day out shopping they go on going to Meadowhall. Some must take trips to Nottingham, Leeds and Manchester for big shopping days.

The Supertram never even got off the ground. It got approval but construction never started.


I pretty sure construction started on the Supertram.

http://www.lrta.org/leedsnews.html

Read the entry on 4th March 2003.

the council spent £40 million on starting some of the very preliminary works for super-tram. but construction of the super-tram never started as the fucking government twats pulled the funding.......

All that was done, as far as I am aware, is the reconstruction of the roads at City Square (including that enormous pavement outside Mill Hill Chapel), and the rebuilding of the Hunslet Road/South Accommodation Road junction.

That pavement was incorporated into the works that were happening in City Square anyway though.

There was a bit more than that to be fair- the strengthening and modifications of Leeds Bridge were a major part of it. You can see the quite extreme works that were needed for it to support Supertram quite clearly today.

Feature on Trinity on lunchtime Look North, including a report from inside the dome. Will probably be repeated on evening edition. There was a suggestion, which I was unaware of, that the dome on Trinity was designed to reference the dome on the Corn Exchange.

They had mentioned before that the Corn Exchange could fit inside the dome at Trinity. I think the fact that it references the Corn Exchange is a bit of a good coincidence to be honest.

There's me just thinking they'd just taken the drawings from Cabot Circus and made them fit Leeds!

Here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-16121602) is the aforementioned news bulletin. The architects of the roof are the same practice who designed the Eden Project.

Also the roof has been covered in polythene - due to the inclement weather? The end of the roof is now sticking over Briggate. Looks highly promising.

So trinity Quarter will push Leeds up to 4th in retail rankings when it opens, then surely Eastgate (if it gets built) will push Leeds above Birmingham?

So trinity Quarter will push Leeds up to 4th in retail rankings when it opens, then surely Eastgate (if it gets built) will push Leeds above Birmingham?

suppose it all depends on what Birmingham and Glasgow get built over the next few years too

Here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-16121602) is the aforementioned news bulletin. The architects of the roof are the same practice who designed the Eden Project.

Also the roof has been covered in polythene - due to the inclement weather? The end of the roof is now sticking over Briggate. Looks highly promising.

Look North called it Trinity Walk on the caption at the start of the feature......only the wrong shopping centre situated 10 miles away!

Hamersson claim Leeds will be second after London.

Don't know whether thats possible tbh.

Depends by what standard. I don't see why it isn't possible, but you have to consider that Leeds has a lot more competition than Birmingham and Glasgow. Glasgow has a huge catchment; its only real competition is Edinburgh (and out of town malls)- but I think people go there more for the experience than quality of shopping, as it doesn't rank highly as a shopping destination.

Birmingham's nearest competition, other than Merry Hill, is Nottingham- which while quite high, is nowhere near Birmingham in the tables. Other than that, it's Manchester, London or Bristol- all a relatively considerable distance away. So Birmingham also has a heavily populated, secure catchment.

Leeds on the other hand is competing heavily with both Manchester and Meadowhall in a considerable part of its catchment. In Kirklees and Calderdale, it's as much of an option to go to Manchester than Leeds. Equally, in parts of Wakefield and Barnsley, people might be more likely to go to Meadowhall. York and Harrogate also have specialised markets that attract a strong base from their respective sub-catchments.

Even if Leeds got back into third place, or up to second, I would question how long it could stay there before other cities/Meadowhall start expanding again.

What will other cities do, just build more shopping centres filled with stores they already have? Trinity and Eastgate will deliver stores that we in Leeds are currently missing but Manchester already has the lot.

I think people prefer city centre shopping too and avoid Meadowhall. Leeds does well at attracting people from all over the region.. can't see this stopping any time soon whether Leeds is 4th or 44th

What will other cities do, just build more shopping centres filled with stores they already have? Trinity and Eastgate will deliver stores that we in Leeds are currently missing but Manchester already has the lot.

I think people prefer city centre shopping too and avoid Meadowhall. Leeds does well at attracting people from all over the region.. can't see this stopping any time soon whether Leeds is 4th or 44th


This is the beauty of Leeds - everything in the city centre is located in one place and is not spread out like cities such as Birmingham and Manchester (Birmingham is extremely difficult to get around because it's so badly pedestrianised).

That's why I'm so excited about Trinity and Eastgate We''ll have a huge shopping with a wide variety of shops but in a compact area. I'd prefer shopping centres such as Trinty and Eastgate than large out of town shopping centres like the Trafford Centre and Meadowhall.

Roof strut being put in place on Briggate...
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-i0QG0GGXxnY/TuNylK-Q-kI/AAAAAAAAAjM/DdIMu7xD_z0/s512/20111210_132850.jpg

suppose it all depends on what Birmingham and Glasgow get built over the next few years too

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LffHS_BGN_4/TeWCMscqZKI/AAAAAAAAE_w/HglvZFfFZi4/s1600/southviewNS.JPG

Isn't New Street railway station in Birmingham going to be redeveloped into a shopping centre with a load of shops including a massive John Lewis and a John Lewis is also rumoured for somewhere in Manchester city centre (possibly at the site of the redeveloped Renaissance Hotel on Deansgate, the Royal Exchange in St Anns Square or near the new Co-op head office. As for Glasgow I believe an extension of their Buchanan Galleries centre is proposed.

Certainly Leeds does need Trinity and perhaps Eastgate if it is going to up the ante although the economic situation will undoubtedly determine how long it will be before Eastgate finally starts. Personally think it is a big shame that John Lewis have never had a Leeds presence before now particularly for Christmas shopping a JL would have been handy although it makes me wonder what would happen if Eastgate is delayed or even cancelled if the economy goes into a big drop. John Lewis should really have occupied the old Lewis's / Allders when that store closed down imo as an interim measure in advance of Eastgate opening.

On another note I was in BHS earlier and noticed that the escalators to the now closed 1st floor level have now been removed. Does this mean that the Leeds Shopping Plaza BHS will only be a two level store now compring of a ground and basement level (surely rather small for a city of Leeds's stature) with someone else going above it (perhaps Primark?) or is it going to be reextended?

Still nice to see the new roof visible from the Briggate (River Island / Topshop) end of this development.

On another note I was in BHS earlier and noticed that the escalators to the now closed 1st floor level have now been removed. Does this mean that the Leeds Shopping Plaza BHS will only be a two level store now compring of a ground and basement level (surely rather small for a city of Leeds's stature) with someone else going above it (perhaps Primark?) or is it going to be reextended?

New BHS's are smaller than older ones. BHS has some very big stores back in the 80's. Until they redeveloped it the one Staines had 60,000 sq ft of Space, they only used about 40,000 sq ft. I think new ones will be about 30,000 these days.

Perhaps when Eastgate is complete and some of the larger stores move there, BHS might consider moving to some of the large floorplates on Briggate?

New BHS's are smaller than older ones. BHS has some very big stores back in the 80's. Until they redeveloped it the one Staines had 60,000 sq ft of Space, they only used about 40,000 sq ft. I think new ones will be about 30,000 these days.

The Leeds BHS will expand into some of the space occupied currently by the Boar Lane bus point.

Also Arcadia are looking to close a number of underperforming/duplicate stores in the UK, so after the Briggate Top Shop/Top Man is remodelled I'm presuming the smaller one in the St Johns Centre will be on the chopping block.

The Leeds BHS will expand into some of the space occupied currently by the Boar Lane bus point.

Also Arcadia are looking to close a number of underperforming/duplicate stores in the UK, so after the Briggate Top Shop/Top Man is remodelled I'm presuming the smaller one in the St Johns Centre will be on the chopping block.

Guess it would at least give BHS a much more prominent shop frontage onto Boar Lane compared with the way it is at present? Presumably this means that the likes of Birdcage and Teddys Amusements will not be making a return to Boar Lane when the Trinity Leeds works are finished.

Also regarding Arcadia consolidating their store portfolio presumably it means that Dorothy Perkins in St Johns Centre, Burton / Dorothy Perkins on the corner of Briggate and The Headrow and Evans and Miss Selfridge on Lands Lane at the (old theatre?) building on Lands Lane could presumably all relocate into Trinity Leeds from their present locations. Also there is currently a lack of fellow Arcadia brand Wallis within Leeds City Centre (not counting a concession within Debenhams) which could presumably open in Trinity Leeds and no doubt such stores would want to open together as Arcadia stores seem to usually cluster together in shopping centres.

Also regarding Arcadia consolidating their store portfolio presumably it means that Dorothy Perkins in St Johns Centre, Burton / Dorothy Perkins on the corner of Briggate and The Headrow and Evans and Miss Selfridge on Lands Lane at the (old theatre?) building on Lands Lane could presumably all relocate into Trinity Leeds from their present locations. Also there is currently a lack of fellow Arcadia brand Wallis within Leeds City Centre (not counting a concession within Debenhams) which could presumably open in Trinity Leeds and no doubt such stores would want to open together as Arcadia stores seem to usually cluster together in shopping centres.

I think Miss Selfridge and other Arcadia brands in that building are confirmed as moving to Trinity. It's safe to assume that the combined DP and Burton store at the north end of Briggate will be moving too. People may remember that the current DP and Burton store was previously a stand-alone Burton store until DP relocated to allow the closure of the Burton arcade.

I think it's quite exciting for Leeds to have so much new floorspace which is suitable for the national and international chains, many trade out of small floor spaces, compared to other cities with new developlemts. Hopefully the old, vacated, space will be filled with some new brands to Leeds. Like when American Apparel filled the former USC.

Does anyone know if the M&S store in Briggate be part of Trinity?

Does anyone know if the M&S store in Briggate be part of Trinity?

Aye it be lad, it be.
*switches off pirate mode*
The mockup shows M&S entrances facing into Trinity on one of the upper floors, and the existing rear entrance on Trinity Street (it will also be remodelled at the sides facing Trinity) e.g:

http://trinityleeds.com/images/CGIs/2.jpg

Aye it be lad, it be.
*switches off pirate mode*
The mockup shows M&S entrances facing into Trinity on one of the upper floors, and the existing rear entrance on Trinity Street (it will also be remodelled at the sides facing Trinity) e.g:




Thanks for that!!

Surely the M&S at Crown Point will close once the Trinity and Eastgate branches are opened? I'll be really suprised if they kept all 3 stores open as they are in such close proximity to one another.

Thanks for that!!

Surely the M&S at Crown Point will close once the Trinity and Eastgate branches are opened? I'll be really suprised if they kept all 3 stores open as they are in such close proximity to one another.

They might change its format to an outlet or Simply Food store (depending on the format of the Eastgate store which I'd presume would have a sizable food hall), but it certainly wouldn't be in the same format as it currently is.

They might change its format to an outlet or Simply Food store (depending on the format of the Eastgate store which I'd presume would have a sizable food hall), but it certainly wouldn't be in the same format as it currently is.

it is an Outlet store isn't it?

Google says "Yes!" :)
http://opening-times.co.uk/marks-and-spencer-outlet-leeds-crown-point

it is an Outlet store isn't it?

Google says "Yes!" :)
http://opening-times.co.uk/marks-and-spencer-outlet-leeds-crown-point

Not having a car, I don't venture down Crown Point very often :)
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=crown+point+leeds&hl=en&ll=53.789341,-1.540981&spn=106.485497,214.277344&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=26.521272,53.569336&vpsrc=6&t=v&hq=crown+point&hnear=Leeds,+West+Yorkshire,+United+Kingdom&fll=53.788754,-1.540972&fspn=106.485497,214.277344&z=3&layer=c&panoid=r_qpuix4CnHiKXk5XMTU9Q&cbll=53.789341,-1.540981&cbp=13,-215.68996197699875,,1,-3.0939720937063413

Not having a car, I don't venture down Crown Point very often :)

pfft, :tongue3: we don't drive. in fact we've walked there from chapel allerton before (on many occasions :ohno:)...the missus does love a good ASDA Living bargain!! :D

pfft, :tongue3: we don't drive. in fact we've walked there from chapel allerton before (on many occasions :ohno:)...the missus does love a good ASDA Living bargain!! :D

That location, as noted is already an outlet location. However, converting it to a Simply Food got the gears cranking. Other than the Tesco Express at Bridgewater and Clarence Dock there is no supermarket in that area. Given the number of student halls and apartments in the area, this seems strange. Is anything planned as part of the Tetley's site?

http://i39.tinypic.com/el90ls.png

Yeah someone's mentioned this in another thread. From the other cities I've checked so far, none of them seem to have the cool angled aerial view of the city centre as Leeds now does.

Yeah someone's mentioned this in another thread. From the other cities I've checked so far, none of them seem to have the cool angled aerial view of the city centre as Leeds now does.

Check it, only city in the UK with Google Maps 45 degree mode:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&t=h&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112099477591857711257.00048ad05c320f746f5c2

Check it, only city in the UK with Google Maps 45 degree mode:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&t=h&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112099477591857711257.00048ad05c320f746f5c2

looks like the images were taken on a Friday... i can see our black bin out front! ;)

Bing have had 45 degree angle images for a while but good to see google is finally catching up.

I heard an ad for Trinity Leeds on Radio Aire this afternoon. They are sponsoring the Cash for Kids Christmas campaign. Seems a bit early to get on the advertising, but there you are.

Interesting stuff. Strangely enough I was on Google earth today and realised Leeds was the only place to work with the 45degree view. I thought it was a glitch!

The only issue with Bing Maps are the images are at least 5-6years old. No doubt I will spend our using the google version!!

Now Bing really is defunct..

Noticed a brief shot of the Briggate facade of Trinity Leeds appeared on the BBC Ten o Clock News just now ironically due to the release of Mary Portas report on the poor state of high streets.

I wonder why they keep using that shot of Briggate when referring to the dying High Street when it's the complete opposite in Leeds?

The only issue with Bing Maps are the images are at least 5-6years old. No doubt I will spend our using the google version!!

Parts of Leeds are still missing from the 45 degree angle thingy.. not sure if they plan on doing all the city

Noticed a brief shot of the Briggate facade of Trinity Leeds appeared on the BBC Ten o Clock News just now ironically due to the release of Mary Portas report on the poor state of high streets.

I presume the footage was close to hand having been broadcast in the previous story on a similar theme.

You've got it all wrong.


http://bit.ly/vKWQoK

TOWNs and cities around the country should look to Leeds for inspiration on how to revive ailing high streets, according to a Government Minister.

Noticed a brief shot of the Briggate facade of Trinity Leeds appeared on the BBC Ten o Clock News just now ironically due to the release of Mary Portas report on the poor state of high streets.

I wonder why they keep using that shot of Briggate when referring to the dying High Street when it's the complete opposite in Leeds?

Didn't see it, but would guess it's from footage that was used on BBC Breakfast over the last few weeks. Jenny Hill a roving reporter on BBC Breakfast seems to be based in West Yorkshire and most of her reports on retail often contain shots of Leeds shopping centre. This week there was a small feature on Breakfast about direct sales and featured a Wakefield couple doing party plan sales along with a few clips of retail shops in Leeds city centre. So in short it's film they already have and will use again as a cost cutting measure.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/390044_10150435366013549_577368548_8824671_1182951173_n.jpg

linked to a photo of mine on facebook - be amazed if you can see it

but it's Trinity taken from Broadgate anyway

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/390044_10150435366013549_577368548_8824671_1182951173_n.jpg

linked to a photo of mine on facebook - be amazed if you can see it

but it's Trinity taken from Broadgate anyway

wow! more photos please! and welcome to skyscrapercity :cheers:

It's not surprising when other than London, this is the only region seeing major retail activity. Trinity Walk has just opened, Trinity is under construction, Eastgate seems likely, and Broadway is still cropping up. So there's a full debate here that can be covered quite easily.

It's not surprising when other than London, this is the only region seeing major retail activity. Trinity Walk has just opened, Trinity is under construction, Eastgate seems likely, and Broadway is still cropping up. So there's a full debate here that can be covered quite easily.

What's Broadway?? Never heard of it?? Is this a new proposed development?

What's Broadway?? Never heard of it?? Is this a new proposed development?

The photo's taken from Broadgate (the ex-Allders), not sure where LN1 got Broadway from.

Referring to Westfield in Bradford. Isn't it's official name Broadway?

Referring to Westfield in Bradford. Isn't it's official name Broadway?

I think it's still Westfield Bradford (e.g. like the other Westfield developments) - it's just that it backs onto Broadway (the half demolished, half deserted street towards the city centre)

EDIT: Further digging suggests there's a number of sources that call it Broadway (both before and during Westfield's involvement), and since it's now a joint venture and Westfield haven't particularly made a good name for themselves in Bradford, I wouldn't be surprised if the Westfield brand disappears from the development.

Well yeah, it's not really important. I think in planning apps etc it's known as Broadway, and this was definitely what it was before Westfield signed up.

If Westfield pull out, they're missing out. There is potential in Bradford- if Wakefield can build Trinity Walk, a city like Bradford should be able to support something to serve every day needs regardless of Leeds' position.

Here's another from the top of Allders/Broadgate

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/390403_10150433545058549_577368548_8819472_2081734384_n.jpg

loving the mix of the old church and new stuff down there

and here's a wider view over leeds

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/387600_10150431737378549_577368548_8814676_614927416_n.jpg

^^^ love this one!!! :okay:

Great photos mate, keep them up :)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7143/6514840735_87feeddb69_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8906201@N03/6514840735/)
Leeds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8906201@N03/6514840735/) by Michael van Rooyen (http://www.flickr.com/people/8906201@N03/), on Flickr

The Briggate entrance looked really impressive this evening, even in the dark. It looked like it has added another flourish to the Briggate streetscape.
The workmen were still working on the new Albion Street section at 7:15pm.

http://webcam-leeds.stage.lldev.co.uk/webcam_processed.jpg

Wow, the frame looks very.. white (or has it always been like that):D

Wow, the frame looks very.. white (or has it always been like that):D

haha, it's always been like that but i think the glass going in really sets it off :)

Loving the glass! :banana:

I've a question. There a 154 pages on this thread so I did a site search using Google and couldn't find the answer.

Anyhow, was it ever proposed to link Trinity West to the car park in West Riding House via a bridge over Bond Street?

4th Floor Plan (http://plandocs.leeds.gov.uk/WAM/doc/Drawing-144530.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=144530&location=VOLUME2&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=1)

I don't think it has ever been proposed, it may have been investigated at some point, but never got into the public domain. It would have been a decent idea, I think, IF the bridge was done right.

I don't think it has ever been proposed, it may have been investigated at some point, but never got into the public domain. It would have been a decent idea, I think, IF the bridge was done right.

Didn't I vaguely remember that many moons ago at the then Bond Street Centre (before its mid 1990s rebrand into the Leeds Shopping Plaza) there was an escalator within the centre to the left of Boots (I think where Jane Norman is located now) which as a child appeared to go to nowhere, although I guess in retrospect it went up to some offices? Wonder if something like that could have potentially linked with a car park?

Guess it is rather curious myself that the Bond Street Centre never had it's own car park although fortunate considering it would of course have removed the possibility of the bus gate in City Square and could of course have looked awful (although surely not much worse than what was built). As for car parks serving Trinity Leeds I always thought the NCP Bourse car park is also pretty close (albiet expensive) similar to the NCP West Riding House car park.

Steelwork is now starting to be erected on the bottom left area of the webcam, which seems to be the last part of the site to be developed.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7010/6549242849_c345bf1a5e_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/44472650@N08/6549242849/)
Leeds Skyline (http://www.flickr.com/photos/44472650@N08/6549242849/) by Lee Collings Photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/44472650@N08/), on Flickr

Different view from the North of the site:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j73/xapbpoh/trinitydec11a.jpg

The Briggate canopy is very visible now. I got a photo earlier, will post it when I get in. Until, if you know my Flickr photo stream you can have a nose on there :)

EDIT - now with added imagey goodness

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7002/6606249317_62817b040b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/3chordboy/6606249317/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/3chordboy/6606249317/) by 3chordboy (http://www.flickr.com/people/3chordboy/), on Flickr

Noticed licensing notices have gone up for Cafe Rouge and Carluccios to open within the Trinity Leeds development. Also noticed Swarovski crystals are to open within the new shopping centre which I don't believe has been mentioned on here before. http://www.dundas-wilson.com/publications/dw_cms_8195.pdf

Bad news for VQ perhaps?...

I don't see why some people are so worried about the VQ. The VQ is unique. Trinity is just another mall. And as long as the VQ has Harvey Nichols, Louis Vuitton and Vivienne Westwood, it'll be successful.

I don't see why some people are so worried about the VQ. The VQ is unique. Trinity is just another mall. And as long as the VQ has Harvey Nichols, Louis Vuitton and Vivienne Westwood, it'll be successful.

I think VQ will do just fine. I have no doubt that some of the names will migrate elsewhere over the coming years, as space becomes available. However, the smaller footprint and great footfall at VQ can give retailers a real opportunity too and bring new names to the retail mix, especially in the higher end of the market, where the massive floor plates at Trinity and Eastgate would not be required.

I hope LandSec retain the TopShop building.

Swarovski Crystals, eh? Will it be positioned next to a Money Shop/Cash Converters? :nuts:

I meant more specifically in relation to the Swarovski shop - there is a shop already located in VQ - wonder if it will be moving out?...

Can't help but think Swarovski is a thoroughly underwhelming announcement, however I think that Trinity is probably more suited to the demographic, not sure it cuts with some of the VQ's top brands.

From the Leeds photo thread:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7007/6629204653_9bc34d3478_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/44472650@N08/6629204653/)
Lower Briggate - Leeds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/44472650@N08/6629204653/) by Lee Collings Photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/44472650@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7017/6629178609_d7f794f17e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/44472650@N08/6629178609/)
Leeds Skyline at Night (http://www.flickr.com/photos/44472650@N08/6629178609/) by Lee Collings Photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/44472650@N08/), on Flickr

Another tower crane has gone up on this development but it is literally IN Albion Street! Very interesting seeing them erecting it today - they even had to stop shoppers leaving Wilko as the crane bits were being lifted in to place. Presumably the new crane is needed for the new bridge to be installed.

Oh really? Interesting. It might be to lift steel beams up to Trinity West though as well, as that is being extended upwards for Primark isn't it?

Oh yes, I was wondering if there were works needed in the West Development also, as otherwise a mobile crane might have been used to install the bridge.

Yep, walked past this erection earlier:

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt118/awaren8/DSC01651.jpg

That's an odd picture..

Yeah that's on the west side of the street so it must be for the works to Trinity West.

Also, even though the lights had to go off on the 6th, the illuminated crane looked great. Sad to see the lights go.

Another crane in Leeds city centre then. That must make 5 on the Trinity site

Remainder of crane being constructed right now! I've never seen a crane allowed so close to the general public.

Remainder of crane being constructed right now! I've never seen a crane allowed so close to the general public.

is it possible for the street to be blocked off and pedestrians sent through the Shopping Plaza as a diversion? although last time i was in the shopping plaza it was looking a bit like a bomb site

Nice another crane on the skyline!

leeds is so much better than the shit hole called sheffield

leeds is so much better than the shit hole called sheffield

.......?

Anyway, surely albion street is going to be closed when this crane is operating, sounds dangerous lifting materials over a street full of people. Walking down Briggate today I noticed the window frames going in, I don't think it'll be too long until the facade is almost complete.

http://www.landsecuritiesretail.com/property/mi879_final_5meg_01-21st-july-final.jpg

http://www.landsecuritiesretail.com/property/mi900_ls_cam03_master_commercial-street_01.jpg

http://www.landsecuritiesretail.com/property/mi900_ls_cam01_master_apple_01_final.jpg

http://www.landsecuritiesretail.com/property/landsec_trinityleeds_trinity-walk-170511.jpg

http://www.landsecuritiesretail.com/property/mi900_ls_cam05_master_next_01.jpg

http://www.landsecuritiesretail.com/property/mi900_ls_cam04_master_apple_01_final-with-trees.jpg

http://www.landsecuritiesretail.com/property/ad623_landsec_trinityeast_cam12_cinema_final_120109(1).jpg

http://www.landsecuritiesretail.com/property/ad651_cam_04_albionlower_20cm300dpi.jpg

it really does have a Liverpool One vibe about it in those renders. L1 was absolutely heaving when i was over there the week after christmas... i'd love for Trinity to have that buzz :)

it really does have a Liverpool One vibe about it in those renders. L1 was absolutely heaving when i was over there the week after christmas... i'd love for Trinity to have that buzz :)

Fear not young man.

Wow those impressions look great. So excited for this to open.

Shame there's not a great beautiful 'scraper to be seen through that roof..

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leeds is so much better than the shit hole called sheffield

I love Leeds but I do admire Sheffield for its relative greenery around the city and would love something like the Peace Gradens and Sheaf Square to be built in Leeds.

I'd move back to Sheffield in a heartbeat. Ever since I've been back in Leeds I've had loads of unpleasant experiences with boorish people, and a lot of them have been in official situations. I feel there's a mean spiritedness to modern Leeds, perhaps exacerbated by the sharp division between rich and poor, which is really depressing.

Maybe if you stay around around areas that have unsociable types you are always going to bump into them. I know I pay no mind to anywhere in South Leeds and stick to where my friends live.

Di livio you must be the only person i know who brings up this subject, i for one have never had any trouble with people in Leeds, only had the rare occasion and that is rare, maybe you hang around in the wrong areas or something?

Hmm, no, Leeds does seem harbour some unpleasant people. Sometimes its just generally unpleasant chavs spitting and swearing everywhere, but at times it's more serious and they commit crime.

Of course the thing is, the grass is always greener on the other side. I don't think you would gain anything from moving to Sheffield, or any other city. The statistics might show differences, but at the end of the day, these things are real. People who get mugged don't care about statistics, all that matters is that they're in that situation there and then. And mugged is an extreme opportunity- what about all the drunk football hooligans that Leeds Utd is notorious for? Trains out of Leeds on big match days can be horrible.

But as I say, the same happens in all major cities- although in fairness, I see less of it in London; perhaps because London's transport system is far better policed and monitored. This doesn't just refer to direct transport crime, but criminals often won't get on public transport in London because all their movements are logged through the network. It doubles up as one giant tracking system.

If you're seriously worried about crime and anti social behaviour, you need to get out the major cities. Maybe you'd prefer somewhere like York.

I'd move back to Sheffield in a heartbeat. Ever since I've been back in Leeds I've had loads of unpleasant experiences with boorish people, and a lot of them have been in official situations. I feel there's a mean spiritedness to modern Leeds, perhaps exacerbated by the sharp division between rich and poor, which is really depressing.

And Sheffield with estates just as grim as those in Leeds in addition to wasteland where there were once steelworks and coal mines contrasting with housing one of the richest parts of the UK of Sheffield Hallam (and is the seat for Nick Clegg of all people :ohno:) is seen as lacking such divisions? Still surely such divisions are issues wherever you go?

Surely I guess Leeds is at least fortunate in not seeing widescale disorder during the August riots similar to other cities and of course I have never had much in the way of trouble personally although I was once pushed over once on a night out which the person pushing me over threatening me before I legged it away. Also Leeds does surely have much more variety than Sheffield in terms of shopping, nightlife, offices and other attractions imo considering Meadowhall has pretty much massively overshadowed Sheffield City Centre for shopping ever since it had opened (with most shops choosing to open in Meadowhall when they site a store in the Sheffield area as opposed to the city centre).

Anyway going back on topic I heard from someone a potentially major temporary store move as a consequence of the Trinity works although I cannot announce who that might be for it could apparently be occuring soon.

haha, then don't tempt us with nuggets like that Val! :lol: i'm going with BHS as my guess as the builders are making a right mess in LSP.

Funny.. I was talking to a Yank a few weeks back who lived in Britain for four years and said he couldn't wait to leave because of his unpleasant experience with youths in Sheffield throwing rocks at him.

I haven't been to Sheffield for a few years, probably 2004, or around there, it's got some lovely suburbs, especially in the Peak District, but you could not pay me enough money to trade Leeds city centre for Sheffield city centre.. just.. no

That shop move, could it be top man? How are they going to sew this bits of the shop together?

To add to the Sheffield argument, I moved from there 1.5 years ago and commute there each day. Leeds city centre wins hands down, but Sheffield wins on areas to live, most of the west of city is pretty, safe, friendly and you can walk everywhere. I am still shocked when driving round the back to back areas of the Leeds and iron gates on peoples doors! But overall I choose Leeds :)

That shop move, could it be top man? How are they going to sew this bits of the shop together?

To add to the Sheffield argument, I moved from there 1.5 years ago and commute there each day. Leeds city centre wins hands down, but Sheffield wins on areas to live, most of the west of city is pretty, safe, friendly and you can walk everywhere. I am still shocked when driving round the back to back areas of the Leeds and iron gates on peoples doors! But overall I choose Leeds :)

I must admit this is one thing that I've always noticed about Leeds and found quite shocking, though don't know if there is a real problem with burglaries or if it's just a fashion to have them.

Leeds is a UK burglary hotspot, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's for that very reason..

As for places to live, Leeds doesn't have the natural scenery of Sheffield but has some very pretty suburbs, especially in the North, North East and West of the city.. just stay well away from south of the river, yeah!? :)

Leeds is a UK burglary hotspot, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's for that very reason..

As for places to live, Leeds doesn't have the natural scenery of Sheffield but has some very pretty suburbs, especially in the North, North East and West of the city.. just stay well away from south of the river, yeah!? :)

Natural scenery. Sheffield, you mean abandoned steel works? Sheffield is hardly the most beautiful city in the UK. Yes it has some nice outer suburbs to the south and west of the city, but Leeds has far more attractive areas to the east with the vale of York, to the north and west with the Dales.

Yeah not keen on areas south of the river, but Leeds doesn't do badly for natural scenery. Within the city boundaries is some great natural scenery, but less than an hour away you can be in the Dales, Yorkshire Coast, Peak District or the Moors.

Yeah, this is true, North West Leeds is virtually right on the Pennines..

Oh, and to bring up what Lad 2011 said, I've also never encountered problems in Leeds.. and I've walked through Seacroft at night with youth around many times

I am still shocked when driving round the back to back areas of the Leeds and iron gates on peoples doors! But overall I choose Leeds :)


Actually, I wasn't meaning the usual swaggering youths in tracksuits. It's hard to describe what I mean - a lot of the time the unfriendly treatment I've had in Leeds seems to be a reaction to my accent or my address, but I also feel there can be a depressing Daily Mail attitude in Leeds sometimes - massive self-belief coupled with dangerous ignorance and reactionary points of view.
I also don't like the way the council treat middle class areas of Leeds as 'full of posh people', as if the people who live there have no idea about the real world and are undeserving of their comfortable lifestyles.

As for bars on the windows, yup, the reality of living in a lot of Leeds couldn't be worse. I know the YEP likes to be sensational, but the number of crimes and assaults and general tales of inhumanity in Leeds is quite frightening. The Chilterns it ain't.

Anyway, enough ranting. Have some of this. :)


Looking out at the concrete canopy of this northern city, a sea of stone and brickwork is crested by the spindly white peaks of construction cranes. They are currently working on a development known as "Trinity Leeds", a £350 million pound project to construct a shopping centre with 750,000 square feet of retail space which is scheduled for completion in 2013.


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looking good. congrats to the cabot circus coppiers

looking good. congrats to the cabot circus coppiers

Same people behind it thats why, and it be 10x better than cabot circus.

Actually, I wasn't meaning the usual swaggering youths in tracksuits. It's hard to describe what I mean - a lot of the time the unfriendly treatment I've had in Leeds seems to be a reaction to my accent or my address, but I also feel there can be a depressing Daily Mail attitude in Leeds sometimes - massive self-belief coupled with dangerous ignorance and reactionary points of view.
I also don't like the way the council treat middle class areas of Leeds as 'full of posh people', as if the people who live there have no idea about the real world and are undeserving of their comfortable lifestyles.

As for bars on the windows, yup, the reality of living in a lot of Leeds couldn't be worse. I know the YEP likes to be sensational, but the number of crimes and assaults and general tales of inhumanity in Leeds is quite frightening. The Chilterns it ain't.

In 10 years of living in Leeds I never had a problem. In 2 years of living in Sheffield I've had our door window put through and someone attempt to crowbar the door. I guess it's just statistics of having gone 29 years without a problem.

In 10 years of living in Leeds I never had a problem. In 2 years of living in Sheffield I've had our door window put through and someone attempt to crowbar the door. I guess it's just statistics of having gone 29 years without a problem.

The day i moved up to Leeds i had my wallet stolen... should've taken that as a big sign that Churwell was dodgy! :)

From Yorkshire Evening Post:

Everyman Cinemas will open its first site in the North when the Trinity Leeds shopping centre opens in spring next year.

The complex will house four cinema screens and around 380 seats. At other Everyman cinemas in the South East, facilities includes premium couches, waiter service and lounge areas.

The huge glazed roof that covers the 1,000,000 sq ft shopping centre is currently under construction.

Trinity Leeds is the largest shopping and leisure destination currently being built in the UK and it is hoped the scheme will transform the area around Briggate, Commercial Street and Albion Street.

Andrew Myers, chief executive of Everyman Media Group, said: “We are delighted to have found the ideal venue for our first venture in the North of England.

“Trinity Leeds provides us with a superb setting in the heart of the UK’s third largest city.

“The City of Leeds and the wider community is ideal.”

Speaking in 2009, leasing director at Land Securities, John Grimes, said: “Everyman is an innovative, independent cinema operator that creates an individualistic viewing experience combining a mix of film, events and live entertainment where customers can relax in sumptuous surroundings.

“This is a real coup for the city.”

The boutique cinema will sit alongside leading fashion retailers including Marks & Spencer, Mango, Hollister, H&M, Primark, River Island and Topshop and Topman.

A restaurant area will include two bespoke Conran-designed restaurants – the first UK venture outside the capital for international restaurant operator D&D London.

The restaurants will take up 12,000 sq ft of the new roof-top building and will overlook the adjacent Grade 1 listed Holy Trinity Church.

Other restaurants will include Yo! Sushi, Carluccio’s, Handmade Burger and Giraffe.

Will it show art house films? Seems like a great project but really feel Leeds' cultural scene is missing a great arthouse cinema like the Cornerhouse in Manchester, Showroom in Sheffield or Tyneside Cinema in Newcastle. I know the Hyde Park picture house fulfills this role somewhat, but the city centre could definitely do with one.

Yes, it will. Look at the line up of other Everyman Cinemas and it gives you an idea of what's coming.

In addition to Hyde Park Picture House, there's also Cottage Road.

better than cabot circus i don't think so.

point no 1: trinity teeds is smaller.
point no 2: cabot circus has got better shops

I'm not convinced that is a valid argument. The size difference between Cabot Circus and Trinity is negligible, and is totally outweighed by the fact Leeds has an existing shopping offer almost double the size of Bristol's.

In what way does it have better shops? Cabot Circus is anchored by House of Fraser and supported by other high street brands- all of which Leeds has already. The designer shops in Cabot Circus are largely what Leeds provides space for in the far superior Victoria Quarter.

Leeds has a good reputation of attracting businesses to make regional debuts, and Trinity has continued this trend where Cabot Circus didn't secure any coup over other shopping destinations.

The time to judge which is the best between Cabot Circus and Trinity is next year when Trinity is open.

What is the matter with you guys on here?
Why slag off cabot circus?
At the end of the day they are just shopping centres!
But Cabot circus has breathed new life into our wonderful city and i cant imagine the city without it now.
Im sure Trinity will do the same for leeds in the same way it has for bristol.

What is the matter with you guys on here?
Why slag off cabot circus?
At the end of the day they are just shopping centres!
But Cabot circus has breathed new life into our wonderful city and i cant imagine the city without it now.
Im sure Trinity will do the same for leeds in the same way it has for bristol.

I don't think anybody has slagged off Cabot Circus. Someone's slagging off Trinity Leeds (before it's even completed), so there's people on here defending it. No-one is allowed to be wrong on the internet :)

If Trinity is of the same quality as Cabot Circus (which it will be), I'll be happy.

No-one has slagged Cabot Circus off.

Cabot Circus and Trinity are both similarly designed shopping centres, but they're serving different purposes which is reflected in the tenant mix.

In 10 years of living in Leeds I never had a problem. In 2 years of living in Sheffield I've had our door window put through and someone attempt to crowbar the door. I guess it's just statistics of having gone 29 years without a problem.

I'm afraid that depressing incidents of casual violence aren't restricted to Leeds, which in UK terms is one of the less violent major cities. Even York has its problems. Some jerk was sent down this week for wearing surgical gloves and wielding a six inch meat cleaver outside a nightclub last summer. He came from a caravan park in Carlisle. We live in the age of violence-tourism it would seem.

'Regeneration is cool' is a Brummy troll twat, just ignore him

i am not a twat and for infomation i live in leicestershire

Why slag off cabot circus? ...Cabot circus has breathed new life into our wonderful city and i cant imagine the city without it now.Im sure Trinity will do the same for leeds in the same way it has for bristol.

No one slagged it off! I completely agree with you about Cabos Circus and that's why Leeds Trinity Quarter appointed the same architects to design something similar up here! And we can't wait for it to open :cheers:

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bugger off you lot

The day i moved up to Leeds i had my wallet stolen... should've taken that as a big sign that Churwell was dodgy! :)

lol not a good sign. altho statistically Churwell is still a relatively safe area, especially compared to most of north leeds

You mean south Leeds?

Wiggley doesnt buy the north Leeds hype..

You mean south Leeds?

no, north leeds.

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Funny how half of your circle around Churwell is farmland, whilst the others are all built up! I'm sure Churwell is a nice place to live though.

Funny how half of your circle around Churwell is farmland, whilst the others are all built up! I'm sure Churwell is a nice place to live though.

it was nice. bit quiet...we lived closer to Cottingley so that probably increased the crime stats! ;)

Funny how half of your circle around Churwell is farmland, whilst the others are all built up! I'm sure Churwell is a nice place to live though.

lol which is why the 1st two pics go right down to street level comparing churwell with the nicest bit of north leeds i could find on the map.

lol which is why the 1st two pics go right down to street level comparing churwell with the nicest bit of north leeds i could find on the map.

Great to have you back wiggley, don't make yourself a stranger on this messageboard.

Posting pages of crime statistics seems a little desperate to me.

Arguably, the 'nicest bits' of north Leeds are semi-rural areas like Bardsey, East Keswick, and Bramhope. Try comparing crime figures for those areas with the areas most people associate with south Leeds.

Arguably, the 'nicest bits' of north Leeds are semi-rural areas like Bardsey, East Keswick, and Bramhope. .

Those arent really what people call North Leeds, they are seperate villages far detatched from "leeds". So that would be an incorrect comparison. Churwell is almost inner city... 6 minutes to city centre by train, or 5 minutes by car. Yet still lower crime at street level than the nicest bits I could find of "north leeds" :P Anyway, no matter how true, I was just seeing if a certain person would bite. and you did ;) lol

Those arent really what people call North Leeds, they are seperate villages far detatched from "leeds". So that would be an incorrect comparison. Churwell is almost inner city... 6 minutes to city centre by train, or 5 minutes by car. Yet still lower crime at street level than the nicest bits I could find of "north leeds" :P Anyway, no matter how true, I was just seeing if a certain person would bite. and you did ;) lol


You're secretly pissed off that someone revealed the true character of the area of Leeds you can afford to live in.

Except the data I posted shows this was not the true character of the area, and it is infact less crime ridden than the nicest parts of north leeds as an example - something that has clearly hit a raw nerve with you lol - as it did last time regarding schools too ha

Except the data I posted shows this was not the true character of the area, and it is infact less crime ridden than the nicest parts of north leeds as an example - something that has clearly hit a raw nerve with you lol - as it did last time regarding schools too ha


Yeah, and you were wrong about that too.

Yeah, and you were wrong about that too.

I'm sorry, if you are unable to understand crime stats data down to street level that very clearly shows the nicest parts of north Leeds to have comparatively higher crime than churwell, and are unable to understand GCSE pass rates that show the school in churwell performs better than the majority of schools north of the city, that is up to you :)

I'm sorry, if you are unable to understand crime stats data down to street level that very clearly shows the nicest parts of north Leeds to have comparatively higher crime than churwell, and are unable to understand GCSE pass rates that show the school in churwell performs better than the majority of schools north of the city, that is up to you :)

So, someone makes a tiny negative comment about Churwell and you get excessively defensive. Yeah, I understand perfectly.

So, someone makes a tiny negative comment about Churwell and you get excessively defensive. Yeah, I understand perfectly.

someone can be mugged anywhere unfortunately. there was nothing negative in his comment...

The day i moved up to Leeds i had my wallet stolen... should've taken that as a big sign that Churwell was dodgy! :)

and there was nothing excessively defensive about my reply.

lol not a good sign. altho statistically Churwell is still a relatively safe area, especially compared to most of north leeds

You always bleat on these boards quite bizzarely about trouble finding you in Leeds when waking about places... yet no one ever seems to encounter the kind of misery you experience almost weekly. Judging by the chip on your shoulder evidenced in this altercation, maybe, just maybe, its not everyone else who is the probem, but actually you :nuts: You find fights and cause arguments where none is neccessary and none is looked for.

So, someone makes a tiny negative comment about Churwell and you get excessively defensive. Yeah, I understand perfectly.

To be fair you always make negative comments about everything Leeds.

One thing i've learnt in life is some people are negative thinkers others are positive thinkers, positive thinkers see things for how they really are and can seen past the bad side to things whereas negative thinkers are all narrow minded people who can't see past their own noses.

Judging by the chip on your shoulder.


After agree, hes definitely a chip on the shoulder job.

Ok folks, it's starting to get a bit too personal on a thread which is supposed to be about Trinity. Maybe we could deal with people's person issues in private messages.

I'm sorry, if you are unable to understand crime stats data down to street level that very clearly shows the nicest parts of north Leeds to have comparatively higher crime than churwell, and are unable to understand GCSE pass rates that show the school in churwell performs better than the majority of schools north of the city, that is up to you :)

The majority of schools in north Leeds are filled with south Leeds kids. Ralph Thoresby, Lanswood etc are full of teens from south Leeds. Hence the lower pass rate in these schools.

Ok folks, it's starting to get a bit too personal on a thread which is supposed to be about Trinity. Maybe we could deal with people's person issues in private messages.

well said aviator!!!

Anyway lets get back to the real topic ....

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I would certainly rather live in Harewood, Shadwell or Scarcroft than Churwell- but I suppose someone has to prefer South Leeds! The SE isn't that bad around Swillington and Kippax.

As for retail, apparently Meadowhall is up for sale. Pre-empting Trinity opening?

I would certainly rather live in Harewood, Shadwell or Scarcroft than Churwell- but I suppose someone has to prefer South Leeds! The SE isn't that bad around Swillington and Kippax.

As for retail, apparently Meadowhall is up for sale. Pre-empting Trinity opening?

Very interesting news, though we've seen a lot of movement in this market recently, including CSC buying out Westfield in Nottingham & Taking on Peel & The Trafford Centre. Do London & Stamford or British Land (who own Meadowhall) own any other malls?

not sure

I don't know, but I suppose Trinity is bad news for Meadowhall, as is Sevenstone if that ever gets underway. I don't quite understand why the Bank of Ireland felt the need to sell the VQ though. I highly doubt it will be negatively affected by Trinity- if anything, it'll be good for it; especially if and when Eastgate opens.

I don't know, but I suppose Trinity is bad news for Meadowhall, as is Sevenstone if that ever gets underway. I don't quite understand why the Bank of Ireland felt the need to sell the VQ though. I highly doubt it will be negatively affected by Trinity- if anything, it'll be good for it; especially if and when Eastgate opens.

Don't really think Trinity on its own will have any effect on Meadowhall. The obvious advantage of Meadowhall is the motorway location along with free parking and the total number of stores it as over Trinity.

It's not Trinity on its own, it's the entire Leeds attraction that will have the effect. Yes, there are more shops at Meadowhall- but remember there are already 1000 shops in Leeds.

It won't be the people who live in the immediate area around Meadowhall that stop going there, it will be people in places like Wakefield, Doncaster and Barnsley.

It's not Trinity on its own, it's the entire Leeds attraction that will have the effect. Yes, there are more shops at Meadowhall- but remember there are already 1000 shops in Leeds.

It won't be the people who live in the immediate area around Meadowhall that stop going there, it will be people in places like Wakefield, Doncaster and Barnsley.

Wakefield maybe (although many people I know from Pontefract/Castleford only go as close as the White Rose when shopping). Doncaster and Barnsley? Considering they're both closer to Meadowhall I think most people will pick there for the most part. Leeds might attract for the retailers unique to it in the region, but Trinity mostly brings retailers Meadowhall already has and Leeds will remain that 'once in while' location for those out of the county. Even Eastgate, which brings a John Lewis to Leeds, isn't going to be a big pull from South Yorkshire since Sheffield already has one.

Leeds might remain a destination but it's not where people from South Yorkshire will go on a weekly shop (especially if going there by public transport - cross boundary travel greatly increases the ticket price). And for those driving? Free parking usually beats all other considerations.

Yeah I can't really see Trinity been a huge pull. Leeds is only useful if you want to use public transport to get to it. Going to Leeds by car despite been well connected is quite expensive to park in.

I know a girl in North Yorkshire who shops in Leeds on a weekly basis.

Time will tell. I'm relatively confident Leeds will be able to pull a good amount of shoppers from South Yorkshire.

As for North Yorkshire- well that's totally different. The most populated part of North Yorkshire; Harrogate and its district, are best connected to Leeds than any other city. A similar argument can be made for Craven, and perhaps Selby too; although more here might want to go to York. It doesn't surprise me that people in these wealthy areas would regularly travel to Leeds to shop.

York and Harrogate have alright shopping, but for any good shopping trip, people will often go through York/Harrogate to get to Leeds.

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By Juliette Bains
Published on Tuesday 17 January 2012 09:44

Towering 100ft above the city is the newest addition to the Trinity Leeds development.

The fifth and final crane was set up at the junction of Albion Street and Boar Lane on Sunday.

The £350m Trinity Leeds development is the largest retail and leisure construction currently under way in the UK.

Each crane ranges from 113ft to 162ft above ground level and has a jib in excess of 160ft.

The new crane will work alongside the four others to lift and transport steel, concrete, timber, pipework and machinery across the site.

Tower crane team members Andy Bryan, Mark Reynolds, Mark Pickering, Neville Lord and Paul Selwood will literally be at the top of their profession as they overlook Leeds from their cranes.

Crane operator Neville said: “A head for heights is essential.

“You have to work as a team and be very safety conscious, have a steady hand and lots of attention to detail.”

The team is employed by Select Cranes – a division of Laing O’Rourke – and the five have 90 years of experience between them.

Crane supervisor Mark Reynolds said: “It’s fantastic to have five cranes in operation on the same development. We are proud to be working on such a great and high-profile scheme and playing our part in helping it to take shape day by day.”

Mark Pickering worked on the athlete’s village Olympic development in London before returning to north to work on the Trinity Leeds development.

He said: “After working on such a massive scheme in the south, it’s tremendous to be employed much closer to home on this major project.”

Land Securities’ Trinity Leeds will take up 1,000,000 square feet.

It is due to open its doors in spring 2013.

Several leading fashion retailers and restaurants will set up shop in the centre as well as an Everyman Cinema.

I do love all the folk slagging off South leeds and saying north leeds is wonderful. Having lived in both places for a considerable amount of time I would say south Leeds is much safer to live in. Both areas have hot spots that are rough but I've had the least problems in the south area around Morley, churwell and Gildersome

I do love all the folk slagging off South leeds and saying north leeds is wonderful. Having lived in both places for a considerable amount of time I would say south Leeds is much safer to live in. Both areas have hot spots that are rough but I've had the least problems in the south area around Morley, churwell and Gildersome

Would a middle class professional relocating from the home counties really choose to live in Morley over north Leeds equivalents Wetherby, Yeadon, Otley?

Churwell looks nice enough but seems to have a 'big Garforth feel'.



It's also worth pointing out that the crime statistics posted on the previous page compare apples with oranges.
Churwell isn't in a built up suburban area adjacent to a busy arterial road like the Primley Parks are. There is also less to steal and less visibility of wealth in Churwell. The clue's in the name btw - Churwell, Rothwell, Shadwell - these are all ex villages that have been accomodated into the city of Leeds over time (akin to Bramhope as it happens). Like I said, apples and oranges.
And the other side of the Harrogate road is considered to be more desirable than the Primley Parks. Wigton Lane, Alwoodley Lane and Ling Lane shouldn't be absent from any 'best of north Leeds' compliation.

Never mind, the arrogant certainty and insensitivity to local opinion that characterises the natural born Londoner wins the day.

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Good work Di Livio. Trinity roof looks great- it'll look fantastic at night when complete.

As for Londoners/home counties people relocating to Leeds... the only reason I'd see them locating to south Leeds is for superior transport connections to the city, and being able to get straight onto the motorway network.

Would a middle class professional relocating from the home counties really choose to live in Morley over north Leeds equivalents Wetherby, Yeadon, Otley?

we choose our first house in Leeds (Churwell) based pretty much solely on the name of the road... we loved the idea of living on Granny Avenue! novelty wore off after a while but it wasn't all that bad. we seem to be working through the "C" place names.... where next? Colton? Chapeltown? :D

Colton is nice! But, it's a relatively affluent area bordering some very unholy areas.

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Nice light!

I know that's looking the opposite direction, but the sunsets are amazing at the moment.

The roof of Trinity Leeds is certainly looking excellent with the glass on.

The roof is looking fantastic, even at this early stage, there is a lovely curvature to the shape of the dome, Im intrigued to see it from below.

^ I'm sure some pics will be released when the scaffolding comes down

Colton is nice! But, it's a relatively affluent area bordering some very unholy areas.

you could say the same about a lot of Leeds. it's surprising how the atmosphere of an area can change in the blink of an eye (or crossing of a road).

on topic.... the dome is looking fantastic. i really can't wait for this development as i can see myself spending as much time looking as the buildings and architecture as going in the shops :D

now thats sexy

Hey guys just thought id post a vid for you of bristol as it has lots of shots of Cabot circus in it .
It will give you an idea of what trinty will be like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m5trAt1WiAU

Hey guys just thought id post a vid for you of bristol as it has lots of shots of Cabot circus in it .
It will give you an idea of what trinty will be like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m5trAt1WiAU

Thanks for sharing. CC looks great on there - I'm a fan of new build shopping arcades with that kind of multi-level style. Liverpool One is also a big favourite of mine :) I can't imagine anything more removed from the old Trinity/burton arcade in terms of potential vibe and atmosphere. The photos of the dome have left me feeling like its not long til opening day.....well, only a year and a bit!! :D

View of Trinity West

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cliffordstead/6722736497/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cliffordstead/6722714051/

View of Trinity West

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cliffordstead/6722736497/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cliffordstead/6722714051/

By CliffordStead

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/cliffordstead/

How did they get that digger or drilling machine (whatever it is) on the roof!?

How did they get that digger or drilling machine (whatever it is) on the roof!?

He drove up the wall....


the crane put the digger up there

Anyway going back on topic I heard from someone a potentially major temporary store move as a consequence of the Trinity works although I cannot announce who that might be for it could apparently be occuring soon.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3078/2377718207_ec5780129f_z.jpg

Burton and Dorothy Perkins are to move out of their store on the corner of Briggate and The Headrow on the 21st January to BHS presumably (id have thought) for the duration of the Trinity Leeds works with another retailer soon moving into the Burton / DP unit (I guess it doesn't take too much to imagine who this would be). Is the other branch of Dorothy Perkins in the St Johns Centre remaining open for now?

Why? What benefit is this to them?

Whoever moves in, I hope they spruce the building up. Replacing the windows and repainting it would be nice.

That picture shows how much the road there needs resurfacing.. that's terribad!

That picture shows how much the road there needs resurfacing.. that's terribad!

...don't worry, another few months and the chewing gum will fill the holes up.:)

I'm pretty sure that bit of road is fixed now, the picture looks fairly old to me.

This is what the road looked like in 08..
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Leeds&ll=53.799193,-1.539862&spn=0.000006,0.00523&oe=UTF-8&hnear=Leeds,+West+Yorkshire,+United+Kingdom&gl=uk&t=m&z=18&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=53.799289,-1.541861&panoid=b21rF86eKWXxm_upBZnmnA&cbp=12,206.58,,0,11.17

A lot of roads in Leeds need resurfacing..

And yeah, I don't think I've ever noticed that section of the road being bad, so maybe it has already

I'm pretty sure that bit of road is fixed now, the picture looks fairly old to me.

This is what the road looked like in 08..
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Leeds&ll=53.799193,-1.539862&spn=0.000006,0.00523&oe=UTF-8&hnear=Leeds,+West+Yorkshire,+United+Kingdom&gl=uk&t=m&z=18&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=53.799289,-1.541861&panoid=b21rF86eKWXxm_upBZnmnA&cbp=12,206.58,,0,11.17

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/151/da9b67a74d944da1be8883a.png

Crisis averted people, calm down!!!!!! :nuts:

Why? What benefit is this to them?

Whoever moves in, I hope they spruce the building up. Replacing the windows and repainting it would be nice.

Well I had a brief look in BHS today wondering where the new temporary Burtons and Dorothy Perkins will be located although I saw no sign of where either will be located within BHS yet (guess it could be a case of putting in the Burton and Dorothy Perkins concessions overnight between Saturday and Sunday by creating a bit of space in BHS and putting up some associated Burton and Dorothy Perkins signage).

Also noticed within the former Leeds Shopping Plaza part of Trinity Leeds that the roof is now bare (with lighting, wires and insulation visible) although one thing which concerns me is that there is no longer any natural light going into the main north - south walkway through the Shopping Plaza (hope it isn't permanent) considering it would certainly look unattractive.

Green glass panels were being fitted on what will become the new River Island frontage today.

Green glass panels were being fitted on the what will be the new River Island frontage today.

That's good news.. hope they start on Topman/Topshop soon

The glass of the first storey looked largely complete when I walked past today. Looked good- although don't think it was green?

The glass of the first storey looked largely complete when I walked past today. Looked good- although don't think it was green?

When Di livio saw the glass it may have had protective film on it.

Lettings up at £350m Trinity Leeds
Last updated: 24th Jan 2012 at 08:01am

The £350m Trinity Leeds scheme is now 57.8 per cent pre-let with a further 7.9 per cent in solicitors' hands, according to Land Securities.

In a third quarter update, Land Sec said with Trinity Leeds still 13 months from completion its pre-let space had moved from 54 per cent in September 2011 to 57.8 per cent while the work in solicitors' hands had risen to 7.9 per cent.

The 816,980 sq ft development has confirmed occupants including Marks & Spencer, BHS, H&M, Boots, Primark, Topshop/Topman, River Island, Next, Hollister and Cult.

Construction work commenced in July 2010 and the scheme is to open in March 2013.

Commenting on the developer's performance over the quarter, chief executive Francis Salway said: "Despite weak economic news flow, we have continued to make progress in the period having completed a number of development lettings, and further reduced void levels on our portfolio.

"As is to be expected in a period of economic uncertainty, letting transactions are taking longer to execute."

insidermedia.com (http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/yorkshire/64982-lettings-350m-trinity-leeds/index.html)

I swear that has gone down, wasn't it 60odd percent at the last announcement? Still a year to ago though, if they could get to 80 percent that would be a decent amount let in the current unstable high street conditions.

I really don't know how Hammerson are going to fill Eastgate however, at least in its current form.

I think the previous figures included signed tenants and lets still in solicitors hands. So that would have been over 60%, but now it's more around 66% if you add the two together.

Trinity will be a success- there are more than enough big retailers confirmed, as well as the cinema and restaurants. If it opens and it's not fully let, I would put a sure bet that it would fill up quickly.

As for Eastgate... well Eastgate still has that all important name John Lewis. M&S are still committed too. In terms of the other units though, Eastgate will be able to provide much larger units that Trinity can't. Trinity has been able to provide a number of large units, but most are being taken by existing stores such as M&S, Topshop, River Island etc- the only real new large unit being created is Primark.

There are new retailers that are looking for large, anchor stores. I imagine these are the sort of retailers that'd move into Trinity. Forever 21 is a good example.

I think the previous figures included signed tenants and lets still in solicitors hands. So that would have been over 60%, but now it's more around 66% if you add the two together.

Trinity will be a success- there are more than enough big retailers confirmed, as well as the cinema and restaurants. If it opens and it's not fully let, I would put a sure bet that it would fill up quickly.

As for Eastgate... well Eastgate still has that all important name John Lewis. M&S are still committed too. In terms of the other units though, Eastgate will be able to provide much larger units that Trinity can't. Trinity has been able to provide a number of large units, but most are being taken by existing stores such as M&S, Topshop, River Island etc- the only real new large unit being created is Primark.

There are new retailers that are looking for large, anchor stores. I imagine these are the sort of retailers that'd move into Trinity. Forever 21 is a good example.

Well there are going to be a number of quite large vacant units which will be becoming available once Trinity Leeds opens which retailers such as say Forever 21 could occupy including the current River Island on the corner of Lands Lane and Albion Place, the Warehouse / Miss Selfridge / Evans (temporary Topman) unit which I guess could be combined into one large unit (on Lands Lane), Next (corner of Albion Street and Bond Street), a lot of space within The Core and on Briggate the Burton / Dorothy Perkins (temporary Topshop unit) and the Borders unit should quite surely attract new large floor plan retailers in advance of Eastgate which I personally think will still be a long way off considering economy and the fact that I would not want too many retail units opening within a short period considering that would surely lead to too thin a spread of new shops and existing units becoming overly empty.

Still personally think it is a shame that John Lewis couldn't be persuaded to temporarily occupy the former Lewis's / Allders unit in advance of Eastgate opening considering I can see it being a long time until that development is finally completed myself.

When you look at other Forever 21 stores in the UK, I can't see them wanting to open in any of the units you identify. The only one they might consider would be the current Next unit, and that woud be with an extensive refit.

The size of Forever 21's units that they have taken in the UK are huge, they have ranged from the smallest being 25,000 sq ft to largest being 70,000 sq ft, with a few of their stores being new build stores and the others being very extensive refit and refurbishment works to the units.

What about the Primark Store on the Headrow. That has to be the biggest unit in leeds, and would surely attract huge interest once Primark move into Trinity.

What about the Primark Store on the Headrow. That has to be the biggest unit in leeds, and would surely attract huge interest once Primark move into Trinity.

Primark aren't moving, they're opening the Trinity store as well because the existing Headrow store can't cope with the demand.

I'm also pretty confident it isn't the largest unit in Leeds. I'm sure most of the department stores are bigger, and perhaps TK Maxx too.

TK Maxx on The Headrow is the largest TK Maxx in the UK (or was, second to Glasgow if that was ever built)

The facade of the new River Island looks promising. A simple but interesting design that will be a positive addition to Briggate.

However, the stone cladding to the east of the Trinity Church looks very cheap IMO.

You mean where the D&D restaurant will be? In which case yes, I'd agree- but I suppose that's because it's more or less hidden by Holy Trinity.

I'm looking forward to works starting on Topshop- this will really create the sort of flagship anchor units that both Briggate and Leeds as a whole have needed for so long.

TK Maxx on The Headrow is the largest TK Maxx in the UK (or was, second to Glasgow if that was ever built)

Is that Primark you're talking about? I don't recall seeing a TK Maxx on the Headrow.

Massive store:

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/01/95/10/1951075_ab66a5c3.jpg

Massive store:

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/01/95/10/1951075_ab66a5c3.jpg


Where's my white stick?? :bash:

Here is a few sizes of the largest TK Maxx stores in the UK.

TK Maxx Glasgow - 45,000 sq ft
TK Maxx Leeds - 48,000 sq ft
TK Maxx Manchester - 50,000 sq ft

Noticed this Land Securities document which Austin Rothwell posted on the Retail thread which includes a very nice looking plan of the Trinity Leeds development:

First time poster so apologies if I do it wrong.
If you go to this document http://www.landsecurities.com/documentlibrary/Combined_presentation_print_FINAL.pdf , near the end of the document there is a whole section on White Rose which shows:


Interesting things spotted include a large expansion for Marks & Spencer, it appears that a pretty big unit could also be going to New Look and that there is to be a food court called Food Central as part of this development in addition to all the tenants which are known for this development.

On another note how exactly is Leeds only classed as a Principal Centre (ala Bristol, Newcastle or Nottingham) as opposed to the I assume more important sounding National Centre (ala Glasgow, Birmingham or Manchester)? Also whats with the derelict building on Page 90 which shows posters for a lot of Leeds related stuff? It makes me think of the long term poor state of Kirkgate east of Vicar Lane or the 1980s southside of Boar Lane personally? :ohno: Also I would surely imagine Briggate would surely increase footfall as a result of this development with visitors leaving Trinity heading over to the department stores, Victoria Quarter and other shops on Briggate. However there will certainly be a fair few stores moving into Trinity as a result and decent tenants will surely need to replace them sooner rather than later if the rest of the city centre isn't going to be disadvantaged as a result.

http://webcam-leeds.stage.lldev.co.uk/webcam_processed.jpg


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Wow!! The roof is really taking shape!!

TrinityLeeds section has a sharper image of the rooftop restaurant and roof structure.




http://www.cityexchangeleeds.co.uk/trinity-leeds.html





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Found another copy of the video i once posted that got removed
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Found another copy of the video i once posted that got removed

Trinity West with the new Primark looks particularly promising. I think this is going to be a great addition to the retail offering in Leeds, Mango, Apple, New Look, Jo Malone, Cadbury, office, warehouse, Schuh, Jack/Jones, Pret & 3 are all clearly visible in the video.

Found another copy of the video i once posted that got removed



Brilliant post, thanks for that.

I keep associating the words 'bland' and 'done on the cheap' with Trinity, but we'll see.
There's a little image to the right of the frame around 2.18, which gives a shot of the new buildings on lower Albion Street which used to be New Look.

Thinking about the old 1990s pic of Commercial St posted by Di Livio on the retail thread I wonder if former retailers of Commercial Street such as The Disney Store, Mappin & Webb and Russell & Bromley could be persuaded to return to Leeds city centre as part of the Trinity Leeds development. In addition I guess former Leeds Shopping Plaza and Trinity & Burton Arcade tenants such as Athena (who despite going under way back in 1995 still have a store in Harrogate and in several places in the south west (and indeed had a store in the Burton Arcade until around 2005), Body Shop (who had a store on the corner of the Trinity and Burton Arcades) and H Samuel (who had stores in both the Burton Arcade (by M&S) and in the Bond Street Centre (by BHS and H&M) could perhaps effectively reopen when the new development is completed?

Brilliant post, thanks for that.

I keep associating the words 'bland' and 'done on the cheap' with Trinity, but we'll see.
There's a little image to the right of the frame around 2.18, which gives a shot of the new buildings on lower Albion Street which used to be New Look.

I'm loving the Albion Street/Bond Street corner shown at the same point in the video. Looks a lot better than the mirror glass it replaces, and really like the wide looking centre entrance at the old Zavvi.

Trinity West with the new Primark looks particularly promising. I think this is going to be a great addition to the retail offering in Leeds, Mango, Apple, New Look, Jo Malone, Cadbury, office, warehouse, Schuh, Jack/Jones, Pret & 3 are all clearly visible in the video.

Until some of those retailers are confirmed I wouldn't count on them opening (if not necessarily in the places shown) - partly because the video actually features All Paints [All Saints], Now Look [New Look], Bin & Jirrys [Ben & Jerrys], Rad Latter Days [Red Letter Days], Amazoon.co.uk (Seriously?), La Coast [La Coste], Bant [Gant], Joe Malon [Jo Malone], Motel Chocolate [Hotel Chocolat], SONNY [Sony], Cabbury [not Cadbury], Prat A Menger [not Pret], 4Store [not 3]. Most of these aren't out of the realms of impossibility, but they're not confirmed yet.

Those where the brand is shown prominently [rather than glanced by in CG] are those they've confirmed so far.

Great video though, really gives you a better feel for the place, Trinity West in particular.

I'm not keen on Trinity west interior.

I'm not keen on Trinity west interior.

Agreed, looks like a bit of a bodge job to me - the outside is an improvement but could be better, and the inside looks like the same cramped space it's always been. Shame they couldn't have demolished the whole thing and started from scratch.

The link to the video mentioned above seems to be removed. Anyone got it anywhere else? Would love a skeg.

I've got it open in a tab but can't download it.. ideas?

I've got it open in a tab but can't download it.. ideas?

Download Hypercam and record it off the screen, then upload it to youtube if you can.

Too late- tried to replay it and it just said 'This video has been removed by the user'.

I don't get why the video gets uploaded and then removed every single time without fail.?.

Probably because they haven't got the rights for it, or that visualisation isn't correct any more.

The roof looks cool with snow on. It gives you an idea of how much glazing has been installed.

http://webcam-leeds.stage.lldev.co.uk/webcam_processed.jpg


I'm really liking the overwhelming glow in Leeds tonight

Was really bright earlier, but now the cloud has cleared it's not so bright.

The snow on the top of the dome looks incredible, and unusual! I wonder how much weight of snow it's supporting.

^^
Lets hope they have got their snow load calculations right!!!! :lol:

Noticed today that there are now concessions (albiet rather small ones) within BHS for Burton, Dorothy Perkins and Evans. Also Topshop / Topman on Briggate has now closed (for the Trinity Leeds works) with Im guessing the standalone temporary Topshop at the former Burton / Dorothy Perkins on the corner of Headrow and Briggate and the temporary Topman at the former Evans on Lands Lane now has signage up and shelves stocked which will presumably mean both will be opening tomorrow if not the next few days id have thought.

The temporary Topman and Topshop stores open on Wednesday.

The temporary Topman and Topshop stores open on Wednesday.

Both the new temporary Topman and Topshop units are now open.

Also noticed a licensing application outside the former Squares pub / Trinity Square building next door to Trinity Leeds has revealed that Sainsburys are interested in the unit. A bit meh considering the proximity to existing Sainsburys and M&S in Leeds railway station although at least a unit occupied by someone. I wonder if Sainsburys are to take on the whole of the former Squares site? Will office / residential be going in above the shop units at Trinity Square?

Surely the development of Trinity Leeds would potentially lead to other new retailers opening on Boar Lane either through the reconfiguration of existing buildings to house larger retailers or through retailers taking on vacant units such as the remaining part of the former Multiyork which Up & Running have partially taken on, Bar Censsa and a former bakers whose name escapes me and had rather an unattractive shop sign put up.

Hmm, I would have hoped this building should have been able to secure a beter tenant than Sainsburys, but then I suppose it'd be a big profit-spinner for Sainsbury's. EAT would do well here.

I wonder if Whole Foods or Booths are looking at Leeds at the moment?

Well so far there is only one unit under offer at Trinity Square, which is Unit D which is 2,200 sq ft, so that is probably the unit for Sainsbury's Local.

Retail space is due to be spread over ground and first floors for most of the units except for Unit D.

http://www.shopproperty.co.uk/Pdf/40004822984TNOO.pdf?id=86f5e946559f4555a7b061637fe94eed

The units are due to be ready for Spring, so it should not be long before Sainsbury's Local opens.

A friend of mine that works in Topshop said that they are due to move into the new Topshop/Topman in October.

http://webcam-leeds.stage.lldev.co.uk/webcam_processed.jpg

we get the picture

^^

Is that meant to be aimed at me is it? :lol: but hurt or something?

i agree with you though the glass does look good

Mamas & Papas has 62 UK stores, including six in Yorkshire. It is also in talks to open a store in the new Trinity Leeds shopping centre, due to open next year.

from the YP (http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/business/business-news/growing_company_looks_at_home_and_abroad_1_4244724)

Tucked away in a corner of West Yorkshire, lies one of the region’s biggest retail success stories.

The company designs and develops products for the nursery market, including prams, car seats, nursery furniture, toys and clothes. It has attracted a number of celebrity customers including Alicia Keys, Gwen Stefani and Sarah Jessica Parker.

Its Huddersfield head office is a hive of creativity and an explosion of colour. Everything is done from here: from a designer picking up a pen through to quality control. With 500 staff in the head office alone, it’s a vast operation which continues to expand but it still retains its family values.