Eastgate Quarters Development [Archive] - Page 3

5th Elevation

March 26th, 2007, 12:54 PM

Well I am certainly loving the renders for this scheme which will surely look good to have a variety of buildings by different architects that should give the scheme a high level of class. Does anyone know any architect firms that are on board for this development yet and if any big world names are to design buildings for this?

Doesn't look like it - following is an extract from the Architects section of the website:

Collaboration
Having secured outline planning for the new Eastgate Quarters in Leeds, consideration is being given to appointing a vibrant mix of practices capable of carrying the masterplan forward. Sir Terry Farrell and his urban design team welcomed more than 100 practices to The Leeds City Council stand at MIPIM to talk about the opportunities for collaboration. John Letherland, Head of Farrells Urban Design team said, "There is an opportunity here for the larger practices to work on some of the statement buildings, but also for smaller firms to get involved. We are not closed to working with architects from outside the UK either. This is about creating a real piece of the city. We want to find practices that show a real commitment to the concept and possess that inner spirit of collaboration.

The joint venture will create a £1 billion, 135,000 sq.m., retail led development, which will also include leisure, office, residential and community facilities with 2700 associated car parking spaces, as well as creating up to 600 new homes and 6000 new jobs for the city.

John Letherland said that the approach to broadening the team is unusual but was all "part of the excitement" of the project.

Which leads to the obvious question - who would you architectural "dream team" be for bringing forward the scheme?

harryd

March 26th, 2007, 05:42 PM

From the YEP:

£700m centre cleared by Kelly

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View GalleryPLANS for a £700m shopping, housing and leisure development in Leeds that could create 5,000 jobs have cleared another hurdle.

Communities and Local Government Secretary Ruth Kelly has announced she will not be "calling in" the huge Eastgate-Harewood quarter scheme for a public inquiry.

Council planners last month approved the development in principle and, under planning policy regulation, were obliged to forward the application to the Secretary of State.

Letter

A letter to the council from Ms Kelly's department said: "Having carefully considered the relevant planning issues raised by this proposal, together with all the representations received, the Secretary of State has concluded that her intervention would not be justified.

"The decision as to whether to grant planning permission will therefore remain with the council."

Work on the scheme which also includes over 600 homes, 100 shops and 2,700 car parking space could start next year and take four years to complete.

Val Verde

March 26th, 2007, 05:42 PM

Well obviously my wish would hopefully to see each of the big names in architecture provide something for this scheme and certainly to give the variety and street feel this scheme needs which is needed by mixing all forms of architecture whether it is traditional, post modern, avant garde etc mixing various styles would be best for this scheme. Surely we should see something spectacular for John Lewis who would undoubtadly want to do a Birmingham Selfridges for this scheme?

Also there is this article from today's YEP:

£700m centre cleared by Kelly

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View GalleryPLANS for a £700m shopping, housing and leisure development in Leeds that could create 5,000 jobs have cleared another hurdle.

Communities and Local Government Secretary Ruth Kelly has announced she will not be "calling in" the huge Eastgate-Harewood quarter scheme for a public inquiry.

Council planners last month approved the development in principle and, under planning policy regulation, were obliged to forward the application to the Secretary of State.

Letter

A letter to the council from Ms Kelly's department said: "Having carefully considered the relevant planning issues raised by this proposal, together with all the representations received, the Secretary of State has concluded that her intervention would not be justified.

"The decision as to whether to grant planning permission will therefore remain with the council."

Work on the scheme which also includes over 600 homes, 100 shops and 2,700 car parking space could start next year and take four years to complete.

Well it is certainly good that it is through that critical hurdle and hence it is only between Eastgate and LCC. Presumably the designs for each buildings will be put out to tender and then a year later the final application will go through for this scheme with the scheme starting in 2009. Surely there needs also to be news into what other large anchor tenants are to open in this scheme as well which I believe there is to be at least another department sized store as well as John Lewis.

LeedsLad

March 26th, 2007, 06:32 PM

onix

March 26th, 2007, 07:45 PM

Fred2

March 26th, 2007, 07:54 PM

Great news no unnecessary delays then :) Have to say I'm in 2 minds about the location of the John Lewis store as other people have mentioned... On one hand it's going to help attract people all the way into Eastgate, on the other hand is it stretching the city centre too far... It's quite a treck if you want to shop in BHS and John Lewis...

There were objections on that very point when the plans were discussed and approved. I am glad that there will be no further delays and no public enquiry so that this can now go ahead at full speed ?

rhinomatt

March 28th, 2007, 08:19 PM

Look at this Video:
http://www.eastgateleeds.co.uk/overview

:banana:

rhinomatt

March 28th, 2007, 08:27 PM

Fred2

March 28th, 2007, 08:29 PM

Rob

March 28th, 2007, 08:34 PM

The branding for this project worries me, I want this project to add to Leeds, not BE Leeds. "The new heart of Leeds." There is just something about this slogan, I know its only promotional talk but I would like to know what is being done to stop all the shops moving from VQ and all of the streets.
:)

It's only promotional talk, every single major proposal in Leeds claims to be the heart, or the greatest, or the tallest or whatever in Leeds, all totally wrong. Some claims are just completely ridiculous (not this one, but some spring to mind).

I'm sure there's enough scope in Leeds for a few more prestigue shops, I don't think VQ or Briggate and surrounding areas need to worry. The Shopping Plaza may though, but then they and USS need to pull their fingers out and get the Trinty Qtr going, prompto.

Fred2

March 28th, 2007, 08:41 PM

I'm sure there's enough scope in Leeds for a few more prestigue shops, I don't think VQ or Briggate and surrounding areas need to worry. The Shopping Plaza may though, but then they and USS need to pull their fingers out and get the Trinty Qtr going, prompto.

I think it was precisely the latter who raised objections at the planning meeting - which went on for two hours. Nevertheless, it does affect the one big advantage that Leeds as a shopping centre has up to now enjoyed - its compactness.

SirCWilson

March 28th, 2007, 09:01 PM

I think it was precisely the latter who raised objections at the planning meeting - which went on for two hours. Nevertheless, it does affect the one big advantage that Leeds as a shopping centre has up to now enjoyed - its compactness.

I don't think it's really a realistic complaint. It was mostly self-interest from the Plaza's point of view - oh no! rivals! That isn't fair! We'll have to - have to - we'll have to refurbish our horrible mall!

I know we disagree widely on the ease of walking around Leeds, so let's try not to go there again - I don't reckon John Lewis'll be too far myself, surprisingly enough, and don't forget the Free City Bus which seems to be here to stay (and adjust routes to reflect development) - but perhaps there's another way of looking at it. Leeds will end up with two compact retail sectors - the Trinity Quarter/Plaza/Albion Street, and the Eastgate/Harewood Quarter and the Market, with Briggate in the middle. A shopper wouldn't necessarily visit both quarters in one day; but they could arrive at the rail station and shop around there and Briggate, as today, or they could arrive at the bus station and shop in Eastgate/Harewood and Briggate - a similar sort of journey to the first. That sort of shopping habit - not unusual, I don't think, in larger cities - would also allow for brands such as HMV to open multiple stores in different parts of the city.

And if Leeds gains a reputation as a place with two days worth of shopping to enjoy - then, where is one to stay overnight in order to experience both offers? Why, in one of the many hotels around Clarence Dock, that's where, so we can indulge ourselves further at the fashion stores and restaurants, and spend even more at the casino! I'll use my hefty executive bonus, and I'll book it now!

rhinomatt

March 28th, 2007, 09:09 PM

Sent to the website contact form, from rhinomatt:
Dear Eastgateleeds,
I am a huge fan of your new project and living in Leeds all my life I can see that this is a good project that the city needs and has done for a very long time. While I understand that you want to create a strong lively aria it worries me that this well designed, planed and organised project will make shops in Victoria Quarter, on Briggate and in the rest of the city centre as it stands now. I am aware that you project is also a business and it is your objective to compete with these and become the “market leader” as such. However I am shore that you are aware that you need these other arias and shopping centres of the city for people to be interested in purchasing and/ or renting your properties. If this Project aims to become the “new heart of Leeds” then it needs to be aware that if it takes all the shops from the rest of the city than it won’t be the heart it will be Leeds, this is a bad thing. I do hope you take into consideration what I have said and do not try to crush all the other shopping arcades, streets and centres in Leeds and work more towards binging new retailers into Leeds such as a D&G shop or even having more than one city centre shop like having two large HMV’s. Please don’t misinterpret my words as I do like your project and support it fully in everyway but whilst on your website I did start to worry that you aim to persuade shops from other arias in the city to use Eastgate instead.
Furthermore is there any DVD’s, Booklets or public plans (ECT...) that you have that you could possibly send me for free. I am simply a member of the public that has an interest in Leeds projects and would like to look into your project a little bit more as it deeply interests me. I would also like to ask if you have confirmed/ are in talks with any retailers, restaurants, cafés, and designers ECT... other than John Luis and if you know what company will be taking over the cinema yet.

Thank you for taking your time to read my email and I hope to here from you soon,

Yours,

Matthew Wharton.

I hope I haven’t made a fool of myself it was one of my spur of the moment things. I shall keep you all up to date with my reply though.

I can already see mistakes.

Fred2

March 28th, 2007, 09:38 PM

I suppose there's always a downside to every plan and the extension of the shopping area may be a disadvantge but I don't think it will be a disaster - hopefully it will stimulate the Plaza and Trinity to get on with things - though it COULD (has anyone thought about this?) have the opposite effect.

However I have a query: if Eastgate is to be fully pedestrianised where will all the traffic - especially the buses - go?

SirCWilson

March 28th, 2007, 10:30 PM

However I have a query: if Eastgate is to be fully pedestrianised where will all the traffic - especially the buses - go?

Blimey. Where to start? There's an awful lot of depth on this one, which is almost impossible to cover on a forum like this. In short, though:

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/6325/eastgateus9.jpg

Traffic will be routed roughly along the red lines there. I can't remember which side of the A64 is to be used: I think it's a new road where I've drawn it there. St Peter's Street gets 'straightened' as part of the development. Scope remains for Supertram or, more accurately, Supertram's eventual replacement to run down Eastgate. Bus stops will all be upgraded, rationalised and rearranged along George Street and Vicar Lane, and routes in and out of the bus station altered to be more sensible and be less 'engineered'. You kind of have to forget everything you know is true about the buses around this area; they've rethought large parts of the system to accomodate this development.

I linked a little way back to the pdfs that the council made available of the planning application - I can't remember if there's much there that will illuminate you but if you've got some spare time and want some more in-depth detail, try looking there.

onix

March 28th, 2007, 10:33 PM

Leeds No.1

March 28th, 2007, 11:51 PM

On the previous website, it implied that Eastgate was going to be semi-pedestrianised. ie closed to traffic but buses allowed. Maybe in a similar way to what Briggate used to be like?

Fred2

March 29th, 2007, 12:31 AM

On the previous website, it implied that Eastgate was going to be semi-pedestrianised. ie closed to traffic but buses allowed. Maybe in a similar way to what Briggate used to be like?

No, No. 1. This is from the Civic Trust website about the scheme:-

Essentially the whole area will be pedestrianised with the closure to traffic of Eastgate, Lady Lane, Bridge Street, Templar Street, Templar Place, Union Street, Harewood Street, Sydney Street and Millgarth Street. Should Super Tram or the bus alternative ‘Super Trolley’ ever be built, it would run down Eastgate.

If buses are to be redirected up/down George St/Dyer St. it must surely have to be widened.

Rob

March 29th, 2007, 12:43 AM

it does affect the one big advantage that Leeds as a shopping centre has up to now enjoyed - its compactness.

It'll still be very compact indeed compared to most big city shopping centres.

Fred2

March 29th, 2007, 12:55 AM

It'll still be very compact indeed compared to most big city shopping centres.

Some posters have mentioned shoppers coming to Leeds by train. I don't know how big a proportion of the total shopping public in Leeds does come by rail but whatever, it IS a long way from the station to where John Lewis is to be sited. Hopefully there will be new bus routes to service that end of town. I don't know other towns too well apart from Manchester, Sheffield and Birmingham. For the extra size of the latter and its population compared to Leeds, I would think its shopping area is fairly compact.

Leeds No.1

March 29th, 2007, 01:09 AM

From Harrogate about 60% of people come by train, 40% by bus for shopping purposes Id estimate.

Fred2

March 29th, 2007, 01:14 AM

SirCWilson

March 29th, 2007, 01:27 AM

No, No. 1. This is from the Civic Trust website about the scheme:-

Essentially the whole area will be pedestrianised with the closure to traffic of Eastgate, Lady Lane, Bridge Street, Templar Street, Templar Place, Union Street, Harewood Street, Sydney Street and Millgarth Street. Should Super Tram or the bus alternative ‘Super Trolley’ ever be built, it would run down Eastgate.

If buses are to be redirected up/down George St/Dyer St. it must surely have to be widened.

I don't think widening it will be a problem. What lies to the north of this street? Eastgate and Harewood quarter. Bear in mind, also, that it's not just that those streets are being pedestrianised; other, new streets are being created as pedestrian only, too. The whole network of street here is changing beyond recognition, it's not just a case of blocking a few roads off.

Two very relevant pdfs for you to look at: here (http://www.leeds.gov.uk/files/2006/week34/inter__5e727b5a-23a2-48e0-8762-b3093851a478_b22b9de9-67b1-41ec-963b-614c5bbd709c.pdf) and here (http://www.leeds.gov.uk/files/2006/week34/inter__5e727b5a-23a2-48e0-8762-b3093851a478_549d5e72-f39f-4143-b4ae-d0b7577898a1.pdf). Those are the parts of the planning application as submitted which show proposed bus routes, facilities and flows. I'm sure there were minor amendments before approval was granted but the principles remain the same. Hope they're useful to some of you.

The Oil

March 29th, 2007, 01:30 AM

It'll still be very compact indeed compared to most big city shopping centres.

Sense at last. If the Harewoo Quarter AND the Trinity Centre are built I still think we'll be at most half the size of Manchester and Brum City Centre. Dunno about L'pool but it's such an easy centre to walk around let alone across.

SirCWilson

March 29th, 2007, 01:40 AM

Has anyone thought about the point I raised in # 533 ?

"hopefully it will stimulate the Plaza and Trinity to get on with things - though it COULD (has anyone thought about this?) have the opposite effect ".

I'm not sure what you're suggesting. They'll pack up and go home, leaving a can of lighter fluid and a match behind them? Insurance job, because they can't compete?

I really don't understand where you're coming from. One minute you're complaining that Leeds is well behind other cities in terms of retail offer. The next, you're implying that new retail development in the city will retard the rest of Leeds' shopping centre. If the other city centres which you believe Leeds lags behind - and which, you constantly remind us, will not be 'standing still' while Eastgate/Harewood/Trinity are built, and so will presumably be expanding even more in terms of size and floorspace - can already handle the amount of retail you believe Leeds needs to catch up to - then 1) you're doing my head in completely and 2) what's your point?

You seem to have made all the following points:

1. Leeds lags behind other cities in terms of retail offer.
2. Leeds should improve it's retail offer.
3. Other cities have better retail offers without problem, and thrive.
4. Other cities will expand even more while Leeds catches up to where they are now.
5. Expanding Leeds' retail offer could lead to a too-large retail area, but still smaller than the area other cities can handle.
6. Expanding Leeds' retail offer could impair the development of it's existing retail offer which is already smaller than the retail offer other cities handle quite comfortably, and which they are planning to expand.

I can't make it add up, Fred.

Fred2

March 29th, 2007, 02:57 AM

I'm sorry I confuse you Sir Charles.

It would seem that as there is to be no referral back to goverment this development should face no obstacles and build according to published schedule. It could well be therefore that it will be completed before the Shopping Plaza and Trinity and the developers of these must now be aware of this. Will they put all the stoppers out to build their schemes? I doubt it now - even if they could (remember there are still shops trading in the Trinity area). Retailers waiting to come to Leeds (and everyone seems to think they are falling over themselves in the queue to set up here) will choose the Harewood/Scheme probably in preference - I don't know I just throw it out as a possibility.

My complaint about Leeds is not that its 'retail offer' is poor or that it should not be expanded. I have already hinted that I disregarded the objection raised by precisely the developers of Trinity etc. - that is why I raised the question I asked in the first place.

My complaint is about the current RANGE of choice offered to Leeds shoppers and I have emphasised this point in many of my postings.

joeyB_86

March 29th, 2007, 05:00 AM

Fred2

March 29th, 2007, 10:01 AM

I know you aren't actually been overly serious Fred and that you are only playing devils advocate a lot of the time (which is good- a critical mind is a progressive mind).

However, do you mean the proposed retail expansion offers a very limited range of shops? By that I mean department stores and the usual mixture of topshop, next, subway, maccy Ds, gregs, etc. and puts it all in a sterile setting? If this is the case I would agree with you Fred.

I think this developement needs to do something a bit special and unexpected if it will truely improve the shopping experience of leeds. I personally would like to see a creative use of the space to make unique, green, open, relaxing social spaces, as this would, I think we would all agree, complement a days shopping very well.

Also, I hope there is some insentives to bring independant and interesting shops to the area. It is a real shame that china town couldnt have been encoperated into the design.

We already have the boring shops, and if they want to have more, let us shove them into trinity. If Eastagte is to be a real gem for the city, Fred is right! It can't just offer the same shite stores (in my opinion).

Joey, you are right (and perceptive), much of the time I do play devil's advocate. Unfortunately, to fill the extra space supplied by Harewood/Eastgate there will have to be more of those boring shops. But we will get John Lewis and by the sounds of things Waitrose as well. And hopefully even more independent smaller and more exclusive shops - all to provide the RANGE of retail experience that I keep banging on about. One or two small street markets would not come amiss either to contribute to that range. As for green spaces, there is a lack of provision of these in the plans and the Civic Trust was quick to point this out and hopes they may still be provided.

Leeds No.1

March 29th, 2007, 10:11 AM

Eastgate/Harewood Qtr will deliver about 100 new shops right? And there are well over 100 shops waiting to move into Leeds. Fair enough, some of these won't move in because of their floorspace requirements, but Im sure many will! It will bring new shops to Leeds, as well as the usual fast food, coffee shops and probably something like Boots or WHSmith.

SirCWilson

March 29th, 2007, 10:31 AM

I'm sorry I confuse you Sir Charles.

It would seem that as there is to be no referral back to goverment this development should face no obstacles and build according to published schedule. It could well be therefore that it will be completed before the Shopping Plaza and Trinity and the developers of these must now be aware of this.

Thanks for clearing that up, but you're off beam here. Trinity Quarter is waaay ahead of Eastgate/Harewood. Trinity has full planning permission and a legally complete CPO - no matter that a few shops are yet to close. Eastgate/Harewood has outline planning permission, and they haven't designed a single building yet. Trinity is also a much less complex build judged simply in terms of size) and I have little doubt that it will be completed much sooner.

Fred2

March 29th, 2007, 10:42 AM

Thanks for clearing that up, but you're off beam here. Trinity Quarter is waaay ahead of Eastgate/Harewood. Trinity has full planning permission and a legally complete CPO - no matter that a few shops are yet to close. Eastgate/Harewood has outline planning permission, and they haven't designed a single building yet. Trinity is also a much less complex build judged simply in terms of size) and I have little doubt that it will be completed much sooner.

Thanks for that information. If the Trinity developers continue to be as dilatory as they appear tyo have been so far their development may not get built first! Also the fact that John Lewis, which is very successful and expanding aggressively, will be the large anchor store in Harewood/Eastgate must be a big point in favour of it for the siting of smaller retailers as against Trinity.

joeyB_86

March 29th, 2007, 04:40 PM

Joey, you are right (and perceptive), much of the time I do play devil's advocate. Unfortunately, to fill the extra space supplied by Harewood/Eastgate there will have to be more of those boring shops. But we will get John Lewis and by the sounds of things Waitrose as well. And hopefully even more independent smaller and more exclusive shops - all to provide the RANGE of retail experience that I keep banging on about. One or two small street markets would not come amiss either to contribute to that range. As for green spaces, there is a lack of provision of these in the plans and the Civic Trust was quick to point this out and hopes they may still be provided.

I like your idea about street markets. I think that would be brilliant! I know there isn't much room for social space, but I think with good a good design, I think even a little bit of social space can be made amazing. And yes, I know there will have to be a few generic stores (unfortunately) but I do hope they are kept to a minimum through clever planning.

di Livio

April 2nd, 2007, 05:13 PM

Apologies if this is old material.

Eastgate and Harewood Quarter Outline Plan Gets the Go Ahead

by Dr Kevin Grady

The outline planning application by Hammersons and Town Centre Securities to build the Eastgate and Harewood Quarter was granted approval in principle by the Leeds City Centre Plans Panel on 8 February. This is the largest development which the panel is ever likely to consider, and in recognition of this a three-hour panel meeting was devoted to considering the application. In a departure from normal practice, five objectors were each allowed 3 minutes to address the panel.

The principal features of the scheme are as follows:

Pretty well comprehensive redevelopment of the 10 hectares site (see illustration)
The restoration of Templar House, Templar Hotel, the Eastgate Fountain and 7-27 Eastgate (the north side)
The demolition of the Lyons Works (the ‘China Town building’); Circle House; Bridge Street Chapel; all the buildings to the east of Bridge Street between the inner ring road flyover and St Peter’s Street/Regent Street; the Eastgate book end buildings (though they will be rebuilt 12 metres higher up Eastgate); and the whole of the south side of Eastgate. The application does not include the demolition of Millgarth Police Station.
The development will comprise:

Up to 112,000 square metres of retail (including a John Lewis store with a food store). This will add about one-third to the city centre’s retail space.
Up to 9,700 square metres of offices
A cinema, gym, medical centre, crèche, church facility
A 120 bedroom hotel
Up to 5,000 square metres of restaurants, cafes and bars
Up to 600 residential units with 400 parking spaces
A 2,700 space public car park
Essentially the whole area will be pedestrianised with the closure to traffic of Eastgate, Lady Lane, Bridge Street, Templar Street, Templar Place, Union Street, Harewood Street, Sydney Street and Millgarth Street. Should Super Tram or the bus alternative ‘Super Trolley’ ever be built, it would run down Eastgate.

Within the bounds of what is possible in a three-hour meeting, consideration of the scheme by the Plans Panel was commendably thorough. The Council officers presented a 1½- hour review of the scheme and the objections made to it. This was followed by the three-minute presentation by five objectors, a fifteen-minute response by the applicants, and one hour of discussion by the panel members.

For a scheme whose virtues have received a great deal of publicity from the applicants and for which our views have been well covered in our Newsletter, it is particularly interesting to note what the objectors had to say. In a strong written statement read by Planning Officers, Land Securities. owner of the Leeds Shopping Plaza and the Trinity Quarter (shopping centres which clearly will feel the impact of the proposed development), objected that the development will have a negative effect on the rest of the city centre shopping area. The siting of the John Lewis store right on the edge of the shopping area, they argued, will drag trade away from the area; the John Lewis store should be more centrally located. The provision of a large car park on the edge of the shopping area will have a similar effect.

The owner of Circle House made an impassioned plea for the retention of the building because, built in 1938, it is a rare early example of the use of curtain-walling technique in its facade and it has important associations with the tailoring trade unions.

The ‘Quarry Hill’ Group, representing the West Yorkshire Playhouse, Caddicks and other Quarry Hill site owners, felt that this was a lost major opportunity to end the severance between Quarry Hill and the rest of the city centre. They suggested that the pedestrian links, although improved, would not deliver the very major benefit which could be achieved by a wide pedestrian bridge over St Peter’s Street. They felt that the developers’ suggestions that possibly in the future they might acquire the Police Station, and then might create a bridge link, were not acceptable.

Objection was also made by the Leeds Sports Bar which runs a social club with 5,000 members based in the Lyons Building objecting to its demolition. Also Wing Lee Hoy, the director of the Chinese supermarket on Vicar Lane, said his business would be damaged by the loss of storage facilities.

I presented the Trust’s three principal objections. Firstly, we object to the extent of demolition: notably the Lyons Works (the China Town building) and Circle House. We would still prefer to see the Eastgate Bookends retained but feel that their reconstruction 12 metre higher up Eastgate and the rebuilding of the southern side of Eastgate up to Vicar Lane in the style of Blomfield represents an overall gain.

Secondly, we are unhappy about the lack of greenspace/pocket parks in the development. Since this is a 10-hectare development, with a large amount of brownfield land, we feel there no excuse for the absence of a small quiet public space with trees and grass away from the main activity routes. Finally, we regret the loss, due to demolition, of the embryonic China Town and the important diversity of existing uses on the site; all part of local character and continuity.

Did the Plans Panel Make the Right Decision?

Five members of the panel voted in favour of approval and two against. Those against objected to the inadequacy of green space provision, the lack of a pedestrian bridge link to Quarry Hill, and the realignment of Bridge Street necessitating the demolition of Circle House and the Eastgate bookend buildings.

Considering that this scheme has been in the pipeline for more than two years, and has received detailed consideration and discussion by all parties, it certainly was time for a decision. The scheme did get a very good airing at the panel meeting and on the balance of what was presented to them the panel’s decision was not unreasonable. The Trust has consistently supported the overall aspirations of the scheme which is very important to the future success of Leeds city centre as a regional shopping centre.

Our disappointment is that had the Development Department obliged the developers to address the issues of the extent of development and the need for green space in the scheme right from the start, the scheme presented to the Plans Panel could have been much better. We continue to believe that the demolition of some of the buildings of character is unnecessary. It was pleasing to hear panel members in their closing discussion expressing a keen interest to be closely involved in the future evolution of the detailed design. We believe there is still an opportunity at the detailed design stage to address the issues of the links to Quarry Hill, the inclusion of green space and the retention of more of the existing uses, especially the Chinese elements. The councillors on the Plans Panel can still influence this.

The issue of the possible detrimental impact of the scheme on retailing in the rest of the city centre is one which will remain of concern. The indications from the City Council are that they are determined to move heaven and earth to ensure that the quality of the rest of the city centre has been very substantially upgraded by the time the Eastgate and Harewood Quarter opens, so that any potential negative effects are mitigated. The prospect of the new development looming must surely be a powerful stimulus to the owners of Leeds Shopping Plaza and the Trinity Quarter to get a move on with their own redevelopment.

What happens now?
The application has now been referred to the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government who may ‘call in’ the application and determine it after consideration at a Public Inquiry. The reasons for the referral are that the large extent of retail development automatically triggers a referral, and the position of the proposed John Lewis store just outside the designated City Centre Retail Area is a departure from the Unitary Development Plan. Should the Secretary of State decide not to call in the application for determination, then the final approval of the outline application will be delegated to the Chief Planning Officer subject to specified planning conditions.

Dr Kevin Grady is Director of Leeds Civic Trust.

Fred2

April 2nd, 2007, 06:44 PM

Yes, this account of the planning meeting was in the current Newsletter of the Civic Trust. I have referred to it in previous postings (#489,525,547) in relation to the objections raised about the scheme detracting from the existing shopping area and the siting such a long way from it of the John Lewis store - also the lack of a link to Quarry Hill and the lack of green spaces provision,

leeds the best

April 3rd, 2007, 11:39 AM

I read the new scheme will also have a waitrose.

rhinomatt

April 13th, 2007, 03:58 PM

http://www.leedscivictrust.org.uk/eastgate.htm

di Livio

April 27th, 2007, 04:11 PM

Val Verde

April 27th, 2007, 09:31 PM

The previous Harewood Quarter design by FJ architects of Wakefield.

http://www.fjarchitects.co.uk/retail/images/1734_regeneration2.jpg

http://www.fjarchitects.co.uk/retail/images/1734_regeneration1.jpg

Thats very over reliant on terracotta tiling. Was this presumably proposed in the early 2000s when that style seemed to have been in vogue? Did they propose to design the whole site as opposed to the present plans where a wide variety of architects were to design different buildings. Guess what we will see will be much better than what was proposed on those pictures (hopefully).

joeyB_86

May 5th, 2007, 07:22 PM

Another tiny victory: http://www.leeds.gov.uk/moderngov/ieDecisionDetails.asp?ID=32229&J=1

Rob

May 6th, 2007, 01:02 PM

Well spotted, that's another good step forward allowing the highway works to progress with design. I assume the highways works will be one of the earlier parts of development works.

5th Elevation

May 10th, 2007, 12:14 PM

Another tiny victory: http://www.leeds.gov.uk/moderngov/ieDecisionDetails.asp?ID=32229&J=1

There are also loads of compulsory purchase notices around the site

Naboo

May 10th, 2007, 12:38 PM

5th Elevation

May 10th, 2007, 06:04 PM

Could someone give me clarification on which buldings will be demolished under the current proposals. My knowledge of buildings and street names around this area is pretty poor to be honest.

I'm thinking...

The China town/Sports Bar building?
The boarded up 2 storey building opposite China town (lady lane)?
The bookends?
Any others of note?

Thanks

From the planning application it looks as if:

- China town building (known as Lyon Works) goes, although there appears to be an "option to retain" the 1930s extension - i.e. the bit with little architectural merit. Seems a bit odd to me.
-Boarded up building opposite, which is known as Templar House gets restored (I think it's listed anyway)
-Bookends get demolished and rebuilt a few metres further up Eastgate
- Templar Hotel (the lovely little pub with the Burmantofts tiling at the top of Vicar lane) stays.
-90-94 Vicar Lane stays (its one of the three Blomfield corner buildings and it's listed). Interestingly it looks as if they are going to demolish the building attached to it (the Leeds Gas Showroom) and rebuild Blomfield's original design.
- 10-25 Eastgate stays but will be substantially remodelled. One of the plans show a "The Light" type Blomfield arch cut through the building to Templar House.
-Apparently there's a small Georgian building (the Wharrams Building?) on Lady lane which is staying as well. Can't say I recall seeing that.
- Everything else goes............

di Livio

May 11th, 2007, 02:56 PM

-Apparently there's a small Georgian building (the Wharrams Building?) on Lady lane which is staying as well. Can't say I recall seeing that.

It's integrated into the existing bookends. You can see it from Lady lane.

Munro

May 11th, 2007, 07:41 PM

Naboo

May 11th, 2007, 09:47 PM

I can agree with all of the elements to retain, however keeping that part known as the Wharram building adjacent to the China Town Building beats me!

I wonder how the developer will get round retaining the Templar House Building boarded up beside the car park? Its in a real state.

Yes I would be interested to know what the plan for Templer House will be, this is the building I hoped they would keep.

I'd also keep the entire China Town building, I hate the idea of so much old stuff being demolished. I'm very new to this kind of thing but aren't these the sort of lessons we should of learnt from The Merrion/St Johns centres?

Although I think it's needed, i'm not convinced by this entire project.

Munro

May 11th, 2007, 10:46 PM

I think this one at least keeps the historic streetscape of the City. Some of it seems to be enclosed but the rest is of differing uses, other than retail. Merrion and St Johns were developments of their time and this was what people/retailers wanted.

Re the China Town Building, does anyone know what will happen to the occupants? Are the Council relocating them or are they going to just get turfed out on the street. I see a big political issue on the horizon for them.

Noticed a substantial amount of resi for this proposal. Hope they are proposing a good mix for the scheme rather than 1/2 bed flats for singletons and 20/30 something couples! What about appartments for families?

di Livio

May 12th, 2007, 02:55 PM

Re the China Town Building, does anyone know what will happen to the occupants? Are the Council relocating them or are they going to just get turfed out on the street. I see a big political issue on the horizon for them.

The occupants will be turfed out unless they pay higher rent, however, these businesses have been involved in the consultation process so they should have made plans to evacuate already. I can't remember any of the Chinatown businesses objecting to the scheme.

I was thinking about the Labour exchange yesterday, it would be a shame to lose it, hopefully they can salvage the lions head pediment above the doorway. i think some of the buildings down that end will be designed in consultation with John Thorp to make sure they respect the brick and portland stone design of the area, so it won't all be about replacing the old with the shiny and new.

Even Flow

May 15th, 2007, 07:19 PM

http://www.eastgateleeds.co.uk/downloads/docs/LP03/DesignStatement_Section7.pdf

Interesting, though some of you may have seen some of it beforehand.
If you have time (unlikely!) to read through all the documents most of what you want to know is in there, though there are a few grey areas which I'm sure will be resolved in the near future.

"The development team will start to engage with practices in the Summer / Autumn of 2007" :)

http://www.eastgateleeds.co.uk/downloads/docs/LP03/DesignStatement_Section1.pdf
Page 4 shows an aerial view of the model that I'm not sure has been posted (I may be wrong though).

Leeds No.1

May 15th, 2007, 10:11 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6650000/newsid_6659600/6659641.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm

A report on the Eastgate and Harewood Quarters.

Orgoglioso

May 15th, 2007, 10:30 PM

Excellent find Leeds no1.

onix

May 15th, 2007, 10:35 PM

Orgoglioso

May 15th, 2007, 10:35 PM

Is it me or is there a fairly tall looking tower where the police station is?

onix

May 15th, 2007, 10:36 PM

onix

May 15th, 2007, 10:40 PM

Orgoglioso

May 15th, 2007, 10:48 PM

did anyone know that a tower proposal was for that site? these people seem to think so, Lumiere was on there as well i noticed

Orgoglioso

May 15th, 2007, 11:35 PM

it looks like a small version of beetham in Birmingham shapewise.

5th Elevation

May 15th, 2007, 11:50 PM

it looks like a small version of beetham in Birmingham shapewise.

There's also something odd going on at the the market - looks like a couple of new buildings there.

joeyB_86

May 16th, 2007, 12:13 AM

I think we can all agree that the best thing about the developement is the ginnals.

Leeds No.1

May 16th, 2007, 01:27 AM

Im a bit worried that the ginnels, while unique, will become a bit of a neglected feature and an attractive place for crime...

di Livio

May 16th, 2007, 02:38 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6650000/newsid_6659600/6659641.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm

A report on the Eastgate and Harewood Quarters.

Brilliant find el no.1.

I used to have to wait for my bus by Knock on Wood, and there's something about the scale of that area of the city which i feel is quite unique in Leeds. It should provide some pipe smoking material for those pesky Mancs who say Leeds has 'no big city feel'.

Andrew Carter's attitude worries me a bit though.

joeyB_86

May 16th, 2007, 03:45 PM

I might just be being stupid, but when it shows that model (in the BBC report) what is the tower on the left? Is it on the site of the police station or something?

5th Elevation

May 16th, 2007, 04:01 PM

Yes, but the police station isn't (as far as I know ) part of the scheme. It looks like there are a few other changes as well - bit of poetic licence by the model builder?

joeyB_86

May 16th, 2007, 04:06 PM

well lets hope it comes to fruition. It would be a good site for a tower.

Leeds No.1

May 16th, 2007, 05:15 PM

onix

May 16th, 2007, 05:26 PM

Fred2

May 16th, 2007, 06:44 PM

they won't be saying that in a few years :)

And in the meantime Manchester will stand still?

Leeds No.1

May 16th, 2007, 07:15 PM

Thats a point, Manchester's always gonna have more than Leeds; always has done always will do. Why dont we just give up now, its pointless even trying. Who's ridiculous idea was it to even come up with the idea of a new shopping area. Lets just cancel the idea. Its pathetic that Leeds even is trying to regenerate.

Fred2

May 16th, 2007, 07:37 PM

Rob

May 16th, 2007, 08:25 PM

Cheer up 'No.1, there's much more to it than sprawling size .. compact quality is a much more desirable attribute in my, LCC's, and I think most public's point of view. Leeds compact centre of centres and malls effectively centred around Briggate will be complete when Trinity and Harewood/Eastgate are built, and will offer almost as much as anywhere outside London, in arguably the best quality environment (of similar size) anywhere in the UK.

onix

May 16th, 2007, 10:00 PM

Leeds No.1

May 16th, 2007, 10:06 PM

Manchester and Birmingham have already had their flagship projects. Ontop of that, Manchester and Sheffield have their shopping centres that affect the city centre trade.

JOliver

May 16th, 2007, 10:27 PM

And in the meantime Manchester will stand still?

Does not matter. I'll be happy if Leeds gets a bit bigger and a lot nicer, even if Brum/Liv or even Manc do the same.

LeedsLad

May 16th, 2007, 10:47 PM

And in the meantime Manchester will stand still?

Don't think it will, however it is unlikely to see anything like Eastgate AND Trinity over the next few years...

joeyB_86

May 16th, 2007, 11:11 PM

and yet no mention has been made that "Broadgate" (rubish name)is under way and maybe the headrow shopping centre might be finished by then if they get their act together.

Basically, half of Leeds is being refitted. Which city can say that?

joeyB_86

May 16th, 2007, 11:13 PM

Yet to mention the regeneration of the market in planning:

http://www.leeds.gov.uk/moderngov/Published/C00000173/M00001090/AI00007522/LeedsKirkgateMarket.pdf

onix

May 16th, 2007, 11:25 PM

onix

May 16th, 2007, 11:27 PM

joeyB_86

May 16th, 2007, 11:32 PM

knowing Leeds, I wouldn't be suprised if there was some use of grey plastic somewhere :lol:

Leeds No.1

May 17th, 2007, 01:30 AM

Did someone mention Clarence Dock? Goodness, so they did.

-Harewood and Eastgate Quarter
-Broadgate
-Trinity Quarter
-Headrow Centre
-Markets
-Clarence Dock
-CornX
-Granary Wharf

name a few refits/new builds/renovations!

Benney

May 17th, 2007, 09:55 AM

Leeds does have a big city feel- its silly when people say it doesnt. City Square, Park Row, Infirmary Street feel like London. The city feel just isnt as extensive as it is in London.

Harewood/Eastgate Qtrs look like they will bring shopping into Leeds in a city style (alot of new shopping developments are quite town like really).

'safunny thing but I've spoken to quite a few folk from the south recently who have visited Leeds and were really taken with the place. Some of the qualities they liked were that it was big and modern and looked as though things were really happening. (They also thought that the people were very friendly). I think that compared with the majority of English cities Leeds has a very dense urban feel, coming out of the station is quite impressive, surrounded as one is by tall buildings. Though not on the same scale, it reminds me in some ways of Berlin. It does need decent transport though. As for Eastgate being a long way from the current centre, distance between places doesn't deter people from shopping in London. Knightsbridge to Oxford Street, how far is that ? If the shops are worth it then people will go there. While I'm on this rant, Queen Victoria Street and the arcades are just about the finest enclosed urban experience to be had anywhere, and I'm including Vittorio Emmanuel in Milan.

Leeds No.1

May 17th, 2007, 10:11 AM

I used to live down south so loads of people always come up to see us and we often go into town (sometimes coz its easier if theyre coming on the train) and they really like Leeds.

I would say that some of the shopping area has a "big town" feel- Central Square etc but as soon as you get to Albion Place to the west, or The Headrow that feel is lost for the city. Dortmund Square, Merrion, The Light, Albion Place, Boar Lane and Vicar Lane have city feels, it cumulates at City Square.

Although Briggate doesnt have that much grandeur and isnt that dense, it feels like a city- I think just because its simply so big in terms of width and length (Something you wouldnt find in a town or small city) and because of the actual shops on Briggate.

But Infirmary Street, East Parade and Park Row in particular feel important financial areas- they are comparable to London in their feel.

Subliving

May 17th, 2007, 12:30 PM

'safunny thing but I've spoken to quite a few folk from the south recently who have visited Leeds and were really taken with the place. Some of the qualities they liked were that it was big and modern and looked as though things were really happening. (They also thought that the people were very friendly). I think that compared with the majority of English cities Leeds has a very dense urban feel, coming out of the station is quite impressive, surrounded as one is by tall buildings. Though not on the same scale, it reminds me in some ways of Berlin. It does need decent transport though. As for Eastgate being a long way from the current centre, distance between places doesn't deter people from shopping in London. Knightsbridge to Oxford Street, how far is that ? If the shops are worth it then people will go there. While I'm on this rant, Queen Victoria Street and the arcades are just about the finest enclosed urban experience to be had anywhere, and I'm including Vittorio Emmanuel in Milan.

I live in London now, and I'd have to agree with the last statement there. The arcades are by far better than anything any other city has to offer. I don't care if they're full of expesive shops. That is the point of them. You'll get some people grumbling at that but what would they prefer, to see it full of market stalls and chickens feeding on grain on the floor? No. It's for uparket shopping and that's how it should stay.

I used to live down south so loads of people always come up to see us and we often go into town (sometimes coz its easier if theyre coming on the train) and they really like Leeds.

I would say that some of the shopping area has a "big town" feel- Central Square etc but as soon as you get to Albion Place to the west, or The Headrow that feel is lost for the city. Dortmund Square, Merrion, The Light, Albion Place, Boar Lane and Vicar Lane have city feels, it cumulates at City Square.

Although Briggate doesnt have that much grandeur and isnt that dense, it feels like a city- I think just because its simply so big in terms of width and length (Something you wouldnt find in a town or small city) and because of the actual shops on Briggate.

But Infirmary Street, East Parade and Park Row in particular feel important financial areas- they are comparable to London in their feel.

Hmm. Your last statement is complete bull to be honest. Yes, they're comparable to other regional cities, but London? Have you ever been to the City? I live on the borders of the square mile. It is so densely packed and even the so-called low-rise buildings are the height of the old Lewis' building. Have you been to Holborn? White marble building after white marble building of between 10-15 storeys each. Leeds is not London, and for that we should be thankful. Don't try drawing comparisons which simply do not exist.

Subliving.

di Livio

May 17th, 2007, 02:43 PM

I would say that some of the shopping area has a "big town" feel

The Headrow has effectively been out of action as a shopping street throughout my lifetime, so hopefully, if there are some actual reasons to visit it as a shopping destination, people will see that Leeds is more than just the network of (albeit quite pretty) streets from Briggate to Albion Street.

Leeds No.1

May 17th, 2007, 06:50 PM

The Headrow isnt really a shopping street (or not now). I dont use it for that reason. I cross it to get to the SJ/Merrion/Light Centres and Millennium Square. Its had a bit of a revival with Primark though, The Light, Basillica and hopefully Broadgate soon.

And yes, I used to live in London. And I disagree. Park Row and Infirmary Street are very dense; http://www.flickr.com/photos/what_silence_looks_like/453934925/

di Livio

May 17th, 2007, 07:03 PM

The Headrow isnt really a shopping street (or not now).

That was my point. :colgate:

Leeds No.1

May 17th, 2007, 07:24 PM

lol yes I know, I was backing it up. It does have potential though as a great shopping street!

aviator

May 21st, 2007, 06:27 PM

There was some chat recently on the Leeds retail thread about the number of retailers looking for space in the city, along with a fair amount of scepticism over the figures being quoted. I think Leeds No 1 reckoned 120-130 retailers were looking for space here.

Well, the document below is worth having a look at. It's the CBRE assessment of the retail scene in Leeds and the potential it has for expansion. At 115 pages (without the appendices), it's more than most of us would want to plough through but it's worth dipping into for some of the comparisons with other key cities such as Manchester, Birmingham and Nottingham.

http://www.eastgateleeds.co.uk/downloads/docs/LP05/Retail%20Statment/EASTGATE%20RETAIL%20STATEMENT%202006%20FINAL%20SUBMIT.pdf

More pertinently for our purposes, it summarises retailers' requirements in the city. As at June 2005, approximately 221 retailers were looking for between 1.16 and 1.9 million sq ft of space.

If you want the full list of those retailers who were chasing space in the city centre, then you need to look here:

http://www.eastgateleeds.co.uk/downloads/docs/LP05/Retail%20Statement%20Appendices/Retail%20Statement%20Appendices.pdf

rhinomatt

May 21st, 2007, 08:54 PM

Hmmm, what quality! :)
I can't find it :(

Smoggie_Si

May 23rd, 2007, 12:59 AM

And yes, I used to live in London. And I disagree. Park Row and Infirmary Street are very dense;

Dense maybe, but suggesting that Park Row (as Leeds' financial centre) is comparable to the City or Canary Wharf is far fetched in the extreme!

joeyB_86

May 23rd, 2007, 06:09 AM

In defence of Leeds No.#1, I think he was merely suggesting that all of London isn't that dense. However, despite this, Leeds does have its parts where it puts accross its "big city" feel. City square is a good example of this.

homesweethome

June 5th, 2007, 12:20 AM

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1312/530478375_86410ee6d2.jpg?v=0

is this what we are to expect when our new shopping quarter kicks off?
have to say it was an amazing site!(it was liverpool by the way)

Rob

June 5th, 2007, 10:43 AM

That is a fairly acurate view of what we can expect.

The Harewood Quarter is very similar to Paradise Street, including:

- a new John Lewis,
- about 100 retail units and residential, hotel etc,
- keeping existing outdoor street patterns,
- the same general scale,
- and built to a similar programme of about 3 years.

bobthebuilder

June 5th, 2007, 08:20 PM

Rob

June 5th, 2007, 08:35 PM

Sure it will. It's right on track.

Val Verde

June 5th, 2007, 08:39 PM

will it ever start though...

Will the new Broadmarsh in Notts ever start? ;)

In all reality though the Eastgate Quarter is supposed to start construction in 2009 and it should provide much needed new retail units to Leeds which are really needed especially as there are over 150 stores needing new space in Leeds City Centre. It should definately start in the next couple of years though but first the designs of the stores and news of other tenants which I believe should include another department store (which I tip (totally unsourced) a new House of Fraser) which will open in this scheme. It will certainly act to vastly extend Leeds's retail offer in the same way as the Bullring in Birmingham though. :banana:

Leeds No.1

June 5th, 2007, 09:32 PM

Its interesting you say that, I seem to remember House of Fraser. Something about moving into the development allowing for their current site to be redeveloped. I coudnt remember whether it was a dream or not though lol. I hope that if they do move, the current site is replaced with a department store; should be rebuilt though. A counteraction to Harvey Nichols at this end of Briggate it would be welcome.

Smoggie_Si

June 5th, 2007, 10:45 PM

I coudnt remember whether it was a dream or not though lol.

You dream about the Harewood Quarter? :ohno:

Eee, when I were your age I was dreaming about... actually probably shouldn't go any further! ;)

Leeds No.1

June 5th, 2007, 10:50 PM

Lol I dont actually dream about it! I meant really I wondered if I just imagined it. I dont even know what I dream about most the time =/

5th Elevation

June 6th, 2007, 04:32 AM

Will the new Broadmarsh in Notts ever start? ;)

In all reality though the Eastgate Quarter is supposed to start construction in 2009 and it should provide much needed new retail units to Leeds which are really needed especially as there are over 150 stores needing new space in Leeds City Centre. It should definately start in the next couple of years though but first the designs of the stores and news of other tenants which I believe should include another department store (which I tip (totally unsourced) a new House of Fraser) which will open in this scheme. It will certainly act to vastly extend Leeds's retail offer in the same way as the Bullring in Birmingham though. :banana:

My money is on M&S as the other department store. Too much uncertainty about Baugur (who now own HoF) and Debenhams

joeyB_86

June 6th, 2007, 06:10 AM

I would be very suprised if Next dont have a very big store in this developement,a s the trend has gone.

Val Verde

June 6th, 2007, 01:55 PM

Regarding why I think House of Fraser will open in Eastgate I only believe so because their existing store is massively undersized compared to comparable branches in Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow etc (re: the lack of a Hamleys that is planned to open within the House of Fraser Leeds as opposed to those other branches) and is a sort of store I can imagine relocating to new premises. Also their existing store I believe was only meant to be temporary premises for HoF ever since they took over Schofields way back in the 1980s (as the Briggate store was intended during the Headrow stores reconstruction but instead decided to move everything into their Briggate store whilst closing the new Schofields down even though it was only around 5 years old) and it was listed on the Eastgate website as a store intrested in a large new department store within Leeds and anyway the building alongside Market St Arcade is poor in appearace. With Debenhams and Marks and Spencer having comparably larger buildings I surely would presume they would stay put where they are at present especially M&S which I believe Trinity Quarter would be anxious to have as an anchor unit? I presume with House of Fraser relocating it would allow for the demolition and redevelopment of that terrible Market Street arcade alongside the existing HoF for a mixture of units and would allow for a true completion to the refurbishment to the southern end of Briggate which could include a new department store or popular clothes shop perhaps to encourage patronage at that end of the street?

The only way I can see M&S opening in the Eastgate Quarter is if one of their new planned homeware stores (currently planned to open at the Trafford Centre) becomes a success and they decide to open their Leeds Home store at the Eastgate Quarter. As for Next aren't they meant to be opening in the Trinity Quarter altough I guess they could perhaps have a secondary branch at the Eastgate Quarter? Is there any news on if a cinema is still to be part of this scheme and how much night time economy type uses such as bars, pubs, restaurants and perhaps nightclubs could play part within this development?

silverriver

June 6th, 2007, 02:11 PM

i think HoF will probably be in the eastgate quarter tbh, maybe the old branch will be come a fenwicks, hopefully not a TJ Hughes...and hopefully if HoF doesnt move at least it will take over market st arcade and redevelop it into part of the store... however M&S are having a big comeback so another store isnt out of the question.

a cinema is an important part of the scheme, to be above/next to the arcade i believe? on the site it promotes Lady Lane as a hub of cafés and bars, and Templar Sq too? also Templar House is meant to have a 'cultural' use - what do we think this means? leeds has considerable collections of art etc currently not on display so maybe it could be part art gallery, a museum or something would be fantastic but perhaps beyond what we can expect.

im surprised that eastgate itself seems not to get much attention as part of the redevelopment, if the north side is to be refurbished to the same standard as the light etc with the original intended facades completed surely it could be home to upscale/large stores, boulevard side cafes, upmarket restaurants bars hotels (?) and nightclubs? i'd love it to turn into a grand, impressive, continental style boulevard...

di Livio

June 6th, 2007, 03:20 PM

Its interesting you say that, I seem to remember House of Fraser. Something about moving into the development allowing for their current site to be redeveloped. I coudnt remember whether it was a dream or not though lol.

In Estates Gazette, one of the local retail analysts mentioned the fact that House of Fraser and Next could operate in stores twice the size of their current premises. If HoF do decide to move, I can see the whole block, tricky rents and leases permitting, being redeveloped as something different.
As for Lady Lane chapel, it could become like the Ikon in Birmingham, a small gallery space for modern, and sometimes crap, artists.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1031/528263833_ed050e8805.jpg?v=0

5th Elevation

June 6th, 2007, 03:23 PM

......im surprised that eastgate itself seems not to get much attention as part of the redevelopment, if the north side is to be refurbished to the same standard as the light etc with the original intended facades completed surely it could be home to upscale/large stores, boulevard side cafes, upmarket restaurants bars hotels (?) and nightclubs? i'd love it to turn into a grand, impressive, continental style boulevard...

Can't see the developers wanting to make too much of Eastgate - shops are where the brass is and they are going to want the shoppers to walk the street to the north and south. Eastgate looks suspiciously like a shortcut to John Lewis that they are going to want to avoid. I agree though - would be nice to have something like Las Ramblas.

Munro

June 11th, 2007, 06:32 PM

Re a cinema within the scheme - is this really needed? The Light Cinema is only just down the road and I would be surprised if you found an operator who is bullish enough to take on the existing cinema which trades pretty well anyway and has built up a lot of good will trade. Also, gone are days where you would need a cinema to bring the restaurants and bars to an untested area. It appears Lady Lane will have a built form that will attract names which have never looked at Leeds before... It certainly needs it like a shot in the arm!

See that John Lewis are opening an Organic side to their Waitrose operation. Might be an option for the JLP in the Eastgate scheme. How do you think the people of Leeds would take to Organic grub? Its got to better than Greggs which is on every street corner!

5th Elevation

June 11th, 2007, 06:51 PM

Re a cinema within the scheme - is this really needed?

I think Leeds needs more of an art house cinema, smaller, more intimate, showing a wider selection of films. This would fit in better with the "cultural quarter" feel of this end of the city, with the Playhouse, Opera North etc etc. I don't think Eastgate & Harewood needs a new shiny gogoplex to compete with The Light.

See that John Lewis are opening an Organic side to their Waitrose operation. Might be an option for the JLP in the Eastgate scheme. How do you think the people of Leeds would take to Organic grub? Its got to better than Greggs which is on every street corner!

How about an organic, fairtrade Greggs? :)

Leeds No.1

June 11th, 2007, 08:24 PM

I disagree; its good to have 2+ large cinemas in a city centre. Provides competition- good for costs etc and gives more times for films- if you miss the film time at Vue and the next one isnt for 2hrs, theres Eastgate Cinema.

However art house would be good as well. Hyde Park is too far out.

Leeds_John

June 11th, 2007, 08:39 PM

I think Leeds needs more of an art house cinema, smaller, more intimate, showing a wider selection of films. This would fit in better with the "cultural quarter" feel of this end of the city, with the Playhouse, Opera North etc etc. I don't think Eastgate & Harewood needs a new shiny gogoplex to compete with The Light.

How about an organic, fairtrade Greggs? :)

Absolutely right regarding the Art-House cinema, something similar to a larger version of the cinema in the University of Warwick Arts Centre. There are so many superb films, indie films and international films that get left out of the mainstream cinemas yet they show absolute tripe. I think Leeds could sustain a small art-house cinema, and i would suggest this development would be perfect for it.

LeedsLad

June 11th, 2007, 08:55 PM

IMAX would create a nice little attraction to the area...

Leeds No.1

June 11th, 2007, 09:00 PM

It would but they dont tend to show very good films, and theres an IMAX nearby in Bradford. Some IMAXs failed (Bournemouth).

silverriver

June 11th, 2007, 09:55 PM

i got the impression it would be a multiplex cinema - which would be good for prices, times etc - and probably more in the character of the development tbh

we do already have a fantastic arthouse cinema at hyde park; cottage rd is moving that way; various arthouse/foreign films are shown in the multiplexes; cubby brocolli in bradford isnt too hard to get to...another arthouse cinema would be great but maybe as a draw to an underused area such as holbeck/waterfront would be better?

di Livio

June 12th, 2007, 02:53 PM

Leeds can easily sustain an independent cinema on Lady Lane because Vue doesn't cater for the same market. The Picturehouse chain, which runs Sheffield Showroom and York City Screen, tried to get their hands on the Portland Gate site so i would imagine they will be the operator of any new cinema in this area. Hyde Park is okay, but it's a pathetic venue for a city the size of Leeds.

Stratford, East London

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/52/136058971_7abdb7948d.jpg?v=0

Some Leeds uni students submitted this as a project for their course, it should be the kind of facility we're aiming for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_PznrRlYHk

Val Verde

June 14th, 2007, 03:57 PM

From todays YEP:

Architects want a piece of Eastgate

ALL CHANGE: Model of the new John Lewis centre

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A STRING of leading architects from across Europe are lining up to join the regeneration of Leeds's Eastgate.

The massive £675m Eastgate Quarters scheme will create up to 5,000 jobs and developers say it will put the city on 'the European stage.'

Featuring shops, offices, restaurants and bars, the project is being developed by Hammerson plc in partnership with Leeds-based Town Centre Securities.

Internationally-renowned architect Sir Terry Farrell is behind the masterplan which was approved in principle earlier this year.

Sir Terry played host to more than 100 architecture practices interested in working on the scheme earlier this year at the international property event, MIPIM, in Cannes, France.

Jean Dent, director of development at Leeds City Council, said: "This development is very exciting for Leeds and will help to secure the city's place on the European stage.

"We are delighted to be attracting so many renowned architects from across the UK and beyond.

Excitement

"Although the approach of broadening the team is unusual, it reflects the excitement and anticipation that surrounds the project."

Mrs Dent said she could not at this stage reveal the names involved.

Sir Terry added: "There are plenty of opportunities for smaller firms to get involved.

"Any companies that share our passion for creating a valuable piece of the city, that can show a commitment to the concept and work in collaboration with other organisations should consider working on this project."

It is anticipated that construction of the Eastgate Quarters will begin in 2009, with completion in 2012.

The development will be built on a 25-acre site taking in land either side of Eastgate and bounded by Vicar Lane, New York Street, St Peter's Street, George Street and Harewood Street.

A key feature will be a new arcade which will run from Vicar Lane to the John Lewis store and be half the length of Briggate and twice the height of the Victoria Quarter.

The so-called 'bookend' buildings at the bottom of Eastgate will be retained, although re-located 12 metres further up Eastgate.

The buildings on the north side of the street, designed by Sir Reginald Blomfield, will be retained but the southside terrace, built in the 1960s, will be demolished.

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Should certainly be promising to see the best of world architecutre in this scheme. Surely we should see some big names doing individual buildings for this scheme. Anyone knows who they will include and presumably Terry Farrell will still be designing parts of the scheme and will someone be designing distinctive for John Lewis akin to Selfridges Birmingham perhaps?

aviator

June 14th, 2007, 04:24 PM

........Anyone knows who they will include and presumably Terry Farrell will still be designing parts of the scheme and will someone be designing distinctive for John Lewis akin to Selfridges Birmingham perhaps?

Well, let's hope so. There's a render in the YEP article, though presumably this is the concept only.

http://editorial.jpress.co.uk/web/Upload/LEED/TH0_14620072e4-1406-22-1306-104555.jpg

5th Elevation

June 14th, 2007, 04:54 PM

That's an photo of the model they were using at the public exhibition, so I doubt it represents any architectural intent.

There's a rumour they've shortlisted some architects for the John Lewis bit (one of the names sounded distinctly Japanese) - I'll do some digging and post them if I find them.

ahmedd

June 15th, 2007, 12:17 PM

the masterplan is good, however as with most things the architecture will make or break the scheme. I am looking forward to some really out there and daring designs (a la selfridges), though I think I may be let down!

5th Elevation

June 15th, 2007, 03:40 PM

Interesting article from the YEP about architects for the scheme

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ViewArticle.aspx?SectionID=39&articleid=2951846

Smoggie_Si

June 15th, 2007, 08:34 PM

Interesting article from the YEP about architects for the scheme

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ViewArticle.aspx?SectionID=39&articleid=2951846

Rogers, Libeskind, Gehry and Hadid will do me! :D

Probably end up with Carey Jones though, aaaagghh! :(

Munro

June 15th, 2007, 09:29 PM

re the cinema... IMAX are too expensive and generally rubbish, and on the arthouse... forget it... Not saying that Leeds isn't cultured but how many bums on seats does a Jacques Tati film take! Maybe a few of us on this forum and some mates but not many! Think we should bin the whole idea and look at an alternative.. any ideas?

5th Elevation

June 15th, 2007, 11:11 PM

joeyB_86

June 15th, 2007, 11:42 PM

Probably end up with Carey Jones though, aaaagghh! :(

So true smoggie. Loving your tagline btw, what an album.

Smoggie_Si

June 16th, 2007, 12:14 AM

So true smoggie. Loving your tagline btw, what an album.

Yeah it's fantastic. :D
Saw them live last week (for about the 7th time!) and they were as awesome as ever but a lot tighter and more professional than previously. Could this be the album that finally gets them recognition?

Seeing them again at the Hyde Park O2 fest on Sunday, I'll doubtless be the only one there wearing a Cribs T shirt! :cheers:

BTW, after your comment a while ago I can't hear the Pigeon Detectives without thinking of McFly! Cheers mate! :ohno:

joeyB_86

June 16th, 2007, 01:36 AM

Of course they wont get recognised, goods bands don't any more do they. I think your tag line explains it pretty much. I saw them at Leeds uni as well- amazing, what a show. I sweated my tits off.

Your a lucky bugger going to O2, I'm saving my money up to go away this summer.

Just to link it back to the thread, there is so much space being developed here, as well as having a good cinema, surely the medium sized venue we were talking about would be ideal here?

Leeds No.1

July 8th, 2007, 12:17 AM

leedstoday.net

Students' key role in future of city shops

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Students from Leeds Business School are helping to shape the future shopping habits of the city.
A team from the business school, part of Leeds Metropolitan University, has completed detailed research which will be used to help influence Leeds's new £700m Eastgate Quarters development.

Eastgate Quarters will be anchored by a 24,150 sq m John Lewis store and will include over 100 shops, plus offices, restaurants and bars, a hotel, up to 600 new homes and 2,700 car parking spaces. Construction is due to start in 2009, with completion in 2012.

It is a joint venture between construction firm Hammerson plc and Town Centre Securities plc, known as The Leeds Partnership.

Survey

The Leeds Partnership is working closely with the university as part of a sponsorship arrangement with students studying MSc Marketing, MA International Business and BA Business Studies.

Around 60 students were involved in the latest project, looking at aspects of retail marketing, consumer trends and buyer behaviour by interviewing a wide range of consumers in Leeds.

The research studied shopper behaviour, what extra facilities shoppers are looking for and how different shop designs can influence the overall retail experience.

Consumer habits were also researched. The students then presented their findings to Rob Hancox, assistant director at Hammerson plc.

All received letters of commendation and thosewho produced the best research were awarded cash prizes.

Mr Hancox said: "We are delighted to be working with Leeds Business School. The results from the students' research have proved very interesting and will now be considered as we move forward with Eastgate Quarters.

"It was obvious that everyone involved worked extremely hard and the students should be proud of the results.

He added: "Many have the potential to establish successful careers in the retail sector. They could soon be helping us to shape the future of the industry as we create one of the largest schemes of its kind in the UK that will place Leeds firmly on the European retail stage."

John Temperley, senior lecturer at Leeds Business School, added: "It allowed students to combine academic and employability skills, meaning they were able to apply theoretical knowledge to an exciting new development.

"That they were able to deliver their market research with such a high level of professionalism is a credit to them."

di Livio

July 8th, 2007, 02:26 PM

News from Hammerson's other John Lewis anchored project in Sheffield.

Architect firms Allford Hall Monaghan Morris, Foreign Office Architects, HawkinsBrown, Pick Everard and Stiff and Trevillion have been chosen by developers Hammerson to join master-planners to bring the best in design quality and architectural excellence to Sheffield.

5th Elevation

July 19th, 2007, 11:16 AM

This press release appeared in my inbox - not sure if it's hit the local rags yet but knowing this forum's penchant for involvement in all things Leeds.....:)

PRESS RELEASE
July 07

LOCALS’ INPUT REQUIRED FOR LEEDS’ KEY DEVELOPMENT

The people of Leeds are being asked for their opinions on what they want the new £700 million retail-led Eastgate Quarters development to deliver for their city. The Leeds Partnership, a joint venture between Hammerson UK properties plc and Town Centre Securities plc which is developing the 100,000 sq metre (1.2 million sq ft) scheme, is encouraging residents to have their say via their online ChoiceLab survey. Simply sending an email to LeedsEastgateSurvey@mindfolio.com generates an immediate response with a web link to the survey, and anyone completing it in before Friday, 27th July will ensure that this new piece of city is created around their choices.

Rob Hancox, Assistant Director at Hammerson and responsible for the project on behalf of The Leeds Partnership comments, “This is the first time this form of consumer study has been commissioned in this country. In fact we aren’t aware of any other UK developers who use consumer based choice modelling to help shape the direction of their schemes. The results will help us create the most resident-focused and vibrant mixed-use city centre development in the UK, so it’s really important that local people take this opportunity to ensure it really caters for their needs and lifestyles. It will also help us to ensure that we deliver something that Loiners actually want."

Brian Hanlon, Director of MindFolio Ltd which developed the ChoiceLab survey explains, “We use something called ‘Choice Modelling’ which is based on the scientific ‘Random Utility Theorem‘ about human behaviour and decision-making patterns. We create extremely realistic scenarios and then ask respondents to do a very simple task – choose the option that best satisfies their demands.

“A typical customised on-line ChoiceLab survey involves a series of 'choice experiments' in which the respondents are asked to evaluate various options for new products, services and experiences. Using this information MindFolio can identify the most important features driving customer choices, information which is then used to design the most attractive products, services and experiences possible."

The survey for Eastgate Quarters includes questions about favourite shops and brands, such as which men’s and women’s fashion shops, and book and music stores, etc. local Leeds residents most like to visit. Several new retailers are introduced in the survey in order to measure the desirability of adding potential new entrants to the retail community in Leeds. Survey respondents are also asked to evaluate various categories of dining options (e.g. quick-service restaurants, casual dining, fine dining) and cuisines, in addition to critiquing many entertainment options such as an upmarket bowling lounge, comedy club and multiplex cinema, among others. All of this information collected will be used to shape the new Eastgate Quarters into the most resident-friendly retail, dining and entertainment destination in the UK.

The survey only takes approximately 15 minutes to complete, no personal or identity-related information is captured (i.e. you do not have to submit your name, home address, etc. - although your post code and email address are required) and obviously those completing the survey will benefit by helping to create the kind of environment they really want in their city.

ENDS

aviator

July 19th, 2007, 12:02 PM

And by an interesting coincidence there's this piece in today's YEP:

Bullring mark two lined up for Leeds

By David Marsh

LEEDS could be in line for its own version of Birmingham's famous Bullring – the £500m iconic development that has changed the face of England's second city.

The landmark Bullring – renowned for its futuristic-looking Selfridge's store – could provide the model for a £700m scheme that is to transform a key part of Leeds city centre.

Developers of the Eastgate Quarter project want to use the Birmingham development, which has been described as a "stunning mix of contemporary architecture and historical buildings," as the template.

The Leeds scheme will cover over 20 acres either side of Eastgate and be bounded by Vicar Lane, New York Street, St Peter's Street, George Street and Harewood Street. A key feature would be a new arcade which would run from Vicar Lane to a new John Lewis store and be half the length of Briggate and twice the height of the Victoria Quarter.

The Eastgate scheme will include over 100 shops, offices, restaurants and bars, a hotel, up to 600 homes and 2,700 parking spaces. It is being developed by the Leeds Partnership, a joint venture between Hammerson plc and Town Centre Securities plc. Work is due to start in 2009 and finish in 2012.

Leading architects from across Europe have already expressed an interest in working on the project. Leeds Partnership bosses have invited guests, including journalists, to join them on a visit to Birmingham to tour the Bullring.

The 1960s-built Bullring was demolished in in 2000 and replaced by the eye-catching 21st century Bullring, which has over 140 shops and created over 8,000 jobs.

It includes new open spaces, walkways, performance areas and distinctive architecture. One of its more dramatic features is a spectacular "skyplane roof" – a glass covering over the Bullring's apparently open malls, giving the impression of a natural extension of the city's key shopping streets.

Kevin Grady, Leeds Civic Trust director, said: "The Birmingham example offers some useful insights."

He said there was a strong argument for the Leeds scheme to include a pedestrian bridge linking the Eastgate area with Quarry Hill.

Val Verde

July 19th, 2007, 01:17 PM

He said there was a strong argument for the Leeds scheme to include a pedestrian bridge linking the Eastgate area with Quarry Hill.[/I]

So just why are the Leeds Civic Trust so in favour of a footbridge between the Eastgate Quarter and Quarry Hill. Surely in a city centre context that would be a bad thing to have and would remind me of the infamous skyway which used to be at the bottom end of Park Row.

http://www.leodis.org/imagesLeodis/screen/81/2002126_73080081.jpg

Surely a better idea imo would instead be to use a conventional Pelican Crossing across the A61 to access Quarry Hill from the Eastgate Quarter and also that long distance A61 traffic should be redirected round the back of Quarry Hill using existing roads to lighten the traffic loads. Also good idea regarding this survey.

Is it still a 2009 start for this scheme and what is happening to the former ABC cinema site are they going with the old Carey Jones design for an apartment block here or are they just going to leave it as (i think) car parking until the Eastgate Quarter starts.

Rob

July 19th, 2007, 01:32 PM

It all depends on the foortbridge. If it's wide, open and airy, like a suspension supported design, it'll be an asset. I can't see anyone proposing a heavy concrete block sided footbridge any more.

5th Elevation

July 19th, 2007, 01:35 PM

Is it still a 2009 start for this scheme and what is happening to the former ABC cinema site are they going with the old Carey Jones design for an apartment block here or are they just going to leave it as (i think) car parking until the Eastgate Quarter starts.

Still looks like an '09 start, New York House site (old ABC Cinema?) included in the CPO

Leeds No.1

July 19th, 2007, 01:53 PM

Fred2

July 19th, 2007, 09:14 PM

Theres a rather nice Bridge in Covent Garden; something like that maybe? Or similar to the Arndale one in Manchester?

I'd rather not have a Bridge at all and bring life onto the street. I know its a busy road but as mentioned, the A61 can be rerouted round what will become the inner ring road, Marsh Lane.

There is a bridge in Harrogate which is enclosed and safe - perhaps something on that pattern giving a direct link to proposed car parks and cultural and retail facilities on Quarry Hill which would futher enlarge the central area of Leeds

Leeds No.1

July 19th, 2007, 10:31 PM

The One Arch is a link to Victoria Car Park and Station, nothing else. Doesn't link shopping areas. Harrogate seems to be able to get away with it because of the attractive surroundings; it would have to be cutting edge architecture in Leeds for it to work. It also works in Harrogate because there is life at street level. It is essential that there are shops and bus stops on St. Peters Street/Regent Street there so it doesnt become dead there.

5th Elevation

July 19th, 2007, 11:30 PM

[QUOTE=Leeds No.1;14343531]Theres a rather nice Bridge in Covent Garden; something like that maybe? Or similar to the Arndale one in Manchester?
[QUOTE]

Do you mean the "chinese finger puzzle" bridge?

Leeds No.1

July 19th, 2007, 11:42 PM

Yes lol

LeedsLad

July 21st, 2007, 12:38 AM

From the survey advertised in today's YEP (indicative)
http://www.allgrp.com/Retail/graphics/intro2b.jpg
http://www.allgrp.com/Retail/graphics/intro3.jpg
http://www.allgrp.com/Retail/graphics/Templar.jpg
Possible retailers: FNAC, Whole Foods, Gentlemen's Tonic, Divertimenti, OKA, Bestseller, Jack Wills, SweatyBetty, Arrogant Cat, Fopp, Bose, Apple, Fossil, Radley, Heals, Habitat, Links, Svaorski, Bench, Urban Outfitters, Hamleys, Mango.
Possible attractions: 'Urban' golf, piano bar, karaoke, 'hip' bowling, micro brewery

LeedsLad

July 21st, 2007, 01:44 PM

onix

July 21st, 2007, 07:29 PM

5th Elevation

July 23rd, 2007, 11:11 AM

Rob

July 23rd, 2007, 12:13 PM

Assessment of Templar House: http://www.eastgateleeds.com/downloads/docs/LP19/LP19%20-%20Schedule%20of%20works%20for%20Templar%20House/TEMPLAR%20HOUSE_Repair%20works%20&%20Outline%20Spec.May%202006.pdf

I love some of the technical terms in that report. In the section instructing on replacing damaged bricks ..

"Butter ends with sufficient mortar to fill head joints and shove into place."

Smoggie_Si

July 24th, 2007, 10:43 PM

From the survey advertised in today's YEP
Possible retailers: FNAC, Whole Foods, Gentlemen's Tonic, Divertimenti, OKA, Bestseller, Jack Wills, SweatyBetty, Arrogant Cat, Fopp, Bose, Apple, Fossil, Radley, Heals, Habitat, Links, Svaorski, Bench, Urban Outfitters, Hamleys, Mango.
Possible attractions: 'Urban' golf, piano bar, karaoke, 'hip' bowling, micro brewery

Fopp went into administration the other week, good to see the usual accuracy of YEP reporting is being maintained!

aviator

July 25th, 2007, 01:53 PM

[QUOTE=LeedsLad;14369146]From the survey advertised in today's YEP (indicative)
http://www.allgrp.com/Retail/graphics/intro2b.jpg

Hmmmmm - looks like Foreign Office's new John Lewis in Leicester.

http://www.highcrossleicester.com/pdf/Leasing%20Brochure.pdf

I don't know John Lewis's track record in commissioning the design for their new stores but their use of FOA for the Leicester store can only be a good omen for what we might expect in Leeds. Interestingly, the High Cross development (of which John Lewis will form part) is another of Hammerson's major projects along with our own Eastgate.

Hammerson seem to have followed the same principles there that they're proposing in Leeds, of assembling a panel of architects to deliver the detail of the overall redevelopment vision. The fact that Terry Farrell landed the job of masterplanning the whole thing should give some idea of the quality of architecture being aimed for here.

5th Elevation

July 25th, 2007, 03:15 PM

Hammerson seem to have followed the same principles there that they're proposing in Leeds, of assembling a panel of architects to deliver the detail of the overall redevelopment vision.

Begs the question who would you chose for what bit of the scheme? (assuming it's not Carey Jones!) I've always thought the Galleria bit needs the most focus to make sure it doesnt look like a shopping centre but it's difficult to think of an architectural practice that could do it.

For the Harewood Quarter bit, did I see a picture of a bit of the Herzog & de Meuron Prada store in the online survey? That's probably a bit too high end even for Leeds!

Leeds No.1

July 25th, 2007, 05:25 PM

Maybe you did!? Who knows. I may do a little research on that.

The modern John Lewis' I have been to all seem quite good stores and good architecture.

Even Flow

August 7th, 2007, 05:56 PM

the Galleria bit needs the most focus to make sure it doesnt look like a shopping centre but it's difficult to think of an architectural practice that could do it.

For the Harewood Quarter bit, did I see a picture of a bit of the Herzog & de Meuron Prada store in the online survey? That's probably a bit too high end even for Leeds!

http://www.lesliejones.co.uk/projects-masterplanning.htm
An answer to who may be involved with the galleria??
The picture in the bottom left sure looks possible. Possible though that they may not be leading it through to detail stage, but it's a website to keep an eye on (and the pic of the galleria was only added last month.........)

As for H and dM, yes please. :cheers:

Edit: Looks like the pictures move around/change every time you go on the page, you'll know it when you see it though.

Columbus

August 7th, 2007, 08:30 PM

The King

August 7th, 2007, 08:33 PM

well said columbus i totally agree nd it would be in keeping with leeds and its existing arcades

Leeds No.1

August 8th, 2007, 12:26 AM

It could be developed like the Royal Armouries. Its multi-level, but doesnt appear to be because the levels are set inside the sides, not jutting out into the atrium like in a shopping centre. Maybe this would be the solution?

Columbus

August 8th, 2007, 12:35 AM

Yeh that's a good option, as long as it leaves the view of the roof obstruction free, keep it nice and airy which is why i love the light (very underated development, you lot should show it off more on picture threads because it's awesome). I also remember in earlier renders that the planned roof of the galleria was to be slightly more interesting than a plain glass roof, waivy glass with interesting sort of branch like roof supports, such a roof would be worth showing off.

Munro

August 9th, 2007, 07:07 PM

I don't think the Galleria should have multi levels to it, it clutters it and makes it feel like just another shopping centre, it should be like the one in Milan, 4 to 5 storeys high but with shopping only on the ground floor. This makes it feel more like an arcade plus much classier and less chlostrophobic.

Yep - the galleria in Milan that has a retail strategy a monkey put together - Prada next to Mcdonalds! Although the Italians strangely get away with it. Hopefully Eastgate will have a bit more thought to it. Although didn't Hammerson in their Birmingham scheme have Ann Summers next to build a Bear - we should all watch out!

rhinomatt

August 9th, 2007, 08:43 PM

Yep - the galleria in Milan that has a retail strategy a monkey put together - Prada next to Mcdonalds! Although the Italians strangely get away with it. Hopefully Eastgate will have a bit more thought to it. Although didn't Hammerson in their Birmingham scheme have Ann Summers next to build a Bear - we should all watch out!

In the white rose Ann Summers is only one shop down for the early learning centre. Yet we can hope!

Leeds No.1

August 9th, 2007, 08:49 PM

Isnt it to do with the units the companies choose to open shops in rather than the design of the centre?

Smoggie_Si

August 9th, 2007, 09:06 PM

In the white rose Ann Summers is only one shop down for the early learning centre. Yet we can hope!

Makes perfect sense I'd say, same target market. The yummy mummies can get toys for junior in ELC and pop next door for a rampant rabbit for themselves! :D
:runaway:

aviator

August 22nd, 2007, 10:39 PM

I went today to see the exhibition of John Thorp's work down at Whitehall Riverside (someone's reported on this exhibition on here but I can't remember who or where). Anyway, it's worth a visit if you're in the area but, among the exhibits, was a large model of the city centre. It's the sort that's made with blocks of wood so it's quite impressionistic but you get a good feel for what's there and what's proposed.

Anway, to get to the point, the model of the Eastgate Quarter seems quite detailed but it includes something I haven't seen before. There's a tall cylindrical tower in the model and I eventually realised that it was standing on the site of the unlovely (and unloved) Millgarth police station.

There was nobody to ask but my guess is that the overall model was a mixture of what's there already, what's coming, and what might be. The tower, I suspect, falls into the last category but, boy, does it fit in well. The inner skyscraper geek in me is hoping against hope that the Kremlin that is Millgarth soon bites the dust.

Columbus

August 22nd, 2007, 10:45 PM

JOliver

August 22nd, 2007, 11:00 PM

The inner skyscraper geek in me is hoping against hope that the Kremlin that is Millgarth soon bites the dust.

C'mon mate, DWP is Kremlin (actually does look like it in a way), Milgarth is more like one of those secret CIA prisons.

http://delivery.gettyimages.com/xc/200540693-001.jpg?v=1&c=CFW&k=2&d=F60B352208887077B0D0B10EEE13CB88ECA3385C13A290DC

Leeds No.1

August 22nd, 2007, 11:04 PM

Ive noticed various different buildings for that site on different renders. I think they must just be a variety of ideas of how the site could be developed?

Btw, unless you were using the word "kremlin" in a less specific sense meaning generally ugly, The Kremlin refers to Quarry House, not Millgarth :)

I think that it would do well to become a Piccadilly Circus type place- taking advantage of the busy and vibrant location, roundabout and major junction that will become more of a square (Blomfield) eventually and its gateway position. Would also contribute to the magnificent mile concept.

Columbus

August 22nd, 2007, 11:16 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6650000/newsid_6659600/6659641.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm

A report on the Eastgate and Harewood Quarters.

This is the video i was refering too, it has that wooden model on it including that tower. Thanks to Leeds no. 1

Leeds No.1

August 22nd, 2007, 11:17 PM

S'orite :)

aviator

September 1st, 2007, 01:02 AM

I'm puzzled.

I thought, and the Harewood website confirms, that outline planning permission was given in February. But today I read on the city council's website:

06/03333/OT/C Eastgate And Harewood Quarter

Applicant
The Leeds Partnership

Outline application for major redevelopment involving mixed use to provide retail stores, restaurants, bars and offices within use classes A1,A2,A3,A4,A5 and B1and housing (class C3), cinema (class D2), gym (class D2), medical centre (class D1), church drop in facility, creche (class D1) and hotel (class C1), with associated highways works, open space, landscaping, car parking, pedestrian facilities and re-alignment of culvert

Approved 24/08/07

So, I don't quite understand why there's a second outline planning application to be approved six months after the first approval was given.

Can anyone help?

SirCWilson

September 1st, 2007, 01:21 PM

It's the same application. In February the plans panel (of councillors) agreed to support the planning officer's recommendation to approve the application. That still left work to be done sorting out the legal agreements and finer details etc which would allow the permission to actually be granted, but meant that the planning officers could get on and do it. That's what has happened now.

The King

September 1st, 2007, 02:11 PM

are you a planner sir c wilson????????????????/

Rob

September 1st, 2007, 02:33 PM

It's fairly normal, they are usually recommended for approval in principle by the councilors at the planning meetings, and they delegate the final decision to the chief planning officer. That is always recorded in the planning minutes available on the council website.

It is considered approved when the councillors approve in the planning meeting, although not confirmed until the chief planning officer has formally approved it. That must be when it is listed approved on the official council planning approval list.

SirCWilson

September 1st, 2007, 02:36 PM

are you a planner sir c wilson????????????????/

Hell no. I just know my stuff.

The King

September 1st, 2007, 03:15 PM

oh good i was begining to think you might have been one of them

aviator

September 1st, 2007, 04:00 PM

The King

September 1st, 2007, 04:33 PM

we have a planner they are in certain cases complete tossers, that have fooked the towns and citys of this fine country over and over again and also cost the fooking earth to run and in the end they do fook all.

cost us a fortune and look at any city or town in the uk it does not work for example you can seek planning permision for a house and the planners will take money to say oh yes those bricks and that roof tile are fine ect...
but once it has been built you can paint in 10foot high letters in bright pink letters planners are tossers and thay cant do shit. waste of time and our money self important tossers of the highest degree........

and people ask why is the country going to shit kid shooting and stabing each other the built environment is a major factor in present societys breakdown, and noteabley the council estates that the planners of the 60s and 70s allowed and totally endorsed as been the best thing since sliced bread like i said tossers of the highest order .

SirCWilson

September 2nd, 2007, 07:39 PM

jimbo

September 2nd, 2007, 09:29 PM

^^ :lol:

a contrast of styles I see!

aviator

September 6th, 2007, 02:51 PM

Benney

September 6th, 2007, 02:55 PM

Columbus

September 6th, 2007, 03:00 PM

Now this is welcome news from today's YEP.

I'm sure I've recently seen a render of the Harewood Quarter with a new building standing on the site of Millgarth but I can't recall where (developer's website perhaps?).

Anyway, the prospect of seeing that horrid abortion disappear for good has cheered my week no end.

Excellent, finally we can see the end of the most hideous building in leeds on what is the most promising street in leeds. Do you think then that the circular tower that we've seen on that wooden model is actaully a more advanced plan than originally thought? As opposed to mere vision i mean.

The King

September 6th, 2007, 03:02 PM

put the kite tower there for godness sake it would be an awesome addition in a great place really draw people down to the area

The King

September 6th, 2007, 03:23 PM

benny i dont read newspapers and grew up in east leeds hence no old eatonians as friends ect...

having spend many years on estates like halton moor, east end park, little london, harehills, gipton and seacroft trust me the built environment is one of the biggest factors in peoples actions and this is a well know and well researched fact by many top acedemics

Leeds No.1

September 6th, 2007, 06:28 PM

It was on John Thorpe's (Civic Architect) model of Leeds where there was a tower on the site.

silverriver

September 6th, 2007, 08:52 PM

i dont think they'll put anything that high there? certainly nothing on the site looked that big and wouldnt they need separate plannin permission? kite tower would be great tho

Leeds No.1

September 6th, 2007, 09:03 PM

Its not actually in the Eastgate Qtr is it though? Its just on he edge of it, and effectively could be part of it if redeveloped. But its not in the actual development area, is it?

I wouldnt be suprised to see a 20-30 storey tower on this site. It would certainly be an appropriate place for one- a true gateway site from the A61/A58 and A64, and at what could be considered the NE "corner" of the city centre. For many coming in by bus, the first sight of Central Leeds.

I know that its a bit radical maybe, but you can imagine it as a Piccadilly Circus type place.

Columbus

September 6th, 2007, 09:33 PM

plus the simpson tower will be right next door.

The King

September 6th, 2007, 09:41 PM

bring on the kite tower someone email mr shuttleworth and tell him there is a sight ready for the kite tower

SirCWilson

September 6th, 2007, 09:45 PM

Its not actually in the Eastgate Qtr is it though? Its just on he edge of it, and effectively could be part of it if redeveloped. But its not in the actual development area, is it?

I think the developers were keen to include it in the Eastgate and Harewood proposals, but were unable as the police hadn't decided it's future. There isn't any guarantee that Hammersons could buy the site now, either, as the council will take ownership and they can't just sell to whoever they choose; they have to be seen to take the best offer. Whoever ends up developing Millgarth, I'd expect a separate planning application for it.

However, it's clear from the model that was shown that thought has been given to how Millgarth could be replaced and integrate into proposals for Eastgate, Quarry Hill, and the Markets, and any developer who took on the site would be expected to follow those ideas.

LeedsLad

September 6th, 2007, 10:14 PM

SirCWilson

September 6th, 2007, 10:30 PM

Whilst glad to see the back of Milgarth I have some concerns/queries/ideas:

Won't WYPD be selling the building to the highest bidder to pay for the new land/building rather than the council owning the land? And don't we need a developer to back the Kite Tower rather than the arcitects?

Nope. Straight swap: the old Greyhound Stadium site (council owned) for Millgarth.

Elland Rd is hardly a city centre location for our police to be based. How will foot patrols etc operate to the city centre from here? Also how do emergency vehicles get up and down Elland Rd quickly if called out on match day?

The new police station is intended to serve the south of the city; I'd hope there is new provision for the city centre (an upgrade at the courts, maybe). Also, as part of the Elland Road masterplan, there is an intention to reroute traffic between the stadium and the M621 to access car parking, freeing up the optimistically named 'Elland Road Boulevard'. The Greyhound Stadium site does actually have excellent and fast links to south Leeds, but I agree it's far from ideal for the city centre.

There are several new build police stations in Leeds (Killingbeck and Chapeltown to name 2) - and they are budget beyond belief - lets hope as this is the HQ they step up the budget for arcitects!

Indeed. This has really come about through national policy to save money in the long run by running fewer stations; that doesn't really provide for spending money on nice buildings. Expect functional, but at least it'll probably be set far enough back not to offend too many people (and if you're unfortunate enough to be getting a close-up look, you probably won't be worrying about the cladding materials!).

LeedsLad

September 6th, 2007, 10:37 PM

LAND in Elland Road close to Leeds United's stadium is likely to be sold to West Yorkshire Police for a new divisional headquarters. Senior councillors will next week be asked to approve in principle the sale of the former Elland Road greyhound track to the county's police authority.

The deal would allow the police's current divisional headquarters at Millgarth to be demolished to make way for new development. A statement issued by the council said that at its meeting on Tuesday, the Executive Board would be asked to "approve in principle the sale of the former Elland Road greyhound stadium at open market value to the West Yorkshire Police Authority as a potential site for their new divisional HQ.

Have I misunderstood?

aviator

September 6th, 2007, 10:54 PM

...Elland Rd is hardly a city centre location for our police to be based. How will foot patrols etc operate to the city centre from here?.....

There's still a police station at Westgate. I don't think it functions along the lines of your average police station (I know, for example, that it deals with residency issues for people from overseas on UK visas). But it could quite easily become the regular station for the city centre.

Also, it's a decent bit of architecture, albeit in need of a wash and brush up.

SirCWilson

September 6th, 2007, 11:40 PM

Have I misunderstood?

Not necessarily; there isn't much detail in that YEP report. There's more in the actual council report but the website isn't playing nicely at the moment. I'll try and find it later/tomorrow, and we'll get a definitive answer. My memory could be playing tricks!

SirCWilson

September 6th, 2007, 11:53 PM

Nope, you were right:

3.12 Police Headquarters – The City Council is currently in discussion with the West Yorkshire Police Authority (WYPA) for the sale of the former Greyhound Stadium site for the development of a new Divisional Police Headquarters. The police are reorganising nationally and are reducing the number of Divisional HQs. The new facility for south Leeds is to replace the police stations at Millgarth, in the city centre, and Holbeck off Dewsbury Road.

3.13 This 8.5 acre site (shown on the attached plan) is within the overall Elland Road site and is being considered as part of the planning statement for the area to ensure comprehensive redevelopment of a significant gateway location.

3.14 The site was included in 15 sites considered by the Police Authority.

3.15 Elland Road was identified as the favourite as it meets the WYPA criteria in operational terms, access to the city centre and proximity in relation to community catchment.

3.16 Proposals include a 110,000 sq ft Police Station Headquarters with custody suite and car parking in a high quality building which will do much for the wider regeneration of the deprived area of Beeston through new job opportunities, environmental improvement and social inclusion.

3.17 The new proposal will also ensure benefits to the city centre in enabling the Eastgate and Harewood Quarter development and wider regeneration benefits in the Dewsbury Road District Centre area as part of the Beeston Hill and Holbeck Regeneration area through the redevelopment of the Holbeck HQ site.

3.18 Development of the Greyhound Stadium site can be independent to the wider Elland Road proposals, but needs to be compatible with the wider development especially with regard to traffic and transportation issues.

3.19 To this end the Informal Planning Statement that has been produced (attached at Appendix 2) which sets out the principles for the comprehensive development of the wider Elland Road site and allows for the Police Headquarters, subject to satisfying a sequential test and securing planning approval.

3.20 Executive Board is requested to support the Council entering into one-to-one negotiations on the potential sale of the site of the former Greyhound Stadium marked on Plan 1 to the West Yorkshire Police at an agreed open market value with the approval of final terms of any sale being delegated to the Director of City Development. Members of Executive Board should note that any capital receipt generated from the proposed disposal of the site to the West Yorkshire Police will potentially need to be made available to contribute to the reconfiguration of car parking provision across the site and the wider infrastructure provision that will need to be implemented in the area covered by the Elland Road informal planning
statement.

Sorry about that - I first read it a few days ago. It doesn't substantially change the point about how Millgarth will link into other developments, though.

5th Elevation

September 7th, 2007, 10:42 AM

Elland Rd is hardly a city centre location for our police to be based. How will foot patrols etc operate to the city centre from here? Also how do emergency vehicles get up and down Elland Rd quickly if called out on match day?

From memory the Eastgate & Harewood application included provision for a small on site police station - presumably that would suffice for the rozzers' city centre presence if Millgarth moves.

touchthesky

September 7th, 2007, 12:00 PM

would be nice for Kite tower to be located there...while its not terribly in fitting with the rest of the area it would add interest and will enhance the status of the area.

how likely is it for a project like Kite Tower to be built if it wasn't built in its original location? Not sure how projects like that work...do they just float about until someone finds a location?

JOliver

September 8th, 2007, 12:19 AM

The new police station is intended to serve the south of the city; I'd hope there is new provision for the city centre (an upgrade at the courts, maybe).

There is a police department in a fairly large building near International Pool. The building's really nice with some art deco touches. I'd think it can accommodate all necessary police services for the city center.

Typhoo25

September 8th, 2007, 12:22 AM

There is also the police station at the courts. I believe that this is the main station for the city now and Millgarth is mainly CID etc.

Do I take it from the divisional hq comment means that it is moving from Wakey into Leeds?

Interesting fact: Leeds is managed by half as many police as Wakefield on weekend nights due to their door security management programme.

Leeds No.1

September 8th, 2007, 12:27 AM

If youre taking about the police station Im thinking about, its the worst building ever! After my little event, I ended up eventually going to this place near the Intl. Pool for ID Parades, and that place looked like it was ready for demolition. It was the sort of place that had peeling paint and doors that didnt close, on the waiting rooms that have magazines from 1995 :)

Columbus

September 8th, 2007, 12:30 AM

Shouldn't this title be changed to approved eastgate/ harewood quarter, or do we have to wait for the new designs to come through and go through another application for this?

Leeds_John

September 8th, 2007, 11:44 PM

Munro

September 11th, 2007, 11:33 AM

Any news on the second department store at Eastgate. I here that there have been some movements?

5th Elevation

September 11th, 2007, 11:46 AM

Any news on the second department store at Eastgate. I here that there have been some movements?

The suggestion is they have agreed a deal with someone, but they're not saying who. The comment came from a presentation the developers made on Friday that a friend of mine attended.

My money is on it being one of the existing occupiers on Brigate.

Leeds No.1

September 11th, 2007, 06:42 PM

If that is the case, I would put my money on House of Fraser. Which could then lead Briggate two ways: an empty store left to decay, or a redevelopment plan that brings that area up to the same standard of the northern end of Briggate.

Rob

September 12th, 2007, 10:19 AM

Shouldn't this title be changed to approved eastgate/ harewood quarter, or do we have to wait for the new designs to come through and go through another application for this?

It's only got outline approval so far. We can get rid of the 'proposed' bit now though.

Munro

September 12th, 2007, 04:41 PM

Speaking to some planning buddies I hear that the actual scheme is called "Eastgate Quarters", so think the tread name should change to that.

5th Elevation

September 12th, 2007, 05:05 PM

Speaking to some planning buddies I hear that the actual scheme is called "Eastgate Quarters", so think the tread name should change to that.

That's what the website says too. They must have paid some marketing type a huge amount of money to come up with something as originl as that...

Interestingly (or not) Trinity / Plaza is now called Trinity Quarter and Land Sec / Caddick are calling themselves The Leeds Alliance. Hammerson and TCS are called The Leeds Partnership, delivering Eastgate Quarters. So that's not confusing at all then.

Munro

September 12th, 2007, 05:14 PM

If not House of Fraser, how about a 150,000 sq ft Greggs. It could be called the "Palace of Pies"...

Either that M&S? Their store on Brigate is really poor and the only option is Eastgate.

5th Elevation

September 12th, 2007, 05:27 PM

If not House of Fraser, how about a 150,000 sq ft Greggs. It could be called the "Palace of Pies"...

Either that M&S? Their store on Brigate is really poor and the only option is Eastgate.

M&S is shown on the Trinity Quarter plans and keeps on being mentioned as the anchor for the scheme, so I don't think they'll be moving - can't imagine a developer putting out a plan to the market that gets the anchor store to their scheme wrong!

So that leaves Debenhams, House of Fraser and as Munro suggests Greggs. I personally think we don't have enough of them in the city ........ hmmmmmm sausage rolls.........

touchthesky

September 13th, 2007, 05:26 PM

M&S is shown on the Trinity Quarter plans and keeps on being mentioned as the anchor for the scheme, so I don't think they'll be moving - can't imagine a developer putting out a plan to the market that gets the anchor store to their scheme wrong!

So that leaves Debenhams, House of Fraser and as Munro suggests Greggs. I personally think we don't have enough of them in the city ........ hmmmmmm sausage rolls.........

Urgh...the artificial pink sausage colouring puts me off...for quality sausage rolls go to Baker's Oven. Odd as Greggs own baker's Oven...

Could have a Topshop as anchor...they are gradually getting bigger as in Oxford Street and the one on briggate is horrible and cramped.

touchthesky

September 13th, 2007, 05:27 PM

btw...is Waitrose going to be in Eastgate?

tomd89

September 13th, 2007, 08:05 PM

btw...is Waitrose going to be in Eastgate?

I would have thought so, as Waitrose is part of John Lewis

touchthesky

September 14th, 2007, 03:29 PM

waitrose can be stand alone as well like in Otley.

I emailed them aaaages ago and they said they had no plans to open a Leeds Waitrose store.

Just hoping they change their minds!!!

5th Elevation

September 14th, 2007, 03:37 PM

waitrose can be stand alone as well like in Otley.

I emailed them aaaages ago and they said they had no plans to open a Leeds Waitrose store.

Just hoping they change their minds!!!

John Lewis won't have a Waitrose, they're going to have a John Lewis food hall instead (it's the worst kept secret in Leeds property circles at the moment). Their first is opening in the London Oxford Street in a month or so's time, see the attached.

http://http://www.johnlewispartnership.co.uk/Display.aspx?MasterId=6c68b9a1-dc43-41a5-9c0e-3c668eb46225&NavigationId=679 (http://www.johnlewispartnership.co.uk/Display.aspx?MasterId=6c68b9a1-dc43-41a5-9c0e-3c668eb46225&NavigationId=679)

As far as I can tell, the food dall is going to be similar to Selfridges one and it won't be branded Waitrose. The John Lewis food hall for leeds is the small dangly box at the bottom of the store facing onto Eastgate.

aviator

September 24th, 2007, 02:21 PM

Now this is welcome news from today's YEP.

Project boost as council asked to approve sale

By David Marsh

LAND in Elland Road close to Leeds United's stadium is likely to be sold to West Yorkshire Police for a new divisional headquarters. Senior councillors will next week be asked to approve in principle the sale of the former Elland Road greyhound track to the county's police authority.

The deal would allow the police's current divisional headquarters at Millgarth to be demolished to make way for new development. A statement issued by the council said that at its meeting on Tuesday, the Executive Board would be asked to "approve in principle the sale of the former Elland Road greyhound stadium at open market value to the West Yorkshire Police Authority as a potential site for their new divisional HQ.

"While this move is subject to negotiation and approval by the police, the agreement in principle will help to facilitate part of plans for the redevelopment of the city centre Eastgate and Harewood Quarter, which includes the police authority's existing site next to Kirkgate Market."

Plans for the regeneration of the wider Elland Road area, including land alongside the football ground, are also likely to take a step forward with the board being recommended to approve an informal planning statement to help guide prospective developers.

The area surrounding the stadium includes 18.5 hectares of land which is largely car parking. As a landmark site in the city, close to the M621 and the Leeds-London rail line, the council believes it could make a significant contribution to the regeneration of Beeston and Holbeck.

This year the council produced a draft masterplan for the area, which went out to public consultation. The board will discuss the results of that consultation.

Coun Andrew Carter, deputy leader and executive member for development and regeneration, said: "We recognise that Elland Road is a landmark site in Leeds and that it has an important contribution to make to our work to take the city up a league nationally and internationally and to the regeneration of its surrounding communities.

"The consultation exercise was an extremely worthwhile process enabling us to draw out people's aspirations and concerns about the Elland Road area and these views have been taken into account in the informal planning statement."

I'm sure I've recently seen a render of the Harewood Quarter with a new building standing on the site of Millgarth but I can't recall where (developer's website perhaps?).

Anyway, the prospect of seeing that horrid abortion disappear for good has cheered my week no end.

An update from the minutes of the meeting of the council's Executive Board:

DEVELOPMENT AND REGENERATION

66 Development Proposals for Elland Road

Further to minute 215 of the meeting held on 14th March 2007 the Director of
City Development submitted a report on the outcome of public consultation on the development proposals for the Elland Road site, presenting a proposed informal planning statement as a guide to future development proposals and on initial proposals for progress.

RESOLVED –
(a) That the outcome of the public consultation process on the development proposals for the Elland Road site be noted.

(b) That the informal planning statement presented as a guide to future development proposals for the Elland Road site be approved and note that it may be necessary to review the content of the information planning statement dependent upon the outcome of the major leisure interest shown in the site.

(c) That the exploration of the potential and the implications for the provision of a park and ride facility on the site be approved.

(d) That in principle the sale of the former Greyhound Stadium site at open market value to the West Yorkshire Police Authority as a site for their new Divisional HQ, subject to the final terms being agreed by the Director of City Development be approved.

(e) That a proportion of the receipt from the Greyhound Stadium site and others arising from the Council disposals in the area covered by the informal planning statement may be required to facilitate the reconfiguration of car parking and the implementation of any infrastructure proposals required to facilitate the comprehensive redevelopment of the Elland Road site be noted.

Even though the site may well be sold to a different developer other than Hammerson, there could be a planning requirement to ensure that whatever is built there integrate properly with the rest of Eastgate.