Well if anyone knows how to party its architects and quantity surveyors

:rofl:

Only because all the estimators are about 70! :nuts:

Their is definately something going on a Masshouse phase 2 becouse the orange JCB digger was doing something this morning when my train went past at 08.35am this morning and then on my way home at 14.30pm, it had gone.:nuts: Maybe if we pray to the gods, it will start construction very soon, LOL

I wish I worked your hours! :lol:

yeah brum x what type of a job do u call that?

A policeman going by his accurate description of time lol!

"At 8:34 I was walking in an Easterly direction when I observered that construction hadn't started on Masshouse"

As for me leaving at 2.30pm yesterday, this was due to the fact that i sometimes work on a saturday morning and then have the luxury of finishing early once in the week. Unfortunately this does not mean that i am a lazy b-astard, it would be very nice though.
I went past at 08.35am this morning and their is no life at all. This is now getting right on my nerves

There are pink 'flags' on all the lamposts on Gt Charles St advetising Masshouse Phase 2.

I had a good look today. Digger is still siting there to look pretty and nothing much is going on.

Nothing more to add on the construction update - I saw two guys, a digger and a cement mixer on site friday, but I did get a couple of pictures, with lots of obligatory lamp posts in the foreground.

http://i9.tinypic.com/4kbif77.jpg

http://i9.tinypic.com/4v4521d.jpg

They've finally removed the hoardings from around the base of the current tower! :happy:

Thanks for the pictures - look very sharp! :yes:

Thanks - second one's a bit wonky though. I'll fix that sooner or later.

Went past Masshouse phase 2 this morning and their was a yellow portable crane on site. Their is defo something happening on this site. I think we will be seeing a tower crane on this site very very soon.

something happening maybe, construction maybe less so

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Finnaly someone should get a pic, for the record books considiring it has took that f*****g long.

Just went past on the train and the steelwork is going up (can't remember seeing this morning)

Looks like more progress for the rest of the site, on other side of road too seems likely as its going to planning committee. Committee report for 6th September.
Masshouse Plot 7,(Land bounded by Dale End, Chapel Street, Moor Street Queensway and Priory Queensway)
Outline planning application (all matters reserved) for the construction of a major mixed use development of up to 70, 907sqm (gross internal area) comprising of four buildings (22-storey, 2x16-storey, 12-storey) for retail (for use classes A1, A2, A3, A5) office (use class B1) and residential (use class C3) or hotel (use class C1) plus associated landscaping and car parking (502 spaces)

http://80.86.36.120/vault/XDDocStore_7/0227348_Committee%20Report%20Masshouse%20Plot%207.pdf

60,000sqm - office (Use Class B1)
12,355sqm - residential (Use Class C3) [equivalent to 200 flats]
14,409sqm - hotel (Use Class C1) [equivalent to a 200 bedroom hotel]*
5,000sqm - retail (Use Classes A1, A2, A3, A5). A1 use to be restricted to no more than 2,499sqm
* the hotel would only be developed as an alternative to the proposed flats not in addition
to.

How early is Outline Planning?

what do u mean how early???

we must point out that this is just the council thinking of approving the outline. the clients have to do a totally spperate planning application for each building now (well a reserved matters - ie the details missed out of the outline appluication) before we see any work start on the rest of the development

good to see things arwe moving with phase two.... pic pic pics

Just went past on the train and the steelwork is going up (can't remember seeing this morning)

Can you repeat that so I can believe it. Has Phase 2 started??

I think they're in/at Masshouse today on Doctors! Seen some views from inside one of the apartments. :happy:

Can you repeat that so I can believe it. Has Phase 2 started??

I went past about 2 hours ago and there is a yellow crane on site and steelwork is rising where phase 2 will be, so I would say this is definately now under construction:banana:

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Any sign of a tower crane base?

I think they're in/at Masshouse today on Doctors! Seen some views from inside one of the apartments. :happy:
Saw it too!

yay! :banana:

new construction thread

Excuse my pignorance but what exactly is under construction?

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/3428BlockMMasshouseCircus_pic1.jpg

The one on the left, the one on the right or the one in the top right hand corner?

One on the left. And that is an old design of it, I think. It looks much weirder now.

I can confirm, the steel structure is underway! :D I have pictures too, I'll stick them up in a bit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/Derekksharmen/Picture2030.jpg?t=1174220324

Don't think that one shows it, but I think the newer render is:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d101/Erebus555/DSC00231.jpg

I kinda preferred the old design TBH, even if this one is a bit bigger. The old style provided a bit more contrast to Phase 1.

Right, we're on 52 pages, so I think it's time to start....

the construction thread!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/newthread.php?do=postthread&f=336

I think it's block M anyway...

i couldnt believe my eye when i saw this today! went to the site on my unch and although it would appear my lunch coincided with there as there was just one work mand on site, i was amazing to see steel work!

Phase 1 was built by three men. :D

And I'm guessing two of those would have been watching the other one at any given time.

These two ought to be interesting when we see the detailed proposals.

Aprox 100m and 75m AGL.

Block A especially looks very slim for its height - could turn out to be a real star of a building. Hopefully they'll retain the rounded facades - though as office plates they'll turn out more rectangular I shouldn't wonder.

And just imagine the views from the central square when this is all complete.

http://i9.tinypic.com/4ottspe.jpg

Nice one MK!! With McLaren being 69m along with the 100m, 75m and 50m this square is going to have an amazing surrounding.

looks like a little central park

When do they aim to have this whole scheme finished?.

Are they only constructing each block once they have sold out the one they have just built, or is it a completely speculative build?.

I think they are hoping to finish this by 2015. Or maybe that's CPG. It's a long time anyway. I think it is slow to begin with but they should start building a couple of blocks at the same time as time progresses. Especially at Phase 1.

the office blocks are due to be built speculatively but i dont know about the remainsing residential blocks!

FYI the new masterplan for masshouse have been approved at outline level pending completion of legal agreements!

C/018161/07/OUT

That includes the 22 storey office tower :banana:

Woo Hoo

I can't get that number to work :(

Obviously good news nonetheless.

Try it without an extra 1

C/01816/07/OUT

although not sure if that is correct either. Darn the city council website.

That's better, thanks muchly feltip :)

If anyone is interested, theres wooden hoardings going up around the other part of masshouse where the car park is next to McClaren!

Don't know if that means anything considering this has got outline planning. Maybe they'll put 1 or 2 of the office buildings in for full planning ready for a quick start onsite!:)

If anyone is interested, theres wooden hoardings going up around the other part of masshouse where the car park is next to McClaren!

Don't know if that means anything considering this has got outline planning. Maybe they'll put 1 or 2 of the office buildings in for full planning ready for a quick start onsite!:)

Steady On! This is Masshouse we're talking about! :)

BUT: David McLean are housebuilders aren't they?

The offices would be built by someone else? I haven't heard of any contracts being awarded though.

Btw it is C/01816/07/OUT :doh:

It seems odd that they'd get rid of the revenue from carparking already, considering they haven't got permission for any of the specific buildings yet. Any ideas anyone?

Pretty much every other office scheme in the city is now underway and announcing tenants, Arena Central is all gone, Fort Dunlop is as good as full they'd be wise to get a wriggle on imo

model of the new plans:

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j129/van_heckler/VTP1.jpg

That square in the middle's not going to get much light is it?

At least the shortest building is on the south side of the site, that way more light will get through than if it was the tallest building. I think the square might be quite good as a performance space.

Should be a great place for sticking your head back and peering up to the little patch of sky that is visible though :D

Masshouse bumf.

Win a VIP party break in BrumSep 6 2007

Competition

Masshouse Developments, the force behind the landmark Masshouse scheme in Birmingham city centre, will be hosting an exclusive VIP 'House Party' on September 20 at The Living Room on Broad Street, to celebrate the release of the second phase of apartments at the highly successful Eastside scheme.
http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/cityliving/exclusives/lifestyle/tm_headline=win

If I'm correct in saying this is the central square in the office element... hopefully its not the older layout.

(From http://www.masshouse.co.uk/offices/)

http://www.masshouse.co.uk/images/large-pics/cgi.jpg

...lighting seems fine, though that's hardly proof.

Is that a reclad McClaren? Looks fantastic!

And the cladding on the two taller office blocks looks good too.

I'll be dead by the time this is finished. Boooorrrriiiinnnngggggg.

OMG is that the mc laren, if so its stunning!

If I'm correct in saying this is the central square in the office element... hopefully its not the older layout.

(From http://www.masshouse.co.uk/offices/)

http://www.masshouse.co.uk/images/large-pics/cgi.jpg

...lighting seems fine, though that's hardly proof.

Is that a reclad McClaren? Looks fantastic!

And the cladding on the two taller office blocks looks good too.

While this sort of image is fine for judging the sitting, layout, massing and expected use of the buildings etc you can't make any judgements about the architecture and details of the buildings as the site was only has outline planning permission. Details are likely to change dramatically during the development phase working up to the full planning application.

^^ Indeed - but a McClaren reclad is too tantalising to ignore.

An earlier image showing the same area, we saw a reclad McLaren. Not exactly new news but exciting stuff!

Persistent rumour but never heard any concrete details have we?

I've tried emailing them about it but have received no reply.

MSP know anything? He works in the building.

Sorry Simon, I left there in December. Loved it though - it's pretty smart with amazing views from floor 20, but a nightmare when the fire drill goes off!!

Not wishing to fuel excitement, but a surface-level car park next to Masshouse, which is part of the land of the scheme, has been hoarded-off and painted.

Might just be for a yard for Block M, but it is the site of the office development and not the court, and the office outline planning is due any moment.

I am hearing rumours the office could be starting soon :)

Great news.:)

they have to lodge a res matters app yet though, unless included within the outline was the reserve matter for the office towers....????

:dunno:

All I know is they are hoarding the site off in preparation of something, and I am hearing rumours about the office element.

Maybe they can begin groundworks in advance - I know there is some treatment require for groundwater there?

C/01816/07/OUT

I noticed the hoardings on Saturday. I actually saw the guy painting them! :)

There was also a guy in a high-vis jacket on the car park talking to people who looked as though they had parked their car there.

Lots of steel went up today o the current phase 2 building, oh there were 4 men on site. LOL

Four?! Christ, Masshouse really are pulling their finger out now.

Great news!! And restores the faith for me too!!

Steady on there Masshouse! This project is in danger of actually getting finished if they carry on at this rate!

^^ :lol:

Best times I saw was two men and a dog on site.

What were they doing with the dog?

I believe it was pawing the concrete.:)

"Ooooh yes!"
http://sixthform.info/lawblog/files/churchill_dog.jpg

It took a while, but I got it.

I believe it was pawing the concrete.:)

:lol: Very sharp Nacho!

Took some pics earlier. Only two floors tall but the curves either side are clear to see. No workers on site.

Not sure whether it's been posted (I think feltip posted the conditions) but it is official on the weekly lists:

C/01816/07/OUT

Date application received
26/03/2007

Date application registered
26/03/2007

Status
Decision Made

Location
Masshouse Plot 7, (Land bounded by Dale End, Chapel Street, Moor Street Queensway and Priory Queensway),

Proposal
Outline planning application (all matters reserved) for the construction of a major mixed-use development of up to 70, 907sqm (gross internal area) comprising of four buildings (22-storey, 2x16-storey, 12-storey) for retail (for use classes A1, A2, A3, A5) office (use class B1) and residential (use class C3) or hotel (use class C1) plus associated landscaping and car parking (502 spaces)

Applicant name and address
Masshouse Developments Ltd
C/O Agent


Agent name and address
GVA Grimley LLP
3 Brindley Place
Birmingham
B1 2JB


Council decision
Approve - Conditions

Decision date
19/03/2008



Hopefully we'll see the office bit reserved matters submitted soon?

CJC Won building project of the year down in London last night :lol: - least Katherine Jenkins looked good.

What part of masshouse is this, is it the final part of the area by the other two sites befor the road splits through the site and the other phase is on the other side of the road?

Masshouse Plot 7, (Land bounded by Dale End, Chapel Street, Moor Street Queensway and Priory Queensway),

Plot 7 is on the temporary car park site adjacent to McClaren.

Is plot 7 the Magistrates Court?

Thought i'd post these for your enjoyment.... the latest approved outline which no-one was ever able to get thei hands on!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/Masshouse.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/Masshouse1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/Masshouse2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/Masshouse3.jpg

God on a bike, that's huge area!:nuts:

Thought i'd post these for your enjoyment.... the latest approved outline which no-one was ever able to get thei hands on!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/Masshouse.jpg



I've seen that one before ^^ as there is a colour version of the block closest to MG site.

I'm glad to see other views Woody as I wasn't too impressed when I saw plan layout and colour image but at least it creates a nice focal point from Millennium Point way etc.

As an outline approval does that mean we could get variations on designs as we are expecting the Magistrates Court design later in year, but within these frameworks of height and massing?

Cheers Woody :)

There is probably as much office space and buildings planned there as there is in most other provincial cities (with a couple of obvious exceptions).

What is the timeframe for completion though?

April 1st 2084.

Wow that's big. What is the planning number?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/Masshouse3.jpg

There's the BCU campus to on the front of this too :)

And to the right the new Aston accomodation and just behind it everything thats going on at Snow Hill.

Whoa this could be the most dence part of the city on commpletion, and when do we reckon it will be finished, seriously. I am thinking 2014!

Pretty cool. Is the Masshouse court building going to be next the the current ones or on the other site with the offices? And this reminds me of the still-to-come City Park Gate redesign.

I like the scale etc but I hope the designs aren't all really similar to the existing 2 buildings or it'll be really boring.

...and the park

Los Angeles are getting a nice new one which reminded me of ours.

http://i27.tinypic.com/xlmjhw.jpg

http://landscapeandurbanism.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=50

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/Masshouse1.jpg

This pleases me. I have always thought this road peters out to nothing without taller buildings on it :)

Woody - does this mean detailed planning due soon?

no not at all, its just means i have got hold of the outline planning consent submitted last year lol!

Must explain why I've seen the one image before.

apologies if i did not make this clear but do not want to lead people on as if to suggest this is new news... this more recent news which we knew about but had little information on!

Great renders! Hope to see some detailed proposals in the coming months! :)

Thanks Woodhousen . I certainly like all that bulking up .

Here's the colour one I'd seen which hadn't inspired me before.

http://www.edwardcullinanarchitects.com/projects/img/blockd1.jpg

and how it fits in with Woody's image.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/Masshouse.jpg

oh i thought everyone had seen that one...?

i hopee the design changes loads....im not a fan as yet

Where's the New Court going to go?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/Masshouse3.jpg

Is it the little thing in front of Masshouse block M? The thing they're building at the moment?

i hopee the design changes loads....im not a fan as yet

wow really? i love this proposal and hope that the rserved matters are merely detailing what we see now...

its of the right height, scale, orientation... brilliant...

dear lord how small do you think the law cours are.?!?!?!

the courts building will be the building befnd that of block m

Where's the New Court going to go?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/Masshouse3.jpg

Is it the little thing in front of Masshouse block M? The thing they're building at the moment?

oh i thought everyone had seen that one...?

Not everyone is observant as you or I ;) :|

dear lord how small do you think the law cours are.?!?!?!

the courts building will be the building befnd that of block m

I presume the outline planning approval will provide the Magistrates Court designers with basic framework for massing and size but we could get anything?

well as far as i am aware, this masterplan only covered the plot nearest mclaren... and so really the courts site is still controlled under the original outline..?

wow really? i love this proposal and hope that the rserved matters are merely detailing what we see now...

its of the right height, scale, orientation... brilliant...


think i'd have to see detailed application, don't like the design, quality of design looks poor but then again it is only massing pictures

wow really? i love this proposal and hope that the rserved matters are merely detailing what we see now...

its of the right height, scale, orientation... brilliant...

Got to agree with you Woody this is the best design so far, and will create a real urban or dare I say it metropolis feel as you drive towards it:banana:

From what I have heard it is not definite that the 3rd apartment block will be apartments at all. A hotel could be on the cards (which I think was covered in a recent planning thing).

Something like London or Manchester's Express Building would be nice - black curvy art deco :)

Off to view an apartment in phase 1 tomorrow morning, to hopefully rent with a mate :)

New(ish) stuff looks interesting. How many times they gonna redesign this?!

Hello, by the way! :wave:

Hi Blunth! How are you?

well this is only the second design as far as i am aware, although the planing application does show the progressions of the scaheme which are quite interesting!

Pure density if all of those blocks are built.

Went past the plot by McClaren today on bus. They have put up hoarding boards around the side of the plot on Priory St Queensway.

What are we expecting on that plot feltip ? Anybody ?

^^This will face the Priory Queensway side:
http://www.edwardcullinanarchitects.com/projects/img/blockd1.jpg


Also, I think it's safe to say that this render is pretty much out of date! (It looks a bit different to others we've seen. I can't remember ever seeing the top of the building in the similar renders!)
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/Media?MEDIA_ID=227812

Thanks Erebus . I'm not too keen on this part of Masshouse . At 11 (?) floors it looks lenghty and short and produces a negative wall . I'd like to be proved wrong though.:)

It looks a very rough render so it is bound to be different.

Hi Blunth! How are you?

Hello mate - not too bad thanks. All busy and all over the shop though, hence the prolonged and ongoing absence.

On Masshouse, the fecking apartment went before I could view it, as have several others, so it's obviously popular. In which case, get on a build the next phases!

That render also does not look real enough to be actually feasible. Most of the others have a realistic look about them, so i would assume that they will be changed.

thats because this is an outline planning application and doesnt require the same level of detail.. all the individual buildings will have a seperate detailed consent later on

I feel the central bank of strip windows needs to be broken up with a atrium or somesuch. It's gonna look wide.

S'okay though. Bit more glass?

Just seen the latest render for this, it looks fantastic. Miles better than the render at the top of this page.

And.... :?

well I can't post it lol, don't think my bosses would be too happy.

Its much the same shape, but the cladding is white and the side elevation is a huge sheet of gleaming glass instead of the white cladding continuing all the way around.

Come on Tonkster! Live a little, they probably don't even look on heere anyway!

Lol. Well I've had a look through our system, and can't find any electronic copies. I've only seen the render on paper you see.

Don't wuz, its nothing overly amazing that you should get excited about but it's a lot classier than previous renders. I'm sure one of you will stumble upon some new renders soon anyway, it amazes me how you find all these things!

Ahh fair play. Don't want you losing your job or anything like that mate. Any more info will be appreciated though ;)
Normally Feltip is good at finding stuff out.

Well this is a newish image with a bit more glass. Is that it?

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:YcAr2t83yrNenM:http://www.propertyskills.com/page2/files/blocks_image_0_1.jpg
http://www.propertyskills.com/page2/page2.html

Ye I found that on google but I wernt to sure!

Talking of masshouse, quick update from today and i'm beginning to feel less hatred towards it.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Feltip/Construction%20Bham/PImage123.jpg

Just seen the latest render for this, it looks fantastic. Miles better than the render at the top of this page.
Tonkster, Are we still going to get the towers at the other end of the site, the ones we were talking about last week facing the Queensway?

Well this is a newish image with a bit more glass. Is that it?

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:YcAr2t83yrNenM:http://www.propertyskills.com/page2/files/blocks_image_0_1.jpg
http://www.propertyskills.com/page2/page2.html

Ah yes, that is it! Ive got a larger render on the computer now, it looks good. I wasn't sure if it had been made public though.

Now ive seen the larger version ive realised that this is actually a render of the other side to the render we have already seen, I think the other side stays the same for now.

Tonkster, Are we still going to get the towers at the other end of the site, the ones we were talking about last week facing the Queensway?

I hope so liberty, but I'm not involved in the project so I know very little about it. Ive stumbled upon some renders on the computer including the towers, but these may well be the old designs.

\could you forward the renders to eastsideblog[AT]googlemail.com please. :)

i will when I get home, yeah. To be honest, apart from the one feltip just posted (in large), its possible that everyones seen them before. But you can take a look for yourself.

Talking of masshouse, quick update from today and i'm beginning to feel less hatred towards it.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Feltip/Construction%20Bham/PImage123.jpg

That's a very Reuban Colleyesque pic Felty :)

It does look like that, doesn't it? :)

That's a very Reuban Colleyesque pic Felty :)

It's the zoom on my phone camera. Looked better on the phone but i like that Colleyesque feel. :)

That's a very Reuban Colleyesque pic Felty :)
I do not understand.

Nice pic though! :)

Ruben Colley is a Brummie artist who usually paints in Oil, and has a unique style. Many of his paintings are of Brum - including some of the underside of Spaghetti. Aston Expressway. Rotunda etc. That shot of Masshouse does look like something which he'd paint!

There aren't any of them on the net, but this one of a boat is his...

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/APP/WGC0501~Sailboat-Posters.jpg

His works are usually on sale in the art gallery in the ICC - and if you have to ask, then you can't afford them.

A few of his paintings are on my "Lottery win to buy list!" Along with a Penthouse at V. House on Farquar Rd. Aston Martin and a big boat.

...and a big boat.

What, the one that Colley painted? ;)

Why would he paint something that said "Image not available"? ;)

Found a larger version of the one I posted of the change in design to block by McClaren

http://www.propertyskills.com/page2/files/blocks_image_0_1.jpg
http://www.propertyskills.com/page2/page2.html

I'll be honest. I hate it from that angle. The glass wall just doesn't blend with the rest of the building.

I agree 100%. Half of it looks modern while the other half looks like it was built in the 60's.

Looks half a job to me. Street level interaction is poor and I think it will age quickly.

Can do better IMO.

looks a little bit like an attached carpark or something

It's hard to see how those two halves fit together into one building.

I don't think it looks that bad, could be improved however.

Found a larger version of the one I posted of the change in design to block by McClaren

http://www.propertyskills.com/page2/files/blocks_image_0_1.jpg
http://www.propertyskills.com/page2/page2.html

excuse me if you will... but this is not a change in design at all and infact i am convinced its exactly the same design, purely a change in view point....

view 1. view looking north from eastside
http://www.edwardcullinanarchitects.com/projects/img/blockd1.jpg

view 2. view lookin south from city centre
http://www.propertyskills.com/page2/files/blocks_image_0_1.jpg

Entirely correct.

i think thats decent looking from the south view.

Some interesting news from EGI which I have not seen elsewhere:

Bruntwood buys gateway Brum office
Lisa Pilkington 13/06/2008 10:00

Manchester-based Bruntwood Estates has bought a 1970s office tower at the gateway to Birmingham’s £6bn Eastside regeneration zone.

In a bid to capitalise on the redevelopment of the area, Bruntwood paid the Birmingham Alliance – a joint venture between Land Securities, Hammerson and Henderson Global Investors – £17.5m, a circa 5% yield, for the 111,000 sq ft McLaren House.

The 22-storey, mulitlet office is one of Birmingham’s tallest buildings.

The sale price reflects a 30% discount to a deal agreed in late 2006.

At that time, the building was under offer to Masshouse Developments – a jv between Nikal, David McLean and Royal Bank of Scotland – at a rumoured £25m. Masshouse was considering the building as a strategic acquisition for its £350m, 1.1m sq ft development, which lies directly opposite the property.

That deal collapsed, however, and Bruntwood now plans to refurbish the 1970s block, which is 60% let to tenants including NatWest, American Express and the First Secretary of State.

Savills acted for the Alliance; Jones Lang LaSalle advised Bruntwood.

Thanks for the post - I think that was mentioned on here some time back. Wonder when the refurb will happen?

The 'group mentality' on here is amazing. I think the half-glass view looks pretty good! Way better than the other side.

The actual glass looks good but I hate the plastic white stripes :no:

Street level looks ok to me, there are active frontages and that colonade provides a nice bit of semi public enclosure. I'd rather it was all glass though as I feel there is already too much white at Masshouse.

I don't like either of the views. The glass bit is ok, but nothing special, we see that kind of thing on any run of the mill office proposal. And the white stripy bit I can only see dating very quickly, and getting very grubby. I don't think this design will stand the test of time.

i dont have many issues with the design but will hold out until more detail is known. it is worth pointing out that this is offices however, often buil to a higher spec than resi buildings... and i dont think we should just assume the non-white bits are purely white plastic sections.... id imagine they would be different!

I'd heard that this block (which is in place of the larger apartment block?) was going to be hotel.

Don't know what came of it though.

excuse me if you will... but this is not a change in design at all and infact i am convinced its exactly the same design, purely a change in view point....



Calm down, calm down.
Well either way it's a new image we hadn't seen properly as that small one i posted before was a bit tinny to look at.

p.s. i've bumped you down the forumers count ;) and now i'm coming for you T-man hehe.

I'd heard that this block (which is in place of the larger apartment block?) was going to be hotel.

Don't know what came of it though.

Wasn't it an 'either or' thing in the planning app that if didn't have hotel would be apartments and vice versa?

Possibly. All I keep hearing is hotel though :)

p.s. i've bumped you down the forumers count ;) and now i'm coming for you T-man hehe.

Bloody hell you are as well. I've slackened recently but I'll have to sort it out. As long as I'm still ahead of Woody ;)

Possibly. All I keep hearing is hotel though :)

Interesting! The Edward Cullinan website have it down as an office block. I guess we'll just have to wait and see!