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It's no good, I've looked into it and the sun sets way off to the right, nowhere near the city centre. Think you need to be up Harrop Edge Road area at the top end of Stalybridge for the angles to work.

It depends on the time of the year. I've got some photos from Werneth Low of the sun dropping right over the City Centre in April. On most of the Pennine foothills you'll get a sunset behind the City at some point - you may not get as many building lights on though.

These are useful, showing where on the horizon the sun will set from a given point at a given date.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4071/4251244325_35083217c5.jpg

If anyone wants to suggest locations I can line my sunset compass up against an OS map and see when the sun will drop over Manc.

Thanks very much Peeks. I didn't realise it varied that much, you're right though, I reckon it should set over Manchester when viewed from my Hartshead pike location around February (or October/November). I was always up there during May/June/July/August and it was always way off as your device confirms. It's a shame I've just got this knowledge after I sold all my gear!

That is exactly the sort of thing that I would buy and never use.

So, Hartshead Pike sometime in the next month would be ideal for 'sunset behind mancunia' skyline panorama. Just need a day with perfect visibility and nothing much else to do. If everything conspired it's certainly a possible.

It depends on the time of the year. I've got some photos from Werneth Low of the sun dropping right over the City Centre in April. On most of the Pennine foothills you'll get a sunset behind the City at some point - you may not get as many building lights on though.

These are useful, showing where on the horizon the sun will set from a given point at a given date.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4071/4251244325_35083217c5.jpg

If anyone wants to suggest locations I can line my sunset compass up against an OS map and see when the sun will drop over Manc.

Classic Pagan gear there?

Totally awesome druid sun-rise equipment, sold at all good neolithic tourist shops!

Good for house buying as well, making sure you can make full benefit of our lovely sun?

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Manchester has an awesome skyline!! anbody else got any?? :)

Manchester has an awesome skyline!! anbody else got any?? :)

There is an entire thread full of them...

Manchester has an awesome skyline!! anbody else got any?? :)

No it doesn't. Not yet anyway.Please have a look around the forum Karl because most of this stuff has already been posted.

Manchester does have a good skyline, you have to put it into context of what the city is, an unplanned industrial city, built on top of the beginnings of a planned Georgian town, to make money for private investors, not to make anything particularly beautiful for people to look at.

It's skyline is a great example of what it is.

Manchester does have a good skyline, you have to put it into context of what the city is, an unplanned industrial city, built on top of the beginnings of a planned Georgian town, to make money for private investors, not to make anything particularly beautiful for people to look at.

It's skyline is a great example of what it is.

You know that. But others don't. I'm not starting an argument like others do in the city talk forum. Imo, there is no decent skyline in the UK at the moment. But I don't care because Manchester is more to me than a view from a distance. The point I was making was the fact that Karl here has been busy posting pictures that everyone has seen. Karl, please stop spamming the forums - Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Birmingham etc with photos from flikr. Please put them in the designated skylines threads. Thanks. Someone had to say it.

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^^^ Some one rich (preferably one of citys owners) just slam a 200 metre tower between the city tower and the arndale and the whole city will transform

Great photos by the way.

On the subject of Hartshead Pike, where do people park? I've only been there once and ended up almost grounded out on a heavily potholed bit of track thinking there must be some kind of small car park somewhere. I ended up parking outside someone's house on a dirt track. Is there anywhere better?

Yes Karl there are threads already created for many of the things you have posted, please use them. :)

I normally drive over to the far side of the Pike, attack it from the Mossley side. The following map shows where I park up, it's then just a short stroll up to the actual Pike. It is full of craters on the short Lily Lanes section but it's fine if you take a slow route between the holes.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&ll=53.519945,-2.059186&spn=0.004395,0.012821&t=h&z=17&msid=214216781114837459228.00049a1e37f7312195622

http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af115/unremarkabley/skylinetrain1sm.jpg

This morning. Same view as usual, different lighting!:

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Some of you might be interested in something a bit more hi-tec than the sunrise/sunset compass - have a look at The Photographer's Ephemeris (http://photoephemeris.com/). Free for the desktop version but a small charge (I think) for the ipod app.

Nice photo. Taken from Adelphi Court, Cannon/Silk St?

I got it from Flickr :ohno: sorry I forgot to put the tag on there

Some of you might be interested in something a bit more hi-tec than the sunrise/sunset compass - have a look at The Photographer's Ephemeris (http://photoephemeris.com/). Free for the desktop version but a small charge (I think) for the ipod app.

Great find bud, thanks very much. Looks like it's the 19th of Feb for the perfect skyline sunset shot. (or 22nd of October)

Nice photo. Taken from Adelphi Court, Cannon/Silk St?

Thanks. I took it from my balcony in Blackfriar Court :)

Big pano. Using Hugin: http://hugin.sourceforge.net/download/

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Thanks. I took it from my balcony in Blackfriar Court :)

We were almost distant neighbours once (over a decade ago). I lived on the top (15th) floor of Bramall Court as a student, on the side facing Blackfriars and the city centre(ish)!

Great views and even better exercise when the lifts broke down :lol:
Will have to dig out the photos and acan them in (no digital camera back then!)

Big pano. Using Hugin: http://hugin.sourceforge.net/download/

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Shame they built those common as muck barrett type houses on the right.

^^

It's just one of many examples of bad planning and awful forward-thinking by Salford City Council. Could be wrong but they probably won't be there in 50 years time ...

Well when it was an urban wasteland when they were built I'm sure there were just glad of the investment. Personally I like them, I look at that picture and think it needs more houses. The area needs more of a foundation as a neighbourhood, more personality & streets.

Well when it was an urban wasteland when they were built I'm sure there were just glad of the investment. Personally I like them, I look at that picture and think it needs more houses. The area needs more of a foundation as a neighbourhood, more personality & streets.

Correct, there is nothing wrong with a mixture of styles, although I would have preferred a more "urban" style of row houses.

As for skylines, there's a tremendous view of the centre on Rochdale Rd as it drops down the hill after crossing Victoria Avenue.

Go on google street view and drive down the road then zoom into city centre as it comes into view.

We were almost distant neighbours once (over a decade ago). I lived on the top (15th) floor of Bramall Court as a student, on the side facing Blackfriars and the city centre(ish)!

Great views and even better exercise when the lifts broke down :lol:
Will have to dig out the photos and acan them in (no digital camera back then!)

I was in Pear tree Court Pendleton 10 years ago. In a top floor flat that was pinned together with brackets. They're empty now, unless there's another batch of refugees who end up being housed there (as they were in Ruthin Court after that had been condemned). Be good to see you're old photos

^^

It's just one of many examples of bad planning and awful forward-thinking by Salford City Council. Could be wrong but they probably won't be there in 50 years time ...

I still think theres a relaxed vibe around Vancouver Quay around those 3 story houses and apartments. They've definately got more of a quayside feel to them than the souless tin and glass buildings that are scattered about. i love Spinningfields but the Quays highrises seems to be a bit of an eyesore and they've never looked impressive as a skyline view. theres even a pink building there with the Blakes 7 logo

The red brick flats (Labrador Quay, Vancouver Quay, Winnipeg Quay) show the change that has occurred in Manchester over the past 20 years. When they were built high rise residential apartment blocks (privately owned ones anyway) just didn't exist. Density and quality has improved over the years.

^^

It's just one of many examples of bad planning and awful forward-thinking by Salford City Council. Could be wrong but they probably won't be there in 50 years time ...

beauty really is in the eye of the beholder! I personlly think that Salford/Peel haven't done a bad job! At least there is something interesting too look at and all of the builldings are not plain and boring - what would you have done different if you were the architect employed on this scheme?

beauty really is in the eye of the beholder! I personlly think that Salford/Peel haven't done a bad job! At least there is something interesting too look at and all of the builldings are not plain and boring - what would you have done different if you were the architect employed on this scheme?

For me, the style of the buildings in the quauys isn't the problem. Its diffinately a good thing to have a mixture of styles even if some of the buildings are atrocious (sovereign point). The main problem for me is the way the buildings interact at ground level. Having a secure car park may be a nice thing to have, but the fact that the buildings are all behind fences means the whole of the quays is like a ghosttown.

There is also a number of lost opportunities such as the 'outlet mall'. That place needs flattening and starting from scratch. The way it behaves at street/ water level is criminal.

^^

It's just one of many examples of bad planning and awful forward-thinking by Salford City Council. Could be wrong but they probably won't be there in 50 years time ...

They were one of the 1st built on the Quays, circa around 1988 IIRC.

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:drool: ^^ :cheers:

Was in Stalybridge Country Park yesterday, having a picnic in the sun on the bank between Walkerwood and Brushes Reservoirs and you get a great (but a little hazy) view towards the city centre, then obviously the views got better as we went up Wild Bank Hill!

Will take a camera next time though! Some great shots to be had! :)

Here's an idea of the views I had, from a pic on flickr - skyline looks great with water in front of it though when looking from the banks of the resevoir closest to the camera:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2269/2223285454_982d689113.jpg

Was in Stalybridge Country Park yesterday, having a picnic in the sun on the bank between Walkerwood and Brushes Reservoirs and you get a great (but a little hazy) view towards the city centre, then obviously the views got better as we went up Wild Bank Hill!

Will take a camera next time though! Some great shots to be had! :)

Whats the hill called that we got to from going through Stamford Park in Stalybridge? It had a little stone column, it was nice round there. Twas great to get out of Manchester and into the countryside

Whats the hill called that we got to from going through Stamford Park in Stalybridge? It had a little stone column, it was nice round there. Twas great to get out of Manchester and into the countryside

You sure you mean Stamford Park, or is it Cheetham Park?! :)

Must mean cheetham park as he mentions the stone column, it's the graffiti wall bit is it ?

You sure you mean Stamford Park, or is it Cheetham Park?! :)

I think you're right. Hough hill i've been told the hill is called. Was up there when it'd snowed. Twas knackering :)

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top pix Vortey...like how winter hill is in the middle of this one

cheers vortus..you put me onto this fella !!

http://www.andrewbrooksphotography.com


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In UK (provincial) standards, that is one mother of a downtown!

cheers vortus..you put me onto this fella !!

http://www.andrewbrooksphotography.com


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What kind of aperture/shutter settings does one set to get an effect like this?

Lovely photo. I'd imagine it's taken with a low f number and a shutter speed of about 1 second (judging by the movement of the car headlights).

Often photos have something called EXIF data embedded in them so you can see the exact settings the taker has used. If you're using Firefox you can download a plugin that will let you right click on a photo and see all the EXIF data. It's the best way to learn.

high f number/small aperture, something around f/22 I would imagine

What kind of aperture/shutter settings does one set to get an effect like this?

From knowing how Andrew Brooks works, there's a good chance that the image is a composite of dozens of images rather than a single exposure.

high f number/small aperture, something around f/22 I would imagine


That's errr what I meant. You'll notice the majority of my photos are not in focus.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8308/salhf.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/henry_hemming/5631342920/

^^

Not bad for a mere city centre district ;)

cheers vortus..you put me onto this fella !!

http://www.andrewbrooksphotography.com


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Just thinking, if Wakefield Tower, Intercontinental and Piccadilly Tower ever came to fruition would they create a cluster near the Beetham (from that angle at least)? Could someone maybe do a quick mock up on paint to show their scale, positioning and height? :cheers:

They're never happening so pointless. Plus Picc Tower would be right of the CIS in that pic.

From Flickr:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5109/5619689065_e0f95949dd_b.jpg

Lovely photo. I'd imagine it's taken with a low f number and a shutter speed of about 1 second (judging by the movement of the car headlights).

Often photos have something called EXIF data embedded in them so you can see the exact settings the taker has used. If you're using Firefox you can download a plugin that will let you right click on a photo and see all the EXIF data. It's the best way to learn.
Excellent got that add on cheers

I disagree with thecityofgold, if you just look at exif data from other people's photos all you will learn is what settings they used for that photo, but you won't know anything about the lighting conditions when it was taken or anything else tbh.

Much better to buy yourself a decent book on exposure.

This one is the best I've seen on the market. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Understanding-Exposure-Photographs-Digital-Camera/dp/0817463003

From Scout Moor wind farm (19.22 kmtb):
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The reservoir below the wind farm (18.87 kmtb):
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top pix - bet it was windy

All these sunny days and that dam will drop.

From Flickr:

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From Wing Yip carpark top level. Tropical Manchester:

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Good Shot tCoG.

You can see the new Northern Qurater hotel (Holiday Inn?) between the chimney and the Arndale. I noticed it this morning. It looks almost complete externally, but I couldn't grab a photo as I was driving.

Love the palm trees.

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must be a decent skyline view from chester house

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44340545@N05/4095164166/

from the same site..not full skyline though

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ooops - came out a bit big

Thankfully those flats have been reclad now.

Back to the Manchester Skyline.

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,13989_6958052,00.html

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Apologies to anyone sick of seeing the same view over and over, but today the light was very good and I managed to get a much sharper photo than I've done before. You can just about read the writing on the side of Great Northern Warehouse.

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No need to apologise bud, really love your skyline picture. Taken diametrically opposite from mine a while back. You can even see the pike above the yellow topped tower crane in the centre of the picture.

Took this photograph a while ago..but I feel it reflects the city from a different perspective...

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Took this photograph a while ago..but I feel it reflects the city from a different perspective...

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It such a shame the Irwell(is it the Irwell?) doesn't carry on through the city centre that wide.

Also. The Wakefield Street Tower will be to the right of Beetham. Should make a good addition to the skyline from here.

It such a shame the Irwell(is it the Irwell?) doesn't carry on through the city centre that wide.

Also. The Wakefield Street Tower will be to the right of Beetham. Should make a good addition to the skyline from here.

Will bare that in mind jrb..will take the same shot again when The Wakefield is built.

Duplicate

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Nice one. Enjoying the many different layers in this photo. :)

Nice one. Enjoying the many different layers in this photo. :)


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If the picadilly tower went up, and also having 17 wakefield and the co op thingy in there, we would have the 2nd best skyline in the world. however if the intercontintal tower went up we would have the worlds best, just beating Hong Kong.
I can see why some people may think I have too much civil pride, but lets be honest its true.

:lol:

:lol:

Isn't that the Irk?

Noooo. That's the Irwell come Ship Canal. Think it becomes the Ship Canal just outside town.

Isn't that the Irk?

The irk is a glorified stream

Tom Swailes:

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Call me insane but once 17 NWS is completed you will looking at a mini Chicago from that angle.

Your insane :lol:

Aye lol

I wouldn't say insane, but I would recommend you actually see a photograph of Chicago first..

Or visit it

Wasn't sure where to put this.... The Umist campus newly built 1960's...
also notice the BT building - now Macdonald hotel just starting construction
Also the London rd roundabout n subways before flyover was built in late 80's early 90's - cant remember which.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/seva_nmb/5455138829/sizes/l/in/photostream/

Chandos u/c

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Wow! When was the Mancunian Way overpass built?

Also the London rd roundabout n subways before flyover was built in late 80's early 90's - cant remember which.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/seva_nmb/5455138829/sizes/l/in/photostream/

pretty sure was late 80's

God it's like looking at someone's attempt at a Sim city, where they can't get passed the shitty office block phase...To be a fly on the wall when schemes like this, all over the country, where considered forward thinking.

Common vantage point, but I managed to get a boat on the shot too - woo!

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6135/5967929335_9af0d110f4_o_d.jpg

from flickr

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Wasn't sure where to put this.... The Umist campus newly built 1960's...
also notice the BT building - now Macdonald hotel just starting construction
Also the London rd roundabout n subways before flyover was built in late 80's early 90's - cant remember which.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/seva_nmb/5455138829/sizes/l/in/photostream/

Nice shot of the old Hacienda building... #memories #goodolddays

Common vantage point, but I managed to get a boat on the shot too - woo!

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...if Manchester was a waterfront city....

That is water isn't it? :)

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Love that last one Voldemort - is that one of yours or a found one?

A found one - off Flickr :)

Salford;

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Ah thats Bramall Court there on the left! And the very top left window you can just make out was my bedroom 10 years ago! Good views from the 15th floor! :)

Wow I'll bet! I've always wanted to live in one of those flats in Pendleton (but do it up of course) just for the view, cause I bet it's immense.

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Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuartmichaeldavis/6083466975/) by stuinmcr (http://www.flickr.com/people/stuartmichaeldavis/), on Flickr

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Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuartmichaeldavis/6083490211/) by stuinmcr (http://www.flickr.com/people/stuartmichaeldavis/), on Flickr

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Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuartmichaeldavis/6084052882/) by stuinmcr (http://www.flickr.com/people/stuartmichaeldavis/), on Flickr

A long-time follower here with some shots of the city from the 20th floor of Portland Tower. I was working there today but as you can see the weather wasn't great and the images aren't all that, but they do show the scale and density of the place quite well I think.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6205/6083490211_ef0981838e_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuartmichaeldavis/6083490211/)
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Great pics Stuin! Does anyone else think that car park in China Town should get turned into a lovely Chinese Garden, with like that iconic Chinese hut and a little "river" and everything in it? I think it'd be great :cheers:

pretty sure was late 80's

IIRC, for the A635(M) Mancunian Way Flyover, it was early 1990s. Motorway Archive Trust quotes 1992, when construction began, but the Statutory Instrument is dated 1995 (confirming completion).

With a distance of 290 metres (eastbound) and 280 metres (westbound) it is officially the UK's shortest motorway.

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Nice photo, the City Centre looks great from that angle.

Those pictures show the amout of stunning Victorian buildings Manchester has. That fact has always been lost on some non Manc forum members.

Wow I'll bet! I've always wanted to live in one of those flats in Pendleton (but do it up of course) just for the view, cause I bet it's immense.

Views are ace. I used to live in Thorn Court.

Wow. I wonder how many people buy those for cheap and then turn it into a luxury apartment or something? Especially in Thorn Court and that other identical one, they look nice from the outside too!

Anyway, I posted this on the City Talk forum and it seems to have gone down well, no jeering for once about how we have no skyline (which, tbh, we don't, but you just wait ten years!)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6021/5917317368_a7e10747aa_b.jpg


that manc pic is a stunner, love how the beetham just dominates at night. Im hoping that in the next 10 or more years the Manc skyline will beef up with some more 100 + highrises. Im from London and hope in the future we can have some competition with the other regional city skylines.

A bit blurry that image of Manchester, but I like the hustle and bustle of the curry mile in the foreground, a vibrant road that maintains the vibrancy right up to the distant city centre, add an international sized scraper into the mix as well

proper city

Nice crisp photo of Leeds as well :)

Posted this in the City Talk, thought it would be appropriate to post it here to give you all the background knowledge onto Manchester's skyline;


http://www.edwud.com/photos/manchester_skyline_from_salford_quays.jpg

I know it's an old topic, but I'd like to reintroduce you to the fact that really tall buildings never appear on Manchester's skyline wheras they would on other skylines. You see the building popping it's little head up inbetween the Hilton and the Great Northern (i.e. the slanted building just left of the Hilton?) You don't? Well, it has a yellow side to it .. Ah, you see it now?

Well that's the Portland Tower.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3018/2806525071_2243cd54a6.jpg

This 21 storey brutalist tower would sore in any other city, but here, it doesn't unfortunately.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by Manchester's really tall buildings.

Portland Tower on its own in any other city would just have the same effect as a tall block of flats in the suburbs. None at all.

Beetham Tower looks tall on the skyline precisely because it is. Portland Tower really isn't tall at 80 meters by comparison. It doesn't even look tall from the street. The new Co-op HQ at just over 70 meters can barely be seen at all from Oldham Road next to the CIS.

Apart from Beetham Tower, I don't think Manchester is in any position to boast about tall buildings, and dare I say it, never will be. There are, and will be some decent angles captured in the future, but it will never be an vertical city.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by Manchester's really tall buildings.

Portland Tower on its own in any other city would just have the same effect as a tall block of flats in the suburbs. None at all.

Beetham Tower looks tall on the skyline precisely because it is. Portland Tower really isn't tall at 80 meters by comparison. It doesn't even look tall from the street. The new Co-op HQ at just over 70 meters can barely be seen at all from Oldham Road next to the CIS.

Apart from Beetham Tower, I don't think Manchester is in any position to boast about tall buildings, and dare I say it, never will be. There are, and will be some decent angles captured in the future, but it will never be an vertical city.

We are talking about the UK here?

Portland is `only' 80m makes it a beast in every UK city bar London.

In the Top 5 of all the core cities or higher than any in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Newcastle etc...

So, the point is very valid.

Manchester is very dense throughout the urban core. The land is flat yet the talls hardly poke out because the urban mass is very dense indeed.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/6083056582/

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That's a different perspective on the far northern side of the city centre, great find Jerb, looks like it's from Islington Wharf

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:drool:

Is that taken looking from Oldham? I took these (albeit awful quality) from my room in Royton during and after construction.

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo148/Royton_Blue/BeethamTower.jpg

I have no idea it's not my photo, but judging by which direction Beetham is facing and the fact that the CIS is right in front of it, it's definately from a location out eastwards.

Some iPhone photos from earlier today, mates flat in Old Trafford.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/golddigga19/b7c31900.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/golddigga19/3ef2f34e.jpg

http://www.residentadvisor.net/images/events/flyer/2011/uk-1021-283113-front.jpg

Manchester Confidential.

http://www.manchesterconfidential.co.uk/i/GXM/3W36_M.jpg

Salford

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3291/3134564951_849b265c09_b.jpg

Does anybody know where that photo is, its taken from the west side of GM (I think) and it was taken before the beetham was completed. It shows the CIS, City tower and the Arndale in a cluster?
If I recall correctly.

was from? http://static.flickr.com/

http://static.flickr.com/42/123119014_8fa7e76e96.jpg?v=0
Just imagine if the beetham was placed inbetween CIS and City tower.
Manchesters skyline had so much potential to look stunning.

was from? http://static.flickr.com/

Just imagine if the beetham was placed inbetween CIS and City tower.
Manchesters skyline had so much potential to look stunning.
Looks similar to views at the top of the hill near me but not quite, I live at the bottom of werneth low bu maybe could ask the guy who took t pic on flicker?

Does anybody know where that photo is, its taken from the west side of GM (I think) and it was taken before the beetham was completed. It shows the CIS, City tower and the Arndale in a cluster?
If I recall correctly.

This one? :)

http://musically.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Manchester-Skyline.gif

This one?

No it was taken quite far away, maybe 10miles+ and over the buildings you can see the snow ontop of the pennines.
It looked very 'American'.

Salford

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Where's that taken from?

Is it not possible to take a picture of Manchester City Centre as well from the same spot, or am I missing something?

Where's that taken from?

Is it not possible to take a picture of Manchester City Centre as well from the same spot, or am I missing something?

Again not my photo it's from Flickr, but judging by the positioning of MediaCity with Eccles almost directly behind it, and the fact that you can see the M60 in the foreground, i'd say Bredbury area?

Manchester city centre would be to the right of this photo, however there'd be a large gap inbetween so a bit of stitching would have to be done and the impact of the full skyline wouldn't be as good.

My new desktop

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Not my picture.

Where's that taken from?

Is it not possible to take a picture of Manchester City Centre as well from the same spot, or am I missing something?

Possibly Werneth Low, 279m elevation near Hyde.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/garryshepperd/6110150397/

:cheers:

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Victorian Red Brick Cracker. :cheers:

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You're posting some jizztastic shots tonight jrb, keep it up! :)

Brings a tear to the eye.

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And not a Beetham in sight either. Look how small No1 Deansgate looks too.

Taken today from Werneth Low. It was too hazy to get a decent photo from such a distance, but this location and the hills around it are IMHO the best place to take a 'full' panorama of Manchester.

The photo takes in Old Trafford at the left through Salford Quays, the City Centre, and COMS to the right. It is striking how much SQ looks like a cluster and how that cluster nearly merges with the City Centre proper.

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Look at all of that riverside walkway at the bottom of the Renaissance, that nobody ever uses. Even if this building doesn't get dropped in the near future and there are certain parts of it that I genuinely like, something really should be done about the lack of inter-action at street and Irwell levels, as it sits in a really important, large and central sight.

Obviously West had plans which look dead and Irwell River Park would look to be incorporated, so this has been mooted. The sooner the better I'd say, as Chapel Street starts to come more in to play.

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Look at all of that riverside walkway at the bottom of the Renaissance, that nobody ever uses.

The walkway leads to a grotty car park. Which is why nobody uses it. That photo from the roof of City Heights makes it look a million times more pleasant than it actually is.

The relationship between Manchester and the Irwell is laughable. It might as well be a sewer for all that the city relates to it.

The walkway leads to a grotty car park. Which is why nobody uses it.

Exactly, it's PRIME, just off Deansgate. There should be shops and cafes down there, restaurants overlooking. Like Left Bank, only with smaller independent outlets that could create a whole new little riverside destination for the city. The Deansgate side is no better, nor was it IMO when shops ran up the ramp from Bridge St end.

Omg, this one is sexy.

http://i53.tinypic.com/315mtna.jpg

Proper glass skyscrapers

Its a good job the CIS is powered by solar panels , every light burning, lol

Taken today from Werneth Low. It was too hazy to get a decent photo from such a distance, but this location and the hills around it are IMHO the best place to take a 'full' panorama of Manchester.

Great shot TCOG. I fully agree, there's a great view from up there. Here's a link to my dodgy gigapan from a couple of years ago. A very similar view to yours and it would have been better if I knew how to set up a tripod! (you need to zoom in to see the detail)

Manchester Pano from Werneth Low (http://gigapan.org/gigapans/31342/)

Still a skyline shot but not one that we're used to. This is my video, taken with my friends when we went to the top of Shudehill car park yesterday. As well as being breathtaking watching the sunset over this beautiful city, it was really great to watch, and listen, to the world go by beneath us.

City Tower & CIS both look stunning, and the Northern Quarter looks vast.

View (http://tinypic.com/r/x3zwq1/7)

Great shot TCOG. I fully agree, there's a great view from up there. Here's a link to my dodgy gigapan from a couple of years ago. A very similar view to yours and it would have been better if I knew how to set up a tripod! (you need to zoom in to see the detail)

Manchester Pano from Werneth Low (http://gigapan.org/gigapans/31342/)

Your pano is definitely better than mine yesterday, more detail. It's interesting to see the additions to the skyline in the interim, 17 Wakefield, the CO-OP, and a complete Media City Heart building.

I'm going to be keeping a watch on the weather and will get back up on a clearer day. There is a very good photo to be had from that position. I doubt I have the skill or equipment to take it, but I plan on giving it a go.

I too was in Manchester yesterday, and the city looked absolutely stunning as the sun was setting and illuminating all the buildings. We were at the Mediacity and got the tram into the city centre, everything looked ace and I got a few glimpses of Wakefield making itself known (although still not very prominent on the skyline overall).

I think that picture of Voldermort's shows why Manchester needs (more) skyscrapers, at least we know that some future projects are about to kick start that whilst not changing the skyline, will certainly add to that dense city vibe.

‘sexy' and ‘jizztastic’ http://fuk.co.uk/misc/smileys/icon_confused.gif

What can I say; Manchester turns me on.

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Sorry, I dont know whos it is but this is the photo I was on about.
I said it was taken from somewhere west of Manchester, silly me, but it loks like somewhere north?
I dont know what it is about this photo but it just looks special, the view from this angle in 2 years would be amazing if you think what its missing.

Sorry, I dont know whos it is but this is the photo I was on about.
I said it was taken from somewhere west of Manchester, silly me, but it loks like somewhere north?
I dont know what it is about this photo but it just looks special, the view from this angle in 2 years would be amazing if you think what its missing.

No it's somewhere from the south. Definately.

Bare mountains in the back there, wow!

From the System One Travelcards website;


http://edwud.com/photos/manchester_skyline_at_night.jpg

Looking at the picture Saul postyed, going by the position of CIS, City Tower and Arndale, its taken from the sorth. The big snowcaped hills suggest its taken from the south. Maybe the photo's been flipped?

No it's somewhere from the south. Definately.

Bare mountains in the back there, wow!

Its clearly from the west. Probably Swinton or somewhere.

And what a photo it is

Dunno, you can see the Travel/Premier Inn (with the blue/purple lift shaft) on Victoria bridge street to the right of the Arndale if you look closely. Taken from the west a fair bit of Salfords skyline would get in the way

Defo North west, possibly on the hills around Bolton.

Google earth says it was taken between Bury and Bolton, so North westish I guess?
Its definitely not south.

Yep def N.West with the arndale in front of city tower and CIS to the left. Those hills will be the peak district I guess.

The hill with the monument on it to the West of Bury is my guess.

The problem with that view is that it's actually a very small portion of the city centre. If you wanted to incorporate the newer buildings the shot would need to be much wider, losing the tidy cluster effect.

blocky skyline

it needs an iconic creation.

Manchester looks like a city at its centre where only blue collars have access :mad:

Manchester looks like a city at its centre where only blue collars have access :mad:

Nothing wrong with blocky. At least it has a distinctive character.

What does the above mean?

A centre which looks like it's primarily for the working class, I think.

Anyway, Manchester city centre is very much about the street-level experience - which is pretty fabulous - and shouldn't be judged on its skyline. (Even though it has the most talls in the UK outside London.)

The hill with the monument on it to the West of Bury is my guess.

Yep, Peel Tower near Ramsbottom. There's a cracking picture from there on Picasa by MSFOTO, much the same viewpoint as the one posted earlier but much wider.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/30699331

^^
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/30699331.jpg

You can see my school's sports & CDT hall on that :')

Not bad considering it was taken with my Samung Galay S.(panoramic settting/8 sperate pictures)

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I love the density you get when arriving/departing from Manchester Victoria, I think its one of few vista's where all the buildings nestle into each other and give a great sense of height and depth. I tried to take pictures yesterday but my mobile doesn't seem to like taking pictures anymore :(

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From looking at that picture, you can see why Manchester is twinned with LA.

Manchester City Centre looks a bit like Downtown LA, with the mountains in the background.

Also the sprawl is very similar to Los Angeles too!

Good picture :)

http://www.rwongphoto.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/la-skyline-mt-baldy.jpg

Ignorus

http://www.timezoneoneblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/denver-skyline.jpg

That photo did look very 'American'
More Denver than LA I think.

^^

I agree with that, it does like very similar to the picture of Denver posted above.

I think Downtown LA might be too dense to be comparable to central Manchester.

Manchester is still best city though :). But we all know it is the best city in the world anyway :).

Some cracking new Manchester skyline pics have been added to Flickr.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6102/6275689425_8875b1c4d7_b.jpg

Salford Quays/Mediacity in the distance/haze.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6044/6276213490_8aa24c71b0_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6099/6275690067_d63143f8ae_b.jpg

CBD in front of Beetham. Wakefield Street tower + crane to the left of Piccadilly Tower.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6053/6276213658_2353a276c7_b.jpg

Note WakefieldStreet Tower in the distance.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6221/6274513216_c088c4b119_b.jpg

New COOP HQ.

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2720/coop1.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cliffordstead/6273817509/

Density.

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Note WakefieldStreet Tower in the distance.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6221/6274513216_c088c4b119_b.jpg

That's a cracker of a photo! :)

Density.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6103/6265314523_ba69cb4fb5_o.jpg

Where was this taken? Portland Tower?
Loving this - can see my flat in the back corner of the block in the foreground. Just in front of the art gallery :)

(But what's that random device on the window??)

(But what's that random device on the window??)

Most likely a mobile phone antenna. I don't think the photo is from a window.

Most likely a mobile phone antenna. I don't think the photo is from a window.

Having had a look about, I reckon it could be from the top of the shorter tower next to the Portland (Anyone know what that one's called?)

Looking at the top there is a row of windows around the roof - and a couple of them have little things in them that look like this random device...

Or there are also four similar windows at the top of the Portland too, so could be from there...
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p136/nickthegreek2k2/450px-Portland_Towers.jpg

Having had a look about, I reckon it could be from the top of the shorter tower next to the Portland (Anyone know what that one's called?)

Looking at the top there is a row of windows around the roof - and a couple of them have little things in them that look like this random device...

Or there are also four similar windows at the top of the Portland too, so could be from there...


It used to be another cis building i think from memory?

I like the spire on top of the city tower - very trendy. Arndale tower could do with an extension to make it taller - 10 storeys would do it!

manc - the pic was definately taken from Portland Tower.

To answer your other question the building next door is called 55 Portand Street, however I still call it Telephone House which was its name for most of its life.


There is a picture from the top floor in this:

http://www.whrproperty.co.uk/admin/pdfs/55-Portland-Street.pdf

Sunrise over Manchester from Eccles

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k103/samorost/MCR4.jpg

Taken Saturday.

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Please click on the website before or after viewing the pictures below. Thank you.

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^^

The second photograph is fantastic :)

Good website, he has some good stuff in his gallery.

great picutres them JRB - how anyone can say Manchester doesn't have a skyline is beyond me! :nuts:

From this;

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/caw123/2005pano5.jpg

to this;

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/826ManchesterSkyline_pic1.jpg

to this;

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/888ManchesterskylinefromPomona,30tallbuildingsinoneview_pic1.jpg

To this;

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5614/129qi.jpg

It should be made a condition of granting planning permission that tower cranes are left in place.

The 2005 photo with multiple cranes and exposed steelwork is by far the most attractive of that bunch!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/62796139@N04/5721778692/

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3520/5721778692_91397ae13b_b.jpg

Sorry if it's already been posted. There are more skyline shots of Manchester in the set.

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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4128/5213626075_4ab1a6cc24_b.jpg

^^

I like the second photo a lot, the large sky really adds to the photo, in my opinion :)

Taken by yours truely an hour ago. Got plenty of Wakefield Street tower pics of as well. I'll upload them today or tomorrow.

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/6263/tower1111.jpg

This afternoon.

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Cracking photos- Were they taken from the aquatics centres car park?

Cracking photos- Were they taken from the aquatics centres car park?

Yes. The new chem building is in the way. Knock it down. :lol:

It should be made a condition of granting planning permission that tower cranes are left in place.

The 2005 photo with multiple cranes and exposed steelwork is by far the most attractive of that bunch!

That civil justice building is well bizarre and ugly. The architect must've been on drugs or something.....:ohno:

That civil justice building is well bizarre and ugly. The architect must've been on drugs or something.....:ohno:

beauty is in the eye of the beyholder - Walking up from Salford central station the building looks amazing! I love the building and it makes a change from the plain and boring buildings some other architects come up with!

beauty is in the eye of the beyholder - Walking up from Salford central station the building looks amazing! I love the building and it makes a change from the plain and boring buildings some other architects come up with!

I agree. The Civil Justice Centre is the best building built in the last 5 years in Manchester. Fact.

Taken from the MRI car park.

Unfortunately the MRI waste chimney and new MRI buildings have blocked the rest of the skyline.

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:drool: :bow:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/38177739@N05/6347574024/

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http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/16/manchester-town-hall-opens-clock-tower?cat=uk&type=article

Bet there's some fantastic views from up there, if anyone goes, make sure you get some piccies! £7.50 seems a bit steep to me...

Yep, Peel Tower near Ramsbottom. There's a cracking picture from there on Picasa by MSFOTO, much the same viewpoint as the one posted earlier but much wider.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/30699331


that's about 2 minutes up the road (& hill) from where i live - there's a nice curry house up there called mala. fantastic views over the whole of the manchester basin, pennines, peak district, cheshire gap, and over toward north wales & merseyside. if you get up there on a summer's evening you can get some great pics of town with the sun reflecting off the buildings, beetham in particular

http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/16/manchester-town-hall-opens-clock-tower?cat=uk&type=article

Bet there's some fantastic views from up there, if anyone goes, make sure you get some piccies! £7.50 seems a bit steep to me...

Is it really the largest clock outside London?

Liverbuilding clock?

Liverbuilding clock?

According to Wikipedia, the Liver Building clock is "Britain's largest clock face, and the largest electronically driven clocks in the U.K." Also in the North West, the Eastgate Clock in Chester is the most photographed clock in England outside London.

Source
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_clocks#England)

:drool: :bow:

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That is by some distance the best skyline shot of Manchester I've ever seen. Love the sky. Would make a great SSC banner.

It must've been mentioned before that the top of Barton Bridge will get you a jaw-dropping view of the city. Just the problem of obtaining a photo without getting killed or arrested.

That is by some distance the best skyline shot of Manchester I've ever seen. Love the sky. Would make a great SSC banner.

It must've been mentioned before that the top of Barton Bridge will get you a jaw-dropping view of the city. Just the problem of obtaining a photo without getting killed or arrested.
That picture is already my laptop screensaver,amazing picture.

It's a nice picture, just a bit too photoshopped for my tastes. :)

That picture is already my laptop screensaver,amazing picture.

Snap!

I might change it to this soon;

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/228/490111917_7fe1bae3bd_b.jpg

Snap!

I might change it to this soon;



Is that Venice? ;)

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Sorry, but this is nothing but a cheap and nasty throwback to the bad old 60's when British Cities were at their lowest ebb. Manchester deserves far better but ovbviously the Council doesn't agree.
In a few years it will look as tacky as those hideous old monstrosities.

^^^^

Not sure about that. There are lots of reasons why 1960's tower blocks did not work. But they don't apply to the Beetham tower et al.

Sorry, but this is nothing but a cheap and nasty throwback to the bad old 60's when British Cities were at their lowest ebb. Manchester deserves far better but ovbviously the Council doesn't agree.
In a few years it will look as tacky as those hideous old monstrosities.

The beetham tower is and always will be iconic FACT, nothing like the blocks in Pendleton et al!!

Sorry, but this is nothing but a cheap and nasty throwback to the bad old 60's when British Cities were at their lowest ebb. Manchester deserves far better but ovbviously the Council doesn't agree.
In a few years it will look as tacky as those hideous old monstrosities.

So tell me, what will other cities look like in a few years time? The same! because very few of them are building and if they were, its doubtful they would reach the standards Manchester sets in new buildings. So you’re from London, get over it mate. There's some real turds there we could point and laugh at, but i don’t really think this, standing to attention in Manchester, is a particular steamer.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Great_Northern_Warehouse_and_Beetham_Tower.jpg/800px-Great_Northern_Warehouse_and_Beetham_Tower.jpg

6 Nov, 4.30pm. Taken from Alphin Pike, on the edge of the Pennines near Carrbrook, Stalybridge. On the right is Hartshead Pike and on the far left is Fiddler's Ferry power station near Warrington. The city centre is about 11 miles away and above the towers you can just make out the Clwyd Hills in Wales, approximately 60 miles distant.

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That's a seriously sexy photo. I've tried a few time to get good shots from that sort of location but yours blows all my efforts out the water. You should get it printed on canvas and sell it.

Awesome capture Vincent. I bet it was cold up there at this time of year.

Thanks for the comments folks.

No, it wasn't particularly cold considering the time of year. Certainly earlier in the day and out of the wind it had felt positively hot slogging up from Dovestones reservoir...!

The reclads have made such a difference.

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^^

Excellent picture.

When the Beetham was designed the glass they used on the outside cladding was intended to get lighter as it got higher up the building, almost as if to make it "disappear into the sky". This picture shows that aspect of the building greatly.

Winter Wonderland. (obviously taken from Beetham)

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The last block of flats at the Chester Rd roundabout is now being reclad! :cheers:

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Winter Wonderland. (obviously taken from Beetham)

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2701/4247971737_0f47869f69_o.jpg

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4046/4267191994_f066df833f_b.jpg

That picture shows Manchester has something no Chinese megacity ever will. It has soul and charector. I just love the mix of new and old in Manchester, and I think Manchester does this better than any other city I have been to. Maybe Liverpool comes close but doesn't quite have the same cosmopolitan effect.

I must admit I have never been out of Europe, but I have been to most major European cities.

That picture shows Manchester has something no Chinese megacity ever will. It has soul and charector. I just love the mix of new and old in Manchester, and I think Manchester does this better than any other city I have been to. Maybe Liverpool comes close but doesn't quite have the same cosmopolitan effect.

I must admit I have never been out of Europe, but I have been to most major European cities.

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I've always said that and it has never been argued. There isn't another Uk city apart from London which has such a mix of quality old and new buildings side by side.

That picture shows Manchester has something no Chinese megacity ever will. It has soul and charector. I just love the mix of new and old in Manchester, and I think Manchester does this better than any other city I have been to. Maybe Liverpool comes close but doesn't quite have the same cosmopolitan effect.

I must admit I have never been out of Europe, but I have been to most major European cities.

... as in, Stockholm, Gothenburg, Malmo, Oslo, Helsinki, Turku, Copenhagen, Aarhus, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Brussels, Paris, Lyon, Bordeaux, Marseille, Barcelona, Madrid, Valencia, Seville, Porto, Lisbon, Geneva, Zurich, Stuttgart, Munich, Dusseldorf, Cologne, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Berlin, Leipzig, Dresden, Vienna, Salzburg, Warsaw, Krakow, Katowice, Prague, Budapest, Milan, Venice, Verona, Rome, Turin, Naples, Bucharest, Belgrade, Zagreb, Bratislava, Sofia, Dubrovnik, Athens, Cardiff, Dublin, London, Birmingham, Glasgow, Edinburgh ...... and back to Manchester ....... go back and have another look at some of these "major European cities" .... unless you have another list of cities you have been to.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6096/6351609144_3ab5a10f47_b.jpg
How I would love to work there even if it was just as a cleaner haha. You can see all the major tall buildings (even wakefield poking over the top to the left).

... as in, Stockholm, Gothenburg, Malmo, Oslo, Helsinki, Turku, Copenhagen, Aarhus, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Brussels, Paris, Lyon, Bordeaux, Marseille, Barcelona, Madrid, Valencia, Seville, Porto, Lisbon, Geneva, Zurich, Stuttgart, Munich, Dusseldorf, Cologne, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Berlin, Leipzig, Dresden, Vienna, Salzburg, Warsaw, Krakow, Katowice, Prague, Budapest, Milan, Venice, Verona, Rome, Turin, Naples, Bucharest, Belgrade, Zagreb, Bratislava, Sofia, Dubrovnik, Athens, Cardiff, Dublin, London, Birmingham, Glasgow, Edinburgh ...... and back to Manchester ....... go back and have another look at some of these "major European cities" .... unless you have another list of cities you have been to.

I think you're getting confused. He said a mix of new and old.

Rome, Turin, Milan, Edinburgh? New and old? Can you imagine them sticking the Beetham Tower in the centre of Edinburgh or Turin? People would have a fit.

Yeah the phrase is bandied about a lot but Manchester really is the city for new & old contrasts. But I'm sorry, Joydivison82, "That picture shows Manchester has something no Chinese megacity ever will. It has soul and character" this is an incredibly galling and ignorant comment. Did you grow up in a Chinese megacity?

^^I think he means ‘any city east of Europe that has predominantly a lot of glass buildings like Dubai,’ rather than China and its Ming Dynasty.

... as in, Stockholm, Gothenburg, Malmo, Oslo, Helsinki, Turku, Copenhagen, Aarhus, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Brussels, Paris, Lyon, Bordeaux, Marseille, Barcelona, Madrid, Valencia [...] Birmingham ...
:lol: Hmm, can anyone spot the odd one out in this list of awe-inspiring international bastions?

(I like Birmingham, but come on, you're as crazy as we are to try and squeeze it into that list.)

Not my photo from flickr, click on the link below photo to see in larger size.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7172/6400313659_db8f1ab93b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrongsideup/6400313659/)
Manchester Panorama (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrongsideup/6400313659/) by Viewpointe Photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/wrongsideup/), on Flickr

Not my photo from flickr, click on the link below photo to see in larger size.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7172/6400313659_db8f1ab93b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrongsideup/6400313659/)
Manchester Panorama (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrongsideup/6400313659/) by Viewpointe Photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/wrongsideup/), on Flickr

Is the area in the foreground contaminated?

Is the area in the foreground contaminated?

I would think there would have been something nasty in the ground becasue of what was there before, although it may have already had ground remediation works to get rid of the contaminants