According to his twitter the revised business plan is using only one boat.

A crane has gone up next to the Renault garage on Trinity Way , does anyone know what its for ?

A crane has gone up next to the Renault garage on Trinity Way , does anyone know what its for ?

last post, previous page mate

does anyone know anything more about the proposed builds on the site that is now a car park between the railway, trinity way and chapel street? i remember seeing something a couple of years ago saying planning permission had been obtained for a new development of flats.

you'll have to be a bit more specific than that!

you'll have to be a bit more specific than that!

thats all ive got sadly. i remember getting the letter just before the crash saying planning permission had been sought and just after saying it had been granted. i dont know whether it was part of the central salford redevelopments that the council are plugging or not. was for a mixed use development covering the site of the two adjacent car parks next to trinity way at its border with chapel street.

ahh you mean this -

http://i46.tinypic.com/2cys08i.png

then that is zone D of the larger masterplan application (the hybrid planning application (detailed and outline) for the proposed regeneration and redevelopment of Salford Central) that was granted earlier this year

http://i50.tinypic.com/2akk2f4.png

full docs here (http://publicaccess.salford.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=KNN1TNNP00B00) (associated docs > PL amended docs 2)

ok thanks for that. any odds on what the chances of this seeing the light of day in the next 10 years are?

Heres another decision thats being appealed at the the moment, apart-hotel scheme on Bloom Street, refused permission in April:
http://publicaccess.salford.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=KDGHPHNP00400


http://i37.tinypic.com/13ykqbd.jpg (http://iclipseweb.salford.gov.uk/AnitePublicDocs/06348559.pdf)
http://iclipseweb.salford.gov.uk/AnitePublicDocs/06348559.pdf

The appeal was dismissed last month, little summary,
The inspector considered that the main issue was the effect of the proposal on the street scene and the setting of neighbouring listed buildings.

The inspector acknowledged that a suitable infill development would bring a welcome enhancement to the street scene and that the proposed uses were acceptable. He considered though that the scale of the building was dictated by its domestic floor to ceiling heights and that the recessed ground floor would appear squat adjacent to the Kings Arms.

The Inspector considered that the building would be considerably taller than its immediate neighbours and that the design did not disguise the buildings mass as a six storey development. He considered that the strongly horizontal glazed element of the upper floors conflicted with the vertical proportions of the remainder of the façade and that the building would appear top-heavy. He agreed with the City Council’s point made in the appeal statement that the metal-clad flank walls of the upper floors would tend to overdominate.

The Inspector considered that the height of the proposed building would challenge the visual dominance of the Model Lodging House. He did not agree that the building should be set back from the edge of pavement allowing the Kings Arms to be readily seen, his view was that this served only to expose part of the blank gable of the building.

With regard to materials the Inspector considered that zinc cladding and matching brickwork was appropriate but that the relative amount of each material was critical. Adding further to the palette of materials was not appropriate.

Taken overall, the Inspector concluded that the design did not provide an adequate response to the sensitive context and that it would have an unsatisfactory relationship with the Kings arms and with the Model lodging House and would not make a positive contribution to the setting of these buildings as required by national planning policy or by UDP policies DES1, ST15 and CH2.

The inspector considered that the effect on neighbours was minor and not a reason for refusal.

The appeal was dismissed

taken from this report,
http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar_documents/APPEALS150710.DOC
http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar/showmeeting.asp?ID=4616&MGP_ID=82

Its the second appeal for apps on the site that's been dismissed.

PI links,
http://www.pcs.planningportal.gov.uk/pcsportal/ViewCase.asp?casename=APP/U4230/A/09/2113781&caseaddress=COO.2036.300.8.2499217
http://www.pcs.planningportal.gov.uk/pcsportal/ViewCase.asp?casename=APP/U4230/A/09/2093449&caseaddress=COO.2036.300.8.1004994

ok thanks for that. any odds on what the chances of this seeing the light of day in the next 10 years are?

I think it simply depends on whether the regeneration companies involved can find the money. I don't really know.

Anyway here's a poetic little scheme in Langworthy -

10/59083/FUL

Alder Street
Salford
M6 5ND

Erection of 16 dwelling houses with associated car parking and landscaping

http://i31.tinypic.com/xq01as.jpg

Good to see new stuff from MBLA

This looks quite interesting, CPO info, for a Planning LMB meeting next Tuesday,

http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar/showmeeting.asp?ID=4637&MGP_ID=115

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: On 3rd September 2008 the Lead Member for Planning approved, in principle, the use of the Council’s compulsory purchase powers to assemble land for the Salford Central regeneration project.

Further to this decision the acquisition of land and property interests has been progressed, where possible, by agreement and the redevelopment proposals themselves have now been granted outline planning consent.

In order to be able to progress the redevelopment proposals it will be necessary to ensure that title and possession of all the land and property required for delivery of the scheme can be obtained and it is now considered appropriate to further support the regeneration by the making of a planning compulsory purchase order.

Negotiations to acquire by agreement will continue in parallel with the compulsory purchase process.

2.3 The Council and ECf between them already own nearly 50% of the Order Land and negotiations with the remaining owners will continue with a view to achieving the voluntary acquisition of all the interests in the Order Land which are needed to facilitate the development.

http://i26.tinypic.com/rbxhyf.jpg

looks to also be some discussion at Cabinet, behind closed doors, on Chapel St funding,

B PART 2 NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC
B1 Chapel Street Regeneration Funding
http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar/showmeeting.asp?ID=4560&MGP_ID=19

The regeneration of this area is long overdue. its meant to be salford city centre, but there is nothing there but a long line of burnt out pubs.

Salford Good Design Awards

Applications are now being accepted for the Salford Good Design Awards.

The deadline is 4.30pm on Friday 17 September 2010.

The council's dedication to design remains at the forefront of the city's agenda with the launch of the council's own Good Design Awards. We are seeking to reward the most innovative development schemes and striking restoration projects. Successful schemes will be honoured at an awards ceremony at Salford Quays in November.

The council's commitment to quality in the design of the built environment was established in 2008 with the launch of its highly acclaimed design guide, "Shaping Salford (http://www.salford.gov.uk/designspd.htm)", which was welcomed by government design watchdog CABE and supported by renowned designer Wayne Hemingway.

Today, the sought-after quality and distinctiveness of place are widely visible in the city's buildings and public spaces. Everyday life has been enriched, aspirations raised and new standards set. The tangible improvements in the cityscape have prompted the council to seek to reward those who have spurred on the revitalisation of the city.

The Design Awards seek to recognise and reward design achievement in a range of forms. Including awarding residential, commercial and public sector buildings as well as public realm and public art schemes, masterplanning, and conservation.

The conservation award is of special significance as it commemorates Salford's Conservation Officer Joe Martin, a well known and much respected champion of Salford's built heritage. To continue his work, the award will go to a project which is centred on the sensitive treatment of Salford's built heritage.

Further information is available for applicants, including details of eligibility, judging criteria and supporting evidence.


Ceremony to be held in telephone box?

Resisting the temptation to be churlish, this is good to see.

The development on the corner of Greengate and Blackfriar's Road (Delta Point?) is coming on at quite a lick. Are there any decent plans/artists impressions? The only ones I saw were very small and (I think) out of date...

this is probably the best you'll find,

http://gwicparchitects.co.uk/site/residential.php

it's fairly horrible...

this is probably the best you'll find,

http://gwicparchitects.co.uk/site/residential.php

it's fairly horrible...

Thanks for that. You're right, it ain't pretty, and soon it will block my view of the city. A friend of mine asked one of the builders how tall it would be and he said 7 storeys but it mentions 10...

Thanks for that. You're right, it ain't pretty, and soon it will block my view of the city. A friend of mine asked one of the builders how tall it would be and he said 7 storeys but it mentions 10...

It is an ugly building. Are you in Whitefriar Court if its gonna block your view? My mate said him and our tennants asscociation had involvement or kept informed of the designs or something. they must have been threatened with hot pokers if they thought that was a winning design

...

It is an ugly building. Are you in Whitefriar Court if its gonna block your view? My mate said him and our tennants asscociation had involvement or kept informed of the designs or something. they must have been threatened with hot pokers if they thought that was a winning design

I'm in Riverbank Tower and it will almost completely block my view of Spinningfields and the Beetham. At least the wasteland it's replacing has gone...

when does this start??????????????????????????????????????/

Already built up to second storey. Must be one of the few things going up in and around Manc/Salford right now..

Must be one of the few things going up in and around Manc/Salford right now..

At ''new" Broughon off Great Clowes St builders have been busy 6 - 7 days a week cracking on with finishing the new housing estate. The new apartments still don't seem to have full occupancy yet and they've been open a while

First phase of improvements to Salford's Chapel Street completes
11th August 2010

By Mike Fahy - Assistant Editor

THE FIRST phase of a programme to improve the Chapel Street area of central Salford has been completed with a reception held in the grounds of the city's Cathedral.

An event which saw members of the BBC Philharmonic Orchestra serenade local dignitaries and residents yesterday at Salford Cathedral's Creation Cafe yesterday marked the completion of public realm improvement works funded by English Cities Fund.

The work involved the creation of green walkways around Bexley Square and the creation of new walkways and gardens to the west of the cathedral. New street furniture and lighting has also been installed and damaged walls, railings and gates have been repaired.

Urban Vision worked as architects on the project, Birse Civils was main contractor and Ashlea was the landscape contractor.

Chris Farrow, chief executive of Central Salford's Urban Regeneration Company said that improvements to public areas of Chapel Street were important as it is at the core of regeneration plans for the City of Salford, linking Salford's university at one end to a proposed new corporate centre around Salford Central station at the other.

“It is our vision to re-connect communities by creating beautiful community spaces and walkways by investing in public realm improvements such as this," he said.

"Today’s event marks the first phase of these long-term plans which, when completed, will reveal Salford’s hidden gems.

“The next stages of the programme will see improvements underway in the Ordsall neighbourhood this Autumn.”

Plans for Chapel Street involve traffic calming-measures along the A6 with improved public transport links. Funding was secured for this from the North West Regional Development in February and work recently started on site. It is due to complete by the end of next year.

The English Cities Fund's plans for the wider area involves residential, commercial, leisure, hotel and retail developments. The final scheme will generate some 11,000 jobs, 220,000 sq m of commercial floor space for office, retail, and leisure development, 849 homes and 390 hotel rooms.

Councillor Ray Mashiter, Salford City Council's executive support member for planning, said: "The Cathedral Gardens have been developed for the benefit of residents and are an important part of the regeneration of the Chapel Street area.

"Public spaces like this will help to attract investment into central Salford and the completion of the gardens shows our plans to transform Chapel Street are becoming real."

Funny, I went passed there a couple of nights ago and saw blue neon strips in the pavement near the New Oxford. Thought I hadn't seen that before. Good to see it starting, but it's painfully slow progress!

Business Desk.

CENTRAL Salford Urban Regeneration Company is to submit three application to the new £100m Jessica fund in a bid to get key elements of its proposed redevelopment schemes moving as quickly as possible.

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/assets/_files/cached/img/310x222/aug_10/businessdesk__1282728021_Briidge-Mark_Addy_View_SpinBr2.jpg?access=604T059T840

The URC's chief executive, Chris Farrow, said that the organisation will apply for funding for the the Soapworks, Greengate and the development of the Chapel Street corporate area. The latter is likely to be the most challenging.

Central Salford URC and English Cities Fund gained outline planning approval for the largest planning application ever submitted by to Salford City Council in January of this year for the regeneration of Chapel Street, but it will have to contend with landlords of existing developments such as the Ralli Courts and Griffin Courts buildings near Salford Central station whose properties stand in the way of its plans to create 197,000 sq m of offices linking to Spinningfield's and other city centre developments.

Farrow said that Central Salford's focus was understandably turning towards Central Salford and the Greengate scheme now that work on the first phase of MediaCityUK was nearing completion.

A ceremony marking the start of £7m worth of public realm improvements to a stretch of Chapel Street leading from the city centre to the university got underway last week, and the organisation's next challenge is to work with English Cities Fund on acquiring some of the derelict and abandoned properties in the area - through compulsory purchase orders, where necessary.

Farrow said that some of the properties were owned by companies with registered offices in the Cayman Islands and other overseas destinations who had thus far proved "unresponsive" to attempts to engage with them about plans to improve the area.

He added that he expects the legals to be completed on Spinningfields Bridge - the bridge linking the new Central Salford corporate area to Spinningfields - to be completed by the end of the month. A start on site is expected by November with the bridge being completed next July.

Spinningfields has been a major bonus as it has shifted the compass of thew city westwards and towards Chapel Street," he said.

Farrow argued that as an organisation, he expected Central Salford URC to be largely unaffected by funding cuts to the North West regional development agency, as funding had been committed to all but one of the major public realm improvements the URC is overseeing.

He also said that the URC had provided better value for money than many other organisations. It has a staff of just 20 compared with more than 100 at New East Manchester and he argued that its original remit had been to lever in £500m worth of private sector funding, which had already been surpassed.

"Our level of ambition has moved way beyond that," he said.

taps foot impatiently...they better hurry up and get on with this. im fed up of living on a road that looks like down town nagasaki, circa 1946.

From Property Week http://www.propertyweek.com/news/news-by-sector/retail/tescos-salford-plans-outdated-says-cabe/5006190.article

Tesco's Salford plans "outdated" says CABE

Plans for a Tesco superstore in Salford have been criticised by CABE, the government’s architecture watchdog, as “outdated” and “inefficient.”

In a design review released yesterday CABE said the site in the centre of Pendleton, in a “traffic constrained” part of town, presented an opportunity to “heal this traffic-dominated centre by enhancing connections to surrounding neighbourhoods, providing public spaces that support community cohesion and buildings and uses that can sustain the life of this centre into the future.”

“We see nothing in the proposals that would indicate such considerations have been taken into account,” CABE said.

“Rather, the model of development proposed risks seriously undermining the long-term regeneration of Pendleton by failing to adequately consider the site’s integration with its context.”

CABE also said that the design, which would see the supermarket developed on “stilts” was “outdated”.






And a link to CABE's review. http://www.cabe.org.uk/design-review/tesco-store-salford

......

Site planning

In our view, the premise of a large supermarket on stilts surrounded by a sea of car parking is an outdated out-of-town model that has no relevance in this urban situation. This car-focussed solution represents an inefficient use of land and sterilises the environment around the building, inhibiting pedestrian movement across the area. The chance to turn Pendleton Way into a more comfortable, people-focussed route, by fronting it with active building frontages, is missed by placing the building at the centre of the site. No meaningful relationship is established with Shopping City and connections across Pendleton Way do nothing to suggest the potential downgrading of this route.

We think the change in levels across the site could be used much more imaginatively to help address these failings. Double-stacking the car parking would free up land that could more usefully serve other uses either now or in future phases of development. Likewise, burying the service yard and dotcom area into the landscape would be more considerate than the proposed solution which has a long high fence as sound barrier and a landscape ‘buffer’ to residents living opposite on Seedley Road. Such features are likely only to divorce these communities from the shops and facilities there to serve them. Concealing the service yard by decking it with a park along this boundary would be one way of giving local people amenity they could actually use rather than just observe from a distance. Equally, instead of squandering land on a separate access for the petrol filling station this element could be consolidated alongside the service yard and car parking entrances to the north.

....

thanks sleepy. i'm not sure how i missed this application.

http://i55.tinypic.com/35iue69.png

they're absolutey right of course. this piece of shit would completely derail the regeneration efforts in pendleton in Langworthy if approved as it'd be like Salford saying "yeh well pendleton's shit anyway" - meanwhile dooming it to be shit for at least another generation. so yeh, what cabe said, fuck off tesco.

Salford House 4 Life
Date:
27 September 2010
Press release contact:
Julia Davies
T: +44 (0)113 234 1335
E: julia.davies@inst.riba.org
Submissions are invited for an open two stage competition to design a visionary family housing scheme on a 1.45ha brown-field site in the heart of the Greengate area of Salford across from Manchester City Centre. The competition is being organised and managed by RIBA Competitions on behalf of Central Salford URC, Salford City Council, Centre for Construction Innovation North West (CCINW), British Research Establishment, Salford University and NHS Salford. ...

http://www.architecture.com/NewsAndPress/News/CompetitionNews/Press/NewCompetitions/2010/SalfordHouse4Life.aspx

http://www.salfordhouse4life.com/



Great credit is due to the promoters of this new RIBA competition (http://www.architecture.com/NewsAndPress/News/CompetitionNews/Press/NewCompetitions/2010/SalfordHouse4Life.aspx).

To borrow a phrase coined by Vince Cable, this should help 'shine a bright light' into the dysfunctional business model adopted by the housebuilding industry that seems to work well for directors and shareholders but has failed to consistently deliver a decent product for consumers, particularly on sites like this need something other than the standard approach.

From Place North West http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/archive/7635-salford-names-winners-of-design-awards.html

Salford names winners of design awards

http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/assets/_files/cached/img/402x268.134/sep_10/pnw__1283944349_Media_City_night_shot_crop.jpg

12 Nov 2010, 10:17

Michael Hunt
The city council revealed the winners of its inaugural Good Design Awards on Wednesday night at the Lowry Theatre in Salford Quays.

The ceremony was sponsored by Ask Developments and around 150 architects, developers and clients attended to see their contributions to Salford's built environment celebrated. The awards were open to buildings completed between 1 January 2006 and 31 March 2010.

The overall winner was Salford Cathedral Centre designed by Bate and Taylor Architects for Salford Roman Catholic Diocesan Trustees.

article continues... (http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/archive/7635-salford-names-winners-of-design-awards.html)

From Place North West http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/archive/7635-salford-names-winners-of-design-awards.html The Islington Estate also entered the Best Masterplan Award under Islington Estate Neighbourhood Planning, we did get shortlisted but nothing more. The Chapel Street Regeneration was the winner, of which we are still part although excluded from the outline planning application. This is one of the first achitect impressions how Arthur Millwood Court and Canon Hussey Court could look like:
http://www.theislingtonestate.com/amcchc002.jpg
after a long wait of many many years and trying to make our case:Presentation to the Chapel Street Regeneration Forum 12 March 2010 (http://www.theislingtonestate.com/Chapel_Street_Regeneration_Forum_12_March_2010_PDF.pdf):bash:

taps foot impatiently...they better hurry up and get on with this. im fed up of living on a road that looks like down town nagasaki, circa 1946.

Same but highly doubt it is going to be built or anything is going to happen to chapel street and surrounding areas.

They talked about it for years and years and even during the "good times"- did anything happen? Nope.

Central Salford URC to be axed

17th November 2010

CENTRAL Salford Urban Regeneration Company, the organisation which was responsible for overseeing inward investment projects such as the Chapel Street Regeneration scheme and the Exchange Greengate project, is to be axed.

The organisation's staff of around 20, including chief executive Chris Farrow, have been notified of the decision and have now entered into a consultation period over the future of their posts.

The decision was taken to wind the company up following the loss of two of its three sources of principal funding - the North West Regional Development Agency and the Homes and Communities Agency.

The body's other funder, Salford City Council has said that it wants to work with private developers in the area to find a way of continuing the momentum built by the organisation in schemes such as Media City, Chapel Street and Irwell River Park. It said that for every £1 of public money spent, it has secured more than £10 of private investment and the largest and most successful programme of regeneration outside the London 2012 Olympics.

Leader of Salford City Council, Cllr John Merry said: "We asked the URC to help transform the central part of the City and the future of its people. Working together we have already delivered huge levels of investment and confidence from the private sector.

"Despite the challenges of multi-million pound public spending cuts facing the City, we are determined not to lose the momentum built up by the URC. Working with others we will find a way to build on that success and we have every confidence that the development community will support the City Council in this task."

CSURC chairman Felicity Goodey said: "I have been overwhelmed by the strength of confidence and support expressed by investors in Central Salford and the URC team. We set out with an ambitious vision and thanks to the strength of the partnership we have with Salford and its people we have delivered far more than ever promised."

Same but highly doubt it is going to be built or anything is going to happen to chapel street and surrounding areas.

They talked about it for years and years and even during the "good times"- did anything happen? Nope.

Well even I've witnessed over a decade of inaction. In fact it has got worse as the only buildings worth saving burnt down one by one. Oh they put some purple hoardings and made Bexley Sq prettier.. will it be another decade before we see anything happen?

:ohno::ohno::ohno:

Chapel Street project looks shaky with the axing of the regeneration company. Another article.

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1371563_salford_regeneration_firm_axed_after_funding_blows

The Islington Estate also entered the Best Masterplan Award under Islington Estate Neighbourhood Planning, we did get shortlisted but nothing more. The Chapel Street Regeneration was the winner, of which we are still part although excluded from the outline planning application. This is one of the first achitect impressions how Arthur Millwood Court and Canon Hussey Court could look like:
http://www.theislingtonestate.com/amcchc002.jpg
after a long wait of many many years and trying to make our case:Presentation to the Chapel Street Regeneration Forum 12 March 2010 (http://www.theislingtonestate.com/Chapel_Street_Regeneration_Forum_12_March_2010_PDF.pdf):bash:

OMG, that looks awfull :ohno:

I don't actually mind the second one, I shouldn't like it - but I do :| The 1st one however is truly awful.

those two towers would look great reclad in the same way as the ones just off chester road by the church have been recently.

those two towers would look great reclad in the same way as the ones just off chester road by the church have been recently.

That is what we are hoping, they were launched Tuesday 9 November 2010 by Sir Richard Leese: City South Manchester Housing Trust News (http://www.citysouthmanchester.co.uk/news_publications/news_stories/transform_hulme_complete.htm) & Sir Richard Leese Blog (http://www.manchester.gov.uk/blog/leadersblog/post/413) design by 2e: 2e Portfolio (http://www.edelmannandebling.com/portfolio.php?id=4).

http://www.theislingtonestate.com/hulme-skyline-complete-190_1.jpg

http://www.theislingtonestate.com/hulme-skyline-complete-190_2.jpg

http://www.theislingtonestate.com/hulme-skyline-complete-190_3.jpg

http://www.theislingtonestate.com/hulme-skyline-complete-190_4.jpg

http://www.theislingtonestate.com/hulme-skyline-complete-190_5.jpg

http://www.theislingtonestate.com/hulme-skyline-complete-190_6.jpg

Anything is better then they look now, and I prefer the white over the brown:

http://www.theislingtonestate.com/mp_019.jpg

Rainscreen cladding is much nicer then render, but more expensive, this is how Nine Acre Court in Ordsall could look like, keep you posted:

http://www.theislingtonestate.com/mp_020.jpg

I don't see the need for some dull colours of the rainscreen. These are people's homes, why dark grey? So unwelcoming and industrial estate looking, it should be something lighter and cheerful, more organic looking.

they do look totally shagged out at the minute those two towers. the whole estate is in need of an overhaul to be honest. a mate of mine used to live in the one on the left but moved out in the 80s. there used to be a row of shops on as well which are no longer there. shame they cant be resurrected as there isnt the much in the way of shops round that bit of salford.

Salford Star's piece on the URC

http://www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=764

well now it looks like their time is up maybe they'll actually deliver something in the next eighteen months. i'd like to see a more sustainable approach toward redevelopment, maybe with their skills they can empower individuals and help form housing cooperatives, now that yuppie developers aren't (can't be) interested in us anymore. they'll probably do something with peel tho.

btw the tesco at the precinct has been approved. my dad is delighted but i am gutted. salford city is no longer a tesco superstore free zone.

But there's always been a tesco there anyway!! Ok, not a massive one, but big enough to do most of your weekly shop in!

The whole precinct needs levelling and starting again!

yeh, and the exact opposite of what should be happening at salford precinct is the plonking of another mega shed further disintegrating it from langworthy. whenever i walk to the precinct, at least, i cross this site. i'm not saying it's going to be impossible now, but it will definately be less appealing with the level of traffic that there will be.

i have been walking over princes bridge a fair bit of late and its only after dark that you realise just how badly in need of development this whole area is. its right in the middle of greater manchester, yet the whole area is totally abandoned. i can only imagine what it was like before the bypass was built...

there are some scenes of old salford in this - shelagh delaney's salford. she also talks about the dislocation of people that was current when this was made.

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I'm with Chgomook. I don't think that Tesco is THE poblem, it's the precinct, a ****hol surrounded by dualled roads. If I remember right this current plan came around after years of Tesco and SCC trying to get the (previous) owners on board to do the precinct/integrate the developments.

And yes, the East Lancs destroyed what ws on of Salford's main streets.

I'd prefer to see a linear shopping/mixed use development built along Broadwalk, which would connect the wider area with the two important nodes of the railway station and University, as well as towards Chapel Street and the Regional/City Centre.

Broadwalk is poorly looked over and not really a decent place to walk or cycle through during the hours of darkness, because residential properties back onto, rather than face it, despite redevelopment in the early 1990s.

Existing site could then be levelled for other development (perhaps an expanded University) or employment/business district, once Salford Quays is fully developed?

It could be the Salford/Gtr Manchester of (Amsterdam's) Zuidas!

Meanwhile, this unit is STILL empty, TWO years after refurbishment! How can a company so heavily subsidised by the taxpayer get away with this?

£64.2k pa. +VAT! Don't they know there is a recession on? If this was a privately owned residential property, the local authority would have acquisitioned it under the Empty Homes Strategy.

http://property.networkrail.co.uk/downloads/74/0/Bailey_Street_brochure.pdf.aspx

the application for the demolition of the URC in Ordsall went in for decision the other week and has been "deferred".

committee on 02/12/2010

cheers jrb for the heads-up. approved at committee

£25m media college gets green light

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Plans for a new £25m specialist media college in Salford Quays have been given the go-ahead.

Salford council’s planning committee approved a proposal to move the Oasis Academy, currently based on Eccles Old Road in Pendleton, to MediaCityUK in Ordsall.

The academy, which will have 1,150 students, will be built on the site of the Salford Central United Reformed Church, on the corner of Broadway and Trafford Road.

The decision comes despite an independent report saying it should not go ahead.

Objectors had also voiced concerns that the Victorian church is another local landmark that will disappear from the Salford skyline.

Head of the current academy, Patrick Ottley-O’Connor, said: "We are going to build an academy which will not only be an integral part of MediaCity, but will also transform the surrounding community and we are looking forward to getting the project started. While a new building by itself does not improve results, we know from other academies that a new building definitely inspires students to increase their learning opportunities. We are looking forward to our positive future."

Lead member for planning, Councillor Derek Antrobus, said: "I am sure this academy will bring great educational benefits to Salford – it is, after all, at the very entrance to MediaCity.

"However, it seems to me that just because a public body like Oasis says one thing, namely that the academy will be of great benefit to the children of Salford, it doesn’t mean that we can ignore our responsibilities to protect our cultural heritage."

As part of the agreement, a multi-agency committee will be set up between Salford council, Oasis, and other bodies to discuss, among other things, the future siting of the church’s war memorial plaque, and possible sports provision on site for residents.

Due to open in 2012, the new building will have close links to the MediaCityUK development where the BBC is moving five departments.

However, the 21st Century Commission’s preliminary report on the secondary school sector, published last month, said there were currently 470 students at the Academy’s main school and 40 in the sixth form. The report recommended that it should instead merge with nearby Buile Hill High School on the Buile Hill site.

But Mr Ottley-O’Connor said the commission’s report had been compiled several months ago and since then the student roll in the main school had risen to 518 and was projected to rise further.

Councillor John Merry, leader of Salford council, said: "The new academy is an exciting educational and community asset and pupils will benefit from its location and close links to the BBC."

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1388546_25m_media_college_gets_green_light#comments

another one bites the dust.

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/2712/salunitdrefccha7123.jpg

comment from salford star

Ladies and Gentlemen. THE ARROGANT RIDERS OF THE WHITE ELEPHANT AWARD goes to…


SALFORD CITY COUNCIL!

Yes, the arrogant riders of the white elephant are those from Salford City Council who insist on continuing with the much criticised, controversial Oasis Academy MediaCityUK.

Against all logic the Council granted the Oasis Academy planning permission last week. Here's a bit of history, in the longest commendation in the history of the MARYS…It's long but it's shocking!

Oasis Academy MediaCityUK replaced Hope High School and is currently based up on Eccles Old Road. It was due to move to a more "desirable" location at Salford Quays this year but the date has now been moved to 2012. It was granted planning permission to build on the site of the historic Salford Mission (URC Church) which will now be flattened. Here's everything you need to know…

• Oasis Academy MediaCityUK isn't classified as a `faith school', although it's run by Oasis Community Learning, part of Oasis UK which also runs Oasis Church Salford. Its founder Rev Steve Chalke, preaching at the Salford church, stated "we will end up with a church which is also a school…a school that is also a church…" (more details here)

• It's been well questioned whether the Salford Quays site is suitable for a school – it's on one the busiest main roads in Salford (Trafford Road) and new `super crossings' for kids coming from Ordsall have just been cancelled due to spending cuts.

• There's no playing fields and students will have to bussed out to Stott Lane, 2.5km away.

• The recent independent 21st Century Commission report on the future of Salford's schools noted: "Although the site is situated close to the tram link between Eccles and Manchester, north south transport links are not good. The site is compact and situated between two busy roads. Outdoor space for recreation and sport would be limited and pupils would have to be transported to playing fields."

• The Oasis Academy is all style over content. The 21st Century Commission noted that "The site proposed for the development has been chosen because of its proximity to the Quays and because it is felt it will make an iconic statement about the importance of education in the inner city".

• This backs up Salford Star research which showed that the Academy is being built to fit the image of MediaCityUK rather than as a great place to put a school. A few years ago a Salford Council report looking into possible future sites for the school stated that being near to Salford Quays was "a fundamental priority". The report added that "the most logical options" were the Blodwell Street and Churchill Way sites but both had "image issues". Two sites in Ordsall itself, just across Trafford Road from the Quays, were written off because one was "not as desirable as Salford Quays" and, for the other, "perceptions of the area may affect enrolment" (more details here)

• Central Salford Urban Regeneration Company isn't happy that the school, on an "important gateway site", won't have a "strong building corner feature" and insisted, as part of its planning permission, that the corner site has "strong vertical elements in the form of flagpoles and planting". So much for `the importance of education in the inner city'.

• The Academy is well out of the catchment area for the former Hope High school - according to a 2006 census, over 60% of pupils for Hope High were drawn from the local area. The new school is nowhere near the old site.

• The 900 place Academy (plus a 250 place 6th Form) is also estimated by Salford City Council's own figures to be over 65% empty by the academic year 2014/15. The 21st Century Commission report added: "Current numbers at the Academy are 470 in the main school with 40 students in the 6th form. Projections from the local authority are that this number will fall to 329 in the main school by 2016/17. On this basis, even if the projections are very pessimistic, it is difficult to see the 1,150 places being needed in the foreseeable future."

• A Salford Council report this year revealed that it expects "approximately 300" of the school's places to be taken up by kids from other authorities within the Greater Manchester area. But the 21st Century Commission reports that other schools in neighbouring boroughs have the same idea to provide media skills schools for MediaCityUK, which will provide "competition".

• The Oasis Academy is the least favoured school in Salford, according to figures issued by the Manchester Evening News (see here). This year there were only 87 first choice applications for the school, for 180 places.

• The 21st Century Commission report advised: "Despite the advanced stage of planning, put on hold the building of the new Academy at the Quays and merge the current Oasis Academy with Buile Hill into a new trust school or an Academy on the Buile site."

All this, and yet Salford City Council is ploughing ahead with support for the Oasis Academy MediaCityUK – which isn't even under its control.

In response to the independent 21st Century Commission report Salford Council states…

"The City Council Cabinet is clear that the Oasis Academy development will continue to go ahead as planned; and therefore as a consequence this aspect of the report is not being put forward for future comment and response."

Arrogance of the highest extreme, we think.

Ladies and Gentlemen. THE ARROGANT RIDERS OF THE WHITE ELEPHANT AWARD goes to…

SALFORD CITY COUNCIL!!!

i got a nice shiny brochure through from salford council this week advising me of the upcoming plans to completely regenerate chapel street. i thought this had been moved to a status of 'extremely unlikely any time soon'?

Not sure what the best thread would be for the below...


http://www.salfordonline.com/localnews_page/25518-proposed_overhaul_of_salford_crescent_train_station.html


"Network Rail have revealed new plans for improving the facilities at Salford's Crescent train station, which will cost in the region of £12 million."

Not sure what the best thread would be for the below...


http://www.salfordonline.com/localnews_page/25518-proposed_overhaul_of_salford_crescent_train_station.html


"Network Rail have revealed new plans for improving the facilities at Salford's Crescent train station, which will cost in the region of £12 million."

The Non-Metrolink Manchester Transport thread

i got a nice shiny brochure through from salford council this week advising me of the upcoming plans to completely regenerate chapel street. i thought this had been moved to a status of 'extremely unlikely any time soon'?
Apparently in the advertiser, it has moved a step further making it likely.

I doubt it. For the past ten years, it has always been moving forward- it still looks like something from the Bolshevik era.

Now there are coalition government are implementing savings, I am still surprised that things are moving forward.

Apparently in the advertiser, it has moved a step further making it likely.

I doubt it. For the past ten years, it has always been moving forward- it still looks like something from the Bolshevik era.

Now there are coalition government are implementing savings, I am still surprised that things are moving forward.

the islington estate definitely looks cold war era, but chapel street looks even worse. rows and rows of derelict buildings on the main road through salford city centre.

what makes the lack of progress with islington even more disappointing is the current external renovations of all the high rises in hulme and old trafford. the ones by chester road have been completed and are a massive improvement and the scaffolding is going up on the two remaining highrises in hulme.

islington is arguably in a worse state externally than any of those manchester highrises were before work was started.

Salford Council submits huge CPO of land and buildings

4th February 2011

SALFORD City Council has submitted a compulsory purchase order to buy up huge swathes of land around Chapel Street.

The order not only covers several buildings fronting Chapel Street including a former post office and The Bell Tower, Peel Park Inn and Ye Old Nelson pubs - all of which are currently derelict - but also the City Wharf office complex on New Bailey Street, the Mark Addy pub, the Riverside House office scheme and part of the land surrounding the Ralli Quays government office complex currently occupied by HMRC.

The council is also looking to accquire the car park at the back of The Royal apartment complex on Chapel Street, the derelict Dock and Pulpit pub, a car park on the corner of Browning St and St Stephen Street, the derelict Church Inn pub on Ford Street, a warehouse on Egerton St, a depot on Riding St and car parks on Bolton Street and Beck Street.

As part of the works, Salford City Council is also seeking access to offices, shops and other premises around Bexley Square, as well as the New Harvest Church and the New Oxford pub.

The order follows the submission in July of the biggest ever planning application in Salford's history by the English Cities Fund and the now-defunct Central Salford Urban Regeneration Company.

The application was for an area bigger than the first phase of Peel's Media City complex, covering an area of 17.44 hectares.

It involved the creation of a substantial new Commercial Quarter on the opposite bank of the Irwell to Allied London's Spinningfields scheme in the area around Salford Central station. It also involved the creation of a new square, St John's Place, to be based around Salford's recently-restored cathedral.

In total, it covered construction of 197,000 sq metres of office space, 390 hotel rooms and 864 new homes. When submitted, the application was opposed by the agents acting for Ralli Courts' owners, who argued that it infringed Article 1 of the European Convention of Human Rights by planning to deprive its client of its property.
The objection stated that the scheme of 13 office units, which employed around 239 people, was "an attractive and highly successful office development" which had only been built in the 1980s and was not in need of redevelopment.

Speaking to TheBusinessDesk.com shortly after the application was submitted last year, Salford URC's former chief executive Chris Farrow said that it had already begun work with English Cities Fund - a joint venture between Aviva Property Investors, Muse Developments and the Homes and Communities Agency - on acquiring vacant or abandoned properties in the area and would use compulsory purchase orders where necessary.

He added that some of the properties were owned by companies with registered offices in the Cayman Islands and other overseas destinations who had proved "unresponsive" to several attempts to engage with them about plans to improve the area.

English Cities Fund has already begun with a £7m programme of public realm improvements in the area which has involved traffic calming measures that will restrict the main Chapel Street thoroughfare down to a single carriageway.

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/

'''''''''''In total, it covered construction of 197,000 sq metres of office space, 390 hotel rooms and 864 new homes. When submitted, the application was opposed by the agents acting for Ralli Courts' owners, who argued that it infringed Article 1 of the European Convention of Human Rights by planning to deprive its client of its property.
The objection stated that the scheme of 13 office units, which employed around 239 people, was "an attractive and highly successful office development" which had only been built in the 1980s and was not in need of redevelopment.''''''''


I'd agree with that. The Ralli court offices suit the riverside setting well. I hope they don't pull them down and build something ugly like the Bridge apartments next to the Lowry. I doubt the Salford side of the river will be able to compete with Spinningfields facing it and if those computer images of the apartments that were planned on the riverside opposite the Victoria and Albert hotel I hope anything they do doesn't end up with them still looking like the poorer relation

I think Ralli Court is pretty crap to be honest. So is the other more modern office building. Riverside House would be more of a loss.

Having spent a year living in an apartment around here I noticed how much of the historical fabric of the area had been bulldozed to the ground in clearance schemes, leaving large parts of the street scape devoid of any character.

And they wonder why they struggle to regenerate it.

Salford should hold on to places like Riverside house and the pubs it's threatening to get rid of. It's obviously been saved from demolition in the past. OK in it's current state it doesn't have much hope of resuse, but if you improve the environment it sits in it will find a use.

Salford said they their strategy is not to replicate high rise Manchester but to develop a more low rise areas with it's own character. they should be using views like this to base their schemes on, not remove all remaining remnants of past, which define it:
http://tinyurl.com/5v3xlko
http://tinyurl.com/5uo6d3n


Plus with Salford's previous track record of building on swathes of flattened land (see Greengate) I would really hope that they start filling in gaps before they start clearing any existing buildings and adding to the supply of surface car parks.

EDIT: Riverside House: http://tinyurl.com/6j526r7

i think most of the buildings along chapel street are beyond saving to be honest. derelict, firebombed and with parts of the structure either totally missing or weakened by years of neglect. this part of salford is in need of radical surgery, but i agree they shouldnt just flatten the lot and wait for someone to redevelop it. piece by piece would be the best approach.

grade A office space is running out in manchester so there is no reason that there would not be demand for these developments. it might also increase the level of taxation that manchester generates and stop those cockneys whinging about their belief that they subsidise the rest of the country.

Approved this week...does anyone know if this plot is effected by the compulsoory purchase order submitted by Salford CC this week? I'm guessing its not. (and I'm loving that Salford CC has updated their online planning site - let's hope Manchester CC follows suit!)

Reference: 11/59799/FUL
Alternative Reference:
Application Received: 05 Jan 2011
Address: Aldine House New Bailey Street Salford M3 5FS
Proposal: Modifications and refurbishment of existing Riverside office complex, including demolition of existing estate entrance building and construction of new estate entrance building to Aldine House, formation of new estate entrance within existing building fabric to Delphian House, and associated hard landscaping. (Re-sub of 10/59515/FUL)
Status: Application Permitted

http://publicaccess.salford.gov.uk/publicaccess/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=LEJVQNNP06300

From the MEN (http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1407433_the_mark_addy_pub_faces_demolition_under_salford_regeneration_scheme):

http://m.gmgrd.co.uk/res/662.$plit/C_71_article_1407433_image_list_image_list_item_0_image.jpg
The Mark Addy pub could be demolished because it stands in the way of a regeneration scheme.

The riverside pub, which is renowned as one of the leading gastropubs in the city centre, has been made the subject of a compulsory purchase order by Salford council.

The authority wants to buy the building as part of a regeneration plan for Chapel Street and the surrounding area.

The Mark Addy - named after a 19th century publican famed for rescuing over 50 people from drowning in the River Irwell, stands on the Salford bank of the river and it has made its name for vast helpings of pub grub.

Only last year it had a major refurbishment and has grown in popularity again with the arrival of famed chef Robert Owen Brown.

Salford council has applied for an extensive compulsory purchase order (CPO) to snap up land in the Chapel Street area.

The location is a target for major regeneration which has been on going for more than a decade and parcels of land have already been acquired.

The CPO would give the council control over a number of empty buildings, including a disused post office and three pubs on Chapel Street itself.

But it also covers the Mark Addy, Riverside House, City Wharf office developments, and land at Ralli Quays, where government offices, including the tax department are based.

Owners of the Mark Addy are investigating their legal position.

Other buildings which would be swallowed up by the CPO include the derelict Dock and Pulpit and Church Inns, and a warehouse on Egerton Street.

The council also wants to acquire four car parks – behind the Royal apartment block on Chapel Street; on the corner of Browning Street; and on Beck Street, and Bolton Street.

The New Harvest Church, and offices in and around Bexley Square, including the New Oxford pub would also be affected.

Councillor John Merry, leader of Salford council, said: “We have made a compulsory purchase order to facilitate the regeneration of the Salford Central area, in line with planning permission granted last year to English Cities Fund.

“This order is an important step towards the transformation of the area, including making significant improvements along Chapel Street.”

Last July the council's biggest ever planning application for permission to redevelop the Chapel Street corridor was granted.

It includes plans for 860 new homes, 390 hotel rooms, a new square, St John's Place, by Salford Cathedral, and a new business and retail quarter.

:eek:I hope they don't demolish it. According to this they won't

http://www.manchesterconfidential.co.uk/Food-and-Drink/Other-Food-Stories/Demolition-unlikely-Mark-Addy-_16934.asp

Don't actually state whether they have made a CPO on the New Oxford.

Have FOI'ed Salford Council...

http://www.salfordonline.com/localnews_page/26120-st_philip_with_st_stephen's_church_awarded_%C2%A3130,000_by_english_heritage.html

i doubt this is anything to do with the CPO, but the hordings partioning the two car parks on the junction of trinity way and chapel street have been in the process of being taken down for the past 2 weekends. and the council had some plant gear out today pulling up bollards on the site and removing piles of concrete.

also there are roadworks ongoing on the junction of chapel street and new bailey street. part of the chapel street regeneration works or just utility work?

Some renders of Chapel St, Not sure if these have already been posted....

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx163/marksy_1/06RENDE.jpg

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx163/marksy_1/05RENDE.jpg

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx163/marksy_1/02RENDE_revA.jpg

Very american.

Some renders of Chapel St, Not sure if these have already been posted....

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx163/marksy_1/06RENDER.jpg

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx163/marksy_1/05RENDER.jpg

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx163/marksy_1/02RENDER_revA.jpg


Two car lanes axed on Chapel Street plus 20mph limit - to make busy commuter route more 'pedestrian friendly'

Exclusive by Neal Keeling

February 21, 2011

Parts of one of the busiest dual carriageways in Greater Manchester are to be hit with a 20mph speed limit and limited to one lane for cars.

The Crescent and adjoining Chapel Street on the A6 are a main route from Salford into Manchester city centre.

But Salford council is to remove one of two traffic lanes from both sides of the road.

Instead there will be a bus lane, a cycle lane and one for motorists.

Emergency vehicles would use the bus lane to pass stationary traffic. It will mean 12 months of work on what is already one of the region’s most congested roads.

The scheme has been branded ‘crazy’ but town hall bosses say the aim is to reduce the huge volume of traffic using the route.

It is hoped Chapel Street will become a ‘city high street’ with shops, cafés, and businesses to rival Manchester city centre.

Traffic will instead be expected to use Liverpool Street which runs parallel to the two roads and Regent Road in Ordsall to get into Manchester.

The scheme covers all of The Crescent and the part of Chapel Street which is currently dual carriageway.

Funded by the North West Development Agency and the European Regional Development Agency at a cost of £10m, it is part of a huge plan to regenerate the Chapel Street and Crescent stretch of the A6, on which Salford University, Salford Museum and Art Gallery, and the doomed Salford magistrates’ court stand.

Plans were approved last year for a major regeneration of the area, including hotels, 850 new homes, a public square and a business quarter.

Work on the road redesign has started and is due to finish in December this year.

Pavements will be made wider, pedestrian crossings improved and ‘high-quality’ public spaces created.

Rachel Kirkham, from Bolton, who regularly uses the route to get to work, said: “It’s crazy. If these appalling plans are completed there will be chaos on this road.

“Salford residents have been told about this but road-users from outside Salford, such as myself who have to use it to get to work, have not been informed or asked our views.

“There should have been much wider consultation. The NWDA should have given any spare cash it had to help plug the gaps in Salford’s services as it faces cuts of £42m.

“We are lucky to get up to 20mph at the moment on this route and the council plans will make it even worse.”

Coun Norman Owen, leader of Salford’s Liberal Democrats, said: “There are a number of people who are not happy about this.

“This is part of a big plan by the now defunct Central Salford Urban Regeneration Company. But there are other areas of Salford in greater need of regeneration. There should definitely have been better consultation.”

Planning spokesman Coun Derek Antrobus said: “We have been planning and consulting the public on the plans for the regeneration of Chapel Street and The Crescent for the past five years. More than 3,900 local residents and business owners were involved in this process.

“Our plan is to make Chapel Street a flourishing city high street. To make this happen residents and local businesses have asked that we make the area more pedestrian friendly, making it a safer and calmer area for both residents and visitors.

“To minimise the impact this has on traffic coming into the city, we are improving some of the alternative traffic routes but the new scheme will also improve access via public transport. Any work of this scale will be disruptive and we’d like to apologise to the public for any inconvenience they may experience while we’re improving the city.”

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1408724_two_car_lanes_axed_on_chapel_street_plus_20mph_limit__to_make_busy_commuter_route_more_pedestrian_friendly

Making half the road unavailable to 90% of the traffic is the best idea I think anybody in the world has ever had in the entire history of everything.

liverpool road is most probably not even know about by a lot of the people complaining about this. it currently sees light useage, is as straight and direct as chapel street and allows better access to the south of the city centre and the east (via the mancunian way).

and it avoids having to use the death trap that is the junction of chapel street and trinity way. you would not believe how many accidents there are on this stretch of road each week.

All of the crescent? Really? Is this just dodgy MEN reporting?

i'd love to see it happen but it would be a disaster for traffic hah.

As somebody who has to cross Chapel Street on a regular basis with my one-year-old, I can't wait for this to be completed. The Chapel Street/Trinity Way junction is the limiting factor on traffic volumes passing along Chapel Street. If you had 10 lanes for general traffic along Chapel Street they would still end up queuing at this junction during peak times, so i'd rather have a 1 lane car park than 2 lanes.

The whole area is a nighmare for pedestrians, and apart from a few hours each weekday there is no need for 2 lanes for general traffic. It just encourages people to drive like morons and I often see cars flying around at ridiculous speeds at the weekends.

The quotes from that MEN article just sum up the selfish attitude of some motorists. There are plenty of alternative routes from Bolton to Manchester, as well as alternative modes of transport. So much more can be made of Chapel Street, particularly around the university and cathedral, and reducing the road width will go a long way to improving the area, even before the bulk of the regeneration begins.

All of the crescent? Really? Is this just dodgy MEN reporting?

i'd love to see it happen but it would be a disaster for traffic hah.

where do you class the crescent as ending? by the precinct? if so i think the idea is that some of the cars turn right off the crescent, past the precinct and down liverpool road.

As somebody who has to cross Chapel Street on a regular basis with my one-year-old, I can't wait for this to be completed. The Chapel Street/Trinity Way junction is the limiting factor on traffic volumes passing along Chapel Street. If you had 10 lanes for general traffic along Chapel Street they would still end up queuing at this junction during peak times, so i'd rather have a 1 lane car park than 2 lanes.

The whole area is a nighmare for pedestrians, and apart from a few hours each weekday there is no need for 2 lanes for general traffic. It just encourages people to drive like morons and I often see cars flying around at ridiculous speeds at the weekends.

The quotes from that MEN article just sum up the selfish attitude of some motorists. There are plenty of alternative routes from Bolton to Manchester, as well as alternative modes of transport. So much more can be made of Chapel Street, particularly around the university and cathedral, and reducing the road width will go a long way to improving the area, even before the bulk of the regeneration begins.
Where are the alternative routes from Bolton to Manchester? As far as I am aware many in Bolton have to go through Chapel Street to get into town.

Where are the alternative routes from Bolton to Manchester? As far as I am aware many in Bolton have to go through Chapel Street to get into town.

Bus ... train ... ?

double post

Personally, I agree with 2020. I've forever said (may have actually given it a mention on here) that a pedestrianized Chapel Street would do a world of good around there. Not only that, but this scheme would allow the city centre to expend North Westwards now as well.

So, we have the city centre expanding northbound, southbound & now north-westwards as well. Good times to come :cheers:

This scheme, coupled with the redevlopment of Salford Crescent station, will be great for Central Salford. And especially if Liverpool Street gradually gets busier too, you could turn that into a new business district/hotel/shopping area.

Where are the alternative routes from Bolton to Manchester? As far as I am aware many in Bolton have to go through Chapel Street to get into town.

east lancs>liverpool road>400 metres of the inner ring road>mancunian way for east manchester OR...

east lancs road>liverpool road>then either your choice of right or left for deansgate

the extra quarter of a mile you travel will more than be made up for by not sitting in a car park on chapel street. people coming from places like bolton probably dont realise that if you come into manchester from the west and want to go to places like piccadilly or eastlands or ardwick, that it is quicker to go via liverpool road and the mancunian way than it is to go along chapel street and around the back of the arena.

this route wont suit everyone, but it doesnt have to. they arent closing chapel street after all, just promoting the use of a very, very under used adjacent road that most people from outside of salford dont even know is there to share the load.

this is just another example of people moaning at change for the sake of moaning and without knowing all the facts.

and lets face it, those are the only kind of people the M.E.N. ever quote.

Where are the alternative routes from Bolton to Manchester? As far as I am aware many in Bolton have to go through Chapel Street to get into town.

No,many in Bolton DO go through Chapel Street, they don't HAVE to.

Thanks, Gdogg for saving me the effort.

I think twat-navs and HA signage also plays a part.

Traffic should be directed in via the M602 and Regent Road instead, it is always quicker. Why people would rather sit in a multiple traffic light queue along the A580/A6 is beyond me.

In fact, they'd be better shuffling all traffic down Albion Way, which is already part grade-separated outside Salford Crescent Station. Otherwise, you could create a gyratory system with inbound traffic via Oldfield Road and outbound via Albion Way.

The area resembles an urban motorway wasteland, rather than a regional centre.

As for the renders, if general traffic is kept, keep the buses on a separate 'bus only' track/lane section, and have a two-way general traffic section.

Buses and bicycles should be kept separate, a segregated cycleway could be accomodated on the widened pavement.

It is how they do it on the Continent!

I think twat-navs and HA signage also plays a part.

Traffic should be directed in via the M602 and Regent Road instead, it is always quicker. Why people would rather sit in a multiple traffic light queue along the A580/A6 is beyond me.

In fact, they'd be better shuffling all traffic down Albion Way, which is already part grade-separated outside Salford Crescent Station. Otherwise, you could create a gyratory system with inbound traffic via Oldfield Road and outbound via Albion Way.

The area resembles an urban motorway wasteland, rather than a regional centre.

As for the renders, if general traffic is kept, keep the buses on a separate 'bus only' track/lane section, and have a two-way general traffic section.

Buses and bicycles should be kept separate, a segregated cycleway could be accomodated on the widened pavement.

It is how they do it on the Continent!

regent road is indeed another route into the city centre, especially if you have just come off the m602. im not sure it can take much more in the way of traffic though. it looks a bit of a car park itself at peak times.

Regent Road is gridlocked. You're best going left down Albion Way and waiting at the light to turn right down corrugated Liverpool Road (if your suspension can take it).

Or take a sneaky shortcut up Windsor Street behind the Peugeot Garage and turn right onto Liverpool Road.

Regent Road is gridlocked. You're best going left down Albion Way and waiting at the light to turn right down corrugated Liverpool Road (if your suspension can take it).

Or take a sneaky shortcut up Windsor Street behind the Peugeot Garage and turn right onto Liverpool Road.

liverpool road is definitely pretty shagged out and in need of a resufacing before traffic volumes can be increased.

I'm sorry to be an enormous pedant, but can I just point out that we are discussing Liverpool street, not Liverpool road? :)

I was just going to say that, you beat me to it! (For the uninformed, Liverpool Road is in Manchester, alongside MOSI)
where do you class the crescent as ending? by the precinct? if so i think the idea is that some of the cars turn right off the crescent, past the precinct and down liverpool road.
Towards Manchester, the Crescent[1] is the continuation of Broad Street after Windsor Bridge (Salford Crescent station) and ends at Adelphi St/Oldfield Rd where it joins Chapel Street. So traffic could use Albion Way, leaving the area in front of the Uni, Library and Art Gallery relatively traffic free. I wonder if that would also involve re-routing the A6 signage to reflect the change?

[1]More pedantry - it's not The Crescent: the street signs have always said just Crescent. I also think Windsor Bridge is the proper street name for that small section. :cheers:

I I wonder if that would also involve re-routing the A6 signage to reflect the change?[:

i dont see why not. market street was originally part of the a6 before it was pedestrianised. the signs were changed and the traffic rerouted in that instance, so why not this?

Ladywell Point on Eccles New Road in Salford has motored ahead after temporarily halting. Crane is still up, but the 2nd building (virtually identical to the 1st) is nearing completion.

There are foundations in place for another 3rd block and probably room for a 4th if the demand is there, but it's in a good place transport wise, next to Ladywell Tram Stop and near the M602 & Eccles Town Centre - not a bad base for the Media City workers.

Random pic of the 1st phase:

http://imganuncios.mitula.net/2_bedroom_flat_to_rent_salford_m50_united_kingdom_92764143592340064.jpg

Yeah but its in Eccles.

pendantary alert!Actually Manc Guy, technically its in Salford. Eccles 'stops' at Guilda Brook Rd.

dble post

isn't Eccles in Salford anyway?

Yep, as an Eccles lad for 26 years, I can confirm this is just outside Eccles! ;)

isn't Eccles in Salford anyway?

Eccles is it's own place and has it's own name though. I would assume Central Salford was referring specifically to Chapel Street/ Greengate and the Crescent regeneration

^^ That's pretty much it, but generic Salford stuff and even Eccles developments have been lumped in here before! :nuts:

btw, we went to Aldi at Eccles yesterday on the way back from Ikea, first time i've been to Eccles for a about 3 years. The town centre feels like its in the way of a complicated road network (especially where the old hospital used to be). It just feels like a town where you get caught in a loop driving round

It just feels like a town where you get caught in a loop driving round
Hotel Eccles?

You can come here any time you like but you can never leave...

:goodbye:

btw, we went to Aldi at Eccles yesterday on the way back from Ikea, first time i've been to Eccles for a about 3 years. The town centre feels like its in the way of a complicated road network (especially where the old hospital used to be). It just feels like a town where you get caught in a loop driving round

It's the town that time forgot.

Ok, some actual Central Salford stuff! :)

Work to start on first phase of Salford's £650m revamp

The first stage of a £650m project to regenerate an area of Salford will get under way next week.

The run-down Chapel Street area is to receive a complete revamp, which will include new housing, shops, cafes and other businesses.

The scheme, along a major commuting route into Manchester city centre, involves reducing the road to one lane in each direction for cars.

Work on the road starts on Monday. Commuters have been warned of delays.

The route will be reduced to one lane in each direction for all traffic until November. It will then be widened to incorporate one lane for all traffic and one for buses and cycles in each direction.

'Neglected for too long'

Motorists have been advised to use Liverpool Street and Regent Road.

Salford City Council expects the project to bring more than £500m of investment to the city and create 11,000 new jobs.

Councillor Derek Antrobus, of Salford City Council, said the area had been "neglected for too long".

"This is the first stage of our plan to transform this area of Salford into a new business destination for the region.

"However, it is not only business who will benefit, it will also bring a wealth of new jobs and opportunities into the city, as well as creating new homes and a safe and accessible public area for local people to enjoy."

He said he wanted Chapel Street to be "a destination, not a driving thoroughfare".

"There is already a vibrant community based in the area and we expect this to thrive with the new development.

"Salford Cathedral will be at the heart of this development and a number of other historic buildings are set to benefit."

The Chapel Street redevelopment is being carried out by the English Cities Fund, in partnership with the council.

Work on the roads and public spaces is being funded by the Northwest Regional Development Agency and the European Regional Development Fund.

The Reverend Andy Salmon, chair of the Chapel Street Regeneration Forum, said: "We need Chapel Street to be an area that works for the community as well as being a commuter route.

"While I accept in the short term this is going to be disruptive, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, and I'm sure the final outcome will be well worth it."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-12754534

I noticed the other day that new hoardings had gone up on Langworthy Road by the Urban Splash 'upside down houses'. Is this just a tidying job because the old ones were falling down or is something happening there to finish the job at last?

unless i have misunderstood the status of this project, is the above news article not slightly misleading? it gives the impression that £650 million of work has been funded when it hasnt.

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I noticed the other day that new hoardings had gone up on Langworthy Road by the Urban Splash 'upside down houses'. Is this just a tidying job because the old ones were falling down or is something happening there to finish the job at last? No, just tidying up, the local community has to beg everytime to keep this site at least a bit tidy and safe, economic climate still not seems right, although they do seem to do lots of other work elsewehere: Urban Splash Newsletter March 2011 (http://images.urbansplash.co.uk/news/2011/mar11/mar11.html)

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looks good. is any of it funded?

Hi Hessel

Thanks for the images, the Chapel Street one is the clearest view I've seen so far - good things coming but short term pain!

On the colour schemes, I think the best one is the last, blue one. The one with speckles might date and the yellow one is a bit, yellow.

My problem is with these reclads is the use of grey/blue etc.. always gives this connotation of an industrial unit, especially when materials such as rainscreen cladding is used. What would be nice is subtle shades of earthy colours, a palette that reflects the calmer aspects of life, like the countryside, to compensate for living in a high density environment close to high volume rail infrastructure and on the perimeter of a vibrant, bustling city :)

Is Chimney Pot Park still not finished then?

My problem is with these reclads is the use of grey/blue etc.. always gives this connotation of an industrial unit, especially when materials such as rainscreen cladding is used. What would be nice is subtle shades of earthy colours, a palette that reflects the calmer aspects of life, like the countryside, to compensate for living in a high density environment close to high volume rail infrastructure and on the perimeter of a vibrant, bustling city :)

i know taste is subjective but i have to disagree with you on the colour scheme. i like the blue and grey one. the orange and brown one looks a bit GM buses for my liking. anyway, whichever colour is chosen it will be a massive improvement on what is there at the minute. just look at those highrises in hulme. they look great now they have had a makeover.

Is Chimney Pot Park still not finished then?
No, the development is still in the semi-abandoned state it was in when the money ran out in 2006/7. The completed houses are pretty much all occupied but the frontage to Langworthy Road is just a hoarding and empty site, with a steel frame holding up the last terrace frontage.

At least the park itself is finished (though I haven't been up to it for some time) and the new church and community centre looks like it may be near completion - about 3 years late.

There's an article in the MEN with regards to the chaos caused by the road works on the Crescent as well as the other road works in the area (Liverpool St, Albion Way and Regent St).

Apparantly Virgin need to re route some of their broadband cables and this is holding up some of the other road works in the area.

Although I wouldn't wrap up my chips in the MEN, I do find some of the people who comment on these articles quite amusing. The Leigh guided busway comes under fire from a number of people.

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1411366_its_mayhem_rush_hour_motorists_gridlocked_in_salford_as_work_begins_on_narrowing_the_a6#comments

This is the link to the story.

Could someone explain to me how I can post articles directly into these replies?

Many thanks.

Could someone explain to me how I can post articles directly into these replies?

Many thanks.

I can't answer your question but it's probably not a good idea anyway, due to copyright issues.

Could someone explain to me how I can post articles directly into these replies?
Just wrap QUOTE tags around the copied/pasted text - same as you do when quoting another poster. There's a button to help - third from the right at the top of the reply box.

It's better, btw, to be selective when pasting articles - easier for others to read and avoids possible copyright problems.

Gotta agree with the poster who complained at the massive pavement in the middle of the road looking like Manchester Airports 4th runway. My mate has the documents that were originally planned 4 years ago for Blackfriars Road between Silk St and Trinity Way where they planned to remove the safety railings (even outside the school), and narrow traffic down to one lane which would have created the same problems for traffic coming down Great Clowes St. He's just been saying how long it will be before the residents behind Chapel St/Islington in the prime spots are priced out. As it stands at the moment Silk St is bound to provide relief from going down Chapel St after motorists have crawled down the Crescent thereby directing more cars into an already busy residential area

i know taste is subjective but i have to disagree with you on the colour scheme. i like the blue and grey one. the orange and brown one looks a bit GM buses for my liking. anyway, whichever colour is chosen it will be a massive improvement on what is there at the minute. just look at those highrises in hulme. they look great now they have had a makeover.
Hehe! GM buses... Wasn't living around here in them days, but I've seen the pics. :)

I rather like the orange and yellow, breaks the building up a bit. Couldn't agree more regarding the high rises in Hulme. There are a few more being done right now and they really smarten up quite nicely. Not sure what work is going on inside, mind. Would be nice to know.

Hehe! GM buses... Wasn't living around here in them days, but I've seen the pics. :)

I rather like the orange and yellow, breaks the building up a bit. Couldn't agree more regarding the high rises in Hulme. There are a few more being done right now and they really smarten up quite nicely. Not sure what work is going on inside, mind. Would be nice to know.

It's all part of Decent Homes isn't it? In which case the work varies depending on what is required but is usually new kitchens, bathrooms, wiring, insulation (I think in the case of cladding highrises, the cladding is insulating) and roofs.

Anyone any idea what development(s) the below is referring to, doesn't ring any bells for me...

"The plans were originally submitted in 2005 but the recession saw the scheme – which includes four tower blocks of 40, 25, 19 and 13 storeys – put on hold."

http://www.salfordonline.com/localnews_page/26900-chapel_street_developer_boost.html

Anyone any idea what development(s) the below is referring to, doesn't ring any bells for me...

"The plans were originally submitted in 2005 but the recession saw the scheme – which includes four tower blocks of 40, 25, 19 and 13 storeys – put on hold."

http://www.salfordonline.com/localnews_page/26900-chapel_street_developer_boost.html

It's this one, Chapel Wharf,

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=243356

This is what the renewed planning permission relates to, the big empty plot by The Edge and Lowry Hotel. From the docs:

"This application relates to a large site bounded by Chapel St to the north, the Lowry Hotel and River Irwell to the south, Trinity Bridge House, which houses the Inland Revenue, to the west and the Edge apartment development and Barlows Croft to the east. The site covers an area of 1.8 hectares and has a frontage to chapel Street of some 95m. The site is currently occupied by a number of buildings and uses. The DC Thomson building stands on the Chapel Street frontage and there is an existing surface car park for the Lowry hotel with the remainder of the site being given over to pay and display surface car parking.

The Flat Iron Conservation Area borders the site in the north east corner on the Chapel Street frontage.

The scale of buildings around the site varies from two and three storey properties on Chapel Street to larger scale eight to twelve storey buildings on Dearman’s place and on the river frontage. The Edge development to the east of the site rises to 21 storeys.

There is no dominant style of building in the vicinity of the site with existing neighbouring buildings ranging from Victorian properties forming the historic grain to Chapel Street and the wider conservation area, to modern structures such as Trinity Bridge House, the Lowry Hotel and the Edge apartment scheme all adjacent to the site. There is no dominant building rhythm around the site and the site’s context is characterised by the historical tight street pattern to the north east, with all other adjacent sites being made up of large-scale building plots."

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Not sure about the comment that Greengate is unique as the only place in the UK where two cities touch - Westminster and London come to mind for one, possibly Leeds-Bradford for another?

Currently consulting http://campusplan.salford.ac.uk/

Not sure about the comment that Greengate is unique as the only place in the UK where two cities touch - Westminster and London come to mind for one, possibly Leeds-Bradford for another?

I presume it means city centres. Leeds and Bradford are cities that have grown out so that their suburbs meet making them a conurbation like Greater Manchester is a conurbation. Newcastle and Gateshead is the usual comparison to Manchester and Salford.

Currently consulting http://campusplan.salford.ac.uk/


Salford Uni to begin redevelopment later this year

29 Mar 2011, 10:05

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The £75m first phase of Salford University's new-look campus will feature a refurbished and extended Chapman Building and a new arts building.

A later phase will see a £30m student halls of residence overlooking Peel Park to be delivered by a private developer.

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Next year, work will begin on a series of public spaces at Chapman Square and Station Square near to Salford Crescent Station, including outdoor lecture theatres, performance areas and quieter external meeting places where staff, students and members of the public can come together in an informal setting.

Companies already involved in the development include:


Turley Associates, planning advisors
Davis Langdon, project and programme manager
Arcadis, cost manager on Chapman Building
Appleyard & Trew, cost manager on rest of projects
Stride Treglown, architect on Arts Building
Fairhurst Design Group, architect on Chapman Building

Dr Adrian Graves, the university's deputy vice-chancellor, said: "Our campus plan is an incredibly exciting development in the life of the university. Our plans will forever transform the campus and give our students access to outstanding facilities and an experience of unparalleled quality."

A series of briefings are currently underway to inform local residents of the university's plans and how they will benefit the community.

http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/archive/8674-salford-uni-to-begin-redevelopment-later-this-year.html

chapel street road works seem to be causing problems for some of my co workers recently. will be interesting to see if any attempt is made to re route some of the buses to reduce traffic flow.

chapel street road works seem to be causing problems for some of my co workers recently. will be interesting to see if any attempt is made to re route some of the buses to reduce traffic flow.

It has improved since people finally realised they ought to find alternative routes. I doubt the buses will be re-routed as they need to serve the university.

http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/archive/8674-salford-uni-to-begin-redevelopment-later-this-year.html

Nice! One of these days when I am doing a wee little talk there, I get some pictures of the city centre(s).

I was at one of those meetings to tell the local community about the benefits of this carefully thought out multi-million pound multi-decade improvement proposal.

Unfortunately some of the esteemed community representatives were of the opinion that the University was clearly an agent of Satan. They distinctly remembered playing in Peel Park when they were small children in the 1870s and before there had been all these young people with headphones and that's the way they wanted it to stay. The University had also conspired to obtain Salford Crescent Station for their exclusive benefit and forced the common folk to lose their much beloved Pendleton Station, oh yes.

Does anyone think "Salford University Redevelopment Masterplan" should have it's own thread? How do we do that?

It has improved since people finally realised they ought to find alternative routes. I doubt the buses will be re-routed as they need to serve the university.

Liverpool Street and Blackfriars Road are both a little busier than usual, although there is still plenty of capacity in both for those who decide that sitting in a queue to make a point is ultimately futile.

Unfortunately some of the esteemed community representatives were of the opinion that the University was clearly an agent of Satan. They distinctly remembered playing in Peel Park when they were small children in the 1870s and before there had been all these young people with headphones and that's the way they wanted it to stay. The University had also conspired to obtain Salford Crescent Station for their exclusive benefit and forced the common folk to lose their much beloved Pendleton Station, oh yes.
I think I know some of those people. :bash:

anyone know what the sp is with the surface carpark just off chapel street that is next door to the edgerton/salford central? they have dug the whole thing up! is this connected to the redevelopment of the area?

any takers?

any takers?

No idea Gdogg, but they've just done that massive planning app. so hopefully it's the start of something big!

No idea Gdogg, but they've just done that massive planning app. so hopefully it's the start of something big!

i did hope it was something to do with that, but i was under the impression that all of this was at the aspirational stage, rather than the imminent stage.

Was not sure where to put this and didn't wish to open a new thread for one item.

But this got sent to me. (and yeah I know it aint central Salford, more Broughton.

http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/archive/8806-salford-city-fc-wins-approval-for-clubhouse.html

more goings on it that car park today with heavy plant machinery on site. im still trying to work out whether they have just been doing some levelling of the site or if it is closed because something is about to be built on it.

So I just been reading further into this Chapel Street development.

I'm worried it won't attract enough business to become successful. Salford Council hardly have a good track record of that, after all. Obviously it attracts students and things during the day, but what's being done in the way of making it a city centre district, so to speak? Yeah they're slowing down the cars and widening the pavements to make it seem a more attractive area, but will SC publicize it enough to make it successful. With cafes, restaurants etc etc.

It's clear that Salford Crescent has the potential to become the new Oxford Road, what with the University (not two, admittedly, but a university. So, I thought what's the sort of stuff that I (as a student) would like down there? Well, a McDonalds to start with. Primark would be a bonus. It would attracts hundreds of people, but I doubt that'll get set up there. Subway would easily set up two branches because they seem to enjoy doing that.

I wouldn't mind the area around Bexley Square to become a vintage/boutique area. It's already very chic and cute, something like a smaller version of the Northern Quarter would do okay here. Nice cafes with chairs spilling out onto the street etc.

If anyone's ever been to Sticky Fingers, I think a branch of them would do good with the students on Chapel Street.

But anyway, I'd like them to change Chapel Street into a bustling area all day round and all weekend/night round ... hopefully that'll happen?

Don't know what to make of this, an extension of the stay-inn next to trinity way from OMI:

Reference: 11/60170/FUL
Alternative Reference: PP-01427467
Application Received: 01 Apr 2011
Address: Land Formerly 54 Hodson Street Salford
Proposal: Erection of a 7 storey 23 bedroomed hotel with ground floor retail unit
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Stayed in that hotel before, what a dump! Saw someone smoking crack out the back too during my stay! Anything would be an improvement...

The development across the road behind th Renault garage looks as though it's finished, externally at least. It looked good driving down Trinity Way.

The development across the road behind th Renault garage looks as though it's finished, externally at least. It looked good driving down Trinity Way.

That cheapy looking apartment block? It looks horrible on our street. Opressive, like an extension of Strangeways. The Richmond Hill block across the road from it where the old folks home used to be may look like its made out of cardboard but it looks far more pleasing to look at

That cheapy looking apartment block? It looks horrible on our street. Opressive, like an extension of Strangeways. The Richmond Hill block across the road from it where the old folks home used to be may look like its made out of cardboard but it looks far more pleasing to look at

I think it looks modern- as though the city centre has crossed the ring road and is an improvement on the vista of neglected council tower blocks. It's also quite a bit smaller than these neighbouring towers, so don't see that it is oppressive either.

That cheapy looking apartment block? It looks horrible on our street. Opressive, like an extension of Strangeways. The Richmond Hill block across the road from it where the old folks home used to be may look like its made out of cardboard but it looks far more pleasing to look at

I wasn't mad about the renders, but now its finished I think it looks ok. That part of Blackfriars Road felt a bit bleak as you leave Manchester, particularly since Spectrum has been completed. The new building helps link the Greengate blocks with the city centre.

I just hope they price them sensibly and they can sell/rent them pretty quickly, because the last thing this area needs is more surplus apartments flooding the market. A decent occupant for the retail unit would certainly be a plus as well, but given all the empty space in the office/retail floor in Spectrum, i'm not holding my breath.

I didn't know Spectrum had retail units. Do you know how many? Are any let yet?

I didn't know Spectrum had retail units. Do you know how many? Are any let yet?

I don't know how many but there is some ground floor space in a few buildings fronting onto Blackfriars Road. The old marketing suite is also vacant and I assume this could be used for retail. There are four small office blocks on the King Street side of the development, sandwiched beween the residential blocks. They also have consent for retail but you would have to be mental to use them for that purpose, as it is basically a back street. As far as I know none of the office/retail space is occupied.

More detail on the winning scheme as well as images from all competition entries uploaded to the Salford House 4 Life website

http://www.salfordhouse4life.com


http://www.salfordhouse4life.com/photos/shortlist/thumbs/simpsons.jpg
Ian Simpson Architects and Gort Scott Architects with Places for People supported by Landscape Projects, Atelier Ten and Robinson Building

have renders been released of what the road layout of chapel street is going to look like once complete?

the current layout whilst work is being done, from salford central all the way to salford crescent, is absolutely schizophrenic and its very hard to envisage what the final layout will be.

have renders been released of what the road layout of chapel street is going to look like once complete?

the current layout whilst work is being done, from salford central all the way to salford crescent, is absolutely schizophrenic and its very hard to envisage what the final layout will be.

Is this one from a couple of pages back not it?

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Other than to cause disruption, congestion and annoyance, what's the point of these stupid fucking chicanes they have constructed snaking up and down chapel street on the outside lanes of eitherside of the road as you approach the university from Manchester

aye...they're quite bizarre...the image above doesn't really reflect the chicanes at all. the work goes on far beyond this also, right up to salford crescent.

aye...they're quite bizarre...the image above doesn't really reflect the chicanes at all. the work goes on far beyond this also, right up to salford crescent.

These crackpots have gone as far as they can short of actually blocking the
highway all together.
It looks to me as though they dont give a toss about anyone using this road as it's not their problem, whoever signed off spending this amount of money on this scheme should be fitted with a strait jacket and placed in a secure unit.
An inner city boulevard with cafes is their vision ffs, sounds like great fun choking on the exhaust fumes whilst enjoying a latte.

It sounds like you are getting the point! The intention is to move traffic off Crescent/Chapel St on to Liverpool St and Regent Rd. It's going to be a single lane with a 20mph limit. (Does that mean traffic will speed up when it's finished? :nuts:) Regent Rd can allegedly take 40% more flow into Manchester by tweaking the traffic lights. So that's ok then. :ohno:

regent road is gridlocked each and every rush hour as it is.

The scheme is completely mental - what a waste of money - even the local green party members are against it.

I'm only hoping that 'sods' law works in our favour and it all gets dug up again in the near future (for my fantasy Metrolink line ;) )

The idea behind the public realm improvements is to 'lift' the area from being nothing more than a multi-lane road with derelict buildings alongside, to one which will attract, and keep, development which will increase footfall.

Buses and pedal cycles don't mix, its dangerous, and you only see it in Britain.

Pedestrian priority paving is not enforced consistently. Traffic lights protect one side, but not the other. Recipe for disaster.

Junction railings, which cause another safety issue between pedestrians, cyclists and large turning vehicles, which are a cause of many deaths (more than stabbings!) in Central London.

Nowhere near enough tree planting to migitate traffic fumes or provide shelter from inclement weather.

Instead, I'd have:

a segregated cycleway, as part of the widened pavement

bus-only two-way road, so that priority is not lost at junctions, where buses lose most of their time

remove traffic lights, which are a source of congestion, replace with roundabouts and zebra crossings

and change curve radius at junction corners to decrease vehicular speeds.

Those visuals proposals look piss poor, like most highway departments efforts.

a segregated cycleway, as part of the widened pavement



Yes, apart from the chicanes, quite why there isn't a proper cycle lane is stupid. Instead we have MANs 3rd runway....

What do you think of making Regents road into more of the M602?

Yes, apart from the chicanes, quite why there isn't a proper cycle lane is stupid. Instead we have MANs 3rd runway....

What do you think of making Regents road into more of the M602?

Salford CC doesn't do proper cycle lanes, even when given a fresh, blank canvas and huge budget (see Broadway/MediaCity UK Link Road).

As for Regent Road/M602, the road should have been extended off-line, through the Red Rose Retail Park/Sainsburys, but SQDC went for a cheaper, on-line upgrade in the 80s, given their budget. None of the buildings have architectural merit or heritage, CPO the lot, build it alongside the railway.

It'd be a parking, traffic and air quality disaster for the city centre if it got built though. But if it meant a better Chapel Street and Regent Road, that would counterbalance it.

Salford CC doesn't do proper cycle lanes, even when given a fresh, blank canvas and huge budget (see Broadway/MediaCity UK Link Road).

As for Regent Road/M602, the road should have been extended off-line, through the Red Rose Retail Park/Sainsburys, but SQDC went for a cheaper, on-line upgrade in the 80s, given their budget. None of the buildings have architectural merit or heritage, CPO the lot, build it alongside the railway.

It'd be a parking, traffic and air quality disaster for the city centre if it got built though. But if it meant a better Chapel Street and Regent Road, that would counterbalance it.

But who is this very expensive masterplan going to benefit ?
Whenever i've travelled along this road apart from a couple of hundred yards around the uni it's deserted.
I travel from Horwich to the Bexley Square area a couple of times a month
and if I hadn't a bootfull of bags to take would use the train every time.
Salford c c are in my opinion trying to create their own city centre and sod anyone else, a classic example of how to spend someone elses money.

But who is this very expensive masterplan going to benefit ?
Whenever i've travelled along this road apart from a couple of hundred yards around the uni it's deserted.
I travel from Horwich to the Bexley Square area a couple of times a month
and if I hadn't a bootfull of bags to take would use the train every time.
Salford c c are in my opinion trying to create their own city centre and sod anyone else, a classic example of how to spend someone elses money.

this is just like the sort of ill informed crap you read on posts about evening news articles. you know sweet FA about salford or salford council mate. the area you are referring to is salford city centre. every other city centre in the uk has been allowed to regenerate (a lot of it funded by tax income not accrued from within their own county boundaries) so why not salford?

you also havent even bothered to go back a few pages on here toi examine comment from people regarding traffic flow along this road. a lot of cross town traffic comes from the city in the east and down chapel street because people who dont know the area come straight down the east lancs and just follow their sat nav straight into a traffic jam.

much of the traffic trying to make an west - east journey across the city centre, but arriving along the east lancs rather than m602 can be redirected via liverpool street along the trinity way bypass and along the mancunian way. anything wishing to access deansgate can left along the trinity way bypass and join quay street. liverpool street is a total ghost town at night and only slightly more busy in the day, so its capacity is wasted whilst chapel street is over stretched.

also i live in the immediate vicinity of the chapel street/trinity way junction and it is best described as a death trap for vehicles and pedestrians alike. the more traffic that can be directed away from this the better.

and if that isnt enough for you, it will be the salford economy that benefits. salford council have been very successful at turning the wastelands of salford docks into salford quays. the area is now repopulated with people paying council tax, rather than just rusting barges and crains.

the chapel street area will be repopulated with offices and residential developments, replacing the current burnt out pubs and hotels. to make this area more attractive, removing a stretch of road the promotes demolition derbies in the day and free practice for the italian grand prix at night is a major part of that.

I'm probably the only guy in NW Manchester who agrees with these ideas (although I don't own or drive a car down here on a daily basis so :|)

Kensington High Street in London (used to be) a road like Chapel Street. A main route into the city from the West. That road still is immensely busy, and 2 lanes on each side, but they're hundreds of lovely bars, cafes, restaurants and shops lining each side of the street. A proper High Street.

High Street Kensington tube is built into a lovely arcade complex, something which I would love to see with Salford Crescent Station. Kensington High Street is just a street, but Salford Crescent is a street with the odd square & gardens aligning it, with the added joy of having a riverside waterfront at one point. It has so much potential, however, would I like to see SC carrying out such a project? No. Do I think SC will fulfil this project to the best of their ability? No. Do think the shops down this new "high street" will be half-decent? No. Black and Decker mark 2 here we come.

salford council have been very successful at turning the wastelands of salford docks into salford quays. the area is now repopulated with people paying council tax, rather than just rusting barges and crains.

ITYF that it was Salford Quays Development Corporation that was responsible for the success in redeveloping Salford Quays, not Salford CC. In fact, had the SQDC not been wound up, as there was plenty of unfinished business to do, we might have seen bigger success earlier.

I feel sorry for those who bought into the previous promises of regeneration last time, those who moved into the likes of Transport House, City Gate, and the Irwell Valley one on the corner of Trinity Way/Chapel Street (its name evades me!). Let us hope this time around, their promises come to fruition.

Salford c c are in my opinion trying to create their own city centre and sod anyone else, a classic example of how to spend someone elses money.Bexley Square is the historic centre of Salford (before the Metropolitan boroughs were formed), so why can't Salford Council spend money getting it back to being a city centre instead of a shortcut to Manchester? As for spending someone else's money, the funding bodies must have seen something of worth in these proposals.

People are quick to criticise the work before it's finished. I'm not sure where the traffic is going to go - but Chapel Street has been a mess for years, I for one am glad to see something happening at long last.

the new south-bound third lane on Albion Way, funneling traffic from the East Lancs directly onto Liverpool Street looks almost complete now.

Chapel Street with less traffic will be great for so many reasons. I'd rather have one major, ugly, high-volume dual carriageway (Regent Road) than two. An Improved Regent Road keeps Manchester's Western routes snarl-free whilst allowing Chapel Street to be the City Centre that Salford is promised.

The capacity problem with Regent Road isn't in the lane capacity or the traffic light sequences. As anyone who uses it knows, speeds along the main stretch are usually consistent, but it's the huge junction at the Eastern end that slows down this route. With extra traffic diverted from Chapel Street, this junction is getting even worse!

The Trinity Way/Dawson Street/Regent Road/Water Street junction serves East-West A57 traffic and Orbital MSIRR traffic as well as traffic in and out of Manchester via Water Street. At peak times, the approach to this junction is awful.

At the moment, driving between the City Centre and Regent Road involves getting stuck in stop-start traffic on Trinity Way (from Water Street) or Dawson Street (from Deansgate or The Mancunian Way).

With more traffic being funnelled onto Regent Road in the future, I would push for this junction to be improved.

Here are how I'd propose changing the junction:

Traffic turning right from Water Street to Trinity Way should be banned. I see this right-turn as crippling for orbital traffic flow and rather pointless. This is because IMO motorists should be encouraged to use Irwell Street instead. Traffic flows between Regent Road and Trinity Way would improve greatly as cars would spend more time 'on green' through this junction.

More radically, if right turns from Trinity Way towards Water Street were also banned, Northbound traffic could flow freely, as there wouldn't be a junction here. Traffic could instead use Irwell Street or Dawson Street/Deansgate.

Even more radically, I would also suggest that Clockwise MSIRR (Dawson St to Trinity Way) traffic be grade separated with an overpass. Traffic flow to Regent Road would be improved Westbound from the A57 because of improved traffic speeds along Dawson Street.

There would be less dwell times at Lights at this junction because of fewer conflicting movements. This would improve journey speeds and capacity on Regent Road. Although seeming focussed on the motorist, deterring drivers from using Chapel Street gives further priority for Public Transport, Cycling and Pedestrians. I see this as a win-win for everyone.

this is just like the sort of ill informed crap you read on posts about evening news articles. you know sweet FA about salford or salford council mate. the area you are referring to is salford city centre. every other city centre in the uk has been allowed to regenerate (a lot of it funded by tax income not accrued from within their own county boundaries) so why not salford?



Well I am from the area and the road system is crap, theres no sense whatsoever for the central pavements to be that wide, unless Baroness Blears and co are planning on having summer evenings under giant brollies so she can waive at passers by. I know that the money spent has concerned tennants associations in my area who put forward that the man who passed this should lose his job. How they've broke the bus lanes up is criminal and they should have been a priority - not putting bloody fancy curves in an important road like the crescent. They even spent Gawd knows how much on drawing up plans to do Blackfriars Rd which thankfully never came to pass.

There's a a number of people who just can't visualise the Crescent and Chapel St being turned into Cappuccino St.

for the record - i'm looking forward to this redevelopment, as it is the historic centre of salford and it's criminal it ever became a dual carriageway in the first place.

however, I still don't understand what the final layout will look like, is it possible to see this anywhere? specifically the area from the old hospital through to salford crescent.

the new south-bound third lane on Albion Way, funneling traffic from the East Lancs directly onto Liverpool Street looks almost complete now.

albion way has a third lane??? when did this happen?

http://www.musedevelopments.com/assets/add_content/2salford_central_stanley_street.jpg

http://www.musedevelopments.com/assets/add_content/chapel_st_irwell_bridge.jpg

From http://www.musedevelopments.com/projects/our-projects/salford-central.html

albion way has a third lane??? when did this happen?

Work on the southbound A5063 (Albion Way) from Salford Crescent has been underway for a few months. It was improved to dual/2-lane standard in the 1980s, around the same time the station was built. One lane underneath Crescent was hatched off years ago, but has been restored and the carriageway widened in anticipation.

It is a shame they didn't sort the staggered pedestrian crossing at the same time, but at least they have upgraded it to toucan-style, enabling cyclists to reach the NCN Route 55 towards Cross Lane, Salford Quays, etc. from the Uni/Station.

http://www.musedevelopments.com/assets/add_content/2salford_central_stanley_street.jpg

http://www.musedevelopments.com/assets/add_content/chapel_st_irwell_bridge.jpg

From http://www.musedevelopments.com/projects/our-projects/salford-central.html

looks good. lets get started then.

These are the "New Bailey" commercial district renders - supposed to be a Spinningfields extension..I suppose rents will be cheaper being on the Salford side of the Irwell - maybe a catalyst for occupiers in these cash strapped times.

When was this proposed? I'm sure I've seen those renders elsewhere before ...

this is just like the sort of ill informed crap you read on posts about evening news articles. you know sweet FA about salford or salford council mate. the area you are referring to is salford city centre. every other city centre in the uk has been allowed to regenerate (a lot of it funded by tax income not accrued from within their own county boundaries) so why not salford?

you also havent even bothered to go back a few pages on here toi examine comment from people regarding traffic flow along this road. a lot of cross town traffic comes from the city in the east and down chapel street because people who dont know the area come straight down the east lancs and just follow their sat nav straight into a traffic jam.

much of the traffic trying to make an west - east journey across the city centre, but arriving along the east lancs rather than m602 can be redirected via liverpool street along the trinity way bypass and along the mancunian way. anything wishing to access deansgate can left along the trinity way bypass and join quay street. liverpool street is a total ghost town at night and only slightly more busy in the day, so its capacity is wasted whilst chapel street is over stretched.

also i live in the immediate vicinity of the chapel street/trinity way junction and it is best described as a death trap for vehicles and pedestrians alike. the more traffic that can be directed away from this the better.

and if that isnt enough for you, it will be the salford economy that benefits. salford council have been very successful at turning the wastelands of salford docks into salford quays. the area is now repopulated with people paying council tax, rather than just rusting barges and crains.

the chapel street area will be repopulated with offices and residential developments, replacing the current burnt out pubs and hotels. to make this area more attractive, removing a stretch of road the promotes demolition derbies in the day and free practice for the italian grand prix at night is a major part of that.

Well we will both have to see how it turns out when it's finished , hopefully you will get rid of the eyesores although I cant say it's ever likely to be my destination of choice for a relaxing lunch.
Just a point re the docks, they were deliberately run down in the eighties by the Canal company and shipping was being persuaded to use Ellesmere Port,
convenient as the Canal company also owned Ellesmere Port docks.
This left the dock estate and large swaithes of land including Dumplington site of the Trafford centre ripe to be developed by our "friends" at Peel after they bought control of the Ship Canal co.
Redeveloping the docks was obviously more lucrative than handling ships.
Funny how 20 odd years later Peel are building a multimodal port at Barton when they already had one at dock 9.

I support the re-development, the street has been awful for decades and finally something's being done to make it better. The half-finished bits near the university are starting to look very promising, getting rid of the barriers and broadening the centre section helps people cross the road in more places.

It's a road through a very busy, highly populated city and the priority should be like any city street - people on foot, people on bikes, people in buses and then people in cars.

We're at a very difficult stage where the benefits are hard to imagine and I don't find it easy to speak up when people start to complain about it.

But the thing to remember is that it isn't being made wrong now; it's been wrong for years and this is the start of putting it right.

Funny how 20 odd years later Peel are building a multimodal port at Barton when they already had one at dock 9.
Yes, but Barton is more convenient for road and rail links than the Quays. And whatever you may think of Peel, they aren't stupid - if it was in their interest to build the port at Dock 9 then they would have done so.

please lets not have another discussion about peel...

Sounds like the same old shit 'Romania1' was polluting the threads with not long ago

But the thing to remember is that it isn't being made wrong now; it's been wrong for years and this is the start of putting it right.

Thats a good way of putting it. Sadly people don't think that, particularly when they have become used to driving along it for the daily commute.

Chapel St, is one of my favourite parts of (what I consider to be) the city centre, yet sadly is a place I would take few visitors to Manchester. This looks like a long over-due rise in standards, of what could be a fantastic section of the city centre proper if you like, in terms of the standard of presentation of the buildings and architecture, streetscape and vibrancy.

As alluded to below, Chapel Street and Salford Crescent certainly cannot be left as they are and these improvements should be celebrated and will hopefully prove the catalyst that sees the area fulfil it's potential which will spread to the adjoining areas.

Sounds like the same old shit 'Romania1' was polluting the threads with not long agosssh. He may hear you... :bash:

And the 2011 SCC Architecture award for using as many possible different finishes, colours and materials on a single building or development goes to...

.... Salford Royal Hospital for their not-so-cohesive use of terracota tiles, blue and grey cladding, yellow render, and a mixture of sandstone and red brick for the perimeter wall...

Yes, but Barton is more convenient for road and rail links than the Quays. And whatever you may think of Peel, they aren't stupid - if it was in their interest to build the port at Dock 9 then they would have done so.

Dead right they arent stupid the land that was once owned by the Ship Canal co (50% owned by the City council) is now worth a lot more than the pittance they paid for the shares.
Rather than shutting the docks which in my opinion was very short sighted more container feeder vessels should have been utilised rather than depend on an ovestretched rail and road infrastructure.
It's just taken them 20 odd years to get round to it.
Just making the point that they made a killing on this, oh well I suppose getting the Trafford Centre kinda makes up for it.

*gently tries to steer conversation away from peel*

anyone know what is going on with east ordsall lane at the minute? there is a massive road shaped trench being dug from it to what looks like a possible junction with trinity way. is the road layout being changed or is this just coincidental and unrelated building work?

Here you go chaps. Nice big fat Gypsy Wedding Render first, then click on thel link for more info, renders, diagrams etc. You won't be bored.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1913/col1l.jpg

Design and Access Statement http://iclipseweb.salford.gov.uk/AnitePublicDocs/08221549.pdf (this is the baby)

11/60336/FUL | Demolition of existing buildings and erection of new teaching and learning building (the Arts Building) (including cafe and retail space, recording studios and theatre), associated landscaping and public realm improvements to Chapman Square and Cockcroft Road and associated ancillary works. | Ashworth And Wakefield Building Peel Park Campus University Of Salford Crescent Salford

http://publicaccess.salford.gov.uk/publicaccess/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=LKYWSENP5Y000

Docs.

http://iclipseweb.salford.gov.uk/AniteIM.WebSearch/Results.aspx

anyone know what is going on with east ordsall lane at the minute? there is a massive road shaped trench being dug from it to what looks like a possible junction with trinity way. is the road layout being changed or is this just coincidental and unrelated building work?
Yes, they are effectively putting back the connection from Trinity Way (northbound only) to Egerton St but calling it a diversion of East Ordsall Lane.

Report and plan: here (http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar_documents/PLMR190110A.DOC) (Word doc)
Approval: here (http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar_documents/decisions/PLMD211210B.DOC) (Word doc)

Yes, they are effectively putting back the connection from Trinity Way (northbound only) to Egerton St but calling it a diversion of East Ordsall Lane.

Report and plan: here (http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar_documents/PLMR190110A.DOC) (Word doc)
Approval: here (http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar_documents/decisions/PLMD211210B.DOC) (Word doc)

could you provide a bit of background on what the previous layout was exactly please? ive been trying to work out how things looked before trinity way was turned into a dual carraige way...

could you provide a bit of background on what the previous layout was exactly please? ive been trying to work out how things looked before trinity way was turned into a dual carraige way...
old-maps.co.uk is your friend! Enter co-ordinates 382900 & 398400 then select one of the maps on the right - 1980 and before shows the layout, the 1971 map has all the railway yards as well.

The south side of Trinity Way used to be a straight continuation of Irwell Street from the railway viaduct, joining the A6 Chapel St at a T-junction - what is now the top end of East Ordsall Lane. There were buildings where the north part of Trinity Way is now.

Egerton St used to connect to Irwell St and was originally connected to Trinity Way but this was blocked off to prevent rat-runs, pretty much where the new connection is going.

What was going on in Islington park today? Saw a crowd of maybe 100 and a few police officers at around 2. 30. Protest about the works maybe?

Oh righhht

http://www.salfordonline.com/localnews_page/28214-islington_park_mosaic_reopening.html

old-maps.co.uk is your friend! Enter co-ordinates 382900 & 398400 then select one of the maps on the right - 1980 and before shows the layout, the 1971 map has all the railway yards as well.

The south side of Trinity Way used to be a straight continuation of Irwell Street from the railway viaduct, joining the A6 Chapel St at a T-junction - what is now the top end of East Ordsall Lane. There were buildings where the north part of Trinity Way is now.

Egerton St used to connect to Irwell St and was originally connected to Trinity Way but this was blocked off to prevent rat-runs, pretty much where the new connection is going.

nice one for that. looks amazing. i had sort of figured out roughly some of the layout in my head, but it is great to see some of it confirmed. with the benefit of hindsight there is a very inviting strip of land on those maps through which to build trinity way.

i remember going with my dad to the swinton office on chapel street to renew his car insurance as a kid. it took me a while of living around here to twig that oldfield road was the place i remembered. the whole feel of the area has changed totally now the hospital and all the pubs have gone and trinity way is there.

i know the last section of trinity way that joins up with regent road was opened in 2003 roughly, but when was the section to the north of chapel street open? i remember always hearing the adverts for the renault garage on trinity way salford as a kid so it must have been there from at least the late 80s.

lastly, is the reason for the reinstatement of egerton street to try and coax cars off chapel street? it makes east ordsall lane suddenly seem relevant again as it has become a bit of a truncated cul de sac in recent times...

i know the last section of trinity way that joins up with regent road was opened in 2003 roughly, but when was the section to the north of chapel street open? i remember always hearing the adverts for the renault garage on trinity way salford as a kid so it must have been there from at least the late 80s.

lastly, is the reason for the reinstatement of egerton street to try and coax cars off chapel street? it makes east ordsall lane suddenly seem relevant again as it has become a bit of a truncated cul de sac in recent times...
March 1987 (http://www.salford.gov.uk/15704.htm) was the official opening of the northern section. And yes, the realignment of New Ordsall Lane is intended to move traffic off Chapel Street.

there is a location film crew parked on the car park next to the egerton pub as of this evening. watch out for some scenes on a wasteland in coronation street or something soon...

SSC.

11/60366/HYB | Full planning permission for the carrying out public realm improvement works, improvements to existing pedestrian and vehicular accesses, landscaping and internal pedestrian and highway works. Outline planning permission for the erection of up to 2100 student bedrooms within 3 no. blocks (maximum of 10 storeys above podium) including undercroft car parking | Peel Park Campus University Of Salford Crescent Salford
http://publicaccess.salford.gov.uk/publicaccess/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=externalDocuments&keyVal=LLBVIBNP5Y000

PNW.

Salford picks Wates to start campus renewal
8 Jul 2011, 14:53


Wates Construction has won a £4.6m contract for the refurbishment and extension of Salford University's Chapman Building.

This will be the first phase of the university's 20-year estates programme, called Campus Plan, which will deliver and refurbished buildings for a mixture of uses by staff and students.

Wates Construction will start work in August to bring the 1970s building fully up to date. The redevelopment will include upgrading the lecture theatre, a café breakout space on the ground floor, additional learning areas on the first floor and improving the external appearance of the building.

The wider Campus Plan involves the creation of attractive public spaces, a new arts building and self-contained student accommodation overlooking Peel Park. With 24-hour security, shops, restaurants and cafés, it is hoped that the residential development will boost the local economy and become part of the wider community.

Dr Adrian Graves, the university's deputy vice-chancellor, said: "The appointment of Wates Construction marks the beginning of a very exciting period of development for the University. We look forward to working with them as we invest in Salford's future."

John Shannon, business unit director for Wates Construction, said: "It is a pleasure to be working on the major refurbishment of the Chapman Building. This will substantially enhance the university's estate and facilities and we're proud to be involved in a project that will help improve the services offered to students in the city."

Campus Plan Report.

http://campusplan.salford.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0012/23520/lrCampus-Plan-Master-April-2011-ver-1.3.pdf

BDNW.

A PROJECT which will see more than 1,600 new homes created in the Salford borough of Pendleton has been approved by the Government.

Since the October public spending review, all housing private finance initiative (PFI) schemes nationwide have been frozen to face further scrutiny by the Homes and Communities Agency.

However, Housing Minister Grant Shapps yesterday signed off the next stage of a £115m investment programme for Pendleton after being reassured it will provide value-for-money improvements.

The plan involves the redevelopment of a massive area of Pendleton, which will be a mix of new homes and refurbishments to 1,200 existing properties. The council now needs to put a further business case to Government which, if approved, will lead to a preferred bidder being appointed to carry out the work within the next few months.

Cllr Peter Connor, Salford City Council's lead member for housing, said: "Our plan for Pendleton will give residents a better choice of affordable housing and we're pleased the Government supports us in what we're trying to achieve.

"There is still lots to do but this news allows us to move to the next stage, which is to submit further plans to the Government so we can move to financial close and start work."

Leader of Salford City Council, Cllr John Merry, said: "This review compared many PFI projects so for the Government to choose to support us shows our plans are very well thought out and good value for money for the people of Salford."

east ordsall lane is currently closed as part of the remodelling works in the area.

PNW.

Salford Uni seeks contractors for £38m arts building
13 Jul 2011, 13:22


Salford University is inviting expressions of interest for phase one of its £75m masterplan to regenerate its campus.

The university is seeking construction firms to build a new 172,222 sq ft arts building on a greenfield site in the centre of Peel Park, adjacent to existing student residences.

The seven-storey building is designed by Stride Treglown and worth up to £38m.

The university's masterplan includes a refurbished and extended Chapman Building, as well as the new arts building, and £30m student halls of residence overlooking Peel Park.

Salford University's proposals also include a series of public spaces at Chapman Square and Station Square near to Salford Crescent Station, including outdoor lecture theatres, performance areas and quieter external meeting places where staff, students and members of the public can come together in an informal setting.

Other companies already involved in the development include:

■Turley Associates, planning advisors
■Davis Langdon, project and programme manager
■Arcadis, cost manager on Chapman Building
■Appleyard & Trew, cost manager on rest of projects
■Fairhurst Design Group, architect on Chapman Building
Deadline for expressions of interest is 12pm on Tuesday 9 August. Salford University said it will send invitations to tender to selected candidates on Thursday 10 November 2011.

■For further details contact Dave Horton at Salford University on 0161 295 7983 or email d.horton@salford.ac.uk

Never seen this before, countryside properties' overall masterplan for lower broughton

http://mbla.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/BROUGHTON-5.jpg

http://mbla.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/BROUGHTON-10.jpg

http://mbla.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/BROUGHTON-30.jpg

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http://mbla.net/projects/lower-broughton-master-plan/

Salford Uni submits plans for £38m Arts school

17th August 2011

By Mike Fahy - Assistant Editor

THE University of Salford has submitted a planning application for its new £38m, 172,000 sq ft arts building.

The application is due to be considered by a Salford City Council planning committee tomorrow.

The development is part of a wave of investments planned to overhaul The University of Salford's property portfolio over the next 20 years.

This project will see the existing arts, design, media and performance functions being closed on its existing Adelphi Campus and relocating either to MediaCity or to this new £38m, seven-storey building on the main Peel Park Campus.

The new arts school will be built on the site of the Ashworth & Wakefield building, which is to be demolished. A new public realm area linking the new arts school with the Chapman Building, which is also currently being refurbished by Wates Construction, is also being proposed.

The arts building will contain a new Music school, an art & design school, offices and a new cafe and retail units. It is also being proposed that the building should be opened out to the public so they can attend performances and exhibitions. The proposed new school would be built to BREEAM "Excellent" standards and council officers are recommending it for approval.

Turley Associates is acting as planning consultants on the scheme. To date, no objections against the proposed development have been received.

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/

Ashworth And Wakefield Building Peel Park Campus University Of Salford Crescent Salford

Demolition of existing buildings and erection of new teaching and learning building (the Arts Building) (including cafe and retail space, recording studios and theatre), associated landscaping and public realm improvements to Chapman Square and Cockcroft Road and associated ancillary works.

http://publicaccess.salford.gov.uk/publicaccess/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=LKYWSENP5Y000

Planning permission granted...

http://www.salford.ac.uk/news/details/1427

Digging up the old 'sets' (more commonly mistaken for cobbles?) on Chapel St. After being buried under tarmac for years the new surface for Chapel St is remarkably similar (grey granite-like sets/bricks)

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab80/iheartthenew/0df49ce1.jpg

I noticed some of these the other day on a stretch of Ashton New Road, Droylsden, which they were about to dig up for the Metrolink tracks...

BTW - spelt with two tees - sett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sett_%28paving%29)

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc205/loweskid/Skyscrapercity/setts.jpg

BTW - spelt with two tees - sett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sett_%28paving%29)


Learn something everyday. Least I know they're not cobbles ;)

Bitumen is a good preserver then.

BDNW.

SALFORD University is planning to build 2,100 new student apartments as part of the wider development of its Peel Park campus.

The university has submitted an outline planning application for the £30m project next to Peel Park which involves the construction of three new tower blocks that will be up to ten storeys high.

The university's application states that much of its existing stock, although close to the campus, "is no longer attractive to prospective students (and their parents) who are becoming ever more discerning in their choice of accommodation and the type and range of facilities on offer".

It argues that more modern accommodations with facilities including en-suite bathrooms, wireless internet, card-code access points and upgraded kitchen facilities are needed.

The university's communications director Chris Larkin, said: “The proposed new student residences form an important part of our plan to transform our university campus and the role we play in supporting the regeneration of Salford.

"Students, sited at the heart of our campus, will have easier access to modern state of the art teaching and leisure facilities which will be shared with and will benefit the whole of the local community.”

The university has been advised on its application by Turley Associates. The application is set to be heard by Salford City Council's planning committee on Thursday, with planning officials recommending that the application is approved.

Should hopefully coincide with the Chapel Street "High Street" development and add a much needed buzz. As well as increasing patronage at Salford Crescent station :)

MAN cON.

Good day for Salford.

1st Sports Personality and now..........

THE Lowry Theatre on Salford Quays has been revealed as the venue for this year's Royal Variety Perfomance, after Bolton comedian Peter Kay let the cat out of the bag.

Kay appeared as a guest on Gordon Burns' Sunday morning BBC Radio Manchester show to talk about tickets for his latest run of stand-up gigs, but also said he was set to host the bash 'in Salford' at the end of the year. Kay also revealed details of the show, which takes place on December 5, to The Bolton News.

“I am made up to be hosting it again. To do it once was amazing, but to be asked back to do it again is mind-blowing," he told The Bolton News.

“I have been told this is the last one that the Queen will be attending, so it is even more special for me.”

Salford has also landed the BBC Sports Personality of the Year Awards, which will take place at MediaCity on December 22.

There will be two weeks of events at MediaCity in December, called Celebrate Sport.

What was going on in Islington park today? Saw a crowd of maybe 100 and a few police officers at around 2. 30. Protest about the works maybe?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnS8SgmrX90

Should hopefully coincide with the Chapel Street "High Street" development and add a much needed buzz. As well as increasing patronage at Salford Crescent station :)Former Salford brewery off Chapel Street set to become five-star rival to Lowry hotel

Neal Keeling

October 05, 2011

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The Brown Brothers building in Salford was a brewery and a carpet warehouse. It has been empty for 20 years.

A landmark building which has stood empty for two decades is set to become a 95-bedroom hotel.

It could mean the nearby five-star Lowry Hotel in Salford has a rival.

The Brown Brothers building which dates back to 1876, stands at the gateway to Manchester city centre in the heart of Salford’s Chapel Street regeneration area.

A former brewery and warehouse it has a chequered history. It was a carpet warehouse in the late 80s but shut after being targeted by arsonists.

An entrepreneur later carried out a partial revamp of the building and had plans to turn it into a department store but his business crashed and the refurbishment was never finished.

In 2003 planning permission was given for 16 apartments, a nursery, a coffee bar and a gallery.

Four years ago outline planning permission was given for the Artisan Property company to turn it into apartments and offices, a hotel and a new park.

HKR Architects won a high-profile contest to mastermind the redevelopment. They announced the scheme’s coloured glass balconies would ‘act as a beacon for the vibrant, prosperous, and beautiful’ brand of Salford Central.

Now Artisan, in conjunction with its partners, is proposing to turn the building off Trinity Way into a hotel with car parking for 32 cars.

A two-storey extension is planned to the existing three-storey building. The existing six-storey tower on the building would be extended to seven.

Councillors will consider the proposal tomorrow but town hall officers are recommending it should be approved. A council report says: "The Salford Central Development Framework states the central area offers a good location for high quality hotel development and that this is best located close to Salford Central Station.

"The existing building is somewhat of a landmark and it is therefore considered that in principle hotel accommodation."

Source: Manchester Evening News (http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1460756_former-salford-brewery-off-chapel-street-set-to-become-five-star-rival-to-lowry-hotel)

Hi Hessel, thanks for update on Brown Brothers, would be great to see something happen after all these years of waiting.

Not sure if this development would kill off our plans for turning Salford Magistrates into a boutique hotel though! A.

Hi Hessel, thanks for update on Brown Brothers, would be great to see something happen after all these years of waiting.

Not sure if this development would kill off our plans for turning Salford Magistrates into a boutique hotel though! A.Cheers Andy, I hope so too..., as I said as response on the MEN Article: "Hessel F de Boer, The Islington Estate Salford (05/10/2011 at 13:23) The plans look really good 11/59940/FUL, just hope that this time when planning is granted, the development really starts, and not get's mothballed again, to seek higher profits. Acquired by Artisan in 2006, with an architecteral competition to develop it in a 16 storey hotel won by HKR Architects, this seemed all very ambitious and then the credit crunch happened, and even the Salford Twin Towers died to death. As a local resident, blightned by the car park being used as a dumping ground (Finally got it cleaned by the ever so helpful contracter for the re-direction of East Ordsall Lane Birse Balfour Beatty) and the not so aesthetic use of the derelict building as a billboard for Trinity Way, I can not wait to get this building in use again and help the wider regeneration of Chapel Street. Hopefully the CPO (Compulsory Purchase Order) will help and prevent this building being derelict anymore for long at all !!!" Unquote. Here some images from the planning application:
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http://www.theislingtonestate.com/BB2.JPG
http://www.theislingtonestate.com/BB3.JPG
These do not reveil much, and part of East Ordsall Lane is now called Clermont Way:banana:
http://www.theislingtonestate.com/claremont256.jpg

The new highway junction onto Trinity Way shown on the site plan above is already built, just blocked off from opening whilst the finishing touches are done to the landscaping.

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Crescent Development Framework: Draft for Consultation

Information for Press release

Contacts: David Greenfield ext. 3264
Dan Welsh ext. 2630

Consultation on the "Gateway to Salford"

The Lead Member for Planning Derek Antrobus has approved consultation on a plan for the Crescent area of Salford. The area is the location for the University of Salford's main campus, Salford Museum and Art Gallery and the historic Peel Park. The plan (Draft Crescent Development Framework) has been prepared to seek the views of residents and other stakeholders on how the area should be developed over the next 10-15 years.

Consultation will be carried out between 7th November and 16th December 2011. Further details and a copy of the Framework can be downloaded from Crescent Masterplan (http://www.theislingtonestate.com/Crescent_Masterplan.pdf).

It is hoped that the final document will be adopted by the Council early in 2012.

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This render makes no sense whatsoever! As if the river and the meander on the other side is THAT close to the road!

This render makes no sense whatsoever! As if the river and the meander on the other side is THAT close to the road!Looks pretty accurate to me. Have a look at it on Google Maps (http://g.co/maps/x4wsj), the only thing they haven't got is the difference in height between the road and the river where the Crescent is built out over the river bank.

Looks pretty accurate to me. Have a look at it on Google Maps (http://g.co/maps/x4wsj), the only thing they haven't got is the difference in height between the road and the river where the Crescent is built out over the river bank.

Yes that's what I meant, height difference. There's a huge dip from the road to the waterside.

What are those nice looking (Georgian maybe?) terraces? Are they still homes are part of the university/solicitors now?

Mostly used as offices (not by the uni) at the moment.

Anyone else wonder if the hotel planning application has anything to do with a potential CPO if they didn't do anything? I wonder if they're following the same path as Britannia and the old London Rd Fire Station? Funny how within a week of SCC proposing to CPO half of Chapel St this app goes it...

For whom who are not able to make the consultation dates, herewith another exiting development that can benefit the progress of more schemes in Salford:
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£273m makeover to put Salford Crescent ahead of the curve

October 18, 2011


Town hall bosses were today considering plans for a dramatic £273m transformation of Salford Crescent.

The proposals would see the area completely regenerated over the next decade.

Salford council intends to apply for public funding to make the area a major visitor attraction.

They plan to:

- Regenerate Peel Park, the country’s first public park and an inspiration to LS Lowry;

- Create 3,500 jobs through a new business quarter;

- Demolish and redevelop the former police headquarters on the Crescent.

The square kilometre of Salford, bordering Manchester city centre, would see more than a quarter of a billion pounds worth of new development, including housing, offices and public spaces.

A new residential district, designed as a ‘modern interpretation’ of traditional terrace streets, would be built south of the A6 on land currently owned by Salford University.

New office blocks are planned for the area around Frederick Street.

Salford council wants to raise the district’s profile, while also signposting major Manchester tourist attractions down the road.

The masterplan incorporates the university’s existing redevelopment plans, as well current traffic calming on Chapel Street and improvements to Salford Crescent railway station.

The council’s vision says the city has bounced back with the regeneration of Salford Quays and MediaCity – dubbing the new plans the ‘next piece in the jigsaw’.

It adds: “The Crescent area will become a distinctive new neighbourhood. It will provide quality leisure business and learning opportunities that will enhance its existing heritage assets and take full advantage of the proximity of Manchester and Salford city centres.”

Next year, the council wants to set up a friends’ group for Peel Park, which the masterplan dubs an ‘underused oasis’. It would also set up a working party to obtain public funding for its regeneration.

The former police headquarters would be demolished and replaced with green space or car parking in the short term, with plans to build three blocks for cultural or business use in the long term.

Salford museum and art gallery would be transformed into a ‘nationally significant museum of social history’ as part of a bid to create a destination for ‘leisure and learning’. If approved today, the plans will go out to public consultation on November 7 for six weeks


http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/business/s/1462102_273m-makeover-to-put-salford-crescent-ahead-of-the-curve

Sounds great though it will open up another load of selfish comments from those commuters who are already unhappy with the Chapel Street redevelopment

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/business/s/1462102_273m-makeover-to-put-salford-crescent-ahead-of-the-curve

sounds terrific. is there any money to pay for any of it though?

Do they realy need to knock down the old police buildings?

It sounds like there is finally some real co-operation and joined up thinking with Manchester City Council. I erally hope this are fulfils the huge potential and becomes another extension of a greater city centre.

Do they realy need to knock down the old police buildings?

I agree. I'd hate to see the building go.

It's a minor eyesore at the moment:
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But, it looked great when it wasn't boarded-up and covered in posters (best picture I can find):
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© Austen Redman

The Crescent, Peel Park and Chapel St have such amazing potential.

^^ I'm with you. There will be plenty of shocking buildings and those beyond repair that will go, does this have to be one of them? It's one of the buildings that gives the Crescent it's somewhat (hidden) regal quality for me.

This said it has been specifically mentioned, so appears to be central to the new plans, so let's see what they are proposing in it's place?

^^ I'm with you. There will be plenty of shocking buildings and those beyond repair that will go, does this have to be one of them? It's one of the buildings that gives the Crescent it's somewhat (hidden) regal quality for me.

This said it has been specifically mentioned, so appears to be central to the new plans, so let's see what they are proposing in it's place?

It says it will be car parking or green space in the short term. What a waste. If the redevelopment runs out of steam (not beyond the realms of possibility) then they could be demolishing a perfectly decent building to become a permanent car park. Not very sustainable development:ohno:

Yeah it does seem a curious move to demolish a somewhat substantial build that could be renovated in order to have another gravel car park. Not convinced by this yet.

Yeah it does seem a curious move to demolish a somewhat substantial build that could be renovated in order to have another gravel car park. Not convinced by this yet.

Same... We just don't build buildings like this anymore...it would be preferable to seeing more glass buildings...it could break up the sameness of glass in the development, if I suspect that's what they are going to do

There are plenty of other buildings on The Crescent that deserve to see the business end of a bulldozer before the old Police Station. And plenty of plots to be used as car parks in the mean time. The whole idea smells a bit funny/nuts :crazy:

Place North West.

Salford updates Crescent plans

20 Oct 2011, 10:41


Consultation will open in November into a new planning framework for the Salford Crescent area of the city that includes new residential, offices and leisure development.

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Salford City Council this week approved the draft development framework, concentrated on three main areas:
■South of the A6: Consolidation of Salford University functions north of A6 will open up 'substantial parts of this area for development'; residential mainly, with some office and leisure uses to take advantage of the proximity to university
■University, Peel Park: Reflects university's ambitions to concentrate its activities in Peel Park and Frederick Road. 'This has the potential to reinvigorate Peel Park and it is proposed that a management plan for the park be produced following adoption of the framework.'
■Frederick Road: Framework proposes extending university development in the area around the Innovation Forum, and to the south of Frederick Road.

If adopted the framework will be a non-statutory planning document but will be a material consideration in the determination of planning applications.

The draft framework states: "The Crescent is Salford's principal higher education and cultural area and is a priority transformation area for the City Council. There are opportunities to deliver new commercial, residential, visitor and University related developments to take advantage of the Crescent's existing fine heritage and proximity to the regional centre."

The consultation runs from 7 November to 16 December 2011.

DTZ advised Salford City Council.

Planning » Planning Application Documents
11/61068/ADV | Display of freestanding double sided internally illuminated advertising unit | Land At Trinity Way Adjacent North Side Of Railway Bridge Opposite Gore Street Salford M3 5FP

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http://publicaccess.salford.gov.uk/publicaccess/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=externalDocuments&keyVal=LTZN3TNP00B00

Somewhat uncomfortable with that advertising board.

I understand the financial predicament local authorities are currently in and the potential this scheme may have to increase revenue. But it was only a short number of years ago that this road was built and Salford city council were making a big song and dance about the innovative public art that took pride of place in the central reservation:

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Essentially its a turbine of light with variable turn speed that responds to traffic speed/volumes. Personally I don't much are for it as a piece of art and I'm not convinced of how well the variable speed thing works. But in principle I'm a little uncomfortable with replacing art with advertising. Particularly where said art was (I suspect) funded from the public purse within the last decade. Hey if it was publicly funded, there may even be some claw back arrangement if the work of art is ripped out which would make things even worse.


Edit: Just found the 2004 press release talking about the art project:

Inner ring road complete after forty years

The switching on of Salford-themed light sculptures on Monday (29 November) will mark the completion of a 40 year old ring road dream.

The thermometer and turbine art works, based on the work of Salford-born scientist James Joule, are positioned on either side of the rail viaduct under which the newly-finished Trinity Way dual carriageway is routed.

At a cost of £1.8 million and taking 10 months to complete, this carriageway, which has also been lowered, is the final piece of the jigsaw of the Manchester-Salford Inner Relief Route.

The ring road - jointly funded by Manchester and Salford city councils- is designed to ease traffic flow around the two cities. A third of traffic is expected to be removed from Manchester city centre, opening up the city to pedestrians and both bus and Metrolink passengers.

The Lord Mayor of Manchester, Cllr Tom O’Callaghan and Salford's Deputy Mayor, Cllr James Hunt have today been invited to celebrate the completion of the final phase. They will be unveiling a plaque on-site and switching on of one of the light sculptures.

The works are the first in a long-term programme. Using the theme of heat and energy, they are commissioned from artist Simon Watkinson. Leader of Salford City Council, Cllr John Merry, says:

"These light sculptures mark the gateway to a re-energised Central Salford. The completion of the ring road will help in the regeneration of Salford, particularly around Ordsall and the Chapel Street Regeneration Area. Developments in Chapel Wharf have also benefited from the completion of the IRR, including the Inland Revenue headquarters, the Lowry Hotel and residential schemes of The Edge and The Bridge.”

Manchester City council’s executive member for planning and the environment, Cllr Neil Swannick, adds: "The need for this multi-million pound road was originally identified four decades ago and I'm delighted it is now complete. The reduced traffic will not only make the centre of Manchester a cleaner and less noisy place to live and work, but its landmark developments like Exchange Square and the Great Northern Quarter will be able to be better accessed by public transport and enjoyed to the full."

Notes for editors:

Stage 1 of the 'missing link' Regent Road to Irwell Street (including a bridge over the River Irwell was built in advance of the Commonwealth Games to ease congestion in the city centres. The road was opened formally in July 2002.

Other previously completed sections of the ring road include Chapel Street/Blackfriars Road and the length of Trinity Way between Blackfriers Road and Jubilee Street. Opened in March 1987, it was an historic occasion for both cities. The main feature of the scheme was the new Wellington Bridge over the River Irwell, which, at the time, was the first new bridge link between the two cities for more than 100 years.

It has taken 40 years from the conception of a ring road and the construction of the Mancunian Way in the 1960s to reach completion of the Inner Relief Route.

Alfred McAlpine Capital Projects worked in partnership with the project team on this final phase of the IRR.The new railway bridge under which Trinity Way runs was commissioned from Network Rail who employed contractor Edmund Nuttall Ltd.

Date published
Tuesday, 30 November 2004
Reference number
04-738

Press and media enquiries only:

Name
Liz Carridge
Telephone
0161-793 2913
Email
liz.carridge@salford.gov.uk

MEN.

A deal has been struck for a £9m health and retail scheme which will bring jobs and investment to Greater Manchester.

Property and asset management business Sigma Capital Group said its regeneration arm has begun the fourth phase of the development in Higher Broughton, Salford, with the exchange of contracts with developer Level Health Care.

The agreement will see Level Health Care create a 30,000 sq ft facility in Newbury Place housing a GP surgery, dental practice, pharmacy and optician alongside a Tesco Express store, subject to planning approval.

The scheme will create around 30 jobs and work will begin next spring if permission is granted. Sigma InPartnership, the regeneration arm of Sigma Capital, manages the development work for The Higher Broughton Partnership, a consortium which includes Salford city council and the Royal Bank of Scotland, and which has an option over 30 acres.

Coun John Merry, leader of Salford city council, said: "We have been planning this redevelopment for some time and it’s great to see it now being realised.

"I know the new medical facilities will be a welcome addition to the growing community. New and already existing businesses will also be attracted to the development which will mean a jobs boost for the area."

Sigma InPartnership announced it has selected Countryside Properties as its preferred partner for a project to build 80 homes in the area, with plans expected to be submitted by mid-January.

That element of the overall scheme had stalled due to the economic downturn.

The Higher Broughton Partnership has so far seen 250 houses and a community hub built, and one school refurbished.

Sigma InPartnership forms partnerships with public sector and has similar arrangements in Liverpool and Solihull.

Sigma group chief executive Graham Barnet said the latest announcement was 'further proof' of the successful working relationship that Sigma InPartnership has established with Salford city council.

He added: "Key to starting the fourth phase was finding a suitable specialist medical facility developer. With our developer now in place, subject to planning consent, we expect the work on the facility to begin in the late spring of 2012."

Sigma Capital Group formed the subsidiary after it acquired InPartnership in August from tycoon Sir Tom Hunter's investment firm for £347,000 in shares.

In Partnership was owned by the Scottish entrepreneur's West Coast Capital investment outfit and HBOS. Sigma InPartnership is paid a management fee on a project-by-project basis.

Development profits and enhanced land values are shared among the three partners.

Planning » Planning Application Documents
11/61068/ADV | Display of freestanding double sided internally illuminated advertising unit | Land At Trinity Way Adjacent North Side Of Railway Bridge Opposite Gore Street Salford M3 5FP

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http://publicaccess.salford.gov.uk/publicaccess/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=externalDocuments&keyVal=LTZN3TNP00B00
I was shocked when I found out about this, as a local resident, the art piece has already been removed, it was indeed damaged by yobs breaking the glass at both sides and the light and turbine wheel were not working, so I complained:

Quote:"Mr Hessel F. de Boer, You have been sent this email because you or somebody else has submitted a comment on a Planning Application to your local authority planning department using your email address. A summary of your comments is provided below.

Comments were submitted at 4:44 PM on 16 Nov 2011 from Mr Hessel F. de Boer.

Application Summary

Address:

Land At Trinity Way Adjacent North Side Of Railway Bridge Opposite Gore Street Salford M3 5FP

Proposal:

Display of freestanding double sided internally illuminated advertising unit

Case Officer:

Paul Bridge

Click for further information

Customer Details

Name:

Mr Hessel F. de Boer

Email:

hesselfdeboer@gmail.com

Commenter Type:

Neighbour

Stance:

Customer objects to the Planning Application

Reasons for comment:

Comments:

At the proposed site, was situated a piece of public art work, which has already been removed as of today, with no prior engagement with its neighbours. The piece of public art was errected in celebration of the Manchester-Salford inner relief route Trinity Way, and was part of two pieces of public art at both sites of the railway bridge. It featured in LIFE IN Salford Issue 33 / Jan-Feb 2005 designed by the artist Simon Watkinson and can be found on page 8. We would like to know where this piece is gone, and are in principal not against a new sign, but expect the old sign to be placed somewhere else, in the Islington neighbourhood. We understood that Cllr. Peter Dobbs opened these light sculptures."Unquote.

Reply:

Quote:"Dear all, I would first like to apologise for my lack of consultation over this matter. My role within the Council is to raise income from advertising on the highway and I have been set some very challenging targets this year, which of cause is no excuse for not consulting with you over this matter.

As you are aware there were two pieces of art work at this location, one was the turbine and the second was a thermometer. The thermometer will remain in place, however the turbine has been removed to accommodate the advert. The turbine has been vandalised and did not work and in my opinion was a mess. After some investigation I discovered that there was no revenue budget to maintain the turbine, apparently it should have been accommodated within the street lighting budget but there was never sufficient funds. I am working very hard to generate greater levels of income for the Council and an advertising developer was willing to pay a good rent to site a high quality advert in this location.

For your piece of mind the turbine has been stored in Appian Way in case it needs to be relocated at a later date, funding permitting.

I have been talking to Tony Ennis today about the state of the central reservation in this area and I suggested that some of the revenue from the advert could be used to fund a planting scheme, I am more than happy to discuss this suggestion and the future of the turbine with you at your convenience.

Regards"Unquote.

Any help from whomever is interested to save this piece of art appreciated :bash:

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Hi Hessel, nice to see you posting here - you won't remember but I met you a few months ago when there was kind of open day on your estate, I think it was part of a Manchester Modernists tour, and you showed us round your flat. I thought about that event the other day because for my MA studies I'm looking at writing about, amongst other things, resident participation in regeneration schemes, and I'm hoping to cover the Islington estate.

Hessett please do yourself a favour and edit your post and remove your address ASAP.

Identity fraud is rife. Right back to the Irish dragons den.

Hi Hessel, nice to see you posting here - you won't remember but I met you a few months ago when there was kind of open day on your estate, I think it was part of a Manchester Modernists tour, and you showed us round your flat. I thought about that event the other day because for my MA studies I'm looking at writing about, amongst other things, resident participation in regeneration schemes, and I'm hoping to cover the Islington estate.
Hiya, nice to hear from you, more then welcome to participate in any study, it was indeed a Manchester Modernist walk, as published in our community magazine Salford M3, please get in contact: http://www.salfordm3.com

Hessett please do yourself a favour and edit your post and remove your address ASAP.

Identity fraud is rife. Right back to the Irish dragons den.
Done so, with thanks for mentioning.

Not sure if it's been mentionned but there's a new website set up for "Business in Salford", it of course centers around Central Salford/Manchester and Chapel St area. There's a small render for Chapel St on the home page which looks interesting.

http://www.thebusinessgroup.org/

Reply:

Quote:"Dear all, I would first like to apologise for my lack of consultation over this matter. My role within the Council is to raise income from advertising on the highway and I have been set some very challenging targets this year, which of cause is no excuse for not consulting with you over this matter.

As you are aware there were two pieces of art work at this location, one was the turbine and the second was a thermometer. The thermometer will remain in place, however the turbine has been removed to accommodate the advert. The turbine has been vandalised and did not work and in my opinion was a mess. After some investigation I discovered that there was no revenue budget to maintain the turbine, apparently it should have been accommodated within the street lighting budget but there was never sufficient funds. I am working very hard to generate greater levels of income for the Council and an advertising developer was willing to pay a good rent to site a high quality advert in this location.

For your piece of mind the turbine has been stored in Appian Way in case it needs to be relocated at a later date, funding permitting.

I have been talking to Tony Ennis today about the state of the central reservation in this area and I suggested that some of the revenue from the advert could be used to fund a planting scheme, I am more than happy to discuss this suggestion and the future of the turbine with you at your convenience.

Regards"Unquote.

Any help from whomever is interested to save this piece of art appreciated :bash:

This absolutely typifies crap local government. Public funds are used to build a road, and then they fail to budget to maintain the artwork installed as part of its construction. What happened to all the lovely income during the heady 'boom' years, eh? On the same route, the pedestrian/cycleway ramp between the IRR and Princes Bridge has been allowed to fall into disrepair.

Wonder if the Chapel Street redevelopment will suffer the same fate. Highly likely? Perhaps control of major roads should pass to TfGM, as per London.