No signs?

No signs at all!

hmm have to dig out my point map and see which one that is

From what I can gather the fenced off site that is set aside for the mall has been temporarily assigned as parking for Ushaka for the WC, and until the mall is approved and construction commences. I have already seen asphalt being laid down. This also hopefully means part of the parking woes and dispute holding back development of Shaka's Gate is being resolved.

On another note, work is still proceeding on the old warehouse opposite the Stevedores I posted on the last page. Windows have now been created along the side. The owner told me he wants to convert this to a restaurant.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc160/ja65sin/IMG_6097.jpg

Thanks again Jerome.

that suppose to be the brewery, maybe they changed their mind?

that suppose to be the brewery, maybe they changed their mind?

that would be so awsome!

ya is that not supposed to be the new home of Robsons in Durban?

Perhaps he told me it would be a restaurant before the brewery plans got finalised. Either way, I am thrilled this place is getting attention.

Nice to hear that more and more is going in down here... Note on the inclusion of "stage" in the below article... me wonders...


Monday, December 14, 2009
Jossi Designs
Restaurant on Point Road

We are busy working on a new restaurant on Point Road, Durban. This is an awesome open plan space, taking up 2 floors with high ceilings and and double volume areas so there is great potential.

The challenge at the moment is working around the structural columns which are slightly interfering with the view of the stage. However we will find a workable solution to this problem. The next areas that need to be addressed are some structural details, the ceiling and lighting layouts, and the specification of the furniture and fittings as well as a large number of other design details.

This building has such character, the front facade is amazing with the large arched windows which also allow light to come flooding into the space.

There is alot to be done in the few days left of this year. We cannot wait to get this going in the new year as it is an exciting project. The first floor is to be formal dining with the ground floor having a more fun and vibrant feel.

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http://jossidesign.blogspot.com/2009_12_01_archive.html

Very interesting. Am trying to figure out exactly which building this is. Glad so many things are coming on track by 2010.

looks like an old building being converted.

Very interesting. Am trying to figure out exactly which building this is. Glad so many things are coming on track by 2010.

Mate, it looks to me like its the back side (on Point road) of the Spinniker Building - in the one picture i think you can see Point road?

Might be wrong, what you guys think?

^^ you could be right. There is that historic building they preserved when they put it up and i am sure it has the arched windows.

With regards to those blog posts Mike's been posting from that Neil guy, nice to see Point area getting a mention. The more exposure it gets from an international point of view the better for the place. It needs investors from abroad as well, granted that 75% of the units are aimed at local holiday makers but its always nice having some rich dudes from else where owning properties here.

^^ i am sure that will be the intention with the marina and harbour entrance facing units

Yeah...

The point is actually really awesome early in the morning, except the cops... we got kicked out on Sunday morning for "racing" when all we were doing was a photo shoot.....
Sorry if we woke you Roman :runaway:

rofl, damn dragster's

Oh yes, forgot to mention that place Mike posted from the blog is the building next to the Spinaker on Point Rd, much work is being done there.

Yeah...

The point is actually really awesome early in the morning, except the cops... we got kicked out on Sunday morning for "racing" when all we were doing was a photo shoot.....
Sorry if we woke you Roman :runaway:

Haha! Good timing. I just returned to Durbs last night after more than 5 weeks away. :lol:

how are things in the hood? was down at Moyo last weekend and it was super. work on the Docklands hotel was streaming ahead and looking ever so classy. Jerome any further insights? any idea where the other hotels going up at the moment down there are?

The Ark is living, 2 meetings were held while I was away, will let you know when I get new plans

how are things in the hood? was down at Moyo last weekend and it was super. work on the Docklands hotel was streaming ahead and looking ever so classy. Jerome any further insights? any idea where the other hotels going up at the moment down there are?


Will fully explore the area when I get back to SA Feb 8. However, Docklands Hotel is just flying. Roofs are now complete.

Stevedores is also steaming along. The block that overlooks Ushaka parking lot now has roof beams installed. Work has also commenced on the long strip closer to Ushaka and adjoining that block where the roof beams have been installed. Not sure what's going on but perhaps this is the Chic hotel we've heard about?

And the creatives being to move in...

Ogilvy Durban relocates to the Point

The Ogilvy Durban group celebrated late last week its recent move into new premises in the Point Development in Mahatma Gandhi Road, Durban.
MD of the group, John Gale, is very positive about the relocation and being part of what he refers to as an exciting and important development for the city. "We would like to see this waterfront development becoming an integral part of Durban's tourism offering, similar to the way that the Cape Town waterfront has become a tourist destination for that city.

"We are always asking our clients to make bold decisions with regards to marketing their brands and it seemed only right for us to make an equally bold move in our decision to relocate to the area. Hopefully, other businesses and individuals will follow suit and invest in the area, which can only help to revive the entire inner city area of Durban."

Alan Bell, MD of OgilvyAction feels very positive about its fresh new premises and the vibrant atmosphere of the area. "The company is no doubt a pioneer and it's fantastic to be part of such an exciting development. How many people get to look out of their window and see a cruise liner pulling into the harbour, or step out of the office and smell the fresh salt air off the ocean? We're one of the few businesses in the area at the moment, but hopefully we'll start a new trend and other businesses in the creative industry will follow suit - it's the perfect location for a creative hub and I think we have exciting times ahead of us."
[9 Feb 2010 07:43]

http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/196/12/44524.html

Here are the shots of the point from my walkabout today...some extra's not featured elsewhere...

uShaka Beach

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uShaka pier is closed and construction is underway on it...does this mean the 3F glass bar is underway??

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interesting coloured Cayenne for you DB

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As i mentioned a few days back, Ogilvy Durban and OgilvyAction have moved their offices to the point...stunning location...lets hope the creatives keep moving in...

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Stevedores development

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Docklands hotel

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Point road...

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Another building getting new roofing in...

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This is where the Snake Park has moved to...

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Moyo and the beach

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if they get this area right it will be the showcase of south africa. Awesome setting, amazing architectural heritage, great weather, warm water. Truly a waterfront to be proud of!

WOW, beautiful.

I agree, Jakes. This area has so much potential.

Its looking great! thanks for the pics Mike, driving around the place you'll only see bits of it. You have to do a walk about.

As for that Porsche looks like a fake Hamann conversion, thanks will add to the collection though ;)

More details on the 2 new hotels to open in the area....

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New hotels soon opening at Durban Point Watefront
25 Feb 2010 - eProp - DPDC

Intro
Durban Point Waterfront, situated at the entrance to the biggest port in Africa, will soon welcome two new world-class hotels to its mixed-use development

The new additions will be primed to host both local and international guests in a secure and energetic environment during the World Cup hospitality boom and beyond.

The Docklands Hotel and The Anchorage Hotel simultaneously began construction last year, with The Docklands Hotel opening in May 2010. The new additions are set to enhance one of Durban’s most iconic locations, which is currently undergoing the transformation from a previously dilapidated precinct into a multi-billion rand investment gem.

“It was a natural progression to have hospitality developments in this re-generation precinct, as a number of nearby attractions and the beaches lend themselves to attracting both leisure and business tourists,” says Alan Vels, Managing Director of Signature Life Hotels.

“The entire node has developed to include a grand mix of business and residential in the area, which offers the further creation of entertainment areas within hotels.” observes Vels. “Also, with some inner city hotels downsizing and downgrading, there was a need for new business hotels on the Durban beachfront area.”

A major draw card of the Durban Point Waterfront is its proximity to places of interest and its prime location, says Mr. Logi Naidoo, Acting Chairman of the DPDC and Deputy Mayor of Ethekwini Municipality.

“Durban Point Waterfront is adjacent the R735 million U’Shaka Marine Theme Park, which is a major tourist attraction. With easy access to the beachfront and Indian Ocean, as well as being within a 10km radius of the Moses Mabhida stadium, the Durban Point Waterfront is a leading location for the influx of visitors expected over the next few months.” notes Naidoo.

The area is also accessible via a range of transportation modes, which include pedestrian, road, rail and sea. This allows for more accessible local, national and international connections.

The Docklands Hotel is a four-star hotel, with 81 designer decorated rooms, a restaurant and four conference rooms, seating a total of 400 people. The hotel, with its estimated value of R110 million, is urban, trendy and modern and boasts stunning views over the Indian Ocean and harbour.

The R60 million Anchorage Hotel, which is part of the Life Hotels brand, has 63 rooms, a restaurant and a conference room, which seats 400 people. The Anchorage Hotel is set to open in the latter part of 2010. The hotels are expected to draw guests from afar, and collectively can accommodate 304 guests sleeping over and 600 in the conference and banqueting suites.

“The Durban Point Waterfront is one of South Africa's most significant and exciting property development and investment projects, and the addition of these world-class hotels is evidence of this.” says Colin Sher, Sales and Marketing Manager for Durban Point Development Company and Managing Director Broll Property Group Kwazulu Natal.

“The hotels have very interesting contemporary designs with unique dining and meeting facilities, and compare to hotels and business spaces one would find in Canary Wharf in London.” explains Vels. “Our vision for these hotels is for them to become the leading city business hotels in Durban, recognised for world class accommodation and meeting spaces”.

In excess of R1.8 billion has already been spent on development at Durban Point Waterfront, with the final investment figure estimated in the region of R6 billion. This prime development, which will include a 44,000sqm entertainment and lifestyle shopping centre, is set to become one of Durban’s most esteemed locations. Phase One of the development is rapidly becoming a reality with its different elements in various stages of completion, planning and construction.

http://www.eprop.co.za/news/article.aspx?idArticle=12247

Update time.

Let' start off with something us Durbanites have been waiting a long time for: work on Moyo's double story glass bar on the pier has commenced!

Here's the renders:

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Work on the project is an advanced stage and I foresee it being complete in the next month. This is how far it's gone:

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Now for updates on other developments at the Point...


The roof of the proposed conference centre for the the proposed Anchorage Hotel that's part of the Stevedores plot is now installed.

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Work has commenced on the old warehouse behind the Docklands Hotel (the one with the fig tree growing on the wall; I posted some pics of it some time back). The beams and fig tree inside have been removed, a large entrance / doorway has been created at the back, and piling has commenced, inside and outside the structure. The plot around the building has also been cordoned off so it seems work on it may be imminent.

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Here's the piling on the inside

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Piling immediately outside the building.

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Last remnants of the fig tree.

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Doorway has been cut at the back

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Plot has been fenced off.

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Nice updates Roman, it would be nice if the owner of the building behing docklands take pics of the current state of the building and use them as part of the art when it's done.

Woah! that Moyo bar looks awesome! something Durbs needs I reckon.

moyo bar is amazing...think it needs a separate thread...

That Moyo bar is going to be fantastic. Can't wait to have sundowners there.

I like the pics of the fig tree growing over the 'ruins' - our own little Angkor Wat!

Think I will be going for lunch at the Moyo bar on Sunday...

lol, unless you plan on having drinks for lunch then sounds like a plan ;)

Some updates:

1. At least two new People Mover bus stops have been created in the Point Waterfront precinct. Previously, the closest People Mover bus stop was at Ushaka's entrance. Now, a new bus stop has been built at the bottom of the Point Timeball Tower (adjacent to the wooden deck). A second bus stop has been built virtually at the end of Mahatma Gandhi Rd, as it loops in on itself en route to the North Pier.

2. The most exciting recent development has been the creation of a deck overlooking the harbour entrance channel, giving people views similar to that of the old Thirsties. The 2nd bus stop, referred to above, is right outside this deck. The area around the deck has been landscaped and a path to it leads right from Point Rd (the deck is virtually opposite the end of the canals). The views from this deck of passing ships, the Bluff headland, and the Millennium Tower are unmatched. I hope this is the start of a trend of creating a recreational / commercial node along this stip, now that the harbour widening has been completed.

Not sure when the bus stops will be commissioned, but the special appeal of the Point has just grown with the access to the entrance channel. The views of the QM2 from there as it passed through would have been amazing.

Will keep you posted when the People Mover buses start running to these new stops. Will try to get pics soon.

Please, please Jerome, get the pics for us. Thanks for the updates.

Here's the news of the new bus stops in the waterfront precinct.

Taximen welcome new bus service
07 April 2010
Khulekani Mazibuko

THE eThekwini transport authority says its revamping of the city’s People Mover Transport system has the support of all stakeholders in the industry.

An additional fleet of 13 brand-new 33-seater buses will be added to the system. The new vehicles cater for disabled people as well.

The system, which has been in existence since last year, survived on serving 10 key areas of the inner city and the beachfront and its surrounds.

Deputy head of municipal transport Erik Moller said the revamp would mean that more busses with more seating and standing room will be added to the fleet.

The buses will now travel past UShaka Marine going south and will stop at Moses Mabhida Stadium going north,” Moller said.

The buses will operate seven days a week on a strict timetable, offering 15 minute intervals between busses all day long.

The busses operate from 5am to 10pm.

Moller said the People Mover initiative is the work of all taxi associations operating in Durban, so they are not expecting conflict or the disruption of the revamped system.

Durban Metropolitan Taxi Council secretary Mdu Xaba confirmed that the People Mover system was part of various taxi associations.

He said the buses were driven by former inner city taxi drivers and do not affect taxi associations on their routes.

“All of the directors in the company that owns the busses, Cooper Sunset, are taxi owners.

“Before we started with the system we had talks with all association members and reached agreement,” Xaba said.

He said taxi owners on routes used by the buses are not opposing the system since it puts something in their pockets as well.

Commuters felt the revamp would be good for the city but did not want an increase in bus fares.

“I just hope all the new buses will be of a good standard like the existing ones and will not raise the fee,” Zamokuhle Kunene, a waitress on the beach front, said

At present commuters pay R4 a trip.

http://www.sowetan.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=1129716

^^ :banana: good move by the City but I hope the frequency time will be adjusted to be more frequent than 15 minutes interval during the 2010 FIFA World Cup and the 10pm should be like 12:00am.

I see the ppl mover routes have been changed, no more stops in Berha Mkhize street opp the market. Strange as it was a pretty busy stop.

Here is an image (sorry about the quality) of the 106,000m2 mixed use next phase that begins after the world cup.

42,000m2 is for the mall and the remainder office, hotel and residential. 3 hotels will line the beach area in addition to this bulk.

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ok so Ushaka is to the left, then I see 2 hotels at the beach, 3 blocks of residential & 3 office blocks... wheres the mall?

And who is the Architect for this hole development?

The planning will be done by Point themself, its up to the guys who buy the plots to come up with their own designs.

And who is the Architect for this hole development?

you are seriously going to post this in every thread??

ok so Ushaka is to the left, then I see 2 hotels at the beach, 3 blocks of residential & 3 office blocks... wheres the mall?

3 hotels on beach.

Mall will be the ground and first floor under all the buildings

you are seriously going to post this in every thread??

LOL!

Anyways, Guys what are the chances that East Point actually do break ground? I have seen everyone is confident in this one but I myself am not to sure. Are they planning to start sometime soon? This baby has dragged out for years now. Its not even on Durbanpoint.co.za anymore.

^^ it was originally residential. they developed the first phase of commercial which was renovating old warehouses. Now that they are going commercial i see it being a success as surprisingly enough, commercial space has been very popular at the point.

Ogilvy, Old mutual, Ilanga, some small IT companies and soon to be home to Ithala, Tourism KZN and others. I am sure i probably missed out some. But according to Broll the rentals achieved at the point have been the second highest in Durban after the Umhlanga area...so clearly not doing badly...

^^ Tourism KZN? Thats awsome, what building do you think they moving into ?

I really do hope they break ground soon! I have faith but i feel that this one has taken so long to get anywhere.

Tourism KZN is one of 3 major tenants moving into Dolphin Whispers. See Dolphin Whispers thread. This should occur by mid-2011.

^^ Tourism KZN? Thats awsome, what building do you think they moving into ?

I really do hope they break ground soon! I have faith but i feel that this one has taken so long to get anywhere.

it has taken awhile due to launching later, sales not doing well (were expensive) then the crunch, cutting it out and now restarting with the office focus...lets see...

3 hotels on beach.

Mall will be the ground and first floor under all the buildings

cool, wonder if all the blocks will be linked. That would be a nice idea

^^ it was originally residential. they developed the first phase of commercial which was renovating old warehouses. Now that they are going commercial i see it being a success as surprisingly enough, commercial space has been very popular at the point.

Ogilvy, Old mutual, Ilanga, some small IT companies and soon to be home to Ithala, Tourism KZN and others. I am sure i probably missed out some. But according to Broll the rentals achieved at the point have been the second highest in Durban after the Umhlanga area...so clearly not doing badly...

commercial makes much more sense than residential. the area will be noisy and polluted. this is not as big an issue with commercial as buildings will be closed with aircon.

this also means that there is no need for the small craft harbour to attract residents to the pipe dream of walking out of an apartment onto a marina.

sanity is slowly starting to prevail........

I am baffled about your claim. How and why will the area be "noisy and polluted"? I have been a resident in the area for the past 3 years and its definitely has not been "noisy and polluted". I can't see that changing too much in the future.

sensational much ratty?

sensational much ratty?

oh yes - muchly sensational !:nuts:

I am baffled about your claim. How and why will the area be "noisy and polluted"? I have been a resident in the area for the past 3 years and its definitely has not been "noisy and polluted". I can't see that changing too much in the future.

Agree completely. They many times i have been there, both morning, noon and night I have found it to be so quiet and actually tranquil.

Not sure if you guys feel it but the area gives you a nice relaxed feeling when walking around or driving.

Really really love the Point and it brings me so much excitement seeing the beautiful new hotel and the potentially new East Point (which i hope begans soon soon)

you are seriously going to post this in every thread??

yes... :tongue4:

Ok so while down at ushaka noticed that they have updated the Point showcase boards. Here are better renders of the Seaside Quarter (there are actually a number of quarters listed). The boards show at least 4 office buildings, 2 residential and 3 hotels (all right on the beach)

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This is a sketch of the view from the ocean (basically at the Moyo bar viewpoint) looking at the 3 hotels on the beach and the bulk stretching back from here!

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Still love these houses!

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And this new hotel! Docklands

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That's exactly what I was hoping for, for that stretch of beach (when those horrible clubs have been knocked down)!
But I thought that was disappearing as part of the SCH?

^^ what do you mean? Those hotels have always been part of the scheme. the sch sits further on than them...so you see the beaches dont totally go like some would have you believe.

Actually sitting in Moyo today the waves were far more choppy where the sch will be built than this launch beach. Hence i do not get the fuss of putting the sch in there at all now.

Time for talking is over. We will win. they will adapt

Great link to the march 2010 Building Africa magazine where they have a long piece on the point

http://www.myvirtualpaper.com/doc/brookepattrick/ba_march_2010/2010022301/

New attraction for kids at Ushaka...

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One of Africa's largest jungle gyms now at uShaka Marine World

by Press Release 03 August 2010

Splash out at South Africa’s favourite seaside attraction! Durban’s Rayz Kids' World – a unique and exciting children's adventure island!

Designed for children between two and 10, Rayz offers a plethora of activities and interactive experiences to keep uShaka’s younger visitors occupied and give parents some time out.

The star attraction is undoubtedly one of Africa’s largest Jungle Gyms. Lively youngsters can enjoy a 10m high adventure with netted mazes, tunnels, stairways, link bridges, swings and so much more …

Then there’s the Water Canon Zone (little daredevils can ambush uShaka’s Duzi River tube riders with water cannons), Crabby Beach (this 20m long stretch of soft sand gives the age-old sand pit new meaning) and the Black Skulls Treasure Caveand Rayz Gold Diggers where young adventurers can sift through rocks and slush from the Lost Frogs swamp to find gems of their own.

The On Da Block Go Building Lounge - an educational Lego building lounge with a huge supply of building blocks - will entertain our up-and-coming little architects while the Creative Zone will amuse budding artists with anything from dough rolling to painting, to sticking together works of art!

Tired young ‘uns can crash and watch their favourite shows at the Lazy Lizards Lounge withbean bags shaped like liquorice and Jelly Tots and a large LCD screen.

Exhausted parents can recharge their batteries at the new and improved Duzi River lounge alongside uShaka’s Duzi River. The Aquanaughts play area inside the Duzi River Lounge lets under fives play in an underwater themed padded space.

Guppies Goo is ideal for Moms and water babies! Designed so you can relax and breastfeed or change your tiny tot in a clean, beautifully decorated environment, Guppies Goo also has nappies on hand and baby sanitary items well within reach.

These are just some of uShaka’s new seaside play treats. Rayz Kids’ World is open Monday to Sunday between 9am to 6pm and cost is R35 per child. For further information, log on to www.ushakamarineworld.co.za or phone 031 328 8000.


http://www.newsonline.co.za/article_detail.asp?Article_ID=2243

Any ideas on Point Bastille Phase 2 in Point Precinct ?

idea's as in?

I wasn't aware that there was even a phase 2 planned or possible. The old prison has been completely built over already.

There is same space left b/w Dolphin Whispers and Current Point Bastille Site(Phase I, Old Prison) which is going to be Point Bastille Phase 2 :cheers:

if i remember correctly it was to be a completely retail/commercial orientated extention. No point to it just yet until there is "feet" in the area

Well they are going to start earthworks before the end of the year for Phase 2. Building work will start in around Jan.2011 and hand over of the apartments before end of 2011.

Phase 2 will have 44 residential apartments, 4 retail shops and 9 lock up garages / storerooms.

Lets hope this gets sorted.
Durban Point redevelopment under discussion
Legal wrangling - and further threats of interdicts - could scupper Durban's multibillion-rand small craft harbour which is already four years behind schedule.

There are now doubts that it will ever go ahead in its present planned form, with allegations from the Durban Paddleski Club of "improper influence" in environmental approval and question marks over the legality of construction on the beach.

The Mercury believes that the Durban Point Redevelopment Company has drafted new plans - without a small craft harbour - which it has shown to a select few.

The Mercury has also had sight of a document minuting a meeting of the company and interested parties in July in which it states that there was talk that "... the small craft harbour be suspended for a period of time".

Sources who attended the meeting confirmed this, but the company head, Neels Brink, said the minutes were only a "snapshot" of a lengthy process, and he flatly denied that there were any official alternative plans for the area.

"I think someone is lying. There is no revised plan. And no intention of changing things. Not at all."

The paddleski club's Johnny Vassilaros, who has spearheaded the campaign against the development, says he has a copy of the minutes and the plans which indicate a "whole different concept".

"I have the new plans. They are supposed to be confidential. But I gave no such undertaking," he said.

"They do away with the northern breakwater which suggests that the small craft harbour is suspended."

But Brink, while conceding that the project was being delayed, largely through "the smoke and mirrors" of the paddleski club and Save Vetch's Association's legal action, said the company was pushing ahead with a superbasement - the first phase of the project.

"We will go on until a court stops us," he said.

And that is exactly what the club and the association aim to do because they say the development would damage the environment, be "exclusive" and stop ordinary people, including water sport enthusiasts, from accessing the area.

The saga is played out in papers in a court application to be heard in the Pietermaritzburg High Court in December in which the company - a joint partnership between Malaysian developers Renong and a trust owned by the city - is trying to evict the club from its prime site.

It says it has provisionally awarded the R17 million contract for the superbasement to Stocks Stefanutti to begin work this month. And the company says it has revised its initial plans for the superbasement to counter suggestions by the club that it was building below the high water mark on land owned by the state and for which permission had to be obtained from Parliament.

It says the revised plan means that only a temporary wall would have to be built below the high water mark in order to prevent flooding during construction.

But Vassilaros, in his affidavit, says this is still not permissible "and any attempt to commence building next month will be met with an interdict".

"The seashore and the seabed is state land and does not fall under the port authority who in July, 2007 gave the go-ahead (for construction) with no authority."

Vassilaros also questions the approval by the KZN Department of Agriculture and Environmental Affairs of an environmental impact assessment last year, as announced by then premier Sbu Ndebele, who said the project would result in a further R4 billion investment in the Point precinct and create thousands of jobs.

A review of this "suspicious" decision has been lodged, he says in his affidavit.

He claims the department over-rode its own expert, Sarah Allan, who recommended only approval for the landward development but not the seaward development because of concerns about the high water mark, flooding and erosion.

Speaking to The Mercury yesterday, Brink insisted that there was no valid dispute over the high water mark. "Quite simply, we are going ahead. We will do the landward side first and then the seaward side. Disaffected individuals are holding up a huge development that is in the best interests of the people of Durban."

Campbell Alexander, former commodore of the Point Yacht Club, said: "The ongoing dispute is debilitating the yacht club because we need to attract national, international and Olympic sailing events."

Hilton Kidger, of the Durban Skiboat Club, said he believed things were "fluid".

"One way or the other, the Point needs to be sorted out. It's a mess," Kidger said.

The Mercury

Hilton Kidger, of the Durban Skiboat Club, said he believed things were "fluid".

"One way or the other, the Point needs to be sorted out. It's a mess," Kidger said.

I couldn't agree more actually, and the first thing that needs to happen, in my opinion, is to get rid of any involvement of Mr Johnny Vassilaros in anything to do with the Point.. be it the clubs or the development or anything.

so its on hold till economic climate makes it viable, doesnt mean its cancelled, they will do other periferal development in teh mean time

to try keep the discussions on target - lets keep this for the land based portion of the development - i.e. the superbasement and mall and hotels which seem to be streaming forward.

and keep the small craft harbour controversial stuff in the other thread.

Thanks

ok starting to miss whats going on here, what is about to start construction, a superbasement for what on which plot?

As noted before, the superbasement is the massive basement for the 3 hotel sites which front the beach, the new 40,000m2 mall and the 3 office/2 residential buildings which will be above the mall.

i.e. everything you see in the below image is on top of this superbasement

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c128/dysan1/pointmall.jpg

So when are they starting with the "canal system with luxury apartments" and the Hotel?

the canals in the above phase are already built

so how does the super basement span the canal?

The canal is not very deep at all in that section

An article in today's Independent on Saturday (27 Nov, 2010; page 2) quotes Transnet CEO, Khomotso Philelela, confirming that Transnet wants to build an "integrated cruise liner passenger terminal at Durban's Point Waterfront".

Philelela said: "We are not looking to develop a cruise line passenger terminal on its own, but rather as an integrated development at the Point Waterfront and R5 million has been approved for a feasibility study, which we expect to take 6 months." He added that the basic infrastructure for such a development was already in place.

In the same report, Richards Bay's mayor also confirmed that Richards Bay was also looking to develop a dedicated passenger terminal.

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If this is integrated into the Point Waterfront, as proposed (and likely), this will totally transform the area. The new 4* Docklands Hotel would have prime views over this proposed development.

Would be fantastic to have a cruise terminal on one end of the Point peninsula, harbour mouth and entrance on the extreme end, and a small craft harbour on the 3rd side (if it gets the go-ahead), adjacent to beaches and the Golden Mile, with the Point Waterfront in the middle. Down the road would be the revamped Vic Embankment Waterfront (work has already commenced), while on the other side of the harbour mouth, in a few years down the line, will hopefully be the Bluff Development, if it gets the go-ahead.

Exciting times for Durbs!

^^more - and it could be a PPP investment of up to R2billion!

Cruise-liner terminal for Durban a step closer

SUREN NAIDOO
DURBAN is set to boast South Africa’s first dedicated integrated cruise-liner terminal, which could cost up to R2 billion to build and be ready by 2014, according to Transnet National Port Authority chief executive Khomotso Phihlela.
He was speaking to The Mercury on the sidelines of the launch of the Cruise Tourism Report by Minister of Tourism Marthinus van Schalkwyk aboard the MSC Sinfonia cruise liner docked in Durban Harbour.
Phihlela said a site next to the multibillion-rand Durban Point Waterfront development was seen as the prime location.
A cruise-liner passenger terminal has been touted for years with the makeshift N-Shed warehouse within the busy Durban port seen as less than ideal.
With the boom in cruise tourism out of Durban, and mounting pressure from MSC Cruises, the port authority has finally approved funding for a detailed feasibility study for a terminal.
“The study will develop a concept design and vision for the precinct. It will also identify what needs to be done to make it sustainable.
“This is why we are looking at an integrated cruise-passenger terminal adjoining the Durban Point Waterfront development at Berth C inside the harbour.
“We have approved R5 million for a six-month feasibility study to be undertaken between January and June next year,” said Phihlela.
“The study will present us with a way forward… We are looking at partnering with the private sector on such a development.
“After the study is complete, tenders inviting expressions of interest will go out and we hope to break ground and have a facility in place by 2014,” he added.
“The basic port infrastructure for such a development is already in place, so we are looking at an investment of not less than R500m and up to R2bn. This could be done as a public-private partnership with funding coming from Transnet, the private sector partner and the eThekwini municipality.
“The integrated cruise-passenger terminal would include shopping and touristy elements and could also house Transnet’s headquarters.
“We want to leverage off the Durban Point Waterfront and present cruise passengers with a top-notch |arrival and departures facility.
“Currently we are solely looking at Durban for such a facility, because of its high cruise-tourist numbers and growth potential. Cape Town has a rudimentary facility,” Phihlela said.
Stefano Vigoriti, managing director of MSC Cruises in South Africa, welcomed plans for the cruise-passenger terminal in Durban, but said it needed to be finalised and construction needed to start within three years.
“The feasibility study is a good first step and a passenger terminal does not take long to build.
“Insufficient infrastructure for cruise tourism in Durban won’t stall growth for now.
“However, the extraordinary growth over the last few years means authorities need to act now to have a facility built within the next three to four years.
“The lack of proper cruise-terminal infrastructure could inhibit growth in the future and business could go elsewhere,” he said.

SOURCE: The Mercury (29 January 2010)

FANTASTIC news! Thanks for posting. Now I can swallow not having a multi-billion rand harbour development being built at the Vic Embankment Waterfront. I was disappointed when I heard that the new development between Wilson's Wharf and Bat Centre would be restricted to a R100m development. However, that makes sense if the Point Waterfront is getting a massive development on its harbour-facing side. Wouldn't make sense if there were two massive harbour developments within a couple of kilometers of each other, and competing with each other. Of the city's two waterfronts, the one at the Point has much more potential, and I would prefer to see that one developed to its fullest. Would love to see renders etc now.

^^ i agree, it is fantastic news! More than that it has the potential to be far more successful than the Victoria Embankment waterfront project simply because of the size of the point and accessibility. It is a big step forward to hear minimum R500m - R2bn. And that Transnets HQ could be there is another big step for Durban, as alot of these offices are currently Joburg based when they should be at the coast.

The commitment from MSC and the cruise coimmunity is positive and signals Durban growing into a potential large cruise hub for the east/south african coast and indian ocean.

Look forward to reading the report on friday!

^^ i agree, it is fantastic news! More than that it has the potential to be far more successful than the Victoria Embankment waterfront project simply because of the size of the point and accessibility. It is a big step forward to hear minimum R500m - R2bn. And that Transnets HQ could be there is another big step for Durban, as alot of these offices are currently Joburg based when they should be at the coast.

The commitment from MSC and the cruise coimmunity is positive and signals Durban growing into a potential large cruise hub for the east/south african coast and indian ocean.

Look forward to reading the report on friday!

where will the report be published ?

What report are we talking about??

The cruise tourism report that all the press is talking about. It is to be publically released on friday. I am not sure where, but google it on friday :) or i will more than likely find it and post a link

Durban’s own 'Dinner in the Sky'

by Press Release 07 December 2010

An example of a European 'Dinner in the Sky'
S&A Marketing

Buckle up for the ultimate gourmet experience – 50m above uShaka Marine World! With 22 guests seated around a table that is suspended from a crane, ‘Dinner in the Sky’ for a unique culinary experience

Between 15 December and 5 January you will have the opportunity to experience a bird’s eye view of Durban’s Golden Mile while dining. uShaka is the first KwaZulu-Natal venue to host this lofty dining venue which has been the highlight of many a gourmet experience in Lisbon, London, Frankfurt, Düsseldorf, Dubai, Las Vegas and even Paris.

This is an experience which gives dining under the stars a whole new meaning, not to mention enjoying breakfast or lunch with your head in the clouds – quite literally. In addition, ‘Dinner in the Sky’ offers a whole new high for those planning anything from board meetings to weddings to end-of-year and New Year’s celebrations.

On arrival, guests are greeted with cocktails and champagne by our friendly “Dinner in the Sky Angels”. Once registration is complete, we’ll strap you in to your seat and prepare for a graceful lift off. Once you’ve reached between 40 and 50 metres above uShaka, our flying chef and his helpers will serve starters. As for the rest of the menu – well, the sky’s the limit. Popular dishes include sushi, a seafood platter or even steak flambé!

Meals cost between R150 and R500. For further information, log on to www.ushakamarineworld.co.za or phone (031) 328 8107 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (031) 328 8107 end_of_the_skype_highlighting to reserve your seat.


http://www.newsonline.co.za/article_detail.asp?Article_ID=2376

I wonder who the chef is for this little experience...

Was offered to go on the one in Jhb outside Monte. The menu really didnt look appealing. Sushi, steak and some other stuff.

http://i53.tinypic.com/2cymdzb.jpg

^^ these type of things are always more about the view and novelty than quality of the food

Yeah, thats the impression I get... which I think is entirely the wrong approach for them...

The view and the novelty are a given, but the food should also be absolutely TOP notch in my opinion....

I'd be up there for 2 minutes then need the loo!

Yeah, thats the impression I get... which I think is entirely the wrong approach for them...

The view and the novelty are a given, but the food should also be absolutely TOP notch in my opinion....

Thats the thing with me, its about the food! Plus the one at Monte was more expensive, R1000 pp and what view have you got there?

Hi, I'm new here, I pretty much keep up to date with developments at the point. Would love to own a flat there but cannot afford it, maybe someday I have my sights set on it.

Whilst reading up on the developments in the area it occured to me there is no mention of a school in the area? How cool would a private boarding school incorporating watersports be (just thinking forward for when I eventually have kids and can hopefully afford an apartment at point). hubby is just building his business and I'm still a student but we'll get there!

Hi Point Dreamer, welcome:)
Hope you get there, good luck!!

Welcome sister.

Welcome to the boards, Point Dreamer!

There is already a well-established public primary school immediately behind Ushaka, but no private school or high school (private or public) in the precinct, to my knowledge. Re: water activities, there is the South African Maritime School, which moved to the Point in Jan 2008. But that's a tertiary institution and doesn't offer boarding facilities, to my knowledge. However, what a great location for a boarding facility!

Hey point dreamer, welcome to the boards! Hope to see you adding your voice.

As Romansa mentions Addington Primary is there, but yes no high school. I think the high value of the land and the densities planned would completely rule out a high school for the area. However i think some higher learning institutions like advertising/design schools would be a great fit

Thanks for the warm welcome :) I'm at Ushaka beach a few times a week during the summer months and the development in the area always excites me. Cannot wait to see it in a few years time when most of it is complete and I am (hopefully) living there.

Cross-post from the Maritime thread...

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...just came across this classic pic and thought it deserved posting here: Durban harbour with the Sinfonia and Queen Mary docked simultaneously. Don't think two major cruise liners have docked simultaneously in Durbs before. Looks fantastic! This is what the city's harbour could look on a regular basis like if Transnet's proposed dedicated passenger (and new national HQ) gets the go-ahead. The only difference would be that both ships would be docked off the Point Waterfront, and tourists would be accessing the Waterfront directly from their ships...

http://www.iol.co.za/polopoly_fs/iol-news-queen-mary0012-1.1023191!/image/IOL%20news%20Queen_Mary0012.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_600/IOL%20news%20Queen_Mary0012.jpg?image=2

It would be epic if that happened....

Super pic that!! Its actually happened a few times this season with many of the global ships docking in port. At one point there was melody, sinfonia and a princess lines ship. But looking forward to more of this going forward with the new terminal. I hope we here more soon

Super pic that!! Its actually happened a few times this season with many of the global ships docking in port. At one point there was melody, sinfonia and a princess lines ship. But looking forward to more of this going forward with the new terminal. I hope we here more soon

has Trasnet confirmed that they are going to build the terminal ? I have heard about it and seen it mentioned in their 50 year plan. However they are also talking about cutting back spending on infrastructure....

Yes. Its currently under investigation for fast track before 2014

Yes. Its currently under investigation for fast track before 2014

that will make MSC happy.

has Trasnet confirmed that they are going to build the terminal ? I have heard about it and seen it mentioned in their 50 year plan. However they are also talking about cutting back spending on infrastructure....

Read the media reports on the previous page for more info, and for Transnet's CEO's stance on this issue.

Good to see that some of the newer developments in the Waterfront will be getting some attention soon...

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Durban Fashion’s Homecoming

Posted: June 1st, 2011
By Sandiso Ngubane
Posted in Events, News

Imagine Indian Ocean waves crashing in perfect harmony with the flowing of romantic frocks, just the way we remember Gavin Rajah making them? After two years without a fashion week showcase, Rajah is scheduled for a return to the ramp as some of the most celebrated Durban-born fashion designers return to the coast in what has been billed the city’s biggest creative homecoming.

Starting Thursday, The Durban Fashion Extravaganza will provide a platform for the city’s up-an-comers on day one, showcase invited design houses including Carducci and Liz Ogumbo (the Kenyan model, singer and designer) alongside big names like Craig Native, Kluk CGDT, Dax Martin as well as Craig Jacobs’ Fundudzi.

The event will take place at the Moyo pier on Durban’s Point Waterfront, making it the first ever fashion event to take place over the Indian Ocean.

A trunk sale will take place during the three day event at the Dockyard Hotel to provide retail space to the participating designers.

Tickets are retailing from R 200 at Computicket.


http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/thefrockreport/2011/06/01/durban-fashions-homecoming/

13 Jul 2011 The MercurySuren Naidoo Tax incentives extend to Point INTENT on bolstering investment in the Durban Point Waterfront and city centre, the eThekwini municipality has persuaded the National Treasury to expand the area covered by the Durban Urban Development Zone (UDZ) tax incentive scheme.


Durban’s UDZ has been increased from 668 hectares to 771ha and for the first time will cover the multibillionrand Durban Point Waterfront Development renewal precinct, as well as parts of Greyville, Warwick Triangle and Upper Congella.

The UDZ forms part of the government’s tax-break scheme aimed at supporting urban regeneration in South Africa’s major city centres. Under the scheme, landlords of inner-city buildings that are upgraded, and new property developments within the UDZ, could qualify for substantial tax write-offs.

“We really welcome the extension of the scheme to these additional areas, particularly the Durban Point, by the National Treasury,” said Fikile Ndlovu, the project manager handling the UDZ at the municipality’s Strategic Projects Unit.

She said Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan had published the approval of this extension in the Government Gazette on May 5.

“Securing the expansion of our UDZ area is a truly significant development. Now it’s just a matter of getting the message out there by marketing the new areas in the UDZ to prospective new investors and current landlords to take advantage of this window of opportunity before the scheme comes to an end in 2014.

“We envisage that it will see further major investment and development in the inner city, as well as reverse the displacement of capital from the inner city to other urban areas and the suburbs,” she said.

Ndlovu said more than R1.7 billion had been invested in the Durban UDZ to date – primarily in the CBD core around the Durban City Hall and Kingsmead Office Park – since the scheme was instituted in December, 2004.
Extension

“In addition to this, the municipality has invested over R5bn in the inner city to improve public infrastructure and implement flagship projects. Completed public sector projects include construction of the Warwick inbound and outbound flyovers; King’s Park Sporting Precinct, including the Moses Mabhida Stadium; the beachfront upgrade and the inner-city People Mover bus system,” she said.

“In 2008 the eThekwini municipality convened a national workshop on the UDZ scheme in order to secure support from other cities and to jointly lobby for the extension of the scheme beyond the 2009 expiry date. As a result, the incentive was extended by another five years to 2014,” she said.

“We are enhancing our marketing campaign to inform property owners and potential investors about the benefits of the UDZ incentive. We’ve had a good response in the past six years and believe this will be bolstered by the expansion of the UDZ area in Durban,” added Ndlovu.

Durban Point Development Company CEO Neels Brink hailed the UDZ expansion.

“This will add impetus to the Durban Point Development, where there is renewed demand for office and retail space. The inclusion into the UDZ presents lucrative financial tax benefits for prospective investors,” said Brink.

“This is great news,” said the CEO of the Durban Chamber of Commerce and Industry, Andrew Layman.

“It might stimulate owners to attend to their derelict buildings, especially in the Point area… Let’s hope this provides quick impetus to development in other parts of the inner city which are also affected adversely by urban decay.”

Best news about this area I've heard for months! Can't wait!

Now we just need the promenade to be done from Ushaka to the end of North Pier and we'll be able to walk, run, cycle from harbour mouth to river mouth (and once the promenade along Riverside Rd is completed, we'll have a couple more kms of promenade to play on)...

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Durban's North Pier to open by June next year

14 Nov 2011 13:30

The popular North Pier across the way from Durban's Golden Mile is to be re-opened to the public by June next year says a report in Ports and Ships.

Ports and Ships quotes Transnet National Ports Authority's Ricky Bhikraj as saying that the only thing holding up the re-opening of the pier is where cars will be able to park when visitors flock there.

North Pier allows people to have a reasonably close encounter with ships entering or leaving Durban and also enjoy the view across the bay. The pier was closed when the entrance channel was deepened from 13m of 16m and was widened to a minimum of 100m at its narrowest point.


http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/196/586/67126.html

Awesome awesome awesome news....

Def gonna make use of this once it happens.. I used to love going to the end of the pier and just watching the ships come and go...

we need a new pub there though! Are they talking about facilities?

Awesome awesome awesome news....

Def gonna make use of this once it happens.. I used to love going to the end of the pier and just watching the ships come and go...


piers are those structures where the surfers jump into the breakers along the beach front .....perhaps your on about the old breakwater:ohno: anyway...you have made it clear you hate the smell of fish around the areas where the fishermen operate....changed your orientation suddenly!!!



Sand-Shark... we need a new pub there though! Are they talking about facilities?


go to vetchies....plenty on offer....you might prefer it to those wooden garden shacks of the previous groyne.

piers are those structures where the surfers jump into the breakers along the beach front .....perhaps your on about the old breakwater:ohno: anyway...you have made it clear you hate the smell of fish around the areas where the fishermen operate....changed your orientation suddenly!!!



Sand-Shark... we need a new pub there though! Are they talking about facilities?


go to vetchies....plenty on offer....you might prefer it to those wooden garden shacks of the previous groyne.


Its called North Pier ffs......

And its rather a large location so I can avoid the smell of fish from the messy damn fisherman, so I haven't changed my orientation as much as you'd like to think so.

^^

without guessing its the New North Groyne.



basic guide to marine structure identification........

http://za.prdw.com/sites/default/files/DURBAN%20Harbour%20Entrace%20Widening%20and%20Deepening%20Rev%207%202011-07-08.pdf

A groyne (groin in the United States) is a rigid hydraulic structure built from an ocean shore (in coastal engineering) or from a bank (in rivers) that interrupts water flow and limits the movement of sediment. In the ocean, groynes create beaches, or avoid having them washed away by longshore drift.

A pier is a raised structure, including bridge and building supports and walkways, over water, typically supported by widely spread piles or pillars. The lighter structure of a pier allows tides and currents to flow almost unhindered, whereas the more solid foundations of a quay or the closely spaced piles of a wharf can act as a breakwater, and are consequently more liable to silting.

*breathes*

Whatever YOU want to call it, go for it. Us normal ppl don't really give two tosses what you think.

Its commonly known as North Pier in this city, and that is the way it will stay.

^^ true toxic lol

new retail will form as part of the new developments that will line the harbour mouth. so we need to wait for them.

The vetchies "bars" are are more sordid and filthy than those in the back streets of south beach. Catch some Hep off the plate or glass.

new retail will form as part of the new developments that will line the harbour mouth. so we need to wait for them.

The vetchies "bars" are are more sordid and filthy than those in the back streets of south beach. Catch some Hep off the plate or glass.

easy tiger - someone at DUC may invite you to take a long walk off a short pier if you sprout that kind of drivel in public .....

hey i have been to that bar a few times and even said it to the guys in there

hey i have been to that bar a few times and even said it to the guys in there

i guess that the DUC pub isnt suitable for 'precious' folks ....

But jokes aside i guess that it is cheap because it is a bit 'rustic'. isnt the restuarant at the Umhlanga lifesaving club the same ?

DUC has signed the MOA and is in fact one of the clubs most in favour getting on with building the new club.

*breathes*

Whatever YOU want to call it, go for it. Us normal ppl don't really give two tosses what you think.

Its commonly known as North Pier in this city, and that is the way it will stay.

have YOU and your fan club:grouphug: got a name then for the south breakwater that is also unique to global marine terminology.....

I vote South Pier because: a) I don't really think it matters, and b) it is a little more south than North Pier.

wow so picky on terminology? so what if the correct name is not used. its what people call it and people know what it is refering to.