Well, went along to the Granary Wharf Pannier Market today and took a few photos. Overall I thought it was ok, especially considering it was the first time it's been held. There were a good amount of people down there having a browse and although there could have been more I'm sure as word spreads things will get better. The weather certainly couldn't have been much better for it. Was interesting to see that some of the empty units in the main square had been opened up to house a few stalls too.

However, I was a bit disappointed by the range of stalls down there and certainly had hoped for more in the way of food. There was a chocolate and cake stall, as well as a cheese stall (where I bought some tasty scotch bonnet cheese) but that was about it... I really was expecting bread, olive oil, olives, chillies, chutneys and maybe some speciality meats, but alas there was not - hopefully these types of stall will appear in the coming months. Other than that there was just a lot of small vintage clothes and jewellery stalls. All the same, there was a nice buzz down there.

Here are a few photos of the event and one or two others from today...

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I think if the market at Granary Wharf was like Borough Market in London it would be a huge success. Kirkgate Market is the sort of place you go to pick up your weekly supply of veg.

Granary Wharf could be a place you could go to to try out different types of food and buy the sort of things that Oyster suggested as well as cooked food such as steak sandwiches and chicken etc.

http://www.boroughmarket.org.uk/

Why don't they have the continental food market there, the one that is/or use to be in the outdoor market once a month. I went there a couple of years a go and it was shoehorned into a small space away from the other market stalls. Which seemed a bit unfair as they were struggling to get customers away from the main area.

Looks like the pie man has visited The Hop and they now do food (if you want a pie anyway).

I think they should have a big opening like Clarence Dock, word of mouth is a slow way of spreading info, everyone knows about Clarence dock. Even if Granary doesn't work out at least everyone will know about it.

Looks like a good start. Should grow from that original event.

They were handing out flyers about the market across Leeds on Friday, but didn't see them doing the same on Saturday. The only advertising I saw yesterday was signs under the arches and near the Hilton.

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Isn't this on Briggate?

Isn't this on Briggate?

Well, Lands Lane - I said one or two others from the day, not just granary wharf...

Well, Lands Lane - I said one or two others from the day, not just granary wharf...

Oh yeah, didn't notice that. What was all that song and dance about then? Usual street entertainment? Nice that Granary Wharf is already getting the attention and use it deserves.

Don't know if this is on another thread, but what's the feeling about the Lights under the Dark Arches on Neville Street. I was disappointed with the look and the lighting, but most of the time though I'm going by during the day. At that time it is really underwhelming and they might as well not have any. The only time I have been there in darkness I was impressed by the amount of light thrown out, so what you think depends on the time of day I guess. I wonder how much it all cost ?

I generally quite like it, but I would prefer if the LEDs moved rather than being static. It wouldn't take much for that to happen, but I suppose that wasn't the artist's intention.

^^ It would distract people driving along Neville Street as well I would imagine but I agree I think it would look brilliant if they moved. I still hate the lights that illuminate the pavement though. They look rubbish.

Could they not have installed spot lights on the roof of the tunnel? Is the old section of the bridge listed or something?

I generally quite like it, but I would prefer if the LEDs moved rather than being static. It wouldn't take much for that to happen, but I suppose that wasn't the artist's intention.

Ah, so it is an Art installation rather than a way of lighting a dark gloomy part of the city centre.
I didn't even know that the lights moved in a pattern until I saw the Leeds video thread.

^^ It would distract people driving along Neville Street

Well it would to an extent, but then can this not be said of every billboard, every sign and every screen? I mean it's hardly Piccadilly Circus.

The are indeed proposals to create a route from outside Princes Exchange down to the river and trhough the arches to bring people out at Granary Wharf. I don't know how serious they are but I have seen renders of how the whole thing could look.

That would be fantastic. How did the plans work? Where was the access point to the tunnels? Are the plans publicly accessible, or would you be able to show us?

http://www.granarywharf.co.uk/Events/2010/July/3/The-Granary-Wharf-Big-Picnic.aspx

Saturday 3 July
The Granary Wharf Big Picnic

If you don’t fancy dangling your toes in the river, we have plenty of seats at our tables laid out on the piazza where you can enjoy a picnic brought from home or one chosen from the range of delicious food available on the day.

Granary Wharf Big Picnic will see the launch of a bespoke new picnic box, available throughout the summer from some of the best independent food outlets in the area. So, if you don’t own a wicker hamper and gingham table cloth, individual picnic boxes also are available for you to fill from selected outlets.

Thanks for that no1, good job you have the finger on the pulse.

That would be fantastic. How did the plans work? Where was the access point to the tunnels? Are the plans publicly accessible, or would you be able to show us?


Sorry, Coco, I cannot remember where I saw the renders. I do recall, though, that the proposals were fairly well developed, as in accompanied by a number of accessibility drawings to show how people would access various parts of the the station environs.

^^

http://www.leedsrisingcity.org/#/film/

How serious was the fire at Granary Wharf?: http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Leeds-apartments-evacuated-after-blaze.6267650.jp

Leeds apartments evacuated after blaze

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Some of Leeds's newest apartments were evacuated after a fire broke out in the basement.

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Some of Leeds's newest apartments were evacuated after a fire broke out in the basement.
The blaze started in a builder's workshop beneath the cylindrical Candle House, in Granary Wharf, at 10.20am yesterday.

Fire crews took just over an hour to tackle the blaze.The cause is being investigated.

No-one was injured in the incident.

Hi all,

I was staying on the 10th floor of the City Inn hotel opposite Candle house on the morning of the fire.

I noticed a small fire in the workshop under the apartments from my room. There was an explosion shortly after which caused the fire to spread and grab hold. I’m assuming the explosion was a canister igniting with the heat.

After ringing fire brigade and also reception to let them know, hotel staff could be seen running to the apartments with extinguishers. They however couldn’t get access to the workshop as im assuming it is locked when no work is being carried out.

I couldn’t hear any alarms going off in the apartments which was worrying as the fire was getting serious. To make things worse the hotel staff also couldn’t gain access to the apartments! And residents only started leaving the building when people started to shout from below warning them.

The fire brigade turned up very quickly and gained access to the workshop not long after. This must have been using bruit force or bolt cutters. The fire was under control within minutes and they were also inside the apartments at this point too.

This could have been very serious as the fire was next to the residents exit. I hope there is another exit the other side of the tower! Luckily no one was hurt and I just hope that the access issues have been looked into and rectified.

Video below…

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^ that video's scary, lucky no one was injured tbh, it looks like a pretty big fire. Fires in skyscrapers are so dangerous - it will be looked into straight away.

^ that video's scary, lucky no one was injured tbh, it looks like a pretty big fire. Fires in skyscrapers are so dangerous - it will be looked into straight away.

The camera couldn't pick it up as there is no zoom but there were large flames all under the tower. I had noticed the night before there were people smoking on the balcony a couple of floors higher. It would be so easy for the ash or cig to be blown back under the building. If they are storing flammable material under there they need to have full floor to ceiling hoardings in place, and not the half height / netting thats in place at the moment around the site.

Do you know if the building is 100% completed or is the workshop still being used by builders? I doubt they'd leave flammable material around if the building was completed, but if the builders were still finishing off the basement then question marks have to be raised over the fire strategy planning and of course the decision to allow residents to move in when some of the building is still a construction site.

I know there's a forumer who posts on this website who lives in the tower, it would be interesting to know their take on it.

Yeah i would be very interested to hear their view on it.

I don't know much about this project in particular. But as far as I can see the ground floors have been left as retail space of some sort, along with the ground floors of the other apartments on the other side of the hotel and also Blue. By the looks of it they are still being kitted out in preparation for some one moving into the space.

The fire was caused by someone breaking into the currently vacant retail space at the bottom of the building - essentially vandalism. The most serious damage was the melting of a waste water pipe which prevented the residents from using their toilets/sinks/showers for a few hours.

The reason no alarms were sounding is because they are silent - the fire service were informed but residents were not. The reason for this is to prevent lots of fire doors being opened and people rushing around the builiding in a panic. A fireman explained that the safest place to be in the builiding is in your apartment behind - ultimately - numerous fire doors.

I live at candle house and didn't realise there was a fire until the gas went off and I couldn't get a shower. The lifts were also shut down. The builidng definitely wasn't evacuated tho. If I hadn't of being heading out to Ikea I probably wouldn't have realised until the letting agent called!

I live at candle house and didn't realise there was a fire until the gas went off and I couldn't get a shower.

I'm almost certain that you wont have a gas supply there in your apartment, for obvious reason and something that's not done nowadays !

I'm almost certain that you wont have a gas supply there in your apartment, for obvious reason and something that's not done nowadays !

the gas is piped into a central boiler that heats the water for the whole builiding - its not piped up to the individual flats.

the gas is piped into a central boiler that heats the water for the whole builiding - its not piped up to the individual flats. Ah ok !, Sorry Freddy I misunderstood you,... I live at Bridgewater Place, where we all have our individual heaters and boilers electric of course ! :)

Ah ok !, Sorry Freddy I misunderstood you,... I live at Bridgewater Place, where we all have our individual heaters and boilers electric of course ! :)

its apparently the most efficient and economic method of getting hot water appparently - we pay for 'therms', the amount of heat energy we actually use. Although I have no idea who I pay......

its apparently the most efficient and economic method of getting hot water appparently - we pay for 'therms', the amount of heat energy we actually use.

I thought therms weren't a legal unit of measurement any more - don't you mean kilojoules?

Work is going on to fit out the units at the base of Waterman's Place. If you're standing near the Hop looking through the gap towards the bridge, a(n independent) coffee shop is taking the small left hand corner unit while a 'restaurant concept' is taking the whole of the ground floor in the right hand unit.

The independent coffee shop is Out of the Woods which is based at Holbeck Urban Village.

The independent coffee shop is Out of the Woods which is based at Holbeck Urban Village.

Ah nice, here is its website http://www.outofthewoods.me.uk/

there will also be an independant vintage clothing store and the restaurant will have an argentinian theme with steak cooked on heated stone

Do people still eat plenty of steak in these health conscious times ? It would have been nice to have a restaurant selling local organic fresh produce, with plenty of vegetarian options.

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Do people still eat plenty of steak in these health conscious times ? It would have been nice to have a restaurant selling local organic fresh produce, with plenty of vegetarian options.

Well, the restaurant could be selling organic locally-raised beef from, for example, Swillington Farm on the edge of Leeds.

Anyway, it's good news that these two outfits are opening here. I wonder if Out of the Woods (which does lovely coffee and food, by the way) will be moving from its current premises on the corner of Water Lane and Marshall Street.

No, they are keeping both coffee shops going, they were thinking about calling the new one Out of The Woods 2. I have heard they have great deals on the retail units with up to 3 years rent free. By the way Out of the Woods is a great Tracy Thorn album, she has a new album out now/soon.

I still eat steak!

Yes, nothing wrong with that. Just thought with it being G.W they might have attracted something a little bit different.

Do people still eat plenty of steak in these health conscious times ?

Hell yes, nothing better than a nice medium rare sirloin :drool:

Anybody know if the new coffee shop Out of the Woods is open yet ? or is likely to be open next week ? thanks

I popped down to GW on Friday and they hadn't started fitting the unit out yet so I presume it will be closer to 4 weeks before the coffee shop opens.

Thanks, it was just sombody posted earlier that it was being fitted out.

June 12th 10am -4-00pm The Big Knit [ free admission ]

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/localnews/New-venue-for-festival-on.6317342.jp
New venue for festival on waterfront

25 May 2010
Fiona Evans

Granary Wharf has been secured as a new venue for the third annual Leeds Waterfront Festival.

The latest addition sits at the point where the River Aire meets the Leeds and Liverpool Canal.

Visitors will be able to enjoy events at Granary Wharf including visiting the Ministry of Chocolate, cookery demonstrations by Wasabi and City Inn chefs and live music from the Hop.

Rachel Clunas, Aire Action Leeds project officer, said: "The Waterfront Festival is growing and it's great to have another venue, it's another place to showcase the waterfront here in Leeds.

"Granary Wharf is another jewel in the crown along with Brewery Wharf, Clarence Dock and Thwaite Mills. There is something for everyone and people will be able to come to the festival and make a real day of it."

Granary Wharf is just one of many venues taking part in the festival which will be held on July 17 and 18.

Other highlights include live jazz and an urban market at Brewery Wharf, an arts market and acrobatic aerial display at Clarence Dock and family fun at Thwaite Mills as well as decorated canal boats and historic boats.

The second Pannier Market at Granary Wharf is on Saturday 29 May 10am-4pm.

There are 55 stalls, a third more than last time - a stronger selection, some of the best couldn't start last month - loads of other enquiries had to be put on a waiting list - and a good range of food producers including:

- Sunshine Bakery – bread and pastries prepared by Chapel Allerton’s own Michelin star chef.
- Olley and Olley – gourmet sausages from Olley’s of Ripon ("I have to say they are Very Good" Rick Stein).
- Moorish - from Hyde Park, Leeds, providing their fine array of North African/Mediterranean food and drink.
- Calderdale Cheese – great award winning cheeses made on our doorstep
- La Bottega Milanese – coffee beans and grinds from the newest quality coffee purveyors in Leeds.
- Plus fresh in-season asparagus jams / pickles / cakes / handmade sweets made by a small independent who sells at Harvey Nicks etc at much higher prices.

As well as this, there are various events around the market this month
- Steve Faulkner, UK street entertainer of the year 2009: close-up magician wandering around the square
- Remade in Leeds, free workshops all day, remake old clothes as new items on the day with help from designer makers
- Urban Story Walks, a chance to hear Joe Collins survey the city from the roof of Candle House
- Roaming acoustic musicians
- River cruises from Granary Wharf to Brewery Wharf and Clarence Docks

Here's hoping for decent weather....

Sounds good UrbanAngel, went last time and will go Saturday, if the forcast holds up [ light rain ] More stalls than last time from your post which can only be good.

Just a quick point, Sunshine Bakery Michelin Chef, Michelin Chef where ? I'm assuming they don't give Michelin stars out for cafes.






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Just a quick point, Sunshine Bakery Michelin Chef, Michelin Chef where ? I'm assuming they don't give Michelin stars out for cafes.
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Michelin starred chefs are like Oscar Winning actors. They were awarded to the individual whilst working for a restaurant/acting in a particular film, and the prefix can be used when they move on to another restaurant, or act in another film, even though the moniker is no longer valid - doesn't mean the restaurant/film they're working in now is any good.

I'm aware of how the stars are awarded, what I not sure about as to why a Michelin chef would be working in a bakery and not at a top class restaurant.
Most Head Chefs Michelin or otherwise seem to regard pastries and cakes/baking as a little beneath them and leave it to a pastry chef. I guess the chef could still be working at a Michelin Star restaurant, and could be just overseeing the Sunshine Bakery, although I'm not aware of any Michelin star restaurants in Leeds.




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...although I'm not aware of any Michelin star restaurants in Leeds.

I guess Ilkley's Box Tree would be the nearest.

Michelin starred chefs are like Oscar Winning actors. They were awarded to the individual whilst working for a restaurant/acting in a particular film, and the prefix can be used when they move on to another restaurant, or act in another film, even though the moniker is no longer valid - doesn't mean the restaurant/film they're working in now is any good.

They're actually awarded to the restaurant rather than individual chefs, but seeing as they wear them like badges anyway, the Oscar analogy works. The Sunshine Bakery's proprieter worked in Marco Pierre White's kitchen, I presume that's where the Michelin association comes from. As a pastry chef, he might be able to lay some claim to helping earn the star/stars

I'm aware of how the stars are awarded

Clearly not, but just chalk it down to being an 'opinion'

I guess Ilkley's Box Tree would be the nearest.

Then the one at Bolton Abbey. Leeds has had a few one star restaurants in the past, but they've eventually lost them

I think we need UrbanAngle to post again as they seem to know about the workings of the Sunshine Bakery. I'm going on Saturday so will ask about the said chef

It seems to be stretching it to call yourself a Michelin Star Chef if that's what's been claimed, when you may or may not have worked in the same kitchen as M.P.W. at some stage.

Regarding the awarding of stars, I didn't post any information about how Michelin stars were awarded, so I don't know why Yeboah is having yet another crack at me. M.P.W. actually gave back his Michelin Stars a good few years back, although it's not certain whether it's actually possible to do so.





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Let’s not get distracted by my sensationalism! I’ve never heard anyone in the shop mention this Michelin star – just his customers. But yes he was MPW’s chef for many years in London and recently moved home to Leeds. It’s fair to say that his bread is significantly better than Warburton’s. His chilli choc brownies are incredible, his apricot turnovers superb etc. Everything he brought last month had sold out by 11am.




The above post is solely written to encourage you to attend the market and support local producer / makers :)

Thanks for clearing that up UrbanAngle, I think it's down to your very enthusiastic post. I'm also interested in the Rick Stein quote as well, I hope that's not sensationalized reporting as well.





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Thanks for clearing that up UrbanAngle, I think it's down to your very enthusiastic post. I'm also interested in the Rick Stein quote as well, I hope that's not sensationalized reporting as well.


Wholly accurate, StopGo. Legendary bangers these. evidential base (http://www.wholehogsausage.co.uk/sausages.htm)

But if you're a susage roll fan, try Sunshine's. Pure pork loin and perfect pastry.

Thanks for all the interest. I'll try to keep you updated here on a number of other events coming up at Granary Wharf over the coming few weeks.

Wholly accurate, StopGo. Legendary bangers these. evidential base (http://www.wholehogsausage.co.uk/sausages.htm)

But if you're a susage roll fan, try Sunshine's. Pure pork loin and perfect pastry.

Thanks for all the interest. I'll try to keep you updated here on a number of other events coming up at Granary Wharf over the coming few weeks.

Your a one man/woman band for Sunshine Bakery. I'm going on Saturday and hope you have not been telling porkies about this Michelin Star waffle, cos I'm going to ask when I get there.
I want to see the Granary Wharf website advertised more as well

Does the Michelin star really matter? No, of course it doesn't. What matters is the taste and quality of the food, and you don't need a star for that :)

Went this morning, but didn't see the Sunshine Bakery anywhere. The turnout was good considering the weather, with all the stalls making use of the empty shop units.





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Was planning to go down but was put off by the weather. Will go next month if it's not raining.

Is this going to be a seasonal market? It could do well as a Christmas and Easter market outside of the summer season.

It seemed to be well organised, it was helped by the empty units which were ideal to use with the bad weather. More stalls than last time, well sign posted with blue balloons tied to barriers leading down to the Dark Arches. If the weather had been like last weekend, then I think it would have done really well.






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Are there any plans for a big screen down here or at Clarence Dock for the World Cup? It seems an ideal opportunity for all riverside venues to capitalise upon. The capacity is of course limited to 8000 in Millennium Square, so I'm sure big screens elsewhere would be in great demand.

Went down the other monday and thought it looked great!! i very much liked the hop pub under the railway arches.

Pity the market wasn't on the Bank Holiday Monday.

Yes - I would have gone down if it was open on the Sunday too.

It seemed to be well organised, it was helped by the empty units which were ideal to use with the bad weather. More stalls than last time, well sign posted with blue balloons tied to barriers leading down to the Dark Arches. If the weather had been like last weekend, then I think it would have done really well.


Thanks for the support - the independent traders did well despite the rain! There was some sunshine but only the bakery variety - even they came late and left early - sold out! Great selection of stalls this month. Next pannier market is Saturday June 26. 50 stalls booked.

Next event up at Granary Wharf...

12 June 2010: 10am to 4pm: The Big Knit (http://www.baaramewe.co.uk/category/events)!

Celebrate Granary Wharf's pivotal role in the development of the Leeds woollen trade.

Knitting is undergoing a huge resurgence as it is discovered by a new generation. Yorkshire's main event for World Wide Knitting in Public Day is hosted by Granary Wharf.

Live sheep shearing exhibitions, yarn spinning, knitting & crocheting workshops and coaching, yarn sellers and stalls, live acoustic music.

Free knit packs sponsored by the brilliant Bah Ram Ewe woollen shop in Headingley.

No experience necessary. No need to bring anything - it's all provided!

Thanks for the support - the independent traders did well despite the rain! There was some sunshine but only the bakery variety - even they came late and left early - sold out! Great selection of stalls this month. Next pannier market is Saturday June 26. 50 stalls booked.

Hope Calderdale Cheese is there again, really enjoyed the cheese with parkin.

Sheep sheering today at Granary Wharf as part of "The Big Knit".

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Wow, great photos ! I had completely forgot it was on, was it well supported ?

Wow, great photos ! I had completely forgot it was on, was it well supported ?

Yes very well attended, her eare a few more pictures showing how busy the square was.

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How apt - Leeds and woll go back along way. Greta to See Granary Wharf in the sunshine and Buzzing.

As it happens I went to the bed race instead, but I'm glad to see Granary Wharf busy again!

Knitting was really popular at one time, my Mum always had the knitting going while watching T.V. I suppose it fell out of favour with people having less time on their hands, and cheap imports from the continent arriving in the shops. I don't suppose there are that many shops left that specialise in selling balls of wool anymore.

Incidently I seem to recall an old photo of Briggate that was posted on here, and bang in the middle of Briggate was quite a large shop that sold knitting wool.




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Football anyone?

Table football at Granary Wharf, all welcome (as long as you are 12 years or older!).

http://www.granarywharf.co.uk/Events/2010/June/26/Foosball-Tournament.aspx

I don't suppose there are that many shops left that specialise in selling balls of wool anymore.



A new one opened in Headingley last year called Baa Ram Ewe. Think it's doing quite well, always seems to be having knitting evenings there when I walk by.

Pity I'm at Glastonbury while the table footy tournament is on, as I'm actually unbeatable at it...

This Saturday 26 June sees the Granary Wharf Pannier Market return to warm sunny weather. 10am to 4pm.



65+ stalls. The biggest regular gathering of independent producer / makers in Leeds.



*Textiles, remade clothing, photography, objects d’art, jewellery, ceramics*



*Award winning independent sausages, breads, cheeses, pickles all made in God’s own county*



Plus Urban Stories from Joe Collins told from the top of Candle House – the best views available in the whole city! 230pm and 4pm. First 10 replies to paul.fallon@creativespaceman.com get a free ticket!



Granary Wharf is just south of Leeds Train Station, nestled twixt the River Aire, the Leeds Liverpool Canal and The Dark Arches. Satnav to: LS11 5PS.



Support local artists, artisans, and designer makers on the last Saturday of every month.



Thank you

Unfortunately, I miss out on the fun again - I'm always busy on Saturdays!

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Strong rumours, that August will be the last Pannier Market.

Strong rumours, that August will be the last Pannier Market.

No rumour, it's always been the plan:

http://www.granarywharf.co.uk/Events/2010/April/24/Granary-Wharf-Pannier-Market.aspx

The Granary Wharf Pannier Market dates for 2010 are the last Saturday of every month.: 24th April, 29th May, 26th June, 31st July, 28th August.

Strong rumours, that August will be the last Pannier Market.

I thought you didn't believe in rumours?

I thought you didn't believe in rumours?

This is where it gets complicated. I don't like it when rumours are dressed up as fact, this was the other way round it was a fact which I posted as a rumour. The reason being I heard it from a market stall holder via somebody else, I was more or less sure it was true [ which lazygamer confirmed ] but I had not heard about it first hand so I posted it as a rumour.

This is where it gets complicated. I don't like it when rumours are dressed up as fact, this was the other way round it was a fact which I posted as a rumour. The reason being I heard it from a market stall holder via somebody else, I was more or less sure it was true [ which lazygamer confirmed ] but I had not heard about it first hand so I posted it as a rumour.

So glad to have cleared that one up.

So glad to have cleared that one up.

When queried always give an explanation.
[ the second rule of Stopgo ]

When queried always give an explanation.
[ the second rule of Stopgo ]

Is the first rule not to speak of Stopgo?

Is the first rule not to speak of Stopgo?

Cheap shot. Not thought of a first rule yet, it was a bit too minor a point to get the first slot.

I'm annoyed with Aviator, for getting the LUFC thread title changed, well before the start of the season. Even more annoying is that Aviator as only posted once on there since the title change.

Cheap shot. Not thought of a first rule yet, it was a bit too minor a point to get the first slot.

I'm annoyed with Aviator, for getting the LUFC thread title changed, well before the start of the season. Even more annoying is that Aviator as only posted once on there since the title change.


1. Aviator did no such thing. If you bothered to read posts before you take a pot shot, you'd recall that I pointed out that the Leeds United thread was for the 2009/2010 season and that it might be reasonable to have a new thread for the new season. Alexi Lalas sensibly started a new thread but there's absolutely nothing to stop you posting on the old one if you're daft enough to want to.

2. Given that the new football season hasn't even begun, why would you expect me to be posting on the thread?

3. Since you've annoyed me now, let me point out that the correct spelling of the word I've put in bold in your post is "has". It's a fact children learn at a very early age but it's one which you consistently overlook in your posts.

Don't be so sensitive Aviator. Ofcourse I knew Alexi had started the new Thread Title I was there at the time, he did it on your request. Hence my remark about " Aviator getting the title changed " you can split hairs that you didn't post the new title, but Alexi acted on your request.

I thought you wanted to post something on the new Thread, else why would you ask for the title change.

I have admited in previous posts, my spelling, puncuation, and use of the English language is atrocious. This is due to only having a basic eduction, and problems with reading and writing over the course of my schooling. This is why I like using messageboards, it helps me practices my writing and spelling. It " as " been mentioned before on a number of occasions about how I use the word as/has, and it's only a matter of luck if I use it correctly. That being the case I use the word " as " the majority of the time, I'm always careful of using " has " having been told off for the wrong use of that word previous. I believe [ and somebody put me right if I'm wrong ] that " has " is used in the masculine way, therefore I didn't use " has " in the sentence you quote because I was uncertain if you were male or female.

Don't be so sensitive Aviator. Ofcourse I knew Alexi had started the new Thread Title I was there at the time, he did it on your request. Hence my remark about " Aviator getting the title changed " you can split hairs that you didn't post the new title, but Alexi acted on your request........

I think it's a bit rich you telling another forumer not to be so sensitive :bash:

If you don't want people to jump down your throat, then don't post snide little jibes.

Excuse me while I get this thread back on topic :)

Saturday 31st July is Pannier Market day! 10am-4pm. At Granary Wharf!

I'm away on holiday but am sorry to be missing this. There are even more independent producers than last month - now in the region of 70 - and a wider range again including more stalls selling olives, cured meats, savouries and things for you serious foodies. Alongside all the established eclectic mix of sellers of everything from Art to Zylophones.

Plus, thanks to ISIS sponsorship, a bigger and better budget for live music to entertain the browsing hordes.

Do join.

I think it's a bit rich you telling another forumer not to be so sensitive :bash:

If you don't want people to jump down your throat, then don't post snide little jibes.

How so, " don't post snide little jibes " need to explain me thinks. Everything in post 1591 is true and correct, if you disagree with the post then feel free to point out the errors. At the same time find a snide jibe in there as well.

I'm not bothered about people jumping down my throat [ Tony Yeboah as it down to a fine art ] but you need to consider that if I feel the need I will take action and defend myself.

GROW UP FOR FOOKS SAKE THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A DEVELOPMENT FORUM NOT A KINDERGARDEN FOR BABYS TO POKE FUN AT EACH OTHER.

GROW UP FOR FOOKS SAKE THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A DEVELOPMENT FORUM NOT A KINDERGARDEN FOR BABYS TO POKE FUN AT EACH OTHER.

As already posted if I want to put my point view to another member on any subject then I will.

Excuse me while I get this thread back on topic :)

Saturday 31st July is Pannier Market day! 10am-4pm. At Granary Wharf!

I'm away on holiday but am sorry to be missing this. There are even more independent producers than last month - now in the region of 70 - and a wider range again including more stalls selling olives, cured meats, savouries and things for you serious foodies. Alongside all the established eclectic mix of sellers of everything from Art to Zylophones.

Plus, thanks to ISIS sponsorship, a bigger and better budget for live music to entertain the browsing hordes.

Do join.

Can I just add, Joseph Collins will be leading the UrbanStories sessions on market day, starting at 1pm, 230pm and 4pm from Granary Lounge, City Inn.

These tales of the development of Leeds from the Big Bang through the industrial revolution are told against the jaw-dropping 360 degree views of the city from the roof garden of Candle House.

Skyscrapercity readers wishing to join any of these 45 minute walks on Sat 31 July should email me at paul.fallon@creativespaceman.com before Tuesday 27 July 9pm to reserve a FREE + 1 guest place (normally £4.50). Places are limited so first come first served.

Thank you.

Excuse me while I get this thread back on topic :)

Saturday 31st July is Pannier Market day! 10am-4pm. At Granary Wharf!

I'm away on holiday but am sorry to be missing this. There are even more independent producers than last month - now in the region of 70 - and a wider range again including more stalls selling olives, cured meats, savouries and things for you serious foodies. Alongside all the established eclectic mix of sellers of everything from Art to Zylophones.

Plus, thanks to ISIS sponsorship, a bigger and better budget for live music to entertain the browsing hordes.

Do join.

If your not on holiday yet, can I ask you why August is the last month for the market, are you not able to use G/W after August, could the Pannier Market move to another site and are there any plans for an Xmas Pannier Market ?

I'm sure it's a case of weather more than viability.

Pannier Market was busy this morning despite the inclement weather, there were more new stalls including a delightful lady selling home made chocolates, and another lady who looked like Imelda May selling strawberrys.

While I was there I called for a coffee at the City Inn Skybar, which wasn't too expensive, only 35p dearer than the coffee van outside. It was while drinking my coffee and looking out through the balcony I came to realise what an ugly building Bridgewater Place is. It's not noticable at a distance or close up at ground level, but from the height of the Skybar it's a bit of a shocker.

what an ugly building Bridgewater Place is. It's not noticable at a distance or close up at ground level, but from the height of the Skybar it's a bit of a shocker.

I disagree there, i know Bridgewater place is a dull building when the weathers bad but its certainly not ugly!! its got a unique appearance something most typical buildings lack in my opinion its always that square box appearance :| its so borring.

I disagree there, i know Bridgewater place is a dull building when the weathers bad but its certainly not ugly!! its got a unique appearance something most typical buildings lack in my opinion its always that square box appearance :| its so borring.

I don't know enough about the design and finish of buildings to post the correct terms of what I'm trying to say. All I can say is that it's not the shape of the building so much, as the finish I guess and the amount of glass and window space used. As I say I didn't really notice it before untill I viewed it from the Skybar.

I go up to sky bar regular and i've never seen Bridgewater place as an ugly building. i know its not the best looking building in the world but it doesn't deserve to be called ugly in my opinion. :)

I go up to sky bar regular and i've never seen Bridgewater place as an ugly building. i know its not the best looking building in the world but it doesn't deserve to be called ugly in my opinion. :)

Your right, using the word ugly was going over the top. It's not the most attractive building when viewed from the Skybar would have been a more correct way of putting it.

Your right, using the word ugly was going over the top. It's not the most attractive building when viewed from the Skybar would have been a more correct way of putting it.

Too right! lol

be proud of Bridgewater place! :)

http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/melfiire/4850348751_9c39a881e5_o.jpg
http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/melfiire/4852890246_d198764d27_b.jpg

Sort of looks decent there !

Its a hot-mess and thats really it.

I think out of all the buildings you see looking south from the skybar, BWP is one of the better ones.

Bridgewater Place is a cool tower :cool: ...

http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/gallery/d/17361-1/bridgewater+place+ba12144.jpg

End of .. in my opinion. :bowtie:

There were some workmen in the large unit beneath Watermans Place this evening, it is currently advertised as a 'new restaurant' concept. They were clearing the space out so perhaps preparing to fit it out? It was rumoured - on this thread I think - that it was to be an Argentinian Steakhouse - anyone any more news?

Also the canal lock office is to be turned into a recruitment agency, there is a sign up outside.

Also the canal lock office is to be turned into a recruitment agency, there is a sign up outside.

The Works recruitment. They moved in last week.

Has anyone noticed how low the canal has been recently? There must be barely 2 feet of water in there now next to office lock.

The canal is closed at the moment isn't it? Or at least the upper sections are.

I noticed the River Tyne very low while crossing that two days ago. What's the Aire like?

I've noticed a lot heavier traffic than normal on there recently. Not seen any signs about it been closed though. I only walk along the lower part between Granary Wharf and Whitehall waterfront.

Considering what a crap summer it's been, it's rather surprising levels are so low - what used to happen a few years ago when July/August was actually hot!?

I mean the real upper parts between Wigan and Gargrave; a 100km stretch is closed.

I seem to remember the last decent summer was 2005. 2006, 7, 8 and 9 were bad summers I seem to recall. 2003-2005 were good summers. I don't think this summer has been bad- certainly an improvement on last year. Our hot weather seems to be received mainly during May and June now rather than July/August.

As long as summer returns in 2 weeks I'll be happy. I don't really mind weather like this when I'm stuck in an office all day.

2006 seemed pretty good to me, people usually seem to cite that as the last decent one.

Can I point out as UrbanAngle as gone missing, that tomorrow is the last scheduled Pannier Market. There will be over 50 stalls providing arts and crafts and food to take home or cooked and ready to eat. Starts at 10am with a 4pm finish although some stalls may close earlier depending on the weather and stock levels.

Has that coffee shop opened yet?

Not to my knowledge, I reckon they will be waiting till The Pannier as finished for the year.

Has that coffee shop opened yet?

Nope, although of the other unit in Waterman's Place, the one closest to the canal (I.e. The one not next to the footbridge) has workers in and paving stones outside it have been lifted for utility works.

Very windy today, and some of the Pannier Market stalls suffered because of that. There were a few new stalls today, but overhaul there seemed to be less stalls than before. Weather conditions and the Bank Holiday had an effect of the amount of shoppers, hope the Pannier returns in the not too distant future.

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/The-success-story-that-is.6597304.jp
The success story that is Leeds' Granary Wharf
25 October 2010

It's one of the few successful Leeds schemes to emerge from the recent recession.
Now it's about to enjoy a boom thanks to one of the few government-funded projects that escaped the spending axe.

Rod McPhee took a look at why the redeveloped Granary Wharf works.

A huge part of the city centre renaissance of the last 15 years has centred around the waterfront. But while various riverside developments showed huge promise, they didn't always deliver.

Which is why Granary Wharf is genuinely outstanding. First of all the developers, Isis, actually completed construction which, in the current climate, is an achievement in itself.

And over the past 15 months they've sold or let almost 60 per cent of the residential offering, moved in a prestigious hotel and are rapidly filling the retail units with independent retailers.

Now that's set to take off further as the Government confirms they'll fund a £15m southern entrance from Leeds Station which is due to open in two years time. This will see an estimated 17,000 people pass through the area daily.

"It's fantastic news," says Toby Hyam, co-managing director of Creative Space Management, one of the companies which Isis enlisted to create an individual offering.

"But we always worked on the scheme on the basis that it may or may not happen. We worked on the principle that we wanted to create something individual down there which would attract people to the Wharf, but also serve the needs of the residents.

"So we didn't target the big multinational names, we specifically went for the independents, something that would make it feel special down there. To be fair, the multinationals probably weren't very interested in a scheme as unusual as ours anyway, but we didn't exactly twist their arm to come here either.

"We were very clear about our ideal, whereas with other schemes like Clarence Dock they seemed to have a very confused strategy."

This policy avoided pitfall number one: creating a clone satellite to the city centre. Instead CSM spent months searching out tenants who they felt offered something which would make Granary Wharf a destination.

Ross Halliday and Jon Baldwin are owners of Out of the Woods in nearby Holbeck Urban Village. They are an upmarket venture selling top quality soups, sandwiches and sweets and next month open their second outlet at the wharf.

"It just has a really great feel to it," says Ross. "It's big, but not too big. It's a little bit out of town but not too far out of town. And although its new, they've used a lot of materials like copper and wood which don't make it feel too corporate or clinical.

Jon added: "We also really liked their ethos of targeting only independent businesses and they couldn't have been more helpful and encouraging in bringing us there.

"They also went to a lot of care in who they selected. So it wasn't just about retailers making sure the wharf was right for them, the developers wanted to make sure that the retailers were right for the wharf."

An existing resident is The Hop. Built under the railway arches, it serves food, real ale and live music at weekends.

"We had targets for when we opened," says co-owner Mike Heaton. "But since we launched in March we've taken something like 60 per cent over those targets.

"We feel we've made a success of the business on our own but the location really helped. We're on a bit of a real ale circuit down here because there's quite a few real ale pubs in the area, which really gets people down here. We just knew it would work.

"But more important than that is the fact that they've tried to create almost a village atmosphere at Granary Wharf and by bringing us in we're almost the village pub."

How have they created a village atmosphere? From the start Isis aimed to ensure the lion's share of its residents were owner-occupiers, thus reducing the transient nature of many city living schemes.

Of the 282 apartments split between Candlehouse, the large cylindrical tower, and Waterman's Place, around 160 have either been sold or let.

And of those purchased about 95 per cent are now homes for the buyers.

So both the businesses and the residents feel they have a vested interest in creating some kind of community. Which is why CSM have also been staging numerous events to enhance that ambience.

This summer they staged five markets at the wharf, and held other one-offs ranging from a giant picnic to sheep-shearing contest. All of which brought in an extra 10,000 visitors.

And potential residents seem to like it.

Nina Barker is senior sales consultant for King Sturge, the agency responsible for selling the apartments.

"On one whole side of Waterman's Place we've sold every apartment bar one. Our target by this stage was to have sold about 100 apartments and we've actually completed on 160.

"And with the south entrance to the station getting the go-ahead we think things will really pick up. The trouble at the moment is some people either don't know we're here or don't know quite how to get here but, obviously that will change with the new entrance. And I think its closeness and visibility from the station will be a big benefit."

But the biggest jubilation comes from City Inn, perhaps the jewel in the crown of Granary Wharf. A large chunk of their trade relies on business travellers coming into Leeds Station and spotting the hotel as they approach from London. In two years they'll virtually be able to step off a platform and into the lobby.

Stephen Turner said: "We actually opened late August of last year under very challenging circumstances and although we were nervous, and the first three months were difficult in terms of room sales, we've done very well since.

"And we like to think that as much as we've been a benefit to Granary Wharf, they've been a benefit to us too. It's a great building and a great location down by the canal. Plus, when the south entrance to the station opens it will just be the ideal spot for us."

Perhaps the biggest draw though is their Skylounge which is the highest bar in Leeds and, on a weekend, regularly pulls in 2,500 visitors. That's a lot of trade passing through the wharf.

Tellingly, during the general election campaign in April it was the City Inn which was chosen as a suitable backdrop for a visit by Gordon Brown, who was then Prime Minister. Even more telling was the fact they used the Skylounge balcony as the place to conduct all his TV interviews.

"It must be the best bar in Leeds." says Stephen. "It's very sexy and
the views north and south are just amazing. That helped the wharf and City Inn get people down here initially and raise our profile.

"Interestingly it's been such a success that the City Inn group are now building two new hotels, one in London and one in Amsterdam, and both will incorporate a Skylounge. But I'm pleased to say that ours was the first."

http://www.fazenda.co.uk/

Fazenda Bar & Grill is opening at Granary Wharf- Waterman's Place Unit 3.

Good to see this scheme faring well in these challenging times. There is so much to commend it and I love how its becoming home to independent operators and not been taken over by the big, generic 'anywhere' chains. The new southern entrance from Leeds Station can only insure Granary Wharf goes from strength to strength.

They have been fitting out Fazenda for some time now. Workmen are also in the Out of the Woods unit so both should be open by the end of November.

count me in for a steak sounds and looks sweet as fook!!!!!!!!!!!!

count me in for a steak sounds and looks sweet as fook!!!!!!!!!!!!

£26 for all you can eat steak sounds pretty darn good.

Although how much steak can people really eat?!

Although how much steak can people really eat?!

I always call these 'all you can eat' places the 'all you can eat challenge' :lol:

Does anyone know when Fazenda is actually opening? Wanted to book for the end of the month for girlfriends birthday, tried to book online but it said the date requested was not available.

I noticed they didn't have an opening date on the site but it can't be too far off. My advice: ring up.

Does anyone know when Fazenda is actually opening? Wanted to book for the end of the month for girlfriends birthday, tried to book online but it said the date requested was not available.

22nd Nov

Hey UrbanAngle, What's the latest on The Pannier Market opening at Xmas ?

22nd Nov

Her birthday is on the 25th so thats good to hear. Thanks.

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/yorkshire/news/85705-media-buzz-vital-online-studio-complete-laver-leisure-website-restaurant-launch-for-smart-and-more.html?news_section=54011
Restaurant launch for Smart
8th November 2010

Rachel Covill
Business Correspondent

PUBLIC relations and marketing firm the Smart Agency has been tasked with promoting a new type of dining experience arriving in Leeds this month.

The Leeds and Harrogate-based company will manage the launch of Fazenda Rodizio Bar & Grill, a new concept ‘churrascaria’ restaurant opening at Waterman’s Place on Granary Wharf on November 22.

Emma Kirkaldy, director at Smart, said: “Fazenda brings something different to Leeds due to the ‘rodizio’ style of serving cuts of meat on a skewer to diners at their table. This creates an exciting and engaging dining experience between the diner and the Passador serving the meat.”

Fazenda manager Tomas Maunier said: "Our goal is to position Fazenda as the new place to go in central Leeds for business people who want a business lunch with a difference and for couples, families and friends looking for a vibrant atmosphere and great food with South American flair.”

For more information about Fazenda Rodizio Bar & Grill visit www.fazenda.co.uk

Out of the Woods Coffee shop and Fazenda steak house will be opening later this month. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/businessnews/New-businesses-say-hello-to.6630717.jp

New businesses say hello to Granary Wharf

From left, Ross Halliday and Jon Baldwin (Out of the Woods), David Deacon and Hollie Reynolds (ISIS), Mark Lodoacha, Robert Melmon and Tomas Maunier (Fazenda)
Published Date: 18 November 2010
THE taste of success continues at Granary Wharf in Leeds where two new venues are set to open up this month.

Out of the Woods Granary Wharf, the site's first coffee shop, will offer seating and a takeaway service.

It is also opening a pop-up Christmas shop in a next door unit from today.

And Brazilian steak restaurant Fazenda has agreed the lease of a 4,538 square foot unit at the Wharf for 15 years.

The restaurant opens on November 22.

David Deacon, urban development manager at ISIS which owns Granary Wharf, said: "The success of the commercial aspect of Granary Wharf is very much down to the fact that what we offer here is a place where independent retailers can thrive."


How many available units are there remaining? Still at least it is good news to see some of these units occupied especially in a time of recession (contrast this with Clarence Dock although Granary Wharf is certainly better sited) and is there much of a community developing around the flats in this development?

Out of the Woods Coffee shop and Fazenda steak house will be opening later this month. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/businessnews/New-businesses-say-hello-to.6630717.jp



How many available units are there remaining? Still at least it is good news to see some of these units occupied especially in a time of recession (contrast this with Clarence Dock although Granary Wharf is certainly better sited) and is there much of a community developing around the flats in this development?

Three units left in Waterman's (including the temporary Chrstimas shop), one in Candle and one arch. Likely that one of these larger units will have gone by Xmas. I'm really looking forward to Fezenda and Out of the Woods opening - the two loves of my life good coffee and a good steak!

Out of the Woods opens next week, the pop up Out of the woods already open now selling xmas fare.

Other significant projects already commenced this year includes ISIS riverside Granary Wharf scheme, which incorporates a mid rise hotel, residential building and a striking 22 storey cylindrical residential tower, designed by Carey Jones Architects. Laing ORourke are currently on site installing sheet piling (http://www.sheetpiling-china.com/) in the early stages of construction.

Thats some pretty advanced spamming there.

Spent an enjoyable hour or so at the gala opening of Out of the Woods yesterday. The design of the coffee shop/juice bar follows on from the look in the Holbeck O.O.T.Ws, food was excellent and the hosts very welcoming.

I had an interesting day skulking around the arches behind Granary Wharf, under the train station, yesterday. I'd love to kayak through those arches :D

Good to see Candal House, Waterman's Place and City Inn (Mint Hotel) collectively winning Building of the Year at the RIBA White Rose porperty awards last week - http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Leeds39s-Granary-Wharf-takes-top.6644733.jp

I had an interesting day skulking around the arches behind Granary Wharf, under the train station, yesterday. I'd love to kayak through those arches :D

Have you seen "Deliverance" ?

^ nope, I've just imdb'd it.

I bet you can squeal like a pig. Weeeeeeee!

I bet you can squeal like a pig. Weeeeeeee!

da-da, dum-dum, dum-dum, dum-dum, dum...

do, do-do, do-do, do-de-do...

Found a picture of the 'The Hop'
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4005/4471203680_eeea7623ca.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4005/4471203680_eeea7623ca_b.jpg

Hi there,

Who owns this image. I'd like to use it in a piece of coursework and would like permission and referencing information.

Thanks,
lee.

The request is urgent and if anyone knows I would appreciate it greatly.

The request is urgent and if anyone knows I would appreciate it greatly.

My guess:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tjblackwell/4471203680/

Flickr (but strangely not images on flickr) is blocked at work for me, so it's a blind guess (the image URL contains 4471203680 which should be the image ID, the link above should take you to the image on Flickr, and based on that URL i guess it's the copyright (or creative commons) of a certain T J Blackwell)

My guess:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tjblackwell/4471203680/

Flickr (but strangely not images on flickr) is blocked at work for me, so it's a blind guess (the image URL contains 4471203680 which should be the image ID, the link above should take you to the image on Flickr, and based on that URL i guess it's the copyright (or creative commons) of a certain T J Blackwell)

His Flickr profile (http://www.flickr.com/people/tjblackwell/) includes...

"If anyone would like to use any of the images in my photostream, please feel free to distribute them in any way you like as long as it's attributed to me in the smallprint - and drop me a message if it's to be used online so I can have a look for my own curiosity! Cheers :-)"

Was strolling round this developement today and theres a real ambience about the place. Back when they were planning it I was worriedthat it would turn out shit but Im really pleased with the way its turned out. I could really see myself living in one of these blocks. :cheers:

Was strolling round this developement today and theres a real ambience about the place. Back when they were planning it I was worriedthat it would turn out shit but Im really pleased with the way its turned out. I could really see myself living in one of these blocks. :cheers:

:) Indeed, I wouldn't mind an appartment high up in Candle House if only to watch the trains go back and forth... With the Leeds City Station south entrance in the pipeline GW will only become more vibrant :cheers:

Finally got round to upload this 'latest' construction pic, from december 2008:

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/975Leedsstationarea_pic1.jpg

Nonetheless, still a good picture!

Finally got round to upload this 'latest' construction pic, from december 2008:

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/975Leedsstationarea_pic1.jpg

Ahh I remember it well, when Leeds had cranes right across the City Centre. Can only hope for those days again in the future. I remember when we were up to about 25 cranes. what memories

Nice to see Granary Wharf being considered for the finals of the Stirling Prize.

Yorkshire builds up awards portfolio


Published on Thursday 19 May 2011 06:00

Yorkshire boasts even more award-winning architecture after scooping four prizes at a ceremony celebrating Britain’s best new buildings.

Four projects from the region were recognised at the 2011 RIBA (Royal Institute of British Architects) Awards in Manchester last night.

They were Sandal Magna Community Primary School, Wakefield, by Sarah Wigglesworth Architects; Granary Wharf Masterplan, Leeds, by Carey Jones, Chapmantolcher, CZWG and Allies & Morrison; Heslington East Masterplan, York, by BDP architects and Sharrow Point apartments and townhouses in Cemetery Road, Sheffield by Project Orange architects. The Yorkshire buildings are among 97 RIBA award winners, which will all be considered for the Stirling Prize.

RIBA president Ruth Reed said: “This year’s winners show that in spite of a terrible worldwide recession, many exceptional buildings have been, and continue to be, built.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/lifestyle/indoors/find-a-property/yorkshire_builds_up_awards_portfolio_1_3393156

I went for a walk down to GW with the missus yesterday and I was so surprised when we got down there. There was so much stuff going on!

The Hop had a steel pan band outside which had a pretty decent crowd, there were people in canoes and pedal boats up and down the canal, there was some kind of photo shoot in the Arches with an American Hotrod (Boyd Coddington style which sounded like a thunderstorm in the Arches!!) and in GW itself, and there was those massive inflatable balls that you get in to 'walk on water', Mint hotel had an outside barbeque with a massive outside seating area on the canal front and Fazenda also had outdoor seating.

Doe's anyone know if the canoes and walk on water things are permanant?

It was so refreshing to see the area used how it was planned to use and it made it such a nice area to spend tine in.

Granary Wharf.... Great success! (Borat style)

I went for a walk down to GW with the missus yesterday and I was so surprised when we got down there. There was so much stuff going on!

It was the annual Leeds Waterfront Festival this weekend: http://www.leedswaterfrontfestival.com/

apparently the unit next to the Hop is 'under offer'. Anyone know anything about this?

All the empty units are 'Under Offer' aren't they? Just means they're up for rent essentially.

I also went down today and it was great to see the riverside busy- no doubt aided by the good weather. I just hope that they can make it a bit more permanent- are the Pannier Markets on this summer?

Also, there's a big gap between Brewery Wharf and Granary Wharf that no-one really controls. Could do with some events attractions along here. If not, it might be better to promote it as Eastern Waterfront (GW/CD/Thwaite Mills) and Western Waterfront (GW/Whitehall/Tower Works when complete).

I think under offer means someone has put an offer in to take the unit, otherwise it would simply be 'to let'.

I think under offer means someone has put an offer in to take the unit, otherwise it would simply be 'to let'.

"Under Offer: The status of a property for sale/let when a seller/owner has accepted an offer from a buyer/tenant, prior to exchange of contracts."

I own a property on the 17th floor of Candle House, the views are great, see my skyline thread. And the quality of the materials and finish are very high quality.

The Balconies are death traps though.

the quality of the materials and finish are very high quality.

One of the reasons why it's been shortlisted for a 2011 regional Stirling Prize award :)

How busy/occupied is the tower at the moment? Every time I'm at the train station I'm encouraged to see a few more items in windows/balconies.

More people moving in all the time.

I'm letting mine to a friend, I live in Barwick in Elmet!

A wife and kids put paid to my dreams of city living! :)

Damn! I would kill for an appartment in Candle House! I'm green with envy, Londonladinleeds!

I'm going round to see my mate regularly!

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^ What's the panoramic view like? How far can you see either way? I don't think I've seen floor plans for it yet.. how many apartments share a floor?

http://www.granarywharf.co.uk/Assets/Files/Uploads/GW-CandleHouse-floorplan.pdf

You can see 180 degrees.

We paid £190k

For peeps interested in seeing the view from the top of candle house, Granary Wharf tweeted that there is going to be a free viewing for anyone who wants to come down at 12 noon tomoz (2nd jul) I presume the meeting place is the marketing office. They said this was 'due to popular demand'

For peeps interested in seeing the view from the top of candle house, Granary Wharf tweeted that there is going to be a free viewing for anyone who wants to come down at 12 noon tomoz (2nd jul) I presume the meeting place is the marketing office. They said this was 'due to popular demand'

Great stuff! Is the marketing office on the ground floor? might have to go check it out - I haven't really been down Granary Wharf since it was under construction. Is there much going down there on a saturday? Any stalls out or anything?

Not sure what's going on at the weekends regarding stalls and shizz as I'm travelling atm. Went to Dubai recently, the Burj Khalifa is just stupidly tall, but elegant at the same time. We could only wish for something a quarter of that size in Leeds lol!

For peeps interested in seeing the view from the top of candle house, Granary Wharf tweeted that there is going to be a free viewing for anyone who wants to come down at 12 noon tomoz (2nd jul) I presume the meeting place is the marketing office. They said this was 'due to popular demand'

Did anyone have a look at the top of Granary Wharf and was it just the one viewing for people visiting the site office at 12pm only as I didn't see anything at Granary Wharf today about a rooftop viewing.

Anyway heres a few pictures from the Guardian back in 2010:

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Nice views. Presumably you can also see Bridgewater Place and Elland Road from the rooftop garden.

Another award for Granary Wharf.

Not really too surprised, a real quality development.

Granary Wharf in Leeds wins highest honour at Housing Design Awards

15 July 2011 | By Will Hurst

Granary Wharf

Scheme by Careyjones chapmantolcher, CZWG and Allies & Morrison bags Supreme Award

Leeds regeneration project Granary Wharf scooped the Supreme Award at this year’s Housing Design Awards.

The completed mixed-use scheme, located next to Leeds central station and designed by Careyjones chapmantolcher, CZWG and Allies & Morrison for Isis Regeneration, includes the only 3-bed apartments in the city among 282 new homes, as well as generously sized 2-bed apartments at above 70sqm.Granary Wharf in Leeds wins highest honour at Housing Design Awards

http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/uk/granary-wharf-in-leeds-wins-highest-honour-at-housing-design-awards/5021723.article

Video with the article:

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Edit: Apologies- hadn't seen the previous post.

Bit of a random question but is the Pannier market still on next saturday? Thinking about taking my mum down to check it out, she digs that kinda thing.

I have no idea- you might be better ringing them?

How often is the farmers/craft market on on Briggate? Now it's moved to Briggate I think that has real potential to grow.

I have no idea- you might be better ringing them?

How often is the farmers/craft market on on Briggate? Now it's moved to Briggate I think that has real potential to grow.

I don't think they've been running the Pannier Market this year at Granary Wharf (well, there's no hint of it on the net, all articles refer to 2010).

The Farmer's market is bi-monthly (first Sunday of every month at the Kirkgate outdoor market as usual, third Sunday of every month on Briggate).

There's also Undiscovered on Albion Place:
http://www.leedsmarkets.co.uk/speciality-markets/undiscovered-on-albion-place/
2nd/4th Saturday of every month (so it's on today I presume)

I had a google and concluded the same thing. Didn't know about the Artsmix* markets though, that's good news.

I had a google and concluded the same thing. Didn't know about the Artsmix* markets though, that's good news.

I'd been by Albion Place a few times when it's been on, but just assumed it wasn't a regular thing. It's more of a craft fair than a market (in terms of food the last time I went by there was just a coffee stall).

If you include the monthly/bi-monthly events in the Corn Exchange, it means there's a market/fair of some description in Leeds every weekend.

The pannier market at Granary Wharf was good but I wonder if it was being held simply to tide the place over until more units were filled. Granary Wharf needs to get more people down there as right now unless you're staying at the hotel, living there in the flats, or passing through on a walk to the canal/HUV, few people are going there on a weekend (this may change when the southern entrance to the station opens). Having said that, on a night things change, The Hop and surrounding restaurants are popular.

Equally good; we need good craft markets as well as food markets. As long as its bringing vibrancy to the street, attracting people to Albion Place and helping the traders sell their products then it's all good. I've seen artsmix* markets on the riverside before but didn't know it ran on Albion Place too.

How many people go to the Corn Exchange events? The Corn Exchange wiped itself off the shopping map; I never think to go there anymore whereas it used to be one of the headline destinations for any day out shopping in Leeds.

I would guess that's true about the Pannier Markets, but they were still successful. It was cheap to rent a stall.

How many people go to the Corn Exchange events? The Corn Exchange wiped itself off the shopping map; I never think to go there anymore whereas it used to be one of the headline destinations for any day out shopping in Leeds.

They held a CD fair a few weeks ago and it felt like the Corn Exchange of old. There's only a couple of empty units on the ground floor (although I notice the Esquire's coffee has closed). There's a few units on the upper floor that have been taken as well.

Equally good; we need good craft markets as well as food markets. As long as its bringing vibrancy to the street, attracting people to Albion Place and helping the traders sell their products then it's all good. I've seen artsmix* markets on the riverside before but didn't know it ran on Albion Place too.

How many people go to the Corn Exchange events? The Corn Exchange wiped itself off the shopping map; I never think to go there anymore whereas it used to be one of the headline destinations for any day out shopping in Leeds.

I would guess that's true about the Pannier Markets, but they were still successful. It was cheap to rent a stall.
Nothing wrong with the Corn Exchange, some of the shops there are good as is the resaurant.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at-a-glance/main-section/canalside_scheme_wins_top_plaudits_for_regeneration_1_3897604
Canalside scheme wins top plaudits for regeneration
Saturday 22 October 2011 06:00

GRANARY Wharf, Leeds’ canalside development, has won an award for its “outstanding design ethos and build quality”.

The multi-million pound development beat competition from every region to win the regeneration category at the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors awards.

An RICS spokeswoman described Granary Wharf as “world class”.

Judges were impressed by the restored features including railway arches and canal dock. Others finalists included Sheffield’s Western Bank Library and Leeds City College’s Keighley campus.

:banana:

It really is a splendid development, whats more is that it has been successful during the recession - a real testament and triumph to good new residential builds - proving that flats will sell even in bad economic conditions if the urban design is right. This is the kind of permanent development we need to see in the city.

Granary Wharf really sets the standard by which other future projects should be judged, including south bank. More than anything though, it goes to prove how important quality building materials are, and how good things can look if the temptation to cut corners with aluminium/rainscreen/ceramic panel cladding is avoided.

Some minor news: Shopfitters have started on the remaining space under the arches (next to the Hop), which will be a restaurant, I believe. Just one space remaining now, which is the ground floor of Candle House.

Some minor news: Shopfitters have started on the remaining space under the arches (next to the Hop), which will be a restaurant, I believe. Just one space remaining now, which is the ground floor of Candle House.

Units 1, 3 and 7 of Waterman's Place are still available (1: The unit Out Of The Woods used for its temporary Christmas Shop. 3: The unit to the right of you as you cross to GW over the bridge before Out Of The Woods, opposite Fazenda. 7: The unit at the far end of Waterman's Place).

Units 1, 3 and 7 of Waterman's Place are still available (1: The unit Out Of The Woods used for its temporary Christmas Shop. 3: The unit to the right of you as you cross to GW over the bridge before Out Of The Woods, opposite Fazenda. 7: The unit at the far end of Waterman's Place).

I believe unit 7 is currently under offer and there may be an office development in Candle House, on the mezzanine floor.

VINEatly seems to be getting good reviews and comments from people on Twitter, might be worth checking out at some point.

VINEatly seems to be getting good reviews and comments from people on Twitter, might be worth checking out at some point.

VINeataly: A journey through Italian cuisine and wine begins at Granary Wharf (http://www.leeds-city-guide.com/VINeataly)

Living at Granary Wharf, Leeds:

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Granary wharf looked great yesterday evening at sunset. Loads of people sat outside The Hop Fazenda and Double tree. Loads of people sat on the grassy bits at the waterside too.

Also announced on Twitter that the unit next door to Fazenda is going to be a bar called Cuvée. Work starts today fitting it out apparently and due to be open in May. Follow @cuveeleeds for more of their updates.

Granary Wharf is going from strength to strength.

Clarence Dock, UP YOUR GAME!

I cant see Clarence Dock being able to compete with Granary Wharf any time in the immediate future. Its location really is putting it on the back foot and once the southern entrance to city station is complete, Granary Wharf will be rammed with people.

We will have to wait and see what kind of changes Allied London make.

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looks like just enough room for another structure on the land to the left of candle house on that pic there Lad. Is that the Holbeck triangle where the brick man was proposed? can't see over that wall from the river, so i had'nt noticed it before..must have walked past 100's of times!
An idea for GW would be a footbridge from Aire street (to the left of the white block on the pic) through the Arched Coal tunnel (bricked up) that connected the river and canal. You would emerge through the Arch which is between the back of Candle House and the Mint Hotel.This would save people approaching GW from a NW direction having to walk all the way round the station.Suppose it'd be good for Whitehall riverside too!

looks like just enough room for another structure on the land to the left of candle house on that pic there Lad. Is that the Holbeck triangle where the brick man was proposed? can't see over that wall from the river, so i had'nt noticed it before..must have walked past 100's of times!

that plot of land is actually up on the station viaduct. i'm sure it used to hold platforms at one time or another until the station redesign. no doubt someone on here will be able to source some old photos :)

the triangle you mention is further round near Cross Keys and Midnight Bell

It should be developed though, either as part of the station or for something else, making the best use of it's unique assets.

The Coal Tunnel and opening of another bridge would be good though.

.........An idea for GW would be a footbridge from Aire street (to the left of the white block on the pic) through the Arched Coal tunnel (bricked up) that connected the river and canal. You would emerge through the Arch which is between the back of Candle House and the Mint Hotel.This would save people approaching GW from a NW direction having to walk all the way round the station.Suppose it'd be good for Whitehall riverside too!

I don't think it's quite the same proposal but there is an idea along the same lines that's been knocking around for a while. This would see a walkway built over the river where it dives under the station to emerge again by the canal basin. There used to be a set of renders showing how the whole thing would work. My memory, hazy at best, suggests that Bauman Lyons produced the plans. As with your idea, it would save people on Aire Street/Whitehall Road having to walk through City Square to get down to Granary Wharf.

Or going up to the bridge that crosses onto the towpath near PSL.

once the southern entrance to city station is complete, Granary Wharf will be rammed with people.



Does anyone think GW could become Leeds' version of Deansgate Lock (but on a smaller scale) once the southern entrance has been constructed or am I just dreaming?

I don't see why it has to be on a smaller scale. The immediate developed area at Granary Wharf is more concentrated yes, but there's plenty of undeveloped canal to the NW, and Tower Works has a long way to go on the south side.

I've only noticed it recently but I have come to love this former railway viaduct that snakes its way away from the station.

It could have bags of potential if this area develops in future, a linear park like (a smaller version of the High Line in New York) which could link into developments and have funky commercial units in the arches underneath?

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg528/scaled.php?server=528&filename=viaduct.jpg&res=medium

A High Line style development has been mooted before. I'm sure Yorkshire Forward had the idea under their wing until they were abolished.

Part of the problem is though, this line just winds its way through industrial estates and doesn't really lead anywhere, unlike the High Line that takes you through, round and over the buildings of Manhattan to the Meatpacking District.

Not too disimilar to a modern day park, but what about an inland pier? There needs to be an attraction at the end, and I think it should have some sort of transport on it like a light railway or pier-style tram.

Not too disimilar to a modern day park, but what about an inland pier? There needs to be an attraction at the end, and I think it should have some sort of transport on it like a light railway or pier-style tram.

Exactly, I was just going to post something similar before reading your revised post.

Some kind of destination place or attraction that encourages footfall along its length, in addition to developments that may directly feed into it. I think it should definitely be preserved in anticipation of such a use in future, does anyone know if its listed or not?

Hey up Larven, there was a full discussion on this on the Holbeck urban village thread. The new small shop units at the tower works development [ also on the Holbeck urban village thread ] look good as seen from the train station, they also look closer to Granary Wharf now that side of the site as been cleared.

I don't see why it has to be on a smaller scale. The immediate developed area at Granary Wharf is more concentrated yes, but there's plenty of undeveloped canal to the NW, and Tower Works has a long way to go on the south side.


But isn't Tower Works meant to be a office / business park development? I can't envisage any sort of leisure development there even though it would be great if these was.

But isn't Tower Works meant to be a office / business park development? I can't envisage any sort of leisure development there even though it would be great if these was.

You're wrong there, old sport, at least in part. The whole thing was envisaged to be a mixed use development: residential, cultural and leisure, a bit of retail (think I read something about a community bakery), and some office but absolutely not a business park. In fact, I think idea idea was that the office part of the development was seen as a spinoff from the Round Foundry. So the idea was that you could start your new business in a small unit at Round Foundry then, as you grew and needed more space, you moved to larger premises at Tower Works.

the area in that picture is reserved for the building of a potential extra platform for services on the railway line out towards Methley, to complement the existing platform 17.

This is thought to be needed in the (apparently likely) event that the line between Knottingley & Doncaster is reopened (allowing trains from Leeds to Doncaster via Castleford, Pontefract, Knottingley & Askern.

Tower Works is correctly supposed to be building on the success of the Round Foundry. But look at what the Round Foundry has brought. If there's enough people working in the area, there'll be demand for eateries on the ground floors.

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Leeds City Centre (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34255412@N06/6900158202/) by Melfiire (http://www.flickr.com/people/34255412@N06/), on Flickr

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Candle House, Granary wharf, Leeds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34255412@N06/7046254889/) by Melfiire (http://www.flickr.com/people/34255412@N06/), on Flickr

Was that high line scheme proposal this old one?

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9040/holbeckviaductrender156.jpg

Yes, by Bauman Lyons Architects: http://www.baumanlyons.co.uk/projects/connecting-edges/holbeck-viaduct

The transformation of a disused viaduct into an urban park has been done particularly well in Paris and in New York:

http://klad.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/High_Line_20th_Street_looking_downtown.jpg

Alcohol license application for 'Granary Express' in the old Out Of The Woods Christmas Pop Up Shop unit - presumably an mini mart/off licence coming soon.

Will be a useful addition, but could affect trade at Tesco BWP. Should do a roaring trade when LSSE opens though.

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Granary Wharf, Leeds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34255412@N06/6810661948/) by Melfiire (http://www.flickr.com/people/34255412@N06/), on Flickr

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Candle House, Leeds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34255412@N06/6872614306/) by Melfiire (http://www.flickr.com/people/34255412@N06/), on Flickr

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Candle House, Leeds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34255412@N06/7018730277/) by Melfiire (http://www.flickr.com/people/34255412@N06/), on Flickr

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Is it me or is there a birds nest in that satellite dish :)

Is it me or is there a birds nest in that satellite dish :)

:lol: someone is getting free Sky!!

Is it me or is there a birds nest in that satellite dish :)

Yep, when i took the picture i saw a terrordactyl fly out of it.

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Sky Bar, Leeds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34255412@N06/5632529214/) by Melfiire (http://www.flickr.com/people/34255412@N06/), on Flickr

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Sky Bar, Leeds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34255412@N06/5631875825/) by Melfiire (http://www.flickr.com/people/34255412@N06/), on Flickr

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Sky Bar, Leeds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34255412@N06/5632288166/) by Melfiire (http://www.flickr.com/people/34255412@N06/), on Flickr

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Sky Bar, Leeds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34255412@N06/5632283110/) by Melfiire (http://www.flickr.com/people/34255412@N06/), on Flickr

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Sky bar, Leeds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34255412@N06/5631697509/) by Melfiire (http://www.flickr.com/people/34255412@N06/), on Flickr

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Sky Bar, Leeds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34255412@N06/5632284230/) by Melfiire (http://www.flickr.com/people/34255412@N06/), on Flickr

Did you take those? They look very commercial

Did you take those? They look very commercial

Yeah i did and you reckon?

Yeah i did and you reckon?

it because you haven't put any crazy angles on these ones... some of your shots are a little too crazy for some folk ;)

it because you haven't put any crazy angles on these ones... some of your shots are a little too crazy for some folk ;)

it is better to be different though :nuts:

They look like marketing photos... Give the colour a bit more oomph and they wouldn't look out of place on Hilton's website.