Is Copenhagen ready to host the Olympics? Your opinion

[onetwothree]

Let's start off by saying that this is nothing official, it's just a thought of mine ;)

So, what do you think? Is Copenhagen still too small a city, are we simply too unimportant? Or are we ready to get the games to Denmark for the first time ever?

Personally, I'm all in favor of Copenhagen hosting the Olympics some time in the next 20 years or so. We might not be one of the biggest cities ever, but hey, I think we could do alright :D I mean, I think Copenhagen will look very different in, lets say, 20 years. We might even have some skyscrapers, lol

You opinion now, would Copenhagen be able to host the Olympics? Maybe not in 2016, but 2020 or 2024 or something :D

[DenverDane]

Yeah, definitely not now, but if they build some more facilities, then I think Copenhagen could do a good job. It would probably need help from the rest of Denmark (perhaps also Sweden) though, and they probably shouldn't shoot for the biggest Olympics ever....

[Moolio]

If Hki did it 53 years ago, then Copenhagen can pull it off any day. I believe Hki was the smallest city ever to host summer olympics. It would be downright AWESOME if Copenhagen were to host summer olympics as well. Then this provincial corner of the world would have a grand total of three cities that can claim to having had the summer olympics.

[_tictac_]

Copenhagen could easily pull it off.
I just don't see why we would want to host the Olympics. It's a bad idea, imho.

Anyway, we've already had this discussion. ;)

[staff]

Moolio,

Still, the Olympics today isn't what it was 50 years ago. The games didn't get really astronomical big until the 1980/1984 when Moscow/LA was the hosts. The marketing and financial issues are extreme if a city wants to host the Olympic Games today.

I'm sure Copenhagen could pull it off (with help from Malmö of course ;)), but I doubt that it would win against the other (probably much larger and more famous) candidate cities.

[cphdude]

Copenhagen could easily pull it off.
I just don't see why we would want to host the Olympics. It's a bad idea, imho.

Anyway, we've already had this discussion. ;)
Yeah you are right, there is already a thread on this...But I also think that we could do it. But we have to agree on it first, We have to agree on spending the money that is needed (whish is a lot, any way you look at it) and not stop halfway because the papers start writing about the money being spend.

So the most importent thing is a thorough studdy, so that everyone know what it costs, and we dont see any of the gutless politicians chicken out in the middle of the whole thing. A studdy is currently underway, and will be done in December. I have no doubt that we can do it, but until December, i dont want to argue yes or no...Lets wait for the study... :cheers:

[cphdude]

Moolio,


I'm sure Copenhagen could pull it off (with help from Malmö of course ;)),.
no offence, but no thanks....that would be a nightmare...

[Moolio]

I'm sure Copenhagen could pull it off (with help from Malmö of course ;)), but I doubt that it would win against the other (probably much larger and more famous) candidate cities.

True. Some might argue that Copenhagen's perceived smallness in regard to the others could be Copenhagen's strenght, though. I think the IOC is bound to give the event to a small place every once in a while just to maintain even a little bit of credibility in fairness. In the most recent couple of decades only major cities have been awarded the olympics, and while that is natural - and even wise to a certain extent - I think Copenhagen might be exactly the kind of place that IOC might be looking for. It's affluent, pretty, safe, large enough to host the event, has a great mass transit system - and is a "small place".

[LoveCPH]

It is official.. SJovt nok var det i Nyhederne omkring da London fik at vide at de skulle være værtsby..

[cphdude]

what is official?

[Hviid]

/\ I think hes a little confused .. It's not official .. atleast not yet! :D

[cphdude]

i though we had gotten rid of this guy...

[Hviid]

i though we had gotten rid of this guy...
lol same here but then i remembered it wasnt this guy we got rid of .. it was LaJollaCA ..

[Gatis]

In an organisatoric way - definitely yes. But there is other problem - getting lots of public. Hundreds of thousands, millions of people paying for tickets and attending any sports events there. Nowadays hosting Olympics costs a lot more than back in 1950ies - and costs of the tickets help to cover the investment at least partly.

F.e. Seoul, Paris or HonkKong easily can get these masses, but sparsely populated European North - not that simple. Copenhagen has the best position in Northern Europe in this respect - nearer to other parts of Europe. But even Athens with its 5 mio metropolis got problems in this respect.

[cphdude]

with 80 millions in germany and 20 or so to the north of us, i dont think that would be a problem though....yes, we are a small country, but we are located pretty well, as you also mention...

[grendy]

I don't know anything about the facilities and stuff in CPH but I see no problem at all is CPH would be the host.. I wish that will happen some day but the olympic games are given so much in the future so it's silly to even think about them at the moment :D

[cphdude]

I don't know anything about the facilities and stuff in CPH but I see no problem at all is CPH would be the host.. I wish that will happen some day but the olympic games are given so much in the future so it's silly to even think about them at the moment :D
i agree...besides we currently dont have nither the facelities nor the expertise to do it, so lets just wait and se what will happend in the next few years...

[Morten M]

I see no reason for using billions on a lot of sportfacillities that will never be used after the games.
With the danish "wealthfare society" (Velfærdssamfund), we just can't afford the olympic games.

We should apply for european championship in football instead. Make a real bid with only one other country instead of that bad one with Norway, Finland and Sweden for Euro 2008.
Euro football is not as exspensive and the facillities will be used afterwards.

[easysurfer]

I believe temperate countries like the UK, DENMARK, GERMANY, RUSSIA, would all make great hosts for the Olympics as they offer the athletes the best climatic conditions in summer. Not cold but not scorching hot. Copenhagen at the moment could not realistically expect to win the Olympics because the lack of marketing, promoting initiatives that would be required to attract big enough support. Also, facilities would need excellent planning etc. If a city like copenhagen put in huge ammounts of effort then they could be rewarded; it depends how much commitment is shown. It might be a big burden though for such a small nation but it is certainly possible.

[cphdude]

I see no reason for using billions on a lot of sportfacillities that will never be used after the games.
With the danish "wealthfare society" (Velfærdssamfund), we just can't afford the olympic games.

We should apply for european championship in football instead. Make a real bid with only one other country instead of that bad one with Norway, Finland and Sweden for Euro 2008.
Euro football is not as exspensive and the facillities will be used afterwards.
Of couse we can afford it...But as we have also been discussing on the actual olympic thread, a bet for a uro cup could come first...But i still dont see how we can use all the ekstre space in the stadiums that is needed...FCK can hardly fill up parken half the time, so either way we are getting some extre capacity...But yeah, it could be done with a new stadium in ørestaden and an upgrade of many of the other stadiums...i just dont know what all these clubs are gonna do with stadiums of atleast 30.000 seats, when most of them cant feel a 10000 seat already...

[jimm]

If Athens was ready so for Copenhagen it's without any doubt.

[chiccoplease]

If Athens was ready so for Copenhagen it's without any doubt.
Athens wasn't ready after all ;) They just "got rid" of certain projects like the ROOF.. This certainly wouldn't happen to Copenhagen but unfortunately Denmark has hardly any chance to get the Olympics. We all know why Athens got them. Nowadays it's all about subjectivity: Greece gets the Olympics because it was the pioneer, South Africa gets the World Cup because it's "Africa" and poor *shakes head*. Beijing was the last understandable decision of the IOC.

[mic of Orion]

Nope, it wont happened anyways, to many big players around, hosting the event is hard, it could be considered an Olympic Discipline in itself, cheating, doping, lying, bribes, corruption and vote rigging, lol… Big Money and Big countries rule, small are left to pick up the pieces like world cups and other minor events, lol….

[Hviid]

lol same here but then i remembered it wasnt this guy we got rid of .. it was LaJollaCA ..
Apparently i was wrong (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=246982) about that too .. :bash:

[cphdude]

Apparently i was wrong (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=246982) about that too .. :bash:
i guess he found a way to beat the system....

[Hviid]

i guess he found a way to beat the system....
Yeah.. but now he's banned again.. lol..

[cphdude]

really?? he he...i only read a ittle bit of the thread you posted, and i saw that it said banned, but i thught he was just using that as a signature....Well, i doubt anyone is crying over that....i saw you gave him a good spanking....very nice...

[Hviid]

really?? he he...i only read a ittle bit of the thread you posted, and i saw that it said banned, but i thught he was just using that as a signature....Well, i doubt anyone is crying over that....i saw you gave him a good spanking....very nice...
LOL :cheers:
He created another account though.. this time he's just called "reykjavik". I dont think we'll hear too much from him though.. Well i hope not anyways :D

[cphdude]

^^ what happend...he used to be a nice guy, and then he came to denmark and we didnt hear from him for a while, and then...well, then he went a little crazy...Anyways, where is his new account? is there a thread where i can see his post?

[Sideshow_Bob]

/\ He has created a few Reykjavik threads in the Cityscapes and Skyline Photos section. Look there.

[Hviid]

^^ what happend...he used to be a nice guy, and then he came to denmark and we didnt hear from him for a while, and then...well, then he went a little crazy...Anyways, where is his new account? is there a thread where i can see his post?
Yeah most of them can be found in the Cityscapes and Skylines forum... Here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=235656) is one i just found...

[cphdude]

BIT OF NEWS ON COPENHAGEN AND 2024 - sorry in Danish only...

København går efter OL 2024


Studietur til London har rustet Københavns Kommune i kapløbet om at sikre sig De Olympiske Lege i 2024.


Københavns Kommune går nu målrettet til værks i bestræbelserne på at få De Olympiske Lege til hovedstaden. Tidligere på måneden tog administrerende direktør Erik Jacobsen og flere ledende folk i kommunen på studietur til London for at kigge englænderne over skuldrene.

Englændernes bud på OL var utrolig gennemarbejdet. Alt var planlagt ned til mindste detalje, og de havde svar på alle spørgsmål. Men ud over en masse planer på papir, så begyndte London allerede inden afgørelsen at sætte byggerier i gang. De viste altså, er der var handling bag alle de fine ord, siger Erik Jacobsen.

Den form for handling skal København også vise, hvis de vil tages seriøst i det olympiske kapløb. Erik Jacobsen nævner en multi-arena og udbygning af infrastrukturen som to af de vigtigste tiltag.

- OL i København i 2024 er realistisk. Vi er blevet klogere efter London-turen og har fået blod på tanden, lyder det fra Erik Jacobsen.

/ritzau/

[onetwothree]

Great article, where did you find it? :) Copenhagen 2024 would be so awesome! :yes:

[cphdude]

^^ It was direct from ritzau, so it was in most of the papers i guess...I saw it in both Berlingske and Ekstre Bladet...

[cphdude]

Hvad nu hvis København bliver vært for OL i 2024? berlingske.dk

Det handler en lille smule om sport. Og en hel masse om at markere København som en moderne metropol. En omgang Olympiske Lege vil derfor ikke være af vejen, mener direktøren for Wonderful Copenhagen.

Fast forward. 19 år frem i tiden, København år 2024. Metroen har forgrenet sig vidt under byens gader, Operaen er en moden sag, der snart kan fejre sit 20. jubilæum og ude i periferien kaster skyskraberne skygger.

Men ikke nok med det. Dén sommer vil byen emme af en ganske særlig verdensbegivenhed. Atleter fra hele verden vil lande i Kastrup Lufthavn, nybyggede stadioner vil strutte i bybilledet og København vil danne baggrundstæppe på tusindevis af fladskærme fra Shanghai til Seattle, når årets Olympiske Lege sættes i gang med en flamme af ild.
For man har jo lov at drømme.

»På det tidspunkt vil jeg være en ung mand på 70,« siger direktøren for Wonderful Copenhagen, Lars Bernhard Jørgensen, og ser helt overrasket ud efter at have regnet lidt på sagen.

Det er rigtig lang tid til 2024, drømmen om at vinde det prestigefyldte OL-værtskab skal stadig tages med »fem kilo salt« - men alligevel er direktøren for hovedstadens kongres- og turismeorganisation ikke i tvivl: En begivenhed af olympiske dimensioner er lige præcis det, en moderne metropol skal markere sig ved i fremtiden. Og - ikke mindst - tjene sine penge på.

»I et moderne samfund må man sikre, at der er talenter, som vil bo her. Virksomheder, der vil investere her. Og turister, som vil tage hertil. Og så er udfordringen: Hvordan får de øje på os?« spørger Lars Bernhard Jørgensen - og svarer selv prompte:

»Store begivenheder er alfa og omega. Det er nutidens måde at kommunikere på: OL er en mulighed for at sende et budskab til verden om, at her i København har vi en vision. Vi vil noget.«

Tilbage i industrisamfundet var de store koncerner rygraden i økonomien, forklarer direktøren videre. Men i dagens videnssamfund er gigantvirksomhederne trådløse; de har ikke nødvendigvis rødderne plantet i hverken nationalmulden eller skattekassen - og derfor er det storbyerne, der i fremtiden skal udgøre knudepunkterne i landenes økonomier. Og med et OL på CVet vil København markere sig stærkt i den globale øregang.

»Prøv at se hele verden som en radio og hver storby som en radiostation. Der handler det om at sende nogle programmer, som er så spændende, at folk vil tune ind på »Kanal København«,« fortæller Lars Bernhard Jørgensen.

Men store armbevægelser kræver også plads. Uden Bella Centeret ville København ikke være en af verdens ti største byer for internationale kongresser, mener Lars Bernhard Jørgensen. Og uden Arken, Den Sorte Diamant, Operahuset, udbyggelsen af Glyptoteket, det nye skuespilhus og de nye koncertsale i Danmarks Radio og Tivoli ville København heller ikke stå stærkt på det kulturelle område.

»Det er lykkedes at tiltrække talenter til kongresser og kulturen. Men skal det lykkes på idrætsiden, må vi også kende vores besøgstid. Vil man for eksempel tiltrække de bedste svømmetalenter, så må man også have et svømmestadion af international standard,« siger Lars Bernhard Jørgensen. Og uden at tabe pusten slutter han:

»Og hvis vi skal have en kinamands chance for at få OL til København, så skal vi styrketræne allerede nu. Vi skal have cykling, EM og VM til Danmark - det er blot etapesejre på vejen mod målet.«
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Olympisk regnestykke

Kulturministeriet, Wonderful Copenhagen, Dansk Idræstforbund, Københavns Kommune, Sport Århus Events og Idrætsfonden Danmark har sat Rambøll Management til at regne på, om det overhovedet kan betale sig at lægge billet ind på OL-værtskabet i 2024.

Resultatet forventes offentliggjort først i december, hvor der blandt andet vil komme svar på disse spørgsmål:

Hvor mange nye idrætsfaciliteter skal der opføres?

Hvad vil det koste at stable en olympisk landsby, et mediecenter og alle hotelfaciliteterne på benene?

Er der brug for at udbygge infrastrukturen? Er der plads til den store mængde tilskuere?

Hvad vil hele molevitten koste?

Og endelig: Kan man på længere sigt tjene noget på, at OL har været afholdt i København?

Kilde: Kulturministeriets kontor for idræt

[FREKI]

I would love it in Copenhagen, but Copenhagen is a bit to small IMO...

Maybe if we made it Copenhagen/Malmo..

But then again... a lot can happen in 19 years

[staff]

Maybe if we made it Copenhagen/Malmo..
Sure, that would be spectacular, but since FIFA has been cranky about two nations holding the WC/EC, it's probably gonna take a lot for two cities from two different nation to hold the Olympic Games.. But who knows - maybe CPH/MMX are considered one city by then. :)

[Morten M]

How on earth can find this kind of money?
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,728676,00.html
:runaway:

[cphdude]

How on earth can find this kind of money?
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,728676,00.html
:runaway:
I dont think that you can use China as an example of how much it will cost...China is really going overbord and spending a lot on these games. They are building new venues for almost every sport and not re-using that many excisting venues and they are sparing no expences on the building. At the same time, they need to do it fast, and they also need to spend on the infrastructure of the city...I heard that 25 % of the total budget goes towards fixing the infrastructure in Bijing. So the basicly have a lot more to fix, and they will, as i said, spare no expences on these projects...China needs to show the world its wealth and capebillety in hosting the games. As he also says in the article, the budget in unlimmeted. So, yeah, 200 billion dollars sounds like a lot but there is obviusly no way copenhagen could afford to spend that much on the games...or even would...

[onetwothree]

Lol, imagine it, some guy is working on the Olympics coming to Copenhagen for 19 years ... And then we don't get it! Talk about a waste of time :P Well ... Even if we do get it, it's only a few weeks =/ 19 years is maybe a bit too far out in the future to already work on.

Anyway, let's put away the criticism, it's lovely news, I'd love to have the Games in CPH! *drool*

og ude i periferien kaster skyskraberne skygger.

Lol, as if ... But let's be positive :D

[Kaneda]

Lol, imagine it, some guy is working on the Olympics coming to Copenhagen for 19 years ... And then we don't get it! Talk about a waste of time :P Well ... Even if we do get it, it's only a few weeks =/ 19 years is maybe a bit too far out in the future to already work on.


Even it we ended up not getting it, it would still be a positiv thing for the city.

[FREKI]

I want it!!!!!

Not becuase I care about sport or much else for that matter... But it will create sort of a deadline and force the old fat guys in charge to get cracking and investing...

Olympic Hilton finished 2025 - 360m tall and the envy for all of europe :cheers:

[cphdude]

I want it!!!!!

Not becuase I care about sport or much else for that matter... But it will create sort of a deadline and force the old fat guys in charge to get cracking and investing...

:
thats actually not a bad idea....Give a deadline to start making some real changes in this city... :)

[FREKI]

Deadlines are the only way I get things done myself... It is my curse... it is my destiny

[cphdude]

How sad and kinda pathetic is this?

Acording to Politiken today, COWI cnslt and TEAM Danmark has gone over the standard of the danish sporting facilities. And the result showed that not one, NOT EVEN ONE, of the facileties lived op to the olympic standard and wold be uselbe in an Olympic...

Not even the pride of the Capital, Parken, and the newly renoveted and extended Brøndby Stadium got higher then category B...And a major renovation would be needed to turn them into A venues...Granted, those are some of the bigge and more epencive once, but still....Man we got alot of work to do....

http://www.dr.dk/Sporten/Oevrig_sport/2005/12/07/120059.htm

[Ringil]

^ so then you need to build a new stadium, which afterall would be kinda cool ;)

[cphdude]

^^oh we need more then that...even if parken and brøndby gets renovated, we need atleast 1 or 2 more...its an entire football turnement...Plus the olympic stadium of couse....

[Ringil]

^ yeahtrue. The olympic games have become so massive in recent years!

[cphdude]

^^yeah,...it would still be cool though...

[Ringil]

the bigger the better, and a lot more expensive!

[FREKI]

An Olympic village and stadium would fit in nicely around Ørestaden and after the games the village could be turned into apartments. And I'm sure the stadium will be usefull in the future... If not we could turn it into a new Forum...

To fund it all we could raise Momsen ( sales tax ) from 25% to 50% duing the games... :devil:


If Denmark can spend millions on H. C. Andersen they sure as hell can spend it on the Olympic Games!

[Morten M]

How sad and kinda pathetic is this?

Acording to Politiken today, COWI cnslt and TEAM Danmark has gone over the standard of the danish sporting facilities. And the result showed that not one, NOT EVEN ONE, of the facileties lived op to the olympic standard and wold be uselbe in an Olympic...

Not even the pride of the Capital, Parken, and the newly renoveted and extended Brøndby Stadium got higher then category B...And a major renovation would be needed to turn them into A venues...Granted, those are some of the bigge and more epencive once, but still....Man we got alot of work to do....

http://www.dr.dk/Sporten/Oevrig_sport/2005/12/07/120059.htm

That is a very bad article!
Because "A-venue" is probebly the same criteria as "UEFA 5-star", you need atleast 50.000 seats. And for the olympics, you need a 5-star stadium for the football final. And if we want the olympics, then there is need for a new olympic stadium anyway at the size of atleast 70.000.

Parken or Brøndby Stadium are actually better than most of the stadiums used in the olympic football tournement.

http://www.athens2004.com/en/Venues/venues?oid=d529f194d0169f00VgnVCMServer28130b0aRCRD

[Chilenofuturista]

sure, why not, go for it. :cheers2:

...But in that case, try to invest a lot in the infrastructre, e.g, extend the Metro quite a bit, that would help a lot the massive invasion of tourists for the games.

[cphdude]

That is a very bad article!
Because "A-venue" is probebly the same criteria as "UEFA 5-star", you need atleast 50.000 seats. And for the olympics, you need a 5-star stadium for the football final. And if we want the olympics, then there is need for a new olympic stadium anyway at the size of atleast 70.000.

Parken or Brøndby Stadium are actually better than most of the stadiums used in the olympic football tournement.

http://www.athens2004.com/en/Venues/venues?oid=d529f194d0169f00VgnVCMServer28130b0aRCRD
That is true, but the olympic tournement is also pretty big. So i doubt that they will allow a smaller capacity....

But even if they did, we would still need at least 1 or 2 more with at least the capasity of 40-50,000, in addition to a possible extension of Parken and Brøndby. And an olympic stadium...

In london they are building a big one, however after the games, it will be turned into a rather small one with only a 25,000 capacity...so i guess we could have a use for that in the future...Maybe with the new club they are creating in copenhagen...But it is hard to see what we might use 4 stadiums in the capital, with 40-50,000 capasity for...Besides, it is almost certain that parken wont be extended more than is already is now...remember bumleby...?

[cphdude]

An Olympic village and stadium would fit in nicely around Ørestaden and after the games the village could be turned into apartments. And I'm sure the stadium will be usefull in the future... If not we could turn it into a new Forum...

<That a great idea. Apartment are always in need, and it is normaly low income apartments created in that sutuation. And yes, an olympic stadium could be used like in London, where they are turning it into a much smaller stadium after the games.

To fund it all we could raise Momsen ( sales tax ) from 25% to 50% duing the games... :devil:
I dont think so...Better start lowering the taxes as it was suggested in the report yesterday...Then we will be able to afford it plenty...


If Denmark can spend millions on H. C. Andersen they sure as hell can spend it on the Olympic Games
Now that we can agree on. It would certainly be a better deal in tearms of money....

Olympic Hilton finished 2025 - 360m tall and the envy for all of europe :cheers:

Ha ha, i missed that one...Great idea, i am all in...

[cphdude]

Minester of culture Bian Mikkelsen said a few days ago that the study and C/B analyses will not be ready in December as prommised, but has been pushed back to Januay. This is due to a last minute addition to the studdy by the govern group (wonderful Copenhagen, Copenhagen City, Team Denmark and others) who asked Rambøll fo some additional calculations. The analyses will therefor be delayed. The minester expect a desicion on the plan in the summer of 2006...

[LoveCPH]

I think we need a brand new and big olympic stadium... Some kind og architectural wonder :)

But where?

[staff]

Copenhagen probably pretty much have to "share" the games with Malmö if this is going to be realized. I'm talking for example football (Copenhagen don't have enough venues), sailing (Malmö is the leading city in the Nordics in this aspect), horse-competitions (same here) etc..

A marathon with start in central Malmö, over the bridge, and finish in Copenhagen is also pretty essential. ;)

[cphdude]

Copenhagen probably pretty much have to "share" the games with Malmö if this is going to be realized. I'm talking for example football (Copenhagen don't have enough venues), sailing (Malmö is the leading city in the Nordics in this aspect), horse-competitions (same here) etc..

A marathon with start in central Malmö, over the bridge, and finish in Copenhagen is also pretty essential. ;)
Yeah, i still dont know, though i am getting warmer on the idea every day....But i still think it will be hard to unite 2 countries on something only taking place in a small region...It would certainly mean a huge sum of the expences would have to be paid via private means...But i guess we could do it...

[cphdude]

That is a very bad article!
Because "A-venue" is probebly the same criteria as "UEFA 5-star", you need atleast 50.000 seats. And for the olympics, you need a 5-star stadium for the football final. ]
There is more about it here...And it also seams that many of the areas cant get a a grade, simply because of a lack of parking and VIP spaces...

But in 25 sports, we can actually host international games, so its not as bad as it seams...

http://www.idan.dk/Nyheder/065nationaleanlaeg.aspx

[cphdude]

Okay....so, the now infamous Olympic report "OL til Danmark - potentialer og barrierer" has apparently been postponed again, and may not be mede public, until after the vinter olympic in torino. But the report is already ready and have started to leak...One of those who have read it, is Birger Kyhl from Team Danmark. He is curretly doing a studdy of all the sports facilities i Denmark, and he says that the reports pretty much are in line with his already published findings, that the facilities are not curently good enough.

The report also looks at the infrastructure and what it would take for Denmark to host an olympic. In apparently it doesnt look that bad.

The conclusion are that in tearms of technic, finance and planing, copenhagen has what it takes to host a olympic, and alot of it depends on weather the people of Copenhagen and Denmark are interested. Which may be the reason they are waiting til after the witer olympics to go public and discus this; as they are hoping that a little olympic fever might rub of on the danes. May not be a bad idea.

Generaly though, he says the report is pretty thin and without any real conclusion, but a report that the minester could use to go to the national assciations and tell then to arrange more international games, if Copenhagen has to have a chance to host the olympics...

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OL-rapport udskudt igen
Af: Marco de los Reyes, marco@berlingske.dk

Rambølls OL-rapport bringer reelt ikke noget nyt for dagen, og nu er offentliggørelsen udskudt igen. Rapporten bliver formentlig først offentliggjort efter vinter-OL i Torino.

Er det en god idé, at København jagter værtskabet for De Olympiske Lege i 2020 eller 2024?
Det var ventet, at en del af svaret skulle være at finde i rapporten »OL til Danmark - potentialer og barrierer«, som managementfirmaet Rambøll står bag, og som i første omgang skulle være offentliggjort i starten af december.

Offentliggørelsen er siden først blevet udskudt til omkring 1. februar, og overfor Berlingske Tidende meddelte Kulturministeriet så i går, at den formentlig først bliver offentliggjort efter vinter-OL, der afvikles i Torino fra den den 10. til 26. februar.

Men ifølge Birger Kyhl, planchef i Team Danmark, vil der ikke være noget overraskende eller egentlig nyt i rapporten, som han allerede har set. Birger Kyhl fortæller også, at rapporten ikke kommer med konklusioner, som siger noget om, hvorvidt det er en god eller dårlig idé, at man forsøger at få OL til København.

Dele af rapporten er eksempelvis en gennemgang af, hvordan Danmark p.t. står, når det gælder sportsanlæg.

»Og her når rapporten stort set frem til det samme, som jeg selv gør,« siger Birger Kyhl, der snart sætter sidste punktum på en rapport, som udelukkende har til formål at kortlægge, hvordan situationen med hensyn til anlæg ser ud herhjemme. Alle anlæg skal her blandt andet have et bogstav, alt efter hvilken standard det har.

»Et A-anlæg vil sige et anlæg, der kan bruges til VM. Et B-anlæg er så et, der har nogle mangler. Men der er ikke ret mange anlæg, der er i stand til at afholde et VM,« fastslår Birger Kyhl.

Rambølls rapport indeholder desuden oplysninger om, hvordan situationen i Danmark ser ud, når det gælder infrastruktur, og hvad der i den henseende skal til, hvis København skal være OL-vært.

»Generelt ser det jo ikke så slemt ud. Teknisk, økonomisk og planlægningsmæssigt kan København godt arrangere OL. Det, som det så gælder om, er at få gang i folkelig rørelse,« siger Birger Kyhl, som påpeger, at det overordnet set først og fremmest handler om, hvorvidt befolkningen vil have et OL med alt, hvad det indebærer, til København eller ej.

Men det har netop altid været det store spørgsmål, og når der ikke er noget i rapporten, der ændrer på det, hvad kan den så reelt bruges til?

»Kulturministeren kan bruge rapporten politisk,« fastslår Birger Kyhl:

»Han kan for eksempelvis bruge den til at fortælle specialforbundene, at hvis København skal have en chance for at få OL, skal de sørge for at få værtskabet for nogle stor mesterskaber, så man kan se, at København magter store opgaver.«

Diverse specialforbund vil også få flere penge end nu, hvis man fra dansk side officielt beslutter sig for at jagte et OL-værtskab. Om det bliver tilfældet ventes afgjort, inden politikerne går på sommerferie.
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Also annother short article, saying that the sailingasscisiation want to host more international games, and are already the sports facility in denmark with the best facilities. But they a long way to go i tearms of upgrading, mostly in landfacilities for audience and media. They havet even thought about hosting the sailing Olympic, which is good, cos they are located in Århus, to far from copenhagen. He does mention that Køge bugt could be a great place to do it.

Sejlsport langt fra OL-værtskrav

Af: Marco de los Reyes, marco@berlingske.dk

Dansk Sejlunion kan tilbyde gode sportslige forhold, men i forhold til et OL mangler Danmark især landfaciliteter.

Selv om Dansk Sejlunion er et af de specialforbund, der arrangerer flest store mesterskaber herhjemme. Selv om unionen med elitechef Michael Staals ord allerede »har en strategi for at tiltrække store arrangementer«. Og selv om Michael Staal vurderer, at Danmark vil være i stand til at afholde stort set alle enkeltstående sejlsportskonkurrencer. Så mangler Danmark p.t. alligevel meget for at kunne afholde olympiske sejladser, hvilket fint illustrerer, hvor langt København er fra at kunne blive OL-vært en dag.
»I Dansk Sejlunion føler vi, at vi er meget langt fra at kunne det. Det er især landfaciliteter, vi mangler,« påpeger Michael Staal, der eksempelvis nævner faciliteter til medierne, som kræver uhyre meget plads ved et OL.

Michael Staal erklærer også, at man i unionen på intet tidspunkt har skænket OL-idéen en realistisk tanke. Derfor har man heller ikke drøftet, om Århus er for langt væk til at kunne afholde olympiske sejlsportskonkurrencer. Men for tiden er det måske det sted, der er bedst gearet til det. Blandt andet fordi Århus-klubberne i fællesskab skal være vært for ungdoms-VM i 2008 i diverse klasser.

»Men det kunne også foregå i Køge Bugt og andre steder, for sportsligt set vil Danmark være et godt sted at arrangere OL,« siger Michael Staal med hentydning til vind- og vandforhold rundt om ved kysterne.

Dansk Sejlunion præsenterede i øvrigt i går sine landsholdsplaner for 2006. Fordi Team Danmark for nylig har skåret i støtten til unionen, vil man i år satse endnu mere på gode resultater ved europa- og verdensmesterskaber end normalt i håb om at få tilført flere midler fra Team Danmark og sponsorer - op til OL i 2008.



www.sejlsport.dk


Læs mere om dansk sejlsport.

[cphdude]

I knew i didnt like her....Ritt bjeregaard, copenhagens new mayor, say no to olympics in copenhagen, as it is to expensive...Kai Hold, the danish olympic member says it is a mistake to rule out anything this early....

All i can say is thank good she will not decide....

Fell free to go to berlingske.dk and vote yes or no to copenhagens olympic dream....


Ritt ridser københavnsk OL-drøm


(Opdat. 10:15) København skal opgive OL og i stedet satse på mindre idrætsanlæg, mener Ritt Bjerregaard. Men det er præcis vejen mod drømmen, siger OL-tilhængere.


København skal ikke være værtsby for De Olympiske Lege (OL). Det mener Københavns nye overborgmester, Ritt Bjerregaard (S), som klart melder ud, at arrangementet er for dyrt for Danmarks hovedstad.- Jeg er ikke meget for det. Det er hundedyrt i forhold til, hvad man får for det. Jeg er ikke interesseret i, at København skal være værtsby, siger Ritt Bjerregaard til Ritzau. Hun vil hellere bruge flere penge på at forbedre de eksisterende idrætsfaciliteter i hovedstaden.

Men det fokus er for snævert, mener formand for Danmarks Olympiske Komité, Kaj Holm, der dog sagtens kan forene sine drømme om OL med Ritts udmeldinger:

- OL handler om meget andet end selve begivenheden. Hvis vi forbedrer vores københavnske anlæg, kan vi begynde at byde på mindre begivenheder, og det styrker vores troværdighed som arrangør på længere sigt, siger han og understreger, at København først skal aflevere et eventuelt bud på 2024-legene om ti år.

[Hviid]

i agree, thank god she doesnt make the decision...

hmm... it seems like most Danes don't want it in DK either :( ... so far, after 1250 votes, 37% say Yes and 63% say No.

pleeeeease everyone... go to www.berlingske.dk and vote YES!!

[FREKI]

What a b****! ;)

Mayor sets hurdle for city Olympic dream

By The Copenhagen Post - http://www.jp.dk/english_news/artikel:aid=3493672/

The lord mayor doesn't want the Olympics in Copenhagen. She would rather invest the funds in facilities for the people

Minister of Culture Brian Mikkelsen's dream of bringing the Olympics to Copenhagen in 2024 suffered a serious setback when the lord mayor, Ritt Bjerregaard, came out against the bid, reported national broadcaster DR on Friday.
Bjerregaard's decision not to back the plan would make it highly unlikely that the International Olympic Committee would select a Copenhagen bid, as it generally demands the full backing of national and local offiicals.

'I feel that Copenhagen has a much greater need for sports facilities that our residents can use, not the big prestige facilities that will be required for such a major event,' Bjerregaard said.

Kaj Holm, the chairman of the Danish Olympic Committee, said the lord mayor's point of view was too narrow.

'The Olympics are much more than the event itself,' Holm said. 'If we improve our facilities in Copenhagen, we can start by bidding on smaller events. That would improve our reputation as an organiser in the long term.'

A bid for the 2024 Olympics would need to be delivered in 10 years.

Carl Holst, the chairman of Team Danmark, agreed. He pointed out that renovating the city's sports facilities in order to support an Olympic bid would have spin-off benefits.

'Better facilities give more users,' Holst said. 'Moreover, a facelift would attract more major events to Copenhagen, that's good for the economy and tourism.'

[cphdude]

Well...These thing go up and down...The last time the did a studdy, it showed that almost 80 % of the people in Copenhagen was for it and a little less for the whole country...One studdy in a paper doesnt show much. A lot of people from outside cph votes, and many vote without thinking about it...They just imidietly think that we cant afford it and vote no...Also its winter and everybodt is against everyting....Stupid time to ask people anything...Lets wait till after the winter olympic i garanty it will be higher, and that why they are waiting to publish the report...

So, Ritt is not creazy about the idea...For now... If the government wants it she want have much to say, and if the people wants it, she will turn in a heartbeat, like a good little politician...We just need a little momentum...I for one am hoping it will happen during the winter-olympics where the IOC will announce the host city for the 2009 IOC sesopn and olympic conference...A new ioc president will be chocen and and the 2016 host city will be chosen at the meating in 2009....If we get that, and we are on the short list, then that will be a big boost...plus a few medals by some pretty girls and some strapping young men and then the report, and then we are back on track...

Dont kill this dreams just yet guys...

btw - did you read the other articles i posted above? What did you thnk?

[cphdude]

Offentliggjort 17. januar 2006 03:00

København byder på olympisk opgave

Af ASGER WESTH

Hovedstaden vil for alvor komme på idrættens verdenskort, hvis det lykkes at blive vært for den Internationale Olympiske Komites session og kongres om tre år.

Om få uger afgøres det, om København bliver vært for byens formentlig hidtil mest prestigefyldte kongres.

I konkurrence med Athen, Busan, Cairo, Lausanne, Mexico City, Riga, Taipei og Singapore har Københavns Kommune i samarbejde med Danmarks Idrætsforbund, Kulturministeriet og Idrætsfonden Danmark lagt billet ind på at få den Internationale Olympiske Komites (IOC) kongres og session til byen i 2009. En begivenhed, der ud over omkring 3.500 deltagere forventes at tiltrække et kæmpe opbud af mediefolk, repræsentanter fra internationale idrætsforbund og statsledere.

I alt 6.000-7.000 gæster vurderer direktør Lars Bernhard Jørgensen, turistorganisationen Wonderful Copenhagen.

»Uanset om København nogen sinde bliver vært for OL, er dette en meget interessant begivenhed. Kongressen og sessionen er en forretning i sig selv, der vil give vækst til byen, men frem for alt vil København komme på det sportslige verdenskort,« siger Lars Bernhard Jørgensen.


Afgørelse i februar
IOC afgør i forbindelse med vinter OL i Torino i februar, hvor kongressen skal holdes. Lars Bernhard Jørgensen mener, at det vil have en positiv afsmitning på Københavns muligheder for at få større idrætsbegivenheder til byen, hvis det lykkes at få værtsskabet for kongressen og sessionen, hvor IOC både skal vælge værtsbyen for OL i 2016 samt en ny præsident. Desuden skal 80 af de menige IOC-medlemmer ved samme lejlighed have deres mandater afprøvet. Opmærksomheden vil derfor være enorm.

Optimisme
Lars Bernhard Jørgensen ser optimistisk på Københavns chancer, da Athen har været vært for OL, Singapore var vært ved den seneste IOC-kongres og session, og IOC ikke har placeret nogle større arrangementer på vores breddegrader i de senere år.
Han mener, at København bl.a. kan sælge sig på åbenhed og demokrati og på den måde være med til at sætte en ny dagsorden i IOC, som tidligere har haft et blakket ry med beskyldninger om korruption. Formelt er det Den Danske Olympiske Komite, der står som ansøger, og formand for Danmarks Idræts Forbund og IOC-medlem, Kai Holm, mener ikke, at det er åbenhed og demokrati, som København skal sælges på.

»Det vil være helt forkert at gøre, da IOC føler, at der allerede er sket en fornyelse. Det, som man skal sælge sig på, er følelserne for de olympiske lege og den olympiske ånd. Vi skal ikke slå os op som de sidste hellige,« siger Kai Holm, der i praksis er manden, der skal gøre det store lobbyarbejde for København.

Han vil ikke spå om chancerne for at få værtsskabet.

»Der er så mange ting, der spiller ind, og man kan ikke købe sig til en eneste stemme. Der er kun en ting, som tæller, og det er hårdt arbejde lige til det sidste, og det er os, der er indenfor hvor beslutninger bliver taget, der skal gøre det,« siger han.

Lykkes det at få IOC-kongressen og sessionen til København, vurderes begivenheden at give en samlet dansk meromsætning på 70 mio. kr.

jp.dk........

[mic of Orion]

Is Copenhagen ready to host the Olympics? Your opinion


not a chance, in corporate word that is running Olympic games, Copenhagen has no chance to host Olympic games, Paris, Madrid, New York, Cape Town, Rio de Janeiro are next places to host summer Olympic gamers, so earliest Copenhagen can hope for such games is in 2036, but I'm doubtful this will happen, If Denmark had nice mountains and ski slopes they could be organise Winter Games or f they came together with Sweden for hosting winter Olympics yeah they have great chance for that, say all indoor events are held in Copenhagen and Denmark and all outdoors in Sweden I'm sure this can be done, on its own Denmark has little or no chance at hosting Summer Olympic games... Even combining with Sweden for Summer games would be difficult, but doable, and had much greater chance of success...

[cphdude]

Paris Yes..New York - If they actually want it, then yeah......Madrid - Maybe....Cape town and Rio - not likely at the moment....

[mic of Orion]

My Predictions :)

Cape Town - 2016
Paris - 2020
Madrid - 2024
New York - 2028
Rio de Janeiro - 2032,

;)

[cphdude]

I think we also need to mention dubai, who IMO is closer and more likely than both Rio and Cape Town...Also both Paris and New York said they are unsure if they will aply again...Annother US city might be more likely.... And it will most deffenitly not be a europea city after a european city like 2020 and 2024...

But i agree the whole thing is a real long shot, and there are more likely candidates...But thats no reason to let that stop us now...

My guess is

2016 Dubai / USA
2020 USA / India new Dehli?
2024 Europe (whoever it might be)
2028 Cape Town (maybe) /Africa...
2032 maybe china again or Asia...

[FREKI]

I think we also need to mention dubai, who IMO is closer and more likely than both Rio and Cape Town...Also both Paris and New York said they are unsure if they will aply again...Annother US city might be more likely.... And it will most deffenitly not be a europea city after a european city like 2020 and 2024...

But i agree the whole thing is a real long shot, and there are more likely candidates...But thats no reason to let that stop us now...

Dubai/UAE needs to change a lot before they can have it imo... with their views on women and alcohol :) And free press/opinion... and so on..

By itself UAE is a beacon in the middle east, but compared to the free nations around the world it's still just emergin from the dark ages...

Plus, the heat in Dubai in the summer would make it all a little dangerous for many of the sports, unless they build it all right by the sea..

[cphdude]

Dubai/UAE needs to change a lot before they can have it imo... with their views on women and alcohol :) And free press/opinion... and so on..

By itself UAE is a beacon in the middle east, but compared to the free nations around the world it's still just emergin from the dark ages...

Plus, the heat in Dubai in the summer would make it all a little dangerous for many of the sports, unless they build it all right by the sea..
I agree and in reallity i dont think they are ready. On the other hand, i think we can agree that the tearm "democracy" and China sounds a little off... And yet, 2008 in baijing...Now, dubai is different, mostly because it is a muslem place, and i doubt that the IOC would choce that...But i had to put them somewhere, and i believe that they are closer then Cape Town and Rio in tearms of facilities so, i put them there...But we could also say...

2016 USA - most likely San Francisco or LA. Forget New York. They dont really want it, and dont need it...

2020 - India. If China is a succes i 2008 then India could do it. They have the money to do it and their big cities are pretty well developed. It could be a PR nightmare with the clash of extremely rich and extremely pour, and there might also be some issues with terror and the relationship with Pakistan, and as you mentioned, the heat.

2024 - Europe - Paris (Perhaps, but again i doubt if they really truely want it) Madrid (Have applied several times and a good bid might do it for them.)
Copenagen (we are all hoping, but there is a long way to go before we can even begin to call it a possibility) Others...Perhaps a country i Easter Europe...Polend? Germany Perhaps Turkey?

2028 - Turkey? perpaps back to another chinese city or somewhere else in Asia...Rio?

2032 Cape Town /USA?

[staff]

^^
You can add Chicago to the 2016 bid...

I don't think, and I definately don't hope, that Dubai will get it anytime soon.

[cphdude]

^^
You can add Chicago to the 2016 bid...

I don't think, and I definately don't hope, that Dubai will get it anytime soon.
Chicargo would be an etcilent bid, and choise...Better, imo, then both LA and SF...Also pretty much earthquake free and a city who is mad for sports....

[cphdude]

Some good news. Maybe. The normaly well informed olympic news website Around the Rings, reports that out of the 9 cities, who are hoping to host the 2009 IOC sesion and Olympic Congres, 3 cities have emerged as clear frontrunners.

The cities are Mexico City, Busan, and Copenhagen. All of the other cities pose to great security and accomodatation concers.

Mexico City seams to be a frontrunner, but had some security problems, and suprisingly droped out yesterday.

So, again acording to Around the Ring, it is now down to Busan or Copenhagen, who both have delivered virtually flawless bids...

Dont need to tell people how great and importent this could be if we got it...

fingers crossed...

[Hviid]

/\ great news!

http://www.fishjunkies.com/forum/images/smiles/fingerscrossed.gif

[mlm]

....But in 25 sports, we can actually host international games, so its not as bad as it seams...Maybe not THAT related, but still a bit. Today Herning was awarded the WC in Wrestling in 2009. The event will take place in Messecenter Herning in september 2009. It is expected that 1000 wrestlers and leaders from around 100 countries will participate. The "arena" can hold some 4000 spectators. There was a total of 9 bids to host the 2009 Westling WC.

Link to article in Danish (http://www.herning.dk/Internet/Presse.nsf/Web?OpenFrameSet&Frame=main&Src=_s5t4mst35e9n6at1fa1p6asrjckn6ssr65so2uchi6di3adpn6cqj2d1ic5ijedb364p3adph61gj0c1jcpi30d317t7n0pbe8hnm6tbdcln789i1elq6uhjic5mmap00_)

[cphdude]

Maybe not THAT related, but still a bit. Today Herning was awarded the WC in Wrestling in 2009. The event will take place in Messecenter Herning in september 2009. It is expected that 1000 wrestlers and leaders from around 100 countries will participate. The "arena" can hold some 4000 spectators. There was a total of 9 bids to host the 2009 Westling WC.

Link to article in Danish (http://www.herning.dk/Internet/Presse.nsf/Web?OpenFrameSet&Frame=main&Src=_s5t4mst35e9n6at1fa1p6asrjckn6ssr65so2uchi6di3adpn6cqj2d1ic5ijedb364p3adph61gj0c1jcpi30d317t7n0pbe8hnm6tbdcln789i1elq6uhjic5mmap00_)
I think everything that shows that we can host big events is importent. And it is especially importent, in thise times, that we are still awarded thise thing.Tv2 had something the other day, about what the crises would mean for Danish sports, but i didnt see it...Did you...Anyways, good news for herning, eventhough they may not get part of the olympic, the organisers
might...

[mlm]

Nope, didn't see it either. I also doubt Herning would get any part of a possible Copenhagen olympics, should it ever become a reality. But of course such experieces are good to have, and would probably also be of use when planning the olympics.

For Herning it is great news atleast. :)

[cphdude]

Nope, didn't see it either. I also doubt Herning would get any part of a possible Copenhagen olympics, should it ever become a reality. But of course such experieces are good to have, and would probably also be of use when planning the olympics.

For Herning it is great news atleast. :)
yeah, that what i ment, sorry it was a bit klumsy written. No, i think herning is to far away, as yu say, to be used for olympics, but the people who plan it gains an experience that will be needed if we ever have to do something like that, and as you say, its a great thing to be able to say that we have done it.

Now lets just get the IOC conference 2009, hopefully we will know by next weekend...And that will be importent too...

[Chilenofuturista]

Heck, if you Danes have the money, why not?! :cheers:

[SnowMan]

They will need to host the Olympics, because they will lose billions dollars because of this boycott....

[cphdude]

IN your dreams...

[cphdude]

Maybe not THAT related, but still a bit. Today Herning was awarded the WC in Wrestling in 2009. The event will take place in Messecenter Herning in september 2009. It is expected that 1000 wrestlers and leaders from around 100 countries will participate. The "arena" can hold some 4000 spectators. There was a total of 9 bids to host the 2009 Westling WC.

Also the Danish Handball Asociation, wants to host a euro or a worldcup in handball, but at the moment does not have the capacity. If the new multiarena gets build, then they will and they are going to aply then.

Article in Danish from DR sporten (http://www.dr.dk/Sporten/EM+2006/2006/02/03/085221.htm)

[SnowMan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cphdude
IN your dreams...



What a worthless and ignorant answer...Even kids are not answering like that..


SOME EXAMPLES:


The boycott negatively affected the Danish economy from the very first day.
Boycott costing Arla £1m per day
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4676614.stm

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&hn=29239



Read newpapers, listen radio and watch TV..

and you will see truth...
__________________

[SnowMan]

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[SnowMan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cphdude
IN your dreams...


other news:
Think about it who is losing...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4687116.stm

[cphdude]

Yes, it is a long way to billions...And still only a few percent of our total sales, and even less of the profit. And we will get it back elsewhere.

[FREKI]

What a worthless and ignorant answer...Even kids are not answering like that.. Oh please.... what should he do then? Burn flags and embassies?

The boycott negatively affected the Danish economy from the very first day. Not really, it hurts shareholders from all around the world... 1000s of jobs in the Middle East and reduses tax income in many countries, mostly the boycotting ones...

So they only hurt themself... I couldn't care less about a Danish/Swedish dairy company - I don't even buy their milk in Denmark...

Read newpapers, listen radio and watch TV..

and you will see truth...

Here's the truth:

February roars in like a lion for Denmark's stock market, as the leading stock index breaks the 400 barrier for the first time ever

Tough days for foreign markets had no effect on Denmark's leading OMXC20 stock index on Thursday. The index ended over the 400 mark for the first time ever as blue chips such as Novo Nordisk, Mærsk, and Danske Bank all registered strong gains.

Thursday's record adds to a string of highs stretching back to mid-year 2005. The record pace had cooled off slightly after the new year, but, yesterday, the market was back on track, gaining 0.76 percent to end at 400.55.

Novo Nordisk and its spin off Novozymes were key contributors to the market's record-breaking effort.

Novozymes, one of the world's largest producers of enzymes, contributed a 0.7 percent increase to the gain. The former Novo Nordisk subsidiary's stock was pushed up by news that US president George Bush had announced in his annual state of the union address that the country would begin using more alternative energy sources in the coming years.

Novozymes' enzymes are essential in the production of ethanol, which is seen as an alternative to petrol. Despite the long-term perspective of a change over to alternative fuels, investors reacted positively, pushing the price of Novozymes' shares up to 364.

Good news on the pharmaceutical front also meant increases for Novo Nordisk. After news that Novo product Levemir would be ready for a US rollout in the coming months, finance house SG Cowan replied with a decision to keep the company on its 'buy' list. The good news meant a two percent gain for Novo Nordisk, which ended the day at 353.50.
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/93753.html


And here's some more if you get bored...

http://www.cphpost.dk/get/93637.html
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/93750.html
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/93620.html

[cphdude]

Ny tro på OL til København

Af Ebbe Fischer - berlingske.dk

Politikerne tror nu for alvor på, at København kan blive vært for et fremtidigt OL, efter at byen har fået tildelt IOCs Kongres i 2009. Til sommer fremlægger regeringen en handlingsplan for større idrætsarrangementer.

København som OL vært i år 2024. Den idé har været diskuteret længe, og drømmen fik nyt liv, da København i onsdags sikrede sig IOCs store kongres i 2009. Kulturminister Brian Mikkelsen (K) kalder det »en meget stor ting«, når tusindvis af ledende politikere indtager byen om tre år i forbindelse med kongressen.
»Der er ingen tvivl om, at IOC-Kongressen vil gøre det nemmere at tiltrække store aktiviteter til København. I 2009 vil topledere fra hele verden se, at vi kan håndtere et stort arrangement, og verdenspressen vil sætte fokus på byen,« siger Brian Mikkelsen.

På kongressen skal det nemlig besluttes, hvilken by der bliver vært for OL i 2016, og den beslutning vil påkalde sig en enorm interesse. Med henblik på de Olympiske Lege i 2024 fremlægger kulturministeriet den 6. marts en længe ventet rapport fra Rambøll Management, der analyserer Københavns potentiale som olympisk by. Undersøgelsen vil danne grundlag for regeringens videre arbejde.

»Vi har endnu ikke besluttet os til, om vi støtter op om OL, men til sommer fremlægger regeringen en handlingsplan, og min ambition er, at vi får flere store idrætsbegivenheder til landet,« fastslår Brian Mikkelsen.

Danmarks repræsentant i IOC, Kai Holm, mener dog ikke, det er realistisk at få OL til København i 2024.

»Det er aldrig sket før, at en by får det i første forsøg. Men der kan jo ikke ske noget ved at forsøge - og så kan man måske få det i 2028,« siger Kai Holm, og peger på andre positive effekter af IOCs Kongres.

»Den giver mulighed for at få adgang til internationale organisationer, da man skal planlægge frem til begivenheden i 2009. Og i den forbindelse kan vi forhåbentlig få flere danskere ind i forbundene. Det trænger vi til, da vi i dag er svagt repræsenteret internationalt,« siger han.

Centralt placerede danskere vil kunne arbejde for at trække store idrætsbegivenheder til landet - med de Olympiske Lege som den største udfordring. Det er dog meget dyrt at sætte et realistisk OL-bud i søen, men der er tilsyneladende politisk vilje til at investere store midler i idrætten. Københavns kulturborgmester Martin Geertsen (V) siger:

»I forhold til andre storbyer giver vi ikke meget til idræts- og kulturbegivenheder, og det vil jeg gerne være med til at ændre, fordi de brander København og sætter os på verdenskortet.«

Kulturborgmesteren forklarer, at optimismen har bredt sig voldsomt, efter København fik tildelt IOC-Kongressen i onsdags. Men hvad siger de borgerlige politikere til den socialdemokratiske overborgmester Ritt Bjerregaards udmeldinger, der har afvist et københavnsk OL?

»Når det evt. kommer til at finde sted, så er hun i hvert fald ikke overborgmester,« griner Brian Mikkelsen, mens Martin Geertsen i går konfererede med Ritt Bjerregaard om sagen.

»Vi blev enige om at tage en fornuftig snak på et senere tidspunkt,« siger Martin Geertsen.

Overborgmesteren havde i går ikke tid til at give en kommentar.

[cphdude]

So, Ritt is not creazy about the idea...For now... If the government wants it she want have much to say, and if the people wants it, she will turn in a heartbeat, like a good little politician...We just need a little momentum...I for one am hoping it will happen during the winter-olympics where the IOC will announce the host city for the 2009 IOC sesion and olympic conference....

If we get that then that will be a big boost...

Dont kill this dreams just yet guys...


I told you guys she would fold...But she is doing it the smart way...

Ritt Bjerregaard er åben for OL-satsning

Af: Flemming Steen Pedersen, step@berlingske.dk

En ansøgning om at gøre København til OL-vært i 2024 kan være med til at forbedre og udvikle idrætsfaciliteter i hovedstaden. Men staten må finansiere de store internationale anlæg, siger overborgmesteren efter OL-møde med kulturministeren.

Københavns Kommune vil efter alt at dømme være parat til at støtte planerne om at forsøge at få De olympiske Lege i 2024 til at foregå i den danske hovedstad.
Men forudsætningen er, at regeringen og staten i betydelig grad vil hjælpe til med at finansiere og bygge de mange dyre kæmpeidrætsanlæg af høj international standard, som en OL-satsning vil kræve.

Det er budskabet fra Københavns overborgmester Ritt Bjerregaard (S) efter et møde i går med kulturminister Brian Mikkelsen (K) om de københavnske OL-drømme.

»Jeg er selvfølgelig interesseret i at få udviklet faciliteter i byen, og jeg vil også kigge nøjere på, hvilke lokaliteter der kunne være interessante. Men regeringen må også gå ind og vise, hvor alvorligt man mener det i forhold til OL-planerne,« siger Ritt Bjerregaard.

Signalet fra overborgmesteren er således, at kommunen skal bruge rigeligt med penge på at renovere og forbedre de idrætsanlæg, som bruges af københavnerne. Anlæg, som vil skulle bruges til konkurrencer på internationalt niveau, vil derfor være en opgave for staten. Og her nævner Ritt Bjerregaard konkret opførelsen af et internationalt svømmeanlæg samt et atletikstadion.

Har tidligere afvist ideen

Det er ikke mindst værtskabet for Den Internationale Olympiske Komites kongres i 2009, som København sikrede sig i starten af denne måned, der har pustet nyt liv i overvejelserne om også at gå efter værtskabet for selve OL. Kongressen, hvor værtsbyen for OL i 2016 udpeges, vil tiltrække tusindvis af idrætstopledere og mediefolk og ventes at give København indtægter på op imod 100 mio. kr.

I begyndelsen af marts offentliggør Kulturministeriet en rapport, der analyserer Københavns potentiale som OL-by, og som bl.a. skal danne grundlag for regeringens stillingtagen til projektet. Såvel kulturministeren som idrættens organisationer har udtalt sig yderst positivt om muligheden for at kaste sig ud i en OL-ansøgning.

Ritt Bjerregaard har tidligere nærmest afvist ideen med den begrundelse, at det vil være »hundedyrt i forhold til, hvad man får for det«.

»Men på den anden side må jeg også sige, at hvis det kan være med til at hæve standarden i København, ville jeg være et skarn, hvis jeg ikke er med på det,« siger hun.

I Danmarks Idræts-Forbund er kommunikationschef Morten Mølholm Hansen tilfreds med Ritt Bjerregaards udmeldinger.

»Det er godt, hvis kommunen er med på den. Det er en fordel, når mange vil kæmpe for at gøre mere for København på idrætsområdet,« siger han.

[_keen_]

yes, yes and for the hundrieth time YES. :D all suport to the best city in Europe :okay:

[cphdude]

yes, yes and for the hundrieth time YES. :D all suport to the best city in Europe :okay:
Oh, thank you...that was nice....Unless you were just being ironic, but i hope not... :)

[cphdude]

3. marts 2006 kl. 23:25 berlingske.dk via /ritzau/


Idrætspolitiker: OL-projekt kan lade sig gøre

Venstres idrætspolitiske ordfører, Leif Mikkelsen, lækkede fredag resultatet af en længe ventet OL-rapport. Konklusionen er, at København er OL-egnet.

Få dage før et længe ventet pressemøde om vurderingen af Københavns muligheder som OL-by, fortalte Venstres idrætspolitiske ordfører, Leif Mikkelsen, om hovedkonklusionen.

- Konklusionen er, at projektet kan lade sig gøre. Det er en tung sag at gennemføre, men samtidig en fantastisk chance for København og Danmark, siger Leif Mikkelsen til dagbladet Politiken.

Rapporten "OL til Danmark - potentiale og barrierer bliver præsenteret mandag på et pressemøde. Politiken har undersøgt stemningen i det idrætspolitiske miljø, og han den viser, at Venstre, Konservative og Dansk Folkeparti er meget positive, mens SF, Socialdemokraterne og Det Radikale Venstre er velvillige men dog stiller spørgsmålstegn ved især de økonomiske konsekvenser ved et OL på dansk jord.

/ritzau/

[onetwothree]

:banana: Yay, good news!!

EDIT:

Danskerne støtter OL-planer

Flere end hver anden dansker er for, at København satser på at få OL i 2024, viser en ny meningsmåling. Men erfaring viser, at støtten skal være endnu større.


55 procent af danskerne støtter den ambitiøse idé om at få OL til København i 2024. Det viser en meningsmåling, som Catinét har foretaget for Ritzau, før regeringen mandag offentliggør den længe ventede rapport om fordele og ulemper ved de danske OL-planer.

Men opbakningen skal endnu højere op, for at Danmark skal gøre sig de mindste forhåbninger.
- Når vi i IOC giver et OL værtskab, så skal der også være en væsentlig befolkningsopbakning bag arrangementet, ellers skal man ikke regne med at få det, siger det danske medlem af Den Internationale Olympiske Komité (IOC), Kai Holm, der som tommelfingerregel vurderer, at to tredjedele af befolkningen skal støtte OL-planerne.

Han betegner det dog samtidig som opmuntrende, at 55 procent så tidligt i forløbet bakker op om OL-planerne.

På Christiansborg er der bred støtte til at undersøge OL-mulighederne både hos Venstre, SF, socialdemokraterne og de konservative.

/ritzau/

Basically it says that 55% of the Danish population are positive about the Olympics in Copenhagen in 2024. Kai Holm, Danish IOC member, says it's good that so many are backing it up this early, but he also says that as rule of thumb we need at least 2 thirds of the population to make it happen.

[cphdude]

I agree that it needs to be higher, but i also remember other surveys that have shown upworths of 80% in favour. But as the article says, 55% before we have even started to talk about is pretty good. Especially since a lot of peoples initial responce is no...So year, i have high hopes, eventhough there is apparently not that much new in the report...we'll see tomorow i guess...

[cphdude]

Danmark gearet til OL

Danmark kan sagtens løfte et OL, lyder konklusionen i ny rapport. Men tidligst om tre år vil politikerne beslutte, om København skal søge værtskabet.

København er rustet til at søge De Olympiske Lege i 2020, og prisen vil blive omkring 25 milliarder kroner, hvis OL-karavanen kommer til København. Det er konklusionen i en ny rapport fra Rambøll, som blev fremlagt mandag.
Prisen kan holdes nede ved at bygge så få nye idrætsfaciliteter som muligt, opdatere de eksisterende og i stedet etablere midlertidige bygninger. For eksempel foreslår rapporten, at Det Olympiske Stadion, der skal huse 60.000 tilskuere bygges på en måde, så det let kan pilles ned eller gøres permanent.

Trods rapportens konklusion er OL-ansøgningen ikke rykket nærmere. Den beslutning træffes tidligst om tre år fastslog kulturminister Brian Mikkelsen.

- Nu skal vi nærlæse rapporten og tallene, men jeg synes, at det er rigtigt, at man har nogle drømme og visioner for idrættens verden, sagde Brian Mikkelsen.

Ministeren er blandt andet skeptisk overfor økonomien.

/ritzau

OL i Danmark for 25 mia.

Kulturminister Brian Mikkelsen (K) er parat med en storstilet plan, som skal gøre Danmark til et OL-land. Forberedelserne skønnes at løbe op i 25 mia. kr.

Det fremgår af en analyse, som konsulentfirmaet Rambøll har lavet for
ministeren, skriver dagbladet Børsen mandag.
Kulturministeren ønsker ikke at udtale sig, men henviser til, at han offentliggør rapporten ved en pressekonference i dag.
Omkostningerne ved at få OL til Danmark er flere stedet vurderet til at udgøre omkring 50 mia. kr., men ministeren håber, at det kan gøres for det halve.

Det sker blandt andet ved at udelade investeringer i infrastruktur ved at henvise til, at den slags investeringer alligevel skal foretages.

JP
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Well, so the report is finaly here, and it also look at the possibility of hosting the eurocup 2016, maybe in co-opperation with sweden, and therefor already building a new stadium by then. This would later serve as possible host of a eurocup in athletics and a 2020 or 2024 olympics...Interesting reading...

The entire report (http://www.kum.dk/graphics/kum/downloads/Publikationer/OL%20til%20Danmark%20rapport%202006/OL%20til%20Danmark%20Rapport.pdf) It is 178 pagers...

The short version (http://www.kum.dk/graphics/kum/downloads/Publikationer/OL%20til%20Danmark%20rapport%202006/OL%20til%20Danmark%20Resume.pdf) around 25 pages.

Background on the report (http://www.kum.dk/graphics/kum/downloads/Publikationer/OL%20til%20Danmark%20rapport%202006/OL%20til%20Danmark%20Bilag.pdf)

[mlm]

Oh yes, this will surely convince the decision makers in IOC.

I must say I'm more than doubtfull about this "cheap version" olympics. To me it looks like they're only trying half.

Either do it in full or don't do it at all. Otherwise the chance of getting is pretty much non excisting IMO.

[cphdude]

I agree that this cheap version is a bit risky, but lets see what happens when we start looking at the numbers. Right now it is importent just to get the idea plantet and start the debate.

I think the report looks good, and if we do agree to spend a bit more money, it might work. Building a temporary stadium doesn make much sence to me, but they also say in the report, that it can be build to last, and that the few national games would be enough in order to run it financially. So maybe some investor can come in, someone who wants to spend a bid more, getting something that lasts.

In fact i would like to se a lot more of the OPP (Public - Private partnership) I think that will be a great way to make sure that we also build something propper. I think that the reports unestimates the importens of architecture in the facileties.

I would also rather see the tennes Vourt at KB be renovated and expanded, and they kept in some form, rather then having it be temporary....But as the report clearly says, this is just a suggestion, something to start the debate, and everything can change...

Having said that, the looks a lot like the madrid bid, in tearms of money....

[_tictac_]

I stand by what I previously said:

Why on Earth would we even want to think about spending 50 billion DKK on the Olympics!? 50 billion DKK! :runaway:
That's downright ridiculous. Instead, may I suggest that we go about improving our welfare system.

As for getting the Olympics to Copenhagen/Denmark, I vote...
NO!

[cphdude]

I stand by what I previously said:

Why on Earth would we even want to think about spending 50 billion DKK on the Olympics!? 50 billion DKK! :runaway:
That's downright ridiculous. Instead, may I suggest that we go about improving our welfare system.

As for getting the Olympics to Copenhagen/Denmark, I vote...
NO!
May i suggest that you actually read the report insted of just bitching about it. If you do, you will see that it is actually a very god idea; financialy and otherwise.

And as others have said, it is not 50 billion, but around 25, wich also includes 4 semigoals including the eurocup in football and athletics.

The other 25 billion are to be used on trafic and infrastructure, and are all very likely to be build anyways, regardless of the olympics.

I understand your wich to fix some of the other problem we have, but you cant really comepare those 2 things.

Drømmen om den olympiske ild
OL i København er en vild idé og kan give utallige gode effekter - men ikke for enhver pris

Det er de færreste beslutninger, der er skabt på baggrund af drømme og visioner, der som udgangspunkt virker helt vilde og urealistiske.
Tanken om at få de Olympiske Lege til København i 2020 eller 2024 er måske en af den type visioner og beslutninger. Med de drømmeagtige forestillinger om den olympiske ild igennem de københavnske gader - og ikke mindst med de dertil hørende kolossale krav om idrætsanlæg, hoteller, infrastruktur og andre praktiske foranstaltninger.

Og så alligevel er det ikke så drømmeagtigt længere: For nu er visionen blevet så konkret og realistisk, at en ny rapport opgør den samlede pris til 25 milliarder kroner og samtidig forudser store effekter for såvel dansk idræt som for København som kraftcenter - økonomisk, kulturelt og historisk.

Rapportens analyser er afgørende, når politikerne i Folketinget, det nye regionsråd og Københavns Kommune skal træffe den endelige beslutning om at gå ind i den langvarige - og meget dyre - kamp for at få OL-værtskabet. Ikke mindst rapportens økonomiske vurdering af prisen til 25 milliarder kroner - kun halvdelen af de hidtidige antagelser.


Penge alene må dog heller ikke være begrundelsen for at gå efter OL-værtskabet. At afholde OL bliver formentlig aldrig en god forretning, opgjort i kroner og øre. Til gengæld bør beslutningen ses i større sammenhænge - og i den nuværende proces med at modernisere København. Investeringerne i OL-projektet kunne med andre ord være en tiltrængt investering i Danmarks hovedstad - og dermed i projekter, der rækker langt længere end få ugers sportslege i 2020 eller 2024:

OL-værtskabet kunne være tidsmæssig ramme for den endelige udbygning af Metro-systemet, så det kan benyttes af publikum såvel som de mange tusinde idrætsudøvere.

OL-værtskabet kunne være målet for en tiltrængt modernisering og udbygning af de københavnske idrætsfaciliteter, der i dag er miserable og mangelfulde. De nye anlæg skal kunne bruges af københavnerne i årtier efter de Olympiske Lege.

OL-værtskabet kunne give nye mål for at skabe endnu bedre hotel- og konferencefaciliteter i København med henblik på andre internationale topmøder, konferencer og messer.

Og endelig kunne et OL-værtskab give fokus og gevinst for dansk eliteidræt, turisme, kultur og sågar stolthed og selvtillid i alle afskygninger.

Med andre ord er der behov for at tænke et OL-værtskab ind i andre politiske tiltag og visioner, så der skabes tilstrækkeligt med synergier og samarbejdsmuligheder - ikke mindst om finansieringen.

Politikerne skal tage en ansvarsfuld beslutning og ikke hovedkulds kaste 25 milliarder kroner efter projektet. På den anden side bør de heller ikke lade sig blænde af, at 25 milliarder kroner på kort sigt kan løse mange andre politiske udfordringer.

Drømme og visioner kræver langsigtede beslutninger. Og det er OL-værtskabet i 2020 eller 2024.

berlingske.dk

[KristofferM]

I haven't entered this thread before a hundred posters had their say. My own opinion is simple: Go ahead! Copenhagen has never hosted the Olympic Games before, and I think it's about time that the city did host those games!

With regards,
Kristoffer Mogensen

[cphdude]

We have mantioned this before, but now a contract is signed and it seams sure that Copenhagen will be the host of the 2009 Outgames, also known as the gay olympics. Around 15000 athleets are expected anda couple of hundred thousind audience members...

[ZuluKingOfTheDwarfPeople]

Maybe when people stop burning down Danish Embassies...

[cphdude]

Maybe when people stop burning down Danish Embassies...
So, a month ago?

Anyways, more news today. A development group called Brainstones is suggesting building 60.000 new apartments on Kalvebod Fælled called Magretheholm. If they are given permission to build in the area, they will in return pay for the construction of an olympic city, also to be located in the area.

We imagen that the money we make on Magretheholm together with private money/shares (folkeaktier) wil be spend building an Olympic village says Christian Correll from Brainstones.

The group has hired one of the most popular architects at the moment in Copenhagen, Bjakke Ingels from the now debonked PLOT architects. He will present the plans for the village sometime before summer.

The area is today primarely nature area, andhome to several rear birds. It is therefor still very uncertain, if the group will get the permission.

This is both good and bad i guess, as the village is both and expence and an income in the Rambøll Report. Still, it is more possitive then negative.

http://images.bm4.metropol.dk//211/211788/211788_original.jpg

20. marts 2006 kl. 03:30

Tilbud til hovedstaden: OL-by med 60.000 boliger på Amager

Af: Charlotte Welin, cr@berlingske.dk

Developerfirmaet Brainstones vil kvit og frit opføre 60.000 boliger på den fredede Kalvebod Fælled. Den nye bydel skal fungere som olympiadeby, hvis København bliver vært for OL. Et frækt men visionært forslag, kalder Københavns Teknik- og Miljøborgmester projektet.

Hvis København bliver vært for de Olympiske Lege i 2020 skal byen have en OL-by, som vi kan være bekendt, og som kan bringe hovedstaden på det arkitektoniske landkort sammen med tidligere OL-byer som Rom og Barcelona. Samtidig kan københavnerne kvit og frit, og uden at det skal koste en krone få en helt ny spændende bydel på Vestamager med 60.000 nye boliger, skoler, grønne parker, erhverv og metro.
Det lyder måske som det rene olympiske tankespind, men planerne er absolut realistiske og kan føres ud i livet, mener de to mænd som står bag visionerne.

Det er direktør Christian Correll fra ejendomsfirma Correll Ejendomme, som sammen med arkitekt og tidligere afdelingsleder i Københavns Kommune Poul Henrik Andersen har dannet developerfirmaet Brainstones, der skal stå for opførelsen af den olympiske by med alt hvad dertil hører af boliger til deltagere og forskellige sportsanlæg.

De to developere har allerede engageret arkitekt Bjarke Ingels fra den tidligere tegnestue Plot til at lave et udkast til en ny OL-by, og hans forslag præsenteres inden sommerferien.

På fredede arealer

»Vi tilbyder, at betale for opførelsen af en OL-by på Vestamager, hvis vi samtidig får lov til at opføre vores Margrethestad. En gammel drøm om at bygge 60.000 boliger på Vestamager langs Kalvebod Strand.

Jeg forestiller mig, at de penge, vi tjener på at opføre de 60.000 nye boliger sammen med udstedelse af folkeaktier skal betale for OL-byen,« siger Christian Correll.

Der er blot det problem, erkender de to developere, at der er tale om fredet jord, som udgør et grønt, rekreativt område for hovedstadens indbyggere og rummer indtil flere sjældne dyr og fugle.

»Vi er godt klar over, at det bliver svært at ophæve fredningen. Kalvebod Fælled blev inddæmmet i midten af 1900-tallet. Der er med andre ord tale om kunstig natur, og vi mener, at vores idé er så god, at den skal prøves,« siger Poul Henrik Andersen.

Konsulentfirmaet Rambølls rapport om de Olympiske Lege, som udkom tidligere på måneden, lægger op til, at de olympiske aktiviteter skal spredes ud over byen, og deltagerne køres frem og tilbage i busser.

Christian Correll mener, at rapportens svaghed er, at der er tale om en decentral struktur, der spreder de olympiske faciliteter over byen.

»Der er tale om et fantasiløst oplæg. København har fortjent en sammehængende, arkitektonisk OL-by, som ligger centralt og kan måle sig international. Den skal være et bevist på det ypperste, som danske arkitekter formår,« siger han.

Bondam: Et modigt forslag

I Københavns Kommune kalder teknik- og miljøborgmester Klaus Bondam (R) det forfriskende, at private blander sig i debatten om byens udvikling og et eventuelt OL-værtskab.

»Det er et modigt forslag og også lidt frækt, men vi har brug for, at der er nogen, som spiller visionært og stort ud, så vi kan få en debat om København som olympiadeby, og om hvordan vi skal få bygge de boliger, København har brug for,« siger Klaus Bondam.

Han har selv i valgkampen været talsmand for en ekspansiv byudvikling, der giver plads til 50.000 boliger, men understeger samtidig, at forslaget fra Brainstones om at bygge boliger på Kalvebod Fælled ikke er uden problemer.

»Området på Kalvebod Fælled er fredet, og et grønt, rekreativt område for københavnerne. Det vil kræve en meget lang og omfattende offentlig debat, hvis man skal ophæve fredningen,« siger Klaus Bondam.

www.correll.dk

Læs mere om projektet Margrethestaden.

[Hviid]

wow ... sounds great! I hope they will get approved, sort of... I don't necesserily agree with where they wanna build, but i agree with what, how, and why they want to.. So.. yeah, i guess it is both good and bad / positive and negative...

[cphdude]

Major Sporting Events Could Boost Copenhagen’s 2020 Olympic Bid

Posted 12:14 pm ET (GamesBids.com)

In its bid for the 2020 Summer Olympic Games Copenhagen politicians are continuing their effort to attract major sporting events to the city and is looking to host the UEFA Cup final. It hosted the football match in 2000.

The city recently applied to the European football association to hold the final match of the UEFA Cup in 2009, which would be the third major sporting event the city would host that year. Copenhagen recently won its bid to host the International Olympic Committee (IOC) Congress in 2009.

UEFA representatives will visit Copenhagen later this spring to evaluate the city and will make its final decision in the fall.

[mlm]

Maybe not THAT related, but still a bit. Today Herning was awarded the WC in Wrestling in 2009. The event will take place in Messecenter Herning in september 2009. It is expected that 1000 wrestlers and leaders from around 100 countries will participate. The "arena" can hold some 4000 spectators. There was a total of 9 bids to host the 2009 Westling WC.

Link to article in Danish (http://www.herning.dk/Internet/Presse.nsf/Web?OpenFrameSet&Frame=main&Src=_s5t4mst35e9n6at1fa1p6asrjckn6ssr65so2uchi6di3adpn6cqj2d1ic5ijedb364p3adph61gj0c1jcpi30d317t7n0pbe8hnm6tbdcln789i1elq6uhjic5mmap00_)Once again, maybe not that relateted, but today Herning was also awarded the 2008 Badminton EC (European Championships). It will also be held in Messecenter Herning, where a new "Wimbledon'like" setup will be used, where people can walk around between the badminton courts, which all will have their own stands (seatings that is). Last time Denmark hosted a badminton EC was in 1996, and that was also in Herning.

[EDK_DK]

Last time Denmark hosted a badminton EC was in 1996, and that was also in Herning.

And I was there watching it - When Peter Rasmussen was at his best...

[cphdude]

^^Very cool...Can you tell us a little bit more about it, and that wimbeldon like system...

Though why are all these thing in Jylland...

[mlm]

I don't really know much about this Wimbledon'like system yet. The news came today after the lcoal paper (Herning Folkeblad) was printed, so there's nothing about it in todays paper. Dansk Badminton Forbund has a little article about it here (http://www.badminton.dk/default.asp?pageid=3152), but not that much information yet. Maybe I'll know more after reading tomorrows paper.

"Why are all these things in Jylland": Well, maybe because "we" have applied to get it, and have good facilities. Herning are also in the run of getting the Youth Olympics in 2011, which will be decided by the end of this year, if I remember correctly.

[cphdude]

^^yeah, i read about the youth olympic. However the whole jyllands thing also has something to do with many of the organisers are from jylland, often because they have more delegates and tht is the reason mayny tournaments are held in Jylland. I think they need to consider having more tournaments in Copenhagen. That is needed if we are ever to get the olympics, something that you would thing they are also interested in...But its the same old rivelry between jylland and Copenhagen....Stupid, but true....

[mlm]

I don't buy that. I'm sure Herning has gotten both of these (Wrestling WC and Badminton EC) because Herning had the initiative to get 'em, and not because there's some old dude from Jutland sitting in the DBF (Dansk Badminton Forbund) office in Copenhagen. Just like Herning as a city is very active in trying to get the Youth Olympics. As you may also know, the people behind Messecenter Herning tried for a long time to get the start of Tour De France to Herning, but that was finally rejected last year (Call 'em crazy, but atleast they're trying).

From your statements, it sounds like you want everyone outside Copenhagen to sit back, and wait for Copenhagen to make everything happen.

What do you think are better for the chances of Copenhagen getting the Olympics:

1. Herning hosting these 2 (maybe 3) events, as well as other Danish cities/town hosting other similar "rather large" events (incl Copenhagen of course).

2. Denmark not hosting any of these kind of event at all, expect the few ones Copenhagen will host.

I sure know what I think....

[cphdude]

I don't buy that. I'm sure Herning has gotten both of these (Wrestling WC and Badminton EC) because Herning had the initiative to get 'em, and not because there's some old dude from Jutland sitting in the DBF (Dansk Badminton Forbund) office in Copenhagen. Just like Herning as a city is very active in trying to get the Youth Olympics. As you may also know, the people behind Messecenter Herning tried for a long time to get the start of Tour De France to Herning, but that was finally rejected last year (Call 'em crazy, but atleast they're trying).

From your statements, it sounds like you want everyone outside Copenhagen to sit back, and wait for Copenhagen to make everything happen.

What do you think are better for the chances of Copenhagen getting the Olympics:

1. Herning hosting these 2 (maybe 3) events, as well as other Danish cities/town hosting other similar "rather large" events (incl Copenhagen of course).

2. Denmark not hosting any of these kind of event at all, expect the few ones Copenhagen will host.

I sure know what I think....
No, the problem is not a old dude, but that almost every national organisation, be it a sports club, a union or a political party, there are more delegates from jylland. Its even the case in the parlement.

No i dont think its a bad idea that Herning and other cities are hosting these things, and i admire very much the work being done there. But it is still only held there for a reason. And there are many more tournaments in Jylland.

I dont think it will hurt the olympic chances, but if everything is held outside Copenhagen, i dont belive it will further the chances either.... I believe there is a need to focus more on Copenhagen. Whos knows how great they could do it, if they got the chance. But they often dont, because of things i mentioned earlier, and because it is easier for a smaller city to get local support. But they should also ask themselfs, for the sake of the sports and the audience, where is the best place? Maybe there are a bigger audience in copenhagen, and maybe the athletes would rather have the tournement there...

[mlm]

Go cry at your cityhall and blame your local politicians instead. :cry: ;)

It's not "our" fault, that so many sports facilities in Copenhagen are in bad condition. Of course other cities should keep on trying to get events like these, and make themself more attractive that way. It's not like all Danish cities outside the capital area, are made to please Copenhagen.

Again, these events are not held at all, if cities don't apply. I don't buy that "Copenhagen never got the chance". Of course they do, if they have the right facilities, and IF they are interested. But I strongly doubt Copenhagen are interested in hosting everything. It just don't seem realistc to me.

Personally I think it would benefit a Copenhagen olympic bid the most, if Copenhagen concentrated on the large scale events (UEFA Cup final, CL Final, Gay Olympics, ECs and WCs in the biggest sports etc.), and then let other Danish cities get as many smaller scale event as possible to the country (which probably otherwise won't come at all). Since Denmark is so small, events like these badminton or westling championchips, will be seen as "held in Denmark" by IOC, and not as "held in some small town, far far away from Copenhagen". Well, atleast that's my theory...


EDIT: Just to avoid any misunderstandings; I'm NOT saying that these 2 events in Herning have much to say in the big picture. Of course I mean a whole bunch of these kind of events in many cities in the years to come.

[mlm]

Actually I think it all comes down to how we see things differently:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/denmark.jpg

[cphdude]

Again, these events are not held at all, if cities don't apply. I don't buy that "Copenhagen never got the chance". Of course they do, if they have the right facilities, and IF they are interested. But I strongly doubt Copenhagen are interested in hosting everything. It just don't seem realistc to me.



well, think of a situation like this. Both Herning and Copenhagen wants to host an event. It it the up to the association to dicide who get to host it. In the board and among the delegates the are more people from Jylland, bacause they follow the normal formel. And because most of the people there still thinks the biggest fight in life is that between Jylland and Copenhagen. they go out of their way not to chose Copenhagen. Thats the way it very often is, even in the Parlament who follows the same model. Thats the reason why large areas of Jylland is plasted with moterways that nobody ever uses where as Copenhagen is just now waking op from 30 years of serious neglect in trafic investment. Because among many there is still a deep hate towards Copenhagen, and a lack of understanding of the need for a strong capital...

I know some of the facilities in Copenhagen are in bad shape, but some are fine, and many are no worse then others in Jylland. I know that is not your fault.


Go cry at your cityhall and blame your local politicians instead. :cry: ;)


So I would love to go and complain to our politicians. Unfortunetly, they dont really have a say in the matter.


Personally I think it would benefit a Copenhagen olympic bid the most, if Copenhagen concentrated on the large scale events (UEFA Cup final, CL Final, Gay Olympics, ECs and WCs in the biggest sports etc.), and then let other Danish cities get as many smaller scale event as possible to the country (which probably otherwise won't come at all). Since Denmark is so small, events like these badminton or westling championchips, will be seen as "held in Denmark" by IOC, and not as "held in some small town, far far away from Copenhagen". Well, atleast that's my theory...



I agree with you on that, but eventhough my remarks re. Herning was mostly ment as a joke, I do feel that the crtisism i have made are vallid...

But you are right that Copenhagen needs to focus on the big events. We will most likely get the UEFA cup in 2009 in Parken, and with a new multiarena and one on østerbro it is likely that we in the future will apply for mens handball WC and most likely Icehockey.

So i guess it is fair that other cities gets to host some of the smaller things. Eventhough I still feel some on the sports world needs to change their attitude towards Copenhagen, if we are ever to have a chance towards the games...

[mlm]

We'll probably never agree on this, and I don't find your arguments very valid, but you're entitled to have that opinion.

One small comment though: I heard that there were 3 other cities interested in hosting the badminton EC in Denmark, Aalborg, Esbjerg and Odense if I remember correctly. Copenhagen was not among them.

But lets not turn this into a Cph vs. Jutland thread.

[cphdude]

We'll probably never agree on this, and I don't find your arguments very valid, but you're entitled to have that opinion.

One small comment though: I heard that there were 3 other cities interested in hosting the badminton EC in Denmark, Aalborg, Esbjerg and Odense if I remember correctly. Copenhagen was not among them.

But lets not turn this into a Cph vs. Jutland thread.
Ok, you're right. But I do think we agree on most things. The rest is just a matter of what you believe in, and partly me being pissed of, of the way Copenhagen is sometimes treated...no biggie.... :)

[cphdude]

Dont mean to continue the discussion....It seam that Dansk Bordtennis Union are looking to become host for several international tournements, including ProTour Final and World Cup. There is a plan to aply for World Championship in 2010 or 2011. The final deadline is in September, but DBTU is waiting to find out if Copenhagen will get its multiarena, before aplying. If now, they wont apply for if, and will insted try to apply for the other 2 tournaments.

21. april 2006 kl. 03:30

Danmark lun på nye store turneringer

Af: Marco de los Reyes, marco@berlingske.dk

Dansk BordTennis Union overvejer at byde på både ProTour-finalen og World Cup'en.

Selv om Danmark inden for de senere år har afviklet flere ProTour-turneringer, et EM og en Europa Top 12, er Dansk BordTennis Union, DBTU, langt fra mæt.
Det har længe været kendt, at man har tænkt sig at byde på VM i 2010/2011, og nu er der så også tanker om at jagte ProTour-finalen og World Cup'en. Begge er årlige turneringer med deltagelse af 16 af de bedste spillere i verden.

»Vi overvejer i øjeblikket, om vi skal søge en ProTour-finale eller World Cup'en,« siger DBTU-formand Aksel Beckmann til Berlingske Tidende.

Danmarks klart største navn, Michael Maze, håber meget på, at man vil søge en af de turneringer eller dem begge:

»Det er helt sikkert en god idé. Det gælder om at få så meget som muligt til Danmark.«

Det er især, hvis Danmark ikke ender med at søge om et VM, at DBTU vil søge en af de to nævnte turneringer. En officiel VM-ansøgning skal være afsendt til det internationale forbund senest i september, og inden da skal DBTU ifølge Aksel Beckmann med sikkerhed vide, om Danmark snart får en multihal - eventuelt i form af et ombygget Bellacenter.

Under næste uges hold-VM i Bremen i Tyskland bliver VM i 2009 placeret, og det får formentlig også stor betydning for Danmarks VM-chancer, hvor det ender.

»Linz i Østrig og Yokohama i Japan er ansøgerne, og hvis Linz får det, tror jeg ikke, at VM også kommer til Europa året efter,« siger Aksel Beckmann.

VM i 2010 er et hold-VM, mens VM i 2011 er et individuelt VM, og søger Danmark om VM i 2010 uden at få det, vil man givetvis søge om det VM i 2011. På nuværende tidspunkt er konkurrenterne til VM 2010 Brasilien og Qatar.

Desuden er det sikkert, at Danmark vil forsøge at få en ny række af ProTour-turneringer til landet fra og med 2007. Det var under navnet Danish Open senest tilfældet i perioden 2000-2004. ProTour-finalen markerer hvert år afslutningen på ProTouren, der er bordtennissportens Grand Prix-serie.

[cphdude]

Danmerk has been chosen to host the Euro Cup in womens handball in 2010, in co-opperation with Norway. Half the matches will be played in Norway, and half in Denmark, with the finals in Denmark. This is the same way they did it in 99' for the world cup, with the final matches in Norway. The potential host cities are Århus, Herning, Aalborg and Brøndby. Århus, Aalborg and Brøndby all heve arenas for around 5500 where as Herning this week were alowed to use one of their halls to a 10.000 seat capacity arena. It will however all come down to the co-opperation with the city, and the financial backing they can bring, rather then the arenas. And there is also the Dark Horse, in the possible multiarena in Copenhagen, that we should here more about this month.

Also Ballerup Superarena will play host to a leg of the world cup in 2007 in indoor cycling. One of 4 held every year, where cyclists can gather points for the total world cup.

[Chilenofuturista]

I support Copenhagen!! Go Copenhagen and go Denmark!!!

I wonder what kind of infrastructure projects will they carry out once the city has been chosen to host the games?

[cphdude]

^^Well, there are several projects planed or suggested. The metro cityring, which will happen and be ready in 2017 and a possible expantion of that. Also a harbourtunnel to streatch under the city....those are the biggest and i guess they might happen, weather we will ever get the games or not...

[mlm]

No big infrastructure projects needs to be build to host a handball Euro Cup. Though it would be nice to get, it's not like the Football Euro Cup or something. Denmark has hosted the womens Euro Cup before.

There has also been some talk about them trying to get the Mens Handball EC to Herning, in that new hal M which could house some 10.000 spectattors as writen. Not sure when anything will be decided...

[cphdude]

^^No, I ment for the games.

Yeah at the moment it looks like they are just witing to see if copenhagen get the arena.

[mlm]

/\ Sorry , I was trying to answer Chilenofuturista's question about the infrastructure projects. As you write, the ones that are being build now or planned will come wheater we get a handball EC or not. :)

[cphdude]

/\ Sorry , I was trying to answer Chilenofuturista's question about the infrastructure projects. As you write, the ones that are being build now or planned will come wheater we get a handball EC or not. :)
But didnt he mean what would be build if we get the olympics? He wrote games? I dont know, it doesnt really matter... :) :cheers:

[Chilenofuturista]

But didnt he mean what would be build if we get the olympics? He wrote games? I dont know, it doesnt really matter... :) :cheers:

Sorry if I was lazy :( I meant games as in Olympic games.

Skål by the way! :cheers:

[mlm]

/\ Oh okay, I guess I misunderstood you then. Yes the olympics would probably mean more investments in infrastructure. Cheers:cheers:

[Chilenofuturista]

/\ Oh okay, I guess I misunderstood you then. Yes the olympics would probably mean more investments in infrastructure. Cheers:cheers:

Hope so. :yes: Cheers! :cheers:

[Chilenofuturista]

^^Well, there are several projects planed or suggested. The metro cityring, which will happen and be ready in 2017 and a possible expantion of that. Also a harbourtunnel to streatch under the city....those are the biggest and i guess they might happen, weather we will ever get the games or not...

:runaway: So many urban projects...

Whow, you're really paving the way for other cities in the region. Well done Copenhagen, now THAT'S progress. I hope they carry out them anyway and in spite of not being elected.

[Novak]

No I really don't think that Copenhagen could be the host of Summer Olympics some day.. it's just way too expensive and massive event to the city and Denmark.

And I also honestly think that the last Summer Olympics in Nordic countries were the 1952 Olympics in Helsinki.. But what comes to Winter Olympics, I'm not sure - there are a some kind of chance that Norway, Sweden or Finland could some day host it.

[cphdude]

A new studdy show 6 out of 10 copenhageners want the city to work for an olympic hosting...Apparently it is better then the studdy Stockholm did for their possible 2004 bid...

Folkelig opbakning til OL i København

Af MORTEN VESTERGAARD

Kai Holm, Danmarks medlem af Den Olympiske Komité, er positivt overrasket over den brede opbakning.

6 ud af 10 københavnere mener, at Købehavns Kommune bør arbejde for at få OL til den danske hovedstad inden for de kommende 20 år.
Det fremgår af en meningsmåling, som Rambøll Management har foretaget for Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten. I alt 1.005 repræsentativt udvalgte borgere i København har svaret på spørgsmålet, og kun 29 pct. svarer, at de er imod planerne, mens 13 pct. ikke har taget stilling.

Det danske medlem af Den Olympiske Komite, Kai Holm, er overrasket over den brede tilslutning til projektet fra københavnerne.

»Jeg havde forventet opbakning fra højst halvdelen. Dette er en stor tilslutning så tidligt i forløbet, og det tyder på, at der tilsyneladende er et solidt folkeligt grundlag for et OL i Danmark.«

Han forklarer, at den opbakning, som kommer til udtryk i Morgenavisen Jyllands-Postens undersøgelse, er markant større end opbakningen til Stockholms planer om at afholde OL i 2004. Ifølge Kai Holm stiger opbakningen til et OL-kandidatur typisk, jo mere konkrete planerne bliver. Eksempelvis var opbakningen bag Athens kandidatur i begyndelsen også ca. 60 pct., men toppede senere med hele 85 pct. Samtidig svarer halvdelen, at det i deres øjne ikke er realistisk at få OL til den danske hovedstad.


Opgave for hele landet
Kulturminister Brian Mikkelsen (K) præsenterede tidligere på måneden resultaterne af en undersøgelse af Danmarks muligheder for at afholde De Olympiske Lege, som gav et bud på, hvordan OL-drømmen kunne realiseres, så København kunne have en ansøgning klar til OL i 2020. Ifølge rapporten kræver det investeringer på 24,5 mio. kr., men også at festen i sidste ende vil give et overskud på 500 mio. kr.

Overborgmester i København, Ritt Bjerregaard (S), har været skeptisk over for tanken, fordi opgaven i hendes øjne bliver »hundedyr«.

»Der er ikke noget at sige til, at københavnerne synes, det ville være fedt med et OL i byen. Jeg synes også, det ville være en stor begivenhed, men mit problem er, at jeg ikke mener, at København kan løfte opgaven alene. Vi har brug for meget klare meldinger fra regeringen, om at staten vil betale en del af regningen, før det kan blive aktuelt,« siger Ritt Bjerregaard.

»Vi må tænke på Københavns mange nedslidte idrætsanlæg, som vi bliver nødt til at bruge penge på for at tilgodese bredden«.


Den vigtigste faktor
Martin Geertsen, Venstres leder på Københavns Rådhus og kultur- og fritidsborgmester i København:

»Den folkelige opbakning er den allervigtigste faktor og helt nødvendig, og når 6 ud af 10 københavnere støtter ideen, mener jeg bestemt, det giver mening at arbejde videre med planerne,« mener kulturborgmesteren.

Også Lars Bernhard Jørgensen, direktør for Wonderful Copenhagen, er positivt overrasket over undersøgelsens resultater.

»Erfaringen har vist, at danskerne ofte er skeptiske over for store projekter, og derfor er det glædeligt, at der ser ud til at være en positiv indstilling allerede nu. For at det giver mening at begynde en politisk proces, der skal føre OL til København, er det afgørende, at projektet bliver til en folkesag. Desuden vil København have langt større chancer for at vinde en eventuel konkurrence om OL-værtskabet, hvis omverdenen kan se, at befolkningen står bag projektet«.

morten.vestergaard@jp.dk

[cphdude]

More Copenhagen Residents Want Olympic Games
Posted 8:25 am ET (GamesBids.com)

According to a new poll, six out of 10 Copenhagen residents want the city to host the Olympic Games in the near future, reports the Copenhagen Post.

Kai Holm, Denmark’s representative on the International Olympic Committee (IOC) said, “I’d expected backing from 50 per cent at most. This is a big show of support so early in the running, and it suggests that there is apparently a solid popular support for brining the Olympics to Denmark”.

According to the newspaper Holm said the current support in Copenhagen is considerably larger than what Stockholm had prior to its bid for the 2004 Games. He said the support bodes well, as local and national backing for obtaining the Games traditionally rises as plans for a bid become more concrete.

The Ministry of Culture presented a report in early October which outlined the possibility of Copenhagen hosting the Olympic Games.

But despite the new poll Ritt Bjerregaard, the Lord Mayor of Copenhagen, has expressed scepticism about the plans reports the newspaper. She believes expenses will snowball.

She said, “naturally it means something that Copenhagen think it would be cool for the city to have the Olympic Games. But my problem is that I don’t think the city can carry it out alone. We need a very clear message from the government that it will pay a share of the bill”.

[cphdude]

A few olympic related newsstories from this week. Firstly from the former head of the Beijing and Athens olympic campaign says that Copenhagen as olympic is a good idea and can happen. So I guess he is looking for a job...:lol: Secondly, all parties in the parliement are now behind the idea of copenhagen as olympic host in 2020 or 2024, and finaly a reminder from the current IOC member reminding everyone that talk is cheap and that so far the government wont even help finance a multiarena...


OL-ekspert tror på København

07-11-06: 19:11 | af: Lars Jørgen Andersen

Manden der stod bag både Athens og Bei*jings kampagner for at blive OL-værts*byer - og det lykkedes - tror på Køben*havn, som kommende vært for legene.

Jon Tibbs var i dag i den danske hoved*stad, hvor han gav et fornemt indblik i, hvad man skal kunne og gøre, for at komme i betragtning.

"Det er på tide at begynde at planlæg*ge. Og det begynder sandsynligvis med, at man tager ud og lytter til dem, det har betydning for, nemlig medlemmerne af den olympiske familie," sagde Tibbs til TV 2 Sporten.

Jon Tibbs hæfter sig specielt ved, at København og Danmark i 2009 skal være vært for IOCs kongres.

"Det er en meget afgørende og prestigefyldt aftale, som viser, at den olympiske bevægelse har stor tiltro til Danmark, og at Danmark har potentiale til at være vært for legene," siger Tibbs.
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Politikere varme på OL-værtskab

07-11-06: 20:54 | af: Palle Poulsen og Lars Jørgen Andersen

Der er bred politisk enighed om, at Danmark og dermed København skal arbej*de videre for at få værtskabet for OL i 2020 eller 2024.

Det viser en rundspørge, TV 2 Sporten har foretaget til de politiske partier på Christiansborg efter Jon Tibbs foredrag i København i dag.

Jacob Axel Nielsen fra de konservative siger, at et OL-værtskab ikke alene vil give Danmark og København et kæmpe løft, men også betyde nye idrætsanlæg og infrastruktur i hovedstaden.

Ole Sohn, kulturordfører SF: "Det er en idé vi har støttet længe. Nu er det sådan, at der nok ikke er mange medlem*mer af Folketinget, der stadigvæk er politikere den dag et OL kommer til Danmark. Så der skal nedsættes et udvalg, der er repræsenteret af alle partierne. Det skal fremtidssikre projektet."

Ellen Trane Nørby, Venstre: "OL til Danmark bakker vi klart op. Men det kræver, at Danmark viser, at vi kan lave OG organisere store sportsbegivenheder. Så dem skal vi tiltrække flere af."

Troels Ravn, Soc.: "OL-tanken ligger os meget på sinde. Men samtidig er det vigtigt, at hvis projektet skal gennemføres, at de forskellige sportsanlæg bliver brugbare for Københavns borgere. Osse efter et overstået OL."

Louise Frevert, DF: "Det støtter vi. Helt og aldeles."

Elsebeth Gerner Nielsen, Radikale: "Et OL til Danmark lyder som en rigtig god idé. Se bare på den opmærksomhed København fik på MTV Music Awards. Men samtidig bliver vi nødt til at se på flere analyser, om det rent økonomisk kan svare sig."

Per Clausen, Enhedslisten: "Jeg vil absolut ikke afvise et OL til Danmark. Men det skal ikke bare tonses igennem. Der skal tages højde for de mange nedslidte sportsanlæg i København. Det byggeri skal ikke rives ned, som man har set i andre OL-værstbyer. Det skal være vedvarende byggerier."
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Kai Holm: OL kræver multihal

08-11-06: 18:05 | af: Palle Poulsen

I går viste en rundspørge i Folketin*get, at samtlige partier støtter et OL til Danmark. Det vækker begejstring hos formand for Danmarks Idræts For*bund, Kai Holm, der også er medlem af den Olympiske komité (IOC). Men samti*dig kræver han handling bag ordene.

"Nu er tiden for festtaler forbi. Nu skal der ske noget."

"I regeringsgrundlaget er der en mål*sætning om, at man gerne vil tiltrække store idrætsbegivenheder. Det kræver, at Danmark får en multihal," siger Kai Holm til TV 2 Sporten.

Hvis Danmark skal komme i betragtning som en seriøs OL-kandidat, skal København huse flere store sportsbegivenheder op til en OL-ansøgning. Her er en multiarena nødvendig, hvis det krav skal opfyldes.

"Taler man om et OL til Danmark i 2024, så kan det lyde som om, at der er lang tid til. Der er 17 år, men værtsskabet bliver tildelt syv år inden. Man har altså i virkeligheden kun ti år til at arbejde det hele igennem. Det kræver at København kan fremvise en lang liste af sportsbegivenheder. Derfor er det nu eller aldrig."

I regeringsgrundlaget, som blev skrevet i februar 2005, står der: "Regeringen vil fremlægge en handlingsplan for at trække flere store idrætsbegivenheder til Danmark."

I regeringen ser man dog ikke en multiarena som det afgørende punkt for om København kan blive OL-værtsby.

"Jeg er ikke enig med Kai Holm i, at det eneste, det handler om, nu er at få truffet en endelig beslutning om multiarenaen. Men det er klart, at Danmark har behov for en multiarena, hvis vi skal tiltrække store sportsbegivenheder, og det er regeringen også meget opmærksom på," siger Venstres kulturordfører, Ellen Trane Nørby.

Kulturminister Brian Mikkelsen, der selv har været med til at sætte debatten om et OL-værtskab i gang, ovejer netop nu, omd er skal nedsættes et specielt OL-udvalg.

"Det vil jeg afgøre inden for de kommende måneder. Lige nu arbejder jeg på en større handlingsplan om, hvordan vi får større idrætsbegivenheder til Danmark, som synliggør dansk idræt," siger Brian Mikkelsen, der selv har været med til at sætte diskussionen i gang.

[Chilenofuturista]

sure, what the heck, why not?!

Go Danes. :okay:

[cphdude]

^^thats why I am saying....

[staff]

06-12-28 KL. 10:44

Dröm om Öresunds-OS

Sydsvenskans ledarsida har inget emot drömmarna om ett sommar-OS i Öresundsregionen 2024.

"Att drömma är nödvändigt. Utan visioner ingen utveckling." Det skriver Sydsvenskan i en kommentar till analysen "Öresundsregionen 2020 – fyra framtidsscenarier". Där konstateras att det går bra för Öresundsregionen och att högkonjunktur råder - men samtidigt att det kunde varit bättre, betydligt bättre.

Tidningen skriver: "Visionen om regionen är gammal, länge upphängd på den hägrande Bron. Öresundsförbindelsen fyller sju år 2007. Ett nytt, konkret mål behövs. Varför inte i form av en OS-satsning? Invändningarna är lättfunna. Sommar-OS delas inte mellan två städer. Kostnaderna är enorma – OS i Peking 2008 har en budget på 17 miljarder kronor för själva spelen, plus 200 miljarder för investeringar i infrastruktur. Och så vidare. Listan över hinder kan göras lång.
Men ett projekt som skall sporra till stordåd får gärna ligga vid det ouppnåeligas gräns. Att sikta mot olympiska höjder är inte fel. Varken för idrottsmän eller för städer." (NFÖ)

[cphdude]

^^Cool. But as they say, "Sommar-OS delas inte mellan två städer"....

But it would still be a great asset for eather side, if one or the other did something like that...

[muster]

I dont believe that Copenhagen or any nordic city will host the summer olympics. This is for the big cities in the world. But Oslo or Tromsø in Norway have a good chance to host the winter olympics in 2022 or 2026!

[DenverDane]

^^Cool. But as they say, "Sommar-OS delas inte mellan två städer"....

But it would still be a great asset for eather side, if one or the other did something like that...

But that is not entirely correct. Many cities have had help from other cities; just think of Atlanta in 1996 where the soccer competition was spread out all over the country and Savannah hosted all the sailing competitions as there is no sea near Atlanta, but yeah, there will probably always be one main city hosting it, but it could easily get help from others.

[staff]

muster,
I think Copenhagen has a very good chance of hosting the Olympics in 2024. The city doesn't necissarily has to be big (well, not too small either of course) to be able to host it - as long as it can pull it off it's not problem.
Copenhagen could definitely do a much better job hosting the Olympics than, say, Mumbai or Bogota - even though those cities are far bigger than Copenhagen.
Instead of size, Copenhagen has a different thing to offer - enormous competence in numerous areas.

Sydney and Athens aren't much bigger than the Copenhagen area (incl. Malmö) either.

cphdude and DD,
The Olympics can't be shared between two cities, but it can indeed be hosted by a main city (Copenhagen in this case, of course) and various sports could be held in other places far away from the city. Malmö would be perfect for horseback riding, football, sailing and of course a marathon across the bridge (wet dream)! :)
The main problem is that the cities are in two different countries. I'm sure they will almost be regarded as one city by the locals in 2024, but I don't know what the IOC's opinion would be.

Anyway, Copenhagen could easily pull it off on its own in 2024. But the competition would of course be very tough!

[cphdude]

cphdude and DD,
The Olympics can't be shared between two cities, but it can indeed be hosted by a main city (Copenhagen in this case, of course) and various sports could be held in other places far away from the city. Malmö would be perfect for horseback riding, football, sailing and of course a marathon across the bridge (wet dream)! :)
The main problem is that the cities are in two different countries. I'm sure they will almost be regarded as one city by the locals in 2024, but I don't know what the IOC's opinion would be.

Anyway, Copenhagen could easily pull it off on its own in 2024. But the competition would of course be very tough!

I agree that copenhagen could do it. Weather they will ever get to is a different matter.

Yes, I guess you are right about atlanta, and Copenhagen would also need the whole country for the football tournement. And a few things, like a football match might be in malmø, if the IOC will alow it.

I dont think either Marathon or riding or sailing wil be in malmø for various reasons. First of all there is no need as all facilities needed for these 3 things are cheaply build, and Danes are usually strong in these sports, well in riding and sailing anyways, and we would diffenetly want to have those in copenhagen. Horseback will be at Christiansborg and there has been suggested places for sailing as well.

But if Malmø would, (and IOC permidts) some of the smaller indoor sports might be there, that is if Malmø is even interested in the smaller sports....

[Insane alex]

No, i don't really think CPH can do it. It would cost to much for Denmark and it's too small and pretty much off. I would say that Paris, Geneva, Düsseldorf are great host cities because that they are central and bigger than CPH.

[ØlandDK]

I would say that Paris, Geneva, Düsseldorf are great host cities because that they are central and bigger than CPH.
hmm Geneva bigger than Copenhagen? on what planet?

[Insane alex]

hmm Geneva bigger than Copenhagen? on what planet?

It is'nt bigger, but it's really central and internationaly known (probably more then CPH).

Cheers!

[cphdude]

It is'nt bigger, but it's really central and internationaly known (probably more then CPH).

Cheers!

Paris sure. But not Geneva or Düsseldorf...

And we all know what paris' real problem is...To much arrogance and paris dont really want it....

[Insane alex]

Paris sure. But not Geneva or Düsseldorf...

And we all know what paris' real problem is...To much arrogance and paris dont really want it....

Don't you think that's a harsh generalization.. to much arrogance? Düsseldorf is a city in the most populated area in Europe, but you could probably also say that Cologne is better for the olympics, coz it's bigger and more famous than Düsseldorf.

Geneva though i think is almost perfect for the olympics because, as metioned it's central and famous. Plus they have the money and the olympics headquaters is situated in Laussane about 30 min drive from Geneva. Geneva is a really beautifull city with the big lac leman and mountains surounding the lake and the city of Geneva. Geneva could be an amazing place to have summer oympics or winter olympics. The city and it's surroundings have almost everything to offer, that is proven with a recent survey saying that Gevana has the seciond highest quality of living.

[ØlandDK]

Geneva though i think is almost perfect for the olympics because, as metioned it's central and famous. Plus they have the money and the olympics headquaters is situated in Laussane about 30 min drive from Geneva. Geneva is a really beautifull city with the big lac leman and mountains surounding the lake and the city of Geneva. Geneva could be an amazing place to have summer oympics or winter olympics. The city and it's surroundings have almost everything to offer, that is proven with a recent survey saying that Gevana has the seciond highest quality of living.

Yeah let's have the olympics in Geneva because the olympics headquater is situated 30 km from Geneva...

[eat_what_i_poo]

If Athena can do it, Copenhagen can do it better.

[staff]

Yeah, I mean - sure Düsseldorf, Cologne and Geneva (which, by the way, is smaller than Malmö - "Copenhagen's newest suburb") could pull it off, but that doesn't mean that Copenhagen couldn't.
After all, it's one of the most sustainable cities with one of the highest standards of living in the world, along with Melbourne, Vancouver, Zürich etc.

Of course Copenhagen can do it. The "too small"-argument isn't good enough.

[Jackthehammer]

I would also like to know what you base that Geneva is more "known" then Copenhagen?
IMO Copenhagen is along Stockholm the most famous cities in northern Europe and who are both capitals in their respective country; plus they both have a population of almost 2 million per metro-area. Geneva is just a city in Switzerland, it's not even the capital and it has a population of less then 185 000 (2004).
How can Geneva be better suited then Copenhagen to hold the Olympic Games?

"Don't you think that's a harsh generalization.. to much arrogance?"

That is a reason good as any, and it also happens to be true. Plus IMO Paris is too big.
I think Copenhagen is perfect when it comes to size and climate to be able to hold a summer olympics.

[ØlandDK]

Plus IMO Paris is too big.


Paris to big? What about the olympics 1984 in LA, 2008 in Beijing, 2012 in London?...don't get you point:)

[cphdude]

^^perhaps just that copenhagen is more compact.

[Insane alex]

I would also like to know what you base that Geneva is more "known" then Copenhagen?
IMO Copenhagen is along Stockholm the most famous cities in northern Europe and who are both capitals in their respective country; plus they both have a population of almost 2 million per metro-area. Geneva is just a city in Switzerland, it's not even the capital and it has a population of less then 185 000 (2004).
How can Geneva be better suited then Copenhagen to hold the Olympic Games?

Well, I base my facts on ''Geneva is widely regarded as a global city, mainly due to the presence of numerous international organizations, including the European headquarters of the United Nations. A 2006 survey found Geneva to have the second highest quality of living in the world (again, after Zürich).'' Source: Wikipedia. And if you really read my post you would have read why i think Geneva is better suited to hold the olympics than Copenhagen.

As metioned Geneva is really central and is widely regarded as a global city, by the fact that numerous international organizations are situated there. Copenhagen is pretty off and it isn't as known as Geneva but that's barely an argument. though i must say that the airport in Copenhagen is much better and bigger, they probably wouldn't have to spend so much money on expanding for the olympic games as Geneva would have to.

[cphdude]

Well, I base my facts on ''Geneva is widely regarded as a global city, mainly due to the presence of numerous international organizations, including the European headquarters of the United Nations. A 2006 survey found Geneva to have the second highest quality of living in the world (again, after Zürich).'' Source: Wikipedia. And if you really read my post you would have read why i think Geneva is better suited to hold the olympics than Copenhagen.

As metioned Geneva is really central and is widely regarded as a global city, by the fact that numerous international organizations are situated there. Copenhagen is pretty off and it isn't as known as Geneva but that's barely an argument. though i must say that the airport in Copenhagen is much better and bigger, they probably wouldn't have to spend so much money on expanding for the olympic games as Geneva would have to.

Well, that fact that you and someone on wikipedia thinks that Geneva is a global city, dosnt make it so. Neither does it make it a more known city, except to some international organisations. I doubt you will find many who knows more about Geneva, then Copenhagen. And Copenhagen also has its share of international organistaion. We are the 3rd largest UN city for instence, something that is likely to grow.

The population of Geneva is 184.000...If you think that is enough for an olympic game, you are as your name suggests insane. Even the metro area, which estends into other countries, is only 700.000. The same number for copenhagen is at least 2.5 million.

So, yeah, Geneva may be well known to a lot of business people, but in no way a global city or an olympic candidate, even if IOC is located close to it.

[Insane alex]

OMG! First of all, don't feel offended. Second on off, population in a host city isn't the a big factor of hosting a olympics game! It's recognation of the host city internationaly and the capacity of accomidies or however you spell that word :p and capacity in total of a host city and that's easy to fix buy money take Bejing for an example.

Also it's a advantage if the host city is in a populated area, now i am not talking about Geneva's population nor Switzerlands population, i am talking about the fact that Geneva is central with most of Western europe's population only having a 4-5 hour drive! Germany, France, Italy and so on. Also the fact that Switzerland is amongst the Worlds most neutral countries is great because the whole point with The olympics is that any country can compete peacefully with out the host country interfering in a particular country's business.

Cheers!

[staff]

First you say that population isn't a big factor, and then in your next statement you say that it's important if the host city is in a populated area.

What about Sydney? It's a fairly small city in the middle of nowhere.

Copenhagen is within a 4-6 hours drive from a lot of people in Central Europe.

I don't think a country's neutrality has anything to do with getting the Olympic Games.

[cphdude]

OMG! First of all, don't feel offended. Second on off, population in a host city isn't the a big factor of hosting a olympics game! It's recognation of the host city internationaly and the capacity of accomidies or however you spell that word :p and capacity in total of a host city and that's easy to fix buy money take Bejing for an example.

Also it's a advantage if the host city is in a populated area, now i am not talking about Geneva's population nor Switzerlands population, i am talking about the fact that Geneva is central with most of Western europe's population only having a 4-5 hour drive! Germany, France, Italy and so on. Also the fact that Switzerland is amongst the Worlds most neutral countries is great because the whole point with The olympics is that any country can compete peacefully with out the host country interfering in a particular country's business.

Cheers!

Wow...You really dont know anything, do you?

Okay, Im done argueing with you...

[onetwothree]

@Staff
For the record, Sydney is not "a fairly small city in the middle of nowhere". It has a metropolitan population of at least 4,2 million, that's twice of Copenhagen (and no, the metropolitan area of Copenhagen does not include half of Zealand). It is of course more isolated than Copenhagen, but Europe is also extremely compact compared to all other continents.

As for whether Geneva is more well known around the world I wouldn't know, but it's a fact that it's more of a world city than Copenhagen is, more centrally located too and quite a bit smaller. The location doesn't matter much, though, that would only be for the surroundings (Geneva is located in the mountains, that's a tough one to beat)

[cphdude]

Some more general news on 2009 as sportsyear in Copenhagen and Denmark, including a bid for the Taekwondo World Championships and the UEFA congress also in 2009.

SPORTS FOUNDATION DENMARK/ Wonderful Copenhagen

COPENHAGEN’S TAEKWONDO BID ALIGNS WITH OVERALL 2009 SPORT STRATEGY

The authorities of the city of Copenhagen, Denmark, have now made the Danish Taekwondo Federation’s bid to host the 2009 World Championships a cornerstone of the city’s strategy to become the centre of the sports world in 2009.

They have given this bid the utmost importance in the Danish sports calendar to closely connect it with the IOC Session and Olympic Congress that Copenhagen will host that year.

The leaders of the Taekwondo bid propose to host the event literally days before the Olympic Congress and IOC Session, creating a powerful synergy between both events.

This strategy, driven by the World Championships in Taekwondo project, mostly aims at bringing a series of sports events to Denmark that would benefit from increased attention from both the international sports media and the Olympic Movement. In return, these events will create a strong build-up to the IOC Session and Olympic Congress – showing the world concretely that Denmark is a new key player in the international sports world.

Martin Gertsen, Copenhagen’s Mayor of Culture and Sport said, “All our sporting efforts are part of a long-term strategy that we have put in place, together with numerous partners, to bring the world of sport to Copenhagen and to Denmark in 2009. The World Championships in Taekwondo are a key element in this strategy, and we are putting all our strength to convince the WTF that Copenhagen in 2009 is the right place at the right time to host their flagship event.”

Last year, the selection of Copenhagen as a host to the key 2009 IOC meeting marked the beginning of a focused strategy by the Danish Government to build a strong, long-term platform for the development of sport in the country.

Since then, the Danish Ministry of Culture and Sport, together with partners like Sports Foundation Denmark and Wonderful Copenhagen have launched a series of sports projects to be built around the key IOC meeting in 2009 – culminating with a strong bid to host the World Championships in Taekwondo just days prior to the Olympic gathering.

As of today, cities around Denmark including Copenhagen have already secured a series of 2009 events such as the UCI Track and BMX World Cups as a part of the UCI Bike City project, the Wrestling World Championships, various international Sailing events, the European Waterskiing Championships, World Standard Champions in Dance Sport and the 2009 edition of the World Outgames.

Other bids are currently well underway in both cities of Copenhagen and Odense, with the latter currently bidding to host the 2009 FAI World Air Games as well as the Fencing World Championships.

In Copenhagen, which is also bidding to host the 2009 UEFA Congress, all eyes will be turned to Beijing in May where the selection of the host of the 2009 Taekwondo World Championships will be made by the World Taekwondo Federation (WTF). Copenhagen has put forward a very strong bid, supported with passion by all levels of Government, as this event is considered to be the centrepiece of the 2009 strategy.

April 2nd, 2007

[Chilenofuturista]

Come on Copenhagen, you can do it! :okay: :yes:
You've got my support!

[Svempa99]

About Geneva. I think Switzerland's recognition as being a centre for global organizations and companies is based on it's neutrality and also because it's a tax haven. It's a slightly odd country without any political interest for international affairs. Not like most other European states anyway. I think many IOK delegates would rather give the games to countries that wants to be part of the international community.

Also I think Geneva's smallness is a problem. IOK must be able to rely on a city that it really will build all the needed infrastructure and arenas.

[Svempa99]

And about Copenhagen. Sure Copenhagen could host the summer games. But today the arenas must be in place at the time of the bid, am I right? The rules wasn't like that when Stockholm made a bid some years ago. This makes it harder for smaller cities to apply. And also, leave the Scandinavian "average thinking" behind ("lagom"=just enough). There is nothing average about the Olympic games. A bid must be fantastic and outrageous to be a winner!

When Stockholm made an olympic bid some years ago they came up with a breathtakingly beautiful stadium with a fantastic panoramic view over Stockholm from the upper tiers. But it was still pulled down by the average thinking. It was only for 70.000 people. And it was going to be demolished after the games because Stockholm wouldn't need it afterwards. So what was the purpose then to make it average capacitywise? Why not make it outrageously huge? An stadium for 150.000 would certainly have made Stockholm's bid sexy. It would certainly have been possible to sell the bowl out during the games.

http://www.stockholm.se/files/68600-68699/file_68673.jpg

[staff]

The "lagom thinking" is way more present in Sweden than in Denmark, in my opinion.

[cphdude]

^^Perhaps. But has Stockholm completely ruled out hosting a summer olympic at some point?

Also, completely unrelated and wrong thread, any news or updates on the sweden euro bid??

[cphdude]

Olympic hopes rekindled

17.04.2007

International experts agree Denmark's compact size and strong environmental record make it well suited for hosting the Olympics

A majority of international experts and leaders in the sports world have recommended that Denmark pursue its bid to host the Olympic Games, reported Politiken newspaper Tuesday.

A survey by sports consulting firm TSE of members of the International Olympic Committee and other leading sports figures found that 68 percent of the 80 panellists recommended that Denmark seek the Olympic Games. The same number agreed that Denmark had a chance to win the bid for hosting the Games in 2020 or 2024.

The survey identified a number of areas that could hinder a Danish bid, however, including the size of the country and whether the proper funding could be secured.

Ironically the country's small size also boosted Denmark's candidacy in the eyes of some of the panel experts. Some 29 percent of the panellists considered the compact size of the country an advantage for transporting athletes.

'Sooner or later, the Games will become too big,' as one of the panellists stated. 'To consider a smaller country would signal reform.'

A similar number also praised Denmark's environmental record.

TSE Consulting's positive report rekindled the hopes of public officials who had seen their hopes quashed by a sceptical Finance Ministry report earlier this year that found hosting the Games was unfeasible.

Kai Holm, president of the National Olympic Committee and Sports Confederation of Denmark, welcomed the report's findings, but acknowledged that the project required a massive effort for reaching the long-term goal of hosting the 2024 Olympics.

'That requires that a number of preconditions have to fall into place, and if they don't, there is no reason to apply,' he said.

Holm emphasised, however, that with support from parliament, Copenhagen city officials and the population at large, a Copenhagen Games was feasible.

Copenhagen officials, for their part, also greeted the report with enthusiasm, stating that it kept the debate about a possible bid alive.

Martin Geertsen, deputy mayor for cultural affairs, considered the report a sign to continue exploring ways to bring the Games to Denmark.

'I believe we have the financial resources and the ability to organise,' he said. 'The fact that the outside world believes in us, reinforces me in my belief we should continue.'

[cphdude]

Tiden løber fra dansk OL

Mandag den 17. september 2007, 3:00

Politisk nøl har sendt de danske OL-drømme til tælling, og nu ser markedskræfterne ud til at levere dødsstødet: IOC er formentlig færdig med at vælge små OL-arrangører uden en gigantisk tegnebog i baglommen, vurderer dansk IOC-medlem.

Af Jonas Nyrup

De danske politikere har drømt så stort om OL i København, men allerede nu er det ved at være for sent at vågne op til dåd. Markedskræfterne udvikler sig til de store, pengestærke nationers fordel, og hvis Danmark ikke reagerer senest i 2010, kan løbet være kørt for altid.

Det danske medlem af Den Internationale Olympiske Komité (IOC), Kai Holm, ser nemlig tydelige tendenser til, at IOC skeler mere og mere til pengene, når bevægelsen udvælger OL-værter.

»Min private mening er, at det kan se ud som om, de store nationer er ved at lave det, som man på engelsk kalder »raise the moneyflag« og begynder at have en forrang for de mindre nationer. Man kan se det i forbindelse med valget af værtsby til vinter-OL 2014,« siger Kai Holm om valget af Sotji.

Den russiske by vandt foran sydkoreanske Pyeongchang og østrigske Salzburg.

»Man må sige, at Rusland var den nation med det mindst håndgribelige projekt. Når man har været så meget med i det som jeg, kan man ikke lade være med at sige, at russerne ikke havde fået OL, hvis ikke de havde haft så mange penge. Og så må man stille sig spørgsmålet, hvornår pengene begynder at tælle mere end kvalifikationerne. Ikke at Rusland ikke er kvalificeret, men man må sige, at de ikke har erfaring i så forfærdelig meget af den slags,« siger Kai Holm.

Ruslands præsident Vladimir Putin erkender da også, at landets økonomi spillede en væsentlig rolle i tildelingen af værtsskabet.

»Det er ikke bare en anerkendelse af Ruslands sportslige præstationer, men også en vurdering af vores lands fremskridt i den økonomiske og sociale sfære,« sagde præsident Vladimir Putin ved tildelingen af værtsskabet.

Ifølge Kai Holm var den derfor et meget tydeligt udslag af sportsverdenens økonomiske sammensætning.

»Den er netop problemet. Af de 35 internationale specialforbund, som er med ved sommer- og vinter-OL, er der vel kun seks eller syv forbund, som kan overleve uden penge fra IOC. På grund af deres ringe markedsføringsværdi er mange af dem fuldstændigt afhængige af pengene fra IOC. Det vil sige, at man er inde i en cirkel, hvor pengene bliver mere og mere påkrævet for, at verdenssporten kan hænge sammen. Og så kommer spørgsmålet, hvor langt man i IOC vil gå for at sælge til højestbydende,« siger Kai Holm.

Betyder de markedsmekanismer, at Danmark skal handle nu i forhold til et OL i 2024?

»Hvis politikerne ikke beslutter sig efter IOC-kongressen i oktober 2009 og senest i løbet af 2010, giver det ingen mening længere,« siger Kai Holm.





Tager stilling senere


IOC-kongressen afholdes i 2009 i København, men politikerne vil ikke lægge sig fast på, at de vil beslutte sig i kølvandet på den og overholde Holms deadline. Kulturminister Brian Mikkelsen (K) fastholder således, at han og regeringen først om »tre-fire år vil tage stilling til en dansk ansøgning om OL.«

Begrundelsen er, at man vil evaluere effekterne af en handlingsplan for tiltrækning af store internationale sportsbegivenheder til Danmark. Til den mission er der afsat 65 mio. kr. om året i de kommende fire år.

Men hvis politikerne ikke får fingrene ud snart og i fælles flok, vil Kai Holm ikke længere lave lobbyarbejde for det danske OL-projekt.

»Hvis vi ikke får en mere klar forpligtelse fra politisk hånd, så agter vi at lade være med at anbefale Danmark, for så vil vi ikke være med. Det kræver en fuldstændig klar politisk forpligtelse både fra Folketinget og fra byrådet i København,« siger Kai Holm.





Holm afviser regnestykke


Men spørgsmålet er, om et dansk OL-bud giver nogen mening overhovedet. Om Danmark overhovedet kan løfte opgaven økonomisk.

Konsulentfirmaet Rambøll har for Kulturministeriet regnet ud, at et spare-OL vil stå Danmark i små 25 mia. kr. Men den rapport har Finansministeriet skudt ned og hævder, at et dansk OL vil koste 50 mia. kr. mere – eller i alt det samme som i Athen 2004.

Den udregning afviser Kai Holm dog.

»Man kan ikke sammenligne med Grækenland, som vi har hørt finansministeren gøre, for de skulle jo lave et fuldstændigt nyt vejnet omkring Athen. Hvis vi skulle det, ville det ikke have interesse for os at være med. HVIS politikerne fører planerne igennem, har vi altså en velfungerende infrastruktur, som vi ikke behøver at forbedre,« siger Kai Holm.

Med hensyn til vinter-OL i Sotji i 2014 konstaterer han, at udgifterne til infrastruktur ligger på 85 procent af det samlede budget.

joe@berlingske.dk

[Fab 5]

Let's start off by saying that this is nothing official, it's just a thought of mine ;)

So, what do you think? Is Copenhagen still too small a city, are we simply too unimportant? Or are we ready to get the games to Denmark for the first time ever?

Personally, I'm all in favor of Copenhagen hosting the Olympics some time in the next 20 years or so. We might not be one of the biggest cities ever, but hey, I think we could do alright :D I mean, I think Copenhagen will look very different in, lets say, 20 years. We might even have some skyscrapers, lol

You opinion now, would Copenhagen be able to host the Olympics? Maybe not in 2016, but 2020 or 2024 or something :D

I know this one is a bit old, but I still find it interesting though.

Basically - controlling for a bunch of variables - my view is this:

The Olympics will not happen in Copenhagen within the foreseeable future. Not even close. Forget it. I am sorry. But it is a hollow discussion - also political-wise.

So much money and development is needed for Copenhagen to host the Olympics. It will easily exceed 100 billion Danish crowns. We don't currently have a single arena that is suited and fitted for the Olympics (maybe rowing in "Bagsværd" is within distance;-)). In almost any branch of sports a brand-new arena is needed - perhaps "Parken" can be used for soccer, but come on, looking at the former (and future) hosts of the Olympics, much more entirety thinking is needed. And such thinking is extremely expensive - especially when your point of departure is physically non-existing. And moreover, entirety thinking is not a Danish speciality!

An arena here and there is not a way forward.

Politicians (and Danes) are generally not ambitious enough ("Jante" is always luring). Besides, politicians (and society) face so many huge, structural challenges within the next 20-30 years. I just don't see such a project happening. Various polls don’t show convincing, public support for such a project. If this was ever to happen huge backing and general support are needed - and that will be impossible to establish, I think. Denmark - and not just Copenhagen - would need to back up. It would be a national project.

And an IOC-conference in Bella Center won't make any difference at all.

Overall, the Olympic Games are not a very "Danish" project. Really, think about it. So much money, ambition, courage, general support, perseverance and YIMBY are needed.

Sorry to say, but this will not happen in Denmark within the next 20-30 years. This stand and analysis might seem like a provocation to some, but I can only appeal for reality thinking in this matter.

[muster]

Won`t happen. Only Norway can host Olympics in our region ;)

[maartenvdbent]

All fine with me, as long as you don't "steal" our Olympics of 2028 :)

[Moolio]

Won`t happen. Only Norway can host Olympics in our region ;)

From historical point of view that's not the case, I fear.

[Fab 5]

Won`t happen. Only Norway can host Olympics in our region ;)

Of course things could all change if Denmark finds oil in Greenland. Weird things seem to be happening to all oil-rich nations and their people...

[cphdude]

I know this one is a bit old, but I still find it interesting though.

Basically - controlling for a bunch of variables - my view is this:

The Olympics will not happen in Copenhagen within the foreseeable future. Not even close. Forget it. I am sorry. But it is a hollow discussion - also political-wise.

So much money and development is needed for Copenhagen to host the Olympics. It will easily exceed 100 billion Danish crowns. We don't currently have a single arena that is suited and fitted for the Olympics (maybe rowing in "Bagsværd" is within distance;-)). In almost any branch of sports a brand-new arena is needed - perhaps "Parken" can be used for soccer, but come on, looking at the former (and future) hosts of the Olympics, much more entirety thinking is needed. And such thinking is extremely expensive - especially when your point of departure is physically non-existing. And moreover, entirety thinking is not a Danish speciality!

An arena here and there is not a way forward.

Politicians (and Danes) are generally not ambitious enough ("Jante" is always luring). Besides, politicians (and society) face so many huge, structural challenges within the next 20-30 years. I just don't see such a project happening. Various polls don’t show convincing, public support for such a project. If this was ever to happen huge backing and general support are needed - and that will be impossible to establish, I think. Denmark - and not just Copenhagen - would need to back up. It would be a national project.

And an IOC-conference in Bella Center won't make any difference at all.

Overall, the Olympic Games are not a very "Danish" project. Really, think about it. So much money, ambition, courage, general support, perseverance and YIMBY are needed.

Sorry to say, but this will not happen in Denmark within the next 20-30 years. This stand and analysis might seem like a provocation to some, but I can only appeal for reality thinking in this matter.

i sadly agree. I still think it is a great idea and it could be amazing, but right now the political will is not there, despite what people might say...

Perhaps a eurocup would stand a greater chance. It would involve the country more and create more excitement...

[too_stoned]

well copenhagen is more prepared for olympics than beijing, lol
http://engrish.com/category_index.php?category=CHINGLISH
man, those chinamen are crazy, but i also read an article from postimees once (a newspaper) about the fact that 1 chinese from 20 can speak english (a few words) :)

[muster]

Won`t happen. Only Norway can host Olympics in our region ;)

Of course things could all change if Denmark finds oil in Greenland. Weird things seem to be happening to all oil-rich nations and their people...

Why do you need oil :dunno: Olympics is not motorsport :lol:

[Parzival]

Copenhagen is to small to host an Olympic game. Stcokholm is the only scandinavian city that is able to host a game. :)

[Fab 5]

Copenhagen is to small to host an Olympic game. Stcokholm is the only scandinavian city that is able to host a game. :)

Wow, what a varied and well-reflected comment.

[cphdude]

Wow, what a varied and well-reflected comment.

Did you really expect anything else from Parzival...?

[FREKI]

Copenhagen is to small to host an Olympic game. Stcokholm is the only scandinavian city that is able to host a game. :)Do me a favior mate - look it up with Google Earth... you could really learn something..

[too_stoned]

woah! copenhagen is big enuff, lol i knoww that there was even a olympic regate in tallinn in the 80-s, and when tallinn fits for an olympic event, then i guess copenhagen fits too as it is a lot bigger than tallinn

[onetwothree]

Politicians (and Danes) are generally not ambitious enough ("Jante" is always luring)

That's exactly it, no one here is ambitious enough and great plans always end up either not materialised at all or greatly downscaled. That - to me at least - is the biggest hurdle towards ever getting the Olympics. As a city I'd say Copenhagen could pull it off. We're not big, but we have the Øresund region so we're definitely not small either, and besides, the major cities of Europe are all not that far away anyway

[Chilenofuturista]

I said it a year ago and I'll say it again. Yes, Copenhagen is ready to host the Olympic Games. Bring them on! You have my vote.

[cphdude]

I said it a year ago and I'll say it again. Yes, Copenhagen is ready to host the Olympic Games. Bring them on! You have my vote.

Yes, well...You are not an IOC member by any chance?:)

[Chilenofuturista]

Yes, well...You are not an IOC member by any chance?:)

who knows. ;)

[Fab 5]

I said it a year ago and I'll say it again. Yes, Copenhagen is ready to host the Olympic Games. Bring them on! You have my vote.

What do you mean by "ready"? We certainly don't have any arenas ready, we are not ready to spend the money needed to build these arenas, and the people are not ready at all mentally. So who is actually ready? The politicians? No, they are not ready either. No one seems to be ready. Are you ready?

Enough ready.

[cphdude]

What do you mean by "ready"? We certainly don't have any arenas ready, we are not ready to spend the money needed to build these arenas, and the people are not ready at all mentally. So who is actually ready? The politicians? No, they are not ready either. No one seems to be ready. Are you ready?

Enough ready.

I am ready. Give me the power and I shall make it happen...

[Chilenofuturista]

What do you mean by "ready"? We certainly don't have any arenas ready, we are not ready to spend the money needed to build these arenas, and the people are not ready at all mentally. So who is actually ready? The politicians? No, they are not ready either. No one seems to be ready. Are you ready?

Enough ready.

Shit, I'm in favour of Copenhagen and you flame me. Calm down, take a pill or something.

[Fab 5]

Shit, I'm in favour of Copenhagen and you flame me. Calm down, take a pill or something.

I was really just messing around with you, however, sorry if I offended you.