that pic's a stunner. i wish i still had non-bicycle wheels, i'd drive to the hills to get these shots too.

could winter hill mast be the highester structure above sea level in england then? i'll bet some shack on a scottish mountain holds the uk record ;)

Taken fron COMS today. Bugger! Missed some of the GQ cranes.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture216.jpg

Today from COMS.

Betham, ISIS and City Tower, etc. (at a slight angle) Soon to be joined by Gravity, Sarah Tower, Piccadilly Tower and Crown. (hopefully)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture215.jpg

Nice pics, the long panaromic on the previous page is fantastic. I know Liverpool as the waterfront, but with the backdrop of those hills, Manchester's skyline from a distance can be stunning too.

the coms view is great ^^
i wouldn't be seen dead in the place ;) but if anyone want to take some pics i will stick them together into a panorama. just take pics, make sure they join, i can do the rest.

just uploaded this to sn.

From left to right: Spectrum; Tempus Tower; The Bailey; Jefferson Place; Britton House; Leftbank Apartments; North Tower; Spinningfields NCP; 1 Hardman Boulevard; Civil Justice Centre; Vie; The Edge; 3 Hardman Street; CIS Tower; Arndale Tower; Saint George's Island towers; Zenith Building; 82 King Street; Lowry Tower; The Light House; Chancery Place; Town Hall Clock Tower; Great Northern Tower; City Tower; Beetham Tower; Portland Tower; Council flats.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/888ManchesterskylinefromPomona,30tallbuildingsinoneview_pic1.jpg

.........and the most important building of all... steele house, lamba court ;) but the side i don't live on :ohno:

almost two years ago since this one (chris):

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/854ManchesterskylinefromPomona_pic1.jpg

Another shot from me window... I really need to get a tripod

http://www.jonreid.co.uk/pics/mancfromhigh.jpg

tell me you've got that tripod yet JR !

I haven't you know, and I've been so god damned busy with work and life that I've hardly had any time to test my new camera out :( I'm hoping work eases up a bit soon and I can spend a bit more time putting the bloody thing to use.

just uploaded this to sn.



http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/888ManchesterskylinefromPomona,30tallbuildingsinoneview_pic1.jpg

.........and the most important building of all... steele house, lamba court ;) but the side i don't live on :ohno:

almost two years ago since this one (chris):

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/854ManchesterskylinefromPomona_pic1.jpg

From that view Spinningfields is slowly blocking out CIS and the Arndale. Hopefully this time next year, we'll see a huge Core rising to the left of City Tower.

I reckon it'll be just to the right!

From flickr:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2258/2397067694_8020078b6b_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2258/2397067694_8020078b6b_b.jpg

Shows how the Uni district is definately an extension of the city centre.

I live right on the left hand side of that photo, near to the planning bunker.

Shows the density and scale of the city centre well. :)

who can help me? I have only two months in this country and I will go to Manchester, only I have one day, so what are the best places to visite (musseum, parks, views,streets, etc) I'm very excited to know Manchester.

I live right on the left hand side of that photo, near to the planning bunker.

Shows the density and scale of the city centre well. :)

i used to live on the left... near not much. you live where my old man used to live.

who can help me? I have only two months in this country and I will go to Manchester, only I have one day, so what are the best places to visite (musseum, parks, views,streets, etc) I'm very excited to know Manchester.

if you are heavily interested in architecture then go for a pint in cloud 23, the name of beetham tower (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=132)'s sky bar. (it is a hilton hotel, so check hilton's website...). i advise phoning them to find out its hours. you will need to wear smart-casual, no trainers or jeans, no t-shirts. but no need to wear suite and tie. you may need to book if you go late in the evening.

another place to go for interesting modern architecture is spinningfields (head for quay street- look it up on www.multimap.com or whatever) and head for the civil justice centre (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=149), it's very nice to look at.

if you've only got one day i wouldn't bother going to salford quays, it's not worth it, just go to the city centre.

someone else can advise as to cultural things to do, museums etc, i am not the best person.

pm me if you want any more info.

:cheers:

Can you get a pint in Cloud 23?

so i'm told :)

never been there myself, but i will.

No taps up there.

I'll tell everyone what would be class. A standard style pub at the top of a skyscraper. Think about go in what ever you want, go get a pint with some mates, abit of pool and footy on sky while looking at an amazing view. You wouldn't be able to beat that.

Football, beer, pool, view, skyscraper.

so i'm told :)

never been there myself, but i will.

Well it's a very expensive (but good) cocktail/champagne bar. No beer (or at least, not proper beer on tap).

Okay, not strictly skyline shots, but as we don't seem to have a "urbanity thread" or such here are some photos taken yesterday from the glorious Sackville Street Building:

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee85/mancplanner_2007/SkylineX1.jpg

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee85/mancplanner_2007/SkylineX2.jpg

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee85/mancplanner_2007/SkylineX3.jpg

In Urbanity We Trust! ;)

I need to get [up] high!

Nice pix fella

From Shudehill today:

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee85/mancplanner_2007/Shudehill9.jpg

Looking W/NW from Piccadilly

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k103/samorost/UERP/RPpano3.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k103/samorost/UERP/RPpano1.jpg

Taken today from the IWMN (Hah Chog's! :poke:)

In 5-10 years time Chapel Wharf, The Manchester, No1 Hardman Square and possibly No 2 Hardman Square, Axis, Gravity, Sarah Tower, Piccadilly Tower and other towers might all be visible in that shot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture283.jpg

From the junction of Rake Lane and Lumn's Lane in Clifton yesterday.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3264/2411567602_6e2c37b82e_o.jpg

Some great skyline shots coming in of late. :)

hmm, not quite a skyline picture..

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2417/2194287798_cb357d4f38_b.jpg

That green belt band that sweeps into the south of the city really pisses me off.

Its flood plain you twit.












Great picture by the way!

I'm a bit confused.
Is that the airport at the top, and if so, do you mean the Mersey Valley Kids??

so what? it's still greenbelt

developers would still build on it. and people would still buy houses there.

I'm a bit confused.
Is that the airport at the top, and if so, do you mean the Mersey Valley Kids??

yup.

so what? it's still greenbelt

developers would still build on it. and people would still buy houses there.

And then probably moan when it floats away.

their hypothetical problem. they knew it would happen.

their hypothetical problem. they knew it would happen.

asking for it - if you ask me

idiots

asking for it - if you ask me

idiots

a bit of desperation too. desperate idiots.

a bit of desperation too. desperate idiots.

the worse kind

so what? it's still greenbelt

developers would still build on it. and people would still buy houses there.

I used to live just the other side of the motorway embankment to the Mersey. I think it broke its banks on average about twice every winter. I doubt any developer would be able to get the houses up before they became lakeside properties and then washed away.

The Mersey Valley does need to be smartened up though especially the bit between Chester Road and Northenden. It could be a really good urban-cum-country park if only access was better.

Great picture by the way. I love the view of Manchester from the roads over the tops of the Pennines, with all the sodium lights marking the streets below.

And then probably moan when it floats away.

they build domociles on stilts in bhurma and houses that float in the netherlands. Where the problem at girlfren?

wow manchester looks massive on that aerial shot

I used to live just the other side of the motorway embankment to the Mersey. I think it broke its banks on average about twice every winter. I doubt any developer would be able to get the houses up before they became lakeside properties and then washed away.

Just to reiterate what jerv said - there's almost definitely something that could be done to get housing on this land.

Just to reiterate what jerv said - there's almost definitely something that could be done to get housing on this land.

Just to reiterate
Its flood plain.
Common wisdom dictates that one doesnt build on flood plains because ......erh......erm......err........they flood and your carpet gets wet and insurance companies wont insure you.

again - just to reiterate - so what? if people wanted to live there why would you stop them?

floating houses don't flood anyway.

Just to reiterate
Its flood plain.
Common wisdom dictates that one doesnt build on flood plains because ......erh......erm......err........they flood and your carpet gets wet and insurance companies wont insure you.

Thats the point of the stilts. they raise the floor level so that your carpet stays dry. Unless the ice caps melt. Floating Caisson houses are also tried and tested.
http://www.floatinghouses.com/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/main.jhtml?xml=/property/2007/09/06/lpflood106.xml

floating houses don't flood anyway.

They do if they get flooded.

...

Anyway. This isn't the point i was trying to bring up. It could be developed on, no matter how much The Longford tries to insist..whatever he's trying to insist (?). Even if someone did propose something along the lines of this...

http://dl.nlb.gov.sg/digitalk/FH2.JPG

Hundreds of anti-urbanites would object to it, because they could, because it's green-belt land...

We need to protect this valley

From the archive, first published Monday 30th Apr 2007.

RE: Trafford Council's decision to cut funding for the Mersey Valley.

When I moved back to the UK after living in New York, one of the reasons I chose to live in Urmston was because we have the countryside right on our doorstep, in the form of the Mersey Valley. Central Park pales by comparison.

I now work for an organisation dedicated to improving the Mersey, the Mersey Basin Campaign. The 20-year transformation of the river from Europe's dirtiest to one the UN now calls an 'inspiration' to the rest of the world, is true success story. Wildlife is thriving along the river.

We must protect the valley from development and also maintain it for ourselves and future generations. £62,000 is a small price to pay.

Lastly, well done to the volunteers who help maintain the area. Keep up the good work - you put the council to shame!

Matthew, Urmston, somewhere that's not quite a city and nor quite the countryside

http://archive.thisischeshire.co.uk/2007/4/30/288547.html

Why do you hate the countryside kids? It's nice that Manchester has such a big belt of nature within it's urban area. It would be nicer if it had deer in it and a road across it so you could get to Chorlton more easily, but it's still nice.

The other point about the Mersey is that despite the impressive flood defences that have been implemented over the years, beyond Stretford it is constantly changing course. Even if someone was stupid enough to build a house, and even if someone was stupid enough to buy it they'd still be disappointed when they got up in the morning and there was a river where their back garden used to be.

The problem is insurance, its chucking good money after bad ain't it? Its also about value and cost, what about selling if your at risk as a home owner or as a developer? I'm with Longford, its a no brainer (a term I detest) but true for this.

I insist thats its flood plain and i insist that even if someone was stupid enough to build on it i would insist that no mortgage lender will lend you money on a home built on a flood plain and i insist that no insurer will insure you once you have bought it.
I also insist that the green belt is there for good reason and i insist you go to the United States and witness suburban sprawl to see to why i insist we need it.
Anyway - the green belt is there so we can put a motorway through it at some stage aswell!

I was cycling down said flood plain with my girlfriend last week, went to both Chorlton and Sale Water Parks, stopped at Jackson's Pub in the middle, lovely and peaceful.

It'd be a crime if it was built on. A great retreat in the city.

Also if you pee in the river it'll end up in Liverpool! ;)

I was cycling down said flood plain with my girlfriend last week, went to both Chorlton and Sale Water Parks, stopped at Jackson's Pub in the middle, lovely and peaceful.

It'd be a crime if it was built on. A great retreat in the city.

Also if you pee in the river it'll end up in Liverpool! ;)

Well presumably someone has insured the water park 'club house' and jacksons pub. Also, I used to live in a flat in Lower Kersall which was on a flood plain. I was 8 floors up and the insurers refused to insure me at first. presumably they thought the flood had a good chance of rising 24m.

There's plenty of room to build in Oldham.

People keep leaving.

I was cycling down said flood plain with my girlfriend last week, went to both Chorlton and Sale Water Parks, stopped at Jackson's Pub in the middle, lovely and peaceful.

It'd be a crime if it was built on. A great retreat in the city.

Also if you pee in the river it'll end up in Liverpool! ;)

Why does the river Mersey run through Liverpool?

because if it walked it would get mugged.


Low I know but it had to be done

Well presumably someone has insured the water park 'club house' and jacksons pub. Also, I used to live in a flat in Lower Kersall which was on a flood plain. I was 8 floors up and the insurers refused to insure me at first. presumably they thought the flood had a good chance of rising 24m.

I survived the Great Kersal Flood of 1980 !!!!
My nana lived in the block you can see at the beginning of this clip.
We were staying there during half term and couldnt go back to school for 3 days! :)

nZm8Y3HTCuc

I insist thats its flood plain and i insist that even if someone was stupid enough to build on it i would insist that no mortgage lender will lend you money on a home built on a flood plain and i insist that no insurer will insure you once you have bought it.
I also insist that the green belt is there for good reason and i insist you go to the United States and witness suburban sprawl to see to why i insist we need it.
Anyway - the green belt is there so we can put a motorway through it at some stage aswell!

And my point is that if anything, this gap and the other gaps in the middle city are making the city sprawl outwards even further! I'm working on a very simple logic that if developers find they cannot build in these places, then they will build in places like Horwich, Wilmslow etc etc - places on the far reaches of the conurbation. And they can do this because of good transport links.

@ Che - I don't hate the countryside, i fucking love it. I just don't think we should have pieces of countryside in the middle of a city.

I'm a big fan of medieval town planning. There was the town and there was the countryside..

http://www.comune.dozza.bo.it/images/alto.jpg

I was cycling down said flood plain with my girlfriend last week, went to both Chorlton and Sale Water Parks, stopped at Jackson's Pub in the middle, lovely and peaceful.

It'd be a crime if it was built on. A great retreat in the city.

Also if you pee in the river it'll end up in Liverpool! ;)

i've got a great idea. let's jut flatten the entire city and replace it with green pastures. the end result would be nice, wouldn't it?

Now come on kids, I love the city, but if I can cycle in the hustle and bustle and then 15mins later be in a nice natural setting, in a safe environment, then it can only be good.

We don't have a 'central park' of any substance near the city centre, we hardly have a riverside walkway, the mersey estury is about as near as you're gonna get to both at the min.

It's an asset. Keep it.

If you wanna build dense, build in the run down inner city areas and brownfield sites. Then we'll have the best of both worlds.

Economics causes sprawl. Build on the Mersey Valley and the housing would still be out of most people's price range and their only option would be Horwich or a mass produced box with a balcony bolted onto it.

I'm a big fan of medieval town planning. There was the town and there was the countryside..



But thats the point!
The Green Belt is there to draw a clear distinction between the urban and the rural and to halt creeping (sub)urbanisation and fringe development.
We need to think about how well we are using our cities before we start building on Green Belt in my opinion.

Yup, Longfork is right. If the Mersey flood plain were to be built on (which is a stupid idea as a) it's a flood plain and b) it provides good open green spaces including numerous golf courses) then you wouldn't get your lovely medieval urban grain being built (which I love too) but rather this...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/125/361507066_3ec7faee14.jpg

But thats the point!
The Green Belt is there to draw a clear distinction between the urban and the rural and to halt creeping (sub)urbanisation and fringe development.
We need to think about how well we are using our cities before we start building on Green Belt in my opinion.

I know and i do agree with it in principle, what i'm saying is that these particular pieces of green belt, the pieces in the city, are mis-placed.

They don't distinguish countryside from city. They distinguish Prestwich from Pendlebury, Sale from Stretford. Places that are essentially in the same city are split from each other.

Manchester's green-belt now (top), and what i think would be much more sensible (bottom)

http://i31.tinypic.com/11sovmo.jpg

A proper defining of town and countryside?

When Kids is king listen out for the bulldozer approaching if you live outside of his "tidy" circular city.

You don't need to be physically urban to be a city. A city can include green space. If the culture is urban a city exists. Manchester is at the centre of a collection of spaces both built up and green. A green space with the objective of dividing two urban spaces is itself an urban space. It may not be built up but it's function is urban.

Glossop has a perfect circle drawn around it, used for its parish boundary and the limits of the national park.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Glossop&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=51.04407,82.265625&ie=UTF8&ll=53.44349,-1.949043&spn=0.03783,0.080338&z=14

Surely the only instance of this in British governance?

I've just had a glance at wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_belt for the first time and apprently i'm not the first to make this argument. i can't even explain that i find it hard to explain so read this:

Another area of criticism comes from the fact that, since a greenbelt does not extend indefinitely outside a city, it might spur the growth of areas much further away from the city core than if it had not existed, thereby actually increasing urban sprawl.[4] Examples commonly cited are the Ottawa suburbs of Kanata and Orleans, both of which are outside the city's greenbelt, and are currently undergoing explosive growth (see Greenbelt (Ottawa)). This can lead to other problems, as residents of these areas have further to commute to work (if they seek employment in city) and little access to public transport. It also means people will commute through the green belt, an area not designed to cope with high levels of transportation. Not only is the problem of the green belt gotten around here; the green belt heightens the problem and makes the city unsustainable.

In Britain, greenbelt barriers to urban expansion have been strongly criticised as one of several major protectionist political-economic barriers to housebuilding with negative effects on the supply, cost/prices, and quality of new homes. (The others include new housing development taxes and quasi-taxes; political discrimination against particular classes of new housing supplier, household consumer, and housing product; and controls on housing technical-product development – in particular, the blocking of innovative low-cost housebuilding using new materials and production technologies). The greenbelts actually defeat their own stated objective of saving the countryside and open spaces. By preventing existing towns and cities from extending normally, they result in more land-extensive housing developments further out – i.e., the establishment beyond the greenbelts of new communities with lower building densities, their own built infrastructure and other facilities, and greater dependence on cars and commuting, etc. Meanwhile, valuable urban green space and brownfield sites best suited to industry and commerce are lost in existing conurbations as more and more new housing is crammed into them.[5]

That last bit in bold is for Isaac. Most of this land is lost. It exists to be travelled across when commuting. Is that a function?

Wiki articles often have a hidden agenda - depending on who authored them.
Not saying that some of those arguments arent valid - just saying wiki isnt the most objective of sources.

You'd have to map where people commuted to and from to make this argument concrete.

Has its not ever occurred to you that south Manchester never seems to flood, I wonder what might make that possible?

The Mersey Valley isn't green belt in the traditional sense of a purely planned break in development, its a natural barrier and a very active flood plain that needs to be left undeveloped to protect areas adjoining it. Regardless of building on stilts, or other flood limitation/mitigation measures, the very act of reducing the surface area available for soak away with roads (if nothing else) would increase the size of the area affected by flooding, the more you encroach on it, the more people would be affected. Even buildings that would be themselves resilient to flooding would shelter the ground underneath, reduce absorption, increase surface water, and increase the pressure on the river and local drains at peak flow; resulting in more regular, and more wide spread flooding.

Flood plain is there for reasons of utility and necessity, not aesthetic notions of the interplay between urbanity and countryside; but regardless of why it is there, why in hell would the existence of utilised, functional maintained open space bother you more than the vast tracks of ugly derelict brown field land straddling nearly every arterial route into this city?

Joined up urbanity is one thing, filling in the gaps in our all too often disjointed city fabric with either buildings or significant public space is surely what everyone aspires to happening; wanting to concrete over land that manages to protect a huge area of the conurbation from inundation while also providing public parks and private recreation, not to mention space for the motorway is misguided to say the least.

Flood plain in Lower Broughton:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3779/picture4pl6.png

Some green belt land lost between Kearsley/Whitefield, Radcliffe/Pendlebury:

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4605/picture6sb2.png

Were you talking about knocking down places Architecty?

Lower Broughton has flooded in my recent memory.

Yeh let's knock it down.

Yeh let's knock it down.

They have already started last time i looked! :lol:

Good. Let's hope that inundation that constanly floods north Manchester in its entirety stops.

It's been fun. Look after yourselfs. All the best jrb.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture301pppppppxxxxx.jpg?t=1209419264

WiggleyLeeds is going to love it! ;)

It's been fun. Look after yourselfs. All the best jrb.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture301pppppppxxxxx.jpg?t=1209419264

The Longford (the original one) making a nice appearance just at the bottom there - which is very nice ^^

that's a fucking sweet shot jrby, you got it any bigger? From stretford house? Was it flooded behind you?

Temps me to do another skyline montage.

Jrb - we love ya!

Flood plain in Lower Broughton:

Some green belt land lost between Kearsley/Whitefield, Radcliffe/Pendlebury:

Were you talking about knocking down places Architecty?No Kids, actually you were; your perfectly circular fantasy of Manchester annihilates Bury, Bolton, Rochdale, that would for certain knock down some places.

Yeh let's knock it down.Posting environment agency maps of areas of flood plain that have been built on in the past and still flood, doesn't make much sense; why aren't you as desperate for the flood defences around Salford that also flood annually to be built on?

Good. Let's hope that inundation that constanly floods north Manchester in its entirety stops.

that's a fucking sweet shot jrby, you got it any bigger? From stretford house? Was it flooded behind you?
You clearly have never seen how badly the Mersey floods or you wouldn't be trying to take the piss; your churlish snipes have really put me in my place...

I've just had a glance at wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_belt for the first time and apprently i'm not the first to make this argument. i can't even explain that i find it hard to explain so read this:



That last bit in bold is for Isaac. Most of this land is lost. It exists to be travelled across when commuting. Is that a function?

If it was built up it would still be travelled across.

If your desired objective was to move people from the periphery by filling in the green spaces closer to the centre you would have a point.

For example you could bulldoze Wythenshaw and rehouse the residents along the Mersey valley, there would be no need for a Metrolink extension through Wythenshaw as the rehoused population could be served by a new station on the Altrincham line.

However the closeness of this new development to central Manchester would turn it into an economically desirable area if it was built to a similar density to it's neighbours thus driving the less well off back to the edge of the conurbation once again causing sprawl.

No Kids, actually you were; your perfectly circular fantasy of Manchester annihilates Bury, Bolton, Rochdale, that would for certain knock down some places.


No i wasn't. That was a rough idea of how i'd map the greenbelt - where i'd prohibit future development and allow it. Of course there'd have to be exceptions around the centres of the towns.

Posting environment agency maps of areas of flood plain that have been built on in the past and still flood, doesn't make much sense; why aren't you as desperate for the flood defences around Salford that also flood annually to be built on?

I was talking generally about Manchester's green belt land. The pictures of Salford i showed you included an area of that was inner city/flood plain/built up and an area that was green belt/not flood plain/not built up. And you were saying that i didn't have a point? The mersey valley was just an example, albeit a bad one that brings up an entire other discussion. But i'm not going to talk about that anymore.

If it was built up it would still be travelled across.

If your desired objective was to move people from the periphery by filling in the green spaces closer to the centre you would have a point.

For example you could bulldoze Wythenshaw and rehouse the residents along the Mersey valley, there would be no need for a Metrolink extension through Wythenshaw as the rehoused population could be served by a new station on the Altrincham line.

However the closeness of this new development to central Manchester would turn it into an economically desirable area if it was built to a similar density to it's neighbours thus driving the less well off back to the edge of the conurbation once again causing sprawl.

I dunno. Maybe if it was built as social housing available to more people of lower incomes it would stop this. But then of course, if i did get my way they simply wouldn't be any new houses at the edge of the conurbation...

It's an odd one as most cities around the world do get away with it don't they. Sprawl, generally speaking, is not the most common of urban forms. I wonder how other cities maintain their density...

It's an odd one as most cities around the world do get away with it don't they. Sprawl, generally speaking, is not the most common of urban forms. I wonder how other cities maintain their density...

Most cities do sprawl. People generally want to live in a house, even in the Mediterranean, people are abandoning older city centres and their high density suburbs for lower density developments on the outskirts.

Brazilian cities sprawl for miles, the forests of tower blocks tend to share streets with houses, and favelas sprawl in all directions.

Inustrial cities sprawl the most because huge great factories take up housing space. When they die you have loads of derilict brownfield that nobody really wants so the sprawl continues.

a discussion for the skybar? :)

Most cities do sprawl. People generally want to live in a house, even in the Mediterranean, people are abandoning older city centres and their high density suburbs for lower density developments on the outskirts.

Brazilian cities sprawl for miles, the forests of tower blocks tend to share streets with houses, and favelas sprawl in all directions.

Inustrial cities sprawl the most because huge great factories take up housing space. When they die you have loads of derilict brownfield that nobody really wants so the sprawl continues.

i recently saw some pictures of some noddy sprawl on the outskirts of Madrid of all places, quite sad really. At least they're not demolishing inner city areas as slums. Still, sprawl or not, you may as well build on this land as far as i'm concerned.

Madrid is an industrial city with large factories in satellite towns like Getafe and Leganes

Flickr pic from Saddleworth:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3058/2461387144_c184aa896f_b.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/meadowsrise/

stunning. if only was bigger + sharper focus

I remember a few years ago when I thought City tower looked like a real skyscraper and was always impressed by it's height,its just looks completley dwarfed now by Beetham.

stunning. if only was bigger + sharper focus......

...and better.

Apart from that - great.

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee85/mancplanner_2007/Skyline-1.jpg

:bowtie:

Does anyone know of any decent vantage points that would give a view of the new wind farm between Rochdale and Bury behind/above the city centre?

Maybe the view from Alderley Edge?

Does anyone know of any decent vantage points that would give a view of the new wind farm between Rochdale and Bury behind/above the city centre?

You can see them from white city looking towards Salford, I saw them on Sunday whilst doing the Manchester 10k!

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee85/mancplanner_2007/Skyline-1.jpg

:bowtie:

Great pic, ruined slightly by the disgusting UMIST building!

Does anyone know of any decent vantage points that would give a view of the new wind farm between Rochdale and Bury behind/above the city centre?


Interesting - I have a clear view of them from the halls I am in (on Upper Brook Street) and have been trying to find out what wind farm they were. So thanks.

From flickr by tescoblue:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2154/2363974901_7428225179_b.jpg

Shame CIS and GQ is just off shot to the left!

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f85/garybaldy/arndale.jpg

From flickr by tescoblue:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2154/2363974901_7428225179_b.jpg

Shame CIS and GQ is just off shot to the left!

Beautiful pic

From flickr by tescoblue:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2154/2363974901_7428225179_b.jpg

Shame CIS and GQ is just off shot to the left!


Liverpool can shuv its waterfront, id take them hills over a muddy stream anyday :cheers:

Had to drive to Pompey and back.

Went over the M6 with Brum City Centre in the distance, also went over the M60 Barton Flyover.

Brum looked ok.

Manc looked better. ;)

Had to drive to Pompey and back.

Went over the M6 with Brum City Centre in the distance, also went over the M60 Barton Flyover.

Brum looked ok.

Manc looked better. ;)

I really need to breakdown on top of the Barton Bridge one day, very very soon. Just by coincidence I will have my camera with me. Shock! The car starts first time after a quick look under the bonnet and the camera goes back into the pouch ASAP.

They should close it one day and have a bungee event!

I think the fact it was dusky and the sillouette of the skyline stretched from Pendleton to Beetham, with huge construction at the quays in the foreground!

Both had it's 'novelty areas' too, Brum with Star City, Manc with Trafford Centre etc (which looks at least, more aesthetically pleasing)

Be nice with Salford Reds Stadium built near the M60, as Walsall's ground looks cool from the M6.

Must say though, Fort Dunlop in Brum looks cool.

JRB risking life and limb for SSC and a good skyline shot is above and beyond, you deserve a medal :). Am i right in thinking this is the HUUUUGE bridge over quite a big river, you would pass over it if you were on your way to blackpool? if so i agree, Manc town looks immense.

JRB risking life and limb for SSC and a good skyline shot is above and beyond, you deserve a medal :). Am i right in thinking this is the HUUUUGE bridge over quite a big river, you would pass over it if you were on your way to blackpool? if so i agree, Manc town looks immense.

Tried to get the money shot on numerous occasions. (passing) The barriers and my Subway sandwich always get in the way.

Must say though, Fort Dunlop in Brum looks cool.

Possibly because the architect was from Oldham

JRB risking life and limb for SSC and a good skyline shot is above and beyond, you deserve a medal :). Am i right in thinking this is the HUUUUGE bridge over quite a big river, you would pass over it if you were on your way to blackpool? if so i agree, Manc town looks immense.
FYI crazy, that "big river" the Barton bridge runs over just happens to be the Manchester Ship Canal.

Just thought I'd mention it, sunbeam....:cool:

With all the limitations of a simple mobile phone camera...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2025/2541928354_17e6eca2f9.jpg?v=0

Manchester city centre taken from Stretford. Stick a few more Beetham sized towers in there and it won't look bad at all.

Hopefully Piccadilly Tower, Manchester, No1, Water Street and Crown will be those towers. (plus Chapel Wharf, Gravity and Canopus. Being the eternal optimist that I am :))

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture308.jpg

With all the limitations of a simple mobile phone camera...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2025/2541928354_17e6eca2f9.jpg?v=0

what a great pic :)

Manchester city centre taken from Stretford. Stick a few more Beetham sized towers in there and it won't look bad at all.

Hopefully Piccadilly Tower, Manchester, No1, Water Street and Crown will be those towers. (plus Chapel Wharf, Gravity and Canopus. Being the eternal optimist that I am :))

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture308.jpg

top pic jrb

top pic jrb

Thanks Man Med. Shame the quality isn't better. I suppose point and shoots do have their limitations after all. Might get another crack at that shot one day.(top of the tower block next to Stretford Arndale) Hopefully I'll have another decent camera (refunded the other one) by then. Might learn how to use it properly as well. Does help. :)

From the photos of Manchester it somehow doesn't seem like a city with 2,5 million inhabitants.. Is the city centre small in size or does it just seem like that? (That said, I don't have a lot of experience with the size of city-centres this large, seeing as there simply is none in Norway, and barely anyone in Scandinavia.... :) )

From the photos of Manchester it somehow doesn't seem like a city with 2,5 million inhabitants.. Is the city centre small in size or does it just seem like that? (That said, I don't have a lot of experience with the size of city-centres this large, seeing as there simply is none in Norway, and barely anyone in Scandinavia.... :) )

That figures comes from the 10 districts of Greater Manchester. Manchester's population is roughly 400,000.

Greater Manchester in colour.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/locations-map2.gif

From the photos of Manchester it somehow doesn't seem like a city with 2,5 million inhabitants.. Is the city centre small in size or does it just seem like that? (That said, I don't have a lot of experience with the size of city-centres this large, seeing as there simply is none in Norway, and barely in Scandinavia.... :) )

The City Centre doesn't have 2.5 Million inhabitants but to see what its like you really have to walk through its streets. To me its quite dense, not in height wise but its a 40-60 meter cover of buildings with taller ones popping out. From where that photo is taken from it would take you around an hour to walk into the City Centre. That's just to give you some idea of distance and size. The 2.5 Million inhabitants comes from Greater Manchester which covers a massive area many times the size of the City Centre.

Yeah, I know the city-centre in itself is not 2,5 million, but it kinda is the centre for the region and it caters for 2,5 million, if you know what I mean.. :p I was kinda comparing it to other city centres with a metropolitan area of the same size..

But yeah I agree it is hard to see from pictures exactly how big it is, just looked a bit smaller than other city-centres I've seen. Most other city-centres I've seen have also been in pictures though, so my material of comparison is highly questionable.. ;)

Interesting, prepare to be underwhelmed by a similar photo I took back in 2004.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7636/jrbcompix7.jpg

It's easy to forget quite how transformational the Beetham Tower has been on our skyline. They almost feel like photo's of different cities.

You can see the other differences if you look abit harder. CJC, Great Northern, you can see the white inside of 3HS, that should go blueish soon, etc but the rest are either already there or too hard to pick out. If you look at our Construction Projects, there are only a number that will be noticeable from that view. Piccadilly Tower and Axis will be the only ones, I reckon the rest will be lost in the crowd. Anything thats 60 meters and under won't be seen unless its on the edge. If you happen to have a top camera with a good zoom you'll be able to pick out afew roofs.

Yeah, I know the city-centre in itself is not 2,5 million, but it kinda is the centre for the region and it caters for 2,5 million, if you know what I mean.. :p I was kinda comparing it to other city centres with a metropolitan area of the same size..

But yeah I agree it is hard to see from pictures exactly how big it is, just looked a bit smaller than other city-centres I've seen. Most other city-centres I've seen have also been in pictures though, so my material of comparison is highly questionable.. ;)

A good view of Manchester showing how big the centre really is, would be from Pendlebury(Bolton Road) or Pendleton (top of Langworthy Road). Does anyone have a picture of these locations,? sure i've seen them on here in the past....

A good view of Manchester showing how big the centre really is, would be from Pendlebury(Bolton Road) or Pendleton (top of Langworthy Road). Does anyone have a picture of these locations,? sure i've seen them on here in the past....

I posted this one a few pages back from just off Bolton Rd in Clifton...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3264/2411567602_6e2c37b82e_o.jpg

oh there was a thread somewhere, don't know which, and I drew round aerial shots of Birmingham and Manchester's city centres to compare and see which was biggest, Manchester was.

I personally see the centre of Manchester or Central Manchester whatever you want to call it, being a much wider area than some people think. Most people view the centre as Piccadilly, Market St, Deansgate, about a square mile, but what about Whitworth Park or Ancoats Street, are they not in the centre of Manchester? It's a long stretch from Whitworth Park all the way down to Chapel St say, but people forget that. I think central Manchester is much larger than people perceive it to be its just there are some large pockets of undeveloped land here and there which make parts of the city not really feel like parts of the city, this will change of course, as it is already.

oh there was a thread somewhere, don't know which, and I drew round aerial shots of Birmingham and Manchester's city centres to compare and see which was biggest, Manchester was.

I personally see the centre of Manchester or Central Manchester whatever you want to call it, being a much wider area than some people think. Most people view the centre as Piccadilly, Market St, Deansgate, about a square mile, but what about Whitworth Park or Ancoats Street, are they not in the centre of Manchester? It's a long stretch from Whitworth Park all the way down to Chapel St say, but people forget that. I think central Manchester is much larger than people perceive it to be its just there are some large pockets of undeveloped land here and there which make parts of the city not really feel like parts of the city, this will change of course, as it is already.


Very true. From the north to south would that be like Miller Street by the CIS down to the University precinct, perhaps MRI? And then West to east from Chapel Street/Bridge Street junction over to Central Retail park? If I haven't got my bearings wrong there, then that's a damn big city centre area!

exactly :)

Very true. From the north to south would that be like Miller Street by the CIS down to the University precinct, perhaps MRI? And then West to east from Chapel Street/Bridge Street junction over to Central Retail park? If I haven't got my bearings wrong there, then that's a damn big city centre area!

I tend to think of the City Centre as everything within the RIng Road plus the University and Hospital complex( i.e., land bounded by Oxford/Wilmslow Road, Hattersage Road and Upper Brook Street)

It does annoy me a bit when I read reviews of Manchester that say it's great because it's "compact, and everything is within walking distance"

Well no it's not actually. Imagine you had an appoinment at say The Contact Theatre and another one at say Granada, both in "Central Manchester" but a fucking long WALK in my estimation, albeit in a straight line. It all points to the argument of Manchester and it's core having a much better public transport system, as it stands it falls short for a city this size and the region it serves.

It does annoy me a bit when I read reviews of Manchester that say it's great because it's "compact, and everything is within walking distance"

Well no it's not actually. Imagine you had an appoinment at say The Contact Theatre and another one at say Granada, both in "Central Manchester" but a fucking long WALK in my estimation, albeit in a straight line. It all points to the argument of Manchester and it's core having a much better public transport system, as it stands it falls short for a city this size and the region it serves.

I was in Denver a few years ago and they had a wonderful system of busses that just went up and down the Main Street from the Station to the main shopping and business district. They were every few minutes, free and the stops where just before the traffic lights so that when the doors closed the lights went on green. How simple was that. Just imagine a system of those busses in Manchester. A dozen going up and down Oxford Road/Peter Street/Quay Street; a dozen going From Salford station to MRI; A dozen going up and down Deansgate from the GMEX station to Victoria station; a dozen going up Withworth street from Deansgate station to Piccadilly station; and so on. BTW these were decent single deck long busses. We wouldn't need them with big noisy engines as a top speed of 25 mph would be great so long as they kept moving between stops. Will never happen I know.

I've recently started using the free shuttle buses, they're invaluable for getting across to the western side of Manchester. I live in the east and so always arrive in the Piccadilly region, but since I usually have my lad with me we just hop on the free number 1 or 3 to save his little legs.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/carlf/Misc/metro_shuttle.jpg

Seems to have the main "centre" pretty well covered?

I've recently started using the free shuttle buses, they're invaluable for getting across to the western side of Manchester. I live in the east and so always arrive in the Piccadilly region, but since I usually have my lad with me we just hop on the free number 1 or 3 to save his little legs.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/carlf/Misc/metro_shuttle.jpg

Seems to have the main "centre" pretty well covered?

I'm aware of this service but I think it has major limitations:

1 - Very complicated routes
2 - Short cramped vechicles
3 - Few vechicles
4 - Low frequency

I don't think the service has sufficient critical mass for it to be a serious contender for a real city centre transit system of the type I would like to see. But yeah it at least shows someone is begining to understand that there is a genuine requirement here.

I've amazingly never used the free buses. I've thought about it, but I tend to walk across the city centre. Or take the tram.

People I know who visit Manchester city centre every now and again for shopping tend to say that the centre is small and compact. This is because they only know and walk round either the Arndale/Market Street area or the Deansgate/Peter Street part. However the city centre is so much more than its shopping areas. I love showing people around the city centre - you can walk for hours, never going down the same street twice, passing through completely different areas. The visitors' map found in some brochures breaks the city centre into areas -

http://www.visitmanchester.com/images/top_level/city_map.gif

http://www.visitmanchester.com/images/pdfs/CityCentreMap.pdf

Though of course there is more to the city centre than this (over the river into Salford and south into the Universities).

I can never understand why oxford right down to the whitworth art gallery is never included as the city centre, is has a real cosmopoltian vibe, it has tons of bars, a theatre, a gallery, all the uni buildings and shops, in my opinion it is certainly the city centre.

Yeah Oxford Street has become a lot denser over the last 10 years or so.

I've lived here all my life and never really considered the city centre starting until you reach Grosvenor Street by the Mancunian Way ramp.

Travelling up Upper Brook Street still feels quite 'open' until that point. There are still sections of grass and derelict land around.

That tall white student block (where the Happy Eater restaurant used to be) and all the University and MRI developments (by Hathersage Road) are slowly changing things though. Feels a lot more built up around there now!

Will be interesting to see what happens to the BBC site on Oxford Road.

Will be interesting to see what happens to the BBC site on Oxford Road.

http://phillyimprov.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/mushroom-cloud.jpg

Well, I wouldn't mind that if it would also take out Man Met... ;)

http://phillyimprov.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/mushroom-cloud.jpg

Yep.

Well, I wouldn't mind that if it would also take out Man Met... ;)

agreed!

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/carlf/Manchester/IMG_6140a.jpg

It's always so bloody hazy! I'm trying to work out when it would be best to take a long distance skyline shot. I'm guessing early in the day just after a good poor down will be when the air is clearest.

It's always so bloody hazy! I'm trying to work out when it would be best to take a long distance skyline shot. I'm guessing early in the day just after a good poor down will be when the air is clearest.

Is that taken up by Hartshead Pike?

Aye, Hartshead Pike, my favourite location for a quiet half hour to just sit and think. I took 72 pictures from up there this afternoon and they're all crap because of the haze. I think it'll be winter before I can get anything decent from up there, maybe a frosty morning?

It's always so bloody hazy! I'm trying to work out when it would be best to take a long distance skyline shot. I'm guessing early in the day just after a good poor down will be when the air is clearest.

when you find the answer, please tell me! :)
great view.

You are only going to get clearer skies when the sun is lower in the sky (and its not humid) ie at either end of the day or not at this time of the year.
Be patient Jedi warrior and return after you have had your tea (or before you have had your breakfast).

Thank you o wise one - I shall return with an image similar to the Lisbon banner above. Use the force Luke, use the force!

Its quite tricky to get a good shot from Hartshead Pike because you are usually shooting into the sun - once again the light is only satisfactory (for shooting a Manchester skyline that is) in early t'morning or in late t'evening

Go on! Got the elusive Barton Bridge money shot today. :okay:
Big shout out and thanks to :master: Clive for driving as slow as legally possible over Barton Bridge and to myself for hanging out of the window as far possible and taking as many shots as possible.
Not perfect and had to chop a fair bit off due to the barriers, etc, but somehow still managed to get everything in.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture0055555xxhhvvvvvv.jpg

L.E.G.E.N.D.

played jrb

:guns1: Nice shootin kid!!! Your mate must have been on e hell of a driver to keep the car so steady:cheer: I tell ya wot jrbailey you have got some quality friends! Anyhoo, Friday night booned up:cheers::cheers2::scouserd: AVIT!!!

you have got some quality friends!

Let's have some modesty on here please.

Have to agree though, you both went to some great lengths for us all, cheers.

Let's have some modesty on here please.

Have to agree though, you both went to some great lengths for us all, cheers.

I was being modest Hifi. Thank you all for the kind words. I was thinking of pulling up on the hard shoulder, but common sense prevailed and I decided to go for the tried and failed many a time passing window shot. For once it worked. You'll have to excuse Clive. He's been lurking for a while. He just got a bit giddy. Couldn't have done it without him though.

great shot. nice load of fluffy clouds and sun on the lush trees. lovely. and manchester looking very distant, in that shade.

From Eccles today

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g317/crushbrook/IMG_3039.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g317/crushbrook/IMG_3040.jpg

really good view. :drool:

Went back to my usual spot this evening a bit later that usual. Thanks to Longy for the advice. Seems a bit less hazy...

(Apologies for the width but I figured some might prefer to see it this way)

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/carlf/Manchester/ManchesterPano2.jpg

^^^wow, i can actualy see liverpool in the far right of the that photo, good shot!!!!

what an excellent photo.
is your camera on 'auto' settings? this might explain the contrast between each shot you took, which makes the stitch become noticable.
also i think there is some camera shake or slight lack of focus.
if i took that shot i'd use a tripod, a high aperture, a long exposure, and manual focus. autofocus doesn't work well with fog, haze, low light, etc.
lovely shot never the less.

one last thing, longy may disagree- if you're shooting from that angle, wouldn't it be better done in the early morning as the light would be behind you and behind the haze and therefore the haze wouldn't be lit up? something like that. also the buildings would be in comparision lit up more than the haze as direct light would be reflecting off them.
i wish i still had my wheels, i'd love to do shots like these.

Future, yes - I was thinking Liverpool too but wasn't 100% sure. Large protrusion on the left is the cathedral, small protrusion on the right is Beetham? Hmmm, someone needs to draw some lines on a map.

Comdot, I agree, shooting the same pic at the crack of dawn would yield far better results because of the advantageous lighting, trouble is I can't get my arse out of bed. Also, yes it was on auto* (Aperture Priority) since that's all I know from my football shooting. I really must learn how to drive this thing!

*my mistake - drink kicking in now!

wow. fantastic

would you mind if i did a future skyline montage thingy on that highfi?

Future, yes - I was thinking Liverpool too but wasn't 100% sure. Large protrusion on the left is the cathedral, small protrusion on the right is Beetham? Hmmm, someone needs to draw some lines on a map.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/golddigga19/ManchesterPano2.jpg

If anyone was mad enough you could do both future skylines on the same pic. I bet that's never been done before!

If anyone was mad enough you could do both future skylines on the same pic. I bet that's never been done before!

That's sounds like a challenge to me. You're on. :)

wow. fantastic

would you mind if i did a future skyline montage thingy on that highfi?

Would I 'eck, go for it. I'll send you the four original pictures if you want, might be able to alter the brightness on each one to improve the final stitch. I've just got no time - my son is 10 in the morning, I should be in bed waiting for him to get me up at 7am!

Would I 'eck, go for it. I'll send you the four original pictures if you want, might be able to alter the brightness on each one to improve the final stitch. I've just got no time - my son is 10 in the morning, I should be in bed waiting for him to get me up at 7am!

Nah your stitch is fine for the job i reckon. I actually quite like that blue light.

And 7am! you should consider yourself (relatively) lucky!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/golddigga19/ManchesterPano2.jpg

I'm convinced 100% now future. Here's a higher res crop showing Manchester (Salford?) and Liverpool in one pic. I was talking to a chap up there who was walking his dog, he said he was up there the other evening and he could see Snowdon - damn I wish I was up there that evening!!!

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/carlf/Manchester/Liverpool.jpg

high-five where is your pic taken from?

If you had carried on a bit more you may have got Blackpool Tower in aswell which is visible from up there! :)
Great shot anyway.

high-five where is your pic taken from?

I think it's from Hartshead Pike near Ashton - it was mentioned a few pages back.

Great picture!

You'll have to ask Very Hi-Fi the exact spot but this is the general area

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=hartshead+pike&sll=53.474919,-2.011442&sspn=0.027177,0.069437&ie=UTF8&ll=53.519926,-2.064443&spn=0.013574,0.034719&t=h&z=15

^^ Yep, about 50 yards north of the circular building at the top of the hill. I'm not sure if the hill is the Pike or the building is the Pike?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3224/2600391081_452a13ec44_b.jpg

flickr, jhezza http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhezza/2600391081/sizes/l/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27759049@N06/2600774462/

:eek2:

:drool:

Quality!

From the BBC News website
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/uk_enl_1214314035/html/1.stm

The Manchester Mega Photo is Aidan O'Rourke's collage of about 300 images taken from the top of Manchester's Beetham Tower. It goes on display at Urbis from July.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/uk_enl_1214314035/img/1.jpg

That must have been taken quite a while ago. Great Northern is still going up and City Tower is still grey. It looks like Chancery Place is missing. I think 1 New York Streets core would just be in if it was taken now. The white crane near the gardens marks the point where The Lighthouse would be.

2006-ish?

2006-ish?

Could be but am sure I've seen that image before. He should do another later in the year and then compare the two. Also he should try and include Piccadilly plus more of Spinningfields. It would look amazing.

He probably did it during construction - he went up on the roof when they topped out.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k103/samorost/UEVB/VB18M.jpg

Great pic! Winter Hill TV mast looking good in the distance, I wish they would make it into a Toronto-type TV Tower, imagine the views...

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k103/samorost/UEVB/VB18M.jpg


That is a beaut for sure.
Where is it from though? I dont know of any high buildings/ cranes/ television masts/ hot air balloon /some other tall thing nutters like you dont mind clambering up in that part area.
You been up in that Police helicopter again?

Thanks chogmook and longford

It's Hathersage Road crane by Victoria Baths.
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:D

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Thanks chogmook and longford

It's Hathersage Road crane by Victoria Baths.
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:D

I suspected there would chicanery involved! :shifty:
Didnt know there was a tower crane on site.
Stirling work as ever ...................you fucking nutter! :nuts:

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:drool:

I've just started a job in St Mary's. Next time I get an oppurtunity, i'll get a snap from the 6th floor. fantastic.

Flickr Pic from lynzlefish

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3043/2621538857_e268ec184a_b.jpg

Flickr pic from gobayode

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Flickr pic from gobayode

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3029/2628213195_acc83fb7d7_b.jpg

Great photo from a rarely seen angle.

Whats that tall building down deansgate? (above sunlight house in this photo) I'm having a mindblank...

This angle will look good when the southern gateway is further developed.

I used to go out with a girl who lived on the top floor of one of those blocks of flats.
I used to enjoy the view but i was more interested in jumping her bones to be honest so never bothered with taking pics.

^^ Well done on your 7000 posts by the way! :cheers:

North tower?

Whats that tall building down deansgate? (above sunlight house in this photo) I'm having a mindblank...


Just above the small dome? Isn't it No 1 Deansgate?

^^ Well done on your 7000 posts by the way! :cheers:

I dont really think its cause for celebration!
:old:

It's only when you get an angle like this for a city shot that you can justify how Manchester skyline is NOT flat! Here many of the mid-rise buildings we have can be seen in their true context without cancelling each other out as they do on most shots..

Still, Beetham is being the big daddy of them all on that shot, I cannae wait til it sees its competition down the way.

Possibly the worst angle of the CJC. Great pic though.

Thanks for discussing my Manchester Mega-Photo - just for clarification, the photo was taken 10 February 2006. It has taken this long to find an opportunity to display it. It is now there in Urbis and only when you see it up close can you get the effect of the massive detail, combined with massive size - 27 feet across by 10 feet high.

Each of the 300 or so images is a high resolution photograph in its own right.

Now that the format has been realised, and is on display, I will be taking it forward and one thing I would like to do is take another shot from the top of the Beetham Hilton to document the changes, but I will probably wait for a while yet.

I'm going to take shots from other buildings in Manchester too and other cities.

Please get along to Urbis and see the real thing, it looks umpteen times better than on a computer screen.

my skyline photos from citylofts

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/golddigga19/P050708_1601.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/golddigga19/P050708_160101.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/golddigga19/P050708_160102.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/golddigga19/P050708_160103.jpg

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Cracking stuff Future, I'd love to take some pics from up there. I hope you don't mind me sticking your pics together...

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Flickr pic from gobayode

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Blimey - if you took out Beetham Tower from that picture, It would pass for Wolverhampton!

Blimey - if you took out Beetham Tower from that picture, It would pass for Wolverhampton!

I've been to Wolverhampton. (and Cannock) That's miles better.

Can I bore you as well. I used to have spiked hair. (Marti Pellow style)
Before being allowed into a night club in Wolverhampton the bouncer took it upon himself to flatted my spikes down just Incase I was hiding a gun in my hair. I asked him if he was serious and he just looked at me. "Pat away." I said.

flickr pic taken from Saddleworth by terrier blue:

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by andy1878:

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by artaddict2

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Cracking stuff Future, I'd love to take some pics from up there. I hope you don't mind me sticking your pics together...

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looks great^^^

because i was absolutely shocked by high-fi picture from hartshead pike the one that showed liverpool (barely) i took my binoculars & digital camera upto counthill,oldham which is pretty much due north of hartshead pike..it was 7am,pretty clear with abit of early morning misty hazy stuff, a beautiful morning..

i clocked runcorn bridge straight away with the naked eye,it stuck out like a sore thumb,infact the picture below does'nt do it justice,it was miles clearer..it took me awhile to find the catherdral but resting the binoculars on a drystone wall and breathing like a sniper, i could just about make it out on the horizon..could'nt get it on camera though (it's only a casio exilim 10.1mp)...anyway here the picture i took, look for the redline,thats runcorn bridge....
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u104/roughyedspud/oldhamlandscapes002.jpg

Sorry for shocking you Spud, I didn't mean to.
Yours looks like another good vantage point. Are those the flats at the end of Ripponden Road? I guess Liverpool would have been way off to the right.
Your 10mp sensor is more than enough close up but you'll always struggle to get the long range detail using a camera with such a small lens.

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Have you been up my hill? You posh, west types require a permit to venture east you know! What are those four grain silos doing there?
Craking pic though Ed.

Have you been up my hill? You posh, west types require a permit to venture east you know! What are those four grain silos doing there?
Craking pic though Ed.

Yes - i got a nosebleed after passing IKEA and had to pay a highwayman to pass along Mossley Road!

The grain silos are .............erm..............erh................urh............i'm not exactly sure to be honest. Is it the "Shameless" flats in Openshaw?

Anyway - here is another one.
I call it 'Oldham Sunset' because it shows a sunset over Oldham.
Clever eh?

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That's lovely ed :)

We've been having some great sunsets recently. Saturday's was amazing.

Great skyline shot of Manchester city Centre with the Pennines in the background.

Sorry, can't remember the site I saved if from. Apologies to the person who took the picture and the website.

Note, Piccadilly tower has since been refurbed and No3 Hardman Street has since been built.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Manchester_Skyline_Image67777.jpg

That pic is from Wikipedia^^.. It's great.

That pic is from Wikipedia^^.. It's great.

That's it. Thanks.

Great skyline shot of Manchester city Centre with the Pennines in the background.

Sorry, can't remember the site I saved if from. Apologies to the person who took the picture and the website.

Note, Piccadilly tower has since been refurbed and No3 Hardman Street has since been built.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Manchester_Skyline_Image67777.jpg

I think afew more than that are missing, if you look carefully. Well in the middle construction.

Picture by edwud's on Flickr.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/2667897990_5176f7bbb9_o.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k103/samorost/Skyline2.jpg

Courtesy of the 28dayslater chaps.

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Taken from the observation platform of the Imperial War Museum on saturday.

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The only good thing to come out of tonights match. The Skyline looked great tonight from COMS. Got a few other shots that I'll post tomorrow. BTW, there's a new whopping crane at the MRI or it's an old one which has been significantly increased in height. Picture tomorrow.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2646/onlyaa1.jpg

this morning
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/896NorthManchesterSunriseFromMagnoliaCourt_pic1.jpg

quays last night
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/897SalfordQuays_pic1.jpg

this morning
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/896NorthManchesterSunriseFromMagnoliaCourt_pic1.jpg

very nice comdot

ta

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/899BBCnewheadquartersconstruction_pic1.jpg

last night
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/900NorthManchesteratdusk_pic1.jpg

cis tower on the right, skyline central on the left, new hotel in the centre.

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tad blurred - shame

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brilliant :applause:

^^ ditto :cheers:

Gordie has a look...

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45037000/gif/_45037854_brownbig.gif

Gordie has a look...

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45037000/gif/_45037854_brownbig.gif

Gordon Brown being interviewed by Andrew Marr overlooking Manchester City Centre from Cloud 23, Beetham Tower. Enlarge the screen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7627812.stm

i love how he says 'nobody could have expected that out of this subprime market in the states you could have this world financial crisis'
tell that to philip falcone, john paulson, and george soros.

The old stone college building at the bottom centre of ManMed's pic. is currently covered in a thick covering of red and green ivy. It looks awesome!

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Heres an interesting one from 1988. Some history. The skyline hasnt changed so much really.

http://the-railway-image.fotopic.net/p16690775.html

Thanks to Mr Flitcroft

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/Red_Bank.jpg

I love that photo

youve taken some really really good photo's here well done, manchester is becoming very bulky and photogenic nowadays
:)

Michael Ashton's photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/26878207@N06/2890047338/

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flikr pic - nice view u norm sayn

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check the people chillin

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dint appreciate the importance of the great northern tower

afternoon all i'm in manchester tommorow and wondered if you could provide me with what you think are the best points in the city to take a skyline photo of manchester from?

afternoon all i'm in manchester tommorow and wondered if you could provide me with what you think are the best points in the city to take a skyline photo of manchester from?

unless you plan to go a bit far out i'd recommend the junction of oldfield road and hampson street, in salford. this is where middlewood locks is. nice side-on of beetham. city, arndale, spinningfields all visible.
there's also a few good chinese round there.

here's one of beetham i got from there.
weather not looking great for sunday, not sure i'd bother trekking out from the city centre to get a skyline pic in this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/images/symbols/fiveday_sym/3.gif

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/132BeethamTowerManchester_pic47.jpg

cheers comdot the best view i've had are barton bridge and also from broughton in salford

cheers comdot the best view i've had are barton bridge and also from broughton in salford

both good. broughton is good, nearly got mugged last time i went there.

both good. broughton is good, nearly got mugged last time i went there.

I have to walk through Broughton on the way into the city, its not too bad in the day time but I wouldn't go out after sunset unless with company.

Frederick Road near Salford Precinct offers an ok view from a railway bridge, see everything from CIS tower to the Hilton tower.

cheers as you can guess dint end up goin in today had a few to many in town last nyt.. but ill take ur advice and certainly get a session asap.

The best views seem to be from the north/northwest.

North Manchester Golf Club. (Heaton Park)
Bury New Rd or Great Clowes St. (Higher Broughton)
Boggart Hole Clough (Blackley)
M60 Barton Bridge over the Ship Canal (you need to break down though)

On the far southeast though I've never been, there are fabulous views from a hill somewhere near Hyde.