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kids
August 14th, 2005, 02:54 PM
Seen as our old thread doesn't look like it's coming back i'll start a new one.

Here's my latest renders, credit to the photographers:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/withoutburj.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/withburj.jpg

new one:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/aerialllll.jpg

Mez
August 14th, 2005, 03:44 PM
Nice one KITR. What are the far right two on the last pic?

kids
August 14th, 2005, 03:50 PM
skyline central (right of cis) a bit tall, tempus tower (left of cis) and the other two are the greengate towers.

kids
August 14th, 2005, 03:52 PM
didn't you do some renders mez? from what i remeber they were quality.

Mez
August 14th, 2005, 04:46 PM
There have been some class renders on here but unfortuantely, none by me

alas,

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/mezmail/ttttt.jpg

This shall be my first and last render

Mez
August 14th, 2005, 04:48 PM
Skyline and Tempus are gonna look great and hopefully make it easier for more towers to grow around that area. Exponential growth hopefully.

kids
August 14th, 2005, 05:00 PM
There have been some class renders on here but unfortuantely, none by me

alas,

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/mezmail/ttttt.jpg

This shall be my first and last render

:lol:

looks promising!

caw, post your massing renders.

caw123
August 14th, 2005, 05:11 PM
Seen as our old thread doesn't look like it's coming back i'll start a new one.
\

It will be coming back!


Ack, heres a few of mine.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/caw123/beetrender2.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/mancfromsalford2.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P6230038222copy.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/3216/490afutureskyline.jpg

Getting old now, and shit
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/3216/490skylinerender6_bmp.jpg

The City Councils plans to redevelop Piccadilly Gardens again :crazy:
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/3216/490urbanizeit_psd.jpg

Long before Eastgate came about
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/3216/490skylinerendercholrton2.jpg

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/3216/490renderparkway_psd_psd.jpg

Made that one out of this image: :yes:
http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ewm/001ewm/lg/ManHoughEndCCViewDaffs.jpg

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/3216/490renderingpenninefinal_bmp.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/3216/490smallversionmancrender2_bmp.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/3216/490render4new2_bmp.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/709/490skylineairport_bmp.jpg

Getting back to 2003
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/709/490render5_bmp.jpg

My first skyline render, what shit. :laugh:
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/709/490render_bmp.jpg

kids
August 14th, 2005, 05:21 PM
It will be coming back!

that's been said many-a-time.

The City Councils plans to redevelop Piccadilly Gardens again

if only! it would be heavenly if they did that.

well, that's a good collection caw, your best are the mrees one, and the beetham and gn one. UPDATE THEM!!!!

kids
August 14th, 2005, 05:25 PM
also, the chapel wharf, beetham and hs is quality, you should put texture on it.

Gavin
August 14th, 2005, 07:10 PM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/aerialllll.jpg

Interesting one this. It gives an impression of the 'ring of skyscrapers' we are building. If it covered more to the left too wwe would also see the Mac Mills and Southern Gateway. Most of our new towers are close to the inner ring road (as are most of the old ones too) which is nop coincidence. Over time, if this pattern were too continue we would have a city with a victorian core completely surrounded by much larger skyscrapers in every direction. I think that would be quite cool.

ferge
August 14th, 2005, 09:44 PM
Not only cool, but also unique??? Its kind of rejects a city core.. maybe that would be superb come to think.. From a distance, Manchester would be teaming with skyscrapers over a wide area giving awesome connotations.. when the new visitors get close, they find a city with streets of intact Victorian architecture and streetscapes, without overpowering and looming glass towers.. could work a treat :D

Also, those two massing renders showing Chapel Wharf (one with City and Eastgate etc, other with Hardman) are superb, Sunley fits in brilliantly with the towers, its very exciting times.. build build build!!

Mez
August 14th, 2005, 10:40 PM
It'd be top. Maybe being punned, the 'ring-piece' of the uk would take the shine off it though.
Seriously though, the centre hasnt enough Victorian/great architecture. We've got loads a tripe like Elizabeth house, Television house, dare I bring it up again;Jarvis Hotel. etc.
Perhaps a few Guadi Cathedral stylee replacements could do the trick.

Andrew
August 15th, 2005, 08:21 AM
WOW, I love this one:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/mancfromsalford2.jpg

They cluster brilliantly in that view, will make an awesome skyline, it'd be great if it's possible to do this render in detail! I also love the idea of a ring of towers around a Victorian city centre. It'd be great to go up the towers and look down on the old centre.

man med
August 21st, 2005, 11:08 PM
bit of an old pic now.. from the new middlewood locks site

http://middlewoodlocks.co.uk

http://middlewoodlocks.co.uk/source/sitepan.jpg

man med
August 21st, 2005, 11:12 PM
oops posted in t wrong place.. sorry fellas

uk2012
August 27th, 2005, 08:13 AM
What is that realy tall building in the second render??? It looks like a vission

oscar9
August 27th, 2005, 10:33 AM
What is that realy tall building in the second render??? It looks like a vission
Its the 1km tall tower that Manchester has been keeping a secret. Groundwork has started!

Manc Guy
August 27th, 2005, 08:37 PM
Isnt that eastgate? Yes it is...render 2, rederoid 1

oscar9
August 27th, 2005, 09:41 PM
Think uk 2012 is actually refering to the second render at the top of the page. That really tall building he,s refering to is the burj dubai.

Manc Guy
August 28th, 2005, 12:39 AM
Lol oh that 2nd render...Thought everybody knew that building...guess not....

Sir Miles Platting
August 28th, 2005, 12:52 AM
WOW, I love this one:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/mancfromsalford2.jpg

They cluster brilliantly in that view, will make an awesome skyline, it'd be great if it's possible to do this render in detail! I also love the idea of a ring of towers around a Victorian city centre. It'd be great to go up the towers and look down on the old centre.
After some fine-tuning this pic should be posted on the 'best future skyline' thread. I would do it but I'm too busy :)

Sir Miles Platting
August 28th, 2005, 12:55 AM
Oh, maybe not as it doesn't include the CIS....

caw123
August 28th, 2005, 12:18 PM
I've already posted it there, ages ago. I would add textures but they often make the render look shitter, and I also can't be arsed to.

kids
August 29th, 2005, 04:35 PM
ere we go:

scroll>

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/beethamrendergood.jpg

density:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/dense.jpg

as you can see from this view, beetham won't be lonely with 2-4 chester road, chester rd tower, crowngate and the picadilly towers in the background keeping it company. It will make a dense cluster.

point out my mistakes, i will edit it!

caw123
August 29th, 2005, 06:30 PM
Great effort mate. Though personally, I think it looks better if you merely use outlines rather than facades chopped off various renderings, it looks a bit messy IMO.

point out my mistakes, i will edit it!

Alright. Hardman Square is too far left. Remember it will be going on top of Quay House which is just down the street from Sunlight House. From this view I think it would half-block the Arndale. 3 Hardman Square would also be visible at 49m high.

Rather than directly behind Citygate, 2-4 Chester Road would be just left of it.

Chester Road tower is a tad too tall.

Eastgate would be almost side-on from this view.

kids
August 29th, 2005, 06:36 PM
right, cheers i'll edit it.

kids
August 29th, 2005, 08:35 PM
right-e-o:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/Ultimaterender.jpg

hows about that for a render.

Jongeman
August 29th, 2005, 09:15 PM
Fantastic....thanks for that

Manc Guy
August 30th, 2005, 12:43 AM
Looks top! Thats a skyline to be excited about!...Thank you...Im all happy and giddy now *tee hee*...Us mancs are most defiantely kicking arse atm...

How about some Text to point out the relevant proposed buildings with heights and names, just to top it off?

kids
August 30th, 2005, 12:58 AM
/\ aye, i was thinking of doin' that, i think i will :D

cottonopolis
September 5th, 2005, 09:36 PM
Thanks to ManchesterBaby for the amazing pano

Tried adding Beetham, GN, Crown, Sarah tower and Eastgate - for some reason the pic goes all grainy on upload...
Having trouble working out where the spinny developments will pop up..

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/cottonopolis/manchesterpanoramasm3.jpg

kids
September 5th, 2005, 10:25 PM
way hey! looks good.

Right, 1hms would be about 2 cm to the right of beetham behind GN tower, there's also chapel wharf (just to the left of the town hall, where you can see the tip of the edge) and the 2 greengate towers (between arndale and north tower)

highriser
September 5th, 2005, 10:59 PM
Good work Cottonopolis , that looks fantastic

Gavin
September 5th, 2005, 10:59 PM
Surely 1hs would be much further to the right cos if you continued down oxford road it would be on the right hand side of that

andyains
September 5th, 2005, 11:32 PM
Let us not forget the images of quality that Manchesteronline gave us

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ContentResources/713.$plit/C_17_Articles_139799_BodyWeb_Detail_0_Image.jpg

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ContentResources/739.$plit/C_17_Articles_139799_BodyWeb_Detail_1_Image.jpg

highriser
September 5th, 2005, 11:36 PM
Now now andy theres no need to take the piss :laugh:

Which of our proposed/approved towers does everyone think will start first?

My money's on Eastgate

Mez
September 6th, 2005, 02:18 AM
Ta cottonopolis!

I reckon Eastgate. Is it possible that 'Albany' wont get things going untill (as small as it is), Auburn st is fully widened again and thus untill PP is semi finished?

Anyways, someone get 1HS, Chapel Wharf etc on that bad boy!

Diggler
September 7th, 2005, 12:41 AM
Thanks to ManchesterBaby for the amazing pano

Tried adding Beetham, GN, Crown, Sarah tower and Eastgate - for some reason the pic goes all grainy on upload...
Having trouble working out where the spinny developments will pop up..

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/cottonopolis/manchesterpanoramasm3.jpg

Excellent work! I think photobucket resize pics if they are over a certain size - the image you posted was only 46KB.

caw123
September 18th, 2005, 04:41 PM
A quick massing of how Piccadilly will look when coming in on the train......
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/piccadillycopy.jpg

Pic Place, Crown, Eastgate and a generic 150m box added for the Greengate site.

Accura4Matalan
September 18th, 2005, 04:46 PM
Nice one :)
Didnt realise that PP would make such a large impact.

kids
September 19th, 2005, 06:27 PM
here's a render on brummie nick's photo, from the top of manchester stadium

cheers nick

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/dvgeue.jpg

Farsight
September 19th, 2005, 08:13 PM
Wow. Thanks guys. It's really going to be something.

caw123
September 24th, 2005, 10:31 PM
Another massing for you. I really can't be arsed adding textures.

View from the top of Market Street September 2005
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P9210002copy.jpg

View from the top of Market Street September 2008?
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/eastgate2.jpg

Manc Guy
September 24th, 2005, 11:19 PM
And jesus wept... :D

vertigosufferer
September 25th, 2005, 12:05 AM
Wow! is that for real. Amazing!! :)

rolybling
September 25th, 2005, 01:17 AM
..edited

Preston_guy
September 26th, 2005, 07:49 PM
Some really wicked renders there, can't wait to see the real thing!

Andrew
September 27th, 2005, 06:46 PM
Very, very impressive!

WeasteDevil
September 28th, 2005, 01:58 AM
What is it when people confuse totally the idea of a render and artistic impression?

Jerv
September 28th, 2005, 03:47 PM
What is it when people confuse totally the idea of a render and artistic impression?

The two are the same.

An impression is to show something, to render is to submitt that impression. A rendering is that impression which is rendered.

render

• verb 1 provide or give (a service, help, etc.). 2 submit for inspection, consideration, or payment. 3 literary hand over; surrender. 4 cause to be or become. 5 represent, interpret, or perform artistically. 6 translate. 7 melt down (fat) so as to clarify it. 8 process (the carcass of an animal) in order to extract proteins, fats, and other usable parts. 9 cover (stone or brick) with a coat of plaster.

• noun a first coat of plaster applied to a brick or stone surface.

uk2012
October 1st, 2005, 12:54 AM
I was sitting at my computer and realized I have never attempted to create my own render. So I used a picture which was posted and I came up with this!

Please rate this image!

http://www.ondre.com/manchester.gif

Image curtacy of SKYSCRAPERNEWS.COM

vertigosufferer
October 1st, 2005, 01:24 AM
I'm sure caw's done something like that one before?

oscar9
October 1st, 2005, 10:19 AM
Big windows!

Griff
October 1st, 2005, 11:55 AM
Apart from the windows (which should indeed be smaller), it's not bad at all -- the lighting looks pretty well spot on to me.

caw123
October 1st, 2005, 12:02 PM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/eastgate2.jpg

Original, for reference.

Btw does this warrant a thread of it's own? I'll merge this with the existing renders thread.

Jerv
October 1st, 2005, 02:17 PM
Please rate this image!


Rating: Bad plagorism.

Martin G
October 1st, 2005, 09:42 PM
To be honest with you - I just wish that they would rip down that fucking awful 111 Piccadilly (nee Rodwell House) building. It was never a favourite of mine - it's only surpassed in ugliness and brutality by the Arndale Tower and the North Tower. For a start it's solely responsible for creating a microclimate at that road junction where it stands wherein the highest gusts in Manchester City centre are constantly experienced, and with five more towers going up in that area soon it's going to be a fucking tornado blackspot at this rate. I find it completely surplus to requirements and ill-matched for the new structures that will be going up there and yet there it remains, just sitting there stubbornly looking like it will never budge an inch even in a 700 mph wind.

rolybling
October 1st, 2005, 09:49 PM
..edited

caw123
October 1st, 2005, 09:57 PM
Removed? Roly, did you post it as I merged the two threads? :?

I can't think of any other explanation? What did it say? Just post it again!

caw123
October 1st, 2005, 10:03 PM
What time did you post it roly?

caw123
October 1st, 2005, 10:16 PM
:rant:

rolybling
October 1st, 2005, 10:32 PM
..edited

caw123
October 1st, 2005, 10:37 PM
You weren't suggesting that? What was the ''can't stand all the ego's and precious personalities, some people on here are great and some just suck..'' referring to then? :sly:

rolybling
October 1st, 2005, 11:24 PM
..edited

EarlyBird
October 1st, 2005, 11:28 PM
*slaps you both, bangs your heads together, slaps you again, then goes back to the wine*

Northbeach
October 2nd, 2005, 01:07 AM
Griff's response has only just become apparant to me whereas earlier it wasn't there...I'd read befores and afters...dunno - acting 'doolally' youth.

Farsight
October 2nd, 2005, 12:06 PM
Martin G To be honest with you - I just wish that they would rip down that fucking awful 111 Piccadilly (nee Rodwell House) building. It was never a favourite of mine - it's only surpassed in ugliness and brutality by the Arndale Tower and the North Tower. For a start it's solely responsible for creating a microclimate at that road junction where it stands wherein the highest gusts in Manchester City centre are constantly experienced, and with five more towers going up in that area soon it's going to be a fucking tornado blackspot at this rate. I find it completely surplus to requirements and ill-matched for the new structures that will be going up there and yet there it remains, just sitting there stubbornly looking like it will never budge an inch even in a 700 mph wind.

Here we fucking go again.

caw123
October 2nd, 2005, 12:11 PM
Farsight, stop jumping on people merely for their perfectly acceptable opinion. So he thinks the Arndale, North and 111 towers are ugly......ermmmm......and? Nothing wrong with that.

He's dead right about the wind problems too. It's really bad, ridiculous even. Eastgate has a podium so won't have any wind problems, Sarah has setbacks which will help, but what is stopping the Crown Tower from having similar issues at it's base? It bloody is going to be 'Windydilly' in a few years.

Farsight
October 2nd, 2005, 12:22 PM
I didn't jump on him. He's the one jumping in with his demolish this demolish that stuff. I thought we'd knocked it on the head. Why don't you tell him to take it to the thread you started.

Northbeach
October 2nd, 2005, 03:31 PM
It's like a bleedin bad night out in Poole round here sometimes.
http://www.astralempire.com/images/Fisticuffs.gif

Martin G
October 3rd, 2005, 02:37 AM
I didn't jump on him. He's the one jumping in with his demolish this demolish that stuff. I thought we'd knocked it on the head. Why don't you tell him to take it to the thread you started.


Oh shut the fuck up, you precious gimp. You really do have no perception of irony or humour or the absurd in anything I write at all sometimes. You like wind, you go and live in a baked bean factory then.



:baaa:

Richmond_Michael
October 3rd, 2005, 02:37 AM
Do you think Manchester should market itself such as the windy city, as the rainy city? I know i'd still go to the windy city. Its like the big apple... you know where im talking about just because of name association, but would it effect tourism? just bring an umbrella... what do you think? Also do we have anywhere like that in the UK?

Martin G
October 3rd, 2005, 02:46 AM
Do you think Manchester should market itself such as the windy city, as the rainy city? I know i'd still go to the windy city. Its like the big apple... you know where im talking about just because of name association, but would it effect tourism? just bring an umbrella... what do you think? Also do we have anywhere like that in the UK?

The Rainy City tag people level at Manchester is such a fucking lazy cliché it's getting tedious. It's never been true back then and isn't true even now. It's like saying all Birmingham is is Spaghetti Junctions and flyovers and motorways - and that is based on one lazy stereotyped way of thinking that has been brought about purely from just ONE motorway junction 3 miles out of the city centre. Birmingham has only one proper motorway running through it - the M6. The M5 is the only other one nearby - some 6 miles west, but even that lies in Sandwell anyway! How many motorways does Manchester (and Glasgow for that matter) have encircling it? But do people call THEM "motorway city"? Do they frig! So, yeah, it's time we stopped all this "rainy city" nonsense and - yes - perhaps the "Windy City" will be more applicable for the future bearing in mind how many huge towers will be going up here. I do prefer it actually, cos it's fucking true! :D

EarlyBird
October 3rd, 2005, 02:52 AM
Do you think Manchester should market itself such as the windy city, as the rainy city? I know i'd still go to the windy city. Its like the big apple... you know where im talking about just because of name association, but would it effect tourism? just bring an umbrella... what do you think? Also do we have anywhere like that in the UK?
Leeds, Bradford and Sheffield are the three rainiest cities in England.

Farsight
October 3rd, 2005, 09:27 AM
Martin G: Oh shut the fuck up, you precious gimp. You really do have no perception of irony or humour or the absurd in anything I write at all sometimes. You like wind, you go and live in a baked bean factory then. And right on cue here comes the abuse.

Jongeman
October 3rd, 2005, 09:35 AM
The Rainy City tag people level at Manchester is such a fucking lazy cliché it's getting tedious.

And yet it's constantly rolled out by the media, every time like it's a fuckin new humourous revelation! Tedious in the extreme.

It rained like buggery for the commonwealth games closing ceremony admittedly, but then it didn't really chuck it down again like that for a couple of years.

Richmond_Michael
October 3rd, 2005, 10:41 AM
I don't think your getting my point... i mean Rain city used as a sub text Manchester-The rainy City. Yeah i know its a cliche but everyone says it, so why not use it to our advantage?

Bachy Soletanche
October 3rd, 2005, 11:26 AM
Leeds, Bradford and Sheffield are the three rainiest cities in England.

You sure about that? when I lived in Leeds it was notably dryer than Manchester/Liverpool but it was colder.

[insert Yorkshire stereotype here]

Paisley the wettist place I've lived, this constant light drizzle interupted only by heavy rain. Oddly enough if you were in Glasgow and it was fine go back to Paisley to drizle, light drizzle in Glasgow = Monsoons in Paisley.

Maybe that was just me though.

edited to add: "Rainfall in England varies widely. The Lake District is the wettest part, with average annual totals exceeding 2,000 mm (this is comparable with that in the western Highlands of Scotland). The Pennines and the moors of south-west England are almost as wet. However, all of East Anglia, much of the Midlands, eastern and north-eastern England, and parts of the south-east receive less than 700 mm a year. " from http://www.met-office.gov.uk/climate/uk/location/england/

Jongeman
October 3rd, 2005, 11:39 AM
I don't think your getting my point... i mean Rain city used as a sub text Manchester-The rainy City. Yeah i know its a cliche but everyone says it, so why not use it to our advantage?

I don't think we can ever use that to our advantage!

If it's any consolation though, Vancouver's a 'rainy city' and Mebourne's 'dark city'

rolybling
October 3rd, 2005, 11:49 AM
..edited

kebabmonster
October 3rd, 2005, 01:06 PM
I think that Birmingham is known for its motorways becuase if you have to drive from one side of the country to the other, you have to pass through Birmingham/West Midlands. Unless your going from Carlisle to Newcastle :D

Jasper
October 3rd, 2005, 03:04 PM
Not sure about Glasgow Martin but Manchester has 25% of the UK's motorway network running through it, ................

Sorry to rain on your parade Roly but that's a dodgy statistic if I ever saw one....

The only way of defending that statement is to simply list the motorways of the UK by name, (M25, M20, M3, M62 etc.) and then claim that 25% of those names run through G Manchester..... however in terms of mileage the statistic becomes laughably wrong......

EDIT: I make it that, ignoring N Ireland and including (M) designated A roads, there are 69 motorway names (some are just spurs). 10 of these run through G Manchester - 14.5 %. Not including (M) designated A roads one gets 51 motorway names and 8 through GM making 15.7%. I don't see how to justify the 25% claim. END EDIT.

The UK has just under 3,500 km of motorways, and 177.7 km of these run through G Manchester - I make that just over 5%.

alternatively just look at a motoring atlas!

.

rolybling
October 3rd, 2005, 03:59 PM
..edited

Martin G
October 3rd, 2005, 04:11 PM
Taking the 499 square mile boundaries of Greater Manchester into consideration - it IS indeed the Motorway capital of the UK - all the following Motorways (including the non-70mph/non-dual stretches - we're classing every single stretch of road with a blue sign and blue line on road atlases here) have their entirety or some part of their length - great or small - lying within the county's boundaries:

1 - M60 (formerly M63/M66/M62) - entirety
2 - M67 - entirety
3 - A627(M) - entirety
4 - M66 - entirety
5 - M602 - entirety
6 - A57 (M) - entirety
7 - A6144(M) - entirety
8 - M61 - part
9 - M62 - part - split into two sections (unique in the country)
10 - M6 - part
11 - M56 - part
12 - M58 - part

plus the following spurs which actually do not have any numbers but share the number with the motorway into which they are feeding:

1 - M61 (formerly the A666(M) Kearsley Spur)
2 - M56 Manchester Airport Spur
3 - M56 Bowdon Spur (A56)
4 - M56 Princess Parkway feeder (A5103)
5 - M60 Cheadle Spur (A560 Roscoe's Roundabout)
6 - M6 Wigan Spur (A49)
7 - A627(M) Slattocks Link

That alone is quite comprehensive wouldn't you agree?


The network in the Glasgow/Strathclyde area is not quite as comprehensive but nevertheless has the following passing through it:

1- M73 - entirety
2 - M77 - entirety
3 - M898 - entirety
4 - M8 - part (including the notorious stretch between Juncs 8 and 29 where 24 Junctions are crammed into a 13 mile stretch!)
5 - M80 - part
6 - M74 - part

plus the following spurs -

1 - M8 Junction 25A - the only motorway spur built in the UK that specifically serves an out of town shopping centre (very odd baring in mind the no.25 junction lies just to the north and serves the centre anyway)
2 - M8 Junction 27 Paisley Link Improvement - another junction upgrade like 25A with new motorway link roads by-passing the original junction to effectively create a new spur.


By comparison, The West Midlands county has the following running through it - only one of which lies fully within the county...

1 - A38(M) Aston Expressway
2 - M6 - part
3 - M5 - part
4 - M42 - part (excluding the M6-M42 links)
5 - M6 Toll - part

The M40, M69, M54, M45 and M1 all lie outside the county boundaries proper... and, unlike with Greater Manchester, there are no spurs anywhere feeding into the main motorways (but of course, there should have been some built [e.g improved links connecting the M42 with the NEC and airport, a proper motorway standard Black Country Route] if the motorway building programme was more comprehensive bearing in mind how completely inadequate and bog-standard much of the road network in the Black Country remains to this day.)

So Brum isn't exactly rich in motorways is it??

Jasper
October 3rd, 2005, 04:12 PM
Mmm, I think I see how they justify it - they take all the motorways that run through GM and then add all their lengths together, then divide by 3500 km. Luckily the M6 just goes through GM for a few miles so they get to "claim" its entire length (370 km).....

Still think it's dodgy!

.

Martin G
October 3rd, 2005, 04:20 PM
You sure about that? when I lived in Leeds it was notably dryer than Manchester/Liverpool but it was colder.

[insert Yorkshire stereotype here]

Paisley the wettist place I've lived, this constant light drizzle interupted only by heavy rain. Oddly enough if you were in Glasgow and it was fine go back to Paisley to drizle, light drizzle in Glasgow = Monsoons in Paisley.

Maybe that was just me though.

edited to add: "Rainfall in England varies widely. The Lake District is the wettest part, with average annual totals exceeding 2,000 mm (this is comparable with that in the western Highlands of Scotland). The Pennines and the moors of south-west England are almost as wet. However, all of East Anglia, much of the Midlands, eastern and north-eastern England, and parts of the south-east receive less than 700 mm a year. " from http://www.met-office.gov.uk/climate/uk/location/england/



You obviously haven't been to Carlisle then! It's claimed that place has more annual rainfall than any other in the UK - being close to the Lake District probably explains it too! So Carlisle it is!

oscar9
October 3rd, 2005, 05:34 PM
Its really a misconception that Manchester is called rainy city because of the weather, its all to do with the fact that the Macintosh raincoat was invented and manufactured in Manc.,of course the media distorted things no doubt.

andysimo123
October 3rd, 2005, 05:41 PM
I've noticed it mostly rains at night and also it has rained alot in the last few weeks. Have a look outside, it looks like it wants to rain now.

Richmond_Michael
October 3rd, 2005, 06:02 PM
:) It's funny i have friends who come up from London and they say '' ohh shall i pack an umbrella?'' ... hello!

Well the sky is grey today :)

Richmond_Michael
October 3rd, 2005, 06:04 PM
Whoops! I didn't want it to do that :S and i meant gray*** ohh the shame.

Martin G
October 3rd, 2005, 06:56 PM
Come now, you've just posted an entire message in pink. If that doesn't tell us about your Manc credentials then nothing will! :lol:

highriser
October 3rd, 2005, 07:38 PM
Rainy City my fuckin arse,,thats a media lie we want to get rid of ,not encourage

Martin G
October 3rd, 2005, 07:43 PM
That was exactly my point! :yes:

highriser
October 3rd, 2005, 08:01 PM
It as become laughable now,this rain bollocks, have you noticed when something is on TV in Manchester they have to mention the weather esp if its raining.
The national media always go on about it, i would understand if Whitehall was lined with fuckin palm trees and MP's went to work in shorts and flipflops.

Biosonic
October 3rd, 2005, 08:18 PM
It as become laughable now,this rain bollocks, have you noticed when something is on TV in Manchester they have to mention the weather esp if its raining.
The national media always go on about it, i would understand if Whitehall was lined with fuckin palm trees and MP's went to work in shorts and flipflops.

:lol: I think a few MP's would like to wear shorts & flip flops!

I don't see what all the fuss is about the rain - yes, it does rain more in Manchester than in Brum, Bristol, Sheffield, London etc (I think, but I can't be arsed to check statistics - I am sure someone will correct me ;) )but isn't that what MADE Manchester? I mean the moist air made it perfect for weaving and the textile industry - stopped the cotton from splitting?

Hurrah for moisture! Ruins a night out though...

Sir Miles Platting
October 3rd, 2005, 11:29 PM
:lol: I think a few MP's would like to wear shorts & flip flops!

I don't see what all the fuss is about the rain - yes, it does rain more in Manchester than in Brum, Bristol, Sheffield, London etc (I think, but I can't be arsed to check statistics - I am sure someone will correct me ;) )but isn't that what MADE Manchester? I mean the moist air made it perfect for weaving and the textile industry - stopped the cotton from splitting?

Hurrah for moisture! Ruins a night out though...
The only way it can ruin a night out is if you plan on 'flattening some grass' in the local park with your bird/(insert alternative)........ :tongue4:

Griff
October 3rd, 2005, 11:57 PM
The rain thing really is a tired jibe, but one which no doubt the darlings of the media will continue to perpetuate for some time to come. There are three different stories about how it came about (that I know of).

One is the Mackintosh theory, as oscar9 pointed out.

Another is that the build up of smoke from the mills and factories set off a chemical reaction which triggered the rain at the end of the day while people were going home. It sounds weird, but there is some scientific backing to this theory.

The third I've heard is that the reputation largely originates from test match radio commentators in the 1930s. There were, apparently, a string of test matches in the 30s which were badly affected by rain at Old Trafford and it became something of an running joke. This sounds like the most bollocks of the three, although I'm sure I remember Fred Talbot coming out with this one.

Statistically though, Manchester's rainfall statistics are unspectacular even by UK standards, let alone globally. Average annual rainfall is just over 800mm. Compare this, for instance, with New York (about 1100mm) and Sydney (about 1250mm).

In terms of my own perception of the differences in climate between the south east and Manchester (having lived in Manchester for over 20 years and the south east for about eight), it's pretty minimal. Put it another way, if you were in any way bothered by Manchester's weather, you're not going to find that London is the answer to your prayers.

Biosonic -- I'll grant your wish to be corrected ;). Actually, it rains more in Bristol than it does in Manchester. Bristol, Cardiff, Glasgow, Belfast, Swansea, Preston, Plymouth, Londonderry are the eight UK cities with higher annual rainfall totals than Manchester.

Martin G
October 4th, 2005, 02:09 AM
You missed out Carlisle mate - that's wetter than all of those listed above!

Biosonic
October 4th, 2005, 10:14 AM
The only way it can ruin a night out is if you plan on 'flattening some grass' in the local park with your bird/(insert alternative)........ :tongue4:

You are not supposed to insert your alternative... ;)

Biosonic -- I'll grant your wish to be corrected ;). Actually, it rains more in Bristol than it does in Manchester. Bristol, Cardiff, Glasgow, Belfast, Swansea, Preston, Plymouth, Londonderry are the eight UK cities with higher annual rainfall totals than Manchester.

Thanks Griff - that has surprised me about Bristol - it's always been sunny whenever I've been there!

Surely Manchester's rain comes from relief rainfall from the Pennines? So, Manchester doesn't have that much rain, and Birmingham doesn't have many motorways. What other illusions can we shatter? I know - the streets of London are NOT paved with gold... (well, they could have been from minor deposits of precious metals from catalaytic converters but congestion charging put an end to that...)

rolybling
October 4th, 2005, 11:29 AM
..edited

Liam-Manchester
October 6th, 2005, 02:38 AM
You sure about that? when I lived in Leeds it was notably dryer than Manchester/Liverpool but it was colder.

[insert Yorkshire stereotype here]

Paisley the wettist place I've lived, this constant light drizzle interupted only by heavy rain. Oddly enough if you were in Glasgow and it was fine go back to Paisley to drizle, light drizzle in Glasgow = Monsoons in Paisley.

Maybe that was just me though.

edited to add: "Rainfall in England varies widely. The Lake District is the wettest part, with average annual totals exceeding 2,000 mm (this is comparable with that in the western Highlands of Scotland). The Pennines and the moors of south-west England are almost as wet. However, all of East Anglia, much of the Midlands, eastern and north-eastern England, and parts of the south-east receive less than 700 mm a year. " from http://www.met-office.gov.uk/climate/uk/location/england/

Leeds is actually not much drier than Manchester at all. It's so close to the pennines that even though it is on the leeward side, the rain clouds have usually not got rid of all the rainfall through relief rain by the time they get there. Places like York which are a bit further east of the Pennines are much drier than Leeds, even though they are quite close together. If you look at a precipitation map of the UK you see that the areas of higher relief are generally the wettest. Leeds is basically only just east of the eastern slopes of the Pennines, so not far enough away to have significantly lower rainfall than Manchester. It is marginally drier than Manchester but it's not a difference that is easily noticeable.

Liam-Manchester
October 6th, 2005, 02:43 AM
Not sure about Glasgow Martin but Manchester has 25% of the UK's motorway network running through it, you're right about Birmingham, the only motorway there is the M6 with the M5 close by (well they do merge at about junction 10 or sommat) as for the rainy city tag, yeah its tired now. Chicago's called the windy city but it wasn't that windy when I was there, apparently the name has got nothing to do with actual wind, its sommatt to do with their politicians of old being WIND BAGS and voting against federal govt policies etc etc, well thats what I was told by my Ex who lives there.

You're right about the main reason for Chicago's nickname being due to politics. However, when I was there I found out that the name was considered suitable also due to the weather. The average wind speed in downtown Chicago is 15mph which is very high for an average and therefore it certainly justifies its reputation. This is not the case with Manchester, which has surprisingly low annual rainfall in world terms.

Richmond_Michael
October 6th, 2005, 06:55 PM
:bash: Just because it's pink! doesn't mean im a homo :)

Martin G
October 6th, 2005, 07:12 PM
:bash: Just because it's pink! doesn't mean im a homo :)


Er.....come again....?? What exactly are you implying? Methinks you got the complete wrong end of the French stick my friend..... :lol:

Richmond_Michael
October 6th, 2005, 11:50 PM
hahaha well tiz true im a raving puffta and you can find me most nights sucking cock in Essential. please! xxx

andysimo123
October 7th, 2005, 12:39 AM
I think thats a little to much information. :runaway:

dgnr8
October 7th, 2005, 12:54 AM
I think this is the best moment in the Manc forum's history.

WeasteDevil
October 7th, 2005, 02:17 AM
:lol:

rolybling
October 7th, 2005, 10:30 AM
..edited

Richmond_Michael
October 7th, 2005, 01:47 PM
the manc forum is comin outta the closet!!! ''everybody dance now!''

cottonopolis
October 7th, 2005, 02:02 PM
^ FINALLY! :banana:

Jerv
October 7th, 2005, 02:05 PM
Thats fucking inappropriate. Watch what you say in future in threads dedicated to skyscrapers.

9462
October 7th, 2005, 04:53 PM
thease forums are filled with immature gays

rolybling
October 7th, 2005, 05:02 PM
..edited

Jongeman
October 7th, 2005, 05:16 PM
hmmm not sure about that 9462, although RM's comment was inappropriate on a forum about scrapers. RM its probably best advised you keep that sort of stuff in Essential, I'm not having a go, I'm gay too..but this isn't the right place IMO.

ditto, I'm not immature and I'm certainly not young, despite the name....lol

Richmond_Michael
October 7th, 2005, 05:52 PM
haha i'v been told. sorry

Farsight
October 7th, 2005, 06:15 PM
Edit: Noted.

cottonopolis
October 7th, 2005, 06:21 PM
^WOW! The guy was having a laugh and has said sorry. By far some of the worst comments I´ve seen on here. So unless your being ironic your way out if line.

Farsight
October 7th, 2005, 06:23 PM
Aw, I thought it was funny when I wrote it cotton.

OK, wiped.

rolybling
October 7th, 2005, 06:26 PM
..edited

Farsight
October 7th, 2005, 06:33 PM
Noted roly.

Jerv
October 7th, 2005, 07:30 PM
haha i'v been told. sorry

OK fair enough. Welcome anyway. I think the skybar is more appropriate for things like that. These threads have generally been going quite far off topic recently, hence my sharpness.

caw123
October 7th, 2005, 08:24 PM
Manchester BLOODY Skyline Renders!

:rant:

Martin G
October 7th, 2005, 08:40 PM
^^

Manchester BLOODY BASTARD FRIGGIN' TOSSIN' BENDIN' STRETCHIN' ARSEQUAKIN' MUTHAFUCKIN' COCKSUCKIN' FRENCH-STICK LICKIN' Skyline Renders to you, mate.

:rant: :rant: :rant:

kids
October 7th, 2005, 08:42 PM
i wanna ry a street one, any requests?

highriser
October 7th, 2005, 08:49 PM
^^

Manchester BLOODY BASTARD FRIGGIN' TOSSIN' BENDIN' STRETCHIN' ARSEQUAKIN' MUTHAFUCKIN' COCKSUCKIN' FRENCH-STICK LICKIN' Skyline Renders to you, mate.

:rant: :rant: :rant:


French stick lickin :rofl: :rofl:

Mez
October 11th, 2005, 04:10 PM
mmmmmm.

I know this is a really old image but it looks soooo good.

When are we gonna get some decent news? Didnt Jrb say summut about Salford council being pro-active in getting a very tall tower for the site.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/mezmail/256NewTallestForManc_pic1.jpg

cottonopolis
October 31st, 2005, 10:10 PM
Thanks to JRB for the original image. What a view it´ll be approaching the city in some years time. Took the liberty of cleanin the Umist a little too..

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/cottonopolis/Imagewwwwwwwww.jpg

Know it´s not a render but I stiched the amazing pano together from the city tower website.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/cottonopolis/Manpan.jpg

kids
October 31st, 2005, 10:13 PM
How do you make your renders so good?!

highriser
October 31st, 2005, 11:58 PM
Excellent cottonsocks :applause:

Farsight
November 1st, 2005, 01:01 PM
Oh wow. Now that I like. Thank you cotton.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/cottonopolis/Imagewwwwwwwww.jpg

inquisitor57
November 3rd, 2005, 03:03 AM
Thats a great voew, although the tower in the middle (Crown is it?) looks too thin, not that I'm complaining, I still want it built ;)

rolybling
November 3rd, 2005, 12:16 PM
Thats a great voew, although the tower in the middle (Crown is it?) looks too thin, not that I'm complaining, I still want it built ;)

Its side on from that view, thats why it looks so slim, slightly to the right and it would look completely different dont worry :)

kids
December 26th, 2005, 09:28 PM
Right, i've done a render on manmeds amazing pano from salford.

I've only included buildings which are u/c now or approved and that are expected to start next year - so this is realistic basically. OK it aint perfect, but it gives us an idea of what manc will look like in about 2-3 years?

I've only really put detatil on the big-uns

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/render23.jpg

annotated version

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/render23annotation.jpg

inquisitor57
December 26th, 2005, 10:11 PM
Thats a really good rendering there. What does strike me though is that from that angle the right side of Manchester (including GN, Beetham, CJC etc) is under construction and nearly complete (its year is 2005 to me). Contrast this with the left side (Crown, Eastgate etc) and its 'year' in the spotlight wou;d appear to be 2006.

Sir Miles Platting
December 27th, 2005, 12:05 AM
......it's such a wide pano that the CIS is tilting to the left due to the curvature of the Earth... ;) Good effort though... :cheers:

dj
December 27th, 2005, 12:25 AM
Eastgate looks like it's in Salford in that view!

9462
December 27th, 2005, 03:47 AM
I think eastgate should be further down the horizon.

good though, always wanted to know what it looked like from there.

Ive always thought arndale and sunley need somthin higher near them, albany just does that.

caw123
December 31st, 2005, 06:17 PM
Right, i've done a render on manmeds amazing pano from salford.

I've only included buildings which are u/c now or approved and that are expected to start next year - so this is realistic basically. OK it aint perfect, but it gives us an idea of what manc will look like in about 2-3 years?

I've only really put detatil on the big-uns

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/render23.jpg

annotated version

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/render23annotation.jpg


Good work Kids.

I've been doing a massing on the same image for a bit now. However, I've jumped the gun and added aload of stuff that probably won't be built. Might finish it today.

caw123
January 1st, 2006, 12:41 AM
Finished it. As I've said, it includes pretty much everything, constructions, approved/proposed plus stuff that is light years off ie. Crowngate, Middlewood Locks, Central Spine.

Before
http://www.magix-photos.com/mediapool2/84/29/07/80/3A/5A/11/DA/A7/B7/E6/71/54/2D/D3/F5/10/A3D727706BFF11DA9186C78C542DD3F5.jpg

After
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/skylinerender33.jpg

After, labelled
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/skylinerenderlabelledcopy.jpg

Thanks man med!

Accura4Matalan
January 1st, 2006, 12:46 AM
Excellent stuff chris. I'd forgotten about Crowngate etc and all the stuff to the far right.
Maybe you should do Greengate as being somewhere in between Proposed/Under Construction lol.

oscar9
January 1st, 2006, 12:47 PM
Fantastic CAW. I like the way 1 hs compliments Beetham tower from that angle. Perhaps a slab design for 1 hs is not that bad after all.Eastgate is awsome ..please please let this start this year.

rolybling
January 1st, 2006, 01:08 PM
nice one, can you post a smaller version Caw so we can see it all in one go? pretty please?

jrb
January 1st, 2006, 02:24 PM
nice one, can you post a smaller version Caw so we can see it all in one go? pretty please?

Superb Caw!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/skylinerenderlabelledcopy1000001200.jpg

Latic
January 1st, 2006, 02:37 PM
Very cool CAW. Just looks amazing!

Mez
January 1st, 2006, 04:08 PM
Yeah, many thanks CAW. I cant wait.

Manc Guy
January 1st, 2006, 04:49 PM
How about that for a SSC banner?

jrb
January 1st, 2006, 05:01 PM
How about that for a SSC banner?

Good shout Manc Guy!

I second that!

jrb
January 1st, 2006, 05:09 PM
Caw!

You have mail!

rolybling
January 1st, 2006, 09:17 PM
cheers jrb that looks fantastic

vertigosufferer
January 2nd, 2006, 01:42 AM
Great renders, if all those buildings/towers came off, it would look a truly amazing skyline. True we have a wide area for a skyline, but hopefully in 10/20 years time, it will look alot more denser. :)

dirtyred619
January 2nd, 2006, 04:10 PM
Excellent render caw, well done, looks great!

Farsight
January 3rd, 2006, 07:57 PM
Oh wow caw, well done. Wow. A fuckin mazin.

man med
January 6th, 2006, 09:28 PM
Nice 1 caw - really good

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/skylinerenderlabelledcopy1000001200.jpg

highriser
January 13th, 2006, 02:01 AM
KITR, can you add GN , CJC and Chapel Wharf , thanking you :)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/Mockup.jpg

TheGrand
January 13th, 2006, 02:13 AM
KITR, can you add GN , CJC and Chapel Wharf , thanking you :)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/Mockup.jpg

You can also squeeze in Manchester House and Number 1 Hardman? :)

inquisitor57
January 13th, 2006, 01:30 PM
Why does there have to be a Crowngate and a Crown building, it does my head in. Plus, if 1hardman square is built it will look like we have two Eastgates! Also Chapel Wharf looks like a mini Beetham...arrgghhhh!

Farsight
January 13th, 2006, 03:34 PM
Sure, it would be nice to have a pyramid/cylinder/cone/curvy or two. But I ain't complaining.

inquisitor57
January 13th, 2006, 08:40 PM
I'm not saying these towers aren't an improvement over whats there at the minute, I just think that maybe a little bit of inspired design (ala, the original Hardaman designs) could end up being a real Manchester 'icon'.

Irish Blood English Heart
January 18th, 2006, 02:13 PM
Who did that rendering, looks superb, cant wait to see everything else added to it.

b4mmy
January 18th, 2006, 02:35 PM
Who did that rendering, looks superb, cant wait to see everything else added to it.

They are all here if you would like to check them out....
http://tallbuildings.blogspot.com

Best wishes

Irish Blood English Heart
January 18th, 2006, 02:45 PM
Thanks Chris, just found your site on another thread.... Some great work there I must say.

kids
February 12th, 2006, 03:46 PM
Here's abit of a work in progress.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/snowcapped.jpg

kids
February 12th, 2006, 03:48 PM
/\ photo by mrees

ForeverSalfordRed
February 14th, 2006, 01:42 PM
Great render. What year would it be to look like that?

kids
February 14th, 2006, 01:46 PM
Thankyou :) , 2010-12 perhaps

You've got all the regulars. eastgate, hms, greengate, crown, chapel wharf + beetham etc - they should be done in a few years.

Then there's central spine, which should be done by 2010 if bbc decide to move there

not long off

Farsight
February 14th, 2006, 03:43 PM
Good one Kids.

Shhh, don't tell anybody, but I have a sneaking suspicion you might have to make Albany Tower (Crown Building) taller than Beetham.

Isaac Newell
February 14th, 2006, 03:51 PM
great work there but it looks like a clone of a boring American city, could be Minneapolis, St Louis, Cleveland, anywhere.

rolybling
February 14th, 2006, 03:54 PM
^^ its a good thing its Manchester then,

I mean....Cleveland?

andysimo123
February 14th, 2006, 04:08 PM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/snowcapped.jpg
http://www.times-up.org/images/skyline.jpg
Looks like Manchester has taller buildings than NYC on them pics.

Isaac Newell
February 14th, 2006, 04:10 PM
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/SiC/images/power.gif

Cleveland

rolybling
February 14th, 2006, 04:27 PM
looks ok but are we talking cultureless vacuum?

Isaac Newell
February 14th, 2006, 04:30 PM
Post industrial provincial city famouse for it's football team, and with it's own tram and inland port.

Sounds familiar.

JamesC
February 14th, 2006, 06:03 PM
So we are compering New York City to Manchester are we? we should open a New York skyline vs Manchester Skyline thread.

rolybling
February 14th, 2006, 06:06 PM
Post industrial provincial city famouse for it's football team, and with it's own tram and inland port.

Sounds familiar.

Thats not exactly the extent of culture in Manchester is it? a famous football team?

kids
February 14th, 2006, 07:26 PM
So we are compering New York City to Manchester are we? we should open a New York skyline vs Manchester Skyline thread.

No way! :)

Manchester's skylines got a long way to go to beat NY - only 1 person mentioned NY. The rest mentioned cleveland & Minneapolis.

Imagine how good at 230m high pyramid shaped tower would look between eastgate and sunley!

Mez
February 14th, 2006, 07:30 PM
I think it'd only just fit!

Isaac Newell
February 14th, 2006, 08:08 PM
Thats not exactly the extent of culture in Manchester is it? a famous football team?

unfortunately thats what the rest of the world thinks.

vertigosufferer
February 14th, 2006, 09:45 PM
unfortunately thats what the rest of the world thinks.

Okay, Mr World Spokesman. Let me know your secret to harnessing the opinions, views and thoughts of the rest of the world into such a generalising consensus.

Isaac Newell
February 14th, 2006, 10:59 PM
Okay, Mr World Spokesman. Let me know your secret to harnessing the opinions, views and thoughts of the rest of the world into such a generalising consensus.

Travel..

rolybling
February 14th, 2006, 11:05 PM
unfortunately thats what the rest of the world thinks.

unless someone puts them straight, what about our museums and art galleries? our theatre's, actors, musicians, singers, what about our long tradition in television and media? Its not all football and pies

Isaac Newell
February 14th, 2006, 11:31 PM
unless someone puts them straight, what about our museums and art galleries? our theatre's, actors, musicians, singers, what about our long tradition in television and media? Its not all football and pies

That would bore them silly to be honest, people aren't really interested. It's no criticism of town it's just the way of the World.

rolybling
February 15th, 2006, 12:32 AM
Oh I don't know Isaac, maybe people you know aren't interested and thats fair enough, not everyone is, but that doesn't mean there aren't many out there that are interested. Why do cities bother with museums etc if everyone's just bored silly by them? I know what your trying to say but everyones different.

Isaac Newell
February 15th, 2006, 01:42 AM
I think I'm trying to say in this globalised digital World. Everywhere is the same. Internet shopping means you can buy anything anywhere there is a postman to serve you so no city has anything particularly unique. art galleries are all the same, a bit of oriental art, a bit of modern art, a few instalations and a bookshop which gets bigger every time you visit. And skylines all wish to emulate any old American City.

kids
March 29th, 2006, 11:44 AM
Ye-olde render has been updated

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/2829/hugerender1en.jpg

If there's anything missing, please say.

BeardedGenius
March 29th, 2006, 11:55 AM
Ye-olde render has been updated

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/2829/hugerender1en.jpg

If there's anything missing, please say.

Wow - how much of that is realistic?

kids
March 29th, 2006, 12:03 PM
/\ Quite alot of that will definately happen in the next few years (eastgate, albany, chapel wharf, hardman square etc). The towers to the left of eastgate, i'd assume, would be there for 2010 (these are the towers in the central spine scheme, which bbc are probably going to move to). - Then you've got Quay point, god knows what's going on there. But i can't see nothing being built here in the near future, being a key spot at the quays an'all. All the spinningfields towers should happen. Then there's numerous other towers e.g. greengate - could be u/c? :dunno: - crowngate - modus - victoria warehouse office tower - raddison hotel which we've yet to hear more info for, but alot of them will happen. The windmill should go in for pp in May :)

BeardedGenius
March 29th, 2006, 12:07 PM
/\ Quite alot of that will definately happen in the next few years (eastgate, albany, chapel wharf, hardman square etc). The towers to the left of eastgate, i'd assume, would be there for 2010 (these are the towers in the central spine scheme, which bbc are probably going to move to). - Then you've got Quay point, god knows what's going on there. But i can't see nothing being built here in the near future, being a key spot at the quays an'all. All the spinningfields towers should happen. Then there's numerous other towers e.g. greengate - could be u/c? :dunno: - crowngate - modus - victoria warehouse office tower - raddison hotel which we've yet to hear more info for, but alot of them will happen. The windmill should go in for pp in May :)

Is there a thread on this windmill - it must have passed me by...

rolybling
March 29th, 2006, 12:11 PM
top render KIDS, check out the density wow

kids
March 29th, 2006, 12:14 PM
There's no thread on it as of yet, but i'd assume one will be made when progress is made on the project. There has been discussion on it it the past though.

A recent post made by jrb

http://www.ecotricity.co.uk/assets/pics/MCFC2.jpg

Planning application, May 2006.

Architect. Norman Foster.

Wind turbine 85 metres high, rotors 71 metres wide.

here's a larger pic ~

http://www.ecotricity.co.uk/assets/MCFC.jpg

I think i'll make a thread about it now, actually. :)

kids
March 29th, 2006, 12:25 PM
top render KIDS, check out the density wow

nice one roly. :)

dirtyred619
March 29th, 2006, 02:20 PM
Whats the tower on the far right next to Canopus? Probably being thick but I can't think what it is.

Nice render by the way Kids.

kids
March 29th, 2006, 02:28 PM
Whats the tower on the far right next to Canopus? Probably being thick but I can't think what it is.

Nice render by the way Kids.

That's just a marker to show where a tower next to victoria st would be.

..vector!!

:eek2:

dirtyred619
March 29th, 2006, 02:42 PM
Right got ya! Thought you'd had a moment of madness and extended Skyline Central!

kids
May 15th, 2006, 06:02 PM
Just to give you an idea...

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5194/render32fz.jpg

kids
May 15th, 2006, 06:04 PM
/\ beetham looks like a French maid.

Manchester Planner
May 15th, 2006, 06:04 PM
Lovely - give it 10/15 years though. Don't expect it to happen all at once. :)

Manc Guy
May 15th, 2006, 06:06 PM
Lovely!

Mez
May 15th, 2006, 06:12 PM
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/mezmail/shock.jpg My god

kids
May 15th, 2006, 06:20 PM
Cheers guys, yeh, i've pretty much put everything on it. Heights arn't perfect etc etc. I put a non-descript block where a tower on the vector site would be. I used the old greengate design, although looking at it now it's much smaller than it should be.

kids
May 15th, 2006, 08:12 PM
Some amendments:

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3092/render36fj.jpg

rolybling
May 16th, 2006, 12:33 AM
Just to give you an idea...

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5194/render32fz.jpg
:eek2: a little bit of wee just escaped, at least I think it's wee

SUPERB STUFF KITR :)

kids
May 16th, 2006, 12:36 AM
Thanks Roly, although i think that's a little too much information.. :)

Mez
May 16th, 2006, 10:50 AM
I love that Spinningfields/Chapel wharf cluster.

Accura4Matalan
May 16th, 2006, 12:35 PM
great stuff :)

Manc Guy
May 16th, 2006, 01:51 PM
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/Corris_/man2witmap.jpg

:)

highriser
May 16th, 2006, 07:23 PM
Some amendments:

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3092/render36fj.jpg

Great work KITR :applause:

I think CJC need's to be a bit taller though , and 3 Hardman St will fill the gap in between Beetham and 1HS ..:)

rolybling
May 16th, 2006, 09:59 PM
it does get me rather excited that render, just imagine it even half full, it would still be a lovely skyline for a UK city.

vertigosufferer
May 16th, 2006, 10:41 PM
Great render, some big boys doing Manchester proud - let's hope they all get built :)

kebabmonster
May 16th, 2006, 10:52 PM
Which is the one behind the town hall?

Jongeman
May 16th, 2006, 11:07 PM
It's the unknown proposal for Victoria station......what was Vector Developments (Victoria Tower)

kebabmonster
May 16th, 2006, 11:14 PM
ah right, that Vector Arena jobbie! Cheers Jongeman. My favourite Manchester design too!

rolybling
May 16th, 2006, 11:15 PM
I didn't realise that particular proposal was so tall, shame nowt happened with it

kebabmonster
May 16th, 2006, 11:27 PM
Aye, 186m according to Emporis!

kids
May 16th, 2006, 11:30 PM
Cheers all :tyty:

Nice model mancguy ;)

Jongeman
May 16th, 2006, 11:49 PM
ah right, that Vector Arena jobbie! Cheers Jongeman. My favourite Manchester design too!

It was mine too, at the time. On reflection loads of people are saying that it'd be a bit tacky and too gold for today's tastes. Hmmmm I dunno.

Manc Guy
May 17th, 2006, 12:43 AM
Cheers all :tyty:

Nice model mancguy ;)

Tar! :)

I have a whole model of manchester an the go, as time passes, as it is as i speak, i will have some belters for you lot to perv on. Boy'o boy! :eek2:

From foodcourt...

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/Corris_/FoodcourtShot.jpg

b4mmy
May 17th, 2006, 12:49 AM
Tar! :)

I have a whole model of manchester an the go...

Keep goin fella, its all good!

The Longford
May 17th, 2006, 12:56 AM
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/Corris_/FoodcourtShot.jpg

Clock on the side of Debenhams! Nice touch!
What with b2mmys choo choo you guys humble me!
Tick tock-tastic

tlhf
May 17th, 2006, 10:58 AM
Quality :)

Manc Guy
May 21st, 2006, 09:08 PM
Teaser for yaz ;)

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/Corris_/sampleroly.jpg

Bare in mind foreign forumers i missed out on a few things, just the start :D

rolybling
May 21st, 2006, 09:11 PM
oooh I like that

Manc Guy
May 21st, 2006, 09:25 PM
Thanks.

I've still to add crowngate, hopefully someone can point out its position on a map etc, as ive not really an idea where it is. Of course ther a few inadqucies etc, i will iron them out in due course :)

I really am hoping to go into as much detail as possible. Once i've completed the street level massings (i've done a good deal of piccadilly as you can see(DENSE MUTHA f*kA)) this will happen :D

rolybling
May 21st, 2006, 09:29 PM
Crowngate would be ROUGHLY between the mid rise and tall one to the left of Beetham on that render. Talkin of CG I went into Dandara's office the other day and tried a bit of snooping but the girl I spoke to said she wasn't sure where they were up to with it yet. So no news is good news I suppose

Manc Guy
May 23rd, 2006, 10:37 PM
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/Corris_/Mancrender.jpg

Another one for' yaz...

Jongeman
May 23rd, 2006, 11:08 PM
Nice one MG......is that Pall Mall House I can see just to the right of City Tower?

rolybling
May 23rd, 2006, 11:16 PM
Thats brilliant mate, very impressive

The Longford
May 24th, 2006, 12:01 AM
Does anyone remember Battlezone?
http://storage.kanshin.com/free/img_2/23242/1765978282.gif
Manc Guy - you have made an old arcader very happy.
Great stuff our kid!

Manc Guy
May 24th, 2006, 12:16 AM
Nice one MG......is that Pall Mall House I can see just to the right of City Tower?

Thanks

Depends how far right you want me to look ;)
After the town hall (mock up that it is) you have chancery palace, then 82 kingstreet, i'll be sure to add Pall Mall house asap, i tottally forgot about it.

I really cant beleive the amount of high rise development in Manchester. I want to wee everywhere in excitement! One thing thats annoying, i export the file to .jpeg and all the wireframe edges go jagged, looks far better smooth, or even with no edging atall (very professional that last one, 'll save it for the completed model ;) )

Should i boast this on the brum forums? Should i? oo-oo-oo i want to, i really really want to! I love the fact ive missed a few things out...

also i'll do a model of media city in the background shot type thingy, sooner or later :D

honolulu bob
May 24th, 2006, 12:17 AM
Does anyone remember Battlezone?
http://storage.kanshin.com/free/img_2/23242/1765978282.gif
Manc Guy - you have made an old arcader very happy.
Great stuff our kid!


oh happy days :lol: :lol: :rock: imagine if you could do a defender-esque smartbomb and rid the world of nimbys :hilarious

b4mmy
May 24th, 2006, 12:33 AM
Does anyone remember Battlezone?
http://storage.kanshin.com/free/img_2/23242/1765978282.gif
Manc Guy - you have made an old arcader very happy.
Great stuff our kid!

or Missile Command?

http://www.webxprs.com/remakes/images/remakes/Missile%20Command.jpg

kids
May 24th, 2006, 12:43 AM
So we now have 2 models of Manchester.

Top notch Manc guy. Perhaps if you got a little more detail on there you could upload it to google earth?

Jongeman
May 24th, 2006, 12:51 AM
Thanks

Depends how far right you want me to look ;)
After the town hall (mock up that it is) you have chancery palace, then 82 kingstreet, i'll be sure to add Pall Mall house asap, i tottally forgot about it.

I really cant beleive the amount of high rise development in Manchester. I want to wee everywhere in excitement! One thing thats annoying, i export the file to .jpeg and all the wireframe edges go jagged, looks far better smooth, or even with no edging atall (very professional that last one, 'll save it for the completed model ;) )

Should i boast this on the brum forums? Should i? oo-oo-oo i want to, i really really want to! I love the fact ive missed a few things out...

also i'll do a model of media city in the background shot type thingy, sooner or later :D

If you wanted to put Pall Mall into it, from that angle I think it would be about where Hardman Sq is, just to the left of the CJC and close to the Arndale Tower. Does that make sense? I never noticed the jagged edges before mate, it looks good as it is.

You could post it in a Brum thread if you really wanted to but most regular Brum forummers are reading this thread anyway. You'd get slaughtered if you did that! LOL

kids
May 24th, 2006, 12:55 AM
Manc guy, you should do it over a map, like bammy is. That'd save all confusion.

Manc Guy
May 24th, 2006, 12:59 AM
Manc guy, you should do it over a map, like bammy is. That'd save all confusion.

I am G :)

rolybling
May 24th, 2006, 01:00 AM
I think it looks stupendous just as it is

Northbeach
May 24th, 2006, 11:08 AM
Fantastic MancG.

Aye, I remember playing the original star wars arcade game in the mock up spaceship. It was as a kid in the 'other english riviera' of Mablethorpe in Lincs:

http://www.bobnoss.com/images/starWarsArcadeSm01.png

http://www.andys-arcade.net/personal/thumbs/swsmall.jpg

Not sure if gaming has bettered this today despite it's Waitrose pixels, flash 189 billions shades of panda red and 3D object format translationables.

Anyone up for an old school game session (followed by bottles of blandford fly and schloer)?

The Longford
May 24th, 2006, 02:38 PM
There is such a brilliant atmosphere to MancGuys renders dont you think?
Really 'other wordly' and "detatched' - sort of like post neutron bomb. All the buildings are intact but there is no one left!