Might as well have a temporary thread for these too.

Today from 450m up near Saddleworth Moor.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P8050085copy.jpg

Beetham is already making a great impact on that skyline

Been kind of busy preparing home for the forthcoming arrival of my daughter and work hasn't taken me to many good photo locations recently. Taken a bit to the south of chris's last pic from between Ashton and Mossley

http://freake.demon.co.uk/man001.jpg

cheers for that pic dj,,,,the cores for Skyline Central really stand out there

Great photo. The new cladding on Sunley is sure making an impact.

Great photo. The new cladding on Sunley is sure making an impact.
Sure is, but we will have to wait for the sides being painted and the top tidied up before it looks decent. Portland tower looks shit painted black, looks like it has been coated with tar.I hate it

I quite like Portland tower painted black, definately much better than before, but I dont think it will look as good as Sunley when it is finished. Sunley is getting fresh black panels (so you wont get the tar coat look) whereas Portland was just as good as painted black.

Portland was engulfed in flames t'other night, apparently. Anybody know of any damage?

Apparently it was the illuminated sign that caught fire. Don't think it was too serious.

Some views from the Hacienda!

http://www.360spin.co.uk/mcr/index.htm

That website is great Chogger's,,,thank you

caw do you think we'll be getting are old skyline threads back soon?

I know as much as you about when threads will be coming back.

I can vission al those knew skyscrapers so much better now THNX whoever took that picture of the skyline!!!

Not posted any for a while so here are some from today

Beetham has really muscled into first place on most skyline shots now.
From Royton

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man002.jpg

From Collyhurst

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man003.jpg

Rochdale Road

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man005.jpg

About as much of the Ramada as anyone would want to see

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man006.jpg

good pics, is that cjc in your first pic, to the right of north tower?

That shot from Royston would be fantastic on a clear day,,cheers dj

This skyline panorama (albeit a tad overcast) was taken earlier today from the fourth storey of Houldsworth Mill in Reddish - which commands some great views over South Manchester. Beetham Tower is very prominent on the far left of the pic - almost stealing the limelight from the other three major towers on the city skyline. Notice how spread out everything appears cos of the angle from where the city centre is being viewed (approx 44 degrees South-East)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/mckopper/P8180001.jpg

I also have a longer stretched panoramic shot which takes in the Fallowfield University campus tower block..... the range visible here is something like 5.3 miles.....

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/mckopper/MCRskyline2.jpg



BTW - every picture I upload onto any website always looks crummy in colour and blurred to fuck for some reason - I guess - as ever - it's a Mac thing, cos when I open these JPGS up in Photoshop they look as sharp as some of the ones the rest of you have posted here. I guess I'll never ever be able to compete with the Windows-owning elite the world over....

Might as well have a temporary thread for these too.

Today from 450m up near Saddleworth Moor.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P8050085copy.jpg



On my many many trips to Saddleworth this summer travelling via Mossley and Hartshead Pike I see this brilliant panoramic vista of the city spread out below us (with Oldham in the foreground)- but my camera can't get any pics of it mainly cos I'm on a bus speeding up the A-roads that climb to this impressive altitude and besides, any pics would inevitably be blurred to buggery and totally useless anyway....but one day I will alight near here and climb to the Pike and get some better shots when the weather is at its clearest. This part of Oldham (near the three-way boundary split between Lancashire, Yorkshire and Cheshire) has some of the best viewpoints from the north-east side looking down over the city....it's no coincidence that I always tend to come up here.

Ta for those shots dj and Martin.

MG - Is Houldsworth Mill the Hat Museum? Might have to have a gander in there! Nice to see shots of the skyline with a nice chunk of greenery.

I took that photo the day I saw you at Greenfields MG! Bloody good viewpoint, you could see Liverpool and Jodrell Bank and some bloody distant windfarm somewhere past Rochdale.

MG - Is Houldsworth Mill the Hat Museum? Might have to have a gander in there! Nice to see shots of the skyline with a nice chunk of greenery.



No - Houldsworth Mill isn't the Hat Museum Of Utter Crap, that is in the town centre on the A6 and commands a fine view of the bus station (!), whilst this mill complex is situated in Reddish - a large Stockport suburb three miles to the north east of the town centre. It's a huge domineering structure that has been converted into posh flats (what isn't these days) but still has a scuzzy underdeveloped area near the back that houses some wholesale warehouses and those "shopping village" type arcades on the upper floors which never seem to make any money cos no people ever shop there (you know the type - filled with craft shops and such like). It's amazing these shops still remain cos as you can expect give each one a few months and then they close up and move on elsewhere - leaving loads of empty units that just look pathetic in all their redundancy, despite having council money spent on creating these units and being painted in nice olde worlde colours with timber surrounds and suchlike.

Architecturally, Houldsworth Mill IS actually quite impressive - if only for the scale of the thing. Here's some pics....

http://www.british-publishing.co.uk/Media/Stockport/N007.jpg

http://www.theridge.ac.uk/enterprise/images/mill.jpg



and on this link are a few pics of what the shopping arcade looks like inside:

http://members.aol.com/keyuk/shops.html

BTW - every picture I upload onto any website always looks crummy in colour and blurred to fuck for some reason - I guess - as ever - it's a Mac thing, cos when I open these JPGS up in Photoshop they look as sharp as some of the ones the rest of you have posted here. I guess I'll never ever be able to compete with the Windows-owning elite the world over....
What a bizarre thing to say! Macs are generaly perceived as better graphics platforms than windows boxes, Photoshop runs far better on my Mac G5 than my better halfs P4. your mill shots are clear and sharp with very few artifacts. Your panoramas however are full of JPEG artifacts, at a guess they are overcompressed. Also the flat lighting and haze accentuate the JPEG artifacting.
Some of Photoshops default settings are a bit off for general camera to web work, try Googling a few photoshop tutorials-there are loads out there.
Most Mac users (myself included) see ourselves as the the elite in the great unwashed windows world. :runaway:

Macs kick arse bud, G5 G4's never doubt em', you think the magazines and the everyday newspapers you read are produced on a windows Operating system? Lmao...

The media use macs as standard for Quark, Photo...Pc's are for email and black and white print outs...Gutted that Mac have decided on going with pentium for future CpU's, absolutley gutted!

Macs kick arse bud, G5 G4's never doubt em', you think the magazines and the everyday newspapers you read are produced on a windows Operating system? Lmao...

The media use macs as standard for Quark, Photo...Pc's are for email and black and white print outs...Gutted that Mac have decided on going with pentium for future CpU's, absolutley gutted!
I dont think the Intel cpu's will be that bad. If they use a new chips and not pentium's it shouldnt be to bad. In Mac's its not all the cpu that make it great. Macs are specially designed so you can get the most out of your cpu, ram and hard drive so it can handle more than a normal pc.

:bash: Gah I'm super mega pissed off!!

Was on some...hill today, and got a crackin' view of Wigan and Manchester in the background, also I had my camera! Hurrah.. so took some pics, the thumbnails on the LCD screen seemed to have captured it perfectly, get camera home to find out that its a shitty zoom on it and you can't make out the Manc skyline (City tower was very prominant in black, but Beetham stole the show (couldn't spot CIS but Arndale stuck out the fat bitch).. Nonetheless, it was nice seeing Wigan and Manc in the same view, makes Greater Manchester look massive, then turn around and see St Helens and Liverpool.. Small World (or Country, lol)..

Anyway, he is the turd in question :bash:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/ferge1985/fields.jpg

May write on whats what when I can be bothered, lol

Few skyline pics from the weekend

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b60/cnb17780/Skyline2.jpg


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b60/cnb17780/SKYLINE.jpg

nice pics. Beetham cranes look like twigs ready to snap lol.

Nice pics, the skyline's coming along well with Beetham Tower, this will be enhanced greatly when Eastgate and Hardman Square kick off ;)

Who's knows eventually we may get a Burj Manchester lol

Heres a skyline panorama I made from the webcam on top of stockport college.. Probably one of the least dense views of the city centre , but doesn't help that the arndale tower is hidden behind city tower. Interesting to see the size of skline central (or at least I think thats it) on the far right. How far is this of reaching its full height?

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b60/cnb17780/skylinepan.jpg

It's at full height already. Nice shot too. Sunley does look strange,

CAW top pictures as per usual. Have you tried going to the top of the SAS Radisson at the airport? I was there for a meeting last week and the view of the city centre is fantastic from the top floor.

I wish Liverpool City council was as forward thinking as Manchesters we have so much potential too

Climbing up into the hills today the view of the city centre was grey and misty in my mirrors, thought I wouldn't need the camera. Then a couple of hours later popping across to Oldham I was greeted by this sight. For those interested this is the car park of Austerlands Cricket Club

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man014.jpg

Sunley looks strange with the DOKAs on top!

You certainly do post some purdy pictures, deej. Thanks again.

Brill pic dj. Thanks.

thought I would do the reverse angle shot today, from the Frodsham, Helsby area. For the Doka spotters thats about 15-20 miles as the crow flies.

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man015.jpg

I like those.

A pano and closeups taken at the end of June
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/810ManchesterPanoramafromSalford_pic1.jpg
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/818ManchesterSkylinefromSalford_pic1.jpg
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/819ManchesterSkylinefromSalford_pic1.jpg

Good shots, I really like the way (from that angle) that the Edge towers and Deansgate look like 3 towers together, kind of like.. related in an odd way :S
Beetham biggin it up in the corner

Other than that though, this view has never really aspired me.. It's just messy IMO and with almost a 60 m 'curtain' that takes away all the other towers dynamics, plus I hate that Granada building, one of the worst in the city I feel.. love to see it go.. Hopefully when the taller towers add to it it'll be better but this is the ugly side of Manc I feel.

Ferge....It's only really when you drive into Manchester from certain directions (Bury New Rd is one of the best) that you realise just how inposing it is. You can't see the skyline at all from some directions, but from others, it looms up almost like a mini-Manhattan (slightly pushing the boundaries there, but I am a bit pissed, lol). There's no more an imposing view of a big city than the view from the Mancunian Way. Central Manchester is so dense, that it intimidates people from elsewhere (been said to me several times by visitors/students etc)

Some of these pics do look a bit messy, but the centre of Manchester is so big in comparison to other regional cities, that its many 60m buildings seem to dominate because there are more of them, and they go for longer. It's one reason why it now needs big towers, to get the rest into some sort of perspective.

Well thats what I was sayin, not saying the Manc skyline is flat and unimposing.. but from that view it always has been (again IMO) some of the other shots are superb and really demonstrate the height of our already existing towers (which will be minute compared to the newbies when they're all making their presence known).

Been wondering about really distant views of Manc.

Someone should get a shot from Croker Hill south of Macclesfield. The one with the prominent mast; about 25 miles away from the city centre
http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ewm/001ewm/lg/EwmQuizApr04_36.jpg
http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=393000&Y=368000&scale=25000&width=500&height=300&gride=&gridn=&lang=&db=freegaz

Does anyone reckon you'd be able to see Manc from Beeston castle? It's about 40 miles out...........

Does anyone reckon you'd be able to see Manc from Beeston castle? It's about 40 miles out...........
No. There are other hills in the way blocking the view towards Manchester. You can see Liverpool on a clear day though.

I can see Jodrell Bank from my house and that's 20ish miles away. I would have a great view of the City of Manchester Skyline if it's weren't for this idiot extending his attic into a makeshift penthouse.

Am sure you can arrange an accident with a large truck or digger and get your view back.

This is a bit old (november last year), but i thought i'd post it anyway:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/manchesterbaby/manchesterpanoramasm.jpg

The maths tower really did have a great view! Shame...

Nice pic :)
Welcome to the boards. You joined in December but only decided to post now? :D

This is a bit old (november last year), but i thought i'd post it anyway:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/manchesterbaby/manchesterpanoramasm.jpg

The maths tower really did have a great view! Shame...


Fuck me!

Thats the best skyline of Manc I 've ever seen! Its got everything! Buildings and backdrop! :shocked:

2 things!

1. Where is the picture taken from, and can someone take a picture from the same location, showing the changes to Manc skyline and the new cranes which have gone up since that picture was taken!?

2. Caw! Time to work your [B]MAGIC![B] that man :) Any chance you can put all the towers that are plan for Manc on to that skyline?(grey and black renders will do) You can get them all on, and we will finally get a true rendering of what the Manc skyline will look like in the future!

Ps! Just noticed Crown and Eastgate won't make it! If you can be arsed Caw, just stick them at the end will you!?

C'mon jrb... that pic is taken from the Maths tower! Cant get another pic from there now :D

Ps! Just noticed Crown and Eastgate won't make it!

I've made it a bit wider, should be able to get them on now (i think?) :)

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/manchesterbaby/manchesterpanoramasm3.jpg

C'mon jrb... that pic is taken from the Maths tower! Cant get another pic from there now :D

Thought it might have been taken from the Maths Tower Accura! Hoping against hope it wasn't! Atleast we've got the picture now!

I've made it a bit wider, should be able to get them on now (i think?)

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/manchesterbaby/manchesterpanoramasm3.jpg

ManchesterBaby what an entrance! 5*! Welcome!

How did you manage to get up the tower and what camera were you using?

Fantastic photo!

Eastgate would just about make it onto that one.

I'd do a render on it, but the image would need a little more sky, Eastgate would be scraping the roof of the photo! Would you mind posting a slightly bigger version ManchesterBaby? :yes:


@ Accura: There are no hills between Beeston Castle and Manchester! Remember it's slap bang in the middle of the very flat Cheshire plain. If not visible from the castle itself, I'm quite sure Manc could be seen from the higher hills behind it?

Fantastic photo!

Eastgate would just about make it onto that one.

I'd do a render on it, but the image would need a little more sky, Eastgate would be scraping the roof of the photo! Would you mind posting a slightly bigger version ManchesterBaby? :yes:


@ Accura: There are no hills between Beeston Castle and Manchester! Remember it's slap bang in the middle of the very flat Cheshire plain. If not visible from the castle itself, I'm quite sure Manc could be seen from the higher hills behind it?

Cheers Caw!

We all wait with baited breath! :)

thankyou :master: i've always wanted to see a panoramic view from there!

Theres a great mixture of buildings in the picture, old and new!

Ok, it's mainly midrise at the moment, but we all know the height/towers will be coming very soon! :)

And then!:shocked:

I'd do a render on it, but the image would need a little more sky, Eastgate would be scraping the roof of the photo! Would you mind posting a slightly bigger version ManchesterBaby? :yes:

Here you go. It's a bit bigger now:

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~jasoni0/manchesterpanoramaextendedsm.jpg

Well thats what I was sayin, not saying the Manc skyline is flat and unimposing.. but from that view it always has been (again IMO) some of the other shots are superb and really demonstrate the height of our already existing towers (which will be minute compared to the newbies when they're all making their presence known).

Oh aye.....I wasn't saying that the shots were bad(!) just that from that direction, it's not that nice a view. I don't think we'll even notice Sunley/City in a few years.

@ Accura: There are no hills between Beeston Castle and Manchester! Remember it's slap bang in the middle of the very flat Cheshire plain. If not visible from the castle itself, I'm quite sure Manc could be seen from the higher hills behind it?
That part of the plains isnt as flat as the rest of it. In fact there is another hill which is even higher which rises straight out of the flat terrain (like Beeston) that is even higher than the hill which Beeston castle is perched upon. That hill also has a castle on it. That wasnt the hill blocking the view towards Manc though cos it was more in the direction of the Welsh border.
I seem to remember a smaller ridge in between Beeston and the view northwards and eastwards.
I may be mistaken. The day I went up there wasnt the clearest of days.
Either way its still well worth a visit cos the views are terrific.

Some of the piccies I got while I was there:
http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/1640/beeston1ls.jpg

BTW, that skyline view is fantastic. One of the best I've seen :)

That Manc skyline panorama above is an absolute beauty! Fanfuckingtastic!
:)

I could never hope to get images so good from my camera anyway :(


Having said that though, I still persevere: I took these three pics of the Beetham tower going up in the distance from about 5 miles away in Gorton whilst I was walking the 7 miles between Ashton and Manchester yesterday (Saturday) around 3pm. By a neat coincidence, the A57 Hyde Road offers a brilliant distant viewpoint of the tower on the horizon, presenting its side elevation perfectly, as you head out of/into the city centre on this arterial route....it really dominates the view from afar. The building (not even at its full height yet!) looks amazingly slim and this just accentuates its sheer enormity comparative to the rest of the city buildings. It really is a monster in the making!


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/mckopper/P9030073.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/mckopper/P9030074.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/mckopper/P9030075a.jpg


And here are two more distant views of the city skyline from a favourite vantage point of mine (again - but with better sunnier weather this time) - Houldsworth Mill in Reddish, outside Stockport.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/mckopper/P9030071a.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/mckopper/P9030076.jpg

Having said that though, I still persevere: I took these three pics of the Beetham tower going up in the distance from about 5 miles away in Gorton

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/mckopper/P9030073.jpg


Fuck me sideways, shes gonna blow down in the wind!

You say 5 miles, but the sign on the left says 2. ;)

Fab shots.

Sorry - I really meant to say that I'd just WALKED five miles from Ashton-Under-Lyne before taking these pics at this very spot (5 + 2 = 7 in total, see?) - that's yet another faux pas of mine in an increasing line which just goes to prove that I AM beginning to show my fucking old age now aren't I?? In fact it's not even Gorton where these pics were taken, but West Gorton/Belle Vue - Gorton being another mile eastwards. I'd just walked from Ashton, via Audenshaw and Denton before passing this point. ;)

Martin - I was on this very road today and was wishing I had my camera (btw - anyone who can sort me a driver for my scanner win's some chocolate cigarettes).
Lo and behold...them spooks in your house Martin reading my mind map in braille.

http://www.scanner-drivers.com/

Ey Martin you must have walked past my house,you should have popped in for a brew :)

Great pics of Beetham this is how ive seen it grow over the past 12 months,shes becoming a beauty alright .

Ey Martin you must have walked past my house,you should have popped in for a brew :)

Great pics of Beetham this is how ive seen it grow over the past 12 months,shes becoming a beauty alright .


Well, how the frig do I know which house you lived in and where?! That straight main A57 road is some seven or eight miles long you know! :dunno:

Well, how the frig do I know which house you lived in and where?! That straight main A57 road is some seven or eight miles long you know! :dunno:


hehe,,,,i live in the last house on the left,third street on the right,,,you know where i mean :laugh: :runaway:

Cheers KITR, I fear my old 'Tiny' branded scanner is past help though. Lost the CD and driver when I built my new pc a while back - too tight to fork out for a new one.

How about trying to get manchesterbaby's picture as a banner,
Something like this perhaps?
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/panoramicviewofmanchester.jpg

would you mind that manchesterbaby?

Great idea.

Would need rotating slightly though.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/mathsbanner.jpg

that's slightly better. of course we need manchesterbabys permission.

This message has appeared in the Leeds forum:-

...........another one to add to the long list of skyscraper projects in Leeds.

This will make 13 towers 26 storeys or over either proposed or under construction- there can't be many cities in the Uk or Europe with more.

Pro rata Manchester should have more than double this number - does it ?

This message has appeared in the Leeds forum:-

...........another one to add to the long list of skyscraper projects in Leeds.

This will make 13 towers 26 storeys or over either proposed or under construction- there can't be many cities in the Uk or Europe with more.

Pro rata Manchester should have more than double this number - does it ?

Not really the ideal thread to ask this. Doesn't matter though.

Manchester has around 20 projects above 26 storeys. However, if you lowered the criteria to a less arbitrary figure(ie. not the one that suits Leeds best!) say, 20 floors, it would be more like double. ;)

That pano seems soo so soooo wrong with just a tiny doka stump for beetham.. hasn't that tower been around for years? lol.. certainly seems it and the skyline looks empty without it.. It'd be nice if we had a more recent image of this, alas.. it will never quite be (unless we find a nearby tower or they build us a new n', lol).

Not really the ideal thread to ask this. Doesn't matter though.

Manchester has around 20 projects above 26 storeys. However, if you lowered the criteria to a less arbitrary figure(ie. not the one that suits Leeds best!) say, 20 floors, it would be more like double. ;)

Thanks CAW. I think you have double the number of cranes.

More recent image of manchesterbabys' panorama?

LOL.

Irony. Maths Tower.

How about trying to get manchesterbaby's picture as a banner,
...
would you mind that manchesterbaby?

No not at all! Go ahead...

It's just a bit out of date, Beetham-wise, which is a bit of a shame...

/\ nice, i'll suggest it now. (:

Some photos from today

War Museum pano
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/822ManchesterSkyline_pic1.jpg

Looking down the ship canal from lovely Ordsall
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/823ManchesterSkyline_pic1.jpg

From the lowry car park
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/821Manchesterskyline_pic1.jpg

Top class pics CAW.

Those pics of Caw's are awesome, if and when our proposed towers get built, it just shows that the argument that Manchester won't have a cluster is rubbish ,look at GN tower ,imagine it fully built on that pano its going to make quite an impression.
Eastgate and Albany will be situated slap bang in between GN and Beetham what have we got? a cluster :)

Look at most skyline's from around the world and most pictures are taken from a distance creating a cluster.
Once our towers start construction certain view points from around the city will create a cluster in Manchester, exciting times my friends, roll on with the revolution :)

I didn't even notice you could see GN til you mentioned it, bloody hell how did I miss that?! Thats gonna have a bigger impact than I thought when done..

here's a crappy pano i got from castlefield today.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/castlefieldpano.jpg

Is that Castlefield House on the right? What a minga!

Yeh, it's in the process of demolition now, There are holes revealing the foundations by the side of it, i hope they blow it up :yes:

It's getting renovated not demolished. :cry:

aww what! ARG!

Someone I know just moved into one of those new Castlefield flats on Liverpool Road (next to the Y Health club and opposite the Museum of Science and Industry.) yesterday in fact.

I was 'knocking' around an old mill straddling Middlewood Locks today.
Took some footage, though no stills good for this thread.
I may be back fairly soon...if not the Middlewood Locks area (off chapel street/james street) presents what for me is the densest, most fanastic view of central manchester.
Beetham looks sleek enough from here too.

I like those.

A pano and closeups taken at the end of June
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/810ManchesterPanoramafromSalford_pic1.jpg
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/818ManchesterSkylinefromSalford_pic1.jpg
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/819ManchesterSkylinefromSalford_pic1.jpg

That's the one Northy.

Also took this one t'other day.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P9060043copy.jpg

Mwa, mwa.
Cheers Chris.
All fenced off for Middlewood Locks action.
Looks a bit ropey round there, but what's this area generally like?

Isn't Fusion next door? There's such activity round there that it can't be too long before this is yet another finger of the city marching on.

Soon Middlewood Locks will land and obliterate that view!

Here are a couple of zoomed views from the bridge over the railway at Ardwick station. A team point if you can spot Salford Cathedral in the 1st one.
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/825ManchesterSkyline_pic1.jpg

Crown, Eastgate, Piccadilly Place coming soon.......
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/824ManchesterSkyline_pic1.jpg

Between the town hall and that building with the chunky white top.
Ha ha i win!

Portland grows on me more with every photo. It actually looks quite nice with a little sun reflecting off the windows.

Beetham really beginning to dominate now, LOL. Go Manc! :drunk:

City tower actually looks quite good on that photo. Once they've cleaned the top up and the sides.

I work in Manchester every couple of weeks. Often at the GMEX. I took a few pics in the Summer whilst working at the Oasis gig at Man City, couple of months ago.

http://tinypic.com/dvgeue.jpg

Sorry forgot to resize

Cropped and resized, from the top of City of Manchester Stadium

http://tinypic.com/dvgjfa.jpg

wow! thats good, nice one nick,

i can feel a render coming on!

Yes, nice pic, thanks - Carefull showing off Manchester's finest, it might not be appreciated in the brummie's threads lol ;)

Cheers Nick. The Victorian stuff in Ancoats (in the foreground) is starting to look really good, with the modern city growing out of it.....(which is largely what Manchester is)

It's always nice when a Brummie appears appreciative, and v.v. Bill Clinton's certainly got an eye for detail, hasn't he? ;)

Cheers Nick. The Victorian stuff in Ancoats (in the foreground) is starting to look really good, with the modern city growing out of it.....(which is largely what Manchester is)

It's always nice when a Brummie appears appreciative, and v.v. Bill Clinton's certainly got an eye for detail, hasn't he? ;)
I think our Bill just might have actually 'inhaled' his joint that time, when he was in Brum. :)

Been in the heartshead pike area recently..managed a few pics..twas a bit gloomy though..


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/markdavies/P9200004edit.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/markdavies/P9200003edit.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/markdavies/P9200001edit.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/markdavies/Screenshot-19_09_200521_28_44.gif

Gloomy? You can see bloody Wales! :omg:

Gloomy? You can see bloody Wales! :omg:


Is that not the ridge of Helsby/Frodsham rather than the Welsh hills

Nope. It's the Clywidian hills.

Pomona skyline

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/markdavies/P9210018edit.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/markdavies/P9210014edit.gif

You've got a pretty good zoom on your camera, man med if you've taken them from Hartshead Pike. I've taken binoculars up there and not seen close shots like those you took ;)

Been in the heartshead pike area recently..managed a few pics..twas a bit gloomy though..



Is that the Fiddlers Ferry Power Station in the background?

What camera is it? I think I want one!

14x optical..its the same cam caw uses i think,
Olympus super zoom fella.. cant remember the name its 765 or sumtin ill find out 4 u.

Olympus c-765 ultra zoom

10x optical - 14x super zoom

2 more from last week....

Swinton way

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/markdavies/P9230014.jpg

thingy park in Broughton

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/markdavies/P9230015.jpg

2 more from last week....

Swinton way

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/markdavies/P9230014.jpg

thingy park in Broughton

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/markdavies/P9230015.jpg

1st one is Rabbit Hills, Pendlebury (home of Langworhty RLFC)

2nd one is Albert Park, Higher Broughton/Charlestown

Here's my contribution...

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/Sundornian/DSCF1019.jpg

Good Work that man. I think there is chance for a real big cluster round there. Not least the car park it was taken from but also incl. City tower to the right and the demolition of one or two of the crappy 60's buildings between the midrises would produce something really dense should they be replaced with mid/highrises.

14x optical..its the same cam caw uses i think,
Olympus super zoom fella.. cant remember the name its 765 or sumtin ill find out 4 u.

Mines the Olympus C750. ie, the one before yours. Quite pissed off about that because the slightly improved 765 was released a couple of months after I bought the 750 which is now discontinued, I think. The 765 is also now about £100 cheaper than the 750 was when I bought it 18 months ago.

Albert Park? Not the best place to wave a posh camera about! :runaway:

A view from Pomona on September 7th. Bloody crane infestation.
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/826ManchesterSkyline_pic1.jpg

I must go to Pomona one day! :)

Some views from 16th floor of the monstorous Portland Tower, September 2004
http://www.spinneyhead.php-systems.com/photos/Sept2004/pod040904.jpg
http://www.spinneyhead.php-systems.com/photos/Sept2004/pod030904.jpg
http://www.spinneyhead.php-systems.com/photos/Sept2004/pod020904.jpg

from this site
http://www.spinneyhead.co.uk/photos/photos.php?TopicID=2004


Btw, if anyone happens to be in the Moston area, near Lightbowne Road, in Broadhurst Park, have a look if there's a good skyline view. Should be. Shit area though.

Today from the Arena carpark

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/2october008.jpg

Grimy view from Victoria Station circa 1982 with a newish Arndale.

http://www.images.manchester.gov.uk/web/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=9418

Look at them funny little buses.

It's easy to forget how dirty and depressing Manchester once was, and that the older buildings still around are some of the best.

Grimy view from Victoria Station circa 1982 with a newish Arndale.

http://www.images.manchester.gov.uk/web/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=9418


I've allways thought that site would be great as a posh hotel or collection of bars,restaurants. Much like opposite the Gare du Nord in Paris. Little touches could make town feel so much more accessable and friendly.

Manchester has so many locations that are being used totally wrong and the City centre doesnt 'flow' as much as it could do. That 'hanging ditch' site, whitworth st carpark, both carparks on church st, the Ramada site, elizabeth house etc need sorting out.

Those were the original centreline buses which ran between Victoria and Piccadilly only. At the time, all transpennine trains and most Liverpool trains used Victoria. There was an hourly diesel hauled proper inter-city service from Liverpool to Newcastle, and that was it!

I was about 13 when that pic was taken. Manchester wasn't that depressing, trust me! In reality, it wasn't substantially different from today.

I remember those little buses, weren't they electric powered?

Oh, and agreed with Jongeman, I was about 11 when that picture was taken and it wasn't that depressing, bit scruffy in places, but not depressing. Suppose that the photo being in B&W doesn't help.

No they had diesel engines Weasty. I remember them. Yep, I was around Manchester in 1982 and sure, it wasn't that different to today. I was thinking a bit further back, when every building was black. I'm a child of the sixties when the CIS was shouting out a new age of modernity, and I remember a lot of black buildings then and how wonderful they looked when cleaned up to reveal the golden stone. I remember my Grandad telling me he walked from Gorton to Preston to try to get a job. And he didn't get it. We used to visit them. I remember red wreck, terraced houses, toilet out back, newspaper on a nail, dog hairs and cat sick on the carpet. Depressing.

I remember red wreck, terraced houses, toilet out back, newspaper on a nail, dog hairs and cat sick on the carpet. Depressing.

Eh, you've obviously never been to my fuckin house then! My cat likes shitting behind the washing machine, but I suppose getting rid of the mangle was progress in itself.

Ay up. Mangle? You had a mangle? You lucky bastard!

Jeez, it's hard finding pictures of dirty black buildings. I wanted to post some up as a reminder that beautiful clean stone is a relatively modern thing.

Aye. The Town Hall used to be pitch black.
http://www.images.manchester.gov.uk/web/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=70649

1959
http://www.images.manchester.gov.uk/web/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=71940
http://www.images.manchester.gov.uk/web/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=66977

Town Hall during cleaning
http://www.images.manchester.gov.uk/web/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=71983

Definitive source for photos of dirty old black buildings: http://www.images.manchester.gov.uk/

It's not so long ago that I remember central ref being cleaned....mid 80s-ish. I assume that stone buildings need cleaning periodically due to 'normal' levels of atmospheric pollution.....?

The three graces in Liverpool also used to be pitch black. Looks very wierd, especially in colour pics.

From Oldham last week...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/markdavies/Picture057.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/markdavies/Picture058.jpg

A bit old(no Beetham, etc), but still a nice shot of the city centre!

http://www.marketingmanchester.com/news/images/uploaded/0/4/0400ac2f5de8854f.jpg

that is one of my favourite shots, ever! they used it on the front of the manchester uni prospectus one year.

noticed today that theres a really good viewpoint comin into piccadilly on the train between ashburys and ardwick; looks quite clustered round sunley from there. i would take a pic, but i dont wanna look stupid on a train packed full of commuters or get my camera knicked. if any1 is in that area, take a piccy please!

Manchester conurbation seen from Werneth Low at night

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/McrWernethNtVw5101.jpg

Man Med, I really like that picture you took from Oldham, showing the mills of manchester past and the construction of manchester future!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/upnundernight005.jpg

wow, the pods look ace. I'll be riding them tommroow :cheers:

Will be nice to see some new pics from the Wheel to compare views within the space of 12 months, as a great deal has changed..

is it me or is this wheel bigger than the other?

Looks identical in size to me.

Couple from Heartshead Pike yesterday

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man033.jpg

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man034.jpg

Compare Beetham with this shot from 30th June

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man035.jpg

Isn't it strange that Widnes is *always* visible from there?

Bury New Road, anyone brave enough to take this one at night?
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/PA140106copy.jpg

An alignment of silver
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/PA140107copy.jpg

Crane City
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/PA140102copy.jpg

this might interest you Chris

Geograph (http://www.geograph.co.uk/)

this will certainly get you posting

Hulme arch (http://www.geograph.co.uk/photo/3769)

No Beetham

That's a bloody mammoth task.


Here are some photos from the 15th floor of Oakhill Court, Higher Broughton. The security guard initially refused us entry but then a friendly resident offered to take us up. Because of the way the block faces not much of town is visible from the stairwells, which is a shame because it's the main reason I went up there! While it's only 15 floors, OC is on a hill about 70mASL, so you can see over much taller buildings.

That lovely church on shithole Waterloo Road, with Sportcity in the background.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/PA140115copy.jpg

Tower blocks in Eccles just poke over the top of Buile Hill. Fiddlers Ferry Power station is visible 23 miles away in Widnes. And the welsh hills can be fainty seen, 45 miles out.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/PA140119copy.jpg

Trafford and part of the Quays.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/PA140122copy.jpg

The Trafford Centre, and in the distance some structures which I think are next to the main road from the north west to north wales?? Anyone know the exact location?
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/PA140131copy.jpg

All I could get of the city centre.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/PA140129copy.jpg

Pendleton and the Quays. The NV buildings appear to merge into one. You can see hills deep into Cheshire - Beeston?
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/PA140121copy.jpg

The beautiful Oakhill Court. :runaway:
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/2843OakhillCourt_pic2.jpg

I'm going to do Nine Acre Court in Ordsall next, a far better spot.

beauties mate, beauties...

Here's one of my pathetic efforts this morning..
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/pookey1967/wellington1610.jpg

Fantastic those caw. And Pookey that's a goodun. North Tower can look good in the right light IMO

Nice pics caw, pookey. Appreciated.

The Trafford Centre, and in the distance some structures which I think are next to the main road from the north west to north wales?? Anyone know the exact location?


Big water tower in Runcorn?

Here is the reverse view from the Frodsham/Helsby area

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man036.jpg

Wow.

City of Gold.

Not strictly on topic, but often in pictures of the Manchester skyline

Fiddlers Ferry

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man037.jpg

Not far fron pookeys shot..from on the foot bridge..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/markdavies/sky140012atxt.jpg

btw top pix fellas, keep em coming eh.

Isn't it strange that Widnes is *always* visible from there?

Bury New Road, anyone brave enough to take this one at night?
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/PA140106copy.jpg


^^ That is one fucking fantastic telephoto shot that Chris - I walk around here quite alot myself (around Cheetham Hill shopping area) - myself usually armed and very dangerous. ;)

I've seen pictures of you martin, you're bald. So, is that you advancing on chris?

The structures in the Trafford centre shot are the water tower in Runcorn and Daresbury Labortories site I think.

I've seen pictures of you martin, you're bald. So, is that you advancing on chris?

WHAAAAAT??? :eek: I take that as a gross insult. :evil:
YOU IMPLYING - OR ASSUMING - I AM BALD???????? I AM FUCKING BALD????? FRIGGING SODDING TOSSING BALD???? FUCK OFF!!! WHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE TALKING TO YOU CHEEKY LITTLE GET???

I STILL HAVE MY OWN HAIR THANK YOU VERY MUCH - AND ENOUGH OF IT TO ENSURE I AM NOT BALD. I don't shave my head to look like a chemotherapy victim either like so many fucking lads you see everywhere either (apologies to chemotherapy victims everywhere, but no offence), but I am happy to keep it short at the sides and back and leave the top to do what the fuck I like with it.

Bald!! Fucking hell.... :no:

I don't know what picture you saw of me, but every picture of me every fucker has seen on this forum sure as hell doesn't depict me as bald. So you'd better go and do some research and make sure you got the right person before you come up with defamatory nonsense like that - really, I am truly offended and insulted by what you have just said. Now you'd better take that back or it will be one kid who will be on the receiving end of the biggest riot going! :rant: :evil:

:lol: sorry martin.

Now you'd better take that back or it will be one kid who will be on the receiving end of the biggest riot going! :rant: :evil:

take what back? the fact that i thought you were bald? no. can't
.
i didn't mean it as a personal insult, i just thought you were bald. GOD!!!!!!!

fucking chill out, or you hair'll fall out for real ;) :jk:

WHAAAAAT??? :eek: I take that as a gross insult. :evil:
YOU IMPLYING - OR ASSUMING - I AM BALD???????? I AM FUCKING BALD????? FRIGGING SODDING TOSSING BALD???? FUCK OFF!!! WHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE TALKING TO YOU CHEEKY LITTLE GET???

I STILL HAVE MY OWN HAIR THANK YOU VERY MUCH - AND ENOUGH OF IT TO ENSURE I AM NOT BALD. I don't shave my head to look like a chemotherapy victim either like so many fucking lads you see everywhere either (apologies to chemotherapy victims everywhere, but no offence), but I am happy to keep it short at the sides and back and leave the top to do what the fuck I like with it.

Bald!! Fucking hell.... :no:

I don't know what picture you saw of me, but every picture of me every fucker has seen on this forum sure as hell doesn't depict me as bald. So you'd better go and do some research and make sure you got the right person before you come up with defamatory nonsense like that - really, I am truly offended and insulted by what you have just said. Now you'd better take that back or it will be one kid who will be on the receiving end of the biggest riot going! :rant: :evil:

OMG!!! *chuckles*

take what back? the fact that i thought you were bald? no. can't
.
i didn't mean it as a personal insult, i just thought you were bald. GOD!!!!!!!

fucking chill out, or you hair'll fall out for real ;) :jk:



^^ IDIOT! :| ;)

Anyway, I was deliberately over-exaggerating my response in that previous post to you. :laugh: It just makes thing more interesting for me to read when I pile on the emotional fireworks to any hapless recipients....I quite often do this and I thought many regulars would have been able to fathom out how my oddball humour works by now! :colgate:

I AM FUCKING BALD????? [b]FRIGGING SODDING TOSSING BALD???? FUCK OFF!!!

Receding Martin? Just a little bit?? :runaway:

indeed

Receding Martin? Just a little bit


I'm glad to hear it mate - at least you're honest about yourself getting a little bit thin on top. On no account attempt a comb-over, okay?
;)

indeed


Indeed matey. :yes:

Though apparently Farsight didn't get the joke. But then, Farsight NEVER gets the joke.

(Fuck me I'm bolshy tonight aren't I??)

Today,
Peekaboo from Crumpsall..

http://www.magix-photos.com/mediapool2/84/29/07/80/3A/5A/11/DA/A7/B7/E6/71/54/2D/D3/F5/10/B23D1AD03F5511DA84591E79542DD3F5.jpg

Quick blitz through the city centre today

Think someone has already done this shot

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man038.jpg

Two big'uns

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man039.jpg

Vermonts Quebec building

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man040.jpg

Busy area around Greengate/Blackfriars

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man041.jpg

Wouldn't it be nice if every one of them squares on Urbis was a whole storey and it stood real tall.

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man038.jpg

Yes it would mate.

Urbis fits in nicely the way it is. Don't worry yourself about the lack of height thing, because sooner or later it'll be completely dwarfed by whatever gets built on the Vector site. Mark my words... :)

Luvverly Jubberly. I'd like a Vector Tower in Eau de Nile then please.

hi guys..
i was there at Manchester for a 2 years..back in 1992-1993..
after seeing all those pics of the city..I miss Manchester..would love to come back there one day :)

hi guys..
i was there at Manchester for a 2 years..back in 1992-1993..
after seeing all those pics of the city..I miss Manchester..would love to come back there one day :)
you'd be welcome here anytime Fairul

Got married on Saturday. Went to venice for my honeymoon. Anyway took these photos on landing back in Manchester. Its a shame the city centre was overcast.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/7920/s34000927uu.jpg

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/4668/s34000939ys.jpg

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/9770/s34000942rr.jpg

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/9527/s34000950nq.jpg

Congrats Neil - and great pics.

All the best matey :)cheers for the pics

From Leigh...about 12 miles from manc city centre

http://www.magix-photos.com/mediapool2/84/29/07/80/3A/5A/11/DA/A7/B7/E6/71/54/2D/D3/F5/10/8D4EDC00420B11DAA52CC26E542DD3F5.jpg

^ Wow Beetham looks double the height of CIS and City tower there.

Am I missing something? What's the excitement about?

are we jealous fitzroy? ;) :lol:

It all looks fine but ... well, it could be anywhere. I personally prefer full on, close-up shots of the city centre that capture Manchester's character. Each to his own I guess.

If you wanted close ups you should have gone further back in the thread. these are my personal favourite close ups.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/quality.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/manchesterlookingoriental.jpg

From Leigh...about 12 miles from manc city centre

jeez, i thought that was birmingham at first. Although manchesters buildings are like twice the size* :tongue2: :bowtie: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :rock: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2:

jeez, i thought that was birmingham at first. Although manchesters buildings are like twice the size* :tongue2: :bowtie: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :rock: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2:

lol.. :cheers:

Fast forward 10-15 years time! No maths tower and a city centre full of towers!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/manchesterlookingoriental.jpg

Let's hope so.

That's my favourite picture of Manchester. Working from the left, I can see:

Arndale Tower
Portland Building
City Tower
Jarvis Hotel
CIS
Maths Tower (demolished)
111 Piccadilly
Chandos Hall
Wright Robinson Hall
Maths & Social Sciences Building

With the exception of CIS, we have contributors who post "demolish the heap of shit" comments about all the above, and about Moberly Hall where the picture was taken from. That sentiment has been echoed up by the university, who appear to be demolishing all campus highrise and promoting heritage. There's no refurbishment, reuse, or replacement of highrise with highrise.

If this sentiment could be spread further to the public at large, councils, and developers, some of the proposed towers might not get built. Then the above skyline, which remained unchanged for 30 years, might not be all that impressive in 10-15 years time.

I am with you on this Farsight, unless a demolished tower is replaced with a taller higher quality one(unlikely)I would much rather see a good reclad job than demolishion of the towers some people would like to see flattened.Portland tower is a good example..in it's present state I hate it and would like to see it go but I would rather it have a better quality reclad that see it gone. The black paint job is unacceptable. I do like what is happening to Sunley sorry City tower however.

Thanks oscar. I wouldn't mind the odd tower getting demolished if it was part of the general renewal and replacement that goes on in a city, and there were plenty more where that came from. But when you see a picture like the one above, and just about everything falls into the demolish the heap of shit you stupid wanker category, it gets you thinking.

From Royton last week

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man043.jpg

Thanks oscar. I wouldn't mind the odd tower getting demolished if it was part of the general renewal and replacement that goes on in a city, and there were plenty more where that came from. But when you see a picture like the one above, and just about everything falls into the demolish the heap of shit you stupid wanker category, it gets you thinking.
The 'demolish that heap of shit' people are really saying 'demolish that heap of shit and build a better tower' arn't they? Well if thats the case I agree,but if they are saying as I suspect some are 'Don't even bother recladding just demolish' then I don't understand.I thought the people on here are tall building fans or do they want a boring low rise skyline. These recladded 60s towers are needed to give some density to the skyline to compilment their upcoming big brothers because lets face it... they are not going to get replaced if they are felled.

Dj doesn't half take some great pictures.

Weasty: He sure does. Thanks dj.

Oscar: Most want something bigger and better. Some sometimes do, and some never do. It takes all sorts. I guess I'm a tall building fan myself, whilst some people are just building fans. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that so long as people are open and honest and don't resort to abuse. Hmmmnnnn. By the by, I was quite surprised at how many old low stone buildings came up as people's favourites:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=229243

With the exception of CIS, we have contributors who post "demolish the heap of shit" comments about all the above, and about Moberly Hall where the picture was taken from. That sentiment has been echoed up by the university, who appear to be demolishing all campus highrise and promoting heritage. There's no refurbishment, reuse, or replacement of highrise with highrise.

If this sentiment could be spread further to the public at large, councils, and developers, some of the proposed towers might not get built. Then the above skyline, which remained unchanged for 30 years, might not be all that impressive in 10-15 years time.

But by demolishing some of our worst buildings we might end up with a better quality city centre. A lot of those buildings (not all) fall into the same category as the 4 storey Eagle Star House and Arndale Centre. Just incredibly cheap, thoughtless, poor quality buildings that only serve to damage the city's good name.

A city is not judged by its skyline alone.

SleepyOne: I don't think there's anything wrong in demolishing the worst buildings to get a better quality city centre. And I'm sure everybody agrees that a city is not judged by its skyline alone.

But cheap applies to the finish rather than the structure - it can be very cost effective to reclad and refit and reuse. And thoughtless just isn't true - people thought long and hard about those buildings at the time (maybe not enough, but you can bet your bottom dollar it's happening today). Then you say "damage the city's good name" when they've been there for 30 years. It's all getting subjective and emotional. The problem is with the language. Phrases like "poor quality" are subjective and emotional words masquerading as rational reasoned words. People get confused about opinions and facts, and so debate turns too quickly into dispute.

And I've got to go. Bye for now.

Thanks for the compliments WeasteDevil and Farsight, I'm lucky to have a job that takes me all over the area giving me lots of opportunities to spot good viewpoints.

SleepyOne: I don't think there's anything wrong in demolishing the worst buildings to get a better quality city centre. And I'm sure everybody agrees that a city is not judged by its skyline alone.
Good. But you can't deny that some of those buildings you list are amongst the worst the in the city.


But cheap applies to the finish rather than the structure
I utterly dispute this. Buildings are about cladding and structure and form and a whole host of other things. There are a number of different factors which influence each. You can clad Piccadilly Plaza head to toe in goregeous titanium panels but you won't find Guggenheim setting up there. Finish is important but so is form.


it can be very cost effective to reclad and refit and reuse.
Of course it can but that is not always the most appropriate or desirable course of action.


And thoughtless just isn't true - people thought long and hard about those buildings at the time (maybe not enough, but you can bet your bottom dollar it's happening today).
Yes it is happening today. Although opinions will always differ there is always a general consensus as to which buildings work and which buildings do not. "Thoughtless" was not meant to be taken literally :| I used it more to convey a sense of buildings which are quite plainly poorly thought through, poorly excecuted or based on an ideology which the passage of time has proven to be misconceived. (Your favoured Le Corbusier being the proponent of one such urban design ideology which has been discredited).


Then you say "damage the city's good name" when they've been there for 30 years.
I think its naive to assume that just because a building has been up for a long time means that is somehow an endorsement or mark of quality. Explain what you mean further please.

It's all getting subjective and emotional. The problem is with the language.
Its a forum - thats what they are about.


Phrases like "poor quality" are subjective and emotional words masquerading as rational reasoned words. People get confused about opinions and facts, and so debate turns too quickly into dispute.
Any opinion is only ever going to be subjective based to varying degrees on an emotional response. I always try to be rational and reasoned. For goodness sake Farsight if you dont agree with me, say so. Ask me questions. In doing so, please try your best not to misrepresent my response as this is where you fall down. You seem to hate it if somebody dislikes a building you yourself like. Unable to engage in rational debate you always seem to resort to aggressive mud slinging and misrepresenting people's viewpoint. Is it any wonder people get annoyed and see little value in engaging with you.

And I've got to go. Bye for now.
Bye.

And I've got to go. Bye for now.

Some of us would be so grateful if you never bothered to come back.

A skyline - shows econimic power/wealth - when i see american cities i realise there 'capital' city is for a state sometimes 4 times bigger than the UK so to expect a NYC skyline is just wrong in manchester, but i see manchester twined with maybe perth/ boston in maybe 20 - 30 years time? skyline wise? what does every one think?

A skyline - shows econimic power/wealth - when i see american cities i realise there 'capital' city is for a state sometimes 4 times bigger than the UK so to expect a NYC skyline is just wrong in manchester, but i see manchester twined with maybe perth/ boston in maybe 20 - 30 years time? skyline wise? what does every one think?
Texas has less people than the north of England and also has about the same number of big cities. Houston, in terms of urban area, is about the same size as Manchester. I don't see why we shouldn't have a skyline like theirs in that timeframe.

SleepyOne: Unable to engage in rational debate you always seem to resort to aggressive mud slinging and misrepresenting people's viewpoint. Is it any wonder people get annoyed and see little value in engaging with you. IMHO SleepyOne, this is mud slinging and misrepresentation instead of rational debate. Re what I was saying about language, please look at phrases such as buildings which are quite plainly poorly thought through, poorly executed and consider whether you sometimes present opinion as fact.

How many times do I have to repeat myself Farsight? Everything written on this forum is an opinion.

If you disagree with something, say so. You DONT need to resort to misrepresentation.

If you don't understand something, ask for clarification or do some research. You DONT need to resort to misrepresentation or mud slinging.

SleepyOne: Whatever happened to the adult, open, reasonable debate you said you were seeking? Every time I say anything you accuse me of of misrepresentation and mud slinging.

You don't really want adult, open, reasonable debate do you? What you really want is for people to listen like little children to your lofty wisdom. And if anybody questions why and looks for detail, you'll slag them off and attempt to discredit their viewpoint by slinging your "mud slinging" mud. That's pretty dishonest actually.

Listen up guys. Make a careful note: Everything written on this forum is an opinion. Unless SleepyOne says it with his "poor design" and "relates badly" language. Then its fact.

^^ I dont believe it. There you go again. Thats EXACTLY what Im talking about. Farsight, just stop it.


I repeat:

How many times do I have to repeat myself Farsight? Everything written on this forum is an opinion.

If you disagree with something, say so. You DONT need to resort to misrepresentation.

If you don't understand something, ask for clarification or do some research. You DONT need to resort to misrepresentation or mud slinging.

Adult open honest debate, SleepyOne. That's what you asked for. As a result your repeated "mud slinging" accusations discredit only yourself, not me. So you get tit for tat. Now stop, I'll stop, and let's get back to adult open honest debate.

Gotta go.

Everything written on this forum is an opinion. Unless SleepyOne says it with his "poor design" and "relates badly" language. Then its fact.

^^ This is the misrepresentation and mud slinging Im talking about. Its you that indulges in this kind of behaviour and as such you deserve to be critisised for it.


How many times do I have to repeat myself Farsight? Everything written on this forum is an opinion.

If you disagree with something, say so. You DONT need to resort to misrepresentation.

If you don't understand something, ask for clarification or do some research. You DONT need to resort to misrepresentation or mud slinging

Fartshight. You are so full of shit. You remind me of an unflushable turd that just won't fuck off around the U-bend. There. Is that good enough mudslinging for yer, dildo-wrench?

From Royton last week

On that pic beetham is a mile away, and is still bigger than the CIS.

IMO royton is probably the best view of city centre, theres like a cliff thing, can see everything.

SleepyOne: so you get tit for tat. Now stop, I'll stop, and let's get back to adult open honest debate.

New viewpoint (to me at least) from the Failsworth end of Daisy Nook Country Park

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man051.jpg

cheers dj

Wow, Sunley and CIS now really are dwarfed.

Nice view, didn't know you could get that view from Failsworth, I could be there in 5 mins ;)

Approaching the City Centre towards London Road! Note BT house on the right, soon to be apartments and a hotel?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture025.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture023.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture024.jpg

The Umist buildings look nice, kinda white fabled castles in the sun.

If you go towards about a mile towards Stockport there's a really good vista towards the city centre. Only I'm not sure I wasn't sitting on the top deck of a bus.

The Umist buildings look nice, kinda white fabled castles in the sun.

Not to keen on the skid stains!

Needs a clean jrb. Is all.

Nice view, didn't know you could get that view from Failsworth, I could be there in 5 mins ;)


It was taken where Cutler Hill Lane crosses the M60

The Umist buildings look nice, kinda white fabled castles in the sun.

When i used to come into town with me dad in the car, we´d always come in along this route. I always felt the Umist building gave an initial "big City" feeling as you entered the centre (was only a kid). So I have a real soft spot for this one. A good clean, little refurb and she´d be gorgeous.

Does anyone remember the huge roundabout that used to be there before the flyover was built?

Me.

Me.

You must be old like me Farsight?

If it was there when I was younger I´ve forgotten. Mustn´t be as old as you two oldtimers.

jrb: 46

Me.

And me.

Did another circuit of the city today
From Ashton

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man052.jpg

From Heartshead

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man053.jpg

From Royton

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man054.jpg

Ducked off the M6 at Skelmersdale and went cross country to avoid traffic, the city centre is just left of centre here

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man055.jpg

Close up from near the M6 at Wigan, about 100 yards from the last pic

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man056.jpg

Amazing pics!

Great pics, dj and you've got a great zoom on your camera too by the looks of it, I can only get this close a shot from the pike..

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/vertigoscraper/skyline/McrSkylinefromHPike.jpg

..and I'm currently learning to drive at present and is this what I've got to look forward too...

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man055.jpg

:(

fab pics guys!

Ah! friday on the M6, what a joy you have yet to experience vertigo

mmmmm.....lol (I can't wait ;) )

I always thought Sunley and CIS where so dominating on the Manc skyline but they are really being put to shame now by Beetham even if they are almost a mile apart.

has anyone got any night photos of the skyline?

no, but i was surprisingly impressed at how good the skyline looked lit up pulling out of piccadilly this evening

My mate has just got a £1000 camera its a sick camera but anyway he went town last week and took 700 photos. I've seen some of them but I'll try and get him to post some of here or i'll post some for him. Some of them are amazing and I mean amazing.

Your friends name isnt Simon perchance is it Andy?

nope

Roaming in the gloaming this afternoon.

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man061.jpg

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man062.jpg

http://freake.demon.co.uk/sscpics/man063.jpg

That first pic is truly stunning, dj.

Where was that taken from? (I should know, I know.)

That first pic is truly stunning, dj.

Where was that taken from? (I should know, I know.)

Sunfield Rd, Oldham. Between the Hospital and town centre and up hill a bit

Fantastic dj.

Just met up with crush2000 and been to the top of Mauldeth House in Chorlton. Great view of the city centre and the rest of GMR. Here's an appetiser:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P1010054copy.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P1010065copy.jpg

I'll post the rest later, thanks again to crush2000. :)

beetham's gonna look so slim when they get rid of the lifts.

post your airport pics!

That looks really werid with them old tower blocks in front on it.

Yeah they block quite a bit of town annoyingly.

Some more views

Seagulls
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P1010059copy.jpg

The Quays and Trafford office blocks
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P1010050copy.jpg

Part of town, try and spot the Hulme arch.......
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P1010056copy.jpg

Sportcity and a dark Oldham above
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P1010058copy.jpg

View over Chorlton *Coronation Street Theme*
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P1010060copy.jpg

Stockport Mills
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P1010062copy.jpg

Plane on approach
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P1010072copy.jpg

Hough End Hall which is about 400 years old, I think.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P1010069copy.jpg

Pano which I compressed a little too much
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/mauldethpano.jpg

Nice pics chris

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/mauldethpano.jpg

Holy fuck! Bring on Easgate, crown and others wankyou v.much :D

Thanks for posting Chris,

I definitely would like a camera with a better zoom for xmas!

Well if your a good boy ,Santa might bring you one :)

Some great skyline pics there guys, well done ;)

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P1010051copy.jpg

Zoom the Quays with the Citylofts core making an impact. We'll have to go back up there again crush, on a bright day when there's snow on the hills. :yes:

Heres a pic of the skyline I've not seen posted before.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/dirtyred619/Picture1039.jpg

Great viewpoint but obviously the pylons are in the way.