I think the body of the building is OK if a somewhat dull - that bit of render fails to lift it. But I'm not keen on the roof, it looks kind of untidy and unfinished. I definitely dislike those psuedo-georgian offices. They come over as flat cheap brick and tile boxes with a bit of tickety-tack stuck on. There's no bits projecting in or out, or even eaves, to give contour relief and inject that feeling of substance and solidity.

Jeez, you lot have got to be the pickiest most fractious bunch of fuss-pots on the whole of SSC forums. :|

Get that pickle out of your collective ring-pieces!!

They can't all be perfect!

Make allowances for just a bit of mediocrity.

I think your expectations exceed reality.

Come back to the 'real' world....

Salford.... ;)

I quite like the above, it looks like it's been cut and pasted from a comic though. I imagine it'll look crap with a grey sky though.

I think my least favourite 'Georgian shite' are those ones opposite Liverpool Road Station in Castlefield and those fucking awful ones welded to the back of the pretty Renaissance style warehouse on Oxford Street/Chepstow street opposite Maccy D's. The first piss me off just by ruining what should be Castlefield's village high street and the latter because they're a stones throw from the centre of town on a prominent road and they look ridiculously out of place. Those house/flat things by St John's churchyard need to go as well and get replaced by some real streets that you can use to get from one place to another and not just park your Range Rover.

Steelwork on the Sillivan Way development on Chapel St is coming along nicely :)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/100_0660.jpg

Scars on the new face of Salford

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ContentResources/36.$plit/C_17_Articles_207286_BodyWeb_Detail_0_Image.jpg

GRIM: Mucky streets and defunct buildings.

IT is supposed to be the engine room of change for Salford's bright new future.

But visitors to Chapel Street and The Crescent still find a district looking more like a clapped-out vision of the city's past.

The area was unveiled last year as the starting location for a vision of tree-lined boulevards.

The newly-formed Central Salford Urban Regeneration Company predicted the spectacular gateway along the A6 would mirror the glitz and property boom across the River Irwell in Manchester city centre.

Some new apartments have sprung up on Chapel Street, and more are to come, but appalling run-down properties and chunks of desolate land scars it.

Nearly every window has been smashed on two abandoned office blocks on the main thoroughfare and former university buildings remain boarded up.

The worst spectacle is the burnt-out shell of Ye Olde Nelson pub, which was severely damaged by fire nearly two years ago.

Developers plan to save it and in November 2004 submitted plans to build a multi-million-pound apartment block called The Admirality, next door.

The plans, by Leeds-based Hightop Developments, would see the pub, built in 1899, be refurbished.

But its charred timbers mar the image of a city supposedly on the brink of regeneration.

Nearby shabby empty shops and a former solicitors office have been vandalised.

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ContentResources/73.$plit/C_17_Articles_207286_BodyWeb_Detail_1_Image.jpg

GROTTY: Broken windows.Transform

The influential Chapel Street Business Group, leading the campaign to transform the area, believes the council should take action to clean up derelict parts of the two roads.

Group spokesman Mark Carlin said: "Although some areas of Chapel Street are undoubtedly in need of urgent attention, significant change has occurred over the last five years and we expect the pace of change to increase.

"With a full team now in place at the URC and all local groups beginning to work closely together, we believe the long-term solution will be worth the wait."

Salford city council says it is putting pressure on landowners to tidy up abandoned sites and fix broken windows. Council leader Coun John Merry said: "Chapel Street is one of the most popular areas for inward investment in Greater Manchester just now, and is sharing in the success story of Manchester city centre.

"The Urban Regeneration Company has already identified the potential of this area as Salford's historic and creative quarter.

"There is no question there are eyesore sites that need attention, and we are pressing landowners and property owners to play their part.

"We are determined to continue to develop our excellent track record in delivering successful and effective regeneration, because that brings benefits for the people of this city.

"And we won't allow issues of poor maintenance, neglected or untidy sites to get in the way of that."

The morons at Salford City council should read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_Windows_Theory

Salford will always play second fiddle if they let things like this continue.
My mate , who is a club promoter, offered to take over the Nelson and put some life into the area but was resisted at every turn and then it burnt down and he walked away. Like i said - morons!

The morons at Salford City council should read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_Windows_Theory

Salford will always play second fiddle if they let things like this continue.
My mate , who is a club promoter, offered to take over the Nelson and put some life into the area but was resisted at every turn and then it burnt down and he walked away. Like i said - morons!

Salford Council frustrate me so much.

5th March.

Reference: 06/52259/FUL
Decision Level: COMM
Applicant name: Lowry Properties
Ward: Ordsall
Grid Reference: 381386 396815
Case Officer: Mathias Franklin
Telephone: 0161 779 4845
Location: Site At Junction Of Taylorson Road South And Ordsall Lane, Salford 5
Proposal: Erection of part 11/part 13 storey block comprising 271 apartments together with associated undercroft car parking, landscaping and alteration to existing and construction of new vehicular access (Re-submission of 04/49597/FUL)

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Imagery for outline mixed use application on Chapel Street.

http://www.omiarchitects.co.uk/Salford/Salford%202.jpg

http://www.omiarchitects.co.uk/Salford/Salford%201.jpg

http://www.omiarchitects.co.uk/Salford/Salford%203.jpg





I know this is only an outline application but there is an almost identical development under construction on Blackfriars road (Dandara's Spectrum) by the same architects. What's the point?

Proposal on Trinity Way.

http://www.omiarchitects.co.uk/Trin/Trinity1.jpg

http://www.omiarchitects.co.uk/Trin/Trinity2.jpg

http://www.omiarchitects.co.uk/Trin/Trinity3.jpg

Im a big fan of those chapel st towers. :)

I know this is only an outline application but there is an almost identical development under construction on Blackfriars road (Dandara's Spectrum) by the same architects. What's the point?
When I first saw those images, I thought it was spectrum. It was only when I realised how much higher these buildings were. They're not bad, but not great, especially when so similar. It nearly blocks out Beetham on the skyline too :(

Thanks Sleepy, I like those Chapel St buildings, its all about density now in these outlying edges of town to bring some life to the area, these should look great on Chapel St...and at least they're not RED!

Renders made me laugh- like diesel and miss sixty are going to put shops on chapel street! What next a completely car, bus and lorry free chapel street?
Oh wait a minute ....!
There you go!
With trees and people walking and outside coffee tables.
What a load of fucking shit!
Nice to see the 'architects' have used some context and used the 'i can see wales from my flat' blocks behind as inspiration (except they arent 150 grand to buy!).
Its like someone shitting in your living room and to get rid of the smell you do a shit yourself in the kitchen!

Nice find Sleep's,,i like those Chapel St blocks also,,Longturd i dont agree with you,,why cant there be coffee shops and nice retail outlet's on Chapel St in the future, if more developments like this get built along that road ,then why not.
Fair enough at this present time, i think its out of the question, and companies wont even entertain it , but places can change . Time will tell

double post

why cant there be coffee shops and nice retail outlet's on Chapel St in the future

Because this is a major traffic route with little or no foot traffic - too far from the city centre, no history in the last 30 years of retail, no chance of on street parking, a fucking horrible estate 20 yards away (do you want me to go on?)
If a king street -esque retailer moves into those units i will stand in the middle of chapel street wearing a miss sixty mini dress during rush hour and show my arse!
And do you know what? - if a coffee shop does open there i will buy you the most expensive one they do and we can sit outside and watch the traffic go by and you can watch me show my arse (hope you dont suffer with asthma).

Because this is a major traffic route with little or no foot traffic - too far from the city centre, no history in the last 30 years of retail, no chance of on street parking, a fucking horrible estate 20 yards away (do you want me to go on?)
If a king street -esque retailer moves into those units i will stand in the middle of chapel street wearing a miss sixty mini dress during rush hour and show my arse!
And do you know what? - if a coffee shop does open there i will buy you the most expensive one they do and we can sit outside and watch the traffic go by and you can watch me show my arse (hope you dont suffer with asthma).

God you can be a belligerent arse! Well if Felicity Goodey, Masimillano Fuksas and Salford City Council do their jobs properly, I look forward to seeing this spectacle in the not too distant future!

LOL,,,thats the point Longy,,when these new development's are built along Chapel St, it will bring in the "foot traffic".
There are many main busy roads in London and with coffee shops, and lets face it ,its not that bloody far from the city centre.
I'll look forward to you showing ya arse in a Miss Sixty mini dress, and piss meself when you get carted off to the nut house :)

my first job when i moved over here 12 years ago was half way up chapel street on the corner of oldfield road. thinking back to what it was like then, the thought of chapel street becoming gentrified seems utterly ridiculous :lol: having said that it's looking a whole lot better these days but i'll join longford and bare my arse on the roof of the blue bell if i ever see outdoor coffee bars and designer boutiques up there

Beligerent? Yes!
Realistic? Also guilty!

Nothing will come of "The Masterplan' - Salford CC will deliver a half arsed watered down version and go for the quick buck and the lowest common design denominator.
This sort of scheme has nothing to do the Fukas ideas and is in fact counter to its intentions.
I am always surprised when apparently intelligent and well informed people are seduced by ridiculous renders and are willing to except designs that are bereft of any originality, flair, subtlety or charm.

Thease Buildings need to be in the city centre or around other tall buildings in Salford. The traffic is hurrendus there.

More ponced up Benchill nonsense. I'm getting incredibly tired of SSC/MCC letting bullshit like this through.

It does sound a little ambitious, but then I remember when exchange square was a windswept vista with a chippy the only poshest frontage in that neck of woods...mind you the chips were decent.

I thought the whole idea was to intigrate Chapel St into the City centre, these things take time. I remember people I know scoffing at the thought of a 5 star hotel in Manchester, saying no one would stay in it, I must say I find that type of negativity quite sad. Lets give it a chance before we slag it off eh?

I'm not a great fan of this Chapel Street development. It looks a bit 20th Century rather than 21st Century. Maybe it's the strips of what looks like brick or terracotta, maybe it's the thin black caps, amybe it's the way the balconies look stuck rather than built in. But Longford, I have to say maybe there's a bit of vision here that you're not quite seeing. This cityscape is actually quite inviting, a nice mix of old and new. It could turn into something special in years to come. Provided the greenery stays.

http://www.omiarchitects.co.uk/Salford/Salford%203.jpg

Sorry guys but perhaps ive seen more of this bullshit from salford in the past and are therefore more cynical. I have a document from about 1998 called a Framework for Salford or something and cost hundreds of thousands of salford rate payers money and had all sorts of fancy schemes including Chapel Street. As far as can remember absolutley nothing came of it - in fact since the Chapel Street has become even more derelict and the only thing they did is cleared some land behind chapel Street and built a small link road that seems to go no where.
I am repeating myself here but this sort of scheme has nothing to do with the Fukas 'vision' and only adds to my cynicism that this new Masterplan was just a PR exercise to get the ODPM on board and allow for wholesale destruction and re build.
Sorry for being so negative but it is based on bitter experience. Lets hope i'm proved wrong eh?

I just find it amazing that for the sake of active construction, so many people are prepared to allow bollocks like this through. Look at the fucking things. They're the same as Spectrum which in itself is dross and they bear a canny resemblance to those ugly bastard tower blocks with hats on, down by the Mancy Way and Upper Brook Street.

Honestly. They're foul. They'll be foul in 40 years. This type of architecture had a chance in the 60s and it didn't work. Bollocks to the argument concerning materials and ammenities, they just don't fucking work.

^^ lol ok dgnr8 I don't think you like them do you..:)

Look guys im no expert so maybe I just look at these schemes and think "GREAT! at last something is happening here" I don't tend to delve into the architctural merits or downfalls, so I know I can't argue about materials etc. Im just happy to see development around there, the amount of times I've travelled up Chapel St on a bus and wondered why such an obvious main road into the city looks like the land that time forgot.

I know these blocks are nothing special at all but they are a vast improvement on nothing and a good start. Middlewood Locks will be just round the corner so im sure some decent retail units in these blocks will get steady business, or am I just dreaming.

I respect all of your opinions, im not being awkward, maybe just a bit optimistic.

Im fed up of repeating myself but this whole area from Ordsal Lane to Salford Cresent to The City Centre will be nothing unless major mistakes from the past are rectified.

The Town hall
The Magistrates Court
The Halls of Residents and The Uni
The Precinct (well its shops anyway, the place itself can die a slow painfull death)
The Market
Even The City of Salford Stadium

All these things Could be fit in this area, creating a vibrant city centre to rival the secondary towns of the region like Preston, Bolton, Stockport etc. Because like Longford said, at the minute Salford is just somewhere you pass from the motorway to Town.

Knock down that shitty council estate and build a city centre for Salfordians to be proud of, not more of these jazzy Pendleton flat schemes with no real long term thought

I'd go along with that roly. It's good to see a significant development that'll kick some life into this part of Salford. Sure the towers ain't perfect and it's a shame they ain't as sleek as the lower buildings in front, but they ain't that bad.

http://www.omiarchitects.co.uk/Salford/Salford%201.jpg

Appreciate what you are saying roly but this is not what salford needs.
My opinion?
Divert the A6 round the back of Chapel Street and the Cresent to join at Broad Street. There is nothing round the back there (except them horrible high rises). down grade Chapel Street and the Crescent make them more pedestrian friendly- (buses only?). Encourage some commercial developments away from the Quays to Chapel Street and the Crescent- make the link between the two University complexes more than a 'take your life in to your own hands' experience by restricting traffic on the Crescent to two lanes. This will allow them to build something on the Irwell side of the crescent and make it a two sided street with shops for the students, uni staff and office workers (where do they all go now i wonder?) Encourage A3 use up the Chapel street end. Bring the market into the square in front of St Peters, bring the Magistrates court to Salford (too late!)
Course this will cost too much money and take too much imagination so never gonna happen.
Fuck Fukas - get Longford on the case!

Fuck Fuksas? Sounds like you've more or less lifted your "ideas" directly from the Central Salford URC draft development framework Longford. Very clever. So Im confused. Does that make you "informed" or not?

http://www.centralsalford.com/site/Resources/Final-Doc-17-08-05.pdf


And who exactly is getting carried away with these Chapel St renders? I was at pains to point out these images accompanied an OUTLINE planning application only - and one which I dont believe has been determined yet. I am none too impressed with them either (should they eventually form the basis of a full, detailed application). Chapel St and Salford deserves better than this, especially in light of the almost identical development on Blackfriars Rd.

My bold and unique ideas dont appear anywhere in the document you kindly pointed me to. 'Junction improvements' and 'removing the central reservation' is nowhere near as good as my idea.
My plan is grand and audacious whilst salford's is just fiddling round the edges.

sleepy - i'm flattered that you think me capable of implementing such bold schemes but i'm just expressing opinions mate. Dont take the 'beligerent arse' too seriously!
So my ideas arent original but it aint rocket science what i'm proposing is it?
As the great Roy walker used to say on catchphrase "Say what you see".

I wonder what good ol' Will Mossop would have thought of these? Hobson would undoubtedly love them, seeing it as an excellent opportunity to sell a few more shoes.

I honestly don't see a great problem with them, you have to start somewhere, all SCC need to do is up the quality bar as more and more applications come along for the area.

Going off on one however, does anyone know if there is any movement on converting the old Weaste bus depot into that residential "thing" yet? The people with a flat on the top of the South facing side of the 8th floor element will have a great view of the sewage works at the bottom of Borough Road. Used to be great going to school in the morning along Eccles New Road and having a full shit tanker pull out (or was it going in?) of Borough Road right next to you, didn't half wake you up and get you ready for the day!

It was still storing 3 and half million toilet rolls when i went past today weastie.
As far as converting goes - thats not SCC's way is it? Sell it off cheap to some local gangster and build some rubbish flats on it like at the Frederick Road depot.

They arnt bad, its just that they arnt anything special. Much better than the crap going up at St Georges Island.

I thought that they were keeping the Eccles New Road and Weaste Road South facades and restoring the clock tower, which I believe doesn't have a clock face in it anymore and has a tree growing on top of it.

It's a bloody shame what they have let happen to that great old icon to public transport, crackers. Although my Uncle Jim always used to swear that he remembers when it used to be a field and he played football on it.

On the historic note, it also has a dent in the white stripe that goes around its upper half. The said dent is facing No.21 Humber Street, and was caused by a German bomb that somehow missed landing on the depot, and "bounced" off the side (hiting the depot where the said dent is), landing in the street, and sending the front door of 21 upstairs and into the bathroom. Not a lot of people know that. I do, as said Uncle Jim lived in said No.21 at the time.

All things considered Salford Central it's definately a case of evolution not revoluotion. For me it is still a part of Manchester that needs investment but it can't be too choosy at this point in time at to what they get. Spinningfields, Central Spine, Salford Quays et al are all going to attract the upper end of the invesment markets for some time to come. But as Salford evoles it will becomes a more prestious environment into which to invest. For the time being I agree with Roly it's alot better than it is used to be.

My bold and unique ideas dont appear anywhere in the document you kindly pointed me to. 'Junction improvements' and 'removing the central reservation' is nowhere near as good as my idea.
My plan is grand and audacious whilst salford's is just fiddling round the edges.

sleepy - i'm flattered that you think me capable of implementing such bold schemes but i'm just expressing opinions mate. Dont take the 'beligerent arse' too seriously!
So my ideas arent original but it aint rocket science what i'm proposing is it?
As the great Roy walker used to say on catchphrase "Say what you see".

I just found it strange that you scoffed at the very notion of a mere coffee shop opening on Chapel St in the future, told us why, then described what you thought needs to change which it turns out is nothing more than a regurgitation of the Fuksas plans commissioned by the URC! You then go on to tell us its never going to happen anyway! Cynicism has its place but it can also be destructive and pointless.

I agree though that the images of the Chapel Street scheme do not have anything to do with the plans. Developers seem to be putting forward schemes faster than the URC, SCC and the development framework can assimilate them - which is understandable given the framework is only in draft form at present.

What exactly is your point sleepy? - that i'm a cynical old git or that chapel street is going to be Salford's answer to King Street? Yes i'm a cynical old git but i am also confident I wont be baring my arse outside starbucks in my miss sixty outfit on chapel street anytime soon. I'm content with both and will sleep soundly.
I didnt 'regurgitate' anything - its just that me and Fuckass have the same basic ideas because they all make sense. The only difference between me and Massimolinio is that he is getting paid for being ignored and i am being ignored for free!

thank the stars...!!!! We have warp drive back on line......!!!!

thank the stars...!!!! We have warp drive back on line......!!!!

Funnily enough watching star trek as we speak but am now wondering if colin jackson is gay (again!!!!)

which one is cj

The hurdler! (ive switched over to the commonwealth games - i perhaps should have mentioned that!)

oh... nice one! So what have you inearthed about manchester today

What exactly is your point sleepy? - that i'm a cynical old git or that chapel street is going to be Salford's answer to King Street? Yes i'm a cynical old git but i am also confident I wont be baring my arse outside starbucks in my miss sixty outfit on chapel street anytime soon. I'm content with both and will sleep soundly.
I didnt 'regurgitate' anything - its just that me and Fuckass have the same basic ideas because they all make sense. The only difference between me and Massimolinio is that he is getting paid for being ignored and i am being ignored for free!

My point is that you seem to have no point to make.

Your "ideas" are the same as what appears in the (draft) regeneration framework which I assume you are aware has yet to be officially launched following public consultation. Whether you are regurgitating the input provided by Fuksas or not is irrelevant. I fail therefore to understand your cynicism.

Its all been about salford today with me and sleepy falling out over chapel street.
I have promised to bare my arse on chapel street if it gets all poncified with starbucks and diesel shops.

I think Starbucks are headed for Chapel Street Longshanks...

but I wont be watching your arse bareing ceremony. Can you set fire to your balls as well?

My point is that you seem to have no point to make.

Your "ideas" are the same as what appears in the draft regeneration framework which I assume you are aware has yet to be officially launched following public consultation. Whether you are regurgitating the input provided by Fuksas or not is irrelevant. I fail to understand therefore you cynicism.

God you are frustrating sometimes!
I like the framework ideas cos i have many of the same ideas myself but i know that its not going to happen - thats why i'm cynical.
My point is that SCC will not follow this through and salford will stay rubbish.
The blocks that started this debate arent there because the developers want to promote regeneration. they are there because they have got a cheap bit of land and want to squeeze as much profit out of it as possible and dont give a fuck about the long term future of my city! Thats my point!

but I wont be watching your arse bareing ceremony. Can you set fire to your balls as well?

i will insist on it!

Well you are entitled to your view but you seem to be condemning the project even before its got out of the starting blocks which I think is a shame and a bit strange. I can understand where you are coming from though. We will see.

I agree with your last paragraph. These blocks have nothing to do with the plans and are a shameful piece of opportunism, which is why they probably only went in for outline planning only. Be interesting to see how SCC deal with it.

So again... what was your point? only kidding

So again... what was your point? only kidding

:hug: God i had thought agreeable sleepy had been kidnapped by evil sleepy and was trying to make my life a misery. Glad the nice one is back.

To summarise i would rather condemn it before it gets built and fight for a better solution than moan after its built when its too late to change it.

:hug: God i had thought agreeable sleepy had been kidnapped by evil sleepy and was trying to make my life a misery. Glad the nice one is back.

To summarise i would rather condemn it before it gets built and fight for a better solution than moan after its built when its too late to change it.

Its not my debate, but theres always a chance that fighting a scheme will get it pulled and then nothing will happen, or worse... something worse could happen

Nah b3mmy - the market will always get its way wont it so something will get built? Like i say i can only hope that intefering old gits like me get the best solution possible.
I remember seeing the first scheme for Piccadilly Place and we spat the dummy big time and they came back with something half decent. Result!
To be honest though i would rather see nothing than something shit.

When i said "the project" in #305 I mean the central salford project of which Chapel St is but one part. What confused me is that the aims and objectives of the draft regeneration framework, the input of Fuksas and your own ideas seem to be aligned (contrary to what you said on the previous page!). Fair enough you have your misgivings as to whether SCC and the URC can carry their vision through based on past experience. Seems a bit premature to be passing judgement though IMO.

The debate about these blocks is but a side show and I agree with you on them. It will be very interesting to see how SCC deal with that planning application. The sooner this framework is endorsed and up and running the better. Hopefully it will provide more steer and influence as to the type and quality of individual applications.

A few wires uncrossed I hope. I should be in bed else Sleepy will be a very sleepy Sleepy tomorrow so...

:goodnight:

:wave:

Couple of interesting applications gone in this week

Reference: 06/52343/FUL
Decision Level: DEL
Applicant name: British Waterways
Ward: Winton
Grid Reference: 375709 398122
Case Officer: Miss Sam Key
Telephone: 0161 779 4836
Location: Line Of The Manchester, Bury And Bolton Canal Between The River Irwell And Oldfield Road Salford 5
Proposal: Restoration of Manchester, Bolton and Bury Canel, excavate/restore canal, construction of new channel/basins, restore existing lock, create new lock, create towpath and construct bridge over restored canal at East Ordsall Lane (Amendment to previous approval 04/48258/FUL)



Reference: 06/52316/OUT
Decision Level: COMM
Applicant name: Countryside Properties UK Limited
Ward: Broughton
Grid Reference: 375254 398256
Case Officer: Miss Alison Kershaw
Telephone: 0161 779 4833
Location: Land Bounded By Camp Street, Great Clowes Street, Lower Broughton Road, Cumberland Street And Harrision Street, Salford 7
Proposal: Outline application for the demolition, conversion and redevelopment of 22.7 hectares of land and buildings to provide mixed use development comprising residential (C3), school, community uses (D1), assembly and leisure (D2), business (B1), retail (A1/A2), cafes, restaurants and public houses (A3,A4,A5), car parking, public spaces and ancillary uses together with associated highways and other works.

In today MEN

Salford bridges to get facelift
Don Frame
THREE historic railway bridges in Salford will get a £2m facelift as part of improvements to Central Station.

Work on the Grade II listed bridges on New Bailey Street starts on Monday, April 3 and should take three months.

Funded by Network Rail, the project will involve cleaning, waterproofing and re-painting. Decorative cast iron panels will be removed, restored and replaced by a specialist contractor and corroded ironwork replaced.




New Bailey Street will be closed under each of the three parallel bridges between 10pm and 6am during the work. There will also be temporary closures of the railway each weekend between 1am on Sundays and 5am on Mondays, starting on April 16.

The work is part of the regeneration of Chapel Street, Salford. Later this year, Central Station will be transformed with a glassed forecourt, a new ticket office, subway improvements, easier access, improved passenger information and better security.

I was looking at these two last night.
That broughton one is frightening - typical salford slash and burn policy to redeveloping!
Cuntryside Properties!
Asbestos? Where? Not here thats for sure?

Peel Holdings held a wee conference at Barton about a month or so back to allay fears regarding the closure of Barton to make way for all their proposed gubbins for the area. One of the projects that was apparently more solid was the water taxi marina thing The Jerbster posted about a while back (which would go from Salford Reds/TC/Racecourse straight up the Ship Canal to the Quays and town).

Anybody got anymore info on this? I only got the above information after a night on the piss with my dad when he came up to see us. He flies at Barton, like. It'd be interesting to know if this Barton Dock (or whatever the taxi idea is called) scheme is something that would provide a brand new mode of transport for this little entertainment village Peel seem to wish to build (TC, extension, area around Venus for office, Stadium, racecourse and then the bottom end around the Quays).

Peel in a rare show of intelligence asked me to have a look at the plans for Barton Airport.
The tower and two hangers are listed and they wanted to rejig things about. In another rare excursion into intelligence they took our recomendations on board and re drew their plans.
They are keen to build the business at barton and develop it into a kind of exclusive private airfield for zillionaires to fly in and out of without mixing with all the scousers on their way to ibiza at Ringway.
We had to be pragramtic about what they are proposing because the business is failing at the airport and they are willing to invest. I dont know if the recreational flyers will be 100% happy but Barton's future seems quite certain at the moment.
Dont know how it fits into their world domination exercise but they seemed quite keen to get things right.
Dont know about the water taxi thing.

NAh, everybody at Barton's very worried about losing the airport. They're getting the feeling the future's bleak for those who do use it. And I don't understand how business is falling there, the place is always busy when I go.

Yeah Peel can be pretty ruthless but they seemed pretty committed to developing Barton as an airport. Its been run pretty ad hoc over the years by people who are essentially enthusiasts and there was a complicated ownership situation (Mcr and Salford councils, the University of Mcr) which meant there were shared costs and little investment. I think they have ticked over but now Peel are involved they want to see some serious profit. Like i said i dont think the leisure flyers will be happy because Peel want to run more as a serious business.
Dont get me wrong i aint Peels no 1 fan but from what i have seen they seem to have a plan for Barton and it involves it staying as an airport.

Sounds like it could turn into something like that London City airport. I wouldnt say its in the world perfect place through. Theres not really a direct route into Manchester from there and the only way of getting into City Centre at a fast pace is by car. There is infact a train line not far from it, I noticed it when, I went to watch a football match on the fields near the airport.

I downloaded the plans for the new rail terminal and container dock (all 80mb of it!) by Peel and tucked away on one of the drawings were the areas left undeveloped for the Metrolink passing by Dumplington Precinct, crossing the canal, past the possible stadium site right up to the airport. Perhaps they know something we dont!
To be honest though i think the sort of people they want to attract wont be taking the tram into town!

That's exactly it. It's being taken away by the enthusiasts who run the place. It's not just a handful of Mancs who use it, other enthusiasts from all over the North West fly to and fro. It'll be a right bloody shame on the respective council (Salford I assume) if they were to allow it to happen. Not everything should be viewed with cash signs.

The cold hard fact is though dgnr8 is that if it was to carry on being run the way it was it would have gone belly up. Like i said i'm no fan of Peel but i would rather see it ran as a business and continue to exist than not ran at all.
I dont think Salford CC have a stake in it anymore (another piece of the family silver they have sold off!).

Sounds like it could turn into something like that London City airport. I wouldnt say its in the world perfect place through. Theres not really a direct route into Manchester from there and the only way of getting into City Centre at a fast pace is by car. There is infact a train line not far from it, I noticed it when, I went to watch a football match on the fields near the airport.

By car it's quite quick to get into the centre of town, with about a 1 mile drive along the A57 to the M60, another mile to the M602, then you are straight in to Regent Road and then the city centre. Just to the North of the Aerodrome is the M62 as well, but I'm not sure if there is a junction there, but it's not exactly difficult to build one. Taxis and Buses shouldn't take more than 15-20 minutes to get into the centre of Manchester.

The main Liverpool-Manchester railway line runs about 1 mile North of the Aerodrome, but I didn't realise there was a station there. I would have thought that the closest would be at Green Lane, Patricroft. There is no reason a station could not easily be built though, quite easily. It's all farmland no the North of the Aerodrome, and the main Liverpool-Manchester line is there as is the M62.

You could probably stick in a decent sized runway, in a SW-NE orientation as well.

I think there is lots of potential (business wise) at Barton and i think Peel see that too. I think Blackpool was the fastest growing uk airport last year in terms of numbers so there is a place for this scale of airport.

On Football Focus this afternoon Wayne Rooney jetted off around the country with the world cup from Barton. I think it's got potential as a place for Private Jets, but I'm not sure about the London City comparison. Ringway is well set up and estabished for all kinds of scheduled travel and Barton would have to compete directly. London City on the other hand has no competiton in the small aircraft market.
But with proper development it could attract those people with too much money and there would still be room for those who use it already.

I would love to see Manchester get a new smaller airport for more domestic flights at Barton. Blackpool Airport, although small, is absolutely fantastic to use.

On Football Focus this afternoon Wayne Rooney jetted off around the country with the world cup from Barton. I think it's got potential as a place for Private Jets, but I'm not sure about the London City comparison. Ringway is well set up and estabished for all kinds of scheduled travel and Barton would have to compete directly. London City on the other hand has no competiton in the small aircraft market.
But with proper development it could attract those people with too much money and there would still be room for those who use it already.

Breaking News:World Cup goes missing

The World Cup has gone missing after it was flying round the country visiting cities. It was last seen in Liverpool and Wayne Rooney hasnt been seen since it went missing.

You'll probably be able to buy it in a pub in Huyton by tonight (or they will be selling knock off copies on Bold Street by monday)

On Football Focus this afternoon Wayne Rooney jetted off around the country with the world cup from Barton. I think it's got potential as a place for Private Jets, but I'm not sure about the London City comparison. Ringway is well set up and estabished for all kinds of scheduled travel and Barton would have to compete directly. London City on the other hand has no competiton in the small aircraft market.
But with proper development it could attract those people with too much money and there would still be room for those who use it already.

Are you sure it was barton matey? They boarded on a concrete apron and I'd have thought that kind of jet needed a paved runway?

Couldnt have been barton in that case. Oldest continuously used grass runway in the world at a commercial airport dont you know!

Are you sure it was barton matey? They boarded on a concrete apron and I'd have thought that kind of jet needed a paved runway?

Very good point! It mustn't have been Barton. My mistake.

Right place, right time. :)

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Right place, right time. :)

Him or you?!!

Quality pics by way...

Great pics jrb. I forget how stunning that bridge is.

The bridge has major problems. Its been in New Civil Enginner (NCE). Looks like he was inspecting it. It needs repairs. Have a closer look at the rust and damage all over it next time your around there.

Wow. It's big, innit. It didn't look that big in the flesh when I was last there.

Shoot me down in flames, but does The Bridge apartments looks pretty good in that shot?

Good one jrb.

that 3rd pic is great

Oh the restoration of them railway bridges at Salford Central as started , went past today and they are already covered in scaffolding.

Didnt waste any time did they :) Bang on schedule which makes a nice change.

F***ing toad face will reject this aswell! :bash:



No he wont. Just wait and see eh?

Love this plan:
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City is star winner

SALFORD City Council has staged an amazing turn-around by winning a "good" three-star rating from inspectors.

Four years ago, it was branded "weak" but a report by the independent Audit Commission watchdog yesterday praised the council's "can do" culture and said the city has strong political and managerial leadership.

It has made "clear progress" in regenerating the local economy and creating jobs, reducing crime, keeping the environment clean and achieving long-term ambitions to improve the health of citizens.

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In December, the council was graded "fair" - two stars - after being considered weak for three consecutive years.

The report says a key strength of the council is working with other partners such as the police and the NHS, as well as private developers, and adds: "Strong political and managerial leadership and a positive `can do' culture is evident".

Tackled

Although crime levels remain high overall, there is an improving trend. Last year, burglary in homes was down 30 per cent, robbery down 20 per cent and theft from vehicles fell by 18 per cent.

Anti-social behaviour has been tackled in hotspots and six police officers are based in schools.

The city has gone from 16th worst area in the country for crime and disorder to 26th.

But the report says the council needs to maintain improvements in educational attainment.

Last year, there was an increase of eight per cent in the number of youngsters gaining five or more A* to C GCSEs to 46.3 per cent, but it is still well behind the national average of 60.2 per cent.

Housing

Work also needs to be done to provide a high standard of decent housing - a key factor in improving health and eradicating deprivation.

Council leader John Merry said: "This council has delivered on the priorities of the people of Salford.

"Our hard work has clearly paid off."

The city council's new chief executive, Barbara Spicer, said: "This gives me great confidence in our ability to continue to improve. This is a great city and it has a great future."

I think this 13 floor block has been approved by scc

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Although i can't go back and check because salfords new public access system doesn't actually seem to function :dunno:

Anyone think the same as me.... this building appears to echo a kind of urban vernacular at the moment.... looks like Castlefield and Quadrangle and a million others all rolled into one.... whats wrong with architects, are they just bloody lazy, or scared. (I hope they aren't one of my clients, I'll check and then may have to edit my post later!)

I think this 13 floor block has been approved by scc

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Although i can't go back and check because salfords new public access system doesn't actually seem to function :dunno:

Anyone think the same as me.... this building appears to echo a kind of urban vernacular at the moment.... looks like Castlefield and Quadrangle and a million others all rolled into one.... whats wrong with architects, are they just bloody lazy, or scared. (I hope they aren't one of my clients, I'll check and then may have to edit my post later!)

I blame Stephenson Bell!
Sincerest form of flattery apparently but its just lazy architects and even lazier developers.
"Give me a Stephenson Bell building.......only cheaper!"

The Sillivan Way apartments on Chapel St

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^Hey, thats looking pretty good :)

I don't like this vogue for "a variety of surface treatments". It's like, bereft. Like somebody not sure what colour they want their car, so let's have a bit of everything. And it doesn't do it's purported job of disguising the bulk of a building. It's just the flavour of the month. Or more like flavour of last October.

thats shot up H, I'm liking those curves

cheers for the birthday wishes x

I don't like this vogue for "a variety of surface treatments". It's like, bereft. Like somebody not sure what colour they want their car, so let's have a bit of everything. And it doesn't do it's purported job of disguising the bulk of a building. It's just the flavour of the month. Or more like flavour of last October.

The proper term is 'confused design language' and i totally agree with you.
Its just an excuse to try and disguise a bad building with busyness - like that 'dazzle' camouflage they used to paint battleships! If you make it really confusing hopefully no one will look too close at the architecture.

Reminder of what it's going to look like.

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Ummm. Actually I do like that.

Apologies, I was thinking about the red brick and render plus a bit of something else when I was talking about the "variety of surface treatments".

Chapel St
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Salford Cental station getting it's facelift

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Good I've been looking forward to this starting. Cheers H

Im not sure it is. Isn't that just renovations to the bridge?

All part and parcel I think Sleepy, I read somewhere recently it was due to start pretty soon anyway so this could be it.

I was round there Sunday, looks like all of its platforms are going to be used, think some platforms had been shut off for years. This is good cos they're obviously expecting more traffic to use the station after the refirb.

Tomorrow. :)

oh 'ere we go ^^

oh 'ere we go ^^

Nothing exciting kids, just a few more renders/plans of one of the developments.

Interesting though. :)

aww :(







:D

Go on then.

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06/52455/REM

Brabco 508 Ltd

Drivers Jonas

Sillavan Way Industrial Estate
Sillavan Way Bounded By William Street And Chapel Street
Salford

Details of the design and elevations in respect of a mixed use residential (Class C3) and commercial (Class B1) development pursuant to outline consent 05/50254/FUL

Copy and paste 52455 and view full PDF application. http://www.salford.gov.uk/living/planning/planninglist/planninglist-search.htm

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Hmm, looks alright, a abit like the lock building i suppose.

The corner of the right angle, the corner nearest chapel street, should be sharpe like the lock building, rather than rounded like fusion. It'd give the building a focal point.

Looks like one or two of the boxes escaped from the City Building, Corporation St

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probably a better home for them!

thanks jerb, you're a star

Also see it on the Dylan Harvey website - Its called fresh

http://www.dylanharvey.com/

Also see it on the Dylan Harvey website - Its called fresh

http://www.dylanharvey.com/

Thanks Legin...

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Yes thanks Legin. Am I the only one to notice this? 'Fresh' would appear to have three phases. The first one is on site fronting Chapel Street and the other two are subject to planning. They have included indicative images of phases 2 and 3 on the website showing some sort of substantial tower fronting Trinity Way (inner ring road).

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Rather a weird place to put a tower of this sort of height. Id bet this looks substantially different when it come out in the wash.

What the hell?! :eek:
That looks bloody massive, and its got curves!

Great find our Sleeps,,it must be 30 storey at least,if im right there is only a couple of industrial units on the site atm ,,bring it on :cheers:

Accy , please tell me that is not you on your avatar :laugh:

Sadly not :(

yeh! that looks awesome, nice one sleeps. Mint!

Yes thanks Legin. Am I the only one to notice this? 'Fresh' would appear to have three phases. The first one is on site fronting Chapel Street and the other two are subject to planning. They have included indicative images of phases 2 and 3 on the website showing some sort of substantial tower fronting Trinity Way (inner ring road).

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Rather a weird place to put a tower of this sort of height. Id bet this looks substantially different when it come out in the wash.
i like that tower alot, it looks like a kind of hybrid of alexandra and beetham west , itl give salford more of a skyline and a refreshing change from the more square style towers i really hope this gets built

/\ that's about 40 floors that.

WOW!
I count 40 stories! :eek2:

Edit: Beaten by KITR

Unfortunately it reminds me of new towers built or being built in Leeds and Liverpool.

No thanks!

Unfortunately it reminds me of new towers built or being built in Leeds and Liverpool.

No thanks!

Do you not think the shape is fantastic? I think this sort of residential would compliment the 'slab' residentials going up in the area very well. It kinda 'pierces' the roofs, if you know what i mean.

Crowngate may echo this design too maybe?

on the Fresh website it says it will be clad in stainless steel

Eyesore removed for homes

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THE £500m regeneration of Salford's Lower Broughton has taken a step forward with the clearing of an eyesore.

A large school in Duke Street is the latest redundant building demolished under the scheme, which will create more than 3,500 homes and a range of retail, leisure and community facilities.

Manchester-based demolition specialist is knocking down the school in an eight-week contract.

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The firm was awarded the deal by Urban Vision Partnership, working for Salford city council, following a competitive tender.

http://www.jfreeley.ltd.uk/

That ipfreeley website is interesting - although the demo boys are 'the enemy' i do find it quite fascinating.
I do however shudder when i see the words 'regeneration' and 'Salford' in the same sentence. You can guarantee the next sentence will have the word 'demolition' in it, closely followed by one of the following words- homes/schools/hospitals/ historic buildings/ listed cinemas/ communities!

You can guarantee the next sentence will have the word 'demolition' in it, closely followed by one of the following words- homes/schools/hospitals/ historic buildings/ listed cinemas/ communities!

and crack.

THE £500m regeneration of Salford's Lower Broughton has taken a step forward with the clearing of an eyesore.

Have we got a Lower Broughton thread. We'll need one soon....
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Elton John's rocket tower still stands proud!

Is that your castlefield tower?

yeh, I keep meaning to take it out. It's grown on me though (well its been there for a few years to be honest)... I might keep it in forever. :)

May have been seen before? Article from last November. Taken from Property Week.

Salford’s saviour

Keen to shake off its poor reputation, Salford has a masterplan that many hope will help it compete with Manchester.

Salford may have attracted derision in the past, but Manchester’s poor relation is keen to shed its image as a run-down regional town.

A masterplan launched in September is set to make Salford the ‘most beautiful part of Greater Manchester’. Covering 4,940 acres (2,000 ha), home to 72,000 people and with an unenviable reputation to shake off, the city is looking to the Central Salford urban regeneration company for a brighter future.

But it remains to be seen whether the URC, set up in January by Salford City Council, Northwest Regional Development Agency and English Partnerships, will be able to create a new town that can both compete with and complement Manchester.

All change

The masterplan includes realigning and narrowing the confusing road system and focusing more attention on the river Irwell, as many older buildings in Salford have their backs to it. It also includes the construction of office, residential and retail developments across the city, including Ask’s Exchange Greengate mixed-use scheme and the development of Salford’s corporate centre.

Bill Skilki, acting chief executive of Central Salford URC, is excited about the plans. He wants to get the ‘big boys in’ to realise Salford’s vision and to create what he dubs a ‘bohemian new town with a commercial heart’. He understands what the problems are: ‘We’re not getting enough major players in. The market will decide what gets built. No matter how detailed our plans, it is still a loose framework and we are not precious about other people’s ideas.’

One early fillip to the plans is the news that the BBC has shortlisted two sites in Salford, one of which is Peel Holdings’ 37 acre (15 ha) Quays Point, in readiness for its possible move north. If the broadcaster chooses the city, the URC is prepared to provide facilities that it and other production companies could use.

The URC wants investment into Salford to be directed at establishing a strong central area and the first focus will be on improving Chapel Street and the Crescent, a stretch that will include Exchange Greengate, an improved Crescent Station and the creation of Green space at the Meadows park. But the URC has also called for a focus on the corporate office market and on investment that finances the growth of Manchester city centre, which encourages development to expand across the river to the Central Station area of Salford.

The second stage of development will concentrate on the Central Station area, which the URC hopes will become established as central Salford’s corporate centre and lure developments across the water from Allied London’s Spinningfields.

Skilki says Spinningfields, the 2.37m sq ft (220,178 sq m) office development which extends from Deansgate in west Manchester to the river, has been a huge catalyst for Salford. ‘The tremendous potential of the area is coming alive because the success of Manchester city centre and Spinningfields has made it viable. Exchange Greengate isn’t trying to compete with it but wants to complement it.’ David Chilton, senior regeneration manager at English Partnerships, agrees. He sees Salford as a western gateway to central Manchester, but wants it to have its own sense of identity.

But not all developers and agents are convinced the city can pull off such ambitious plans. Peter Gallagher, executive director and head of agency in the north-west at Dunlop Haywards, says Salford has challenges ahead. ‘The Salford market has a way to mature and the city has no real heart – the admin, business and retail districts are all far from each other.’

The city does not have the same cachet as Manchester, he argues. ‘It has an unfair reputation for crime and although Spinningfields has exerted an influence over Salford, it remains to be seen if it can cross the water.’

But other agents say tenants who were once considering south Manchester are now looking at crossing the Irwell. ‘Salford Quays has now surpassed south Manchester in value for the first time because of accessibility, infrastructure and availability but now there’s a possible shortage of grade A stock in Salford,’ says Graeme Wood, partner at Knight Frank. ‘There’s a groundswell of feeling that Salford’s having its time,’ he adds.

Wood also believes that Ask’s £50m, 3m sq ft (278,706 sq m) Exchange Greengate scheme will be well received by the market because of its large floorplates and accessibility (the site is a few hundred metres away from Manchester’s Harvey Nichols and Manchester Cathedral). It will include 400,000 sq ft (37,160 sq m) of grade A offices, 400,000-600,000 sq ft (37,160-55,741 sq m) of housing and 20,000-30,000 sq ft (1,858-2,787 sq m) of retail and leisure developments.

Ask hopes to submit a planning document within the next three months for Exchange Greengate. John Hughes, development director at Ask, says Spinningfields started what Ask is trying to continue. ‘Exchange Greengate will also use the river as a feature and will bridge the gap between the smaller office occupiers of Chapel Street corridor and those who would otherwise go to Spinningfields.’ Hughes sees the regeneration of Salford as a refocusing of Manchester’s city centre towards the west.

Finishing the job

Exchange Greengate is not the only development on the horizon in Salford.

Oxford-based Panamint’s Victoria Warehouse may technically be in Manchester but will act as a gateway from Manchester United’s Old Trafford stadium and Salford Quays. It has not yet applied for planning consent for the 500,000 sq ft (46,451 sq m) development will include 150,000 sq ft (13,935 sq m) offices, 211-bed hotel and 400 flats.

Valley & Vale and Beaupere Castle are also in the final stages of a masterplan that will go towards a planning document for a 22 acre (8.91 ha) joint venture called Middlewood Docks, overlooking the Irwell. Outline plans include 500,000 sq ft (46,451 sq m) of residential, hotel and leisure space and Valley & Vale plan to develop offices later.

Developer Dandara, which has moved its headquarters to Salford, has submitted planning for a 36-storey block of flats to accompany three other residential blocks in the Chapel Wharf area.

Developer Nikal won planning consent in September for a £60m mixed-use scheme in Sillivan Way that will feature 50,000 sq ft (4,645 sq m) of offices, 5,000 sq ft (464 sq m) of retail and 405 flats.

Jonny Wrigley, development director at Nikal, claims rental levels in Salford have not hit the high that would kick-start speculative office developments but says interest has been raised since the URC released the masterplan.

Speculative developments might seem risky but a year ago Ebay chose Dublin over Salford Quay’s Lighthouse because the development was not ready in time and there was a dearth of office space in the city.

Looks like a 27 storey building planned for salford.

It's a hefty planning application but plenty of photos.

http://www2.salford.gov.uk/docs/52882.pdf



Also on a seprate note, i got a planning notification for a development on Ordsall lane where there is currently a load of shabby industrial units. The site is next to the McDonalds and opposite Vie. It includes a 20 storey and 10 storey building. Planning application isn't on the website yet though

Another big development for Salford/Ordsall just gone in.

437 apartments. Add that to Chapel Wharf and Fresh and your looking at 2000 apartments. How the F*** are these developers going to sell all these apartments? Absolutely potty.

Reference: 06/52903/FUL
Decision Level: COMM
Applicant name: Countryside Properties (Northern) Ltd
Ward: Ordsall
Grid Reference: 382463 397568
Case Officer: Kurt Partington
Telephone: 0161 779 4839
Location: Land Bounded By Ordsall Lane, Derwent Street, South Hall Street And River Irwell Salford M5 4SZ
Proposal: Demolition of existing industrial units and erection of part 4/5/7/10/20 storey mixed use development comprising 437 one and two bed residential apartments and commercial office (Class B1) with undercroft and
ground floor level car parking together with associated landscaping and construction of new and alteration to existing vehicular and pedestrian accesses

http://www.salford.gov.uk/planninglist-archive?id=65563

Cheers jrb,

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Yet more towers for central salford

So this is just opposte the river to st georges island development, right next to kfc/mc d's :sly:

What I want to know rather is how the hell are they going to sell so many 1 & 2 bed apartments that don't have enough room to swing a cat in. Where is the need?

The two bed penthouses in Beetham are about the same size as my 3 bed apartment (1 double and two single rooms), the two bed apartments must be about half the size. Christ knows how much they cost, yes they get a great view, but bloody hell.

What does one of these 2 beds cost on say the 4th floor in a building like this one gone in for planning in Salford? 90 grand at least, for what, 50sq metres?

Cheers jrb,

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Yet more towers for central salford

yawn!

Doesn't appear to be anythin special does it!?

Countryside Properties?
Cuntryside Ploperties!

yawn!

Doesn't appear to be anythin special does it!?

No, it wouldn't would it? It's an apartment block.

Ground floor office space all along the ordsall lane side. Should add a bit of life hopefully

Another big development for Salford/Ordsall just gone in.

437 apartments. Add that to Chapel Wharf and Fresh and your looking at 2000 apartments. How the F*** are these developers going to sell all these apartments? Absolutely potty.

Reference: 06/52903/FUL
Decision Level: COMM
Applicant name: Countryside Properties (Northern) Ltd
Ward: Ordsall
Grid Reference: 382463 397568
Case Officer: Kurt Partington
Telephone: 0161 779 4839
Location: Land Bounded By Ordsall Lane, Derwent Street, South Hall Street And River Irwell Salford M5 4SZ
Proposal: Demolition of existing industrial units and erection of part 4/5/7/10/20 storey mixed use development comprising 437 one and two bed residential apartments and commercial office (Class B1) with undercroft and
ground floor level car parking together with associated landscaping and construction of new and alteration to existing vehicular and pedestrian accesses

http://www.salford.gov.uk/planninglist-archive?id=65563

This site is under the 'webbaviation' on the bottom right:
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Also note the empty site above the webbaviation top left - 13 storey Peel Holdings job.

I noticed the other day when travelling down Chester Road, that there is a sign up next to the new(ish) KFC stating that Harry Ramsdens is on it's way. This should allow the existing building to be demolished for the new residential block planned for the site.

The latest plans to transform a landmark building into apartments have fallen flat. The Brown Brothers building, which dates back to 1876, stands on the gateway to Manchester City Centre, in the heart of Salford's Chapel Street regeneration area. Salford Council has boasted about the potential of the area, by covering the building in a huge advert saying 'Great ideas grow in Salford'.

It had been expected that the building- which has been a brewery, a jam factory and a carpet warehouse - would play an key role in the renaissance of the the Chapel Street area and the A6 corridor,

It was acquired in 1999 by IDEA Ltd (Innovation in Digital and Electronic Arts) and in 2004 planning permission was given for a multimedia training centre, creche, coffee bar, workspace and 21 apartments. But a bank has repossessed the building and Manchester-based Eddisons have been appointed as receivers. It is now back on the market for 1.5m

Eddisons spokesperson Rupert Lowe said: " We are inviting informal tenders by noon on June 15 and we have so far had 40 serious expressions of interest. We have also held useful meetings with the council, who would like to see it have some commercial use." Possibilities include a hotel, offices, or a restaurant and bar. Mr Lowe said: "They want to see it brought back to life. It is not listed, but the council owns some land next door, which could be useful to any development." In 1997, after the building had stood empty for years, businessman Wasim Akhtar bought it for £500,000. He had lavish plans to turn it into a high-fashion department store, but council planners blocked the idea.

I noticed the other day when travelling down Chester Road, that there is a sign up next to the new(ish) KFC stating that Harry Ramsdens is on it's way. This should allow the existing building to be demolished for the new residential block planned for the site.

I thought the new resi block was going on the Bathroom showroom type shop. Harry Ramsdens has to stay!

The latest plans to transform a landmark building into apartments have fallen flat. The Brown Brothers building, which dates back to 1876, stands on the gateway to Manchester City Centre, in the heart of Salford's Chapel Street regeneration area. Salford Council has boasted about the potential of the area, by covering the building in a huge advert saying 'Great ideas grow in Salford'.

It had been expected that the building- which has been a brewery, a jam factory and a carpet warehouse - would play an key role in the renaissance of the the Chapel Street area and the A6 corridor,

It was acquired in 1999 by IDEA Ltd (Innovation in Digital and Electronic Arts) and in 2004 planning permission was given for a multimedia training centre, creche, coffee bar, workspace and 21 apartments. But a bank has repossessed the building and Manchester-based Eddisons have been appointed as receivers. It is now back on the market for 1.5m

Eddisons spokesperson Rupert Lowe said: " We are inviting informal tenders by noon on June 15 and we have so far had 40 serious expressions of interest. We have also held useful meetings with the council, who would like to see it have some commercial use." Possibilities include a hotel, offices, or a restaurant and bar. Mr Lowe said: "They want to see it brought back to life. It is not listed, but the council owns some land next door, which could be useful to any development." In 1997, after the building had stood empty for years, businessman Wasim Akhtar bought it for £500,000. He had lavish plans to turn it into a high-fashion department store, but council planners blocked the idea.

Expect a 'mysterious' fire here very soon!

Expect a 'mysterious' fire here very soon!

he he, true.

Check out the video:

http://www.godwat.com/salford.html

nice one Markydee, nice development this, even the new builds look pretty good.

Sillivan Way , Chapel St

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/100_0898.jpg

Hey, thats shaping up pretty well :) Ta H :D

From todays Homes in the MEN.



High time for change
Jill Burdett

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SALFORD: All changeTOWER blocks, once concrete monuments to social dereliction, have been undergoing an image change.

Developers desperate for sites and the need to provide affordable accommodation have started to realise that many of the blocks are in good locations, are basically sound and are ripe for renovation.

LPC Living led the way, transforming empty, vandalised blocks at Wythenshawe, Blackley and on Rochdale Road in Manchester. Urban Splash are about to start work on three more on Rochdale Road to be named after the Pankhurst sisters.

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Now two empty blocks in Salford have been put on the market and look likely to get the same treatment.

Built by Salford council in the 1970s they were soon abandoned by tenants. In 1995 they were given a basic refurbishment and turned into student accommodation.

At one time almost 800 students lived in the two blocks just off the East Lancs Road and near Salford University. Now they are no longer needed and student accommodation specialist Unite has decided to sell them off with a guide price of £3.5m.

Potential

The potential is obvious. The blocks are on a main route into Manchester, a short walk from the Crescent train station and while at the moment the area is not that pretty it is about to get a multi-million pound makeover.

The serried ranks of red-brick terraces just behind are part of Urban Splash's innovative Chimney Pot Park of upside down houses, but perhaps even more crucially the actual infrastructure of the area is about to undergo a huge change with major plans for the nearby Salford Shopping City. The bleak parade of shops currently serving the community are likely to make way for a village-style superstore that would completely change the feel and facilities of the area.

According to John Broadbent, from selling agent Knight Frank, some big-name developers are already showing an interest.

He said: "You just have to look at the amount of investment going on around here to see that the whole feel of the area is changing and there is huge potential.

"I think the market here would be for affordable starter homes, definitely under £100,000, probably with some sort of shared equity to create homes for young people who want to get on to the property ladder and be near to the city centre, but cannot afford to live right at its heart.

"The location is good, five minutes from the city centre, close to Salford University and with good public transport and the apartments here will have some amazing views.

"That's often what people forget about these old blocks, you get better views than from many apartments you could have paid four or five times more for."

Unite are holding on to the third block of the trio, but a deal on the other two is likely by the early autumn and work could start on ripping out the old fittings and stripping them back to their core by the end of the year.

I hope their optimism pays off. Im quite familiar with that area and its a dump. Ive been in that middle block "Fitzwarren Court"(in the pic) many times and they are sound, clean even, or they were, the flats are also a really good size. Its a shame the area is full of chavy scumbags roaming around.

Good that even more blocks are being done up. Some are a real blight. The entire surrounding area needs bringing up as well though:
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/481RosehillCourt_pic2.jpg

I think it was one of those blocks that a guy jumped out of in the early 90s. Top floor, landed on a car and walked away. His drunken state meant he didn't tense up upon landing and protected himself. :scouserd:

[/QUOTE]I think it was one of those blocks that a guy jumped out of in the early 90s. Top floor, landed on a car and walked away. His drunken state meant he didn't tense up upon landing and protected himself. :scouserd:[/QUOTE]

I remember that! He fell about 200 feet and had a few cuts and bruises and just walked away! I think it was one of the red blocks though close to Mc donalds

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ContentResources/659.$plit/C_17_Articles_217828_BodyWeb_Detail_0_Image.jpg

You'd have to be mad or desparate to chose to live round Salford Precinct. It's scallyville * 1,000. You'd be completely surrounded by nothing but scallies 24/7. It's not like the new developments in Ordsall, where you've gota rough estate adjacent but lots of other new stuff too and a stone's throw from town; at salfod precinct you're right in the very thick of it - with long walks (more likely runs) through scallydom before you could get back to civilisation. Anyone buying there would soon learn to regret it. It's the no1 sink estate of any estate within 10 miles of the city centre.

Here are some images of salford central station after it's been done up - which is currently underway.

http://www.infinite3d.co.uk/images/portfoli/ps-scs.jpg

http://www.infinite3d.co.uk/images/large/salcen_1.jpg

Massive improvement :)

Here are some images of salford central station after it's been done up - which is currently underway.

http://www.infinite3d.co.uk/images/large/salcen_1.jpg

Agreed that's going to look super. I like the glass tunnel, that will link fairly closely with the new bridge over to Spinningfields.

Great stuff. I thing it's make a huge diffrence to Salford and that side of town.

Cant wait to have a pint in the Egerton once it's all done.

(did i mention that it's a Holt's pub) mmmmmmmm

Good innit :yes: - Although, i didn't see that bridge on the planning appication.

Good innit :yes: - Although, i didn't see that bridge on the planning appication.

The Bridge is the one that Allied London are doing- the one that will curve across the Irwell and under the Leftbank apartments. :)

The station really needs those improvements. A few weeks ago the ramp to one of the platforms collapsed and there now just a temp one in!
When we moved offices into Hardman Boulevard we were told there would be a direct link via a bridge to the station, so it looks like that's going ahead. :cucumber:

Here are some images of salford central station after it's been done up - which is currently underway.

http://www.infinite3d.co.uk/images/portfoli/ps-scs.jpg

http://www.infinite3d.co.uk/images/large/salcen_1.jpg

That is superb, still think its slightly wasted without the completion of the Castlefield curve. Imagine Salford Central's useage if that was ever to be built.....and Victoria's for that matter

Anyway, top notch none the less

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ewm/ic5/69.jpg

That design looks so fitting, very well designed

Only concern is with the glass. If it ends up anything like the glass at victoria :runaway:

Does anyone know much about the glass extension to the footbridge over the tracks? Looks to vanish off in the Spinningfields direction, but does it link to a building, slope down to ground, or finish with a lift and some stairs? Will certainly open up peoples perceived commute options when its all done, curve or not.

From the NorthWest Development Agency website:

Four million pound boost for Salford’s economy
26 July 2006


Newlands, the Northwest Regional Development Agency-funded regeneration scheme has granted more than four million pounds to create and manage what will become one of Europe’s largest parks in Salford, Greater Manchester.

The Lower Irwell Valley Improvement Area (LIVIA) is the site chosen for investment under Newlands - which has been billed as land regeneration for the 21st Century because of its focus on the economic and social benefits that can be delivered through environmental improvements.
LIVIA is situated in North Salford and also encompasses part of the Prestwich district of Bury Metropolitan Council.

Currently classified as brownfield land, regeneration of the 97-hectare site aims to capitalise on the critical mass of economic and social investments taking place in the area.

The LIVIA project will help to attract business investment to Agecroft Commerce Park and Clifton Industrial Estate. Newlands’ cash will also be a real boost to the nearby New Deal for Communities areas of Charlestown and Lower Kersal, as well as the adjacent wards of Pendleton and St Mary’s.

Homes overlooking the site as well as people travelling on the nearby Manchester Outer Ring Road (M60) and the mainline rail routes serving Manchester and Salford are also set to benefit from a green makeover of LIVIA that will in time result in increased commercial and residential land values.

LIVIA’s development will add value to the Northern Way Growth Corridor and the City Region of Manchester, and it’s programme of significant environmental improvements will contribute to Central Salford Urban Regeneration Company’s vision to transform the area into the most beautiful part of Greater Manchester.

The LIVIA project will have a dramatic impact on perceptions of the whole area, as the regeneration will unite a series of smaller environmental improvements that have taken place over the last few years - such as United Utilities’ rejuvenation of the reclaimed wastewater treatment works, work around Forest Bank Prison and Persimmon Homes’ regeneration of the area around the redundant Agecroft Power Station. By linking all these smaller areas into one cohesive parkland that is well managed for the first time by a single agency, the impact will be dramatic.

Following extensive consultation with the community, local agencies and businesses, the LIVIA project will include a range of natural and physical amenities that aims for greater participation in healthy lifestyle activities.

Once completed, LIVIA will have sculpture trails, outdoor classrooms, informal play areas and a mountain bike course.

The new and reclaimed access paths and cycle routes will also link up new housing developments being built close to the site as well as local schools, community buildings and work premises.

With the accolade of being one of Europe’s largest parks, and located within Red Rose Forest, the LIVIA project aims to provide a valuable and integrated urban countryside for people across Greater Manchester and beyond.

Newlands’ preservation of the site’s pre and post-industrial ecological habitats will make a significant contribution to Greater Manchester’s Biodiversity Action Plan targets and Red Rose Forest’s objectives.

The LIVIA project will be managed by the Forestry Commission with improvements and community consultation undertaken by its partners; Groundwork, Red Rose Forest and Salford City Council. To support the area’s over arching aims, additional funding has been secured from Salford City Council, Environment Agency and the Coalfield Communities Fund.

The NWDA investment will secure a 20-year programme of site management at LIVIA. The Forestry Commission will manage it thereafter from its own resources, to ensure the project’s initial benefits are sustained and the outcome is a sustainable one for the local community.

LIVIA, as well as several other areas of brownfield land across the region were carefully chosen following an intensive land survey, which used region-wide aerial photography to highlight the Northwest’s areas of derelict, underused and neglected (DUN) land.

Using a Public Benefit Recording System (PBRS), designed to measure the public benefit that can be achieved through regeneration, all the DUN sites identified were assessed according to social, economic and environmental factors. The sites chosen offer the greatest potential for impact with regards to the priorities of the Regional Economic Strategy.

Steven Broomhead, NWDA Chief Executive, said:

“This major investment will revitalise a key gateway site linking Salford to Manchester and create fantastic new asset for the area, which will support the aims of Central Salford Urban Regeneration Company in delivering real and lasting economic change for Salford. LIVIA is the largest of all Phase One sites chosen for redevelopment under the Newlands scheme and the challenge of transforming this area from a brownfield site to a community woodland is an inspiring project for everyone involved.”

For more information, images, request for interview and/or to visit the site, please contact:
Claire Rajah, Faith Ashworth or Steve Connor at Creative Concern
Tel: 0161 236 0600

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Notes to editors
• Newlands stands for New Economic Environments through Woodlands.
• The long-term investment for Newlands is £4,745,502
• A city park is loosely defined as an area designated for people living in urban settlements to visit and enjoy recreation in a natural countryside environment, without having to go into a rural setting.
• A brownfield site is any land or premises that has previously been used and is not currently fully in use, although it may be partially occupied or utilised. It may also be vacant, derelict or contaminated. A brownfield site is not necessarily available for immediate use without intervention.
• Using aerial photography, the National Land Use Database and/or Unitary Development Plans, the DUN Survey which formed the basis for the selection of the first seven Newlands sites found an astonishing 3,800 DUN sites of more than one hectare across the Northwest and of this amount, 1,600 were highlighted as a brownfield sites.
• The Public Benefit Recording System (PBRS) uses a range of social, economic and environmental factors from proximity to a transport corridor or Sites of Special Scientific Interest (SSSIs) to a sites location to schools. It has won widespread approval across wider government and has already been used to tackle a number of other regeneration or development challenges.
• Woodland cover across the Northwest currently stands at just 6.5% compared with the national average of 8% and an European average of 33%
• The LIVIA project partners are the Forestry Commission, Salford City Council, Groundwork Salford and Trafford, Red Rose Forest, Mersey Basin Campaign.
• LIVIA is close to the M60/62 ring road around Manchester and Salford and is visible form the rail route north from Manchester to Bolton and is linked to Prestwich Forest and Clifton County Park.

Saw this on Channel M news. Sounds pretty good :yes:

Salford's 'Central Park'

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LIVIA as it looks today

SALFORD is to get its own version of New York's Central Park.

Almost £5m is to be spent turning 240 acres of land into an urban oasis similar to that in the Big Apple. The Lower Irwell Valley Improvement Area, (LIVIA) which also covers parts of Prestwich, in Bury, has been chosen for the scheme.

The money will come from the North West Development Agency.

The park will have sculpture trails, play areas, outdoor classrooms and a mountain-bike course. New footpaths and cycle routes will link up with homes and schools.

Wildflower meadows will flourish in the Silverdale area of Clifton, where trees will be planted. Paths will be created and Queensmere Lake will be improved. It is hoped the new facilities will encourage people to take up healthy lifestyle activities.

And while it will take decades for the area to mature as one of Europe's largest parks changes should be visible by next spring.

The site is currently classed as `brownfield' and is a mix of vacant and former industrial land .

The NWDA is providing £4.7m, which will enable the park to be managed for 20 years. After that the Forestry Commission will manage it, using its own resources.

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Artist impressions of how the LIVIA will look

The initiative will unite a number of small environmental improvements, which have taken place over the last few years.

These include United Utilities' sprucing up of land around a reclaimed wastewater treatment works; landscaping around Forest Bank Prison at Agecroft and regeneration of land around new homes on the site of the former Agecroft Power Station.

The development is part of Newlands, a £23m scheme by the NWDA and the Forestry Commission to transform vast swathes of neglected and derelict land into thriving community woodland.

Other sites include Moston Vale, in Manchester, and Bidston Moss, near St Helens. The Salford scheme is the third.

Extra funding will come from Salford council, the Environment Agency and the Coalfield Communities Fund.

Steven Broomhead, NWDA chief executive, said: "This major investment will revitalise a key site and create a fantastic new asset for the area."

Coun John Merry, leader of Salford council, said: "LIVIA shows that regeneration is so much more than being creative with bricks and mortar."

:| Is that the Evening News saying Central Park?

Could someone give me an idea exactly where this park will be? It doesn't sound too central really, parts of Prestwich?

How about a positive word once in a while towards Salford Roly?

You can't say "that's great" can you? Just rather bitch about something the MEN say. I'm starting to think that you are a typical Manc, shame really.

He's a Manc thru and thru weastie. :)
BTW did you hear about the Adelphi Lads Club burning down? Was that your sort of thing growing up?

How about a positive word once in a while towards Salford Roly?

You can't say "that's great" can you? Just rather bitch about something the MEN say. I'm starting to think that you are a typical Manc, shame really.

Blimey, chill out Weastie..you know what the MEN is like...I've nothing against Salford getting this spanking new park, I'd love it..to me Salford IS Manchester whatever way people care to look at it...sorry if I gave you the impression I wasn't happy about it..just think the MEN go over the top whether it's Salford or Manchester, they suck a big one.

Where will it be? Anyone?

Where will it be? Anyone?

Round here i'm presuming rolycroft:
http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=53.517425,-2.305455&spn=0.011789,0.025749&t=h&om=1

Got ya

A couple of interesting facts here guys.... at least I thought so!

Heaton Park is 640acres

Hyde Park is 350 Acres
Regents Park is 410 Acres
Green Park is 47 Acres
St. James Park is 58 Acres

So there you go! I didn't realise Heaton was bigger- let alone by that much!!, or that Regents was bigger than Hyde. By the way this isn't an attempt at 'my garden is bigger than yours'. Just found it interesting after a weekend trip to the capital.

BTW Central Park in New York is 843 acres!!!

Whilst i'm at it and in case you're interested, the Thames is 265m wide. (at London Bridge)- bit more than I had guesstimated.

The Santiago Calatrava Bridge- the white one outside the Lowry Hotel- is 80metres long but much of that doesn't cover the river as I remember.

That is interesting g-man, cheers.

I not familiar with much of Salford. I've had a look on the map (cheers Longy). Its not as central as I'd have hoped but I think this is a great idea. I bet there are more places round Salford that would be good to be converted to parks. Even if it is deemed as temporary until someone wants to build on it.

I see a train line runs though/by it. How accessbile would this area be to public transport? If you want to make an important new park its got to be easy to get to for those that don't live in the area. Having to get a number 'god-knows' bus from a bus stop at 'god-knows' where is not good enough (I don't have a car but neither do tourists).

5 million doesn't seem much money though. I'm not big on green things but I remember garden centres being a rip off so how much is this likely to get done on a park so big? What's there at the moment?

If they are going to do it and it really is going to benefit a lot of people and be a major Salford selling point (which it could be), they should not do a half-arsed job of it. It needs to get a good reputation from day one and the best way to do this is to close it off while the grass grows and have a grand opening when much of it is complete. If they do it in little bits it will look crap at the start and get reputation for being crap, and that will prove very difficult to loose.

Reference: 06/53168/OUT
Decision Level: COMM
Applicant name: Peel Media Ltd
Ward: Ordsall
Grid Reference: 380194 397385
Case Officer: Miss Alison Kershaw
Telephone: 0161 779 4833

Location: Land At Quay Point Off Broadway Salford Quays Salford
Proposal: Outline application to include siting and means of access in respect of the redevelopment of 14.4 hectares of land to provide mixed use development comprising business, studios and production space, residential, live/work units, retail (including shops, financial and professional services, restaurants and cafes, drinking establishments and hot food takeaways), hotel and leisure together with associated car parking, highway works and open space


Found this interesting piece of information/diagrams in the above planning application.

Don't know that at all. Can anyone pin point it for me? Cheers.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/salford4.jpg

Just above the Media City application.

http://www.salford.gov.uk/planninglist-archive?id=67835

Surely the big news is that Mrs Joyce Ribble of 51 Beanfields Worsley M28 2PJ is having to prune one pine!
http://www.salford.gov.uk/53163.pdf
Fuck media city!
This is where the action is.
Can we open a new thread about Mrs Ribble's pine?

Surely the big news is that Mrs Joyce Ribble of 51 Beanfields Worsley M28 2PJ is having to prune one pine!
http://www.salford.gov.uk/53163.pdf
Fuck media city!
This is where the action is.
Can we open a new thread about Mrs Ribble's pine?

Longford have you been drinking?

Only Vimto!

A couple of interesting facts here guys.... at least I thought so!

Heaton Park is 640acres

Hyde Park is 350 Acres
Regents Park is 410 Acres
Green Park is 47 Acres
St. James Park is 58 Acres

So there you go! I didn't realise Heaton was bigger- let alone by that much!!, or that Regents was bigger than Hyde. By the way this isn't an attempt at 'my garden is bigger than yours'. Just found it interesting after a weekend trip to the capital.

BTW Central Park in New York is 843 acres!!!

Whilst i'm at it and in case you're interested, the Thames is 265m wide. (at London Bridge)- bit more than I had guesstimated.

The Santiago Calatrava Bridge- the white one outside the Lowry Hotel- is 80metres long but much of that doesn't cover the river as I remember.

Regent's Park is bigger than Hyde Park but it isn't bigger than Hyde Park/Kensington Gardens which is over 600 acres and really one continuous park split by the road which crosses the Serpantine.

It's easy to forget that Kensington Gardens is classed as a separate park.

Only Vimto!

God i love still Vimto with loads of ice its all i drink!

Surely the big news is that Mrs Joyce Ribble of 51 Beanfields Worsley M28 2PJ is having to prune one pine!
http://www.salford.gov.uk/53163.pdf
Fuck media city!
This is where the action is.
Can we open a new thread about Mrs Ribble's pine?

Good to see Salford have kept their planning application forms up to date. Remind me how long ago was it that Tony Struthers retired?

http://www.egi.co.uk/webpics/cmspics/34618.JPG

Liverpool-based Space Developments has submitted plans for a 77-unit residential scheme in Salford, Greater Manchester.

The £10m scheme is designed by architect HKR and is the first planning application for the firm's Manchester office.

The development is on the site of a former factory at the junction of Springfield Lane and Dean Road, within the Chapel Street regeneration area.

It contains car parking at ground floor level with four and five storeys of residential above and five private gardens at first floor level.

A decision on planning is expected in the autumn.

http://www.egi.co.uk/webpics/cmspics/34618.JPG

Liverpool-based Space Developments has submitted plans for a 77-unit residential scheme in Salford, Greater Manchester.

The £10m scheme is designed by architect HKR and is the first planning application for the firm's Manchester office.

The development is on the site of a former factory at the junction of Springfield Lane and Dean Road, within the Chapel Street regeneration area.

It contains car parking at ground floor level with four and five storeys of residential above and five private gardens at first floor level.

A decision on planning is expected in the autumn.


This is right next too my flat. They came and stuck a 'bought for re-development' sign on the old factory that stands there now a couple of weeks ago.

If you look at the above picture, the other side of the road is where the beach complex and Urban Splash development is supposed to be, its still wasteland at the moment though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/sal5-1.jpg

http://www.trisalford2010.info/

Thanks Marky, I like the look of that. Im glad Space have seen fit to remove architects Falconer Chester from their Manchester schemes. They dumped some really dire schemes on the city (in contrast to some of their work in native Liverpool). Lazy and unprofessional.

Four residential applications submmited last week.

Reference: 06/53281/REM
Decision Level: COMM
Applicant name: Countryside Properties UK Ltd
Ward: Broughton
Grid Reference: 382861 399673
Case Officer: Miss Alison Kershaw
Telephone: 0161 779 4833
Location: Land Bounded By Camp Street, Great Clowes Street, Lower Broughton Road And Holt Street Salford 7
Proposal: Details of the siting, design, external appearance, means of access and landscaping in relation to the erection of 121 houses and 311 apartments (in four blocks - a 5 storey apartment building known as Block A, 2 and 3 storey houses with 3 and 4 storey apartments known as Blocks B&C, 2 and 3 storey houses with 4 storey apartments known as Block D together with mixed use development in a nine and half storey building known as Block F comprising residential development and a mix of community uses (D1), business (B1), retail (A1 A2), cafes and restaurants and public houses (A3,A4 _ A5) and car parking), creation of two sports pitches, public spaces, car parking and ancillary uses together with associated highway and other works

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Reference: 06/53239/OUT
Decision Level: COMM
Applicant name: BFD Property Development Ltd
Ward: Eccles
Grid Reference: 377158 398697
Case Officer: Nancy Thynne
Telephone: 0161 779 4846
Location: British Legion Chadwick Road Eccles M30 0WU
Proposal: Outline planning application for the development of land for residential purposes to include siting and means of access for 50 apartments together with associated car parking

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Reference: 06/53263/REM
Decision Level: COMM
Applicant name: Space Developments UK Ltd
Ward: Irwell Riverside
Grid Reference: 383397 399180
Case Officer: Tim Hartley
Telephone: 0161 779 4835
Location: Land Bounded By Reservoir Street, Half Street, Dean Road And Springfield Lane Salford
Proposal: Details of the siting, design and external appearance of a 5/6 storey building with ground floor car parking comprising 77 apartments together with associated landscaping and construction of new and alteration to existing vehicular access

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Reference: 06/53244/OUT
Decision Level: COMM
Applicant name: Paloma
Ward: Ordsall
Grid Reference: 383588 399041
Case Officer: Tim Hartley
Telephone: 0161 779 4835
Location: Land On Greengate Salford M3 7NS
Proposal: Outline planning application to include siting, design, external appearance and means of access for mixed use development (maximum 22 storey) comprising 219 residential units, 1162 sq.m commercial floorspace and 70 basement car parking spaces

Reference: 06/53239/OUT
Decision Level: COMM
Applicant name: BFD Property Development Ltd
Ward: Eccles
Grid Reference: 377158 398697
Case Officer: Nancy Thynne
Telephone: 0161 779 4846
Location: British Legion Chadwick Road Eccles M30 0WU
Proposal: Outline planning application for the development of land for residential purposes to include siting and means of access for 50 apartments together with associated car parking

I used to go here for my Restart course.
Surely that is reason enough to list this building - at least put a blue plaque on it!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/images/400/log_2.jpg

http://www.egi.co.uk/webpics/cmspics/34618.JPG

Liverpool-based Space Developments has submitted plans for a 77-unit residential scheme in Salford, Greater Manchester.

The £10m scheme is designed by architect HKR and is the first planning application for the firm's Manchester office.

The development is on the site of a former factory at the junction of Springfield Lane and Dean Road, within the Chapel Street regeneration area.

It contains car parking at ground floor level with four and five storeys of residential above and five private gardens at first floor level.

A decision on planning is expected in the autumn.

Renders taken from the planning application.

Note the very vague and intriguing Urban Splash building to the right of the Space residential development on the first render.

Reference: 06/53263/REM
Decision Level: COMM
Applicant name: Space Developments UK Ltd
Ward: Irwell Riverside
Grid Reference: 383397 399180
Case Officer: Tim Hartley
Telephone: 0161 779 4835
Location: Land Bounded By Reservoir Street, Half Street, Dean Road And Springfield Lane Salford
Proposal: Details of the siting, design and external appearance of a 5/6 storey building with ground floor car parking comprising 77 apartments together with associated landscaping and construction of new and alteration to existing vehicular access

http://www.hkrarchitects.com/pdfs/Press1.pdf

http://www.salford.gov.uk/planninglist-archive?id=68508

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/aza.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/azy.jpg

Hey this is really nice ! Like the looks of this a lot, has a great floating effect of the brick facade from the body of the structure. Good for HKR's first Manc attempt, makes me think their Fountain St bid might be better than the rubbish angles we have seen suggest. Surely the Urban Splash is the Beaches development?

4000+ post JRB, putting in the good work with all these exclusives, cheers for keeping us on the ball !

Not sure about ground floor car parking.
Never a good thing IMO.
The quality of the totty seems to have improved round there though (even if they are just virtual!)

A new hospital will be built in Salford as part of a £1.5 billion wave of private investment, the Government has announced.

Some £112 million will go on a new hospital with more single rooms, an enhanced A&E department and three new operating theatres.

But critics said the controversial private financing intiative (PFI) is a "money-making racket" for private companies and represents a waste of money.

Health Minister Andy Burnham said the scheme would lead to new A&E departments as well as cancer and mental health facilities.

"These developments are just part of our commitment to the biggest hospital-building programme in the history of the NHS.

"New facilities like these are replacing inadequate and outdated hospitals across the country.

Under PFI, hospitals are built by private companies, with NHS trusts repaying them over a period of around 25 or 30 years.

The projects have caused deep controversy with some running into severe financial problems.

A total of 58 hospital projects have been completed under PFI with another 30 under construction.

Dont get me started on fucking PFI!
:rant:

I like PFI's ! :)

At the end of the day if someone can afford it and they don't want to wait on an NHS list its their prerogative. I'm not in favour of everything being privately run but if these places take the strain off the NHS then it's not such a bad thing IMO.

I like PFI's ! :)

You fuckin would! :poke:

At the end of the day if someone can afford it and they don't want to wait on an NHS list its their prerogative. I'm not in favour of everything being privately run but if these places take the strain off the NHS then it's not such a bad thing IMO.PFI hospitals are still NHS. They are just built with private money, repaid by the Government over a set time. It's profitable for the developer who might be say, Equion (who I worked for on 3 hospitals in Cheshire)... its a capitalisation issue really. I think the issue over PFI is one of capital running out...

From Laings website:

PFI/PPP Explained

A Public Private Partnership (PPP) is an umbrella term for Government schemes involving the private business sector in public sector projects.
The Private Finance Initiative (PFI) is a form of PPP developed by the Government in which the public and private sectors join to design, build or refurbish, finance and operate (DBFO) new or improved facilities and services to the general public. Under the most common form of PFI, a private sector provider like John Laing will, through a Special Purpose Company (SPC), hold a DBFO contract for facilities such as hospitals, schools, and roads according to specifications provided by public sector departments. Over a typical period of 25-30 years, the private sector provider is paid an agreed monthly (or unitary) fee by the relevant public body (such as a Local Council or a Health Trust) for the use of the asset(s), which at that time is owned by the PFI provider. This and other income enables the repayment of the senior debt over the concession length. (Senior debt is the major source of funding, typically 90% of the required capital, provided by banks or bond finance). Asset ownership usually returns to the public body at the end of the concession. In this manner, improvements to public services can be made without upfront public sector funds; and while under contract, the risks associated with such huge capital commitments are shared between parties, allocated appropriately to those best able to manage each one.

One of the key requirements for PFI schemes is that they offer the public sector value for money (VFM). The Government, and indeed the private sector, demand high quality services, delivered on time and to budget. Historically, major investment projects built purely under public finance have failed time and again to keep within the initial schedule and funding constraints. PFI has proven to be substantially more cost-effective and reliable.

PFI concessions are competitively bid in compliance with EU procurement rules. The private sector consortium chosen as ‘preferred bidder’ (i.e. to whom the contract is ultimately awarded) has incentives to perform to the highest standards throughout the whole of the concession – not only is reputation at stake, but revenues are only earned once the asset is operational, and penalties are given for unsatisfactory performance and results by way of deductions to the governmental monthly fee. Contracts are carefully drawn up at Financial Close to ensure any failings of sub-contractors also carry heavy penalties. Performance is monitored closely at all stages, allowing problems to be rectified before they escalate.

Aye, but I suspect there will always be people willing to pay, there must be a demand for them? I'm assuming funds go back into the Hospitals.

Aye, but I suspect there will always be people willing to pay, there must be a demand for them? I'm assuming funds go back into the Hospitals.GThe developer pays for the build and they recoup their cash by monthly lease back to the Government. After a fixed period the property comes under the ownership of the public sector (government). The leaseback is expensive, but under public sector large scale developments have traditionally sufferred from mismanagement, cash flow, and shoddy labour attitudes.

From the Rhead's website:

PFI/PPP explained:

Fucking corrupt evil vermin scum profitting from other peoples misery and forcing the British taxpayer to pay twice for inferior service.
People died to give us the NHS and PFI pulls down its pants and shits on their graves.

From the Rhead's website:

PFI/PPP explained:

Fucking corrupt evil vermin scum profitting from other peoples misery and forcing the British taxpayer to pay twice for inferior service.
People died to give us the NHS and PFI pulls down its pants and shits on their graves.

Well when you put it like that :eek2:

I'm sure b£mmy sees it differently. :horse:

From the Rhead's website:

PFI/PPP explained:

Fucking corrupt evil vermin scum profitting from other peoples misery and forcing the British taxpayer to pay twice for inferior service.
People died to give us the NHS and PFI pulls down its pants and shits on their graves.

There's plenty of services/projects that would never have seen the light of day without PFI.

If you want to blame anyone, blame the government for undercapitalising the NHS/Police Force/Fiire Services etc... You can't blame a developer for putting in a comptetitive bid for a project that government are incapable of fulfilling....

There's plenty of services/projects that would never have seen the light of day without PFI.

If you want to blame anyone, blame the government for undercapitalising the NHS/Police Force/Fiire Services etc... You can't blame a developer for putting in a comptetitive bid for a project that government are incapable of fulfilling....

I tooooootaaallllly agree.

The developer is only guilty of complicity - its the system i despise.
You may have gathered i'm a bit of a lefty and i expect this sort of cunts trick from the Tories but for Labour to carry it on and in fact increase it strikes right at the heart of my lefty core.
I just really dont understand the advantages of PFI over simply contracting out public sector projects to private contractors to manage and build on a fixed tender.
The government should be responsible for state projects and there should be no profit motivation involved - simple as that. It benefits no one except the contractors shareholders.
There was a time that the big contractors were proud of building state projects and used the kudos to gain other projects - now they just see it as a cash cow.
Evil!

The government should be responsible for state projects and there should be no profit motivation involved - simple as that.

Two words (plus a symbol and a number): Channel Tunnel #1

I think if i read a book every day for the rest of my life about the finances of the Chunnel i still wouldnt understand it!

Even so - are you putting it up as a good example or a bad example?

I was surprised to hear that they are planning a second tunnel! Obviously didnt lose enough money on the first one.

btw - do you use mac at home and where on the keyboard is the 'number' symbol like you used in front of 1?

btw - do you use mac at home and where on the keyboard is the 'number' symbol like you used in front of 1?

I was putting it up as a bad example (the second phase was privately funded. The first #1 phase managed by Government was cancelled after a couple of miles if I remember rightly)

Yes, on a mac its alt 3. ######### alt 3 ! :)

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PFI is a scandal, it is purely motivated by the government wanting improvements to be made in their term, knowing full well that they will be well out of office (probably long dead) by the time its fully paid for and the full cost of their short-sightedness taken into account. They get the political plus points without any of the negatives; on the national accounts it looks like they are spending next to nothing and yet by magic hospitals and school appear.

Unfortunately it doesn’t take strain off the NHS, it massively puts it on; because it is the local health authorities that pay the rent out of there set budgets, not central government.

They should be honest, take out loans, issue bonds, build all these things and more; but why spend £30 billion to build the new MRI hospitals (admittedly that include maintenance and cleaning for 30 years, but still) when the actual cost is more like £2 billion. The Central Manchester PCT fully expects to be bankrupt in 10 years despite all the money being pumped in-because so so much is pissed away on PFI.

for me as an outsider the whole development of the other side of the irwell seems to be an extention of manchester city centre. also salford central station seems to be a manchester city centre station. i know, its not correct, but when i visit manchester and cross the irwell in the city centre i don´t realise that i am in the city of salford. for me its one big city

The wraps have come off this one recently just at the back of Cathederal Arches. Can't believe they have left that street lamp where it is.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d144/legin3/sport096.jpg

Is it my dodgy screen or is the street lamp actually passing through the balcony? Might come in useful in the winter months as a patio heater.

Not a bad building that. And that streetlamp is definitely going through the balcony, they've left a pain of glass out of the balcony fencing.

for me as an outsider the whole development of the other side of the irwell seems to be an extention of manchester city centre. also salford central station seems to be a manchester city centre station. i know, its not correct, but when i visit manchester and cross the irwell in the city centre i don´t realise that i am in the city of salford. for me its one big city

Well Olli, that's because it IS all ONE city. When you walk from St Paul's Cathedral in London to the Strand in Westminster, in theory (and politically) you're moving from one city to another. Yet clearly, you're no less in London on the Strand than you are at St. Pauls. It's exactly the same in Manchester. Manchester's political make up is a mess and the real city of about 1.3 million still left divided up into boroughs really makes no sense. Salford station or this rather piss poor attempt at an apartment block - indeed any part of Salford, Old Trafford, Stretford, Eccles etc. are as much part of Manchester as Westminster Abbey is part of London. It's a very dumb way to still do things in 2006, but England can be a very dumb country sometimes. (I think generally it's mostly that London-based mandarins prefer smaller local authorities - Manchester divided into smaller boroughs makes it less of a challenge to London).

LOL. But I think we're talking about the third balcony up, on the far right, the lamp head being about two feet from it sticking out at a right angle to the building.

They'll probably have the lamps protruding from the building. They may have had to keep them during construction ? Who knows how bureaucracy works.

Might come in useful in the winter months as a patio heater.

High Fi - ever considered a career as an estate agent!

High Fi - ever considered a career as an estate agent!

:hahaha: No chance - Estate agents make me want to :puke:

Reference: 06/53286/FUL
Decision Level: COMM
Applicant name: Miller Homes NW - Inspired Developments
Ward: Kersal
Grid Reference: 381344 401800
Case Officer: Kurt Partington
Telephone: 0161 779 4839
Location: Site Of Former Kersal High School Mesnefield Road Salford M7 3QD
Proposal: New housing development comprising 71 apartments and 159 dwellings together with new access road and associated landscaped open space

http://www2.salford.gov.uk/docs/53286.pdf

Fuck me!
This is actually quite good!

Foreget the fucking mock shit that Miller have tacked on for some reason but this is a dream ticket with PlanitEDC (b4mmy's lot) doing the landscaping and Stephenson Bell doing the houses.
The townhouses are right up my street and do you know what..............?

I'm fucking tempted to move there myself! :eek2:

Hope hospital.

http://watsonassociates.net/images/g19_03.jpg

http://www.srht.nhs.uk/search?q=redevelopment

JRB where did you get that from is that what hope's going to look like?

JRB where did you get that from is that what hope's going to look like?

http://watsonassociates.net Ozzy.

Don't know if that's what Hope will finally look like though. Can't find any further renders.

Business In Salford PDF. August issue.

http://www.salford.gov.uk/business/bas/businessinsalford.htm

Big application gone in this week , any clues ???

The server is down so i cant look at the details


Reference: 06/53452/OUT
Decision Level: COMM
Applicant name: Vanguard Textiles Ltd
Ward: Ordsall
Grid Reference: 381762 396909
Case Officer: Kurt Partington
Telephone: 0161 779 4839
Location: Charles House 325 Ordsall Lane Salford M5 3HP
Proposal: Outline planning application to include layout and means of access for mixed use development to include 50 dwellings, 171 apartments, six live/work units, B1 business use (3600 sq.m) and 370 sq.m leisure floorspace
Submit comments on this application

A new bridge would be nice too.

Anyone know what these are next to the large dock? Possibly them sail buildings.
(Not to be confused with the bad boi sails at dock 9- salford quays)

http://www.treverton.eu/skyscrapercity/aerial%20render.jpg

A decent mix of housing types in that application in line with the new SPD. Outline application only. The basic renders indicate a promising looking development all be it one which I hope will be much refined come submission of reserved matters.

Notice the inclusion of the Pomona Island development in one of the renders, sitting on the Trafford side of the Ship Canal.
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/4324PomonaTower1_pic1.jpg








Yet more Central Salford news. Keep an eye on the planning documents for this important application.


The Manchester market was busy this week.

Property Week

22.09.2006

Ask Property Developments and Network Rail submitted plans for the Exchange, Greengate

Note the bold section.


The board of Central Salford, the government-backed urban regeneration company, will next month discuss a proposed joint venture with English Cities Fund for the first time.

The joint venture would tackle around 20 acres (8 ha) of Chapel Street and Central station, an underused area close to Granada’s key landholding. Any agreement must be signed by 31 December, after which Salford loses its assisted area status under the government’s new rules. Under the terms of its public-private constitution, ECF can only operate in assisted areas. ECF has appointed Urban Initiatives to masterplan the area in anticipation of a positive decision.

Chester Developments has submitted plans to convert a 10 acre (4 ha) site in Eccles, Salford, from a disused industrial area into 300 homes, supported by a wind turbine, rainwater harvesting, solar energy and recycling facilities. Chester Developments is being advised by JWPC Planning Consultants and DS One Architects.

Urban Vision, the Salford-based joint venture between Capita Symonds, Salford City Council and Morrison Construction, which provides planning services to local authorities and private companies, has added to its specialisms with the integration of Greater Manchester Geological Unit (GMGU). Established 20 years ago, the GMGU is located at the University of Manchester’s Environment Centre and provides environmental, geotechnical and planning consultancy for local authorities in Greater Manchester.

Blackfriar's Road.

http://www.irwellvalleyha.co.uk/images/rich_1.doc.jpg

This one is on site and making good progress with the excavations at the moment.

Two more large residential schemes in this weeks planning apps.

Reference: 06/53611/FUL
Decision Level: COMM
Applicant name: David McLean Homes Ltd
Ward: Ordsall
Grid Reference: 381400 397100
Case Officer: Mr Dan Hewitt
Telephone: 0161 779 4837
Location: Land To Rear Of Ordsall Sports Centre Trafford Road Salford
Proposal: Erection of three - part four, part six and part seven storey buildings comprising 178 apartments, hard and soft landscaping, associated car parking and alteration to existing, and construction of new vehicular access

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Reference: 06/53613/FUL
Decision Level: DEL
Applicant name: Prospect (GB) Ltd
Ward: Ordsall
Grid Reference: 380903 397814
Case Officer: Kurt Partington
Telephone: 0161 779 4839
Location: Showmans Guild Site Broadway Salford
Proposal: Erection of three-six storey buildings comprising 180 apartments with variation to condition 6 (landscaping to be carried out within six months) on planning permission 04/48888/FUL

http://www.salford.gov.uk/planninglist-archive?id=72502

/\ nice one jrb, did you not see this one?
...

EDIT: Sorry, Just seen it in the greengate thread

Don't think this render of the proposed University of Salford Arts, Media and Social Sciences Building has been posted yet? Could be wrong though?

http://www.arup.com/IMAGEBANK/image8512.jpg

http://www.arup.com/venues/project.cfm?pageid=8193

This was the original render.

http://www.arup.com/IMAGEBANK/image5958.jpg

http://www.arup.com/europe/newsitem.cfm?pageid=6376

Was that the one for Adelphi St?

Was that the one for Adelphi St?

Not sure to be honest. Why?

/\ Yeh it is, just next to the current salford art + design building. I might be going there next year, might get the chance to study in this building. :)

An updated planning app went in for the Beacon in August.


Wilberton Properties Ltd
06/53226/FUL - Weir Site, Adelphi Street, Salford
Erection of mixed use development (maximum 25 Storey) comprising 407 residential units, 3810 sq.m A1, A3, A2, A4 and B1 retail/office floorspace together with 402 basement car parking spaces, new riverside walkway and construction of new vehicular and pedestrian accesses.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1250TheBeacon_pic3.jpg
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1250TheBeacon_pic4.jpg

mmmmmmmmm, not sure

Reminds me of the proposal for Glasgow Harbour.

Not sure to be honest. Why?

CAW beat me to it, remebered those residential plans for the riverside. These two, Middlewood Locks and increased development in and around Chapel St should hopefully kick a bit more life into old Salford (Chapel St/Oldfield Rd area). Plus, if the old building behind the monument (where Shalimar kebabs are...) is replaced by owt decent, it could turn into a nice Gateway area.