Noooo there it is AGAIN! that bloody Castlefield Lava-lamp tower that does not and will not exist!

This is impressive.... did you do this yourself b4mmy?
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/manchester/eastgate_and_beetham-1.jpg

one of my guys... hey, what's up with the lava lamp! It's a perfectly good example of aspirational architecture! Look how big it could have been, and it was well before St Mary's Axe! :)

Here's an interesting angle:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/b4mmy/manchester/0DEF761098E911DAA421CF37542DD3F5.jpg

Taken from the same place as this I suspect...
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n81/originalscarletturkey/pano3.jpg

irwell if you want to know all them questions i really dont think you should be making a skyline render lol

that said, mancs could do with one, i mean theres over 50 talls greater than 60m that's approved, under construction, or proposed for mancs. Can you imagine fitting them all on one of them pics above, and the impact it will have for the skyline, it will be fenomenal, so one of u really needs to do one.

i tried doing one for leeds - it only has about 20 new talls over 60m u/c approved or proposed. here's my effort dont laugh : P

art wasnt my speciality

http://www.asuz39.dsl.pipex.com/skyleeds3.jpg

The only thing special about you are your needs little boy!

Id start with a High Res Image, if your going down the 2D route. The rest, well its just guessing.

Its a bit complicated going down the 3D route though, especially if you haven't any 3D experience. If it interests you, because I like you wondered how it was done a while back and wanted to do my own (I have one in the making by the way, but if you want to do one by all means go ahead) you need to check out/research the 3D modeling community on the internet. I'm fairly new to it myself, but I've gone leaps an bounds in just under a year.

I suppose University helps an all eh danny?:|


The only thing special about you are your needs little boy!

Slim, save it for the city bashing forums. Dont need it in here!

On the skyline front. Maybe one of you could employ Van Heckler to give it ago, his work is rather good!

Oh and its Sim :)

Mod alert! Clear the area!

http://www.harrythecat.com/graphics/b/siren4.gif

Can we just please stop bitching at each other. This Manchester forum is nearly dead because people are sick of coming over and getting ball ache, and some people who are already here are sick of reading it. I reckon there have been about 20 odd posts in here all day and thats rubbish. Stop it, please.

:)

Mod alert! Clear the area!

http://www.harrythecat.com/graphics/b/siren4.gif

What happened to my flashing light? (took me ages to find the most appropriate one)

Your right B4mmy. However, theres still a hardcore who will keep this forum going. Hopefully the others will return one day? :)

There are too few jerb... there are half a dozen hardcore posters, and forumers from other areas disappear sharpish after being told to fuck off, and quite rightly.

Outside opinion sparks debate and keeps things lively, why shut them down just because they are from Buxton or somewhere...

There are loads of things happening in Manchester at the minute, and Architecture Week proves it, but look at the apathy that thread has received. It's embarrassing frankly.

I used to love coming in here, but the comments have become so acidic, its humiliating. Manchester is an open and commercially successful city, but the way it is represented in here you'd think it was behind the Iron Curtain in 1960.

Can we just please stop bitching at each other. This Manchester forum is nearly dead because people are sick of coming over and getting ball ache, and some people who are already here are sick of reading it. I reckon there have been about 20 odd posts in here all day and thats rubbish. Stop it, please.

:)

There was a decent discussion going on, just for some prat to come in an spoil it like. I have a special place for being a prat, in Sankeys Friday-Saturday night reaching for the lazers on 5 or 6 mitzi's! It's not on someone else's SSC 'regional' forum! Get tough on the fuckers! :D

There was a decent discussion going on, just for some prat to come in an spoil it like. I have a special place for being a prat, its in Sankeys Friday-Saturday night reaching for the lazers on 5 or 6 mitzi's! It's not on someone else's SSC 'regional' forum! Get tough on the fuckers! :D

It's your forum as much as anyone elses, and like I said a while ago without the people who post in here it is nothing. Anyway, don't take it personally... there are others as well who seem to have got into the habit of shutting people down.

All I think WE should do is have the decency to be courteous to people who visit the Manchester forum, and let them leave knowing that they were welcome.

There are loads of things happening in Manchester at the minute, and Architecture Week proves it, but look at the apathy that thread has received. It's embarrassing frankly.


I often wonder if some people actually like architecture. I'm often surprised at the levels of 'ignorance'.
There was in fact a debate in the skybar recently (cant remember what it wa about) and very prolific poster (not from mcr i may add) admitted that they 'hated architecture'.
It was bizarre.
Anyway.......about this future skyline
.....doesnt some interloper start a thread like this every so often and i usually say something patronising and sarcastic and the thread just slips down the list?
I hope Irwell does do something - Dan did his brilliant thing last year but people want to see something but cant be bothered to do it themselves.
Personally i dont give a shit...i'll leave predicting the future to Arthur C Clarke.

It's your forum as much as anyone elses, and like I said a while ago without the people who post in here it is nothing. Anyway, don't take it personally... there are others as well who seem to have got into the habit of shutting people down.

All I think WE should do is have the decency to be courteous to people who visit the Manchester forum, and let them leave knowing that they were welcome.

As in. Thank you for posting. Now please go away?

To be honest B4mmy, the forums as a whole have improved over the last few months. However, theres always going to be one or two idiots. That's life.

The Manchester forum will bounce back. It just needs a very, very, tall firelighter. :wink2:

It's your forum as much as anyone elses, and like I said a while ago without the people who post in here it is nothing. Anyway, don't take it personally... there are others as well who seem to have got into the habit of shutting people down.

All I think WE should do is have the decency to be courteous to people who visit the Manchester forum, and let them leave knowing that they were welcome.

Its nothing personal dude, it just gets tiresome.

If people post garbage, the forums little else, whether the post count per day is a number above 20 or not. It needs to have some credit! I like a bit of banter (in fact I'm never away from it socially) but for someone to come in and slag off so starkly, to totally throw the subject in hand out of the window (like it has on this thread) well, I'm against that. That sort of discussion should stay in the city bashing threads. People like that shouldn't be welcome and should receive a swift clip round the ear. But thats my IMO.

You are boss :)

[QUOTE=Flogging Molly;13782514]Im starting to question if Wiggley is your birth child? Afterall he seems ot have an awful lot of praise for Manchester and an awful lot of hatred for Birmingham ... Just like you!

Pardon more bitchiness but i genuinely have never met an individual (bar the residents) who has had anything positive to say about Birmingham. Its a city becoming fast forgotten about. An annoying blot on the landscape irritating the national population as they move from north to south and south to north.

I often wonder if some people actually like architecture. I'm often surprised at the levels of 'ignorance'.
There was in fact a debate in the skybar recently (cant remember what it wa about) and very prolific poster (not from mcr i may add) admitted that they 'hated architecture'.
It was bizarre.
Anyway.......about this future skyline
.....doesnt some interloper start a thread like this every so often and i usually say something patronising and sarcastic and the thread just slips down the list?
I hope Irwell does do something - Dan did his brilliant thing last year but people want to see something but cant be bothered to do it themselves.
Personally i dont give a shit...i'll leave predicting the future to Arthur C Clarke.
You have many fans. I'm one of them. Your wit clearly fly's over the heads of many, but you get through in the end.

As in. Thank you for posting. Now please go away?
No, as in ...fuck off, you don't know fuck all about Manchester and you're not welcome so fuck off. You know... that kind of thing.

You are boss
In here I work for you ok! If there are shitty posts, just give me some time to edit or delete them.

Perhaps we should change the title of this thread to something more original?

Like........ Manchester's Forum On Life Support.

PS. Manc Guy! Get this thread back on track and post your overdue(another hint) and eagerly awaited render will you. You could also give us some tips aswell.(espcially Irwell) Btw. You can't hide forever you know. :)

Perhaps we should change the title of this thread to something more original?

Like........ Manchester's Forum On Life Support.

PS. Manc Guy! Get this thread back on track and post your overdue(another hint) and eagerly awaited render will you. You could also give us some tips aswell.(espcially Irwell) Btw. You can't hide forever you know. :)

He's too busy taking drugs and listening to bangin dance music (and probably shagging sweaty birds aswell). Leave him alone.

Got it. Back to topic.

http://www.renderworkshop.com/images3/render_workshop_text1.gif

I wouldn't mind a few lessons.

here is some i made earlier. notice the distict lack of tips.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/render23annotation.jpg?t=1182118722

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/skylinenew.jpg?t=1182118804

core and me

He's too busy taking drugs and listening to bangin dance music (and probably shagging sweaty birds aswell). Leave him alone.

Never stopped Manc Guy before. Especially when he was working for
B4mmy. :lol:

Manc Guy promised me. :banana: An elephant never forgets.

Nope. Not finished! I do have time over summer though ;)

He's too busy taking drugs and listening to bangin dance music (and probably shagging sweaty birds aswell). Leave him alone.

Affirmative!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/withoutburj.jpg?t=1182118907

Kids. You should take it up for a living.

Thank you!

Now for my next joke.

Nope. Not finished! I do have time over summer though ;)

That's good enough for me Manc Guy. Don't mind if I pop round tomorrw and collect my bugging devices do you?

Kids. You should take it up for a living.

Thank you!

Now for my next joke.

If i did one now you'd think it were a b4mmy. Serious.

Unfortunately, i don't give a shit what manchester looks like from hartshead pike anymore.

Kids. You should take it up for a living.

Thank you!

Now for my next joke.

BTW. Only joking Kids. Great work. :)

:lol:

If i did one now you'd think it were a b4mmy. Serious.

Unfortunately, i don't give a shit what manchester looks like from hartshead pike anymore.

Of course you do. Your just going through an emotional peroid of your life.

Pretty much.

I go away to rig up 200 blimps on the skyline and look what happens to my thread!

woohoo, nice pics kid

but all them new towers look awfully grey lol .

irwell are you still makin urs?

If your interested in Manchester's future skyline heres one I did a long time ago. Old skooling it in Sketchup. My god it looks awful to my eyes now, I thought I was the dogs bollocks doing stuff like this once upon a time.. It will be out of date, but it gives you a general idea. I cant begin to imagine the amount of 20+ story towers missing from that render, plus numereous others like sharp street.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/Corris_/manchesterRender.jpg

Heres a video link...

http://s31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/Corris_/?action=view&current=ModelMovie010606.flv

Dont be hard on yourself Dan - i fucking love that model.
I really like the feel of it and especially love Piccadilly Plaza.
I'd forgotten how good it was. Lets hope all this drug taking doesnt take the edge of your talent! :shifty:

Pardon more bitchiness but i genuinely have never met an individual (bar the residents) who has had anything positive to say about Birmingham. Its a city becoming fast forgotten about. An annoying blot on the landscape irritating the national population as they move from north to south and south to north.

And you question why we get pissed off? fucking ridiculous!

KITR - not bad renders

Dont be hard on yourself Dan - i fucking love that model.
I really like the feel of it and especially love Piccadilly Plaza.
I'd forgotten how good it was. Lets hope all this drug taking doesnt take the edge of your talent! :shifty:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/Corris_/Gardens.jpg

Thanks. I actually lost that model unfortunately, but got into using another app to create another, to scale, better one. I've become a bit of a perfectionist of late, so I've decided to take my time on the newer one. I'd hate to post a shots where buildings are solid massings, I love adding detail in my models and it wouldn't feel right to post images that didn't have that anymore.

Here's a pic that someone could turn into a future skyline pic, i fink it might be a good view!!http://k43.pbase.com/u40/u03mlr/large/26283165.IMG_89731.jpg

OK. i've decided to do something useful with my spare time, and i'm going to try a full, photorealistic skyline render. But! i need suggestions of viewpoints to use any ideas or maybe some pics to use?

tonight is the night. i have to stay up to re-adjust. So i will work on this all tonight. to give myself something to do. I have chosen this image to work on:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/175/416421884_9c43414d24_o.jpg

but i am making a model in 3ds max so really i'll be able to transfer it onto any image if i know exactly where it was taken from and quite easily too. So I'm taking requests for that. wish me luck.

tonight is the night. i have to stay up to re-adjust. So i will work on this all tonight. to give myself something to do. I have chosen this image to work on:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/175/416421884_9c43414d24_o.jpg

but i am making a model in 3ds max so really i'll be able to transfer it onto any image if i know exactly where it was taken from and quite easily too. So I'm taking requests for that. wish me luck.

ooh, let me know if you want some buildings done. i rate myself at 3ds max :)

pm me...

p.s. that's a really cool photo.

nice one, i'll be in touch :)

That's an apocalyptic choice of source photo. Perhaps a little crimson could be added to the sky.

news kids??

been twiddling with 3d studio max myself a bit lately.

hmm, kinda, had a few issues..realising that it's extremely impossible to do graphicy stuff on a laptop without a mouse ;) though christmas brought me the correct hardware and i've made scale models of eastgate, owen street towers and gravity.

you can do some if you like. heck what am i talking about do as many as you like! maybe chapel wharf towers (the layout of this scheme boggles me), fresh and the other salford ones? i'm talking dead basic like, just accurate in form..but no textures or out.

tonight is the night. i have to stay up to re-adjust. So i will work on this all tonight. to give myself something to do. I have chosen this image to work on:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/175/416421884_9c43414d24_o.jpg

but i am making a model in 3ds max so really i'll be able to transfer it onto any image if i know exactly where it was taken from and quite easily too. So I'm taking requests for that. wish me luck.

that is a very cool video.

hmm, kinda, had a few issues..realising that it's extremely impossible to do graphicy stuff on a laptop without a mouse ;) though christmas brought me the correct hardware and i've made scale models of eastgate, owen street towers and gravity.

you can do some if you like. heck what am i talking about do as many as you like! maybe chapel wharf towers (the layout of this scheme boggles me), fresh and the other salford ones? i'm talking dead basic like, just accurate in form..but no textures or out.

sweet. yeah i will, i know those ones well enough. can you send me one model (put it in a zip, give me a link?) so i can see what detail you're working to? also scale. textures? pm me if you have any thoughts.

i am just making the models at full scale in metres. they're very accurate in form as i'm working from the drawings but there's no detail at all. I figured on an image like that at least it won't matter too much.

deffo, i'll send you one in the morning. need to grab them from my windows boot. :)

sounds good, kids. you linux user :nuts:

I did not really think anything of Manchesters skyline, however with these future skyline renders Manchester will look great. I dont see why people are saying Manchester is falling behind, I dont think it is.

I did not really think anything of Manchesters skyline, however with these future skyline renders Manchester will look great. I dont see why people are saying Manchester is falling behind, I dont think it is.

people say this all the time. i believe it is just more dispersed, rather than centred like birimingham's is round new street station. in fact i'd go further and say that many people have only seen a fraction of manchester's skyline because you have to go out of your way to see it (like i did here).

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/872ManchestercitycentreviewedfromtheNorth_pic1.jpg

The spread of the city centre sure doesn't help to create a skyline. For example, look how small the Arndale Tower appears on that photo. Even Beetham seems very small. From the opposite side the skyline appears to be Beetham and almost nothing else.

so true

First go using a model, they should get better as i add more detail.

http://i26.tinypic.com/zl3z9h.jpg

(everything 65m + with a likelyhood of getting building - i.e. application submitted)

Good stuff kids. What is that in the foreground?

Cheers. That's Alsop's Adelphi street tower.

Anyone got any suggestions for the next view i do?

looking good, kids. how about doing the view in the pic i posted, above ^^

Yeh alright, can you show us exactly where you took it?

http://www.pininthemap.com/

Yeh alright, can you show us exactly where you took it?

http://www.pininthemap.com/

cool website.

http://www.pininthemap.com/454d6f162920f7820
^^there are no features for that area but that's approximately the location

Ta fella, in a bit! :wave:

First go using a model, they should get better as i add more detail.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2210/2271655825_1f2d9e9990_b.jpg

(everything 65m + with a likelyhood of getting building - i.e. application submitted)

At last. We have our first future skyline render in months if not years. Great work kids. Your a star. (I was getting bored and slightly jealous of all those future Birmingham, Liverpool skyline renders.

:applause:

PS. Kids any chance you can do anything with this beaut. 2 sizes. There's no rush. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/jhnc.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/1991079373_6f9b8d32a8_o.jpg

Cant wait for this!
:banana:

Kids. Not pickking holes. Think it's great. Can't see No1. Should be next to CJC. And the Manchester (next to CJC) looks on the small size. (28 stories I think)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2210/2271655825_1f2d9e9990_b.jpg

I love that picture, jrb. You can't get a more Manchester sky than that.

Looking forward to seeing this!
:banana:

Kids. Not pickking holes. Think it's great. Can't see No1. Should be next to CJC. And the Manchester (next to CJC) looks on the small size. (28 stories I think)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2210/2271655825_1f2d9e9990_b.jpg

I decided not to include No. 1 as its still in the pre-planning stage. This is a realistic projection of the next five years or so.

The manchester is 82m according to ssn.

I'm working on comdot's view as we speak. (it seems btw that piccadilly tower is off shot on that, but it looks good non-the-less.) I'll get round to yours jrb soon - but i need to know where it was taken so i can set up the cameras!! :)

Fair enough Kids. Great work that man. :)

remember that computer model of manchester that Arup have.
work is on going getting it upto date with all future proposals.
that will go public in under a month.

Hey! That was my idea!

Hey! That was my idea!

Kids. Cheeky request. Any chance you can add all the proposed towers we know about but haven't received planning yet. (No1, Bruntwood, Sharp Street, etc, etc. Anyone think of any others?) Just to see what it could look like. I've saved your original Masterpiece) :)

Here's a Random Manc future skyline I just did

Only featuring Existing and Approved Towers.

No Proposals. No Visions.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/762/38354688tj5.jpg

Shaded from Left to right: Vivo (4 buildings - tallest 150m), Beetham (169m), Chapel Wharf (125m), Canopus (165m & 111m), Albany Crown (144m [undergoing redesign & height increase]), Piccadilly (188m)

Also, just missing out to the right of the screen is Gravity (116m)

nice one, choggers. that looks quality. just look at the exising towers in comparison to the new. Its barely recognisable.

They'll positively impose (well, most will) on streetscapes at locations all over the city centre. It'll be ace.

Thanks again, Chogmook.

That looks brilliant chogmook. Are we really gonna have a skyline like that in a few years? WoW! I've not been online for quite some time so not been able to keep up with all this, until now. I love this thread, can't wait to see these built.


PS. I've missed you guys

Thanks Chog! lovely

Cheers peeps, don't forget to thank Jerb for finding the pic yesterday!!

Good to have you back Roly, we've missed ya too!

Good to see you back round these parts Roly.

It's good to see how the ring of skyscrapers will really impact on our city. I much prefer the idea of this to one single cluster. Cheers Chogmook.

Agreed, it looks good spread out, from a distance and from the right angle it should look pretty cool but I would like to see something BIG, way above all the rest, just to set it off and make it really stand out from other skylines in the uk.

Hiya Kev! Are you gonna stay around for a while :)

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/762/38354688tj5.jpg

That looks great Choogers :applause:

Great to see you back Roly :)

Yes. Unfortunately Bammy, my broadband won't be on for another 10 days or so, so at the moment I'm taking advantage of the free DIAL UP they so kindly offered me until then. I probably won't be around too much till then as it's painfully slow on this little 56k modem. But I'll do my best.

Played with Chogs design a bit.

I've added the Whitworth st tower, 1 Hardman sq, Manchester House, Fresh and Victoria Station tower for fun :D

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2415/2279234901_86b9d20311_o.jpg

Played with Chogs design a bit.

I've added the Whitworth st tower, 1 Hardman sq, Manchester House, Fresh and Victoria Station tower for fun :D

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/762/38354688tj5.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2415/2279234901_86b9d20311_o.jpg

Summing-up.

Great work Chogs. (you dark horse) Same as Mez. Nice to see you around Roly.

We needed some new future skyline renders. Not been any for a long, long time. Great effort all around. :)

Ok, here's my effort from Salford Quays

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2242/2279883807_564fbfb210_o.jpg

pretty impressive! in that last picture you can almost see a cone shape appearing with the towers!! all we need now is a big one plopped in the middle and its sorted a standard skyline! although i did prefer the idea of mini clusters!

can anyone do a moch skyline from the tram staff stops on the bury line? ya no just behind the green quarter. i think the city looks pretty impressive from that angle and there were a few pictures of it dotted around this forum??

Great renders guys. Think in 10 years the skyline might be like that and you'll be filling in the gaps... :cheers:

Nice one, you guys are gonna have a great skyline.

mez, would owen street/ vivo fit on the right hand side of your skyline pic?

I think i've saved a jpg of vivo at night. I'll have a tinker.

Can you put Chapel Wharf on it too?!

I don't think it correctly located to be honest. I tried to make sure Picc tower was visable :S.

Oh, added Chapel Wharf and a possible Central Spine too.

***See below***

Great minds Chog. :D

Mez. Great work. Any chance you can put warning lights on all of the towers. That's how it's going to be. Thanks.

anyone want to add Media City ;)

oh... wouldnt fit would it.

Can you imagine this in the north of England. :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3065/2281362463_b2fdd34405_o.jpg

i can't even imagine beetham tower in the north of england! ;)

p.s. i really like that skyline pic mez because my house is right in the middle :D

Is that a cluster? :)

The council should start the ball rolling with more advertising for/transport to the quays.

In ten years, the view people will get coming back should pleasantly suprise them! :D

^ some of those buildings look a bit too tall. and the perspective is very funny

I'm no expert at Photoshop, but I think it gives a nice representation of what we can expect.

Nice work chaps.

Here's comdot's pic:

http://i29.tinypic.com/jt2ded.jpg

Apologies for the random blur effect.

I'll do yours jrb, maybe with all the other buildings, but i do need to know where it was taken from, you can tell me!

If manmed approves, i think this'd make for an awesome view:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/343/1panofi1.jpg

There not mine Kids. I took them from Flickr. I'll contact the photographer and ask them where they took the picture from. Kids what about this beaut. It already has VIVO and Beetham on it. Or these ooher two from Flickr.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/OwenEnv4-6.jpg

Or this.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1438/561246165_83966983a4_b.jpg

http://l.yimg.com/www.flickr.com/images/spaceball.gif

My fav skyline shot/vantage point. Taken from the multi storey car park close to the bridge and MU. (can't remember the bloody name of it).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/XX-1.jpg

Nice work chaps.

Here's comdot's pic:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2398/2284933152_2b92b54143_o.jpg

Apologies for the random blur effect.

hey nice pic, one point just to be picky. canopus looks too tall. tempus tower is 20 floors and is dwaft even by the smaller tower of the two which is 30 something floors and it will stand across the rive from it?.

the skyline will deffinately look impressive from that angle though!! it already does now without these great towers!

I'll do yours jrb, maybe with all the other buildings, but i do need to know where it was taken from, you can tell me!

If manmed approves, i think this'd make for an awesome view:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/343/1panofi1.jpg


Help yourself Kids :cheers:

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1820/smallskykp0.png

Look a dat! Belting job there..

Really emphasises that the skyline needs a good few 100-120m talls to be midrises in between the biggies and to relate the talls to the streetscape a bit more, so we have a less jagged skyline. Having said that from this angle we have a strong cluster with Canopus, Alabany and Eastgate and the in-betweenies

I love that pic posted by Chogmook. Reminds me of Salt Lake City. A huge urban mass in the middle of nowhere

Man Med i had a go with one of your pics hope you dont mind?

Vivo (very basic), Beetham, 1 hardman (rough idea), picc tower, canopus, gravit/zacc tower and west's sharp street.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa68/123manclass/wertwqe.jpg

Does anyone know what it will look like and can include future developments.

It can include future developments? Surely if you're asking about the future Manchester skyline, it will have to include future developments??? ;)

Hmm - here are a few;


http://i33.tinypic.com/2mye0qs.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/6hm0wl.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/fu6jpd.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/x206li.jpg

:)

2005...hmm.

Already a thread:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=487129&page=7

Just saw the other Future Skyline thread, my.. the things we used to get excited about hey? :( Does make you wonder though how the skyline may turn out mind, especially given the sheer number of proposals we had at the time.

I have come to the conclusion that manchester should concentrate on promoting the idea of 2 or more clusters of tall buildings. preferebly around deansgate/ southern gateway, in the piccadilly type area.

clusterisation gives a much more cohesive and elegant skyline in my view.

I have come to the conclusion that manchester should concentrate on promoting the idea of 2 or more clusters of tall buildings. preferebly around deansgate/ southern gateway, in the piccadilly type area.

clusterisation gives a much more cohesive and elegant skyline in my view.

Nonesense. Manchester is a sprawling jumblesale of a city. It's nver going to be elegant, and nor should it try to be.

I have come to the conclusion that manchester should concentrate on promoting the idea of 2 or more clusters of tall buildings. preferebly around deansgate/ southern gateway, in the piccadilly type area.

clusterisation gives a much more cohesive and elegant skyline in my view.

hahahaha

I have come to the conclusion that manchester should concentrate on promoting the idea of 2 or more clusters of tall buildings. preferebly around deansgate/ southern gateway, in the piccadilly type area.

clusterisation gives a much more cohesive and elegant skyline in my view.

I agree with you, and I don't understand why people are laughing at it. Yes Manchester has been a "jumblesale" of a city, but thats no reason why it's high-rise element should stay that way.

i laughed because it is a silly idea

manchester will never be and should never be 'elegant'

I have come to the conclusion that manchester should concentrate on promoting the idea of 2 or more clusters of tall buildings. preferebly around deansgate/ southern gateway, in the piccadilly type area.

clusterisation gives a much more cohesive and elegant skyline in my view.

I absolutely agree, but don't make the mistake of trying to encourage any meaningful discourse with other ssc members. It doesn't work. All you'll ever get is other less informed people telling you're talking bollocks. :bash:

i laughed because it is a silly idea

manchester will never be and should never be 'elegant'

I'm not so sure. In an attempt to encourage meaningful discourse with other ssc members....... do you not think The Avenue for example will have elegance as one of it's component parts? And would this be a bad thing?

sorry maybe i should have been more specific

on a ground level there are parts of manchester that i would class as elegant, and more of these are more than welcome

'future architect' was speaking from a skyline perspective

i think that organic cities like manchester (and most other british cities) should not worry about their skyline looking elegant as it is the jumble look that makes them unique and appealing in their own way

True. Leave grids and neat blocks to other cities!

i think that organic cities like manchester (and most other british cities) should not worry about their skyline looking elegant as it is the jumble look that makes them unique and appealing in their own way

To be honest we don't really have a planning system that would allow us be so prescriptive in our skyline. MCC (or SCC) would never attempt to block any tall building because it won't look nice if you take a photo of the city from Oldham.

Sometimes you should just accept there are some limitations on what you can achieve and make a positive feature of it.

EDIT: I should ask in this post since I've always wondered but never bothered to ask. You guys who care about skylines; why? I get why people like tall buildings because they're one of the most impressive forms of structure. I understand why people care about quality of architectural detail because it adds to the urban environment as you walk about in it. I definately understand why people care about urban planning, because it's the medium within which we go about our lives and it can enhance or impede them. But why do some people care that if you're standing very far away a line of buildings on the horizon looks tidy? I really don't understand.

sorry maybe i should have been more specific

on a ground level there are parts of manchester that i would class as elegant, and more of these are more than welcome

'future architect' was speaking from a skyline perspective

i think that organic cities like manchester (and most other british cities) should not worry about their skyline looking elegant as it is the jumble look that makes them unique and appealing in their own way

He was only saying the skyline would look better if there were a couple of clusters of two or three buildings together and he's right, it would look better, rather that than the jumbled mish-mash, however 'unique' people may think it is. Anyway Future Architect just uses words like elegant instead of top or the dogs bollocks as that's not his style.

He was only saying the skyline would look better if there were a couple of clusters of two or three buildings together and he's right,


glad someone agrees with me roly and yorkshireboy
no one can disagree that tall buildings looks better when they have a few friends round them.

True. Leave grids and neat blocks to other cities!
i never suggested rebuilding manchester with a grid pattern.

i laughed because it is a silly idea

manchester will never be and should never be 'elegant'
i dissagree. manchester already has lots of attractive old and new buildings. who knows what the future holds?

I never really understood why such a logical and well thought out suggestion by future.architect was met with such immediate ridicule, perhaps because people on here are constantly vying to argue about everything trivial...

I think it's perhaps a sign of age (not saying it is immaturity) but I think (in most cases) it is a mentality issue. When you first become enthused with something like highrises and skyscrapers, its all about size and quantity. You'd quite happily see a small, crumbly cottage razed for the sake of a 1000ft proposal, yet (I speak about myself here) I've come to realise with age (and my degree) that that same crumbly cottage can be just as inspiring as the new - and I'm by no means a conservationalist!! :|

Manchester is the origins of the Industrial city and it's fundamental that all aspects of its heritage and history are prevalent in the modern city. To have a dynamic city is to have a bit of everything and what I love about Manchester is how distinct they are without being at odds. You've the canals and Castlefield, the Northern Quarter, Chinatown, Canal st etc etc and they all attract and entertain different people.

Skyscrapers aren't necessarily befitting to all of these designated districts and perhaps now most proposals are dead in the water it will create a better sense of urban planning and some more cohesive designs. We've got potential for a cluster by Beetham, I've nothing against starting a new cluster (or clusters) either. For me I'd always loved the idea of seeing more high-rises around City tower etc, it seems a pity that there's only the one 100m+ there because the other office blocks (whilst making no difference on the skyline) are prominant when at street level and give that true City-vibe to them.

I realise I've typed a lot without saying much other than lay off Future.Architect! :| :D and that I er... would like a cluster

Skyscrapers aren't necessarily befitting to all of these designated districts and perhaps now most proposals are dead in the water it will create a better sense of urban planning and some more cohesive designs. We've got potential for a cluster by Beetham, I've nothing against starting a new cluster (or clusters) either. For me I'd always loved the idea of seeing more high-rises around City tower etc, it seems a pity that there's only the one 100m+ there because the other office blocks (whilst making no difference on the skyline) are prominant when at street level and give that true City-vibe to them.

I realise I've typed a lot without saying much other than lay off Future.Architect! :| :D and that I er... would like a cluster

I can't speak for anybody else, but I've no problem with F.As point of view (and certainly didn't intend to ridicule it); I just don't see the value of a 'cohesive skyline'. Is it a purely subjective aesthetic judgement, or is there something more that I'm not getting?

What I don't get about the idea of clustering is that a tall building being fitting at street level (which is clearly important) doesn't bear any relationship to how something looks on the skyline. Hong Kong looks great from Kowloon, but it's a pain in the arse to walk around, while the most interesting Manhattan streetscapes lie in the valley between the two clusters. So I'd never advocate a skyscraper for Canal Street because it would ruin the experience of being on that street, but I wouldn't object to one near Victoriain Salford becuase it didn't add to a pre-existing grouping.

I think you may have a point about it being a mentality issue though, although perhaps not in the way you suggest. Some people like things to be very ordered, to make sense, to fit together a certain way and to follow consistent principles. Others are more happy to be confronted by the unexpected and the chaotic, to let nature take its course and see what happens. As a general rule one isn't better than the other, but it is easy to forget how much of our own perspective we bring to any judgement.

What would the skyline look like in the future?

Especially in 2012?

Already a thread maybe? :dunno:

Edit:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=487129&page=7

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Already a thread maybe? :dunno:

Edit:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=487129&page=7

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Why the obsession against new threads?

Nothing against new threads per se, surely its better to continue existing threads rather than create 10 new ones, no? Just takes a bit of time to find them.

Maybe some new threads are better off in the 'Exchange Square' section?

Just my opinion anyway.

I agree. Too many pointless threads clutter the place up.