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thryve
August 5th, 2005, 12:46 AM
http://www.sundaytimes.co.za/mscsthumbnail.aspx?refId=264151&refRef=img

NAME: FOURWAYS PIAZZA
LOCATION: FOURWAYS, GREATER JOHANNESBURG
STATUS: PROPOSED
FLOORS: 20
HEIGHT: TBA
USE: MIXED-USE


FOURWAYS, Johannesburg, is being touted as the new Sandton but not everyone is thrilled with the idea.

A luxurious 20-storey development of the trendy mixed-use type — shops grouped with apartments — is planned opposite Montecasino.

However, residents say the R300-million project will be too high, will affect the traffic flow and is simply not needed.

If the Fourways Piazza gets the go-ahead from the council, the 30000m˛ development on the corner of Witkoppen Road and William Nicol Drive will contain a five-star hotel, shops, 100 upmarket apartments and restaurants opening onto a square.

And if that sounds a lot like Nelson Mandela Square and Melrose Arch, that’s the intention.

Chris Harris, director of Syndev Properties, said: "We are looking at doing 20 storeys around a piazza like Sandton Square.

"The site is perfect for a mixed-use development and it will work just as well as it works at Sandton and Melrose Arch.

"This is the new Sandton. Having a higher concentration of people prevents urban sprawl.

"There is huge interest in the project. If we wanted we could fill the building tomorrow," he said.

Businessman Andy Dott, who lives in the area, supports the project. "With regard to this particular site, the last vacant stand on one of Sandton’s busiest corners, it would be naive to even dream that it is not going to be developed to its full potential," he said.

Restaurateur Simon MacLennan said he looked forward to being a tenant. "The site is a dust-bowl, in a commercial node where existing developments are particularly ugly, whereas the piazza appears to be quite pleasing," said MacLennan.

Harris said the project was still in its infancy. "All that we have is a model and a pretty picture," he said.

But he admitted R7.5-million had already been spent on installing storm-water services and levelling the site. He said if the piazza was not approved, he would opt for a different development.

However, if it is approved, building will begin early next year and be finished towards the end of 2007.

Denis Hunt, councillor for the area, lodged the only formal objection with the council.

"There is a big difference between what developers want and what the city can accommodate. I do not think a piazza is something that Fourways needs.

"My concern is that once you have one tall building you set a precedent, and we’ll have a heap of them."

Harris, however, said the height wasn’t a concern: "We are matching the levels of the Palazzo Hotel at Montecasino."

Chris Brooker, chairman of the Fourways Residents’ Association, said if Harris had not applied for permission during the December holidays, it would have also lodged an objection.

"The plans are inappropriate in scale. They are also insensitive to the environment and to traffic congestion in the area," he said.

Harris retaliated by saying that Syndev had submitted a traffic impact assessment.

"It is up to authorities to sort out bottlenecks — we supply demand.

"Everyone blames developers, but we pay our service contributions and it is up to the city council to sort out the infrastructure."

dysan1
September 26th, 2005, 06:48 PM
anymore on this??

AAS
September 26th, 2005, 07:08 PM
I like it, it has the Sandton style...

mike2005
December 17th, 2005, 02:37 PM
Does anyone know if this is going ahead?

joburg
December 17th, 2005, 02:56 PM
I don't know myself.. I've been looking around but I haven't seen anything to indicate whether the development has been cancelled or not. However.. because we haven't heard anything, I'd be willing to guess that the NIMBYs won.

dysan1
December 17th, 2005, 06:57 PM
well u do like low rise there in Jozi...and convincing the masses to change the mindset will be hard...but it would be nice to develop a high rise node in fourways....cos to me it is just an area of TOO much sprawl

mike2005
December 18th, 2005, 04:24 PM
I agree why the hell the council dont just stop any more expansion of the city outwards so as to force density.

mike2005
December 18th, 2005, 04:24 PM
God that was terrible english!!!!

dysan1
December 18th, 2005, 06:07 PM
hehe...we got what u meant

The joburg council should stop outward expansion. All it does is drive up infrastructural costs. The denser an urban area, the better the utilisation of serivices, and cheaper it is to impplement. Sprawl is incredibly costly

dysan1
April 9th, 2006, 12:47 PM
So still no word? it might be the one building in fourways that could give the area some proper architecture

thryve
April 16th, 2006, 04:22 AM
This one died silently, I suppose. Would've been grand.. what a shame.

-thryve

dysan1
April 16th, 2006, 11:38 AM
typical...anything above 4F tends to never happen in jozi...come on densify!!!

JAB323
April 16th, 2006, 03:11 PM
I like it, it has the Sandton style...

Agreed. :cheers1:

msv240586
April 16th, 2006, 10:01 PM
why are the suburbanites so scared of density?

thryve
August 15th, 2006, 04:31 AM
::: project cancelled :::