FC United fans see themselves as a disenfranchised part of the Man Utd family, not a seperate entity. Think of Taiwan and China.

Nice one. Good quote!

Siamese twins.. both different but the same (for fans of both)!

You may have guessed I think FC Utd is pointless (too many replacement fans willing to take the spare places) but purely from a football quality perspective...I could always have watched cheaper lower league football but didn't because I won't pay to watch gimps who can't tie their laces run after a bag of wind. However.........

Rio, O'Shea, Ruud, Ronnie have shaken that belief with their shear lack of fight this season. Gutless millionaires!

Ha ha, difficult one. It would have to be the case of hope for no injuries and may the best team win!

In reality it would depend on the relative position of the two teams. If it were in two years and FC were non-league then I would hope and expect Man Utd to win as they could go on and win the trophy whereas FC could not. It would be a great day out and expereince for FC.

I can't ever see FC getting into the premier league and having a chance of winning the trophy and so I can't ever see me having a preference for them winning a cup-tie against Utd. In the extremely unlikely event that FC were as good a team as Man Utd I would probably go for FC as to give them a chance of a trophy. After all, Man Utd have won it plenty of times already.

In an ideal world FC would eventually be absorbed back into Man Utd as a type of junior team (as happend with Barca in Spain for example). If that happened then FC would probably be excluded from the cup in any case.

And lots of people support more than one team. I have a mate who supports both United and City :eek2: It was common until the seventies. This 'die for your team, hate everyone else' nonsense is an unfortunate by-product of the hooligan times of the seventies and eighties.

United fans even clapped Liverpool of the pitch at the 1977 Cup Final as to wish them well for the upcoming European Cup Final. Double :eek2: .

Man Utd gets £30,000 lotto cash

Man United is the second richest club in the world

Manchester United has accepted a lottery grant of £30,000 to increase the health and fitness of its staff.
The money has been granted to the club from Sport England. Over three years it will fund yoga lessons and lunchtime walking sessions for staff.

The club - which is the second richest in the world - will also put £30,000 towards the scheme.

"Just because we are a sporting organisation does not mean that all of our staff are fit," a spokesman said.

The gym memberships are just one element of what we are doing

Manchester United spokesman
"This is all about getting staff in sedentary jobs active and getting them to take fewer days off sick."

Forty-one companies and organisations have been given lottery grants under the Sport England "£1 million challenge" fitness drive.

Granada TV, Warrington and Rochdale councils, William Hulme Grammar School, the University of Bolton and a firm of accountants in Wigan will also benefit.

A spokesman for Sport England defended the awarding of the grants.

"We cannot and should not discriminate against a firm based on whether it is perceived to be a wealthy organisation.

The money will fund yoga lessons and lunchtime walking sessions
"But we should target those who will help make a real difference."

Liberal Democrat MP for Manchester Withington, John Leech, criticised the grants and said the cash should go to people who cannot afford gym memberships.

Mr Leech said: "This is not a good way to spend lottery money.

"If there was an all party parliamentary group asking for free gym membership there would be an uproar."

John Hannen, at the Council for Voluntary Service in Manchester said: "What these people have is the money to put together a professional looking application.

"The National Lottery is overwhelmed with applications, so they will use the smallest excuse to reject one.

"An under resourced voluntary organisation can find it hard to jump through all the hoops."

I've been hearing about some disgraceful graffiti and vandalism in some sections of Old Trafford after the FA Cup Semi Final today. Some of the graffiti I've seen written by Liverpool fans is simply beyond belief.

I've been hearing about some disgraceful graffiti and vandalism in some sections of Old Trafford after the FA Cup Semi Final today. Some of the graffiti I've seen written by Liverpool fans is simply beyond belief.
Simple, BAN the lot and next time tell them to play it else where.

How come they werent using the quadrants?

I've been hearing about some disgraceful graffiti and vandalism in some sections of Old Trafford after the FA Cup Semi Final today. Some of the graffiti I've seen written by Liverpool fans is simply beyond belief.

Not good. I was expecting "5 times" everywhere, but not this. Sick bastards.

Decent Liverpool fans will despair.

"MUNICH 58"
"SHIPMAN IS R KING"
"R.I.P G BEST HA HA HA"

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FUCKING DISGRACE

Come on lads - dont be so naive to think United fans wouldnt scrawl comments to Heysel or Hillsborough given half a chance and, of course, you never hear such things mentioned in chants by United supporters!
Dont be so precious!
I'm sure United fans if visiting Anfield would tidy up a bit, give it a lick of paint, scrub the toilets and leave a vase of flowers on each wash basin!
Not condoning the behaviour but people in glass houses etc etc.

Well about 24 People were Arrested in and out side the ground, wouldnt be suprised if the people who did it where in there.

It's a sad reflection of the times. There are certainly a (small) faction of vandals in most major clubs' 'support'. But without any prejudice you would have to say that it is without a shadow of a doubt, a disturbingly high percentage amongst LFC's so-called fans.
They are the lowest form of pond-scum on the planet, some of them have lesser intelligence than plankton.
As beardedgenius said, the true genuine LFC supporters would never condone this type of behaviour. Unfortunately there's not a lot they can do about it except to let their fan-groups know of their contempt for it.
The Man Utd board would have a strong case to ban LFC away support from OT next season, and guess who loses?....the innocent LFC fans.

SMP - be interesting to see if the media pick up on this - after the shit throwing scousers at Anfield a couple of rounds back apparently the media were too worried about the scousers whinging to print details of it - it was only after a United fan printed details in the Guardian the following Thursday did the story make the national press, notably the Mirror devoted a whole page to letters from Liverpool fans the following day to give their side of the story.

It's a sad state of affairs that the nationals are too affraid to print stories that suggest the Liverpool fans aren't really 'lovable rouges' (TM - Alan Green), but their fans tend to be from the worst end of the spectrum.

Come on lads - dont be so naive to think United fans wouldnt scrawl comments to Heysel or Hillsborough given half a chance and, of course, you never hear such things mentioned in chants by United supporters!
Dont be so precious!
I'm sure United fans if visiting Anfield would tidy up a bit, give it a lick of paint, scrub the toilets and leave a vase of flowers on each wash basin!
Not condoning the behaviour but people in glass houses etc etc.
Ok longy, you 'qualified' your comments with the "not condoning the behaviour" remark, but purleeze don't even try to suggest that it was justified because of some sort of 'reverse role' theory.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
And before you get it in---we all know that three rights make a left...

Exactly, can you remember any other fans of a team throwing cups of shit at away fans?

No, some of the Liverpool fans are the lowest of the low, yet somehow the media seems to ignore it for fear of a scouse whining backlash.

Stockport fans are the lowest in my opinion.
When Burnley played them I saw about a dozen Stockport fans start on a dad and his young son (the kid was about 10 or 11). Burnley fans can be racist scum but ive never seen them hit kids.
Anyway i promised myself i wouldnt get into a 'so and so's fans are the worse' type of reply but just thought i'd slag off Stockport fans!

All fans have their elements of the lowest of the low. I could reel off some United chants aimed at Liverpool that are just as bad as those messages written at OT yesterday, Micheal Shields anyone?

Anyway, I believe this is the last FA Cup semi to be played at OT ever, or at least for a while. Which means less revenue for the Glazers, and means Old Trafford wont be open to these kinds of acts again.

Stockport fans are the lowest in my opinion.
When Burnley played them I saw about a dozen Stockport fans start on a dad and his young son (the kid was about 10 or 11). Burnley fans can be racist scum but ive never seen them hit kids.
Anyway i promised myself i wouldnt get into a 'so and so's fans are the worse' type of reply but just thought i'd slag off Stockport fans!

Port Vale fans are rubbish.

A load of fat dwarves in black and white descended on Macc Town a few years ago for an FA Cup match and they got so out of hand they knocked a whole wall down behind the goal mouth! We couldn't believe it.... except we knew that wall was dodgy.

And then 4 of em tried to pick a fight with one of my mates, so we just laughed them off, and carried on walking. But my mate ran off.

When we got round the corner we looked back and my mate had pulled a flanker, and was kicking the shit out of all 4 of em. Classic.

So my vote for world's worst fans goes to Port Vale. Twats.

And those hissing noises whenever Tottenham are playing at OT.

It's football, when Newell's Old Boys lost the Copa Libertadores to Sao Paulo a few years back, the Chairman of local rival Rosario Central uncorked a bottle of Champagne on the City Hall steps causing a night of rioting.

Just a post script to my Stockport bashing - when Burnley were thrashing them in the play offs at Wembley the Stockport fans resorted to fighting amongst themselves (all 12 of them!) - so it saved us a job!
Which was nice!

Just a post script to my Stockport bashing - when Burnley were thrashing them in the play offs at Wembley the Stockport fans resorted to fighting amongst themselves (all 12 of them!) - so it saved us a job!
Which was nice!

H aha ha! Nice one! :)

Exactly, can you remember any other fans of a team throwing cups of shit at away fans?

No, some of the Liverpool fans are the lowest of the low, yet somehow the media seems to ignore it for fear of a scouse whining backlash.
Really? Well how the hell did this get out then?

I'm not going to defend what a minority of Liverpool fans did yesterday, but you for your part should stop reading Red Issue.

It's a sad reflection of the times. There are certainly a (small) faction of vandals in most major clubs' 'support'. But without any prejudice you would have to say that it is without a shadow of a doubt, a disturbingly high percentage amongst LFC's so-called fans.
They are the lowest form of pond-scum on the planet, some of them have lesser intelligence than plankton.
As beardedgenius said, the true genuine LFC supporters would never condone this type of behaviour. Unfortunately there's not a lot they can do about it except to let their fan-groups know of their contempt for it.
The Man Utd board would have a strong case to ban LFC away support from OT next season, and guess who loses?....the innocent LFC fans.
Really? Can you prove this? If not, shut the hell up. The same goes for you too Metrolink. They are scum, but they're by no means alone.

Really? Can you prove this? If not, shut the hell up. The same goes for you too Metrolink. They are scum, but they're by no means alone.
I think you just admitted it with your very own words, sunbeam.

As for proof, the pics were there for all to see.

End of.

I think you just admitted it with your very own words, sunbeam.

As for proof, the pics were there for all to see.

End of.
No I didn't. I simply admitted that there was a minority of scumbags doing it all. You however have jumped on the Red Issue bandwagon. Sad really.

I'm interested - do you not believe that their was a number of Liverpool fans throwing cups of shit at United fans during the FA Cup tie at Anfield, or do you think this type of behaviour would happen elsewhere with other fans?

How about vandalising an ambulance that is taking a seriously injured person to hospital?

Also, whether you believe Shields did it or not, the fact remains a Liverpool fan nearly killed a Bulgarian whilst on a Euro away last year, cannot think of any other teams fans that have had similar troubles in Europe since we were re-admitted after the ban (remind me why we were banned again).

getting back to the point of the thread, here's the exterior from yesterday

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Manchester United owner Malcolm Glazer has suffered a stroke in the US, his son Joel has confirmed.

The 78-year-old was taken to the Cleveland Clinic in Florida on Easter Sunday but has now been discharged.

A statement from his son said Mr Glazer's speech was impaired and mobility in his right arm and leg was restricted.

Manchester United said Mr Glazer's stroke would not affect the day to day running of the club.

"On behalf of the entire Glazer family, I want to thank everyone at the Cleveland Clinic for their outstanding care," said Joel Glazer.

"My father's spirits are high and doctors expect his condition to improve with rehabilitation."

getting back to the point of the thread, here's the exterior from yesterday

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Wow....nice stadium.

Almost as impressive as Molineux.

I'm interested - do you not believe that their was a number of Liverpool fans throwing cups of shit at United fans during the FA Cup tie at Anfield, or do you think this type of behaviour would happen elsewhere with other fans?

How about vandalising an ambulance that is taking a seriously injured person to hospital?
What makes you think it wouldn't? Anyway, as far as I can see these stories are greaty exaggerated. Where are all the news articles on this? Surely you're not relying on Red Issue? I'm not assuming unbiased coverage on all this does not exist, I'd just like to see it. As far as I know, Smith's ambulance wasn't vandalised at al but knocked a bit on the way out (still unacceptable I must add). Funny how you fail to mention how much applause the rest of the Liverpool crowd gave Smith as he was stretchered off.


Also, whether you believe Shields did it or not, the fact remains a Liverpool fan nearly killed a Bulgarian whilst on a Euro away last year, cannot think of any other teams fans that have had similar troubles in Europe since we were re-admitted after the ban (remind me why we were banned again).
What the hell has Michael Shields got to do with this? How many other such incidents can you name in recent years involving Liverpool fans abroad? It's just another excuse for you to fuel your bile.

As for Heysel, Liverpool fans were only one part of the problem. Juventus fans and UEFA were also to blame (the latter for the state of the stadium). Don't try to pretend the "English disease" was all down to Liverpool fans.






Look, I didn't come here to start a fight. To reiterate what I said earlier, I think the Liverpool fans who vandalised Old Trafford are scum and I want nothing to do with them. However, how does that automatically make Liverpool fans the lowest of the low? I know a number of Liverpool fans who have been to Old Trafford and attacked, but that doesn't justify me attacking the entire Manchester United fanbase. This is the first time I have heard of such an incident involving Liverpool yobs at Old Trafford, which suggests this is a one-off. The fact that this was an FA Cup semi-final and not a normal away game meant that more fans than usual turned up, and so the chances of trouble were more likely. Just a thought, that's all.

Anyway, I don't want to interrupt this thread. I hope Old Trafford is cleaned up as soon as possible and that the morons who did the damage are punished accordingly. Just stop with the anti-scouse sentiment. Thank you.

Look, I didn't come here to start a fight. To reiterate what I said earlier, I think the Liverpool fans who vandalised Old Trafford are scum and I want nothing to do with them. However, how does that automatically make Liverpool fans the lowest of the low?.

You're one of the fairer Liverpool fans Pobbie and I know how it feels to be refered to as scum, I was fuming when I first read this.........

Originlly posted by blabbersmoke........

I've often wondered why Man Utd supporters are so despised, not only by Liverpool fans, but by practically every other club in England. I guess it's a personality thing as much as anything else, after all, the real Mancs who support City are usually alright. It's all those Manc wannabes from Greater Manchester and the horrible parts of Lancashire- nasty people, bad jokes, pure vermin.

It'll be nice to see Utd slip in form over the next few years, should hopefully shut the scum up for a couple of years. Including Trammy, I mean Metrolink.

You're correct when you say it's a minority of dickheads who spoil it for every one else.

irish examiner, wednesday


You'll have to excuse the smell but we've had the disinfectant out at Old
Trafford after our enforced visit from the massed Scousers and Cockernees. I
don't suppose the Londoners were too bad, although one doesn't excuse the
Chelsea Nazi salute captured in the News of the World nor the usual petulant
bad-loser histrionics from the Special Needs One. But it's the same
disgusting stuff every time with the loveable Liverpudlians: at fulltime the
Liverpool end is all broken toilets and washbasins, spittle-covered local
stewards, and graffiti of the most stomach-churning kind to do with Munich
and Harold Shipman.

The Scousers' obsession with celebrating the latter's penchant for murdering
Mancs was pleasingly brought to wider public attention on Sunday when all
three of our best-selling tabloids ran a story about Wayne Rooney's brother
being captured on mobile phone footage singing Shipman songs. That story
made it into print because it's just about one individual. But the pictures
on United websites of the damage done by the Scousers at O.T. might never
make it into print because the English media are exceedingly reluctant to
publish anything that might be taken in Liverpool as being generalised
'anti-Scouseness'.

This is what happened when United fans at the recent Cup-tie were covered in human excrement thrown at them from the upper tier of the Anfield Road End.
Scouse fans furiously denied it happened and there was silence from the
local police - all Scouse cops, of course. No newspaper would touch the
allegations: one newsdesk told me that to print something like that "would
guarantee hundreds of angry Scousers writing, phoning and emailing" and it
just wasn't worth the aggro.

In the end, the Guardian bravely published the truth: and Liverpool Football
Club, to their credit, held their hands up and condemned their simian fans
for their behaviour. We have since been contacted by fans of three other
clubs who had the same experience when visiting Anfield and, similarly, got
nowhere when trying to gain recompense, an apology or even an acknowledgment
that such bestial behaviour had occurred.

Now then: I don't know about you, but I find hurling excrement to be
possibly the lowest thing I've heard of in a stadium. For some reason, it
seems even worse than the stuff you'd see chucked in the 70s - darts and
coins at Anfield, half-bricks at Cardiff. Then again, I do know that
Koppites used to urinate in the pockets of unsuspecting fellow supporters
when caught short and desperate, so perhaps I shouldn't be surprised.

Naturally, I know cultured gents like the always-delightful Mr. Kelly [my LFC oppo at the paper] would be the first to condemn his comrades - and doubtless he'd have his own
allegations about United supporters' past misdeeds to hand, if he wanted to
argue the toss. So in that case, let this apply to all fans: every time we
behave like this, we take ten steps back as a class of people, wiping out
whatever small progress we may have made over the season. Every time some Huyton cretin craps on an away supporter, he is basically crapping on
himself too.

For example, any chance of being treated as a citizen rather than an animal
when on Euroaways - a key demand for all supporters at top clubs -
disappears when we act like this. And yet the Scousers appear deaf to the
irony that their noisy campaign to free Michael Shields continues to be
blighted by other fans' and citizens' indifference, an attitude more easily
adopted by them because they have seen what some Scousers can be like when they are on their travels or 'defending Anfield', as they would doubtless
put it. When being proud to be masters of one's own patch mutates into
attacking ambulances containing severely injured opposition players, a line
is clearly crossed. Subliminally, many people will think of Shields and
instead of seeing a poor innocent being abused by a callous quasi-Third
World legal system, will picture a hideous scally hurling crap or shouting
'die, Smith, die'. Sometimes, you wish organised Scousedom would do a little
less whingeing and green-ink letter-writing to newspapers and make time for
a tad more self-examination.

What HAS been impressive is that Liverpool Football Club itself responded
well to some of these outrages and I have no doubt they will do so again
when the vandalism is eventually reported to them. I hate to admit it, but
LFC more often than not put other clubs to shame when it comes to behaving
with an eye to something more than immediate short-term gain. As I have
written before, much as I hate Liverpool and loath the lumpenproletarian
elements of their support, I cannot help but have grudging respect for the
Old School, be they the suits behind the scenes who seem to understand their club's culture and history, or the clued-up fans who use their wit and
intelligence to banter - with sometimes painful efficiency - up and down the
East Lancs Rd. Proper rivals: a proper rivalry.

So it is with some alarm that I view what looks to be their imminent
takeover, having seen what happens to most noble football institutions sold
to outsiders. As I write this on Monday, I even hear that - gulp - Messrs
Magnier, McManus and co. are being drawn into the frame, by journalists in
any event. Liverpool as a glorified 'horse' on which to have a Cubic punt?
Ugh: it demeaned - and ruined - United; genuinely, Mr K, I hope that fate
doesn't befall you too.

Saturday's vandalism and graffiti at Old Trafford was regrettable (if not entirely unexpected), once again the mindless tiny minority bring a sh*t-storm of abuse heading the way of the vast majority of decent LFC fans

What is also regrettable (and equally not unexpected) is the knee-jerk reaction of Man Utd fans - and cretinous Irish newspaper rumour mongers -on this forum retorting to the tired old steroetypical cliches about "whining scousers". (we all still have perms & 'taches as well y'know)

Funny, however, how there's no mention on here of the banners mocking the Hillsborough tragedy which were seen hanging off several flyovers on the eastbound M62 and M602 on Saturday afternoon, but surely Red Issue et al will find a way to condone the actions of those who put them there

Glass houses indeed

Saturday's vandalism and graffiti at Old Trafford was regrettable (if not entirely unexpected), once again the mindless tiny minority bring a sh*t-storm of abuse heading the way of the vast majority of decent LFC fans

What is also regrettable (and equally not unexpected) is the knee-jerk reaction of Man Utd fans - and cretinous Irish newspaper rumour mongers -on this forum retorting to the tired old steroetypical cliches about "whining scousers". (we all still have perms & 'taches as well y'know)

Funny, however, how there's no mention on here of the banners mocking the Hillsborough tragedy which were seen hanging off several flyovers on the eastbound M62 and M602 on Saturday afternoon, but surely Red Issue et al will find a way to condone the actions of those who put them there

Glass houses indeed
Scousers do moan alot, me and the old Earlybird(the older ones will DEFO remember him) were talking about it in an unrelated subject to Old Trafford.

^^funny you say that given how all the moaning seems to come from detractors like yourself. Take the Ken Bigley/Boris Johnson farce for instance: scousers didn't start the moaning, it was Simon Heffer and his loathsome ilk which did. I'd say people moan about scousers more than scousers moan themselves. Yet again the pot calls the kettle black...

Bob - you miss the point.

On it's own the graffiti would not be the worst thing in the world, however, add to this the throwing of shit (ever heard of another team doing this???), the fact that one of their fans attempted to murder a Bulgarian cafe worker (how many other teams fans have been involved in such incidents) and vandalised an ambulance carrying a person with a career threatening injury on board (does this happen elsewhere???) suggets that they have form, and worse form than any other team in the

^^funny you say that given how all the moaning seems to come from detractors like yourself. Take the Ken Bigley/Boris Johnson farce for instance: scousers didn't start the moaning, it was Simon Heffer and his loathsome ilk which did. I'd say people moan about scousers more than scousers moan themselves. Yet again the pot calls the kettle black...
Its not a debate, I couldnt give a shit what you or anyone else says or thinkings, because its fact.

Dont know about throwing shit but in the 'good old days' of the packed terraces it was common to have a piss on the fella in front of you not matter what his allegience was!
I think the shit throwing shows a certain amount of ingenuity.
Anyway what about about throwing darts (although i seem to remember that famous image was of a United fan)?
I think i'd still rather be hit with a cup of shit than a dart or a seat (anyone remember the England/ Ireland game when 'fans' were throwing allsorts of ironmongery at little kids and women?).
Once again not condoning shit throwing but a) it could be worse and b) the United lot are probably pissed off cos they didnt think of it first.

Bob - you miss the point.

On it's own the graffiti would not be the worst thing in the world, however, add to this the throwing of shit (ever heard of another team doing this???), the fact that one of their fans attempted to murder a Bulgarian cafe worker (how many other teams fans have been involved in such incidents)

So no Man Utd. fan has ever attempted to kill or even kill someone?

eddk - not aware of any United fans being charged with attempted murder (see Michael Shields) or actually murdering other fans (see 39 dead Italians in Hysel) whilst under the guise of being a United fan?

Are you aware of any?

i am equally unaware of any liverpool fans ever being charged with seriously sexually assaulting a stewardess at the ground either

I remember being in the top of the Scoreboard Paddock once, (pretending to be hard), and some blokes were throwing metal discs down on to the away fans in the Scoreboard End.
I also remember a few bottles hitting a few away fans in there when I was a kid. Us kids used to normally sit on the front crush barrier and stick our legs out of the high fencing they had in days gone by. If you sat next to the Scoreboard End you would see quite a few things flying down on there.
Golfballs were another popular choice.

Its not a debate, I couldnt give a shit what you or anyone else says or thinkings, because its fact.
You're a bit thick really, aren't you?


Metro: like I said before, Liverpool fans were only one part of the Heysel disaster. The wall collapsed and killed the 39 because the ground was in such a bad state. There were plenty of other football riots around at that time: just because this time it involved a dodgy wall doesn't make Liverpool fans cold-blooded murderers and everyone else just trivial trouble-makers.

It's a shame that all the football deaths involve Liverpool. None of which were their fault.

I know this because I am told repeatedly it was someone else's fault:

A Wall which fell over for no reason (no one was crushed prior to the wall collapsing accordingly to all informed sources.

An overcrowded pen, caused entirely by a football stadium having allowed fans into a ground without incident in it's entire history.

A paving slab fell on a young lad's head when he was lying on the floor. Investigation on-going....in Liverpool.

Metro- you're being naughty!!

But I like it.

You're a bit thick really, aren't you?


Metro: like I said before, Liverpool fans were only one part of the Heysel disaster. The wall collapsed and killed the 39 because the ground was in such a bad state. There were plenty of other football riots around at that time: just because this time it involved a dodgy wall doesn't make Liverpool fans cold-blooded murderers and everyone else just trivial trouble-makers.
:yes:

Pobbie - try telling that to the families in Turin.

To the best of my knowledge that fall was upright, and not going to fall over until the Liverpool fans knocked it over - you're right, in the 80's loads of football grounds were in a right old state, however, it's only the Liverpool fans who manged to use them to murder people.

No doubt the Bulgarian cafe worker who got half beaten to death was at fault as well was he?

the rioting at heysel started as a result of italian fans beating up a 14 year old liverpool kid and his dad in view of all the liverpool fans. it is also well documented that the stadium was in a decrepit condition, uefa had been alerted to this fact but chose to ignore the warnings. to suggest that the liverpool fans involved were murderers is at best crass, or more likely just moronic babbling of an ignoramus

bob -do you think the people of Turin see it like that?

bob -do you think the people of Turin see it like that?


the ones who know the facts will

Funny that - South Yorks police say the same thing about Hillsborough.

1st rule of broadcasting:

One must never say it was Liverpool's fault for ANYTHING
eg all 100+ football fan deaths
(incidentally, I am NOT saying the Hillsborough fans deaths were their fault! The fans that died arrived on-time and early it's the beered up late arrivals that caused the crush)

2nd rule of this forum:

All bad things that has happened to Liverpool can be traced back to Mancunians.
eg. see Liverpool thread for everything!

All bad things that has happened to Liverpool can be traced back to Mancunians.


Thats true though isnt it? :)

Metrolink & TheFly:

It's obvious that either you haven't read my posts or have read my posts and have deliberately chosen to ignore the points I have made so that you can keep hold of your bigoted views towards people from Liverpool. I see I'm wasting my time trying to hold a balanced debate with such individuals. I hope one day you ignorami will see the errors of your ways and become better people for it. Good day.

Metro, it's nice to know from this thread what a piece of work you are.

Bigotted Man Utd supporting hooligan filth.

You are piece of shit, you're from Manchester and support Man U and therefore you hate scousers.

Try not to come onto the Liverpool forum again trying to be all reasonable, asking nicely again and again questions the answer to which can only be "because scousers are shit".

The problem with you is simple: you're a Man United fan, you're none too bright and you're nasty piece of work. Now, I've never met a thick Manc who doesn't hate Scousers. It's a scum thing.

Other scum hate Asians, blacks, gypsies. Some Manc scum hate all of the above, of course, but all Manc scum hate scousers.

So Kurt, you piece of hooligan filth, your card is marked. Everyone now knows what a piece of dirt you are.

I hope one day you ignorami will see the errors of your ways and become better people for it. Good day.

Optimistic and probably highly unrealistic, but there's hope for everyone I suppose. :|

Two interesting Home Office tables. The first shows arrests for the last season for football-related offenses, listed by the club supported by the arrested offender.

The second shows number of bans of fans per club.

Ref: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/football-arrests-0304?view=Binary

Note that over twice as many Manchester fans were arrested as Liverpool fans that season and a getting on for four times as many ManU fans received banning orders as did Liverpool fans.

It appears Metro that ManU fans are some of the worst hooligan scum in the country and Liverpool some of the best behaved of a big club (although not in Arsenal's saintly league, always didn't mind Arsenal, good people, great club).

Are you in these statistics, Metro, you in-bred criminal scum?

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Glad to see Burnley have improved their performance in some respects!

Pobbie - try telling that to the families in Turin.

To the best of my knowledge that fall was upright, and not going to fall over until the Liverpool fans knocked it over - you're right, in the 80's loads of football grounds were in a right old state, however, it's only the Liverpool fans who manged to use them to murder people.

No doubt the Bulgarian cafe worker who got half beaten to death was at fault as well was he?


You fuckin piece of shite.

Glad to see Burnley have improved their performance in some respects!

Yes, that's a remarkable achievement!

In this thread the caustic spite of some of the Manchester forumers towards Liverpool leaks out. Shame on the rest of you for s n i g g e r i n g away rather than curtailing it. Says a lot about the absence of character on this forum. Wait long enough and people reveal themselves for what they are.

Funny story (not!) - i actually nearly got banned from Burnley for 'causing trouble'
ie I complained to a steward that the racist scum who sat in front me week in week out threatened me when i asked him to curtail his racist comments. When the stewards refused to do anything about it and i kicked off they threatened to eject me and ban me .
Saved them a job and stopped going after that!

Always took you for a wrong'un, Longbottom.

You want to know why more United Fans are arrested? Its petty simple, the bigger ground the more dicks you are going to have in it.

In this thread the caustic spite of some of the Manchester forumers towards Liverpool leaks out. Shame on the rest of you for s******ing away rather than curtailing it. Says a lot about the absence of character on this forum. Wait long enough and people reveal themselves for what they are.

This isnt a criticism but i dont know why you bother coming over here because you know what people are like, especially when it comes to football.
Surely its not worth the mither is it?
As far as curtailing it - firstly its not our job to tell people what to say and secondly i wouldnt be so arrogant to think that i have the moral highground as to either condone or condemn what people say.

For the record - i love liverpool - i even married one of your lot!
Quite fond of your football teams aswell - but will never forgive Neil Ruddock for his professional foul in the FA Cup replay at Anfield when the Burnley player was through on his own with only the goalkeeper to beat!

You want to know why more United Fans are arrested? Its petty simple, the bigger ground the more dicks you are going to have in it.


So Old Trafford is twice the size of Anfield, twice the size of St James Park?

Fair enough though Andy, clearly Man U support contains within it its fair share of dicks. Unfortunately, some of them are regular contributors to this forum.

Funny story (not!) - i actually nearly got banned from Burnley for 'causing trouble'
ie I complained to a steward that the racist scum who sat in front me week in week out threatened me when i asked him to curtail his racist comments. When the stewards refused to do anything about it and i kicked off they threatened to eject me and ban me .
Saved them a job and stopped going after that!


i've spent the odd freezing afternoon at turf moor over the years, i have to say i've never seen so many complete loons in one place in my life :hahaha: i think they must live in bothies in the valleys and up on the moors and come down every other saturday to growl at the townies :drunk:


@ awayo: thanks for the arrest figures, much more convincing than someone on here merely writing "FACT" after their post as if that makes it all the more authentic :cool:

@ metrolink: nothing, you're not even worth commenting on

To be honest, I'm a United fan, and have a healthy dislike of Liverpool the football club.

However some of the comments on here by so called fans about Hillsborough and Heysel have been well out of order. Just like the graffiti left by so called Liverpool fans at Old Trafford.

Its frankly pathetic and makes me despair for football and the state of society in general.

Get a life.

Yeah Cholton, it's not like Liverpool fans does include a scumbag element also, those young nobbends who scrawled vile stuff about Munich and Shipman are contempible.

It strikes me that the irony here is the sort of people on this thread who are attacking the other side's fans as being somehow uniquely total scum are just the sort of characters who are likely to be, or to have been, the sort of scrote that would write graffiti or sing about Munich, Hillsborough or old Harry Shipman, depending on what team they supported.

Does Trafford Council's anti-standing view/threats have anything to do with the amount of banning orders at OT? Another reason I stopped going to the match...

I'm interested - do you not believe that their was a number of Liverpool fans throwing cups of shit at United fans during the FA Cup tie at Anfield, or do you think this type of behaviour would happen elsewhere with other fans?

How about vandalising an ambulance that is taking a seriously injured person to hospital?

Some really bad shit on here fellas, though not at Anfield on the day in question. Both stories have been shown to be untrue. The only shit being tossed at the game at Anfield was that being flung round by the Manc based press. The ambulance report.. the one that actually gets logged made no reference to delays, being rocked or being damaged by missiles... the incident report stated that there was no delay in getting to the hospital... so er, nothing happened, save for maybe a few drunk knobheads slurring a few insults.. do you not have any of those?

The 'shit in a cup incident' was also resolved... though by then the 'interest' in the story had gone.

It is the first time I have looked at this thread and it is shamelful... funny though in a way, as the most thin skinned bastards who constantly appear on the Liverpool forum at the slightest perceived denigration are the foulest on this thread....

Realy, really sad... some real dickheads on this thread... some nice pics though I must say!

Manchester United fans are such angels and always have been I mean why did they get banned from Europe in the 70's exactly? Why did Matt Busby run to UEFA in 1977 to get them re-instated?

When these Manchester United fans mention deaths caused by Liverpool and lets be honest Liverpool fans ultimately caused the death of Juventus fans by charging at them which I believe was involuntary manslaughter.

Now lets see Manchester United's history of involvement with deaths before any claim of morality at football.

1. 1980 Ayresome Park vs Middlesbrough. This was taken from an old Guardian article about 1980's football.

There were also the Roxbys, Irene and Norman, Middlesbrough season-ticket holders who died outside Ayresome Park in January 1980 when a pillar and gate fell on them as they were leaving the ground.

Middlesbrough did not have a safety certificate but the club said this was a mere detail because all the requirements on safety had been met and more besides. Some eye-witnesses accused visiting Manchester United supporters of rushing the gate at the end of the game, but United fans said the surge had been caused by an excited police horse.

The decade was only 12 days old when this tragedy occurred. As we now know, the Eighties remembered all the excuses but ignored the portents. The Roxbys were the first of the many.

2. Late 70's a Spurs fan falling off an Escalator and dying near Old Trafford as Tottenham fans where ambushed by the Red Army, the escalator was turned off by United fans and in the panic he fell over the edge.

3. 1995 FA Cup game vs Palace when Paul Nixon was attacked by United fans and killed. I don't think the Palace fans have forgot about this one.

All cases of manslaughter or is it 'murder'?

The Red Army the most infamous hooligan group in the country in the 70's and 80's and are still the most active today as i believe they are now called MIBS.

The FA cup game this year at anfield when so called united fans were singing the usual "96 wasn't enough", "You killed your own fans", Michael Shields and other songs from there repertoire plus the usual hand over face that they like to do in reference to Hillsborough. No mention either in the news that Seats were set alight or that they charged the doors of the anfield road stand trying to get out only for the police to beat them back.

On Saturday on the M602 going the game white sheets over bridges with "Hillsbro 89" "You killed your own fans" and Micheal shields written all over them. Why isn't this in the press why aren't Liverpool fans whinging to the press like United fans have been this year? 5 European cups must have re awoken something eh?

A white sheet with abit writting on it is abit different to smashing up a football ground.

Originally posted by Blabbesmoke on the Liverpool FC Discussion thread.

"I've often wondered why Man Utd supporters are so despised, not only by Liverpool fans, but by practically every other club in England. I guess it's a personality thing as much as anything else, after all, the real Mancs who support City are usually alright. It's all those Manc wannabes from Greater Manchester and the horrible parts of Lancashire- nasty people, bad jokes, pure vermin.

It'll be nice to see Utd slip in form over the next few years, should hopefully shut the scum up for a couple of years. Including Trammy, I mean Metrolink".


Did any Liverpool fan say he was out of order, and remind him that not ALL Man Utd fans are scum? No! Not a one!

Glass houses an all that, Tony. You're certainly entitled to your opinion though.

All we ask is that you recognise and admit that there's some "real dickheads" amongst your own lot.

You know by now that football tends to bring out the worst in everybody.

The Scouse 'skins' are every bit as thin as the Mancs.

The trick is to not take it (or yourselves), so seriously. ;)

Thanks for popping over.

The only shit being tossed at the game at Anfield was that being flung round by the Manc based press.

Then why did Liverpool Football Club send an official apology to Manchester United Football Club?

Are you saying it never happened?

My memory's pretty bad and I hate the Rags, but I can't stand lies being told. The palace fan who died was crushed by a van or coach or something. There was fighting that night I seem to remember, but the death was accidental I think. 2nd one I have no idea about, but the details are vague. An escalator near Old Trafford? Would there have been anywhere with escalators in Trafford back then? The first one is just stupid, come on, you can do better than that. That's purely coincidental given the evidence you've posted.

5 European cups must have re awoken something eh?

What's Liverpool fans excuse then?

All we ask is that you recognise and admit that there's some "real dickheads" amongst your own lot.

Well, I did that ages ago but still the bigoted diatribe poured in like haemorrhoidal discharge. I mean, anyone who's not blinded by extreme bias can admit that we have "real dickheads". But some of the stuff aimed Liverpool on this thread is just pure bile, and it doesn't get any of us anywhere. It's sad how this thread has been ruined as such.

BTW, many thanks to those Man Utd fans on this thread who have chosen enlightened discussion over haemorrhoidal discharge.

Well, I did that ages ago but still the bigoted diatribe poured in like haemorrhoidal discharge. I mean, anyone who's not blinded by extreme bias can admit that we have "real dickheads". But some of the stuff aimed Liverpool on this thread is just pure bile, and it doesn't get any of us anywhere. It's sad how this thread has been ruined as such.

BTW, many thanks to those Man Utd fans on this thread who have chosen enlightened discussion over haemorrhoidal discharge.
Well Pobbie, I happened to be responding to Tony's post (#428).
I don't mind you replying on his behalf as long as he's not mithered.
Like I said, notwithstanding the 'haemorroidal discharges', the 'bile' emanating from both camps sadly seems to be the norm amongst a disproportionately large segment of todays footie 'fans'.

Btw, you're not studying proctology at Med. School are you? ;)

^^I agree completely, apart from that last bit of course. :cheers:

Right, you want to know something? I found the Harold Shipman things bloody funny. I don't take it at all seriously and unless you're connected with a related tragedy, I don't see why everybody is having a massive radge. It's the whole presposterousness (make up words time) of the taunt that gets me giggling. I think I find it even more funny as everytime my grandad goes to a pub up Cheetham Hill area, there's always somebody who shouts "get a drink in for Dr Shipman".

I don't know. I just get the feeling that United and Liverpool fans are largely moronic and will often seek to be offended. It happens with every big club. Chelsea fans are doing it at the minute too and let's not forget some of those knob head Arsenal fans who sprung from nowhere and tried their very best to turn football fans against their beautifully playing team by being whiney bitches.

This isnt a criticism but i dont know why you bother coming over here because you know what people are like, especially when it comes to football.

I happen to agree with the many forumers from Manchester who visit the Liverpool subforum and state that we're all members of SSC, and should be able to post anywhere on it as long as we respect local sensibilities.

Surely its not worth the mither is it?

Mither? I'm reading this as bother being unfamiliar with that term and the answer is: Yes it is if such bile is being spouted and s n i g g e r e d at.


As far as curtailing it - firstly its not our job to tell people what to say

Agree with you.

and secondly i wouldnt be so arrogant to think that i have the moral highground as to either condone or condemn what people say.

Disagree with your moral equivalence masquarading as a concern about seeming arrogant if you chose to voice an opinion that challenges people who wallow in dishing out inflamatory abuse. I would challenge such posts on the Liverpool forum if I came across such blatant anti-Manchester, or anti-anywhere bias. For me to do otherwise would be to collude with such sentiments.

For the record - i love liverpool - i even married one of your lot!

I know this is meant kindly on your part but just because you married one of 'our lot' doesn't give you extra kudos and if you'll forgive me, it does have certain connotations at least for me. Along the lines of: No one can call me a racist, I married one!

Tony - if the shit stories are untrue, why did LFC pay for my wives aunt to get her clothes dry cleaned after the event?

Would you like to tell her that no shit was thrown.

With regards being innocent in Hysel - why were English clubs banned for 4 years from Europe and not Italians after the event -take it those who looked into in had a thing against scousers just like all us Mancs???

How does saying Liverpool fans have been responsible for over a hundred deaths make someone a racist (as qouted), anti Liverpool (as opposed to the some of the fans)?

The damage to OT is just sad but I am sure Utd fans have done similar in the past, so I'm not bothered about that.

But not one Liverpool poster has admitted to any Liverpool fans being in the wrong for Hysel, Hillsborough, Michael Shields.

That, is a very sad indictment.

Metrolink, not all LFC fans are bad but it would be nice if people did not defend the trash on both sides.

Just a suggestion.

Everyone reads the posts of the last 3 or 4 pages or so and takes a good long hard look at what's been written, think about it and then if you feel the same way, repost it, if you feel a bit stupid or embarrased then apologise.

The demonisation of fellow citizens has to stop or else where will we end up?

And by way of a PS, anyone who reads, ingests and lays in the same trough as Richard Kurt earns my contempt, he's a wannabe hoolie who's been given a word processor and some coloumn inches.

Tony - if the shit stories are untrue, why did LFC pay for my wives aunt to get her clothes dry cleaned after the event?

Would you like to tell her that no shit was thrown.

With regards being innocent in Hysel - why were English clubs banned for 4 years from Europe and not Italians after the event -take it those who looked into in had a thing against scousers just like all us Mancs???

Who the hell has claimed that Liverpool fans were innocent at Heysel, Metro, you hooligan scum?

Any reasonable analysis of what went wrong at Heysel would have to acknowledge the complex nature of the tragedy's causation (bad policing, crumbling stadium, some bad behaviour and provocation by Juventus fans), but no Liverpool fan here, nor many others that I met have claimed that Liverpool fans were innocent. If they hadn't have charged at the Juventus fans, no one would have died.

Metro, you're thick and you're scum so you hate Scousers.

Good and bad on both sides, hooligans are not exclusive to LFC. Utd had terrible problems with them years ago and to some extent have managed to stop most of it, but we[utd fans] are not perfect. I've heard racist crap at Old Trafford and I've wanted to twat the idiots chanting it but just like Mr Longford I'd be deemed a trouble causer.

Friendly rivalry and banter is one thing but for some reason there's a very ugly side to football in this country, the british are an aggresive bunch when they put thier minds to it, and that includes Mancs Scousers Cockerneeees and of course Leeds fans. We know all about them don't we? surely Leeds fans are a lot worse than LFC fans?

Originally posted by Blabbesmoke on the Liverpool FC Discussion thread.

"I've often wondered why Man Utd supporters are so despised, not only by Liverpool fans, but by practically every other club in England. I guess it's a personality thing as much as anything else, after all, the real Mancs who support City are usually alright. It's all those Manc wannabes from Greater Manchester and the horrible parts of Lancashire- nasty people, bad jokes, pure vermin.

It'll be nice to see Utd slip in form over the next few years, should hopefully shut the scum up for a couple of years. Including Trammy, I mean Metrolink".


Did any Liverpool fan say he was out of order, and remind him that not ALL Man Utd fans are scum? No! Not a one!

In case anyone didn't Terry, of course not all Man Utd fans are scum, and Liverpool FC has a scum element also, naturally.

Is it telling that Man Utd's scum element includes members of this forum, however? In Metro's case it's certainly true. To use Blab's phrase, he's pure scum.

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I think the point being made is that all clubs have their fare share of scum or hooligan fans..

As an example, the anti-Glazer foaming mouth brigade. I oppose the takeover and debt, but I don't wish him dead or think he is a `septic tank' and all US citizens are bad!

Was on Redissue forum the other day and a scouser posted words of apology about the OT graffiti. He was deluged with obsence crap. These people are just extremists and judging by their language and diction come from an uneducated background, I think the media slant of the `fight-club' type hooligan is tosh, the VAST majority are bored with their dull, meaningless lives so fighting for a football club becomes a cause.

It's the extremes that cause the trouble for the moderate majority, proclaiming to speak for all when they are just idealists.

Anyway, back the point... is it coincidence that LFC fans have been involved,responsible, around most of the murders/manslaughters in the last 20 years involving UK football?

UTD went to Barcelona with thousands..no deaths?
Celtic to Seville...no deaths
Arsenal.....

It seems that people do not want to admit or hear that LFC has some of the worst hooligans in world football. The death toll makes this beyond dispute.

Blame the ground, the police, other teams fans, dodgy convictions....the one thing in common is the prescence of LFC fans... that is a valid debate.

Utd, Leeds, Chelsea, City have some appalling fans but only LFC's fans have been present at the most horrific scenes at football in the last 22 years anywhere in Europe?

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who the hell are you?

Lock the thread? Why?

Its about Old Trafford and it's been running a long time, this stuff will blow over soon[hopefully] so no need to lock a legitimate thread.

Metrolink, you're a fucking idiot. Used to find your posts quite interesting when you popped over to the Liverpool boards and thought you might be a genuine guy. Obviously not, how stupid was I ?!

How about vandalising an ambulance that is taking a seriously injured person to hospital?

Would this be the same ambulance that suffered no damage and no delay in taking Smith to the hospital?

Must have been pretty badly vandalised then eh?

With regards being innocent in Hysel - why were English clubs banned for 4 years from Europe and not Italians after the event -take it those who looked into in had a thing against scousers just like all us Mancs???

Ah yes, because the ban of English clubs was solely because of Heysel wasn't it? Nothing to do with the 'English Disease'. Nope. Heysel was the straw that broke the camel's back.

eddk - not aware of any United fans being charged with attempted murder (see Michael Shields) or actually murdering other fans (see 39 dead Italians in Hysel) whilst under the guise of being a United fan?

Are you aware of any?

Perhaps you have a very selective memory, or only started supporting Man Utd in 1999 but do the words: Paul Nixon, Crystal Palace fan, Killed, FA Cup Semi Final, 1995 not mean anything to you? Go and ask your friends on Red Issue about it, though I doubt they'll give you an accurate description, they have a habit of twisting and sensationalising things to target people like you.

The hypocracy on this thread is unreal. Man Utd fans of course are the salt of the earth aren't they?

So there was a bit of graffiti at Old Trafford last week. Big deal. Have you ever seen the away end at Anfield after a United game? And while 2 wrongs definately don't make a right, don't any of you kid yourselves into thinking Anfield wouldn't have been vandalised.

And we're talking about a minority of idiots, and my guess of those doing it would be kids (Or at least those with the mental age of a child...) but we're not talking about 30,000 Liverpool fans each vandalising Old Trafford. And one of your toilets and a few seats were smashed up, fucking hell, get over it, these things happen all the time. You could always use your lottery money to replace them...

And stop with the "All Scousers and scumbags" stuff. Both clubs have a minority of scumbags following them, hardly a shock is it? Some of the criticism on this thread wouldn't be so bad if some United fans woke up and realised that not all of your fans are saints either and stopped looking at things with such narrow mindedness.

Anyway, as you were.

I would still like to see a merged Liverpool/Manchester city region.

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Good idea, but we surely need Accy to come and say he has written to CAW asking for the thread to be locked.

Locking is too good for it. :bash:

Metrolink, you're a fucking idiot.




Now, Metrolink attacked the fans who caused the deaths.

He is however not attacking you personally, so why this vitriol?

OT was badly vandalised, shown with pictures. Anfield wasn't. LFC were present.

I will be T2 stretty on Monday, I am guessing no Chelsea crap will be seen.

That is the point. LFC seems to have a lot more extremist events attached to its history, which is a crying shame.

And what about this incident involving precious man united fans. Eight onto one 64 year old pensioner. Heroes you lot aren't you. And you wonder why you get shite thrown at you:

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/205/205150_soccer_attack_suspect_caught_on_camera.html

Very selective memories indeed. For those who can't be bothered to follow the link..;

Soccer attack suspect caught on camera
Clarissa Satchell

DETECTIVES have released CCTV images of an alleged soccer hooligan suspected of leaving a 64-year-old rival fan with a fractured skull.

A group of around eight Manchester United fans punched and kicked Wolves fan David Stevens, leaving him needing hospital treatment, after the FA cup match at Wolverhampton on February 1.

Police are appealing for anyone who recognises the man in the photograph to contact them.

One man was arrested at the scene in connection with the attack and has been released on bail pending further inquiries.

Retired Mr Stevens, from Halesowen in the West Midlands, was walking to Wolverhampton train station when the gang attacked him after a fight broke out between rival fans shortly before 6pm.

He needed emergency surgery and was left with a fractured skull and a damaged cheekbone.


Mr Stevens says the attack was the "worst day of his life". He said: "I'm devastated - it has changed my life completely. There was eight of them just punching and kicking me as I lay on the floor.

"Whenever I try to straighten my arm I'm in absolute agony."

The trouble started when a Manchester United fan launched an unprovoked attack on Mr Stevens's son Wayne, 38, after the FA Cup clash at Wolves' Molineux ground.

Mr Stevens followed the group about 20 yards behind them, hoping to provide police with a detailed description of his son's attacker.

However, when he was spotted by the gang, they set upon him and beat and kicked him.

He added: "I have been following Wolves for 55 years and have never had any trouble or seen anything like this. I am a 64-year-old man - why would I provoke a group of young lads?"

DC Philip Taylor, from the British Transport Police, said: "The assault was particularly vicious and completely unprovoked. The victim is a retired man who was walking towards the railway station alone."

* Anyone with information about the man in the photograph or the incident should call police on 0161 228 5685 or 0121 654 2244.

And what about this incident involving precious man united fans. Eight onto one 64 year old pensioner. Heroes you lot aren't you. And you wonder why you get shite thrown at you:

I thought there wasn't any er...shite thrown. Are you now saying there was?

I thought there wasn't any er...shite thrown. Are you now saying there was?

I don't honestly know. Do you know anybody hit by shite that day? If it happened it's out of order.

Waterfront, no forum member has said the fans who attacked the bloke were `Heroes you lot aren't you"

Your statement implied support for this act. Where was this support on this forum?

You'r statement also said "And you wonder why you get shite thrown at you:", regardless of whether this happened on not these words appear to understand this act?

I am sure you would like to clarify that?

And what about this incident involving precious man united fans. Eight onto one 64 year old pensioner. Heroes you lot aren't you. And you wonder why you get shite thrown at you:

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/205/205150_soccer_attack_suspect_caught_on_camera.html

Very selective memories indeed. For those who can't be bothered to follow the link..;

Soccer attack suspect caught on camera
Clarissa Satchell

DETECTIVES have released CCTV images of an alleged soccer hooligan suspected of leaving a 64-year-old rival fan with a fractured skull.

A group of around eight Manchester United fans punched and kicked Wolves fan David Stevens, leaving him needing hospital treatment, after the FA cup match at Wolverhampton on February 1.

Police are appealing for anyone who recognises the man in the photograph to contact them.

One man was arrested at the scene in connection with the attack and has been released on bail pending further inquiries.

Retired Mr Stevens, from Halesowen in the West Midlands, was walking to Wolverhampton train station when the gang attacked him after a fight broke out between rival fans shortly before 6pm.

He needed emergency surgery and was left with a fractured skull and a damaged cheekbone.


Mr Stevens says the attack was the "worst day of his life". He said: "I'm devastated - it has changed my life completely. There was eight of them just punching and kicking me as I lay on the floor.

"Whenever I try to straighten my arm I'm in absolute agony."

The trouble started when a Manchester United fan launched an unprovoked attack on Mr Stevens's son Wayne, 38, after the FA Cup clash at Wolves' Molineux ground.

Mr Stevens followed the group about 20 yards behind them, hoping to provide police with a detailed description of his son's attacker.

However, when he was spotted by the gang, they set upon him and beat and kicked him.

He added: "I have been following Wolves for 55 years and have never had any trouble or seen anything like this. I am a 64-year-old man - why would I provoke a group of young lads?"

DC Philip Taylor, from the British Transport Police, said: "The assault was particularly vicious and completely unprovoked. The victim is a retired man who was walking towards the railway station alone."

* Anyone with information about the man in the photograph or the incident should call police on 0161 228 5685 or 0121 654 2244.

Quoted for truth.

Both clubs have their ill-educated, thick-headed, in-bred fans who cause trouble and do violent, horrible things. The sorts of people no forummer on here would want to give a "dirty look" at in the pub. Every single English club has them. We should all be ashamed that this sort of thing happens in our own country, amongst people who come through our suposedly advanced educaiton system. It makes me ashamed to be English.

But what do we get on here? Exactly the same mentality as the disgusting, scum bag hooligans. Rather than just drop it and say "yes, we should all regret the shit heads in our society", we instead have "LFC are worse! They have more scum than us!"

For fucks sake, it is embarrassing to read through this thread. As usual, we have the completely thick and inbred Metro (aka EB, aka Trammy, aka dickhead) and others completely missing the point and behaving in the same way as the violent mutants out there. i.e. trying to justify their hatred. Incidentally, the post that was quoted by me was made some time ago on another thread when Metro was making other disgusting comments, and I frankly lost my rag.

Both clubs, in fact, all English clubs, have their scum and lots of it. In addition to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of fantastic people, both at home and abroad. There is plenty of evidence for LFC and Utd fans to throw at each other. What does it achieve except to show what we already knew?

Incidentally, I think the Red Issue magazine is toilet paper and I would be surprised if I heard any mature and intelligent adult say they read it. All it does is cause feeble minded types to hating and getting mis guided.

It said on the news that united fans had put giant banners across the the bridges on the M62 mocking the people who had died at hillsborough.

Well said Blabs.

Perhaps this thread can now get back to the original subject i.e The development of one of Europe's best stadiums?

And along with the development news of the quadrants, do keep us informed on the clean up of the graffiti and repair of the toilets, eh chaps? :cheers:

Rather than just drop it and say "yes, we should all regret the shit heads in our society", we instead have "LFC are worse! They have more scum than us!"
Just like this comment you posted?

"I've often wondered why Man Utd supporters are so despised, not only by Liverpool fans, but by practically every other club in England. I guess it's a personality thing as much as anything else, after all, the real Mancs who support City are usually alright. It's all those Manc wannabes from Greater Manchester and the horrible parts of Lancashire- nasty people, bad jokes, pure vermin.

It'll be nice to see Utd slip in form over the next few years, should hopefully shut the scum up for a couple of years. Including Trammy, I mean Metrolink".

Evidence?

It's no wonder Caw's fucked off. The only person who actually gave a monkeys about moderating the city sub-forums and in quite a liberal manner and all he ever got was shit for being a "Manc obsessed moderator", having the occasional wanker having a proper go at him for evening daring to step foot in the Scouse forum to try and sort things out. Now he's seemingly had enough, the place is running to ruin.

Maybe it's about time to move on because as long as people can make ridiculous sweeping statements with so little fact and we've got blatant bullying from Liverpolitan/Metro, well, there's just no point is there?

The thing I find amazing is how all this shit has only started on SSC since a couple of newish numpties like Pol started piping on about Manchester raping Liverpool. It may've been discussed in the past, but it was exactly that, a discussion. These days, almost every thread is filled with some ridiculous comparison or bating of Manchester. And then you'll have a bunch of Mancs go over to challenge the mongyness, and they too get wrapped up in mongitry.

Fact of the matter is, these problems are emanating from the Liverpool forum. If you dissagree with this, fair enough. But you don't get arguments starting unless somebody starts something. Now seeing as the Scouse forum appears to be the only one in the past 8 months to have had any trouble with the Mancs, and it is ALWAYS a case of Mancs retaliating to something said in the Liverpool forum, then that says more than enough for me.

Balls to it, I'm off. Can't be arsed with it anymore, especially with out and out wank pots like Politan who attempt to mask their bully-boy attitudes with a clever grasp of English (clever when comapred to AMC anyway). Until people can stop looking to blame each other and just sort the fucking thing out, there's no point reading this place as every fucking thread is filled with this shit these days.

Just like this comment you posted?

"I've often wondered why Man Utd supporters are so despised, not only by Liverpool fans, but by practically every other club in England. I guess it's a personality thing as much as anything else, after all, the real Mancs who support City are usually alright. It's all those Manc wannabes from Greater Manchester and the horrible parts of Lancashire- nasty people, bad jokes, pure vermin.

It'll be nice to see Utd slip in form over the next few years, should hopefully shut the scum up for a couple of years. Including Trammy, I mean Metrolink".

Woah woah wo... Who said that.... "Manc wannabes, horrible parts of Lancashire, nasty people, pure vermin"

Woah fucking woah WOAH, waaaaaah :cry:

What do I care, think I'll catch the early evening Paris train.

dgnr8 may I draw your attention to something you said to me?

"Don't let anyone ruin your experience on these forums" or words to that effect. I for one would be pissed off if you didn't contribute any more, and I'm sure ALL the Manc forumers would be too.

Anyway I think we've all gathered now that there are indeed wankers who support all footy teams, without exception.

Evidence?

Is that question aimed at me?

Woah woah wo... Who said that.... "Manc wannabes, horrible parts of Lancashire, nasty people, pure vermin"

What do I care

If you don't care, don't reply. Simple.

I for one don't like being referred to as vermin. Okay?

If you don't care, don't reply. Simple.

I for one don't like being referred to as vermin. Okay?

I did care, then I got over it.

This thread is beyond redemption. Could someone PM a mod and ask him to :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: it?

It's an embarrassment!

Better to just bring the subject to a close rather than close a thread that is actually about the development of the stadium.

Better to just bring the subject to a close rather than close a thread that is actually about the development of the stadium.

Here, here.

so we're agreed, subject closed!

There are still requests for attendance at the Boro game on Monday evening!!!!!







If you know of any plumbers UTD are asking for them to ring 0870 442 1994! ;)



Last game of season is a sell-out (shock) but UTD website does say:

`it is anticipated that a further allocation of tickets will be released in the new North East Quadrant, an announcement will be made after 5pm on Tuesday 25th April"

Waterfront, no forum member has said the fans who attacked the bloke were `Heroes you lot aren't you"

Your statement implied support for this act. Where was this support on this forum?

You'r statement also said "And you wonder why you get shite thrown at you:", regardless of whether this happened on not these words appear to understand this act?

I am sure you would like to clarify that?

To clarify. I'm sick to death of prissy holier than though man united fans spouting vitriol towards liverpool fans, and forever claiming the moral high ground. Going as far to stretch a point as a sad steward photographing a bit of offensive grafitti and wrecked toilets (as if united fans had never done that before) and posting it on internet sites with the sole intention of portraying Liverpool fans as scum. I am just illustrating the fact that not all man u fans are heroes, and not all liverpool fans are the murdering scum, you lot love to portray us as.

Waterfront that subject is now closed, if you want to vent start a new thread please as this one is not about football hooligans but football stadiums, namely the Theatre of Dreams baby!!

so we're agreed, subject closed!
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :applause: :applause: :applause:

There's been too much vitriol on this thread to pretend that what has been said can just be forgotten about. This thread is vile and should be :lock:

:deadthrea :goodnight :grouphug:

No, it's not. But the subject of the last day or so is. We can't close this anyway Longy, we have no Mod any more?? Names in a hat time I think.

No, it's not. But the subject of the last day or so is. We can't close this anyway Longy, we have no Mod any more?? Names in a hat time I think.

i agree - its just i couldnt find find a little smiley fella holding a sign saying "this thread isnt dead but all the nasty bits about people killing each other just isnt on"!

Bttt, we should be discussing whether or not Man Utd will actually fill this mofo of a stadium on a regular basis.

76,000? with that many, there's sure to be a larger than normal segment of corporate Tarquins.

Roy Keane will probably be able to hear the sound of masticating crustaceans from right up in Glasgow... ;)

:lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock:

is this still going on?

It's getting towards 500 posts anyway!

i agree - its just i couldnt find find a little smiley fella holding a sign saying "this thread isnt dead but all the nasty bits about people killing each other just isnt on"!

I know..and you're right

:lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock:

is this still going on?

Yes! But hopefully all the animosity is at an end.

Great avatar btw terry!
My God! Its Full of Stars!

Great avatar btw terry!
My God! Its Full of Stars!

Cheers longford. :cheers:

Nice sig.

I just luv some of the quotes by George Bernard Shaw and Oscar Wilde.

Let's hope this thread can get back on track.

Its funny because i first saw 'my' GBS quote in an article about accents and more specifically about Mancs vs Scousers!
Oooh the irony eh?

so when does the OT expansion get finished then, summer? and will there be any extra toilets for my less learned brethren to vandalise? :jk:

drove past it this afternoon and it's looking good i must (grudgingly) admit, no doubt you'll fill it every game as well. i wonder if there's any intention to develop the south stand, or does the proximity of the railway line preclude this? if you could develop it as a mirror image of the north stand then the place would be up to 90,000 almost :uh:

Glass houses an all that, Tony. You're certainly entitled to your opinion though.

All we ask is that you recognise and admit that there's some "real dickheads" amongst your own lot.

You know by now that football tends to bring out the worst in everybody.

The Scouse 'skins' are every bit as thin as the Mancs.

The trick is to not take it (or yourselves), so seriously. ;)

Thanks for popping over.

Thanks for the welcome Sir Miles
Of course there are knobheads associated with ALL football clubs... as the mantra in the 80s' constantly pleaded (quite correctly) it is wider than a football thing, it is problem within society. I am not defending or condonging any gobshite action by any fans. What I said was that those two incidents turned out not to be true ( so, yes, you are lying about your mother in law Metro, fuckwit!)... but urban myth making is alive and well... so you can retain your opinions if that is how you want to perceive 'scousers'

I can't remember who said that LFC apologising for the incidents was proof... it was only proof that if LFC had NOT apologised then they would have been pilioried for condoning their scum fans... they took the easy option, but one that makes the long term damage worse IMO. You can se the way in which it works by the reaction of some on this thread to my 'defence' of the incidents... how this proved I was condoning the acts, rather than stating (correctly) that they didn't happen..... Yes?

I rarely visit the LFC threads as they contain the usual dribble any footy forum invariably contains.

I fully agree with your last sentence... but that cuts both ways, it is a point I raised on the Liverpool Magical city thread on the Liverpool forum. I read the Manchester forum quite a lot but never feel inclined to respond to pretentious statements about how great manc is etc, no matter how badly constructed... I would expect nothng less on a manchester forum... and I am simply not offended by overblown comments or slight displays of ignorance, so a little of the same reserve on jumping in on the Liverpool forum?

On the (notorious) LMC thread I also warned people off talking football as it always becomes a knobfest... which it does. Some of the comments below though are just appalling, so I felt I had to contribute something... if only to register my disgust

As for the OT incidents lst week, well I think it was poli who posted a link to an LFC forum where they were discussing taking marker pens etc to OT to deface it.... he didn't put it up so we could all giggle with our brave soldiers... he posted it as he was concerend at the type of stuff LFC nobs were planning to do... where does that cut with some of the shite posted below?

There are loads of issues on which we can disagree (englansnorthwest is always one of my favourites!).... bragging rights to gain etc... but shit about people dying and how this betrays some profound psychosis in the cultual make up of a whole city is extremely poor... Imagine if someone's relative who died came across this crass nonsense? I would say that hanging 'bits of white sheet' across a bridge is infinitely more disturbing than smashing up some bogs however, so please, a little perspective on things?

This does of course relate also to tits who go round smashing up grounds as well. The irony there is that LFC will be fully re-embursing MU via the FA!

Oops.. sorry chaps, didn't realise things had moved on when I decided to reply to the quoteed post... yeah, nice ground now..... LFC should avoid this integral roof design they have in mind... if the new stadium ever gets built!

Yes. let's get this thread back on track. I apologise for my ham fisted contribution, I should have stayed out of it. Sorry. Magnificent stadium - there's no denying it. Are there any plans to complete the set of stands by building up the smaller (undeveloped) stand? And if so what will the final capacity be? And will you ultimately be able to fill it? ;)

Magnificent stadium?
As a pure neutral - is OT considered as such except amongst those who, of course, have obvious football related affection for the place?
Ive been in a few around the country in my time and OT has never struck me as a particularly interesting or impressive. I always found it a very 'bitty' and i have been in smaller stadiums that somehow felt bigger (does that make sense?).
Can even you hardcore reds admit that OT is, at best, even in the top ten of stadiums?

Lights blue touch paper and retires to a safe distance!

Internally OT looks very good, externally it's(massive) nothing special, especially the main stand.(externally) The warehouse look of the North Stand certainly doesn't help either. Am I being bitter? :colgate:

It's a big football ground, built to let as many people watch as possible.

That's all a good football ground should be.

It passes the test.

It's a big football ground, built to let as many people watch as possible.

That's all a good football ground should be.

It passes the test.

I had you down as more of an aesthete than that isaac!
Sure it ticks all the boxes for providing for modern football but there are many other stadias around the country which excite me more (for various different reasons).

Much as I love OT, I hate the way that you are so far from the pitch if you're watching from the Tier 3 of the North Stand or the back of the East & West Stands. At the Bernabeu and the Nou Camp, even when you're up in the gods you're still very close to the pitch because the stands are so steep.
And OT is far from pretty but I think it's going to look better once the current work is finished.

I had you down as more of an aesthete than that isaac!
Sure it ticks all the boxes for providing for modern football but there are many other stadias around the country which excite me more (for various different reasons).

I don't think aesthetics comes into it to be honest, it's an industrial building in the British shed tradition and it does what it says on the tin. Tin being the operative word here. I personnally like football grounds that are built to intimidate, something like this in Lima, a football ground designed by a bullring builder.
http://virtualglobetrotting.com/pic/201.jpg

Ha Ha Ha Manc Scum!!

Ha Ha Ha Manc Scum!!

That is nasty!

Lets cheer and be happy that, our only bastard of hope of winning the world cup has jus taken a serious injury...

clap clap...

Lets cheer and be happy that, our only bastard of hope of winning the world cup has jus taken a serious injury...

clap clap...
Ye well done to Chelsea for screwing England. Even the Chelsea fans were wishing he would be alright. I have to say even when we were getting beat 3:0 the United fans didnt stop singing. Also am not really that bothered because they brought the league again and even with all that money they can only buy the league, I mean we did the double and trebles with like no money compared to them. Also they could win the league 4 - 5 times in a row and they still wont be as big as United.

Ye well done to Chelsea for screwing England. Even the Chelsea fans were wishing he would be alright. I have to say even when we were getting beat 3:0 the United fans didnt stop singing. Also am not really that bothered because they brought the league again and even with all that money they can only buy the league, I mean we did the double and trebles with like no money compared to them. Also they could win the league 4 - 5 times in a row and they still wont be as big as United.

You sound very bitter Andy. What's this about United not/never buying the league?

Sometimes you have to give other teams some credit.

You sound very bitter Andy. What's this about United not/never buying the league?

Please.



Success on the pitch came first.

There's a huge difference.

You sound very bitter Andy. What's this about United not/never buying the league?

Sometimes you have to give other teams some credit.
Ye I just watched my team get beat 3:0 to a team who just won the league via money, of course I am going to sound bitter.

You sound very bitter Andy. What's this about United not/never buying the league?

Sometimes you have to give other teams some credit.

You simply can't compare Chelsea's money to the money United had before. At no stage were United able to go out and spend unlimited funds at any time on any player they wanted. Yes, United have always had money but there has always been a limit on spending and a wage structure in place. Certain sums that have been mentioned that Chelsea have been offering Michael Ballack have been simply obscene. Being funded by a sugar daddy is completely different to earning your money through success on the field.

As for the game itself, I think United should feel hard-done by, as Chelsea certainly weren't 3 goals better than us. We could have gone in at half time at 1-1 or even 2-1 up. Unfortunately an appalling decision by the referee to not blow up for a free kick for that challenge from Lampard on Ronaldo has cost us a goal. Although having Mikael Silvestre in the team doesn't help- simply not good enough for United and a terrible display again today.

Packidin

Rio £30 mill, Rooney £20 mill, Van Nistelrooy £19 mill, Louis Saha £13 mill, Alan Smith £7 mill, Gabriel Heinze £7 mill, not to mention the rest.

£96 million.

I rest my case.

I'll leave it at that.

PS. Will United be busy once again in this summers transfer market? You bet your bottom dollar they will be. :)

Rio £30 mill, Rooney £20 mill, Van Nistelrooy £19 mill, Louis Saha £13 mill, Alan Smith £7 mill, Gabriel Heinze £7 mill, not to mention the rest.

£96 million.

I rest my case.

I'll leave it at that.

PS. Will United be busy once again in this summers transfer market? You bet your bottom dollar they will be. :)

That may be true jrbstadium but you could also drop names like Beckham, Neville, Giggs and Cantona (and many more) who cost next to nothing and have been invaluble.

All i can say about Chelsea, and this comes from a bitter Burnley supporter mind you, is:
Jack Walker/ Blackburn
Roman Abromavich/ Chelsea

Walker went and died and so did Blackburn's chances of further glory. Roman will either do one back to Siberia or get nicked/ assasinated and then hopefully Chelsea's success will disappear with him.

That may be true jrbstadium but you could also drop names like Beckham, Neville, Giggs and Cantona (and many more) who cost next to nothing and have been invaluble.

All i can say about Chelsea, and this comes from a bitter Burnley supporter mind you, is:
Jack Walker/ Blackburn
Roman Abromavich/ Chelsea

Walker went and died and so did Blackburn's chances of further glory. Roman will either do one back to Siberia or get nicked/ assasinated and then hopefully Chelsea's success will disappear with him.

I accept your point about Beckham, Butt, Scholes, Giggs, and the Chuckle brothers, but United have always tried to buy the Championship(as it was) and the Premiership.

There's never been a season where United haven't been the biggest spenders, until Roman arrived on the seen that is.

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There's never been a season where United haven't been the biggest spenders, until Roman arrived on the seen that is.[/QUOTE]

Its not that i dont believe you but i'd like to see some facts to back that up jrbsports!

Surely the point is that United owe their achievements and their buying power to sustained success and good management over a period of many years which in turn has brought in the ££.

Chelsea, a little club on the verge of bankruptcy, owe their buying power to one obscenely rich individual who overnight has artificially inflated the club well beyond their means to make them the biggest spending football club on the planet.

There is a world of difference. Manchester United have earned their success and their wealth. Chelsea - as their balance sheet will testify - have not.

Its not that i dont believe you but i'd like to see some facts to back that up jrbsports!

The only facts I can offer you Mr M is my memory. As a bitter, Bertrum, Bluenose, I have had to watch Stretford buy the best players, time after time, year after year, going as far back as I can remember.(late 70's, Coppell, Macari, Pearson, Houston, Jordan, McQueen, etc) Then you've got Robson, Wilkins, Cantona, Keane, etc. The list goes on.

United have always been the biggest spenders Mr Longford, that was until Roman turned up and rocked the apple kart.

Surely the point is that United owe their achievements and their buying power to sustained success and good management over a period of many years which in turn has brought in the ££.

Chelsea, a little club on the verge of bankruptcy, owe their buying power to one obscenely rich individual who overnight has artificially inflated the club well beyond their means to make them the biggest spending football club on the planet.

There is a world of difference. Manchester United have earned their success and their wealth. Chelsea - as their balance sheet will testify - have not.

United have always had the support, which guarantees the wealth.(Before Sky)

It gets better.
Robson and Bruce RELEGATED. :banana: :hahaha: :banana: :hahaha: :banana: :hahaha:

I'm obsessed.

Thought I'd throw this in to the mixer, without any sarcastic comments. :)

A few expensive players missing, Van Nistelrooy, Gabriel Hienz, etc.

UNITED Top 10 Transfers - Bought
£29.1 Million Jul 2003 Rio Ferdinand Leeds United
£27 Million Aug 2004 Wayne Rooney Everton
£12.6 Million Aug 1998 Dwight Yorke Aston Villa
£12.25 Million Aug 2003 Cristiano Ronaldo Sporting Lisbon
£10.75 Million Jul 1998 Jaap Stam PSV Eindhoven
£7.8 Million May 2000 Fabien Barthez Monaco
£7 Million Jan 1995 Andy Cole Newcastle United
£5 Million Aug 1997 Henning Berg Blackburn Rovers
£4.5 Million Aug 1999 Massimo Taibi Venezia
£4.4 Million Aug 1998 Jesper Blomqvist AC Parma
£4 Million Sep 1999 Mikael Silvestre Internazionale
£3.75 Million Jul 1993 Roy Keane Nottingham Forest


UNITED Top 10 Domestic Transfers - Bought
£29.1 Million Jul 2003 Rio Ferdinand Leeds United
£27 Million Aug 2004 Wayne Rooney Everton
£12.6 Million Aug 1998 Dwight Yorke Aston Villa
£7 Million Jan 1995 Andy Cole Newcastle United
£5 Million Aug 1997 Henning Berg Blackburn Rovers
£3.75 Million Jul 1993 Roy Keane Nottingham Forest
£3.5 Million Jun 1997 Teddy Sheringham Tottenham Hotspur
£2.4 Million Sep 1989 Paul Ince West Ham United
£2.3 Million Aug 1989 Gary Pallister Middlesbrough
£1.7 Million Aug 1991 Paul Parker Queens Park Rangers


UNITED Top 10 International Transfers - Bought
£12.25 Million Aug 2003 Cristiano Ronaldo Sporting Lisbon
£10.75 Million Jul 1998 Jaap Stam PSV Eindhoven
£7.8 Million May 2000 Fabien Barthez Monaco
£4.5 Million Aug 1999 Massimo Taibi Venezia
£4.4 Million Aug 1998 Jesper Blomqvist AC Parma
££4 Million Sep 1999 Mikael Silvestre Internazionale
£3.5 Million Jul 1996 Karel Poborsky Slavia Prague
£2.5 Million Jul 2000 Massimo Taibi Reggina
£1.8 Million Jun 1988 Mark Hughes Barcelona
£1.5 Million Jul 1996 Ole Gunnar Solskjaer Molde
£1.5 Million Jul 1997 Erik Nevland Viking Stavanger
£1.5 Million Aug 1999 Quinton Fortune Atletico Madrid

I'm obsessed.

Thought I'd throw this in to the mixer, without any sarcastic comments. :)

UNITED Top 10 Transfers - Bought
£29.1 Million Jul 2003 Rio Ferdinand Leeds United
£27 Million Aug 2004 Wayne Rooney Everton
£12.6 Million Aug 1998 Dwight Yorke Aston Villa
£12.25 Million Aug 2003 Cristiano Ronaldo Sporting Lisbon
£10.75 Million Jul 1998 Jaap Stam PSV Eindhoven
£7.8 Million May 2000 Fabien Barthez Monaco
£7 Million Jan 1995 Andy Cole Newcastle United
£5 Million Aug 1997 Henning Berg Blackburn Rovers
£4.5 Million Aug 1999 Massimo Taibi Venezia
£4.4 Million Aug 1998 Jesper Blomqvist AC Parma
£4 Million Sep 1999 Mikael Silvestre Internazionale
£3.75 Million Jul 1993 Roy Keane Nottingham Forest


UNITED Top 10 Domestic Transfers - Bought
£29.1 Million Jul 2003 Rio Ferdinand Leeds United
£27 Million Aug 2004 Wayne Rooney Everton
£12.6 Million Aug 1998 Dwight Yorke Aston Villa
£7 Million Jan 1995 Andy Cole Newcastle United
£5 Million Aug 1997 Henning Berg Blackburn Rovers
£3.75 Million Jul 1993 Roy Keane Nottingham Forest
£3.5 Million Jun 1997 Teddy Sheringham Tottenham Hotspur
£2.4 Million Sep 1989 Paul Ince West Ham United
£2.3 Million Aug 1989 Gary Pallister Middlesbrough
£1.7 Million Aug 1991 Paul Parker Queens Park Rangers


UNITED Top 10 International Transfers - Bought
£12.25 Million Aug 2003 Cristiano Ronaldo Sporting Lisbon
£10.75 Million Jul 1998 Jaap Stam PSV Eindhoven
£7.8 Million May 2000 Fabien Barthez Monaco
£4.5 Million Aug 1999 Massimo Taibi Venezia
£4.4 Million Aug 1998 Jesper Blomqvist AC Parma
££4 Million Sep 1999 Mikael Silvestre Internazionale
£3.5 Million Jul 1996 Karel Poborsky Slavia Prague
£2.5 Million Jul 2000 Massimo Taibi Reggina
£1.8 Million Jun 1988 Mark Hughes Barcelona
£1.5 Million Jul 1996 Ole Gunnar Solskjaer Molde
£1.5 Million Jul 1997 Erik Nevland Viking Stavanger
£1.5 Million Aug 1999 Quinton Fortune Atletico Madrid
There are loads of players missing off that list. Smith, Ruud and Veron for a start.

There are loads of players missing off that list. Smith, Ruud and Veron for a start.

Thanks Andy.

Even more proof that United have also tried and succeeded in buying the Championship/Premiership.

If that's what it takes, I wish someone would bankroll City. :)

PS. It's not just money, it's having the right manager as well.
Proof? Real Madrid. Money doesn't always equal success, but it helps.

Even more proof that United have also tried and succeeded in buying the Championship/Premiership.

.... by money that has been earned through sustained success and good management rather than donated to them like some sort of charity case - which is what Chelsea effectively were. You cannot compare United's success and how it has been achieved with that of Chelsea.

.... by money that has been earned through sustained success and good management rather than donated to them like some sort of charity case - which is what Chelsea effectively were. You cannot compare United's success and how it has been achieved with that of Chelsea.

United have always been able to buy the best players because of the size of their support, hence money has always been available to buy the best players, which in turn means continued success on the pitch. My point being,
United like Chelsea have bought success, regardless of where the money has come from.

The thing with Chelsea is if they dont start making money soon they wont be like they are forever. They dont have the commercial support and fan support to pay the players wages without someone putting lots of money into the club. If Mr Billionaire left now, god Chelsea would be in some trouble, probs go down within a year or so. I feel that only two clubs can coupe long term and thats Arsenal and United. Arsenal and United have good financial plans (even through they are both in massive debt) and lots of assets.

The thing with Chelsea is if they dont start making money soon they wont be like they are forever. They dont have the commercial support and fan support to pay the players wages without someone putting lots of money into the club. If Mr Billionaire left now, god Chelsea would be in some trouble, probs go down within a year or so. I feel that only two clubs can coupe long term and thats Arsenal and United. Arsenal and United have good financial plans (even through they are both in massive debt) and lots of assets.

You can add Liverpool to that list Andy, espcially when they move to their larger stadium.

You can add Liverpool to that list Andy, espcially when they move to their larger stadium.
Liverpool wont get there new ground un-less an investor buys into the club. A new of people have expressed interest but no one has put any money foward. The only other way is Liverpool take out lones to pay for it. I recon it will be atleast another 4 years before work even starts.

United have always been able to buy the best players because of the size of their support, hence money has always been available to buy the best players, which in turn means continued success on the pitch. My point being,
United like Chelsea have bought success, regardless of where the money has come from.

You're completely missing the point though. United started with nothing- they built up that huge support through success on the pitch. Chelsea only 5 years ago were in a dire financial situation and all of a sudden, they can buy anyone- it's not like their money is anything to do with their performances on the pitch.

You're completely missing the point though. United started with nothing- they built up that huge support through success on the pitch. Chelsea only 5 years ago were in a dire financial situation and all of a sudden, they can buy anyone- it's not like their money is anything to do with their performances on the pitch.

Liam. The point was, have United ever bought the title(Championship/Premiership) just like Chelsea? Yes they have! Never said there was anything wrong with that, just me and Andy disagreeing some what on that point. :)

You're completely missing the point though. United started with nothing- they built up that huge support through success on the pitch. Chelsea only 5 years ago were in a dire financial situation and all of a sudden, they can buy anyone- it's not like their money is anything to do with their performances on the pitch.

I agree with the success on the pitch bit, but the Munich air disaster had a massive(arrgh) affect on United's support. A combination of both to be honest.

Liam. The point was, have United ever bought the title(Championship/Premiership) just like Chelsea? Yes they have! Never said there was anything wrong with that, just me and Andy disagreeing some what on that point

No they havn't. To compare United with Chelsea is totally false for the reasons put to you. By that logic you could equally say the City have by the same token "bought" they success, relatively speaking.

City's got a massive following. . .

No they havn't. To compare United with Chelsea is totally false for the reasons put to you. By that logic you could equally say the City have by the same token "bought" they success, relatively speaking.

What have Chelsea done that United haven't? They've both bought the Championship/Premiership. You can't criticize Chelsea and some how make out United have never done the exact/same thing.

I'll repeat it again. United have bought the title, so have Chelsea!

PS. We could throw custard pies all day. Let's leave it at that ah. :)

Ye but United first became successful with the youth team and then they had to spend money to be the best because its was what the fans wanted and the team wanted. Even in 1999 they hadnt started to spend as much money as teams do now. Its just that Chelsea didnt win cups like we did, we won afew cups with not that much money and then we got the money, it just didnt fall out of the sky like Chelsea's did. Theres a big difference, if you cant see that dont bother replying.

Ye but United first became successful with the youth team and then they had to spend money to be the best because its was what the fans wanted and the team wanted. Even in 1999 they hadnt started to spend as much money as teams do now. Its just that Chelsea didnt win cups like we did, we won afew cups with not that much money and then we got the money, it just didnt fall out of the sky like Chelsea's did. Theres a big difference, if you cant see that dont bother replying.

Apart from that period when the youth players came through,(I'll give you that) United have always tried to buy the Championship/Premiership. I've seen it for last 30 years Andy. Please don't try and tell me it's been any different, because it hasn't.

The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round... Wipe the custard of your face mate! :)

City have always tried to buy success as well.

and failed

Liverpool and Newcastle have spent more than us over the last decade. Not much success either.

You'd think the Bitters with their massive support and massive status(three stars on their badge!), would at least do better than the likes of Portsmouth and Crystal Palace over the last god knows how many fucking years.

Simple: They have no money, not the sort of money it takes to win things anyway. They unfortunately will always be also rans unless something major happens there.

any side who've won the league has done it by spending shedloads of money; chelsea, arsenal, manu, blackburn, leeds etc etc... they've all spent a fair wedge, particularly chelsea & manu. the differentiating factor however is where the money has come from. blackburn were the first club to have a sugar-daddy in jack walker, but at least he was a blackburn man whose heart & soul belonged to the place. chelsea and abramovich are a different story, they're just a plaything and an ego-vehicle for him and as such i have very little respect for what they've achieved.

as much as i dislike manu at least their multi-millions were generated from within so the money was "theirs"* as opposed to appearing overnight by way of an unrelated benefactor, and the core players who brought all that success were all brought up through the ranks apart from cantona & keane



*if you can call selling your soul to any-comers on the stockmarket for instant wealth "your own money" ;)

and the core players who brought all that success were all brought up through the ranks apart from cantona & keane


And Jaap Stam, Andy Cole, Dwight York, Teddy Sheringham, Henning Berg, Ole Gunner Solskjaer, Jesper Blomquist, Dennis Irwin, Peter Schmeichel and Ronny Johnsen.

All played in the European Cup Final, all bought from elsewhere.

Well buying the title..ok it gives them a hard-on for a season or so but lets not forget what happened to Blackburn, they bought it and then disappeared. Building a youth team/squad is the only way to have long term success. Chelsea are nothing but a flash in the pan, good luck to them, but it won't last.

any side who've won the league has done it by spending shedloads of money; chelsea, arsenal, manu, blackburn, leeds.......Eh! and Liverpool. ;)

*if you can call selling your soul to any-comers on the stockmarket for instant wealth "your own money" ;)

I'm not rich by any means, but I held shares in Man Utd, and all my dividends were reinvested in more Man Utd shares.

Is Liverpool FC owned by the fans, or a few wealthy individuals?

In other words, it possible for any individual, like yourself, to buy shares in Liverpool FC?

In other words, it possible for any individual, like yourself, to buy shares in Liverpool FC?

no, liverpool fc is privately owned not a plc with publicly listed shares as manu were till glazer arrived. our majority owner is david moores (51%) of the moores family of littlewoods fame. the family and the littlewoods company have been great benefactors of the city of liverpool as a whole with a philanthropic interest spreading much farther and wider than football. he's been a great chairman for us through some quite testing times, i have a lot of time for a chairman who takes a back seat when it comes to footballing matters in today's climate of egomaniac club owners so fond of throwing their weight around and preening themselves in the media spotlight.

the thing i like about being privately owned is that the club has the last word on any potential investors/buyers rather than being at the mercy of anyone who's got the money as happened at the united "franchise".

no, liverpool fc is privately owned not a plc with publicly listed shares as manu were till glazer arrived. our majority owner is david moores (51%) of the moores family of littlewoods fame. the family and the littlewoods company have been great benefactors of the city of liverpool as a whole with a philanthropic interest spreading much farther and wider than football. he's been a great chairman for us through some quite testing times, i have a lot of time for a chairman who takes a back seat when it comes to footballing matters in today's climate of egomaniac club owners so fond of throwing their weight around and preening themselves in the media spotlight.

the thing i like about being privately owned is that the club has the last word on any potential investors/buyers rather than being at the mercy of anyone who's got the money as happened at the united "franchise".

So it's owned by a few wealthy individuals then?

no, liverpool fc is privately owned not a plc with publicly listed shares as manu were till glazer arrived. our majority owner is david moores (51%) of the moores family of littlewoods fame. the family and the littlewoods company have been great benefactors of the city of liverpool as a whole with a philanthropic interest spreading much farther and wider than football. he's been a great chairman for us through some quite testing times, i have a lot of time for a chairman who takes a back seat when it comes to footballing matters in today's climate of egomaniac club owners so fond of throwing their weight around and preening themselves in the media spotlight.

the thing i like about being privately owned is that the club has the last word on any potential investors/buyers rather than being at the mercy of anyone who's got the money as happened at the united "franchise".

Which chairman, perhaps other than fan owned Crystal Palace has a high profile owner? Not Utd, the Glazers don't do publicity, not the Moores, Arsenal....I can think of only Roman, who is just a tit when it comes to money?

This used to be a really good thread for the expansion of Old Trafford. Why has everyone ruined it by arguing bitterly off topic??

So it's owned by a few wealthy individuals then?


YES, i'm happy to say. a few wealthy born-and-bred scousers with the good of the club and the city at their hearts, rather than a random american businessman whose primary aim is personal profit at the expense of the company's customers ie. you

Which chairman, perhaps other than fan owned Crystal Palace has a high profile owner? Not Utd, the Glazers don't do publicity, not the Moores, Arsenal....I can think of only Roman, who is just a tit when it comes to money?

Gold & Sullivan at Birmingham, Shepherd at Newcastle, Mandaric at Portsmouth, Al-Fayed at Fulham.... need I go on...?

Whelen at Wigan, Ridsdale/Hamman at Cardiff (Formally Leeds/Dons), Bates at Leeds now, Bob Murray at Sunderland, Madejski at Reading, Kassam at Oxford, Barry Fry at Peterborough.... yeah theres a fair few,

Roman Abramovitch at Avangard Omsk.

www.hawk.ru

look for the link

YES, i'm happy to say. a few wealthy born-and-bred scousers with the good of the club and the city at their hearts

Do you remember Louis Edwards? or his son Martin?

These guys don't 'do it' for the love of their club, or their City, they are in it for the money, or for some; it's an hobby.

rather than a random american businessman whose primary aim is personal profit at the expense of the company's a customers ie. you

American businessmen like the Craft family!? Who want to own Liverpool so they can profit from the paying customers like, i.e you.

Whelen at Wigan, Ridsdale/Hamman at Cardiff (Formally Leeds/Dons), Bates at Leeds now, Bob Murray at Sunderland, Madejski at Reading, Kassam at Oxford, Barry Fry at Peterborough.... yeah theres a fair few,


Are these high-profile chairman in the Premiership?

regardless of which most chairman just take a back seat and keep stum because of the flack they receive. Most keep a low profile and say nothing for long periods of time about their clubs.

The example of the Brum duo, earlier is valid but they only piped up when relegation was certain and their players could not be arsed. Were any Brum fans complaining he gave their players a rocket?

I think most chairman, keep quiet and say nothing, they don't want to be entertaining guests and have half-a-dozen irate fans shouting abuse from a few seats away.

ANYWAY, the Middlesbouroughough turnout was appalling last night. I think that was the lowest I have seen since Wimbledon many,many moons ago.

There were `only' 69500 in last night with the capacity c 71,000.... loads of empty seats dotted about... thank you sky for an 8pm kick-off on a Bank Holiday Monday. The NW quadrant looked usuable last night...maybe the Charlton game will see it's 1st and last use this season...I don't think the Keano or Charity match will be using the new quadrants?

There wasnt 69,000 in last night, no chance. Cant have been more than 65,000. I was in the North and I could see no stand was full, I had 4 empty seats in the row infront of me. Empty seats all over the place and boro only had like 300 fans.

American businessmen like the Craft family!? Who want to own Liverpool so they can profit from the paying customers like, i.e you.


well it's certainly news to me that we're owned by the craft family...

There wasnt 69,000 in last night, no chance. Cant have been more than 65,000. I was in the North and I could see no stand was full, I had 4 empty seats in the row infront of me. Empty seats all over the place and boro only had like 300 fans.


67,988 according to manutd.com, biggest attendance since 1939 or something. very impressive.

Man United publish ticket sales rather than turnstile clicks. 60,000 + for a nothing game at this stage of the season is still very healthy.

Man United publish ticket sales rather than turnstile clicks. 60,000 + for a nothing game at this stage of the season is still very healthy.

Strange they are allowed to do that, presume the police etc know the true figure... like I say LOADS of empty seats and Boro were just pathetic, a pub side would have brought more. I would have said 65,000 ish as well.

RF the Boro...I once counted (saddo) the Wimbledon fans....I seem to think it was 13 or something hilarious like that!!

Was unusual to see the new section `full' bar the construction bits at the back and front and the rest of OT with spaces. The day trippers turned up in full and the regulars stayed at home. This must have repurcussions to the business plan in that cup games are more likely to be snapped up by new comers than some of the regulars?

....perhaps why the cup debenture scheme is being enforced on the new season ticket purchases... the demand is still there?

Saw that Barca only had 75,000 in the other night...

seems like UTD would easily be the best attended in Europe given the facilities and if we can only buy a holding midfielder, a ball playing midfielder, a striker who can not only score but assist as well, a tough tackling injury free centre half, a winger who looks up, another winger who looks up, an average aged keeper, a tactically aware manager, owners with no debt then we will be a force to be reckoned with!!!

Touts have said for the last 2 years demand is down but at the same time games are mainly selling out.

Season ticket holders are the first to gib a nothing match and many just don't go to cup games.

I think it's scandelous that people forking out hundreds of £s in the summer, an interest free loan in effect, are being cajoled into paying even more money up front for something which may or may not happen.

Strange they are allowed to do that, presume the police etc know the true figure... like I say LOADS of empty seats and Boro were just pathetic, a pub side would have brought more. I would have said 65,000 ish as well.

RF the Boro...I once counted (saddo) the Wimbledon fans....I seem to think it was 13 or something hilarious like that!!

Was unusual to see the new section `full' bar the construction bits at the back and front and the rest of OT with spaces. The day trippers turned up in full and the regulars stayed at home. This must have repurcussions to the business plan in that cup games are more likely to be snapped up by new comers than some of the regulars?

....perhaps why the cup debenture scheme is being enforced on the new season ticket purchases... the demand is still there?

They may have been saving for the UEFA Cup Final. Football's expensive, Middlesboro is not a wealthy place.

Touts have said for the last 2 years demand is down but at the same time games are mainly selling out.

Season ticket holders are the first to gib a nothing match and many just don't go to cup games.

I think it's scandelous that people forking out hundreds of £s in the summer, an interest free loan in effect, are being cajoled into paying even more money up front for something which may or may not happen.

Got to worry for Fergie...sounds daft when we are second but...he has spent more than anyone bar Chelsea and Real Madrid and we have some appalling players, out of position, not working hard enough, not doing the basics at free-kicks etc...if applications for tickets are down then coupled with the terrible football then the Glazers may go for a new face?

Seems the team are stale, it is a miracle (praise for Fergie for coping with his own terrible signings?!?) that with this squad we are where we are.

no doubt people will miss the point and tell me how wonderful fergie is....same old answer, when were the reds last playing with a team that got you excited going to the match....3+ years ago now?

They may have been saving for the UEFA Cup Final. Football's expensive, Middlesboro is not a wealthy place.

probably true... cheaper to get to a euro away than most places in uk!! still of all the away games to go to, have utd fallen so far no one wants to watch them...or are they all macums? 44,000 at Sunders v Arse.

They may have been saving for the UEFA Cup Final. Football's expensive, Middlesboro is not a wealthy place.
The game being a 8pm kick off didn’t help did it? Why couldn’t it have been 3pm it was not on sky? Boro fans wouldn’t have got home until 1.00am so I’m sure that they would have brought more that 300 if it had been a 3 kick off and how many dads where put off taking young children to the game with school the next day? Its about time clubs starting thinking a bit more about the fans when they arrange kick off times.

The Chelsea situation is unprecidented.

What ever Man U have done in the past it has all been based on previous success and/or Man U relarted football revenue.

Ironically the only times they have tried to 'buy' successs they have failed.. i.e the late 70s' and 80s'. If you check out the stats for players bought etc

They are much the best managed and business savvy of the british football clubs, which really grates, because with regards to the ultimate football ambition, where LFC have been far the better... i.e, winning lots of things!

You only have to look at Anfield (super successful club on the field... unsophisticated in the world of business) and Old Trafford (relatively unsuccessful until the last decade...very astute at building on core revenue)

Now don't get hooked on the last statement guys.. take in the context of the whole thread.... you have done much better out of your football activities than the mighty Reds.


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Got to worry for Fergie...sounds daft when we are second but...he has spent more than anyone bar Chelsea and Real Madrid and we have some appalling players, out of position, not working hard enough, not doing the basics at free-kicks etc...if applications for tickets are down then coupled with the terrible football then the Glazers may go for a new face?

Seems the team are stale, it is a miracle (praise for Fergie for coping with his own terrible signings?!?) that with this squad we are where we are.

no doubt people will miss the point and tell me how wonderful fergie is....same old answer, when were the reds last playing with a team that got you excited going to the match....3+ years ago now?

I'm glad someone's said this, because I totally agree. John O'Shea playing in centre of midfield? If someone had told me he would be a regular there at the start of the season I would have laughed. Can we win the European Cup with O'Shea as the holding midfield player next season? The answer is a resounding no.

Our set pieces are simply appalling, delivery from corners is poor and our ratio for goals from free kicks is far too low.

As United we should be challenging for European Cups. Our squad has never really been as strong as it should be, and could be, for a number of years now. I remember Fergie commenting after our 2-1 victory over Juventus at Old Trafford a few years ago, that it was a good result 'because they have a stronger squad than us'. It made me think, 'we are Manchester United, why can't we have a squad as strong as Juventus?' And we should have done, and still should. Fergie has got away with his extremely poor signings of recent years to some extent- why did he sign Bellion, Djemba-Djemba and Miller? This is Manchester United, not Birmingham City! Surely he could recognise that they were not, and never could be good enough for Manchester United. Did he expect to win a European Cup with an attack spearheaded by David Bellion, or a midfield anchored by Eric Djemba-Djemba?

His more recent signings have been better though. Heinze was one of his best signings for a long time- great player, perfect attitude- truly a Manchester United player. Obviously every United fan is delighted we got Rooney- the best 20 year old I've ever seen, but it was hardly a stroke of genius paying £27 million for him- it's kind of like Fergie's hand was forced by Newcastle's interest.

Silvestre is the one player who really infuriates me in this current team. He makes a habit of producing terrible performances in the really important games- the derby at the City of Manchester Stadium and Chelsea last weekend instantly spring to mind. He's simply not good enough to wear the shirt. I'm glad Fergie seems to have finally seen the light with Darren Fletcher- how he could persist with such a mediocre player at such a big club? It makes you question the judgement of the manager- alright, he's won 8 Premierships, but supporters demand success now, and a manager should not be excused because of former glories.

It's how we all truly feel? It is just like watching Cloughie, he even has the same tale-tale red nose. Shame really. Too much time spent buying horses and not enough teaching lazy pros how to trap a bag of cement.

few pics for you

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/coopermanuk/STB_0165.jpg

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/coopermanuk/STC_0166.jpg

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/coopermanuk/IMG_0173.jpg

The roof seems to float in that second photo, actually looks good.

A real wasted opportunity to smarten up OT, looks like it was designed by someone who had to much to drink. I hope they at least try and do something with all those concrete walls.

I'm lovin it x

Against Boro it was a shit game, didnt sell out and it was just generally shit. Ground felt werid as it didnt feel like there were 60,000 were in untill the last 20 mins.

Have part of the stands had to close again or did the disappointment of the Chelsea match ensure there were not enough takers to sell out for the 0-0 with Middlesbrough last Monday?

sol

It didnt sell out. It was a nothing game so not many people had that much interest in it but its Charlton tomorrow and that is a total sell out as its the last game of the season and we need to win to get second spot.

Charlton wasn't a sell out either - 73,006. Still, first time the North East quadrant was opened.


A few shots about 15 minutes before kick off...


Legend:

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/6707/img05196zm.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Stretford End:

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7084/img05200cc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


A few seats sectioned off in the NW quad:

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/3111/img05211jw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Third tier looming large:

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8750/img05229oh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


NE quad open for business:

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/6886/img05231io.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



Apparently Keano's testimonial is a 76,000 sell out. Well, that's what it says on the T-Shirt.

Not all your pics are showing. The North East has been open once before against Sunderland, there were about a 1000 seats open. United stopped selling tickets about 3-4 days before the Chalton game. I think it was the best United could do with the seats they had at the time. I can tell you that at the Boro game and Chalton game not all the seats had been put in the North East Quad. Unless they have put them in today Keanos game will not be 76,000 sell out.

There were ticksts available for Charlton in the NE quad up to the day of the game. Two consecutive non sell outs now.

Keano's testemonial is 68,000 as the Quads aren't open. Something to do with the safety license as with the FA cup semi-final. Or so I hear.

I think the the lack of sell-outs was more to do with people not knowing about the spare seats.........ok and the lack of any meaningful games...although I don't think that was the primary factor in the last two games. I'd eat my hat if every league game was not sold out next season.

What is happening with the boarded off areas? Are there seats in these sections or more exec or it is roof trusses. I hope not the latter...I doubt they would have built the ground with wasted areas or even blocked views..does anyone have a render or know?

69,591 for keanes testamonial

69,591 for keanes testamonial
Who went? I did it was minted. Best game ever.

I traveled down yesterday for it.Cracking game apart from the scoreline.
stadium is amazing,not as good as parkhead though :runaway: :)

I traveled down yesterday for it.Cracking game apart from the scoreline.
stadium is amazing,not as good as parkhead though :runaway: :)

Celtic park holds 15,000 less than OT and has posts blocking views in both side stands, old Trafford has no restricted views so explain to me why celtic park is better?

I think it was slightly tongue in cheek hence the smileys. Give him a break.

i agree, i don't think he meant it in an argumentative way, but just as friendly banter

All : like the guys said above , i wasn't being totally serious, i sit in paradise all season so i think its better but then again i have green tinted spectacles on, apologies for you getting your knickers in a twist about that there , wont happen again ;)
p.s. Just because a stadium holds more spectators doesnt automatically make it better. :)

All : like the guys said above , i wasn't being totally serious, i sit in paradise all season so i think its better but then again i have green tinted spectacles on, apologies for you getting your knickers in a twist about that there , wont happen again ;)
p.s. Just because a stadium holds more spectators doesnt automatically make it better. :)

agreed, but i have to say OT is better due to quality, capacity, facilities etc etc
but don't want to get into this debate :)

Thats what i'm meaing , i do recognise Old Trafford IS a better stadium as it does have better facilities.But there will always be a soft spot for parkhead. Hope you dont thinkim being a bit of an arse, honestly not trying to be.:)

Thats what i'm meaing , i do recognise Old Trafford IS a better stadium as it does have better facilities.But there will always be a soft spot for parkhead. Hope you dont thinkim being a bit of an arse, honestly not trying to be.:)

if you see my post before the one above you will see i know what you meant

i watched soccer aid the other night and those new quadrants really have made a right mess of the stadium. It now looks like its made from lego with bits that dont really fit. Before I thought it was a nice stadium, I wouldnt goa as far as some people because I wasnt that impressed when i went (with facilities etc) but now it just looks terrible, so disorganised and i cant think of a way of describing it apart from it just looks wrong!

i watched soccer aid the other night and those new quadrants really have made a right mess of the stadium. It now looks like its made from lego with bits that dont really fit. Before I thought it was a nice stadium, I wouldnt goa as far as some people because I wasnt that impressed when i went (with facilities etc) but now it just looks terrible, so disorganised and i cant think of a way of describing it apart from it just looks wrong!

OT is far better now the quadrants have been filled in but remember work is not complete yet, I would suggest you take a visit to OT as I'm sure your opinion of this legend would change should you see OT in the flesh rather than on TV.

It is soooooo overrated, and the new quads are a disaster...look at the state of the place...who the fuck designed it???? Did anybody design it or was it just pot luck?

I think they have done a reasonable job with the quadrants considering the two tiers that were being joined together have different depths and heights. Although this shouldn't have happened, if united and the architects had been on the ball they would have designed the second tiers of the two goal end stands to have the same depth, gradient and height as the second tier of the older 3 tiered side stand (sorry don't know the names of the stands). This would have allowed much more simpler and asthetically pleasing quadrants. But they look ok and do their job, you cannot tell that they are a bit lop-sided when they are full of fans.

Anyone been watching BBC News 24 today? All the seats in the East Stand look a funny colour? Any ideas. I know the Vodafone will be ripped out so I might have a new seat next season.

Possibly those were for the fans to hold up something at the start of the match, for the England v Northern Ireland all the seats at one end had green laid over them and at the other end all white with the English Cross. Could be wrong though I missed the match on TV except for the goals!

There was like an england fan on the seats or something. Also there were only 50,000 odd in.

its 72,000 against Jamaica on saturday

its 72,000 against Jamaica on saturday

Not quite just over 70,000 but a brill atmosphere. A good showcase for the biggest and best club football stadium in Britain.

You will all just have to wait for Uniteds first home match in the Premiership for the House Full signs and 76,000 give or take a few hundred for segragation. Another stadium record for United, Premiership record and biggest english crowd since the late fifties, early sixties. Anyone know when there was last 76,000 at a league match. There was 74,000 at an Everton match in 1964 at Goodison Park. ? Come on all you Stattos.

Im so disappointed with the way the quads turned out. I couldn't wait to see a nicely uniform bowl out of the three sides, but it looks too messy now, a real shame.

As it used to say in that 70's ITV show, ''Never mind the quality feel the Width'' still it looks great full.

ye when its full you cant see how mish mash it looks because the stands are all different gradiants and man utd will sell out every game!

Maybe if or when they completly finish the areas and instrad of haing white walls, they paint them say red or grey it would look better. More likely they will get covered in advertisements.

i think its more to do with the roof which is making it look very awkward, otherwise when full the quads look fine

Just wait for those champions league matches with 75,000 plus :master:

i think its more to do with the roof which is making it look very awkward, otherwise when full the quads look fine

the gradiants of the second tiers on the north stand and the 2 end stands are different....thats why it awkward.

Is it going to be finished by the start of next season?

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j159/rolybling2/P1010074small.jpg

August something is the start of the new season. Probs around 1 month and 20 days to go, be a close call if its finished or not.

Does anyone know how this expansion is getting along now? I know it was fairly finished, but i've seen no updates since. :(

Must be finished now. On the United website they have a virtual reality tour of the entire stadium if your interested. http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={0C8FD46D-122A-4FE2-B1A4-BA953BCC1600}

I found this on flickr:

http://static.flickr.com/61/200389621_697e3ce3a2_o.jpg

Not too much of interest, apart from the 'nike tick' has gone and replaced with 'Stretford' nice touch. :)

The North West quadrant was finished 2 weeks ago the North East is just having its scafolding taken down now so I think it must be just finished.