this one?

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/5002Paloma_pic5.jpg

or one of these...

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/5428AbitoManchester_pic12.jpg

I noticed the first photo, the older warehouse, is half gone, just a wall still standing at the end.

that's this then http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=5002

sounds like someone may be after a temporary car park...

A friend parks there and told me that the people who own the car park next door paid for the demolition so they could extend thier car park. Apparently the other car park owners round there are none too pleased.

Can anyone link me or email me any renders of the outdoor cinema-island proposal for the site that's locked between the Irwell, Trinity Way and Springfield lane?

map

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Springfield+Ln,+Salford,+Salford+M3,+United+Kingdom&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=50.644639,114.257812&ie=UTF8&cd=2&geocode=FRUtMAMdT6bd_w&split=0&ll=53.489006,-2.250513&spn=0.002343,0.006974&t=h&z=18

It included a weird mish-mash matchbox style quarter, an outdoor cinema and even a new canal that would have made it an island.
Looked a bit like the Citadel development...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3431/3217919046_ea2fe740ec_o.jpg

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=salford+springfield+lane&sll=53.486462,-2.291336&sspn=0.037486,0.11158&ie=UTF8&ll=53.488486,-2.250223&spn=0.004685,0.013947&t=h&z=17

Thanks in advance. I need it for a debate i'm having with a local resident :horse:

official thingy from the central salford site

Contractor appointed to create Greengate public spaces

The vision of a new urban quarter linking Salford and Manchester is another step closer, with the appointment of contractors who will create the first phase of public areas and spaces at Greengate.

Salford City Council has awarded an £8 million contract to Carillion for public realm works that are being seen as the catalyst to attract £580 million of private sector investment over the next 15 years.

The creation of new public areas are the first stage of the regeneration of the area which will see a mix of commercial, residential and leisure uses, in a joint venture between Central Salford URC, Salford City Council, English Partnerships, Network Rail and ASK Developments.

Designed by Whitelaw Turkington and Arup, the public areas will include an iconic footbridge across the Irwell *from Manchester Cathedral and the heart of Manchester into *a new 'Urban Cove' and 'Greengate Link' *taking *people *through the former viaduct. The space will be animated with*architectural sculptures and art based light installations leading through to a new public square.

Detailed designs for the public realm are due to be submitted in February 2009, with work on the ground expected to start in autumn 2009. Carillion is being brought in at this early stage to help inform the designs and ensure that they deliverable.

Phase 1 of the Greengate public realm is to be funded by £5.5 million of English Partnerships funding and private sector funding through Section 106 contributions.

Cllr Derek Antrobus, Salford City Council's lead member for planning, who approved the appointment of the contractors, said: "This is a clear vote of confidence by the public sector in the future of this area. The public sector continues to plan for growth and prosperity and to move forward despite the challenges posed by current economic circumstances.

"Apart from the immediate economic benefits of this investment, it will ensure that development can move ahead swiftly when the property market picks up. There is a clear long-term commitment by developers in this area who recognise that its location at the heart of the regional centre guarantees the success of investments."

Added Chris Farrow, Chief Executive of Central Salford URC who are leading on the Greengate scheme: "Greengate is at the core of our vision for Central Salford and I am delighted with the ongoing commitment and support for the scheme by both our public and private sector partners. The public realm is a vital part of the Greengate scheme and this investment marks an important step forward for the project and our ambition to make Central Salford a beautiful, vibrant and prosperous part of the Regional Centre.”

Rob Coupe, Carillion Civil Engineering Regional Director said: "Carillion is delighted to have won this project which will have a positive impact on the area.”

Date Published
Wednesday, 03 December 2008
Reference Number
08-2216


Press & media enquiries only:
Name
Liz Carridge
Telephone
0161 793 2913
Email
HYPERLINK "mailto:liz.carridge@salford.gov.uk" liz.carridge@salford.gov.uk

very glad this is still in the frame.

http://www.centralsalford.com/index.php?page=Projects

more up to date reminders of this

http://www.greengateembankment.com/i/publicrealm_cgi3.jpg

http://www.greengateembankment.com/i/publicrealm_cgi2.jpg

http://www.greengateembankment.com/i/publicrealm_cgi1.jpg

http://www.centralsalford.com/cms/assets/uploads/Images/Aerial%20V%85%20Manchester.jpg

..sorry. :)

I F.in hate that crappy bus depot opposite hanging ditch, so great news that that will be enhanced. Certainly good news for those living in Abito too and will make that part of Deansgate considerably improved. The start of things to come....

well, hopefully.. still, it's imaginable that Ask could yet bail this.

more huge pictures

http://www.centralsalford.com/cms/assets/uploads/Images/Aerial%20V%85gate%20squar.jpg

http://www.centralsalford.com/cms/assets/uploads/Images/%20Birdseye%85ve%20and%20%20Link.jpg

http://www.centralsalford.com/cms/assets/uploads/Images/The%20Exch%85ge%20Monument.jpg

The thing is it really needs more trees, especially if it is to be called greengate! the central park bit is fine but the cone tree water feature things really could do with a little but more nature to stop it looking so stale! especially in a couple of years time.

right now i guess im happy something is going ahead still at all! moan over mouth now shut!

The Victoria Street pedestrianisation would really help lead into this, linking the Cathedral Gardens to the Irwell and across. I think it was supposed to be done early 2011 but with TIF out the window (which I think was where the funding was coming from) this could taken even longer.

the centre of manchester this is i finks

Chorleyboi. I could be wrong but the river is the boundary between Salford and Manchester. I would say that the majority of this plan is in Salford

edit, but yes most people would class it as the centre of Manchester

Looking good though...

Interesting "pinched" section in the middle of the foot bridge. Is that a clever way to stop motor vehicles using it without using bollards?

is the square going to be called greengate square

Don't like this, it's shit. For a start, LOSE THAT BRIDGE!! why does that area need another bridge? A bridge that does not sit well with the Victoria Bridge next to it, it's quite an awkward looking shape and it doesn't connect well, I don't like this area here either

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/rolybling/publicrealm_1.jpg

Do we really need another bridge to bring people down to an area that can be reached by the existing bridge? I also don't like that...water park thing with it's fake trees, where the children are playing with mummy and daddy in the renders, it's a wasted opportunity imo. A simple entrance to this spot from the existing bridge is all that is needed, leading people into a proper green space not some chrome and brushed steel wind trap, a green space that covers the whole of the area this 'water feature' covers with real trees and benches and a tasteful fountain or two, a simple path would lead people down to the exact same place that horrible new bridge would.


This could be so much better.

I think thankfully very little of this will come to fruition, especially that bridge. Imagine that bridge, then the irwell river regeneration scheme snaking along poking out and having silly walkways :ohno:. They seem determined to ruin what is quite an attractive riverscape, the whole river will be underground soon. such a shame!

I think thankfully very little of this will come to fruition, especially that bridge. Imagine that bridge, then the irwell river regeneration scheme snaking along poking out and having silly walkways :ohno:. They seem determined to ruin what is quite an attractive riverscape, the whole river will be underground soon. such a shame!

contracts been awarded, this is coming....

I think thankfully very little of this will come to fruition, especially that bridge. Imagine that bridge, then the irwell river regeneration scheme snaking along poking out and having silly walkways :ohno:. They seem determined to ruin what is quite an attractive riverscape, the whole river will be underground soon. such a shame!

I see what you mean, when you look at the render it just doesn't look right. 3 bridges already and another isn't needed. They'd be better remodeling the whole of the river bank on both sides and working with the owners of North Tower and that state of a building over the road. Get both councils involved and they could create something which will make the river a feature rather than that cheap design solution with some stupid water feature. This extra bridge is only going to make future development with the river bank more expensive! Its very poor, I can't believe it passed!

I was once told that the only reason this site is to be a square is because the land is no good for building on? (I have no idea how true this is)

I have to agree that another bridge is crazy, I wish they would just do something simple like large stepped raking into the river, where you could perhaps have a coffee right next to the bank. That way at least when the water level rose, it would then just clime along the steps.

A start would be to get rid of the decrepid old loos on Victoria Bridge Street, I recieved a planning notice for them to be demolished in 2006!

On a more controversial note I would even be happy for the old bridge that led to exchange station to be removed. It currently provides access to the NCP car park opp the cathedral, it would free up the river no end, with proper river access on the Salford side from any new development, Chapel St, and Victoria Bridge Street are either side so its not as if accessibility would be a problem.

contracts been awarded, this is coming....

contracts for what, it's a big project?

They need to go back to the drawing board with this one. The more I look at the renders and what is proposed the more I don't like it. There's no apparent reason for this extra bridge, none, there's another much better looking bridge right next to it. Traditionally bridges were built because one was needed, this isn't needed and does nothing aesthetically to add to it's environment :ohno:

it does seem rather strange to have large water features when you have a canal running through the scheme, which is completely ignored.. saying that, the water features are isolated anyway, so by adding water to the scheme, its still ignored in landscape terms..

I wish they would just do something simple like large stepped raking into the river, where you could perhaps have a coffee right next to the bank. That way at least when the water level rose, it would then just clime along the steps.
.

Yes, actual contact with the river would be a good idea and this would be one of the best places in the city centre to do it. There is currently no where in the city centre where there is a bit of park space next door to it. Until the city expands that isn't likely to change.

On that side of the river, there isn't so much of a height differential either and its in a great setting, with Victoria Bridge next to it being opened up more and the Cathedral opposite. If you look at the site in person it looks rather crowded, now maybe it wont after the cars have been removed and the work done but on the other hand it could be made even worse after the new bridge is put in place.

As for the bridge, until we see it (if we see it) in person I don't think anyone will realise just how bad or good it ends up but it does seem over excess having 3 bridges in such proximity. Although it would allow for more direct entrance and footflow directly into Greengate and with a purely pedestrianised walkway maybe more inviting.

It could be possible to get rid of the exchange station bridge (which is nothing special) but it will (even if only small) reduce the accessibility of the ASK office scheme. I doubt they are in the mood at the moment to do anything which may reduce demand for their developments, especially if it costs (a lot?) of money.

Back to the Urban Cove maybe there is a problem with the foundations ("land no good for building on") and a stepped walkway wouldn't be possible but it would be a great way to open up the river and could even be a stopping point/port for water taxis etc

from what i hear we will be seeing revised designs for the public realm quite soon, which are very different from the orignal scheme as posted earlier. i too would like to see some more greenery and natural treatments to what was before a very 'hard' scheme, and changes to those awful metal tree things that litter the cove space. i disagree about the bridge though, victoria bridge street it isn't a very pedestrain friendly route into greengate and due to its listing i think little could be done about this. i think the greengate bridge (whilst the current design is awful) will be a great pedestrian route into the space from the cathedral and responds to the Hanging Ditch area of Manchester very well. You can't argue with its principals - Victoria bridge for cars, new bridge for pedestrians and the current car park access on the podium for access to the Ask scheme. They all play seperate roles and the new bridge allows the scheme to be connected with Manchester too

Not seen this pic before:

http://www.askdevelopments.com/assets/x/50321/w409

w409http://www.askdevelopments.com/galleries-by-project/greengate-embankment-10792

I'd see the exchange station bridge go too...:runaway:

Not seen this pic before:

http://www.askdevelopments.com/assets/x/50321/w409

w409http://www.askdevelopments.com/galleries-by-project/greengate-embankment-10792

I. Looks new Chogs.

There's larger renders available. I've tried to sharpen them a bit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/green2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/green1.jpg

Looks pretty rank to me.

Looks pretty rank to me.

Ah, glad it's not just me......

That box of chalk shit and glass plonked on top of the Exchange Station looks like it was designed by the Central Committee of a declining Communist state.

Either that or its the bastard son of the arndale.

Or a call centre in a Milton keynes industrial park.

Cheap shit.

Would they let something as dull as this next to Westminster Abbey??

That box of chalk shit and glass plonked on top of the Exchange Station looks like it was designed by the Central Committee of a declining Communist state.

Either that or its the bastard son of the arndale.

Or a call centre in a Milton keynes industrial park.

Cheap shit.

Would they let something as dull as this next to Westminster Abbey??

I take it your not impressed HP. You only have to look at Mediacity to see what SCC will allow. Be afraid. Be very afraid. Hopefully MCC will object if this is the new proposal.

The building is horrible - but using the arches as a podium - very very bad

This proposal has definitely gone backwards. It was never great to start off with.

I think we will have to get used to this level of cheap commercialism being dropped on our in a retro style re run of all the dire concrete misery of the previous recession hit Manchster to the 70s.80s

Its definatly a new render because the CityPark office block at Green Quarter is half built in the background .

Cant say i like this very much , prefer the previous designs .

What do people think about the new bridge style?

What do people think about the new bridge style?

http://www.askdevelopments.com/assets/x/50321/w409

There really wasn't much to the old bridge render, it was quite a simple design and i'd guess cheaper to construct:

http://www.greengateembankment.com/i/publicrealm_cgi2.jpg

This one looks to be very a-la Hulme arch:

http://www.arup.com/_assets/_img/image2252.jpg

Looks like a fair few tension cables in the new design, it would certainly be more noticeable/prominent with a top arch.

Victoria Street is still too much of a barrier on those renders. It's just not going to attract enough footfall unless it is pedestrianised.

What I like about the old bridge was the wide entrance from the Manchester side. The entrance will be the only part of the bridge visible from Exchange Square and unless it looks substantial it won't look as if it goes anywhere.

This recent render is dreadful, thankfully very little of it will see the light of day. Anyone over the age of 40 will know what rubbish masterplans have been produced over the years for all areas of the City. They evolve and sometimes improve, sometimes not.
In my opinion (for what little its worth) the main problems with Masterplans are that they are rarely built to completion. The vision behind the plans are always waterd down, usually for financial reasons. Sometimes its a pity that they are not seen through, other times the schemes are thankfully left in a drawer!

Victoria Street is still too much of a barrier on those renders. It's just not going to attract enough footfall unless it is pedestrianised.

What I like about the old bridge was the wide entrance from the Manchester side. The entrance will be the only part of the bridge visible from Exchange Square and unless it looks substantial it won't look as if it goes anywhere.

Increased pedestrianisation is definitely a key to the success of this scheme & attracting footfall.

http://www.broadwaymalyan.com/bmalyan/dms/13561C050146F3327894500D84873956.jpg

It does seem a little excessive to have three bridges serving this small stretch, although I guess the pedestrian one is a main 'feature' of the scheme.

This bridge also seems to be independent from the Irwell City Park scheme costs wise, from one of the SCC proposal/costing docs (http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar_documents/ITEM%208.DOC):


2.0 ICP scheme review
...
a) Greengate Bridge is now funded by English Partnerships with Salford City Council. This element is displaced from the overall new scheme costs;

If this is the bridge they are talking about...

This new render makes the area look as though its going to be even more windswept and baron than I previously thought.

What's the point in all that empty public space? It's hardly walkable, and is just going to end up desolate. Why aren't they creating new streets that will be vibrant, instead of pedestrian-only wastelands?

Who'd be an urban planner eh? They just cannot win no matter what they do...

Who'd be an urban planner eh? They just cannot win no matter what they do...

Trouble is the planning in the region seems to lurch from one extreme to another - for example 'retail park' style car-dependent facilities are still being allowed in the suburbs, whilst in the town centre new major schemes (eg Spininglfields and this) seem to favour almost total vehicle exclusion (which makes areas dead). Neither solution creates interesting areas to be in.

I would have thought what planners should be trying to achieve isn't rocket science - well proportioned streets accessible to cars and pedestrians, creating more active spaces. i.e. just copy what makes the Manchester City Centre, Barcelona, Seville etc good places to be.

New public realm application

09/57595/FUL

New public realm application

09/57595/FUL

Cheers for the info, can't find it via public access, guess it hasn't been put on the system yet?

You do know it is on the Salford and not the Manchester site?

It is there, unfortunately I can't view the pdfs because it comes up with an error when I click on them :(

:doh:

Ha, I must be honest, I did that too til I remembered......

This is the link to the app:
http://publicaccess.salford.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=KHTUYHNP05X00

Another example of Salford v.poor planning website...

This seems to be the only plan you can access at the moment:
http://iclipseweb.salford.gov.uk/AnitePublicDocs/06557507.pdf

http://i39.tinypic.com/kco0p1.jpg
http://iclipseweb.salford.gov.uk/AnitePublicDocs/06557507.pdf

http://i42.tinypic.com/2rc4t2w.jpg
http://www.wtlandscape.com/wt_home.html

This one works, some interesting views, large doc. Also comments on the weaknesses of the previous design.

"Under side of bridge creates management problems and opportunities for anti social behaviour, Bridge relies on steep ramp. Wide bridge span is expensive to build, Bridge lands close to Chapel Street.
No opportunity to host events within the space, Lack of range of water affects. Waterscape is very static, Water sculptures present management problems e.g. climbing, litter collecting and wind throw of water"


http://iclipseweb.salford.gov.uk/AnitePublicDocs/06557222.pdf

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3529/3463392042_fef54cc0cf.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3661/3463394450_36e9407417.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3598/3462594381_0725f1fc78.jpg

Wow, excellent find.

Also, the last of the plans and drawings pdfs works, which has plans for the arches if anyone is interested.

To compliment a decent bridge in that area would be some decent tree planting and some grass would be nice. After the horrible massacre of Piccadilly Gardens the last thing thats needed on the run up to the barren stone and concrete area outside the Corn Exchange is another stone and concrete area that looks the bloody same.

AHGRHRG. They've got it all wrong.

The first design did not make a point of making an open space next to the river like that and in my opinion is better for it. - that space was designated an inanimate block in the form of a waterscape thing thats purpose was to frame - if you like, the main open space - on the north west corner of the Chapel Street/Greengate junction, that is definately the more natural and "connected" central point to this potential new urban neighborhood. This space by the river - let's face it - will be dead/windswept. Whereas the space to the north, straddling a desire-line/chamfering the central corner of the main streets of the potential neighborhood also has potential to be lively. This redesign will be dead no matter what. It is peripheral/of neither the city centre or Greengate.

Comparison in images -

http://i41.tinypic.com/1hplwp.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2cymbup.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/28k508g.jpg

Admittedly i didn't actually read through the application.

The 'dead end' trees help filter people into the public space instead of bypassing it - and at least there'll be real trees!

I think the new treed area effectively separates the space from Victoria St (not the most attractive street to sit next to whilst enjoying a sandwich) and presents a green buffer between the two. It's great there's even an amount of greenery within the scheme, seeing as there was none in the previous one.

Also the bridge looks much better in terms of its design and role. The previous scheme seemed to just dump travellers from Manchester onto the Chapel St kerb in Salford, meaning if you wanted to go into the cove you'd have to turn back on yourself with a U turn. The new design allows a degree of choice with the stopping point on the bridge and then a better amphitheatre role for the cove?

work started last week, car park being dug up, piling. One less car park in Manchester :banana:

work started last week, car park being dug up, piling. One less car park in Manchester :banana:

I don't know if that's a good or bad thing.

work started last week, car park being dug up, piling. One less car park in Manchester :banana:

Great news!

work started last week, car park being dug up, piling. One less car park in Manchester :banana:

Where exactly has work started?

The 'dead end' trees help filter people into the public space instead of bypassing it - and at least there'll be real trees!


Filtering people into a public space? People don't get filtered, most walk from one place to another. Naturally they might want to sit down on that journey so the open space should straddle the path/node. This little amphitheater area next to the river will be crap, it will be windswept and unloved. Like the crap space below trinity bridge I imagine. Crime comes into it as well, people feel uneasy in dislocated spaces, people like to feel connected, not filtered.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2011/2118815964_1a2f6f8e9e_b.jpg

anyone got the artists impression of this?

For people to use this new public space at Greengate , the Ramada complex needs to be demolished and redeveloped asap , once you get to the Market St / Deansgate junction there is no reason for you to turn right and head for Greengate , the same goes for people who are in Exchange Sq , what reason is there for people to go down that street ( cant remember the name ) where the Mitre Hotel is . ..


The Ramada is a huge blockade for this side of the city the sooner it goes the better all round .

SCC planning meeting:
http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar/showmeeting.asp?ID=4119&MGP_ID=115

Planning Lead Member Briefing

Date Wednesday, 1st July 2009
Time 09:30
Location Committee Room 1 , Salford Civic Centre , Chorley Road , Swinton
...
05 Key Decisions ( Part 2)

(a)Proposed CPO Greengate Salford
...


EDIT: CPO seems to relate to:
http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar_documents/decisions/PLMD010709B.DOC
12-14 Chapel Street & 1-3 Greengate, 5 & 7A Greengate and 7 Greengate

A few dates from a recent SCC council report:
Regeneration Initiatives Cabinet Working Group
18th May 2009

TITLE: Update on regeneration projects and programmes.
...
Greengate
...
Future milestones

Salford City Council to serve notice on tenant of former Victoria Bus Station site. July 2009
Phase 1 works: Urban Cove /footbridge commence November 2009
Completion of phase 1 public realm design works. March 2011
...
http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar/showmeeting.asp?ID=4107&MGP_ID=122
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:oWL9LEAoTX8J:services.salford.gov.uk/solar_documents/REGEN%2520REPORT%2520MAY%25202009.DOC

Highriser you are right about the ramada ans its impact

got off the x43 and looked across from the lower Slaford side through this land.

And I swear I would be curious to think how this public realm will be used.

Public realm app (http://publicaccess.salford.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=KHTUYHNP05X00) goes to planning committee next week(16/07/09), recommended approval.

http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar/showmeeting.asp?ID=4172&MGP_ID=82
http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar_documents/PTRP160709F.DOC

An interesting quote from a MCC planning report (http://www.manchester.gov.uk/egov_downloads/list_6_1_.pdf) relating to the Manchester side of the bridge:
...
The Scheme's relationship to the highway network

It is a longstanding objective of the City Council, dating back to 1996, to secure the closure of Victoria St and it was a key component of the Masterplan for the rebuilding of the City Centre.

It is one of the few remaining elements of that plan yet to be implemented to achieve the original objective to fully integrate Manchester Cathedral, Chethams and the Millennium Quarter with the River Irwell. More recent initiatives based around the Irwell City Park concept, including the redevelopment of the Ramada complex and the aspirations of the Cathedral to be more active within the area have all reinforced and have been based on the closure of Victoria St.

Whilst that part of the new bridge within Manchester has no direct impact on the existing road network it is important to understand that some of the associated works of the full bridge scheme within Salford will affect the road network. So long as this does not affect the ability to close Victoria St in the future the current proposal can be acceptable.

Without the closure of Victoria St the ability to provide a proper setting for developments in both Salford and Manchester, and to make positive connections to the public realm areas of Cathedral Gardens, Exchange Square and beyond, will be lost.
...

The planning apps go to committee next week(23/07/09):
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/1000/planning_and_highways_committee

The proposed closure of Victoria St, the redevelopment of Ramada, the Chetham's School of Music proposal and the square propsoed where Salford Market used to be, coupled with the already here Exchange Square, Cathedral Gardens and the Irwell. This will potentially create quite an expanse of car-free public realm.

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/egov_downloads/list_8_1_.pdf

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/egov_downloads/list_7_1_.pdf

Salford approved the public realm app (http://publicaccess.salford.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=KHTUYHNP05X00) last week, just needs Manchester to approve their bit & they can get started...in November.

A couple of quotes from a SCC report (http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar_documents/PTRP160709M.DOC) that accompanied the Public Realm app:
...
Archaeology
The reinstatement of the market cross and the acknowledgement of the original market hall form part of the detailed design of the second phase of the Greengate public realm. The archaeology and heritage interpretation needs to be considered in the wider medieval quarter context and in collaboration with Manchester City Council. The detailed interpretation is being discussed at the Heritage Working Group and with Greater Manchester Archaeology Unit.
...
Costs
The total cost of this first phase of the public real is currently estimated to be £13.7m. The second phase, Greengate Square, is estimated to be a further £8.7m.

The HCA has already contributed £3m towards the acquisition costs of the former bus station with the City Council funding the additional £0.5m. In terms of the deliver costs £5.5m has already been secured from the HCA with the additional £4.7 being funded by the North West Development Agency.

The £8.7m cost of phase 2, Greengate Square, is currently envisaged to be funded from S106 contributions. In terms of delivery of phase 2, a start on site is not scheduled until 2014.
...

If Victoria St is pedestrianised then where would traffic be diverted? If traffic diverts down Chapel St then potentially they would have to reverse the new traffic calming measures...not such a great thing for the new public realm or the phase 2 scheme...

http://i32.tinypic.com/29m7g47.jpg http://i29.tinypic.com/2nisajc.jpg

work started last week, car park being dug up, piling. One less car park in Manchester

Any more info on this anyone :?

A couple of quotes from a SCC report (http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar_documents/PTRP160709M.DOC) that accompanied the Public Realm app:


If Victoria St is pedestrianised then where would traffic be diverted? If traffic diverts down Chapel St then potentially they would have to reverse the new traffic calming measures...not such a great thing for the new public realm or the phase 2 scheme...

http://i32.tinypic.com/29m7g47.jpg http://i29.tinypic.com/2nisajc.jpg

New Bridge st greengate and Victoria Bridge st would make more sense, its all pretty wide, Greengate (the street) runs under Greengate (the development) and the Rail Viaduct.

New Bridge st greengate and Victoria Bridge st would make more sense, its all pretty wide, Greengate (the street) runs under Greengate (the development.

Actually there is a bit of traffic info in that above report (http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar_documents/PTRP160709M.DOC), they are reversing the flow of Greengate for this scheme, also appears they are planning on some works to Gravel Lane:
The reversal of the traffic flow of Greengate will necessitate the introduction of an alternative route out for traffic generated in the area to the north of Chapel Street, mainly light industrial goods vehicles and a significant volume of existing car parking commuter traffic.

The alternative route proposed is via Gravel Lane situated to the east off Blackfriars Road and which is currently a one-way access into the area as far as Greengate. This section of Gravel Lane would become two way working and it is considered that a minimum width of 5.5metres will be necessary to maintain two-way access. Any widening of the existing Gravel Lane would need to be undertaken before the reversal of Greengate was brought into effect.

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anyone got the artists impression of this?

To be fair to that scheme, there is very little pedestrian flow past it currently. I can imagine once the Irwell City Park goes ahead if Albert House gets redeveloped and once there are more workers/amenities in Salford/Chapel Street there will be more passers by.

Currently the Manchester entrance to the bridge looks like a back alley, hardly anyone walks along the riverside and there appears little reason to use the bridge anyway.

Maybe if the Mayfield development goes ahead and the building gets replaced with a retail anchour store (like Cityco were suggesting) it could have a much better walkway along the river and lead to the riverside directly from a new retail axis. Once/if that occurs you could end up with many more people resting by the area and it being a bit less desolate.

Any more info on this anyone :?

checked this today, its a car park again. bad vibes.

checked this today, its a car park again. bad vibes.

Tbh, I've seen diggers/workers on this site as far back as early last year. It turns back into a car park eventually.

I. Looks new Chogs.

There's larger renders available. I've tried to sharpen them a bit.

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Hopefully they have changed the design again to these - bit better, not much though...

http://www.greengateembankment.com

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^^what a dynamic urban environment:crazy:







i should say, that's just my first impressions.

Not sure of some of those designs. The creamy bland block on the Exchange station forecourt is erm crap, especially when it opposite the cathedral, which itself is slam on top of the original Mancenion.

Has the sad feel of what they did to Koln cathedral.

But the rest is fine and I would be curious to travel forward and see if the real and perceived extend of the city centre's boundaries have comfortably encapsuled this part or still feels like its borders.

But the rest is fine and I would be curious to travel forward and see if the real and perceived extend of the city centre's boundaries have comfortably encapsuled this part or still feels like its borders.

I think that part of the problem is when you go any further north or north-west out of the city centre from the Cathedral, there's a pretty abrupt transition to a fairly industrial landscape. It's not like heading south down Oxford Rd say, where the shift from city centre to university to Rusholme (a very busy residential/commercial area) is fairly smooth. If you head up Great Ducie St you only have to walk a couple of minutes beyond Victoria and all you'll see is car hire businesses, garages, and machine parts wholesalers. Which means you get very little foot traffic heading to or from those directions, and the area has a pretty desolate feel. It's a big contrast to somewhere like Cheetham Hill Rd, which is only a stone's throw east from there.

I think the gradual regeneration of the Chapel St area (and central Salford in general) might help to make the Greengate locale feel a bit more integrated into the city, but until the Great Ducie St/Bury New Rd axis becomes a bit more lively I think that kind of disconnected feeling might stay pretty much how it is.

The buildings on the right hand side (on the second renders) might be okay - it's just a bad set of pics. The building on the left looks awful - like some giant prison block....

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/5428AbitoManchester_pic17.jpg

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^^ a good overview of the site - not seen it from that angle before. Nice to see the Canopus site progressing, should soon be ready for the first residents (Mr Newt and his son Great Crested). Can also see the possible concealed entrance to the mysterious Victoria platforms 7 & 8 ...

Can also see the possible concealed entrance to the mysterious Victoria platforms 7 & 8 ...

Okay, I'll bite. What do you mean, my little furry friend?

It has been mentioned (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=41249172#post41249172) that there is a rumour of 2 hidden platforms at Victoria, to the north of the current ones. I was speculating that perhaps this would be a good angle to see any entrance that might lead to them - there seems to be something on the wall, but you can't see clearly at this resolution (perhaps someone goes past regularly in a train, and can find out).

I would say it is unlikely that there would be platforms there - before it was remodelled there weren't any there, so why would they build some but not use them. Would be nice if there were though.

It has been mentioned (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=41249172#post41249172) that there is a rumour of 2 hidden platforms at Victoria, to the north of the current ones. I was speculating that perhaps this would be a good angle to see any entrance that might lead to them - there seems to be something on the wall, but you can't see clearly at this resolution (perhaps someone goes past regularly in a train, and can find out).

I would say it is unlikely that there would be platforms there - before it was remodelled there weren't any there, so why would they build some but not use them. Would be nice if there were though.

Not quite a J K Rowling page turner :), but intriguing nonetheless, cheers.

Would have been sharper with a tripod but..:
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I think I can see what Gerbil was looking at. The brown wall at the bottom of the picture? Looks a bit like a filled in tunnel or something, but never existed unfortunately!

Almightycloaks photo shows it well. You can see the two bridges approaching the different coloured brick work to the left of the mainlines. I wish I could find a way to see what was on the other side!

Little snippet from Richard Leese's blog:
...we had the first meeting of the Irwell River Park Steering Group yesterday followed by a Central Salford Urban Regeneration Company Board meeting. Lots of big issues to discuss with John but the one we have to resolve today is a Memorandum of Understanding between our two cities that would allow Salford to get on with building a new pedestrian bridge from outside the cathedral over to Greengate/Exchange Station and would allow Manchester to bring Cathedral Gardens right down to the river via a pedestrianised Victoria Street.
...
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/blog/leadersblog/post/315

These new Greengate Embankment images don't do the area any favours atall. Am I the only one that thinks this redevelopment actually cuts Greengate off from the city, rather than connect it?

Em

Finally might see some movement on the bridge/realm construction, quote from RL's blog:
...
This morning started formally with the regular meeting with Salford when John Merry and I were at last able to sign a Memorandum of Understanding which will allow them to get on with a new pedestrian bridge over the Irwell and us to pedestrianise Victoria Street in front of the cathedral.
...
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/blog/leadersblog/post/327

I think all the funding is in place for this, a report back in May suggested a November start.

as spectrum apartment owner..an upliftment of the surrounding area would be more than welcome. :applause:

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^^ the building in the background of this reminds me of that building in Cardiff - i love it !

Anyway - a teensy question if i may;

'I seem to have read somewhere that those two twin towers that were planned for this area have been cancelled ? Is this true ??'

You mean Canopus - that's definitely dead; the developer (BSC = BullShit Co) were building 3 buildings in Manchester, Issa Quay (went up, but building inspectors currently not sure it's structurally sound, and bits have been reported blowing off it), Canopus (basically they hadn't a clue what they were doing), and Sarah tower (definitely unsafe - one of the Polish workers was killed when they dropped a beam on his head). The developer has gone into administration, and the person who masterminded the thing, Basha Issa (or whatever his name was) has run off home to the middle east. He is currently being pursued by people from a city in America (can't remember which one) where he's tried similar tactics. All of BSC's assets are in the process of being sold off by the administrator. So yeah, Canopus is dead.

Why can't we have a mix of materials for these buildings? It's always the same look which doesn't make for an ecclectic mix. We need a brick clad building, a wood clad one and then the glazed towers - make it far more dynamic and Continental.

You mean Canopus - that's definitely dead; the developer (BSC = BullShit Co) were building 3 buildings in Manchester, Issa Quay (went up, but building inspectors currently not sure it's structurally sound, and bits have been reported blowing off it), Canopus (basically they hadn't a clue what they were doing), and Sarah tower (definitely unsafe - one of the Polish workers was killed when they dropped a beam on his head). The developer has gone into administration, and the person who masterminded the thing, Basha Issa (or whatever his name was) has run off home to the middle east. He is currently being pursued by people from a city in America (can't remember which one) where he's tried similar tactics. All of BSC's assets are in the process of being sold off by the administrator. So yeah, Canopus is dead.


Oh my god - thats quite a story !! But all those buildings were so nice :(

You mean Canopus - that's definitely dead; the developer (BSC = BullShit Co) were building 3 buildings in Manchester, Issa Quay (went up, but building inspectors currently not sure it's structurally sound, and bits have been reported blowing off it), Canopus (basically they hadn't a clue what they were doing), and Sarah tower (definitely unsafe - one of the Polish workers was killed when they dropped a beam on his head). The developer has gone into administration, and the person who masterminded the thing, Basha Issa (or whatever his name was) has run off home to the middle east. He is currently being pursued by people from a city in America (can't remember which one) where he's tried similar tactics. All of BSC's assets are in the process of being sold off by the administrator. So yeah, Canopus is dead.

You forgot to mention the charred remains of the 14 story framework and lowrise on Great Ancoats Street.

Greengate public realm work to start shortly, says Ask

1 Dec 2009, 16:02

Michael Hunt

Whitelaw Turkington and Arup have had plans for the £10.4m Greengate public realm scheme approved by Salford and Manchester city councils.

Approvals for the scheme were given the green light by Manchester City Council on Monday 9 November, following Salford City Council approval in July this year.

The 32-acre Greengate site will provide public open space, which can be used for events such as markets and concerts, with a wider network of existing and proposed green spaces.

Central Salford, the urban regeneration company, hired landscape architect Whitelaw Turkington and Arup to work up plans for improved linkages between Ask and Network Rail's Greengate site and Manchester city centre in September last year.

The project will be delivered in two stages. The first will include new areas of public realm with £8.5m of funding from the Homes and Communities Agency which includes:


A pedestrian bridge linking Salford and Manchester


The creation of the Urban Cove - a multi-use public space featuring water and bordered by amphitheatre style seating and extensive tree planting


A link to encourage movement northwards from the end of the bridge into the future Greengate square, which will be lined with ground floor units, tree planting and lighting columns

The Greengate scheme is being led by Central Salford and funding has so far been confirmed by the Homes and Communities Agency and will be delivered in partnership with development partners Ask Developments and Network Rail.

John Hughes, director at Ask Developments, said: "The level of co-operation between ourselves, Network Rail, Central Salford, HCA and Salford City Council has been excellent. Subject to securing a suitable occupier pre-let we are now in a position to start on site within a relatively short timescale."

Deborah McLaughlin, HCA's North West director, said: "Despite the difficult market conditions, we are all working extremely hard to get started on this important public realm which will connect the cities of Salford and Manchester. With the planning in place and the developer ready to start, we hope to be able to push forward in the very near future."

The planning permission has conditions, which refer specifically to the archaeological survey. Oxford Archaeology carried out the survey on the proposed site with observations from the Greater Manchester archaeological anit and members of Salford City Council's design and heritage group.

The Greengate site is just one of the wider proposals to regenerate Salford and the surrounding area. It will form a link between several proposed developments.

To the east and west are plans by Ask Developments, which adjoin the Greengate site and West Properties have plans to the south west of the River Irwell. On the sites eastern boundary is the plan to re-establish the existing Bijou bar so that it opens on to Greengate.

http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/archive/4887-greengate-public-realm-work-to-start-shortly-says-ask.html

??? That would make it over 270m ???

And it says "buildings" meaning more than one taller than 270m...................

Sounds like somones ben drinking :drunk:

Sooooooo if Greengate is being resuscitated:banana:, what's the latest on building heights, anyone???

Who reckons Network Rail's contribution, supposedly funded from its already maxed out £22billion credit card (debt) limit, will see this scheme completed?

Surely Link (although I bow to your inside knowledge) network rail will profit from the re-generation of semi redundant land?

Surely Link (although I bow to your inside knowledge) network rail will profit from the re-generation of semi redundant land?

I suppose you have to spend money in the first place to earn a return in the future, and Network Rail don't seem to have that sort of moolah hanging around to spend on what could be considered a peripheral speculative property enterprise. Possibly :)

Best,
Slip

Manchester Confidential. Renders below article.

Hmmm. More 'silly' metal art sculptures and another (not working) water fountain, squirty-thingy-ma-bob! Why can't they come up with something original for once?

Weather forecast: extra mist for Salford

Greengate public realm scheme approved, here are some pics – let's get some swings and slides there instead

A couple of months ago we mentioned the Greengate plans on the our architectural column (click here).

“Both the beacons and the fountains can emit mist. This will be in the form of a fine water vapour released at high pressure – think of those New York steam clouds coming out of the pavement. A whole show with lights and the mist can be created, programmed in on a computer.”

This article focussed on the decrepit state of Victoria Bridge, a grade II listed structure, shockingly neglected, and the original point of contact between Manchester and Salford.

The plans for the redevelopment of Greengate were mentioned. This is the area overlooked by Manchester Cathedral, extending under the railway arches to Trinity Way in Salford.

The plans for the public realm over this huge 13 hectare site have now been approved by both Manchester and Salford.

The scheme is worth £10.4million.

There are three phases with the first going on site in 2010 for completion in 2011. The second phase will then move northwest under the viaducts (where two thirds of the rail viaducts here and the properties on Chapel Street will be demolished) and the third phase of public realm concludes with a large ‘green’ square close to where Abito apartments stand on Greengate.

The latest ideas for the first phase are displayed here.

They include a new footbridge from Manchester Cathedral over the River Irwell into Salford and a landscaping scheme by Whitelaw Turkington.


Confidential talked Phase One through with Nick Putnam of Central Salford Urban Regeneration Company.

“We’re very happy with the plan,” he told us. “It has a range of features designed to grab attention of people on the Manchester side and pull them over the bridge, into Salford and the Greengate area. This first phase of public realm will provide a large public open space, which we will animate on various occasions with events, markets, music and so on. It will have fountains, seating and beacons. These will be lit in an exciting and attractive manner.”

Fair enough. The site presently has a particularly ugly car park planted on it. But there are issues.

The main one is why build another bridge?

There's a perfectly good bridge waiting for cleaning, de-planting and restoration less than 6m away from the proposed footbridge. It seems a weird decision to build this new structure when Victoria Bridge is crying out for attention.

“Victoria Bridge carries a lot of traffic and has narrow pavements,” says Putnam. “We want to create a sense of place for the new public realm and a dedicated introduction to the Greengate scheme. This will take people in a safe and attractive way straight into Greengate from the Manchester side.”

Not sure that makes a sufficient case to justify the expense, so we agree to differ. We move on to the Piccadilly Gardens look-alike fountains? Manchester has a terrible reputation for crocked fountains, spouts that seem to define themselves by not working.

“This isn't Manchester,” says Putnam. “We're putting in place a management company and there will be a dedicated officer to keep the fountains running day to day. This fountain is very different from Piccadilly too, with more fountain-heads, 36 of them. They have a whole array of different features including the ability to light them.”

We like fountains, so as long as they work they get a big Confidential thumbs up.

Now what are the awful cheap-looking metal structures that are getting in the way in these pictures?

Putnam describes them for us. “They're beacons. They're part of our plan for pulling people across the river into Salford. They can be lit and used for display, have projections thrown on to them as well. The illustration doesn't do the beacons justice perhaps.”

He pauses and then tells us the strange idea.

“Both the beacons and the fountains can emit mist. This will be in the form of a fine water vapour released at high pressure – think of those New York steam clouds coming out of the pavement. A whole show with lights and the mist can be created, programmed in by computer.”

Do we need to create mist in Salford, we ask?

“It looks spectacular,” says Putnam. “In hot weather it'll work particularly well. We have made the decision not to call the effect fog though,” he joshed.

Confidential isn't sure about the beacons at all. They look rubbish so let's hope that they don't get in the way or keep breaking down.

View to the public realm site from the Manchester side. Two thirds of the viaducts and the buildings directly in front will be demolished

The night time graphic shows kids playing in the fountains in the evening – obviously by 2011 global warming will have completely changed the climate. But this gives Confidential the excuse to raise one of its chief bugbears again.

The city centre – and the area bounded by Trinity Way in Salford is becoming effectively the city centre – needs a playground, a proper good one, as in Heaton Park. This site over the river from the main retail area of Manchester would be absolutely ideal. It would also complement the residential developments in Greengate.

We say forget the beacons and stuff the mist, bring us slides and swings. It would encourage families to stay longer in the city centre and guarantee revenue for cafes and bars in the pictured railway arches, whilst giving the exciting Greengate scheme a very human, very sympathetic introduction. The changes in the area are very much needed, but it will need constant animation to ensure the public realm doesn't look like dead space: a playground would provide that animation.

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It looks like someone said 'what are we going to do with this space' and came up with fuck all worthwhile or original, it's at the top end of utter shittiness.

Looks like something Stockport would have.

I like everything except those godawful beacons.

Dare I ask, but why can't we just put real trees there instead of their metal equivalents?

the images are extremely poor. they do not sell the scheme very well at all.

the images are extremely poor. they do not sell the scheme very well at all.

Mmmm I agree - and still no answer as to what the height of the final finished buildings will be - remember what we were promised at the beginning and subsequent titbits?

So anyone know building heights?

Personally I've always felt pretty safe walking down Victoria Bridge Street. The existing car park is more useful than this plan.

Greengate Public Realm Project Phase 1A and 1B - NWRDA Funding Agreement
1 Report Attached

http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar/showmeeting.asp?ID=4405&MGP_ID=115

Just been looking through a report on the new public realm management arrangements, maintenance funding etc...
Planning Lead Member Briefing - 23 March 2010 - Exchange Greengate: Greengate Management Company - Salford City Council Contribution and Management (http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar/showmeeting.asp?ID=4464&MGP_ID=115)

love these council tax projections,

Council Tax Revenue

5.25 The additional Council Tax revenue will come from a mix of completed and proposed development, as follows:

Annual Council Tax revenue

Already completed/part completed £784,992
Outline planning permission granted £1,105,000
Planning application submitted £549,848
Further development under consideration £176,800

Total £2,616,640

The above analysis is based on a Band A payment of £884 per annum.

5.26 CB Richard Ellis undertook a Residential Market Demand Study (July 2009) to inform Central Salford Urban Regeneration Company’s bid for Northwest Regional Development Agency investment. This study reviewed the residential development assumptions out in the Exchange Greengate Planning Guidance and identified a reduction of between 1100 and 1400.

Even with a significant reduction in residential development, the increase in Council Tax payments is still significant and more than enough to cover the annual management and maintenance cost identified in this report (Annex c and Annex D).
...
APPENDIX D: CITY COUNCIL, COUNCIL TAX AND NON-DOMESTIC BUSINESS RATE REVENUES FORECAST FOR EXCHANGE GREENGATE

Council Tax forecasts have been calculated on the basis of Band A (£884):

• Abito (completed - 256 units) £226,304;
• The Approach (completed - 54 units) £47,736;
• Dandara (part completed - 578 units in total) £510,952;
• ASK & Network Rail (outline p/p - 650 units) £574,600;
• ASK (outline p/p - 600 units) £530,400;
• British Standards Construction Site (p/p submitted - 403 units) £356,252;
• Paloma (under negotiation - 219 units) £193,596; and
• Land at junction of Greengate/New Bridge Street (under negotiation - 200 units) £176,800.

Total £2,616,640

Why hasn't this f*ckin started already? Sorry for the vulgarity but the announcements for a long time seem to have been will start very shortly and then nothing and nothing again .... and nothing again!

Plant palm trees I say!

Appeared on my travel news this morning:

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Grant aims to nudge Greengate back on track

6 Apr 2010, 08:52

Funding has been approved by the North West Development Agency for the public realm and infrastructure work at the Greengate development area on the border of Manchester and Salford.

The area comprises features 32 acres of brownfield land and the site of the former Manchester Exchange Station. The site is bounded by Chapel Street in Salford and Gravel Lane and is opposite Manchester Cathedral.

The NWDA said it hopes its assistance will boost the £400m mixed-use scheme planned by Ask Developments, which stalled due to the economic downturn.

The public investment is made up of £3.4m from the NWDA and £1.38m from the European Regional Development Fund, which is managed by the NWDA.

The money will be used for land acquisition, demolition work and to support, with funding from the Homes & Communities Agency of £8.5m, the construction of the Urban Cove, a new area with water features and a pedestrian bridge across the River Irwell.

Later phases of public realm will create a paved square with water features and a light installation underneath the railway viaduct, and another square with lawn and trees and a reproduction of the ancient market place that once stood on the site.

Ask Developments plans 1m sq ft of commercial space and 1,100 residential units. The developer is, in common with the rest of the market, awaiting prelets before starting on site.

Liz Meek, chairman of the European Regional Development Fund's Programme Monitoring Committee, said: "European funding has changed the face of towns and cities across the Northwest. Again and again we have seen how investment in public spaces is the key to attracting private investment. I'm delighted that this important scheme is now back on track."

http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/archive/5796-grant-aims-to-nudge-greengate-back-on-track.html


Greengate regeneration scheme kick-started with £4.8m NWDA grant

6th April 2010

By Ben Rooth - Business Correspondent

A REGENERATION initiative which could create over 5,000 jobs has received £4.8m investment from the Northwest Regional Development Agency (NWDA).

The money has been awarded to improve an area linking Manchester’s 'medieval quarter' and Salford’s riverside by creating around 111,200 square metres of commercial floorspace - including a new hotel - and 1,100 residential units.

The area, known as Greengate, features 13 hectares of brownfield land and the site of the former Manchester Exchange Station. It is bounded by both Chapel Street in Salford and Gravel Lane and lies opposite Manchester Cathedral.

Central Salford Urban Regeneration Company has taken the lead on the project in association with Salford City Council, the Homes and Communities Agency, Ask Developments and Network Rail.

Steven Broomhead, chief executive of the NWDA, said that it is hoped that the scheme will result in a further £400m of private investment in the area.

He said: "I am delighted we can announce investment for Greengate which presents an opportunity of enormous significance and benefit to Salford and Greater Manchester.

"Public investment in the public spaces and infrastructure will underpin the economic regeneration and re-development of the Greengate area.

"This will contribute towards new job creation and economic growth, while enhancing the image and perception of Salford, the regional centre and the North West region by visitors and potential private investors."

The NWDA's £4.8m grant - of which £1.4m comes from the European Regional Development Fund - is seen as key to kick-starting the project which had been delayed by the economic downturn.

The money will be used for land acquisition, demolition work and to support – with funding from the Homes and Communities Agency of £8.5million – the start of some aspects of the construction work.

The first phase of the development is expected to involve the large-scale development of Grade ‘A’ business space and car parking by Ask Developments.

Chris Farrow, chief executive of Central Salford URC said: “Greengate is a key project that will revitalise this important part of Salford and I am delighted with what the public and private sector, working in partnership, have achieved to date in driving this scheme forward.

"Greengate is an integral part of the wider proposals Central Salford is leading on as part of its £4bn programme of regeneration.

"Not only does it form part of the impressive Irwell River Park project, but it also strengthens the connection between the historic core of Salford and Manchester and the £650m regeneration of the Chapel Street area, being led by English Cities Fund.”

The initiative will also create several public spaces which are intended to enhance the area's visual appeal while also acknowledging the history that is at the site's core.

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/


£4.8m boost for Greengate regeneration plans

Plans to regenerate the area around Manchester's former Exchange railway station have received a boost from £4.8m of grant funding

The money from the Northwest Regional Development Agency will be used to improve 13 hectares of brownfield land in the Exchange Greengate area, on the border of Manchester and Salford.

The redveloped Greengate Embankment area will form a link between Manchester's Medieval Quarter, around the cathedral and Chetham's, and Salford's riverside.

The area is bounded by both Chapel Street in Salford and Gravel Lane and is opposite Manchester Cathedral.

The regeneration plans are expected to lever in more than £400m of private sector investment in shopping, a hotel, new homes, commercial space.

The first phase involves a Grade ‘A' office development with car parking by Ask Developments, which signed a collaboration agreement on the site with Salford City Council last May.

Detailed planning consent for the Greengate scheme was secured by Central Salford Urban Regeneration Company last July.

The grant is made up of £3.4m from the NWDA and £1.38m from the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF), which is managed by the NWDA.

Steven Broomhead, chief executive of the NWDA, said: "Public investment in the public spaces and infrastructure will underpin the economic regeneration and re-development of the Greengate area. This will contribute towards new job creation and economic growth, while enhancing the image and perception of Salford, the Regional Centre and the Northwest region by visitors and potential private investors."

The overall public realm project is likely to deliver 111,200sqm of commercial floorspace, 1,100 residential units and over 5,000 gross direct jobs.

The scheme includes The Urban Cove, a street level water space with large water features and "an iconic new pedestrian bridge" from Victoria Street.

The NWDA said: "The Cove symbolically raises the River Irwell to the Chapel Street level while the bridge provides a crossing connecting Salfrod and Manchester. Together they will provide a stunning gateway into Greengate."

The Greengate Link will be a paved square and pedestrian route lined with water features, and a light installation underneath the railway viaduct.

The scheme also includes Greengate Square, a future phase which will form a new green heart to Greengate. It will have a central lawn will be surrounded by densely planted trees and granite terraces. The Square will also include the re-establishment of the ancient Market Place where new monuments will mark the sites of the original Exchange and Salford Cross.

Funding from NWDA and ERDF will be used for land acquisition, demolition work and to support the construction of the Urban Cove, which is also funded with £8.5m from the Homes and Communities Agency.

http://www.crainsmanchesterbusiness.co.uk/article/20100406/FREE/100409957/1053

Wasn't the above grant agreed a while ago? Has anything changed or is this a non-story? If things have changed, does this mean this may finally get going?

Also I thought the pedestrian link under the viaduct was part of the phase 1 works?

There has been talks for years and years almost a decade of talks of something being done. Yet, nothing has been done so far. It has been approved when the economy is just quite shit. There is funding now hopefully work can begin now, or in another 10 years time.

I want the thing built.

A little pic in the business section of today's MEN online

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/bbbbbb.jpg

Noticed this in SCC's July Forward Plan (http://www.salford.gov.uk/forward.htm), still working on the proposals for the closure of Victoria St,

74. Greengate Area - Joint Report of Manchester City Council and Salford City Council

1. Description of the matter in respect of which the decision is to be made

This report will report back on the joint working undertaken by Salford City Council, Manchester City Council, Greater Manchester Passenger Transport Executive and Aecom into the closure of Victoria Street and the consequences for the delivery of the Greengate public realm works. The background to this piece of work is the Memorandum of Understanding entered into by Salford City Council and Manchester City Council on 6 November 2009.

Approval is needed from the Leader of Salford City Council and the Leader of Manchester City Council to the recommendations set out in the Aecom’s Report ‘Impacts of Highway Network Changes in the Chapel Street and Victoria Street areas of Salford and Manchester (Jun 2010)’ into the highway network improvements needed to facilitate the closure of Victoria Street.

The report to the Leaders of Salford City Council and Manchester City Council seeks approval in principle a total cost of £1,000,000 to deliver the programme of highway network changes. The costs are to be split on a 50/50 deal between the two authorities and spread across the financial years 2011/12 and 2012/13


3. Date of decision, or period within which it is to be made

A joint Leaders decision is needed at the joint Leaders meeting on 9th July 2010.

Salford seeks approval for Greengate bridge
18th August 2010

By James Graham - Business Correspondent

SALFORD City Council has submitted plans to the Department of Transport for a new footbridge across the Irwell as part of the Greengate regeneration scheme.

The Greengate plan will link Manchester Cathedral with Salford’s riverside by creating around 111,200 square metres of commercial floorspace - including a new hotel - and 1,100 residential units.

The 13-hectare brownfield plot, which includes the site of the former Manchester Exchange Station, is bounded by both Chapel Street in Salford and Gravel Lane and lies opposite Manchester Cathedral.

Central Salford Urban Regeneration Company has taken the lead on the project in association with Salford City Council, the Homes and Communities Agency, Ask Developments and Network Rail.

Earlier this year the North West Development Agency (NWDA) put £4.8m into the scheme for land acquisition, demolition work and to support – with funding from the Homes and Communities Agency of £8.5m – the start of some aspects of the construction work.

How long is funding allocated from the NWDA/HCA retained? is it just held until a project starts, or could they risk it by delaying works?

It's obvious they're not going to start work on the public realm until ASK show some intention, and that could be a while. So much for being on site this summer.

May get an update on it this week, after discussion at Cabinet, behind closed doors,
Cabinet Meeting - 26 October 2010

B Items Not open to the Public
B1 Greengate Enabling Development (http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar_documents/decisions/CBNTD261010C.DOC)
B2 Greengate Regeneration (http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar_documents/decisions/CBNTD261010D.DOC)
https://services.salford.gov.uk/solar/showmeeting.asp?ID=4749&MGP_ID=19

Looking at the 'House 4 Life' comp, they've added a 5 page Q & A doc, and the deadline has been put back,

Salford House 4 Life

PDF Q & A (http://www.architecture.com/Files/RIBAProfessionalServices/CompetitionsOffice/LiveCompetitions/QAfinal.pdf) File size: 114kB

Due to the delay in issuing the response to questions, the submission deadline has been put back to 24 November at 2pm.
http://www.architecture.com/UseAnArchitect/FindAnArchitect/Competitions/LiveCompetitions/LiveCompetitions.aspx

Q. 16,
Is the proposed bridge across the river likely to happen or can we propose an alternative?

The Greengate Public Realm Scheme (Ph 1a & Ph 1B) which includes the new pedestrian footbridge will be delivered. The funding package of £10.2M is legally committed from our funding partners and Ph 1A which includes the new pedestrian footbridge is programmed to commence on site in November 2010.

Finally.

PUBLIC INVITED TO GREENGATE OPEN DAY AS £10.2M PUBLIC REALM SCHEME GETS UNDERWAY

Date Posted: 15 November 2010

Central Salford Urban Regeneration Company (CSURC) Salford City Council (SCC) and contractor Carillion are holding an open day to bring local residents and businesses up to date on plans for the Greengate area of Central Salford.

Located in the heart of Manchester city centre, Greengate is a major regeneration scheme, which will see 13 hectares of derelict brownfield land transformed into a major mixed-use development, the centrepiece of which will be a stunning public realm.

The redevelopment proposals include the delivery of major new commercial office floorspace, hotels and retail with the potential to include residential development. This will represent between £400million and £450million of private sector investment and a potential 4,500 new jobs.

The new piece of city centre public realm will comprise a contemporary footbridge linking Manchester and Salford, three major architectural sculptures, 36 coloured water fountains and an open green space. The public realm has been designed by Leeds based landscape architects Whitelaw Turkington and Arup's.

The public are invited to view the plans at The Premier Inn, Deansgate on Wednesday 24th November. There will be a staffed exhibition stand between 7am - 10am, 12pm - 2pm and between 5pm - 7pm, for any questions.

Commenting on the open day, Nik Puttnam, senior development manager, CSURC, said: "The Greengate area is a vital part of the continued regeneration of Salford as it acts as a key link between Salford and Manchester. The project will completely transform Greengate into a welcoming area, where people can live, work and play. The open day will be a great opportunity to share and chat through the plans with the public."

The project will be delivered by CSURC working in close partnership with SCC, funders the Home and Community Agency, Northwest Regional Development Agency and European Regional Development Fund, and a number of developers including Ask Developments and Network Rail. Carillion is the site contractor and will begin work in November 2010 and is aiming for completion in April 2012.
http://www.gmchamber.co.uk/news/1901

Salford makes progress with Exchange Greengate

17th November 2010

CENTRAL Salford Urban Regeneration Company (CSURC) is to host an open day showing off plans for the first phase of Exchange Greengate after gaining approval to embark on compulsory purchase orders for the remaining properties needed for the second phase.

The organisation is to host an open day on November 24 at The Premier Inn, Deansgate, aimed at residents and business owners in the area to provide them with information about what the first phase of the project will entail.

At the same time, the organisation has also gained approval from Salford City Council's planning committee yesterday to begin procedures for a compulsory purchase order for 5 & 7a Greengate - the two properties remaining in private hands which need to be razed in order for the second phase of public realm works to begin.

"It's something we want to avoid, but hopefully it will be sufficient to bring the owner to the table and achieve a private sale," said Nik Puttnam, senior development manager at CSURC.

He added that the organisation had been trying to engage with the properties' owner for two and a half years but they had not replied to previous offers or correspondence.

"We have an unwilling seller," he said. "The fact that the buildings are falling down is irrelevant."

Puttnam said that the CPO had "no impact" on the organisation's ability to deliver the first phase of the project, which has been designed by will involve public realm improvements including a new footbridge linking Manchester and Salford, three sculptures and 36 coloured water fountains.

It has been designed by Leeds-based landscape architects Whitelaw Turkington and consulting engineer Arup and will be built by contractor Carillion.

Overall redevelopment plans for the 13 hectare brownfield site being developed by Manchester-based Ask Developments include £400m-£450m worth of office, hotel and potential residential development.

“The Greengate area is a vital part of the continued regeneration of Salford as it acts as a key link between Salford and Manchester," said Puttnam.

"The project will completely transform Greengate into a welcoming area, where people can live, work and play. The open day will be a great opportunity to share and chat through the plans with the public.”

Work is set to start on the first phase in November 2010 and should be complete by April 2012.

CENTRAL Salford Urban Regeneration Company (CSURC)
:ohno:

Looking at the CPO decision doc,
4.4 The delivery of the Greengate public realm will complement the Ask Development and provide the linkage to Manchester city centre and the emerging Manchester Medieval Quarter. The first phase of the Ask Development will deliver 35,000 square metres of Grade A office floorspace in two blocks on the eastern side of the former Exchange Station site and a 452-space car park.

4.6 To inform the bid to the NWDA, commercial property agents GVA Grimley undertook an Office Demand Study to evidence the demand and future supply of new office floorspace. GVA Grimley estimated that up to the year 2024 there is a requirement for approximately 700,000 to 750,000 square metres of additional new office accommodation across Manchester, Salford and Trafford.

4.7 The GVA Grimley study concluded that the development of the first phase of 35,000 square metres of the Ask Development would meet the occupier demand to sustain the initial phase. However, timing is critical in order to ensure that Greengate is delivered earlier than competing schemes.

5.2 Delivery of the Ask Development is linked to a number of Private Sector Development Milestones whilst the delivery of Phase 1A (Urban Cove) and Phase 1B (The Link) of the Greengate public realm scheme is linked to a number of Public Sector Development Milestones

5.3 The Collaboration Agreement sets out the development programme for the Greengate public realm by Salford City Council and two phases totalling 35,000 square metres of commercial development.

http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar_documents/PLMR151110A.DOC

Not sure how old this is

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Cringe!

More of a special effects experiment than an overview of the development.

old renders ?

http://www.fcbstudios.com/websiteImages.aspx?projNo=1330&rank=2&type=1&rndCache=1

http://www.fcbstudios.com/websiteImages.aspx?projNo=1330&rank=3&type=1&rndCache=4

http://www.fcbstudios.com/websiteImages.aspx?projNo=1330&rank=5&type=1&rndCache=7

Looks terrible (the flythrough). Acres of space and visuals display 3 buildings positioned so close to each other they're practically on top of each other. I know it's conceptual but I hope whatever's built looks nothing like that

Not liking those renders at all! :( All this white render etc, it is not a coastal resort. Why can they not pick a nicer palette of materials and colours that REFLECTS the area rather than attempt to make it something it will never be.

lol, yeh they're veryyyy old.

lol, yeh they're veryyyy old.

evidently very conceptual

Hi Guys
I am a Master student in Politecnico di Milano,in Architectural Eng. For the urban part of my thesis, I am working on Salford, Greengate Area. Can u help me find any cad drawing of the area?
thanks

Hi
I am Master student in Politecnico di Milano,in Architectural Eng. For the urban part of my thesis, I am working on Salford, Greengate Area. Can u help me find any cad drawing of the area?
thanks

Work begins on site at Greengate

14 Jan 2011, 16:04

Carillion has started the first phase of public realm improvements at Greengate in Salford, including footbridge, water fountains and sculptures.

Designed by Leeds-based architects Whitelaw Turkington and engineers Arup, the work is due for completion by April 2012.

At a later stage, Ask Developments plans a major mixed-use development on the 32-acre site near Manchester Cathedral.

The public realm element is being delivered by Salford City Council supported by Central Salford urban regeneration company, North West Development Agency and European Regional Development Fund.

Mark Hughes, chief executive of the North West Development Agency, said: "Today marks the start of another significant development for Salford, which complements the redevelopment work taking place in nearby Chapel Street and Media City UK."

http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/archive/8066-work-begins-on-site-at-greengate.html

Excellent news!

Finally!!! I swear this was supposed to be already completed by now originally!

A few designs knocking about the web for the house 4 life competition, none too inspiring, due a shortlist from RIBA?

http://www.resetarchitecture.com/images/Reset%20Salford/07Reset_Salford_court.jpg
http://www.resetarchitecture.com/sub%20sites/Reset-NL-Salford.html

http://www.granterskinearchitects.com/ISO%20PLAN%20copy2.jpg-for-web-xlarge.jpg
http://www.granterskinearchitects.com/project_salford.html

http://www.amenityspace.co.uk/architecture/residential/images/salford/salfordaxo.jpg
http://www.amenityspace.co.uk/architecture/residential/salford01.htm

Yeah!

Lego blocks and outdoor tennis courts!

Great.

Hulme revival

Some sort of unitary modular concrete construction? Check!
Roadways in the sky? Check!
Cars kept away in dark recesses of the estate? Check!
A wonderful crime free social housing experiment that will be a fabtastic place to live in 20 years or obsolete already? hmmmm.

While I would love to embrace this sort of living and building style, I have just some reservations when making other people live in it....

In the superficial world of skyscrapercity, things can be dismissed so quickly.

For me, the House 4 Life competition is one of the most interesting and potentially one of the most important developments in the city.

A couple of photos from today...

http://i36.tinypic.com/2ezgw2x.jpg

How it might look eventually, water feature world! Originally posted by Voldemortblack

How it looks today...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/DSC01161.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/DSC01162.jpg

Interesting when I was looking from the bridge opposite you could see into the old Air raid shelters, I hadn't noticed before. Not sure what they will do about the old entrances, that I guess will be under the new bridge supports.

Interesting when I was looking from the bridge opposite you could see into the old Air raid shelters, I hadn't noticed before. Not sure what they will do about the old entrances, that I guess will be under the new bridge supports.

Where the scaffolding is? Could you, erm, get access? :shifty:

A few designs knocking about the web for the house 4 life competition

Here's an entry from Falconer Chester Hall with LPC http://www.fcharchitects.com/projects/concepts/salford-homes-4-life

http://www.fcharchitects.com/cms/resources/129612806202.sketchdocumentlowres-w600h480.jpg

http://www.fcharchitects.com/cms/resources/03.-detailed-house-year-10-low-res-w600h480.jpg

now that proposal i like...far less offensive and impermeable than the pre-credit crunch prison chic shite further up the page.

Sort of the funniest thing I have read on here Monkey and probably the most sensible.

"pre credit crunch poison chic shite."

Excellant.

Personally Greengate, alongside Strangeways, Chapel Street and Mayfield will be the areas that the cities need to seriously consider in the next decade.

They are the missing pieces of making Manchester/Salford a big city as opposed to just a city.

A couple of photos from today...

http://i36.tinypic.com/2ezgw2x.jpg

How it might look eventually, water feature world! Originally posted by Voldemortblack

How it looks today...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/DSC01161.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/DSC01162.jpg

Interesting when I was looking from the bridge opposite you could see into the old Air raid shelters, I hadn't noticed before. Not sure what they will do about the old entrances, that I guess will be under the new bridge supports.

does anyone know what's happening to the pink bridge in the 2nd picture? Is it going or staying?

Required

It probably has considerable heritage status aside from its present rather vital modern day use.

And erm my eyes sees claret or maroon not pink. But my eyes go all funny when i see field grey. So each to their own.

And erm my eyes sees claret or maroon not pink.

You would be surprised at how much difference there is between monitors - even the three I have on various computers show distinct colour variations. That's why I use a calibrated monitor for serious photographic work.

edit

Oh and I walk through that tunnel every day so I am 100% about it being pink.

A few designs knocking about the web for the house 4 life competition, none too inspiring, due a shortlist from RIBA?

http://www.resetarchitecture.com/images/Reset%20Salford/07Reset_Salford_court.jpg
http://www.resetarchitecture.com/sub%20sites/Reset-NL-Salford.html

http://www.granterskinearchitects.com/ISO%20PLAN%20copy2.jpg-for-web-xlarge.jpg
http://www.granterskinearchitects.com/project_salford.html

http://www.amenityspace.co.uk/architecture/residential/images/salford/salfordaxo.jpg
http://www.amenityspace.co.uk/architecture/residential/salford01.htm

Back to early 1960's social housing designs...oh dear

Christ, Gan Den is right. They're fucking awful. Has this country/city not learnt its' lesson from Hulme Crescents?

How much is it to ask for a few bars/shops/restaurants/cafe's placed along a waterfront promenade with some aesthetically pleasing offices and residential apartments lining the waterfront too?

Personally I still don't understand this need to have everything done as masterplans. Spending millions and taking years to roughly plan countless blocks and blobs that never come to fruition because they can't find enough interest or investment. Why can't more of our cities just develop small plots under within a nice little framework? We would have a far more exciting wave of new developments if they were treated on an individual basis.

However...a very much awaited upliftment of the whole area!!!

Personally I still don't understand this need to have everything done as masterplans. Spending millions and taking years to roughly plan countless blocks and blobs that never come to fruition because they can't find enough interest or investment. Why can't more of our cities just develop small plots under within a nice little framework? We would have a far more exciting wave of new developments if they were treated on an individual basis.

Pennies make pounds, I get what you're saying.

Salford Quays is a moderate example of this. Lots of different architectural imputs over the years rather than just one big mega project.

Aha, one of the three on the shortlist, the 'Workhome' project,

http://i52.tinypic.com/14botp0.jpg

quite a few involved in the consortium,
Our submission, made in partnership with Cazenove Architects [and with Baufritz [UK] Ltd, Cyril Sweett PLC, Contour Homes, Godliman Watson Homes, Whitelaw Turkington in the Consortium], was put on a short-list of three [out of 60 entries] in January 2011.
http://www.theworkhome.com/architectural-competitions

Back to early 1960's social housing designs...oh dear

Worth noting that those are just random competition entries found on the net, none necessarily have been shortlisted, at least one of those didn't even make it to the organisers before the deadline...

Be interesting to see the other two on the list, hopefully a little innovation, i'm guessing these are first stage designs anyway, before the concepts are polished after shortlisting.

I'm sure an occasional good bit of design comes out of these competitions.

does anyone know what's happening to the pink bridge in the 2nd picture? Is it going or staying?

It's going. All the bridges making up the tunnel are being removed except the final two at the Salford end which still carry trains.

It's going. All the bridges making up the tunnel are being removed except the final two at the Salford end which still carry trains.

Correct.

The nearest few carried the Manchester Exchange Station frontage, which despite many efforts to re-open the station is likely to remain shut and it will be swept away all the way back to the northern edge of the main car park. That will leave the old island and a double track formation south of it, but I doubt much railway use will be made of it.

I think the building on the left may be going too. That leaves the wall on the right which is having the red gate taken out and replaced with glass frontage for a shop

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4016/4715249380_6cec0ee644_z.jpg

I think the building on the left may be going too. That leaves the wall on the right which is having the red gate taken out and replaced with glass frontage for a shop

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4016/4715249380_6cec0ee644_z.jpg

For shame! The replacement on the render looks lumpen in comparison

Some pictures of the exchange station which used to stand here until the 60s.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Manchester_Exchange_3_railway_station_2116696_82c12e3b.jpg

http://manchesterhistory.net/manchester/stations/exchange57.jpg

...

At last. Wait a minute, the fecking docs aren't loading once again. What is it with these new planning poertals(both the same) at MCC and SCC, that aren't loading the docs. :bash:

Listed Building consent for the partial demolition of viaduct structure. Full Planning Permission for a 10-storey class B1 office building (building 100). Outline Planning Permission for a 9-storey class B1 office building (Building 100) - approval sought for access, layout, and scale. Full Planning Permission for a car park together with class A1,A2,A3,A4 and B1 retail/commercial units
Land Bounded By The River Irwell, Chapel Street, Greengate And The Former Liverpool To Manchester Railway Line

Ref. No: 11/60257/LBC | Received: Thu 14 Apr 2011 | Validated: Thu 14 Apr 2011 | Status: Pending Consideration

Partial demolition of viaduct structure. Full Planning Permission for a 10-storey class B1 office building (building 100). Outline Planning Permission for a 9-storey class B1 office building (Building 100) - approval sought for access, layout, and scale. Full Planning Permission for a car park together with class A1,A2,A3,A4 and B1 retail/commercial units
Land Bounded By The River Irwell, Chapel Street, Greengate And The Former Liverpool To Manchester Railway Line

Ref. No: 11/60256/HYB | Received: Thu 14 Apr 2011 | Validated: Thu 14 Apr 2011 | Status: Pending Consideration

Both here.
http://publicaccess.salford.gov.uk/publicaccess/pagedSearchResults.do?action=page&searchCriteria.page=1

I like it more now you can see the communal gardens and that they're family homes. Hope they've got some protection in place to prevent them being converted to HMO by cynical landlords though.

Simple - sell them as leasehold only and put a clause in the lease that they must be owner occupied and not let out, with the penalty of forfeitof the lease if they do. St Johns Gardens just of Deangate has the same clause.

At last. Wait a minute, the fecking docs aren't loading once again. What is it with these new planning poertals(both the same) at MCC and SCC, that aren't loading the docs. :bash:


Ask submits plans for Greengate scheme

20th April 2011

By James Graham - Business Correspondent

ASK Developments has submitted plans for the new scheme at Greengate close to Manchester Cathedral.

Ask has been working with Salford City Council on the project which will see the 13-hectare site around the former Exchange railway station turned into offices, housing and shops.

Together with Network Rail it has submitted a full planning application for a 10-storey office block and outline permisson for a nine-storey block. There is also space for parking and shops, bars and cafes.

The development also requires listed building consent for the partial demolition of a railway viaduct.

Planners in Salford see Greengate as a vital part of Salford's regeneration as it acts as a key link between the two cities.

Overall redevelopment plans for the brownfield site include £400m-£450m worth of office, hotel and potential residential development.

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/157437-prop-ask-submits-plans-for-greengate-scheme.html?news_section=4150

Apologies if this has already been posted. Clicking on the link/render brings up a error mesage ATM.

The office block cladding colour looks similar to that of MEN Arena, Manchester Cathedral, etc.

http://www.askdevelopments.com/assets/x/50400?width=185&heigth=161

http://www.askdevelopments.com/

That's the render Estates Gazette have used,

Ask submits plans for Greengate (http://www.egi.co.uk/articles/2011/04/20/733122/Ask-submits-plans-for-Greengate.htm?cp=ILC-EGI-RSS)

A little larger here:

http://oi51.tinypic.com/e6uh42.jpg

anyone know who the architect is for this first phase please?

anyone know who the architect is for this first phase please?

Application is online, but docs still aren't up. Give the planning office a call at SCC a call. His or her name is on the planning app.(I think)

Docs seem to be going on now.

Architects look to be the same as the previous design, BFLS,

http://www.bfls-london.com/en/the-exchange-greengates (old scheme)

Greengates :)

This is actually it...

http://i55.tinypic.com/2ztf37p.jpg

Think I prefer the white one, look more like a mini Elizabeth House replacement rather than something from a 1980's business park in Milton Keynes.

A bit of facade detail,

http://oi52.tinypic.com/10mqy4i.jpg

NQ is correct. (sadly) Docs are now up. Click on the link that I posted further back.

Milton Keynes office blocks comes to Greengate/Manchester City Centre. CRAP! Will SCC ever get it right?

Not really Greengate news, post from RL's blog about the pedestrianisation of Victoria Street, & being cryptic about another scheme(2CC?),
The 1997 post-bomb master plan identified the pedestrianisation of Victoria Street as a key project. There were a lot of other things that needed to be done before this could be achieved, but they are now all pretty much in place which should allow the pedestrianisation, initially on a trial basis, to begin later this year. Even then there will still be one major scheme from that master plan to be delivered and we are working on it !
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/blog/leadersblog/post/472

Medieval Quarter thread? :shifty:

He's previously referred to the Renaissance redevelopment as the final part of the post-bomb masterplan so could be that. Although I'd say given the size of that project and making it financially viable in the current climate could be years away still.

some pictures taken whilst bridge was being landed yesterday.

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx163/marksy_1/P1010482.jpg

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx163/marksy_1/P1010481.jpg

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx163/marksy_1/P1010489.jpg

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx163/marksy_1/P1010483.jpg

Great pics! Cheers Marksy :)

Wow, fantastic! They snook that in, dint they?! This project is really coming on great now! Hopefully some of the buildings around it will be approved and able to start construction before long, I'd hate this new plaza to be windswept for too long :ohno:

http://vimeo.com/27622638

think it goes here but it covers the general area around here but i got some news of this today in a meeting, not sure if its been mentioned before but a market will be reinstated in the area(square/plaza?) as historically there was one here

the arches on the salford side are in an advanced stage where they will be opened up (the bit under the road going to the exchange site) and the ones along chaple street in the immediate area, the arches on the manchester side (victoria arches) will also be opened up and he showed a pic the new entrance to the crypt of st martin's in the field,london which is how they would like the entrance to be,

victoria street from the west entrance of MCR cathedral will be closed off from 1st nov i think he said, planters etc will form the temporary barriers until works in the immediate area (palatine buildings) is finished, with the road providing access only for work men etc (in talks with council for disable parking etc in futures here), and will facilitate the permanent closure of the street to public where from the new entrance of cheethams library, the road is permanently closed.

the demolition of the palatine buildings is expected to take place late next year and expected to take upto 18 months,

and the two buildings to be built on the exchange carpark will have under ground parking apparently should they go ahead

also a new building maybe built next to the cathedral visitor centre over the arches to form a new space and reconfiguration of the centre (but talks are in its infancy)

oh and the lease for the renaissance hotel is up later this year/ early spring - plans for this site been delayed for along time already but they are hoping the site will start redevelopment in about 5 years time(part of plans but in private ownership etc)

oh and the students at cheethams will move into the new building next september

Ah, central Manchester is expanding in all directions! I just wish 2025 or whatever it was would come round in a jiffy!

Sounds great Chase_me, thanks for the info!

18 months to demolish the Palatine Buildings though? Bit long...

Sounds great Chase_me, thanks for the info!

18 months to demolish the Palatine Buildings though? Bit long...

Np! And he explained It's because it's built on the medieval boundary wall and he said there might be archeological dig poss - and because it's so close to the other building

There's a lot of people in Manchester who call it Cheethams. Since its not called this, any reason why this caught on?

Maybe because it's at the bottom of Cheetham Hill :dunno:

I call it chethams but iPad auto changes it which annoys me to no end and I cba changing it - though I do hear ppl say cheethams though

I call it chethams but iPad auto changes it which annoys me to no end and I cba changing it - though I do hear ppl say cheethams though

It's spelt Chethams and pronounced Cheethams.

^^No its not. Since when? The students and teachers I've ever spoke to, heard on the train call it Chethams, precisely because its called Chethams. When shortened its not called 'Cheets' is it. Its called Chets.

It's either or, there's no right cheethams.

Chur hets is how it is pronounced by the majority. I have never heard it called cheetham.

Possibly as it is named after Humphrey Chetham and not a place meaning Dale village hill that has both Welsh/British and Angle roots, full of Portuguese Jewish architecture and sensory explosive Asian markets.

More the point where is cheetwood?

The real interesting ruins are under the cathedral, the core breast rock from where the city gets it's Mam(chester) from.

..... under the cathedral, the core breast rock from where the city gets it's Mam(chester) from.
No, that was at Castlefield at the confluence of the Irwell and Medlock, where the Roman fort was built.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castlefield

Chur hets is how it is pronounced by the majority. I have never heard it called cheetham.

Possibly as it is named after Humphrey Chetham and not a place meaning Dale village hill that has both Welsh/British and Angle roots, full of Portuguese Jewish architecture and sensory explosive Asian markets.

More the point where is cheetwood?

The real interesting ruins are under the cathedral, the core breast rock from where the city gets it's Mam(chester) from.

Not named after Humphrey Cheetham?

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Humphrey+Cheetham&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&redir_esc=&ei=Mu5sToi8HMfE8QPztogn#q=Humphrey+Cheetham&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivnso&source=lnms&tbm=bks&ei=Mu5sTs2CH4Gu8gPxg9AJ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=6&ved=0CBMQ_AUoBQ&prmdo=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=eb0d27fdf929f933&biw=1233&bih=641

^^No its not. Since when? The students and teachers I've ever spoke to, heard on the train call it Chethams, precisely because its called Chethams. When shortened its not called 'Cheets' is it. Its called Chets.

My girlfriend used to live and work there and pronounced it Cheethams, as did everyone else as I remember. Wikipedia has it as Cheethams too.

From the Chetham's Library website:

What is the correct pronunciation of Chetham's?
Humphrey Chetham used several different spellings of his name, signing himself on different occasions Chetham, Cheetham or even Cheatham. When he became High Sheriff of Manchester, it was standardised to Chetham, but how he may have pronounced this remains unclear, even to scholars. To compound the confusion, the School of Music have settled on the use of a short 'e', frequently shortening it to Chet's, while the Library tends to use a long 'e', as in the nearby district of Cheetham Hill. In short, we are unable to give a definitive pronunciation – please feel free to say it as you like!

Oops wrong thread.

Could possibly be related but over the last couple of weeks, there has been a team of Orange clad abseilers working on the bridges on the Salford side of Victoria. Also another team were having a good look at the iron girder bridge that sits at a lower level near the former Exchange station.

They are dismantling the buildings on the corner of Chapel St at the moment

They are dismantling the buildings on the corner of Chapel St at the moment

The corner of Chapel Street and Greengate?? Didn't realise that was going. The motherchuffers!

You mean these buildings? http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=chapel+street+salford&ll=53.485581,-2.246398&spn=0.000795,0.002411&client=safari&oe=UTF-8&hnear=Chapel+St,+Salford,+United+Kingdom&gl=uk&t=h&z=19&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=53.485517,-2.246531&panoid=I2jzG2UUG42YdnnVmmbhig&cbp=12,308.46,,0,-9.51

Those plus all of the arches on the other-side with the car park on top I think.

:ohno: I didn't realise they were going either. Looking at the various greengage master plans there've been though they were always doomed!

http://i52.tinypic.com/wguxpd.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2ztf37p.jpg

Has anyone seen the app for this demolition? Is it included in one of the original outline/masterplan applications? Hope they do an archeological survey.

Without reading through all the documents (or knowing how the application is structured) I can't be sure, but it doesn't seem to be mentioned, even in the specific part about the creation of the public realm on the site. http://publicaccess.salford.gov.uk/publicaccess/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=J6PX4BNP40000

I really feel this is a bad step - central Salford doesn't exactly have a excess of historic buildings in decent condition, and these two appear from the outside to be in a superb state. To replace them with what will for half the year be a windswept, empty space, surrounded by dull office buildings.. Crap. The buildings could easily have been reused to be the centre of the public space - a bar, cafe, whatever. Very unimaginative.

You mean these buildings? http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=chapel+street+salford&ll=53.485581,-2.246398&spn=0.000795,0.002411&client=safari&oe=UTF-8&hnear=Chapel+St,+Salford,+United+Kingdom&gl=uk&t=h&z=19&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=53.485517,-2.246531&panoid=I2jzG2UUG42YdnnVmmbhig&cbp=12,308.46,,0,-9.51

Yes, i am assuming they are being dismantled as they have scaffolding up and the steps round the back have already gone