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ps60 August 3rd, 2005, 10:27 AM West Point
This 16-storey scheme, which is heading towards completion, is seeing the re-cladding and extension of the current tower along with the demolition of the podium block.
This landmark building will contain 250 luxury residential and serviced apartments, a 40 bedroom boutique hotel (?), offices and conference & leisure facilities.
http://www.leeds-cityscape.co.uk/westpoint.jpg
http://www.leeds-cityscape.co.uk/westpoint1lg.jpg
http://www.leeds-cityscape.co.uk/westpoint2lge.jpg
http://www.leeds-cityscape.co.uk/westpointarial003.jpg
ps60 August 3rd, 2005, 10:31 AM The site on 19/02/05
http://www.leeds-cityscape.co.uk/wcentral.JPG
http://www.leeds-cityscape.co.uk/wcentra2l.JPG
ps60 August 3rd, 2005, 06:10 PM The site on 09/04/05
http://www.leeds-cityscape.co.uk/photos/09-04-2005/West%20Point.jpg
http://www.leeds-cityscape.co.uk/photos/09-04-2005/West%20Point%202.jpg
Leeds No.1 August 3rd, 2005, 06:17 PM hmm coming along in that pic. Just needs something to hide it now lol. Ill get the train in tommorow and have a look.
jimbo August 3rd, 2005, 09:34 PM And remember the lowrise office block shown in the renders is to be replaced (we hope) by the 52 storey and 27 storey twin Venture Towers by KW Linfoot (although conspicuous lack of anything on the Linfoot site).
this image was from back in March, but the foreground surrounded by barriers etc is the site of the Venture Towers.
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2885/westpoint32ju.jpg
aviator September 2nd, 2005, 08:36 PM I know this isn't everyone's favourite but West Central is almost complete. It occurred to me when I took this shot that it will soon be impossible to shoot the whole building, if all the plans come off. From this angle, for example, the Whitehall Riverside buildings will obscure it. The Wellington Place development will do the same from the west. And of course, there are the two massive towers to come............
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/bd906d5a.jpg
HOI September 2nd, 2005, 09:07 PM Yeah i saw it today when i drove past. It changes every time i see it. Coming along very fast.
Smoggie_Si September 2nd, 2005, 09:30 PM It changes every time i see it.
Sadly it never gets any easier on the eye. :(
jimbo September 2nd, 2005, 10:06 PM Sadly it never gets any easier on the eye. :(
oh smoggie you killjoy! As Aviator says, soon we won't be able to see it from any angle. More to the point, our eyes will be drawn to rather more interesting buildings...............
Smoggie_Si September 2nd, 2005, 10:15 PM oh smoggie you killjoy! As Aviator says, soon we won't be able to see it from any angle. More to the point, our eyes will be drawn to rather more interesting buildings...............
Hey Jimbo!:)
Fingers crossed, in the meantime I wonder if we could ask that artist who wrapped up the Reichstag a few years ago to work his magic with West Point! :D
Stig282 September 20th, 2005, 04:58 PM Do we have a completion date for this?
Talisker October 8th, 2005, 10:27 PM wide angle photo, from aire street:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/xapbpoh/photos/leeds_west-central05.jpg
Fred2 October 8th, 2005, 10:40 PM wide angle photo, from aire street:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/xapbpoh/photos/leeds_west-central05.jpg
Hardly a visual delight !
HOI October 8th, 2005, 11:29 PM Not as bad as it used to look so dont complain lads ;D
Leeds No.1 October 8th, 2005, 11:40 PM JUst what I was about to say. It's not that bad... and anyway, it will be hidden by various buildings soo anyway. One thing they should do is give it a less flat look tho. Some windows look almost stuck on..
Fred2 October 8th, 2005, 11:40 PM Not as bad as it used to look so dont complain lads ;D
Of course it's an improvement - but why should we have to settle for second best ? I think the typical council house block has more character than this.
Leeds No.1 October 9th, 2005, 01:27 AM I can think of many buildings that should need recladding or changing more than this, in other words despite being 2nd best its not bad. Its only reclad. The Yorkshire Post building should be rebuilt or recladded, but with a tall building there, to oppose Mayfair and act as a gate to the city centre.
Stig282 October 11th, 2005, 02:54 PM The apartments look like those in Whitehall Waterfront for those interested.
Fred2 October 11th, 2005, 05:46 PM The apartments look like those in Whitehall Waterfront for those interested.
Do you mean the interiors ?
HOI October 11th, 2005, 07:04 PM Of course it's an improvement - but why should we have to settle for second best ? I think the typical council house block has more character than this.
i'd Settle for 2nd best rather than that old grey building which was there before.
Fred2 October 11th, 2005, 07:50 PM i'd Settle for 2nd best rather than that old grey building which was there before.
OK it's better than it was before - but it could be even better. You have to develop a more critical and discerning attitude if you really want the best - and why shouldn't we have the best ?
Skopie October 11th, 2005, 07:52 PM Do you mean the interiors ?
The interior of all new build flats seem almost identical to me. Trademark white walls, laminate floor, cheap dkitchen against the back wall and a black leather couch.
Stig282 October 13th, 2005, 06:02 PM Do you mean the interiors ?
yep, same floors, black kitchens, open shower/ensuites. No bath, no freezer, no washing machine provided either.
Either KWL haven't learnt or were seriously cutting costs...
di Livio October 14th, 2005, 02:12 PM Check ouy Jimbo's picture of Whitehall on the Leeds thread. It really shows how ugly the whole development is. A base of terracotta tiling, lined with repulsive grey plastic, undermining the quality of Whitehall quay in front.
Not even Lego architecture. Duplo.
Bachy Soletanche October 14th, 2005, 04:46 PM It looks like (from the pictures, not seen it in real life) those huge council estate buildings they have (had?) in the Gorbals in Glasgow.
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/thumbs/38145StirlingfauldPlace_pic1.jpg
Talisker October 15th, 2005, 06:35 AM It's worse than the original building. At least modernism has a point to it, and a philosophy.... this thing is less of an attempt at a brave new world, and more the answer to the question "how can we make as much money as possible from this site?"
The cladding is cheap and nasty, the balconies clutter the building and serve only to add value to the properties. It's just a vast soul destroying hulk... a commercial whore of a building
http://members.lycos.co.uk/xapbpoh/photos/royalmail2.jpg
Stig282 October 15th, 2005, 11:16 AM oh how I agree. especially as its such a big building. At least the other new buildings around it have attempted a design, even if they haven't been so successful either.
jimbo October 15th, 2005, 11:19 AM I'm inclined to agree - the grey cladding is absolutely awful - so cheap and looks like it would blow off in any high wind. The circular windows / portholes on the stairwells etc are even comical.
To cheer us all up, remember that West Point is due something rather different in the coming years:
From August's Economy Bulletin - probably been posted before, but we hopefully should see it submitted for planning before Xmas (even though Construction News reported it being submitted last month - nothing has appeared on the council's planning list).
'KW Linfoot and Scarborough Development Group have proposed a 516 ft skyscraper on land between Wellington Street and Whitehall Road as part of the West Point regeneration scheme. The £200m development includes a health centre,offices, 650 apartments, shops, cafes and restaurants. A similar 26-storey glass tower, 295 ft in height, would be built next door to it containing 100 serviced apartments and around 100,000 sq ft of office space. The developers are expected to apply for detailed planning permission before the end of the year'.
Leedsfella October 15th, 2005, 04:16 PM I dont mind west point, fair enough they could have made it better but you carnt honestly think the old royal mail building is better?? Given the option you would rather have that then west point? I dont think so.
Lets just hope the venture towers are built, regardless of whether west point is shit or not.
Fred2 October 15th, 2005, 09:21 PM I dont mind west point, fair enough they could have made it better but you carnt honestly think the old royal mail building is better?? Given the option you would rather have that then west point? I dont think so.
Are you suggesting that, after all the money and time spent on it and all the hype, it is slightly better than the old Royal Mail building, we should be truly grateful ? Let's hope it is obscured by better buildings as soon as possible !
Leeds No.1 October 15th, 2005, 09:46 PM I don't know why you're complaining- it's not that bad, and it's probably better on the inside. It is better than what was there before, and anyway it will be hidden soon. You should be grateful that Leeds is a pretty lucky city to get any regeneration at all. If you don't like sorta thing then you need to brace yourself for similar buildings at various locations in Leeds such as the Triangle and Trinity Qtr. (despite only a few facades visible and possbile redesign).
Fred2 October 15th, 2005, 11:47 PM I don't know why you're complaining- it's not that bad, and it's probably better on the inside. It is better than what was there before, and anyway it will be hidden soon. You should be grateful that Leeds is a pretty lucky city to get any regeneration at all. If you don't like sorta thing then you need to brace yourself for similar buildings at various locations in Leeds such as the Triangle and Trinity Qtr. (despite only a few facades visible and possbile redesign).
Oh dear ! And why shouldn't Leeds get any regeneration ?
CharlieP October 16th, 2005, 11:49 AM I quite like it.
Fred2 October 16th, 2005, 11:59 AM I quite like it.
We all have out varying opinions - and you know mine. However, Charlie, living in Wakefield, presumably you won't have to look at it every day.
Rob October 16th, 2005, 02:12 PM We all have out varying opinions - and you know mine. However, Charlie, living in Wakefield, presumably you won't have to look at it every day.
I quite like it too, it's certainly ok, ... and I do see it every day, I can see the upper half of it from my bedroom window, and I catch the bus outside it every day.
di Livio October 17th, 2005, 01:32 PM brace yourself for similar buildings at various locations in Leeds such as the Triangle and Trinity Qtr. (despite only a few facades visible and possbile redesign).
Trinity Quarter should be vastly better than the execrable West Point. I've seen the model, and we're talking about Enric Miralles here, not Carey Jones.
Stig282 October 17th, 2005, 03:14 PM Enric Miralles as RIBA STerling winner for Scottish Parliament? He's dead...
aviator October 17th, 2005, 03:35 PM Enric Miralles as RIBA STerling winner for Scottish Parliament? He's dead...
So's Gaudi but they're still building La Sagrada Familia in Barcelona. The designers for the Trinity Quarter are Stanley Bragg Architects from Colchester. Miralles worked with them as a consultant on the plans, and provided the memorable snaking glass roof. The model, which di Livio refers to, showed beautifully the impact the roof would have on the shopping centre below.
Fred2 October 17th, 2005, 05:27 PM So's Gaudi but they're still building La Sagrada Familia in Barcelona. The designers for the Trinity Quarter are Stanley Bragg Architects from Colchester. Miralles worked with them as a consultant on the plans, and provided the memorable snaking glass roof. The model, which di Livio refers to, showed beautifully the impact the roof would have on the shopping centre below.
Let's hope it is good. We have been waiting long enough for it.
di Livio October 17th, 2005, 07:56 PM Let's hope it is good. We have been waiting long enough for it.
Unfortunately, we'll have to wait about 32 months from the start date 'til completion.
ahmedd October 28th, 2005, 11:13 AM A small plaza has opened up at the foot of west point, lot's of seating and even some grass! was only driving past but looked like welcome bit of open area. This should be a nice place to sit looking up at 50 storeytower!
Fred2 October 28th, 2005, 12:10 PM A small plaza has opened up at the foot of west point, lot's of seating and even some grass! was only driving past but looked like welcome bit of open area. This should be a nice place to sit looking up at 50 storeytower!
If the latter ever materialises (and even if it doesn't) don't expect to sit out there bathed in sun whenever it shines ! :)
Skychaser 2005 October 28th, 2005, 07:10 PM A small plaza has opened up at the foot of west point, lot's of seating and even some grass! was only driving past but looked like welcome bit of open area. This should be a nice place to sit looking up at 50 storeytower!
I think there were plans to incorporate a large sculpture on this site. I wonder if that is to be situated on this plaza?
jimbo October 28th, 2005, 11:41 PM If the latter ever materialises (and even if it doesn't) don't expect to sit out there bathed in sun whenever it shines ! :)
Needless to say something will appear on the current empty site. The West Point towers will be awesome, and Kevin Linfoot has been vocal (albeit fairly restricted) has pledged his real commitment to getting these built as a lasting legacy. The planning application was only mooted for sometime this year, so it could be submitted anytime, and most welcome it will be. The 'plaza' could be interesting!?! Let's face it, Wellington Street is still really a bit barren, no entertainment experience compared to the east end of town and the Corn Exchange / Call Lane.
Even Flow June 3rd, 2006, 02:03 PM According to an article in the YEP today, CO-op are opening a store in West Point, aimed at station commuters, residents and workers from the local area. If it is successful they will look to open further outlets in the city centre. I believe it said it was scheduled to open this summer.
Stig282 June 4th, 2006, 11:21 PM That is correct.
Greggs are going in there too, along with a Patisserie and a sandwch shop.
Leeds No.1 June 5th, 2006, 05:33 PM Benjy's for the sandwich shop maybe?
Stig282 June 5th, 2006, 06:00 PM I thought it was called Breeze...?
jimbo June 5th, 2006, 09:58 PM That is correct.
Greggs are going in there too, along with a Patisserie and a sandwch shop.
Greggs and a Co-op. Excuse my little sniffle, but surely they could have marketed for some nice little independent operator instead of a neon blue and yellow lettered chain selling greasy pasties to the masses. argh, what next, Subway in Clarence Dock?
Leeds No.1 June 5th, 2006, 11:50 PM I don't see why you're complaining- something I notice with Brits! They complain theres the lack of something but when it comes its just as bad as before! We've been wanting a convenience store for ages! Nothing wrong with CO-OP at all, its a good convenience store. An independent operator would find the lease to expensive I would think and I like chains because you know what to expect and at what prices. Its not like its going to be a major shopping destination. As for Clarence Dock, I doubt subway will move in. Although don't be suprised if Starbucks, Costa, Caffe Nero, Progreso etc move in there. It would be a good location for a London Restaurant like the ones that are spreading to the regions e.g Wagamama and Yo! Sushi...
Skopie June 6th, 2006, 12:01 AM There's a Yo Sushi in Harvey Nicks, and a wagamama is also opening up in Leeds, can't remember where.
I think a co-op is great, it beats another bloody tesco.
Gregs can piss off though.
Hopefully the patisserie and sandwich shop will be independant stores. The patisserie sounds great, great assest to have at the bottom of your building, you never have to make breakfast again.
Leeds No.1 June 6th, 2006, 12:04 AM I know, thats why I chose those particular chains. Greggs is OK, not amazing but dont mind it. I know theres a Yo! Sushi in HN! Im going there on Saturday coz I got 1/2 price :D and theres Si Sushi in the Electric Press. Wagamama opening on East Parade/Greek Street. I think (might have been Park Row/Greek St.)
Val Verde November 7th, 2006, 05:58 PM Does anyone know what the mint colour cladded building that is being constructed right next to West Point is? Seen it been constructed passing on the train is this more residential or something else?
Gallery North November 7th, 2006, 08:13 PM Does anyone know what the mint colour cladded building that is being constructed right next to West Point is? Seen it been constructed passing on the train is this more residential or something else?
Don't know myself, but if it is possible to spoil this development, this does. I find it extremely tacky.
www.gallerynorth.co.uk
pfeatherstone November 7th, 2006, 10:22 PM Subway in Clarence Dock?
yea...how did you know?? ho ho ho.
why not put a farm stores in there as well..lol
;@(
Rob November 7th, 2006, 10:27 PM You're a miserable sod today pfeatherstone, what's up? found out you've won the lottery and can't find your ticket or something?
aviator November 8th, 2006, 12:15 AM Does anyone know what the mint colour cladded building that is being constructed right next to West Point is? Seen it been constructed passing on the train is this more residential or something else?
It isn't next door to West Point, it's built on top. Or more to the point, it's been built on top of the indoor parking. That's the grey brick clad part of West Point fronting Northern Street. It does look odd and makes me think it's been stuck on as an afterthought.
Leeds_John November 8th, 2006, 12:24 AM I was wondering what the hell that thing was they they are building atop of the car park, can anyone enlighten us all?
ahmedd November 8th, 2006, 12:28 AM does this mean the little crane has gone?
Whatever it is it wasn't in the orgional plans. Could possibky be extra apartments.
Da Bomb November 10th, 2006, 12:31 PM I was wondering what the hell that thing was they they are building atop of the car park, can anyone enlighten us all?
It's the studio apartments which are being sold on the cheap to first time buyers and the Yorkshire Housing Association.
If I bought an apartment in the bottom six floors of this develop I would be very worried as your view would be obscured by that green tripe.
Smoggie_Si November 11th, 2006, 04:26 PM It's the studio apartments which are being sold on the cheap to first time buyers and the Yorkshire Housing Association.
If I bought an apartment in the bottom six floors of this develop I would be very worried as your view would be obscured by that green tripe.
Anyone got any pictures? I'm really intruiged to see how West Point is being made even uglier!
Jebus November 11th, 2006, 05:41 PM There you Smoggie_Si a few pics of "the most prestigious apartments in Leeds"! :crazy2:
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/save_mejebus/West%20Point%2010-11-06/WP2.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/save_mejebus/West%20Point%2010-11-06/WP3.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/save_mejebus/West%20Point%2010-11-06/WP1.jpg
Smoggie_Si November 11th, 2006, 06:04 PM Cheers Jebus! Well I guess it's a contrast to the terracotta and grey cladding. Er can't really think of anything positive to say apart from that I feared it was going to be even worse!
Jebus November 11th, 2006, 06:27 PM I think Carey Jones deserve some kind of award for West Point, it just keeps getting uglier each time I see it. The old Post Office building should have been demolished instead of turned into this monstrosity.
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/save_mejebus/lapwld.jpg
Once La Lumiere built its goon alook even worse, what they should of done is build 3 Lumiere Towers instead of 2
Leeds_John November 11th, 2006, 07:07 PM How utterly bizarre and pointless that little afterthought /extension is... unlucky for the people that bought apartments with views blocked by this
jimbo November 11th, 2006, 08:28 PM How utterly bizarre and pointless that little afterthought /extension is... unlucky for the people that bought apartments with views blocked by this
couldn't agree more - what a pointless, cynical little exercise in exploiting limited space to the detriment of those original investors who have occupied the lower levels.
For once, the terracotta I've not got a huge problem with, its the awful gun metal grey panels on the top which make it look like vast mobile homes have landed on top of the building.
Leeds No.1 November 11th, 2006, 08:44 PM couldn't agree more - what a pointless, cynical little exercise in exploiting limited space to the detriment of those original investors who have occupied the lower levels.
What a long winded way of saying "what a crap idea" :) And I agree btw :)
LeedsLad November 11th, 2006, 08:59 PM http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/save_mejebus/West%20Point%2010-11-06/WP3.jpg
Don't forget the wasted opportunity at street level - as you walk up this street you just have a big grey brick wall towering over you - would have made it more of street if it had retail units at the ground floor level...
Val Verde November 11th, 2006, 09:43 PM http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/save_mejebus/West%20Point%2010-11-06/WP1.jpg
Ruddy hell what is with that huge gap in bricks!:eek: Also what genius architect though it would be aesthetically pleasing to have on buildings breezeblocks as it rivals the worst concrete cladding of the 1960s as worst cladding to use for buildings. :ohno: Also other than the mint green cladding this annex to West Point would surely would help to make this development which was dissapointing in the first place into a greater dissapointment which at least there is the saving grace of La Lumiere to come along soon. Did any early renders for this scheme feature the green part of West Point as I never recalled it and also why could they not have had a quality street level surrounding this scheme which I certainly agree with LeedsLad that they should have included in this scheme.
Leeds No.1 November 11th, 2006, 10:35 PM What are they? Apartments, offices?
onix November 12th, 2006, 02:20 AM ..
jimbo November 12th, 2006, 02:49 AM What a long winded way of saying "what a crap idea" :) And I agree btw :)
right, thanks for that. One normally tries to explain and justify ones vexation instead of simply saying 'that's crap'. :nuts:
leeds the best November 12th, 2006, 01:12 PM one from west point
http://i9.tinypic.com/47t4jmx.jpg
Stig282 November 13th, 2006, 11:54 AM The apartments were added after the initial design proposal had been accepted and the majority of sales in West Point had been agreed!
Truly anyone who has an apartment on the lower 8 floors overlooking that must be crying over their deeds. (I know one or two who have done just that in my presence after I informed them of what was about to take place).
As for renders, the only things to ever surface were line drawings with no indication of colours or finish.
This for me epitomises how KWL has treated Leeds to date; as his personal cash cow with no regard for its longevity or greater volume of residents.
I really, truly hope he has pulled his socks up and matured as a developer as he takes on the epic Lumiere (still a shite name BTW!).
Leeds could well be cursing KWL in 20 years time. By then it will be too late and he will be too rich.
di Livio November 13th, 2006, 12:53 PM (I know one or two who have done just that in my presence after I informed them of what was about to take place).
This for me epitomises how KWL has treated Leeds to date; as his personal cash cow with no regard for its longevity or greater volume of residents.
I really, truly hope he has pulled his socks up and matured as a developer as he takes on the epic Lumiere (still a shite name BTW!).
Leeds could well be cursing KWL in 20 years time. By then it will be too late and he will be too rich.
That's rotten. Robbing the reasonably well-off to feed the super-rich. But it's not only Linfoot who regards Leeds as his personal cash cow.
(anyone else dislike the patronising note on his website 'Breathing life into Leeds'?)
Even Flow November 13th, 2006, 02:39 PM Theres too many different finishes going on, it looks like what it is, an afterthought.
Only advantage for the inhabitants whose views have been blocked is that at least they wont be missing out on much, the view onto the rear of the stunning Aireside Retail Park isnt exactly what you want to wake up to everyday. Of course, when Wellington Place gets going things might be different, but it's hardly motoring along currently.
LeedsLad November 13th, 2006, 04:32 PM Hey don't slate Mr Linfoot too much - remember he's planning on beating Lumiere some time soon...
onix November 13th, 2006, 08:12 PM ..
Stig282 November 14th, 2006, 06:31 AM ITs built above the grey brick car park that is the base of the cross-shaped building that is the West Point apartments. It stands inside the quadrant of two of the wings of West POint but there is a gap (6-8m IIRC) between its windowless rear and the apartments themselves.
di Livio November 14th, 2006, 11:27 AM Hey don't slate Mr Linfoot too much - remember he's planning on beating Lumiere some time soon...
Another vanity project? It's the Ridsdale mentality all over again.
Stig282 November 14th, 2006, 01:24 PM Please no! Though if he did balls the city up he'd be more than welcome to bugger off to Cardiff or even Barnsley!
LeedsLad November 14th, 2006, 01:40 PM Hey who's complaining if he wants to build something as good as Lumiere but even taller - there's not many others queueing up to do the same. He usually gets on with it aswell!
Stig282 November 14th, 2006, 06:45 PM I'd be complaining if either Lumiere or any other proposal was built to the same levels of 'quality' (sic) that either Whitehall Waterfront or West Point have been, and be treated the same way as the owners and investors have been regardless of how damn tall it might be!
Jebus November 14th, 2006, 07:08 PM Here's another one of this 'thing'
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/save_mejebus/West%20Point%2010-11-06/WP4.jpg
di Livio November 14th, 2006, 07:56 PM Cripes, look at that wall of disgusting John Major grey to the left of the development. Vile.
I noticed the green thing while pulling away from the train station this morning. It looked so pointless i wanted to cry. On the other hand, the tlatest Whitehall Riverside block looks much better now it's finished.
leeds the best November 14th, 2006, 08:52 PM its not really that bad. its a midrise which is ok and the aartments sound nice.
Rob November 14th, 2006, 10:03 PM No doubt it's an architects expression with a bit of colour. I think its ok but the unnecesary blocking of light from those apartment windows behind seems pretty bad and surprising.
As for Mr Linfoot, don't knock his mark on Leeds, he's helped transform this city more than anyone else, and I can't say he's done much wrong yet at all. Roll on Lumiere!
Leeds_John November 14th, 2006, 10:03 PM Well its not as bad as Park Plaza Hotel (minus the podium) but its still VERY bad considering its location, will lower the tone of Lumiere.
Rob November 14th, 2006, 10:12 PM de-ja-vu!
Some of us like the Park Plaza/K2/Basilica/Tower North uniform tower cladding.
Liam November 14th, 2006, 10:17 PM and some of us don't.....
JOliver November 14th, 2006, 10:42 PM Here's another one of this 'thing'
If a flying saucer landed on a roof of West Point it would look less out of place than this "thing".
Rob November 14th, 2006, 10:57 PM It's a democracy on here, we're all entitled to our opinions. :cool:
jimbo November 14th, 2006, 11:44 PM Here's another one of this 'thing'
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/save_mejebus/West%20Point%2010-11-06/WP4.jpg
can't remember who said it, but grey is the new terracotta in Leeds me thinks. In-fact the red tiles are probably the least offensive element of West Point.
the new extension almost looks like an architect has seen the mint green at Gateway and St James's and thought bugger it, let's give it a whirl here and see what happens. From distance its an interesting colour clash, but by lord, completely incongruous.
jimbo November 14th, 2006, 11:46 PM It's a democracy on here, we're all entitled to our opinions. :cool:
and two minutes with an average skyscraper enthusiast will soon make you change your mind...........
Leeds_John November 15th, 2006, 07:14 PM de-ja-vu!
Some of us like the Park Plaza/K2/Basilica/Tower North uniform tower cladding.
I dont mind the efforts they have made on Basilica and Tower North, i rather like them. An A- for K2; best 60s tower refurb in the City.
pfeatherstone November 15th, 2006, 11:08 PM this building is vile, at ground level and from a distance. P*ss poor. The leeds style seems to be crappy grey cladding now?
Liam November 16th, 2006, 09:45 AM It is indeed a disaster. There is no continuity architecturally speaking. The turqoise/grey/terracotta combo is quite frankly incomprehensible. I like K2, but I think this is vying for worst 'new' build in town.
It also seems of taken an eternity to build. Are there any plans to develop anything on the virtually derilict MFI/Jolly Giant retail park (I forget the name)
Leeds No.1 November 16th, 2006, 10:06 AM Aireside Retail Park; yes thats the Wellington Place scheme. One thread, can't remember which, has views over the area when all these schems have been finished- you can see it will be very maturely developed by this time.
I love K2 :D
As for West point; not as bad as it used to be, could have done alot more, colour combination is bad; too many styles and shapes crammed into one building. But itll do; other schemes will cover it up.
di Livio November 16th, 2006, 01:01 PM this building is vile, at ground level and from a distance. P*ss poor. The leeds style seems to be crappy grey cladding now?
In fairness, most of the buildings in this style are re-clads and in most cases this approach is preferable to demolition. At least we can say that Leeds is now relatively free of brutal '60s eyesores like the old Dudley House, or Cavendish House.
http://www.leodis.net/imagesLeodis/screen/04/200325_20257204.jpg
http://www.leodis.net/imagesLeodis/screen/59/2002813_9588259.jpg
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Park Plaza looks ok facing City Square, but i find the horrid grey stripe facing the station m-host objectionable.
http://www.leeds-cityscape.co.uk/photos/09-04-2005/Park%20Plaza%20Hotel%20Leeds.jpg
Stig282 November 16th, 2006, 07:29 PM <thread hijack>
At least we can say that Leeds is now relatively free of brutal '60s eyesores like the old Dudley House, or Cavendish House.
Just so happens the one eye-sore we are not relatively free from is one of the biggest culprits and in one of the worst positions a bad building could be!:
http://www.leeds-cityscape.co.uk/photos/09-04-2005/City%20House%20Leeds.jpg
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Leeds No.1 November 16th, 2006, 07:29 PM True. But its one of the few; should be reclad in glass; reflect the sky so it doesn't look so wall like and dominant.
di Livio November 16th, 2006, 07:31 PM Just so happens the one eye-sore we are not relatively free from is one of the biggest culprits and in one of the worst positions a bad building could be!:
The good news is it was up for sale recently. i can't see it attracting new tenants for the offices, so a re-clad or possibly even a demolition could be on the cards.
Stig282 November 16th, 2006, 08:00 PM http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PTGPOD/870910~Champagne-Cork-Popping-Posters.jpg
Val Verde November 16th, 2006, 08:35 PM Cant see City House being demolished imagine the chaos to Leeds City Station if a demolition took place. Would guess with any redevelopment a radical reclad perhaps with stone and aluminium cladding similar to Bridgewater Place to retain as offices as wouldn't it be too annoying for any residential or hotel to be right next to the station with the noise of trains constantly passing and that announcements woman (eg: hearing 'the 10:54 Virgin Cross Country service to Edinburgh is delayed for approximately 10 minutes' repeatedly would surely be annoying)? What also needs doing perhaps to make the ground floor of this building better at ground floor as at present it is just a plain wall as shown on the picture below and perhaps they could utilise it for additional retail space for City Station.
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Leeds No.1 November 16th, 2006, 08:40 PM The exact text for departures is 'The next train to depart from platform 9c, is the 1744 northern service to Poppleton' or whatever the time, destination, platform is. lol. It needs a reclad yes; but not stone. Glass or aluminium.
Rob November 16th, 2006, 08:46 PM In fairness, most of the buildings in this style are re-clads and in most cases this approach is preferable to demolition. At least we can say that Leeds is now relatively free of brutal '60s eyesores like the old Dudley House, or Cavendish House.
Thanks for this injection of sense di-livio. One good thing for the metal clad blocks is that they look good from a distance, in all skies, in sunlight they look bright on the skyline which is good for Leeds as there are usually dull hills as a backdrop to the skyline, and they look much more metallic and colourful in dull skies.
What else should re-clads be clad in? Glass facades would be totally unfeasable, and terracota and other coloured tiles are unpopular now, precast recon panels would get very tedious and dull if all towers were clad in them (as No 1 City Square), that's why I think the metallic cladding is one of the best option for re-clads.
Stig282 November 16th, 2006, 08:55 PM As coloured glass becomes more common due to advances in technologies, I envisage there being more choices for having combined facądes a lį Lumiere's new proposals. Not like the shite that is Concord Street/Lovell House.
Once there are more tall buildings up I also believe there will be more chances to create more interesting designs. Can you imagine something like the white marbled Grande Arche of La Defčnse in Leeds!? mm-mmmmm!
CharlieP November 16th, 2006, 09:06 PM ...or possibly even a demolition could be on the cards.
Please don't tease me!
jimbo November 19th, 2006, 05:24 PM It is indeed a disaster. There is no continuity architecturally speaking. The turqoise/grey/terracotta combo is quite frankly incomprehensible. I like K2, but I think this is vying for worst 'new' build in town.
It also seems of taken an eternity to build. Are there any plans to develop anything on the virtually derilict MFI/Jolly Giant retail park (I forget the name)
Leeds No.1 already mentioned it, but the Aireside Retail park will become Wellington Place. Quite a comprehensive thread here, with a link to the official site which has just been updated with some of the new proposals.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=239201
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