Having looked at Old Trafford over the match yesterday it is clearly magnificent but does anyone know are there any plans to expand the 4th side.

When I used to work with a lot of Man U fans a few years ago they claimed that the club had virtually bought up all the houses on the far side of the railway line so effectively they can simply build over the railway leaving it in a tunnel containing "Old Trafford Football Ground" station. Is this still the case or is this all pre-Glazers and now pie in the sky, indeed was it ever more?

I hope something like this does occur as OT could look truly magnificent with 4 sides built up to 2 /3 tier standard.

That is the plan i beleive Chris , yeah OT will look even more awesome if the South stand is the same height as the North :)

Give it 10 years and we might have 90,000 seater Old Trafford.

I think with the debt 10 years would be the earliest we could look for more stadium expansion now, though depends on how the corporate side settles down with the present huge corporate increase with the new quadrants....if the North Stand and the other two quadrants were completed in mirror image on the south side the capacity would be c93,000....ie the biggest ground in europe. (Barca is now restricted to 90-92,000 I believe).

now that would take the piss!

If they built the south stand and corners like the north stand it would be approx' 100,000.The corners , 4000 each . The second tier of the north stand holds 11,000 and the top tier holds 4,000 .
South stand corner West 4000+plus
South stand corner East 4000+plus
South stand second tier 11000+plus
South stand third tier third tier 4000+plus.
Arond the ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND MARK . And fill it for the big games .

I think it's "luxury seats" only from now on, in any further expansion at OT. An extra 3-4,000 tops.

If they built the south stand and corners like the north stand it would be approx' 100,000.The corners , 4000 each . The second tier of the north stand holds 11,000 and the top tier holds 4,000 .
South stand corner West 4000+plus
South stand corner East 4000+plus
South stand second tier 11000+plus
South stand third tier third tier 4000+plus.
Arond the ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND MARK . And fill it for the big games .

The North Stand as a whole added 11,000 seats, not its second tier. The building of the North Stand took capacity from 44,000 to 55,000. A south copy of the North Stand with corners would add around 19,000 giving a final capacity of between 94,000 and 95,000. Even if it was done though, there would be a lot more luxury and corporate facilities in it than the North Stand has, so I would expect a final capacity around the 92,000 mark.

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I knew United were up to their eyeballs in debt, but surely you could afford better players than Steve Watson???

Weaste devil
remember that the WHOLE of the north stand was first knocked down then rebuilt . The new lower tier holds 10, 000, the second tier, as I said, holds 11,000 and the top third tier holds ,as I said 4,000 , to make the total 25,000. If the south stand was just built on the existing structure to mirror the north it would add 15,000. As I said .

All I know is that after the North Stand was built, the capacity was 11,000 more that it was before it was built. Now, if the second tier is 11,000 and the third tier 4,000, that means that the new lower tier is 4,000 smaller in capacity than the old one was, which I can't see TBH. I don't know what the capacity of the old North Stand was, but by your reckoning it was 14,000. I also don't know what the particular difference between the old North and current South was either, but I would suppose that it wasn't that much different. So, the point I made remains, that knocking down the current South Stand and building a carbon copy of the North in its place would only add 11,000 seats, because that's all it added when it was built.

Weastie
I dont think that they'd knock down the South stand , theres too much important stuff in there to be doing that .If -IF- they do any expansion there I'm pretty sure that they'd just "add on" .
By the way ,just re-read my earlier post and it sounded a bit twatty, soz if it came over that way .

The extra tiers on the South stand hold approximately, 7,250 and 3,400. Cant remember the exact figures. The 25,000 figure comes from the fact that the original south stand cantilever went partially around the two ends, with a 10,000 bottom standing tier and 10,000 seats. The exact capacity therefore depends on where you decide the stand ends. The North stand holds 11,200 or so. 1 extra tier the same as for the South Stand would add 7,500 again depending if there is enough room and also it depends if the club decide to have more legroom for the seats. Some of the other stands at O.T. have been criticised for lack of legroom. If the club can build right over the railway lines a final top tier could add another 3,500. The final capacity assuming 2 corners of 4,000 each. This would lead to a 94,600 capacity. Dont think this will ever happen. Must double check the figures.

At The St Helens V Hull Super League Final...

Early
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best pictures i've seen yet, kev. :okay:

look at the size of that main stand!

Just a bit of fun .... killing some time before Sunday lunch.
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Brilliant photos, any chance of making the full size versions available? Would love to stick one or two on the wall.

No problem. Here ya go :)

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Whooo, many thanks indeed.

Is that you in the Football Ground Message Board, those pics are great. Thaose pics makes Emirates look small, and Villas Trinity Road stand look tiny!

Nice one nosehairuk :D If only...

Is that you in the Football Ground Message Board, those pics are great.

Yes it is. Same person :)

Would you like to post those simulated pictures of the 94,000 capacity Old Trafford. Just to spice up the board, pretend its an official announcement, and i will of course agree with you. We need to liven up the board. make it a new thread as well? J

Old trafford is a great ground but when you are there it never looks quite as big as it does in pictures or on the tv. If your tall like me you also have cramped leg space.

Thats just what my girlfriend said the first time she saw it, it looks bigger on telly. I dont suppose any of you with spare time on their hands could mock up an image of OT with the otherside tiered up.

Havn't read this thread have you. Go back to post 196.

Thats just what my girlfriend said the first time she saw it, it looks bigger on telly. I dont suppose any of you with spare time on their hands could mock up an image of OT with the otherside tiered up.

Was she talking about the stadium or your &*%^:)

I must have missed that one. Any of the outside then?

Capacity reached last night at home v Portsmouth. 76,004. Allowing for segregation doubt if many more will be crammed in. !

From the Mirror:

OLD TRAFFORD AT 100,000

Monday 6th November 2006

Ferguson wants to see it happen.

Ferguson has said that he will be happy when the club has a capacity of 100,000. From the Mirror:

"We're a big club and we're going to get bigger," said Fergie. "If I had to point to an aspect in which I've done well, and I think the directors would admit this, it's that I've always pushed them to increase the size of the stadium.

"When it went up to 76,000 and our chief executive David Gill made the announcement and I was asked for a quote, I said once we got to 100,000 I would be happy.

"I knew that David would be panicking at that. After all, it would entail going over the railway line behind the main stand and buying up houses. But we could do it.

"The next step could be filling in the third and fourth quadrants, without touching the railway, to get the capacity over 90,000. I'll be pushing for that."

Atm they are selling nearly all their tickets, so that means they are making more money than before, that also means more sales of everything, theres a bigger shirt deal in place and if they win the league or champions league, who knows, they could start drawing up plans by the end of next year or the year after. London has already got the 2012 Olympics and Old Trafford will be used for the Football and then possibly if we get the world cup 6 years later. I think Old Trafford will be developed above 90,000 between 2008 and 2012 and then over 100,000 between 2012 and 2018. Its looking very good for English football and sport over the next 15 years.

From the Mirror:

OLD TRAFFORD AT 100,000

Monday 6th November 2006

Ferguson wants to see it happen.

Ferguson has said that he will be happy when the club has a capacity of 100,000. From the Mirror:

"We're a big club and we're going to get bigger," said Fergie. "If I had to point to an aspect in which I've done well, and I think the directors would admit this, it's that I've always pushed them to increase the size of the stadium.

"When it went up to 76,000 and our chief executive David Gill made the announcement and I was asked for a quote, I said once we got to 100,000 I would be happy.

"I knew that David would be panicking at that. After all, it would entail going over the railway line behind the main stand and buying up houses. But we could do it.

"The next step could be filling in the third and fourth quadrants, without touching the railway, to get the capacity over 90,000. I'll be pushing for that."

I don't think it is possible to do the other two corners before the main stand (railway) because the roof of the main stand would prevent any sight lines.

I do know however that behind the Stretford end is undeveloped and the offices and restaurants currently in the main stand could be moved whilst any rebuild is going on.

When they did the north stand, the whole lot was demolished 1st, this would cause Utd a loss of revenue if the same was to happen to the main stand. I can't see this happening.

Hopefully they can build another tier (or 2) on the main stand and cantilever it over the existing structure.

To get over 100,000 it would need to be 5,000 seats bigger than the north stand....which is already the largest by far in the UK (bigger than Wembley or twickers)... so not sure how likely that all is!

Still if we keep selling out every league game only a fool would not look to expand...we should have the largest stadium in Europe it is our destiny!

I don't think it is possible to do the other two corners before the main stand (railway) because the roof of the main stand would prevent any sight lines.

I do know however that behind the Stretford end is undeveloped and the offices and restaurants currently in the main stand could be moved whilst any rebuild is going on.

When they did the north stand, the whole lot was demolished 1st, this would cause Utd a loss of revenue if the same was to happen to the main stand. I can't see this happening.

Hopefully they can build another tier (or 2) on the main stand and cantilever it over the existing structure.

To get over 100,000 it would need to be 5,000 seats bigger than the north stand....which is already the largest by far in the UK (bigger than Wembley or twickers)... so not sure how likely that all is!

Still if we keep selling out every league game only a fool would not look to expand...we should have the largest stadium in Europe it is our destiny!
It is possible. If they did the corners the South Stand Roof would just have to be modified. They could get rid of the whole lot. 1. All the corners we're filled so no massive loss of revenue. 2. Started work before the end of the season and had some seats back open before the new year.

At The St Helens V Hull Super League Final...

Early
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Late
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I was at this game up in the topleft corner and the view was crap - I was looking at the underside of the freakin' roof! The new corners are botched and spoil the design. Gimme the Millenium anyday.

You're such a bundle of fucking joy Chris, you really are, sunshine of the forum, miserable git! You do nothing but moan.

Shitty forum. See post below.

He's right though. Surely the money-grabbing fuckers could have the foresight to get the gradients etc on the new stands to match up so the corners could one day be filled? It's hardly fucking rocket science, is it?

and instead of trying to marry up the sections they should have gone with steeper gradient which would have created a wall section where it met up with the lower gradient..

it would have looked much neater than what they have done and would have give the quadrants a slightly greater capacity..

He's right though. Surely the money-grabbing fuckers could have the foresight to get the gradients etc on the new stands to match up so the corners could one day be filled? It's hardly fucking rocket science, is it?

Yes, it's a fuckup aesthetically, but I would guess that the architects either had their reasons or were totally fucking clueless.

The roof slopes for a reason though, and you can see it when high up in any of the stands.

Thanks to Red Flag Flying from RedCafe for letting me post these


OT Front

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Munich Clock

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Megastore

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North Stand (From South Stand)

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Stretford End (From South Stand)

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K Stand (From South Stand)

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Stadium (from Stretford End)

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Match Photo's

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Match Photo's (From Stretford End)

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United vs Fulham (From K-Stand)

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United vs Reading (From Stretford End)

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Aaaargh! The new quadrants are so ugly!

Fucking hell, are you guys still going on about how ugly it is. We all know its abit crap but it doesn't matter because most of you will never even enter the ground even through a museum tour.

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Why are there passenger trains going past?

Who did that?

Phoney IMO!

Why are there passenger trains going past?
i thought it was just passenger trains...oops..ill have to find some freight trains.

So you did this?

It's excellent work to be honest, but it's a bit naughty isn't it?

Nice pics Mo Rush. Old Trafford would look amazing if they could finish it off to look like that. However with the problems already mentioned it probably never will.

Why are there passenger trains going past?

:lol: He did all that work and that's the first comment he gets.

From your rendering to old Glazer's ears, Mo Rush.

Absolutely superb job. Hope you don't mind that I've nicked one of your pics for my screensaver. :)

If only the quadrants looked that good! The roof sloping inwards doesn't make the stadium seem as impressive though. But great work whoever did those models :)

If only the quadrants looked that good!

have you seen FIFA 07 ?? the quadrants look well good on there:lol:

Old Trafford at half time yesterday http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/andysimo123/DSC00206.jpg

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It looks quite smart from the outside :)

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problem is if they do build that, what would happen to the water on the roof if it rained?

problem is if they do build that, what would happen to the water on the roof if it rained?

Why? It will probably go to the same place it goes to at the moment!

Why? It will probably go to the same place it goes to at the moment!

Not at all. I brought this point up yonks ago. At the moment, the water drains towards the pitch on the three high roofs and along the eaves to the main (lower stand) roof where it drains towards the railway side of the roof. If the main stad were to have the same roof profile as the other three stands then you would need a pumped syphonic drainage system or downspouts from the pitch-side eaves gutters. You cant push shit uphill easily.

Not at all. I brought this point up yonks ago. At the moment, the water drains towards the pitch on the three high roofs and along the eaves to the main (lower stand) roof where it drains towards the railway side of the roof. If the main stad were to have the same roof profile as the other three stands then you would need a pumped syphonic drainage system or downspouts from the pitch-side eaves gutters. You cant push shit uphill easily.

What do Arsenal do?

Not at all. I brought this point up yonks ago. At the moment, the water drains towards the pitch on the three high roofs and along the eaves to the main (lower stand) roof where it drains towards the railway side of the roof. If the main stad were to have the same roof profile as the other three stands then you would need a pumped syphonic drainage system or downspouts from the pitch-side eaves gutters. You cant push shit uphill easily.


Wouldn't really worry - we don't get much rain in Manchester :lol:

It's called a fucking pump! :ohno:

You cant push shit uphill easily.

And you're an engineer, a real one, not a software one like me? How does the top floor of a skyscraper get running water? :bash:

^^^^ late night weastie? Read the post again and this time I'll bold it for you:


Not at all. I brought this point up yonks ago. At the moment, the water drains towards the pitch on the three high roofs and along the eaves to the main (lower stand) roof where it drains towards the railway side of the roof. If the main stad were to have the same roof profile as the other three stands then you would need a pumped syphonic drainage system or downspouts from the pitch-side eaves gutters. You cant push shit uphill easily.

Bear in mind a 50 year storm hitting a roof area in the region of 30,000sqm and you are talking of a pump that would have saved the titanic.

... people are moaning about how "ugly" the quadrants are, especially given the past incarnations of Old Trafford. I guess noone remembers how god forsakenly ugly the Stretford End used to be nor how annoying the vertical supports holding up the asbestos roof were - but once you were in there packed in the paddock like cattle noone gave a toss. A few beers, pie and chips, watch the match and back home intime for Only Fools and Horses. Grand...

Maybe noone remembers the times when the wind blew from the Scoreboard End and the rain falling off the stretty roof when the drains were clogged, which was quite often in Feb, was akin to standing under a constant barrage of buckets of water. Hyper conveluted upwards water drainage pumping thingy.... Humbug I say! Young whippersnappers.

Maybe someone should start a post entitled "The ugliest football stadia we loved as kids" and I'd nominate Old Trafford and Burden Park straight off the bat.

Oh... and since it's my first post here I guess I better say "Hi!". :nuts:

Welcome Swampy, good post!

My first visit to OT was in '82 and my memories of that night ain't too far from how you explained them!

I wish people would take the modern stadiums for what they are, the good, the bad and the ugly. I can't think of one stadium in the World which everybody loves, including the new Wembley which cost about eight times what OT has so far! So people...MOVE ON.

Anyway, I may now live in little old New Zealand, but the England games about to start. So I'm off.

Apparently on Sky Sports News yesterday, there was a report that there are plans in place to expand the South Stand??? Anyone know anything about this?

God I cannot wait till I can fulfill one of my life's dreams and make a pilgrimage to Old Trafford. I'm going to make if for a Man U game one day.

if someone knows the actual height then please say so!

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=2816

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/2816OldTrafford_pic9.jpg

Google says 200 feet or 60-61 meters.

Got two pics last night to test out my new phone.

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Not bad but as you can see a tripod is really needed.

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A statue of three Manchester United legends has been unveiled outside the club's Old Trafford ground.

The artwork depicts United's "Holy Trinity" of Sir Bobby Charlton, George Best and Denis Law.

The ceremony took place 40 years to the day after the club lifted the European Cup for the first time.

The statue is the work of West Sussex-based sculptor Philip Jackson and stands opposite the one of Sir Matt Busby at the front of the stadium.

Charlton, Best and Law scored 665 goals between them for Manchester United and, between 1964 and 1968, all won the coveted European Footballer of the Year award.

United have now won the European Cup three times in total, having defeated Chelsea on penalties in last week's Champions League final in Moscow.

Charlton was overtaken as the club's leading appearance maker when Ryan Giggs came on as a substitute in the final - his 759th game for United.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/graphics/2008/05/29/trinity.jpg
'Letting on' to Sir Matt Busby

What a brilliant statue ,,, it looks fantastic .

This might be moving back into the construction thread sooner than we think.

check the last two paragraphs
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/manutd/2463040/Manchester-United-abandon-Dimitar-Berbatov-bid-because-of-Tottenham-demands.html

Some I took yesterday...
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That's a great statue .

Got to worry for Fergie...sounds daft when we are second but...he has spent more than anyone bar Chelsea and Real Madrid and we have some appalling players, out of position, not working hard enough, not doing the basics at free-kicks etc...if applications for tickets are down then coupled with the terrible football then the Glazers may go for a new face?

Seems the team are stale, it is a miracle (praise for Fergie for coping with his own terrible signings?!?) that with this squad we are where we are.

no doubt people will miss the point and tell me how wonderful fergie is....same old answer, when were the reds last playing with a team that got you excited going to the match....3+ years ago now?

Ye of little faith!

What you reckon now Fly, think Fergie is still crap?

Anyway 'on topic' see Gill in an interview after the glorious night of 21/05/2008 "we're looking into the possibility of increasing capacity at OT up to 82,000 by filling in the corner's of the South Stand, we are consistantly rejecting thousands of ticket app's so it would make sense to look at this increase".

Ye of little faith!

What you reckon now Fly, think Fergie is still crap?

Anyway 'on topic' see Gill in an interview after the glorious night of 21/05/2008 "we're looking into the possibility of increasing capacity at OT up to 82,000 by filling in the corner's of the South Stand, we are consistantly rejecting thousands of ticket app's so it would make sense to look at this increase".


Well actually.

2 Euro finals in 14 years of trying as opposed to 2 in 4 for Liverpool (with another semi appearance) means that you can question Fergie.

We have not bought a single player after winning the European Cup.

Pig headedness in sticking with Fletcher/O'shea 2 years on!

Playing Campbell on Saturday when the guy is frankly never going to make it (too small, not fast enough, not confident enough).

Fergie is a great manager. Does not mean that we could not have been better in the right circumstances.

Maybe we would have had a couple more managers but an extra Euro cup or 2 during the last 10 years. Do you think we have performed in the big cup since 1999 or not. I don't.

Still, prefer to whinge under current circumstances. Just a tad concerned with the lack of transfer market movement and what it says about us? Keeping Ronaldo? Toss him out, blimey Jaap Stam got fired for writing a book, what about this boy's flirting with Real?

I suspect our lack of activity in the transfer market (along with the srange sale of players liek tweaty) suggests finances are ery tight in Glazerland.

I suspect credit crunch is about to bite and we may feel it much worse than others.

I don't blame Fergie for not signing any players, I doubt he has any money, I blame Fergie for not standing up to the Glazers - he could have stopped the take over by speaking out against them -he has enough power.

Possible.

However, we are about to make £100m profit this season on a debt of £700m.

If you were to lump that off the debt, most banks would consider you a safe bet...compare with the average mortgage debt and amount repaid....if we did do that...if we don't buy any players.....if we don't extend the ground!

Anyway, for three seasons (2006 time) we did not buy enough quality players and only Fergie can be blamed for that. Why he did that I do not know. When Carlos returned we won again and bought some decent players. Carlos has left and no one arrives. Make of that what you will!

We DID not make £100m profit last season.

Look at Red Football's 'profits' (loses).

When you take into account the loses from loan payments we are in serious shit.

And that is in a VERY successful season

For crying out loud fly....no pleasing some people....you obviously were'nt supporting us when we were f****** average in the 80s. What has Wenger done in Europe in 12 years at Arse? Chelsea have in the last 4 years spent more than any club in history (and some) on players and we've done em over the last 2 seasons, NOTHING SHORT OF FANTASTIC. We've won as many European cups as Real Madrid since 68. I don't know what on earth you expect, world domination maybe? why don't u go and support Citeh if u really want a reason to be pissed off with your team? Satisfied LMTB and ST holder 22 yrs....

£100m for this season will be reported, from winning the Euro and League.


Re supporting United, since the 1970's if you would like to know:


I like Fergie's success but the style of play is more important than winning.

That is what United are about.

Are you the jonny come lately who thinks success is all?

For crying out loud fly....no pleasing some people....you obviously were'nt supporting us when we were f****** average in the 80s. What has Wenger done in Europe in 12 years at Arse? Chelsea have in the last 4 years spent more than any club in history (and some) on players and we've done em over the last 2 seasons, NOTHING SHORT OF FANTASTIC. We've won as many European cups as Real Madrid since 68. I don't know what on earth you expect, world domination maybe? why don't u go and support Citeh if u really want a reason to be pissed off with your team? Satisfied LMTB and ST holder 22 yrs....

There's one thing guaranteed at City, and that's a seat. If your ever feeling suicidal Fly come down to COMS. Before the end of the game you won't be alive anymore. :lol:

"Come on City!" "Come on City!" :)

£100m for this season will be reported, from winning the Euro and League.


Re supporting United, since the 1970's if you would like to know:


I like Fergie's success but the style of play is more important than winning.

That is what United are about.

Are you the jonny come lately who thinks success is all?

You obviously have'nt read my post, re: 22 years LMTB/ST holder, so given the waiting time on LMTB's at that time do you think I started going in 86? We played great stuff under Docherty and at times we were pretty under Atkinson, The club is a business and always has been, therefore being geared to success has to be a priority, The scousers did'nt play much pretty stuff in the 80s they just wanted results and trophies, they loved rubbing our noses in it based on success not playing pretty. Fergie has produced teams that have done both and that suits most of us, having a manager who has delivered 10 titles in defiiance to that lot down the east lanc's means more 'to most' reds than anything...and paradoxically means more to the Scousers than anything. They will love it when Fergie retires..and so will you by the sound of it...

Some I took yesterday...

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Fucking awesome photo andy!!!

They will love it when Fergie retires..and so will you by the sound of it...

No.

It's just we do not live in Stalin's USSR watching Fergie at United.

For over 3 years Fergie persisted with players like Fletcher/O'Shea/Richardson/Djemba in midfield. This was frankly a disgrace to a club purporting to be of the two largest in the world.

Guess what, we failed to even play in the UEFA cup, finishing bottom of our champions league qualifying group.

Why he signed some unbeleivably bad players, perhaps only Panorama can answer. Suffice it to say, since his agent son and the Coolmore boys swung in to town, transfer policy has been on a more sound basis.

Merely an observation, made by many during this period.

Happily we are back on track again.

Unless you count the team put out against Newcastle last weekend.

Don't get so tetchy, it's all about opinions and I thought Fergie (as did many) lost the plot for about 3 years. Perhaps he has regained focus and stopped his horse racing, red wine drinking phase until he truly retires.

18?
4?

Please!

No.

It's just we do not live in Stalin's USSR watching Fergie at United.

For over 3 years Fergie persisted with players like Fletcher/O'Shea/Richardson/Djemba in midfield. This was frankly a disgrace to a club purporting to be of the two largest in the world.

Guess what, we failed to even play in the UEFA cup, finishing bottom of our champions league qualifying group.

Why he signed some unbeleivably bad players, perhaps only Panorama can answer. Suffice it to say, since his agent son and the Coolmore boys swung in to town, transfer policy has been on a more sound basis.

Merely an observation, made by many during this period.

Happily we are back on track again.

Unless you count the team put out against Newcastle last weekend.

Don't get so tetchy, it's all about opinions and I thought Fergie (as did many) lost the plot for about 3 years. Perhaps he has regained focus and stopped his horse racing, red wine drinking phase until he truly retires.

18?
4?

Please!

I have every right to become tetchy when called a 'jonny come lately', We only had one poor season if you factor in the Chelsea effect (by far the richest club in the world) and based in London where it is easier to attract top players. Fergie has bought some poor players but so have 'all' the great managers..its called being human. We finished 2nd in 06 with a record equalling 83 pts, you can't expect us to win it every year given the record investment made in the competition.

I have to say fly you do come across as very anti United's success, you don't seen to appreciate the modern history of the club, you only pick on the negative, I find it staggering that any true 'supporter' of our club would only pick on the negative given 10 titles in 16 yrs, 3 Euro trophies, 5 FA Cups etc etc. Yes it is becomming to expensive to go to OT (Anfield is even more now i believe?) but that is player wage competition..look at what Chelsea are paying Lampard!!!

I've had my say and I will continue to enjoy watching the European and Premiership champions because this great part of our history ain't gonna last for ever.

you obviously were'nt supporting us when we were f****** average in the 80s

Was your quote about me, to which I replied, to receive the next missive:

I have every right to become tetchy when called a 'jonny come lately'

Selective memory there chief.

Anyway, perhaps the lack of headline transfer activity (as opposed to paying the next installments on Hargreaves/Nani/Anderson/Tevez) means we are stock piling for the stadium. With Gill and Fergie making noises I would expect an announcement this season for work to start....82,000 (and 2nd biggest in Europe) has a nice ring to it!

Pretty amazing building

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away. utd 5, wigan 0 :cheers:

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I have some tasty pics of OT. How do I post them? I don't seem to have the permissions to attach. Help?

Hi ABrowne.

Go here www.tinypic.com

Upload the pics individually

Copy the '[img] code' and just paste it in here.

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A more distant (fuller) view of OT
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Cold Play about to kick off at the other OT!
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Manchester United buys Segro assets

Segro has sold two industrial assets and a parcel of land from its Trafford Park portfolio to Manchester United for £8.2m.

The deal includes a one acre parcel of land opposite the stadium; 3 Warfside, a 177,000 sq ft shed leased to logistics company AKW Group; and Canalside, an industrial estate comprising seven units totalling 58,700 sq ft.

Trafford Park became part of Segro’s UK portfolio following its acquisition of Brixton in 2009. It includes 17 assets, covering 1.9 million sq ft of industrial space.

David Bridges, national markets business director at Segro, said: “The sale has been beneficial to both parties – for Segro the disposal of these relatively small individual units allows us to concentrate on retained assets at Trafford Park, whilst giving Manchester United greater access to more property and land around its stadium.”

CBRE advised Segro and DTZ advised Manchester United.

http://www.propertyweek.com/news/manchester-united-buys-segro-assets/5025915.article

More car parking space?

More car parking space?

they bought the freight terminal a few years back as well. simply securing their borders or is there some sort of long term plan for the surrounding area?

they bought the freight terminal a few years back as well. simply securing their borders or is there some sort of long term plan for the surrounding area?

The freight terminal was meant to secure the boarders but did they buy the freight terminal or was it just the lease? If you looked this same map back in the mid 1990s, nearly everywhere behind the Stretford End was warehouses. Hardly any car parks existed. Many of the larger car parks to the back have been developed within the last few years. I remember when the Megastore was an old warehouse much must have been where the back the Streford End is now.

Anyway I did a quick map. United also own stadium point which is just the North in this image. The three black areas in the North are what United have bought and the freight terminal is also in Black. Someone thought on another forum they'd bought that big warehouse just across the road where those seven units are. Thats wrong, it's the massive one on Trafford Park Road. United own an awful lot of land now, I reckon they own the most of any Premier League club and likely by some way.

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The freight terminal was meant to secure the boarders but did they buy the freight terminal or was it just the lease? If you looked this same map back in the mid 1990s, nearly everywhere behind the Stretford End was warehouses. Hardly any car parks existed. Many of the larger car parks to the back have been developed within the last few years. I remember when the Megastore was an old warehouse much must have been where the back the Streford End is now.

Anyway I did a quick map. United also own stadium point which is just the North in this image. The three black areas in the North are what United have bought and the freight terminal is also in Black. Someone thought on another forum they'd bought that big warehouse just across the road where those seven units are. Thats wrong, it's the massive one on Trafford Park Road. United own an awful lot of land now, I reckon they own the most of any Premier League club and likely by some way.

it was the land on which the freight terminal is built and i guess also the lease for occupying that land. the terminal will belong to either network rail or EWS or someone similar i would have thought. the patches they have bought recently probably will be for car parking. they dont look big enough for anything else.

the port salford development may eventually lead the closure of the trafford park world freight terminal. this would also aid the castlefield junction section of the northern hub so may be encouraged by central government.

if so, that is a very big site to do something with. more surface parking or maybe a chelsea village style development?

Don't the club also own the majority of the houses on Railway Road that are directly behind the stadium?

Don't the club also own the majority of the houses on Railway Road that are directly behind the stadium?

i dont think that is true. i work with someone who lives on railway road and i asked him whether it was true. he said he didnt know of anyone who was living in a house that united own.

i think the footprint of any potential south stand development has been overstated by internet rumour mongering over the years. because of all the administration/office space behind the back of the south stand, it looks possible to build something similar to the north stand without having to build some huge structure over the railway line and demolish half of railway road. all the would be required is an access bridge, which would fit nicely into the space that has already been cleared by the two houses that have already been demolished.

still that isnt going to happen as long as ticket prices remain as high as they currently are as the demand isnt there.

I posted this in 2009 on the Old Trafford thread in Culture and Sporting Venues. The evidence says someone is interested in knocking a number of the houses down. It fuels speculation on development but if United didn't knock them down who did?

To me it just means another 20,000 deaf voices but instead of working I've been looking at satellite images and thinking about other developments. This hasn't been noticed till now and one of the main problems everyone talks about is do United own the houses on the otherside of the tracks. I reckon they do and this supports it.

Anyway heres one from 2000.....
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11 houses.

Heres one from before the new quads where built 2000-2004...
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10 houses.

Heres one from 2006-2009.....
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9 houses.

There could infact be more missing(not been down and checked) but you can clearly see the new entrance to the new upper tiers forming.

I posted this in 2009 on the Old Trafford thread in Culture and Sporting Venues. The evidence says someone is interested in knocking a number of the houses down. It fuels speculation on development but if United didn't knock them down who did?

i think there probably was a plan 5-10 years ago to begin preparing for the south stand extension. this idea even survived into the glazer era as late as 2009, but was dropped in the face of falling attendences. not really much point in building another 20,000 seats if the current capacity is regularly no longer being reached.

still if things change in the future at least the door has been left open for it.

Heres another quick map. Drove down Trafford Park Road today and noticed the area highlighted in black with a number one has been totally cleared. Has the same black fences United use around the other car parks with signs for a demolition company all over the fencing. I've not seen it but the second highlighted area with a two which is around the freight terminal from the satellite image also seems to have been cleared. Is that already car parking space? Is the next step to buy the other units and warehouses on the other side of John Gilbert way?

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Heres another quick map. Drove down Trafford Park Road today and noticed the area highlighted in black with a number one has been totally cleared. Has the same black fences United use around the other car parks with signs for a demolition company all over the fencing. I've not seen it but the second highlighted area with a two which is around the freight terminal from the satellite image also seems to have been cleared. Is that already car parking space? Is the next step to buy the other units and warehouses on the other side of John Gilbert way?

seems unlike the glazers to be thinking about the fans by spending money on adding more car parking spaces. what are they up to?

seems unlike the glazers to be thinking about the fans by spending money on adding more car parking spaces. what are they up to?

Do they not charge for said spaces?

Do they not charge for said spaces?

probably actually. with the cost of land though, would it not take them so long to repay the initial outlay that it wouldnt be worth their while to do it if that was their only reason?