Again, a new thread to start following the loss of the old one.

Whitehall Riverside is a development by Town Centre Securities (http://www.tcs-plc.com/index3.htm). The site covers a former industrial works stretching along Whitehall Road from Monks Bridge to the junction with Aire Street and Kevin Linfoot's West Central/Point development. The development is designed by Leeds' very own Carey Jones.

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/3631/whitehallriverside6ts.jpg

A 192 apartment development was completed in 2003 and work is currently underway on the first office block fronting the River Aire. Further offices and residential apartments are expected, however it seems TCS are taking a step by step risk adverse approach and only commencing construction of the office elements following pre-letting.

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3583/whitehallroad25pz.jpg

Current progress...... as in mid August 2005

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7825/img01559rg.jpg

This is a side on view (with the river behind) of the office block (currently u/c - see above) to be occupied by Cobbetts Solictors and Russell Mellon Caps on the right hand side.

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1629/whitehall34uw.jpg

Finally, this little beauty fronts Whitehall Road at the junction of Aire Street and can be distinguished on the masterplan by the curved tower section. The coloured glass on the front of the building bodes well and is somewhat out of keeping with the typical Carey Jones look.

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/6532/whitehallriver20xb.jpg

hmm I havent seen that top rendering, looks better than the original plan. Why do they seem to build the boring buildings first though?

The HA GOYH block (the last rendering) is absolutely fantastic. It's over 50m tall, so it's going to be extremely imposing along Whitehall Road as well. The original plans were for a 30 storey residential block, but it appears to have been downsized from that masterplan rendering (although I wouldn't read to much into it at this stage).

That big archways gunna be siiik to walk under!!

There is a board up announcing the imminent start of the 8 storey office block in front of the 15 storey apoartment block that contains KW linfoot offices. This should bulk up the west end of the site.

oh good. This part of the riverside looks a bit 'bitty' at the moment. Coming in on the train presents a good view of the riverside and skyline but the foreground is full of warehouses and sheds waiting for development, looks a bit ugly. btw Potternewton Lane/A61 roundabout is an excellent place to see across the skyline.

There is a board up announcing the imminent start of the 8 storey office block in front of the 15 storey apoartment block that contains KW linfoot offices. This should bulk up the west end of the site.

good spot Ahmedd - wouldn't want to be in one of the flats that looks back out over Aireside Retail Park / Wellington Place, but i suspect this will be the smallest of the remaining Whitehall Riverside office blocks, and hence the smallest to fill (ergo, possibly the lowest risk). All these developments are chipping away at what was a deserted post industrial wasteland.

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/3631/whitehallriverside6ts.jpg

So that'll be the dark roofed shortish block fronting Whitehall Road directly behind Riverside West (the most southerly - by this image - building).

Two points on WR:

1. There is a new sign up facing the river and railway advertising 540,000 sq feet of office space to let at Whitehall Riverside. No doubt someone clever can work out if this is the remaining space, or are we in for a treat..!??
2. The building ahmedd noted went in for detailed planning permission whilst they were still building Riverside West, before anyone had moved in. I thought it was a bit sneaky at the time..!!!

Current progress on the riverside. It must be only a few weeks before the crane comes down.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/6cc14067.jpg

There is a board up announcing the imminent start of the 8 storey office block in front of the 15 storey apoartment block that contains KW linfoot offices. This should bulk up the west end of the site.

I'm not sure that the sign advertising offices is for that particular office block, I think it is general for all the office elements of Whitehall !

That is because the sign is for 54000m2, the little 8 storey block in front of the 16 storey block would only be about 8000-10000m2 at the most
(most medium size office footprints are about 1000m2 per floor).

I'm not sure that the sign advertising offices is for that particular office block, I think it is general for all the office elements of Whitehall !

That is because the sign is for 54000m2, the little 8 storey block in front of the 16 storey block would only be about 8000-10000m2 at the most
(most medium size office footprints are about 1000m2 per floor).

Is it not 540,000 squ. ft ?

Is it not 540,000 squ. ft ?

it is 540,000sq ft. That's quite a damn lot still to be built!

here's another couple of images I got from the Town Centre Securities website.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7200/whitehall47io.jpg

Not seen this before - shows the block directly facing West Point and Whitehall Road/Aire Street with the circular tower bit and the multicoloured glass frontage:

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3069/whitehall57wi.jpg

Also interesting to see that in the background of the two new images is an office block on the opposite side of Whitehall Road - that'll be part of the Wellington Place masterplan, also by Carey Jones. Must admit I like the look of these new renders - definately looking slightly different from the terracotta inspired Linfoot apartments on Whitehall Road and West Point. This new building will obscure West Point from the station and river. Say aye boys!

furthermore the circular building seems to curve around the glass block (which is u/c at present).

"furthermore the circular building seems to curve around the glass block (which is u/c at present)."

I'm not sure what you mean. Is the glass block you speak of part of the HAGOYH offices? Or do you mean that the tower curves round the other office block that faces out onto the river aire? (I don't think it does)

"furthermore the circular building seems to curve around the glass block (which is u/c at present)."

I'm not sure what you mean. Is the glass block you speak of part of the HAGOYH offices? Or do you mean that the tower curves round the other office block that faces out onto the river aire? (I don't think it does)

the latter, but I see what you mean. look at the masterplan - shows the circular tower sort of fits around the block u/c - perhaps curving round it is a bit of an overstatement. Perhaps its best to say that its bascially an 'L' shape. Eitherway I think it looks excellent, but not sure TCS are planning to get going anytime soon. Seems they are waiting for pre-lets and steering clear of speculative developments. Expect it will take till at least 2008 until we see the remainder of the riverside site filled in (this is my best guess).

1m2 is about 10ft2, so 540,000ft2 is about 54,000m2 (honestly, didn't you guys do maths at school ?)

I love that circular tower in front of the current building site, hope that get's going. There was a good report about how the Leeds office market is building speculative offices like never before (in Leeds Council's economy handbook, city centre 2005).

1m2 is about 10ft2, so 540,000ft2 is about 54,000m2 (honestly, didn't you guys do maths at school ?)

I love that circular tower in front of the current building site, hope that get's going. There was a good report about how the Leeds office market is building speculative offices like never before (in Leeds Council's economy handbook, city centre 2005).

A long time since I did maths at school Rob, but I was only stating what was on the sign and it was in square feet - not metres as you wrote !
Interesting article in this am's YP about office rents in Leeds (and Sheffield) going sky high.

Firstly, I like alot of these buildings, and I like the building which has multicoloured strips across the glass. Its a bit more daring to use colours compared to some buildings. Since this scheme was first proposed, the building styles have changed quite a bit, probably to meet the expectations of buildings now. This scheme is better than the original plans!

On the note of Maths, Rob, Imperial measurements are no longer taught at all, everything is metric- the idea is that you don't need imperial if everyone is using metric, which will be inevitable if this is taught like this. So never tell me anything in imperial, I'd have no idea!

as far as imperial measurements are concerned LN1 is right that we are no longer teach our children it in schools but in all honesty i still understand it better than metric. i'm sure we use it more often in everyday life still, or at least i do. it's those damn europeans, don't bow to them. our measurements have worked fine long enough thank you

oh and one other thing before i finish my rant on europe, who has ever said they are 1.74m tall? we say we are 5"10 (if they are indeed the same lengh)

oh and one other thing before i finish my rant on europe, who has ever said they are 1.74m tall? we say we are 5"10 (if they are indeed the same lengh)

good point !

oh and one other thing before i finish my rant on europe, who has ever said they are 1.74m tall? we say we are 5"10 (if they are indeed the same lengh)
calm down there alexi - things move on. the next generation will use metres (as LN1 said) by default without a seconds thought. Imperial measurements have had their day except it seems in the USA where they are doggedly hanging on to inches and gallons (although the US gallon is only 16 fl oz!!). This determination not to change at all led to one of the greatest NASA cock-ups ever - the Mars Climate Orbiter debacle in 1999 when scientists mixed up metric and imperial measurements, causing the craft to burn up in the Martian atmosphere after a 400 million-mile voyage!

Gotta have ruined someones day that one! :hammer:

Firstly, I like alot of these buildings, and I like the building which has multicoloured strips across the glass. Its a bit more daring to use colours compared to some buildings. Since this scheme was first proposed, the building styles have changed quite a bit, probably to meet the expectations of buildings now. This scheme is better than the original plans!

On the note of Maths, Rob, Imperial measurements are no longer taught at all, everything is metric- the idea is that you don't need imperial if everyone is using metric, which will be inevitable if this is taught like this. So never tell me anything in imperial, I'd have no idea!
lol! How old do you think Rob is! I'm sure he never did any imperial at school...he is too young... I never did imperial stuff and I'm quite old.

I guess once you get fat imperial can be useful you then measure in inches and stones rather tha cm and kgs cos it sounds better.. but never weigh yourself in pounds cos you'll just want to top yourself! :)



who has ever said they are 1.74m tall?
...I'm only I'm 170 cm tall. We've been metric in the UK since the 70's. The old measure are just thrown in to confuse us all... I don't know anyone under 45 ( except for Rob :| ) who has a clue what they are all about.

oh and one other thing before i finish my rant on europe, who has ever said they are 1.74m tall? we say we are 5"10 (if they are indeed the same lengh)

I've probably never ever said that I was 1.74m, because I was only that height very briefly while growing up, but if anybody asks me how tall I am I answer 1.80m.

no I know! I know imperial hasnt been taught for a long time but I was just pointin it out. 1972 was it? Most people I know use metric for nearly everything, simply because imperial means nothing- even KM in some situations. Imperial is obviously less accurate- I bet within 40 years imperial will be totally gone.

All this pointless debate about metrication (which BTW took place in February 1971) has arisen because I disputed what someone said was on a sign in Whitehall Road. I repeat, for the record, the sign said 540,000 square feet.

Hee hee, all this fuss. The sign is in ft2, but I (among many) don't use or like ft2, I always consider things in m2. That's why I originally said 54000m2. I think that's about it really.

ROB, this isn't about what YOU use or like. Take it up with the signwriters !

ROB, this isn't about what YOU use or like. Take it up with the signwriters !

Fred, in the 77 years you're always reminding about, did you ever learn anything about good manners? Rob didn't say anything untrue or inaccurate; he merely expressed a fact in terms he was accustomed to, something which he should be free to do without people jumping down his throat. And it's a bit rich for you to call it a pointless debate since you've been keeping it going for the last few days.

ROB, this isn't about what YOU use or like. Take it up with the signwriters !

It's ok, it's not the sign writers fault, it's the property marketing business that sometimes use feet, and sometimes use metres. They should make up their minds to stick with one, but for those educated in metric, metres would be better (but I can understand the view of those educated in imperial).

Fred, in the 77 years you're always reminding about, did you ever learn anything about good manners? Rob didn't say anything untrue or inaccurate; he merely expressed a fact in terms he was accustomed to, something which he should be free to do without people jumping down his throat. And it's a bit rich for you to call it a pointless debate since you've been keeping it going for the last few days.


If Rob feels I have been "jumping down his throat" I will apologise to him. As for keeping it going - you're not doing so bad yourself and I wager you are a lot younger than me ! :)

It's ok, it's not the sign writers fault, it's the property marketing business that sometimes use feet, and sometimes use metres. They should make up their minds to stick with one, but for those educated in metric, metres would be better (but I can understand the view of those educated in imperial).
total bollocks! This country is metric...it has been so for decades and so all measures should therefore obviously be metric... no ifs or buts or soft feel sorries for those who can't pick up a new concept even if given over 30 years to learn and practice it!


:)


I bet within 40 years imperial will be totally gone.
lol! You're living in hope aren't you!
;)

Even though I mnever learnt it at school, many moons ago, it is more than 34 years since coinage metrication came in and I can certainly deal with it - after all it's supposed to be simpler isn't it ?

However the confusion seems to be perpetuated, not by the public, but in this case by developers/builders. Blame them !

Whitehall Road keeps on trucking. The Russell Mellon Caps/Cobbetts place is looking well advanced. Will be due for habitation in March 2006. Wonder what the next building to start will be. Hopefully the multicoloured office block fronting Whitehall Road, but suspect no pre-let, no start team.

The site 9th October - crane still standing, and most of the cladding afixed.
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/7871/img02942lw.jpg

From the Cobbetts website.

http://www.cobbetts.co.uk/onthemove/images/leeds/1.jpg

http://www.cobbetts.co.uk/onthemove/images/leeds/2.jpg

Hope it doesn't end up looking like a commercial version of Concord Street!

so is the office block almost finished? any progress any where else on the old whitehall front?

Here we go, almost externally complete
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The other side seems to have a mix of glass and white/gray panelling. To be frank, I think it looks a bit guff. Bring on the rest of the masterplan.

The other blocks appear to be designed with the same cladding materials though - glass and those grey tiles. The grey tiles look almost as bad as the terracotta ones and are bitterly disapointing. The hagyoyh building looks much better though (at least from the renderings) - difficult to tell exactly what the construction materials will be.... could be just plain render or proper masonary on the lower sections and the curved tower part.

Are any of the other blocks U/C yet? I thought I remember someone saying the small building between the road and linfoots' 'whitehall quays' block was about to start.

The other blocks appear to be designed with the same cladding materials though - glass and those grey tiles. The grey tiles look almost as bad as the terracotta ones and are bitterly disapointing. The hagyoyh building looks much better though (at least from the renderings) - difficult to tell exactly what the construction materials will be.... could be just plain render or proper masonary on the lower sections and the curved tower part.

Are any of the other blocks U/C yet? I thought I remember someone saying the small building between the road and linfoots' 'whitehall quays' block was about to start.

Its an eight storey office block directly behind the Linfoot block, but nothing has started yet and there is a sign advertising short term car parking on the site. Its really painfully slow, and might be even more so if HBG go all guns blazing on to the Monksbridge Works site. If TCS won't proceed without pre-lets, it could be sometime till anything else starts.

The hagoyh building is supposed to be government though - the name is stands for something (what?). If they've commissioned a new building design, then you'd think it would be a little less speculative than the others.

The hagoyh building is supposed to be government though - the name is stands for something (what?). If they've commissioned a new building design, then you'd think it would be a little less speculative than the others.

Highways Agency and Government of Yorkshire and Humberside. My understanding is that HAGOYH plumped for Lateral and Sweet Street (completed within the City Walk complex) instead, which is probably why TCS haven't started on anything else and are probably licking their wounds.

Highways Agency and Government of Yorkshire and Humberside. My understanding is that HAGOYH plumped for Lateral and Sweet Street (completed within the City Walk complex) instead, which is probably why TCS haven't started on anything else and are probably licking their wounds.

Government of Yorkshire and Humberside?? Have the border controls finally been established on the M1 and M62? Wonder where the new capital will be.

Like you, I understand that the Civil Service departments have gone for Lateral and are expected to move up to 600 people there end of 2006 or early 2007. Still on news on what's to become of the beauteous City House, though.

Like you, I understand that the Civil Service departments have gone for Lateral and are expected to move up to 600 people there end of 2006 or early 2007. Still on news on what's to become of the beauteous City House, though.

Conversion to flats ?

My understanding is that HAGOYH plumped for Lateral and Sweet Street (completed within the City Walk complex) instead, which is probably why TCS haven't started on anything else and are probably licking their wounds.

That's correct, serves them right for being cowards and not building it. The developers of Lateral win the day because they had the guts to build that one speculatively.

Boring building Lateral, but hats off to them for actually building it !

Government of Yorkshire and Humberside?? Have the border controls finally been established on the M1 and M62? Wonder where the new capital will be.

Like you, I understand that the Civil Service departments have gone for Lateral and are expected to move up to 600 people there end of 2006 or early 2007. Still on news on what's to become of the beauteous City House, though.

whoops, perhaps I meant Government Office of Yorkshire and Humberside.
Either way, its a shame that the original building planned is not u/c, but no real reason to suspect that it won't get built in the long term.

Looks like work has started on the eight storey block in front of whitehall riverside facing wellington place, clearing work seem to be taking place. Another pice of the jigsaw seems to be fitting into place.

Oh Bollocks!

guess where i live?

yup 8th floor of whitehall waterfront looking out onto
Whitehall road. Fantastic view down kirkstall valley at the moment, it really is awe inspiring on a cold winters morning.

Looks like i will be exchanging that view for a big yellow crane and a shit load of noise over the next year or so!

ANyone got any images or info on the proposed building? Also what is going up on the site accross the road (the cleared airedale units)?

Hey Reggie,

Welcome to the board!

I regularly visit Whitehall Waterfront and yes the view is fantastic from the upper floors.

I guess the building work you are experiencing at the moment is nothing compared to what is on the way in the next 5 years. It's going to become a huge building site.

Whitehall Waterfront will be surrounded by high level developments.

It will pretty much be all 10 storey buildings, a few exceptions where they will rise to 16 and peaking at the Venture Tower 52 storeys.

Oh Bollocks!

guess where i live?

yup 8th floor of whitehall waterfront looking out onto
Whitehall road. Fantastic view down kirkstall valley at the moment, it really is awe inspiring on a cold winters morning.

Looks like i will be exchanging that view for a big yellow crane and a shit load of noise over the next year or so!

ANyone got any images or info on the proposed building? Also what is going up on the site accross the road (the cleared airedale units)?

Reggie,

If you wade through to page 3 of the topics, and have a look at the "Wellington Place Development" thread, it will tell you all about the development that will be going up on the other side of the road....

Oh Bollocks!

guess where i live?

yup 8th floor of whitehall waterfront looking out onto
Whitehall road. Fantastic view down kirkstall valley at the moment, it really is awe inspiring on a cold winters morning.

Looks like i will be exchanging that view for a big yellow crane and a shit load of noise over the next year or so!

ANyone got any images or info on the proposed building? Also what is going up on the site accross the road (the cleared airedale units)?

This image has already been posted earlier, but shows the revised masterplan for the site, and I presume that it will be the one that materialises (eventually). Bad luck on the view, though am sure you knew more development was planned for the entire site. If you are on the 8th floor, then you might just escape if the new building is indeed 8 storeys tall, though as office floor heights are typically taller than resi, it doesn't look good.
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/3631/whitehallriverside6ts.jpg

Anyhoo, welcome to the forum!

This image has already been posted earlier, but shows the revised masterplan for the site, and I presume that it will be the one that materialises (eventually).

Of course, that view shows the nasty sheds in the Aireside Centre still standing - the leftmost ones have already been demolished, and that whole site will be changed a great deal by the time Whitehall Riverside is finished...

There's something odd going on down by the riverside. The work Ahmedd refers to above seems to have been completed because the area's now being used for carparking. But there are excavators at work the other side of the entrance to the carpark.

There's something odd going on down by the riverside. The work Ahmedd refers to above seems to have been completed because the area's now being used for carparking. But there are excavators at work the other side of the entrance to the carpark.

Hmmmm, bad feeling about this. I remember over Xmas seeing an advert for long term parking spaces and a contact name and number for someone at Town Centre Securities. Perhaps they are investing a little bit in making the car park facilities slightly better, which suggests the development pipeline is only going to proceed with a significant pre-let (ala Cobbetts and Russel Mellon Caps taking the first phase).

That's a worse case obviously, perhaps I'm being pessimistic and its potential start of the next phase. Eyes peeled team!

The view that could be so much better with the west central tower:

http://members.lycos.co.uk/xapbpoh/photos/whitequays1.JPG


Another look at two of the existing blocks:

http://members.lycos.co.uk/xapbpoh/photos/whitequays4.JPG

Just drove past the Russell Mellon Caps/Cobbetts building on my way back onto the M1 this arvo. The last time I saw it it just had the glass cladding on the front and looked kinda OK. Now I notice that they've shoved on a load of the grey cladding, presumably nicked from across the road at West Point. Yuck! It's looking nearly as bad as that horrid squat monstrosity currently being completed next to the O2 offices. Is that building the nadir of the terracotta clad new Leeds look?

Just drove past the Russell Mellon Caps/Cobbetts building on my way back onto the M1 this arvo. The last time I saw it it just had the glass cladding on the front and looked kinda OK. Now I notice that they've shoved on a load of the grey cladding, presumably nicked from across the road at West Point. Yuck! It's looking nearly as bad as that horrid squat monstrosity currently being completed next to the O2 offices. Is that building the nadir of the terracotta clad new Leeds look?

This was already a hugely disappointing office block, and it'll be one of several similar buildings on Whitehall Road.

I envisaged a waterfront of Princes Exchange-type buildings. What could have been a superb entrance to the city has become just another site of the mediocre. What the heck happened?

Hmmmm, bad feeling about this. I remember over Xmas seeing an advert for long term parking spaces and a contact name and number for someone at Town Centre Securities. Perhaps they are investing a little bit in making the car park facilities slightly better, which suggests the development pipeline is only going to proceed with a significant pre-let (ala Cobbetts and Russel Mellon Caps taking the first phase).

That's a worse case obviously, perhaps I'm being pessimistic and its potential start of the next phase. Eyes peeled team!

Bum, I hate being right, but the car park is still well and truely operational, and the works seem to be simply to remove the low wall and scrub land that fronts Whitehall Road, probably to squeeze in another couple of car parking spaces. Site prep at best. It'd be nice if TCS took a punt and started on the partially circular towered multicoloured glass office scheme directly across the road from West Central once they've finished on the current block, but looks like that would be a case of severe wishful thinking.

http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/2690/img06198yf.jpg

Have to admit I have absolutely ceased caring about Whitehall Rd. With the possible exception of Whitehall 2 (and even that's not great), the new developments are so lowest common denominator that whatever goes up along the rest of it won't save the road from sheer architectural tedium. These are cheaply designed and built structures that won't age at all well, KW Linfoot and Carey Jones have a hell of a lot to answer for. In 10 years time we'll all be campaigning to have them knocked down for better quality developments as they will look as tired and dated as the Little London tower blocks. They are all what I term commodity developments, of little interest to anyone other than investors who buy to make short term rental yields and will sell as soon as they start looking tired.

I reckon they have a shelf life of around 15 years max and will be housing association stock at best after that.

Their location will see to it that these never become housing association stock, no matter how tired they begin to look. Just look at the prices of flats in some of the dreadful housing developments of the 60's around places like Chapel Allerton and Headingley. It's unfortunate that external aesthetics matter very little to some people when they buy a place.

I'm still liking these Blocks, they may not be design masterpieces, but they're not bad when compared to schemes like Brewery Wharf. The designs, whils't not groundbreaking, aren't bad, it's just the cladidng that lets it down.

Although to be honest, the office block is the blandest form of bland. Just looks like a sooped up version of your average office park building.

Have to admit I have absolutely ceased caring about Whitehall Rd. With the possible exception of Whitehall 2 (and even that's not great), the new developments are so lowest common denominator that whatever goes up along the rest of it won't save the road from sheer architectural tedium. These are cheaply designed and built structures that won't age at all well, KW Linfoot and Carey Jones have a hell of a lot to answer for. In 10 years time we'll all be campaigning to have them knocked down for better quality developments as they will look as tired and dated as the Little London tower blocks. They are all what I term commodity developments, of little interest to anyone other than investors who buy to make short term rental yields and will sell as soon as they start looking tired.

I reckon they have a shelf life of around 15 years max and will be housing association stock at best after that.

It's a massive waste of potential. It's THE gateway site in Leeds as far as i'm concerned, and Linfoot/Carey Jones have really messed it up. imagine if we'd had something like this instead...

http://www.getapad.co.uk/lettings/pBRANCH_9EDGE.jpg

or even...!

http://cv.uoc.es/~991_04_005_01_web/fitxer/guggenheim.gif

I think I've just come to expect unspectacular buildings.

It's a massive waste of potential. It's THE gateway site in Leeds as far as i'm concerned, and Linfoot/Carey Jones have really messed it up. imagine if we'd had something like this instead...

http://www.getapad.co.uk/lettings/pBRANCH_9EDGE.jpg

or even...!

http://cv.uoc.es/~991_04_005_01_web/fitxer/guggenheim.gif

eeee, now that would be grand. I'm not sure - sure its the gateway into the west when you're on the train, but one swallow doesn't make a summer. All the Holbeck Urban Village developments will be on the right as you arrive. Globe Road will loom on your left and block out Whitehall Riverside. We haven't even seen the designs for Monksbridge Works which might give us cause to be happy. Haven't mentioned Tower Works or Granary Wharf yet either.

Suppose it doesn't excuse Whitehall Road. The finish on the new building is disappointing, but I have higher hopes for the multicoloured glass (formerly HAGOYH?) directly across from West Point. Riverside West (the first scheme) isn't bad - at least it curves and hugs the river and doesn't have any terracotta!

Shame we seem to be inundated with a raft of identikit office blocks at the moment, though as has been mentioned, the coloured block looks slightly more interesting. Certainly improving the density of this area though, and I have quite high hopes that Wellington Place across the road may look a bit better.

My gripe with Whitehall comes from looking at the site, coming into Leeds by train, for three years, and thinking "well, it'll look much better when Whitehall Riverside is built".

Now i look at the same site and find myself thinking "well, it'll look much better when West Central is built".

It shouldn't be like this! :gaah:

Linfoot are probably hoping that people will be so overjoyed at seeing such a huge tower in the area that the rest of the riverside is ignored....

Well, being honest it is the less exciting buildings that stand there now. There is that one with coloured glass, and the glass one with the metal- Im not sure of the numbers of each building. Wellington Place (where the square is) looks quite good I thought though...

The cobbetts building is actually looking a bit better now it's nearly finished. It's got some rather nice stone cladding on the train station side of the building, which is a big improvement on the grey platic stuff that covers most of the building.

The cobbetts building is actually looking a bit better now it's nearly finished. It's got some rather nice stone cladding on the train station side of the building, which is a big improvement on the grey platic stuff that covers most of the building.

eeeee, still not sure - really was disappointed when I saw it last, but hey ho, as you say, maybe it'll will get obscured by the further phases. I guess they might be moving in in the next month or so.

Apologies for such asinine comments, just returned from Scotland and still smarting at England getting nobbled in the tackle count by Scotland. Nuts.

I think more buildings here will take some of the attention away from the few buildings on the site at the moment which really are quite standalone. With more buildings is a wider range of styles and materials to break it all up. I don't think we should complain too much until the whole area is finished. With the other landmark developments close by it may well end up with the current buildings not ruining the area as they do at the moment (by some opinions). The buildings at the moment can be seen from all over the south and part of the west city; with more buildings it will hide them anyway.

I'm affraid I would have to agree with you jimbo about the cobbetts building. It's that grey plastic cladding that ruins the whole thing, and it's starting to become even more widespread than those terracotta tiles. The whole of the wellington street end of west point is clad in the same material giving it a profoundly cheap and nasty look. It's used on prince's exchange and I think it's also planned for the other buildings on whitehall road. If the material appears in any more applications, I'm going write a letter to the council to complain.

I was very disappointed to see the grey plastic, the prevalence of which is giving Leeds a very cheap image indeed. Wasn't sure about the stone/glass/plastic combination either. Come on, this is supposed to be a prime site.

Has anyone else ever wondered why the station dont build a larger multistorey and sell off some of the land currently occupied by their car park? Seems a heck of a lot of land to use just for parking, especially as it must be some of the most prime land for development around.

There is a plan for that land, and from the renderings we've seen so far it's rubish. It's probably just a concept though at this stage with no finalised designs or even outline applications (anyone know of any submission?). It's a great opportnity to create something really special that would possibly link with Granary wharf on the other side.

With a great piece of architecture there, and Criterion through the other end of the station, whichever direction you are travelling in from you should be able to get a good first impression of the city.
P.S Does anyone know what that white plastic cladded building is next to the station car park. (In among the buildings near where City Square House will be)?

P.S Does anyone know what that white plastic cladded building is next to the station car park. (In among the buildings near where City Square House will be)?

Do you mean this one? To my knowledge, it was the first office development on Whitehall Road, No.1 Whitehall.

http://www.mwbex.com/flexible_office_space/leeds/Assets/Images/Accommodation.jpg

This appears to be a concept for the car park site, although we've heard absolutely nothing about any proposed development on the site thus far.

http://www.idenby.co.uk/images/conceptual2.jpg

Yes, thats the one. I'm really not keen on the cladding at all. For some reason it just looks like it should be a hospital!
The station car park site deserves something really good, so hopefully thats why there's been a delay.

Yes, thats the one. I'm really not keen on the cladding at all. For some reason it just looks like it should be a hospital!
The station car park site deserves something really good, so hopefully thats why there's been a delay.

I quite like this building, clean and sharp. BTW it's clad in stone not plastic!

I quite like this building, clean and sharp. BTW it's clad in stone not plastic!

I'm a fan of it too.

http://www.picturesofengland.com/pictures/natural/Leeds_1108245393.jpg

Nice to see my visuals here too! I've done quite a few in and around Leeds.

Nice to see my visuals here too! I've done quite a few in and around Leeds.

So you're IDenby then? Better know as Iain Denby.

Well, without being insufferably sycophantic, as i often am, I think you're renderings are the best out there and works of art in their own right.

My only criticism would be the build quality of Carey Jones developments doesn't always measure up to the dazzling visuals, and the blue skies are none too frequent in real life!

So, is the design we've seen above ever going to happen in one form or another, or is it simply Wednesday training for the old airbrush?

http://www.idenby.co.uk/images/conceptual2.jpg

So you're IDenby then? Better know as Iain Denby.

Well, without being insufferably sycophantic, as i often am, I think you're renderings are the best out there and works of art in their own right.

My only criticism would be the build quality of Carey Jones developments doesn't always measure up to the dazzling visuals, and the blue skies are none too frequent in real life!

So, is the design we've seen above ever going to happen in one form or another, or is it simply Wednesday training for the old airbrush?

http://www.idenby.co.uk/images/conceptual2.jpg

Yes, that's me! Thank you for the compliment.This was a conceptual visual I did in Nov '04 to show part of the scheme designed for Kirksatll Valley. I'm just the messenger, so I have no idea if it's going ahead. One things for sure it won't be like the visual, as that was just to wet the apetite.

Wow...the one and only IDenby, I have long been a fan of your work. I would love to know how you get the textures of your glass so good, it always seems so realistic and full of life and activity whether it be a residential, commercial or office scheme. But trade secret I guess! :)

Goodness me, I had no idea I was famous! ;-)

I can understand you being familiar with my visuals (I've done a lot in and around leeds), but how do you know who I am?

I do them myself so I am very familiar with your work, all the stuff you've done for Carey Jones, Binks Vertical etc. You get quite a lot of coverage in PAD magazine too I remember reading an editorial about your company that you had published in there recently.

How did you come across this site?

I do them myself so I am very familiar with your work, all the stuff you've done for Carey Jones, Binks Vertical etc. You get quite a lot of coverage in PAD magazine too I remember reading an editorial about your company that you had published in there recently.

How did you come across this site?

I came across it from a link on another wbsite.

Who do you work for?

I'm an associate director of an up and coming architectural practise based in Sheffield. Prior to that I did a lot of the 3D visuals for the commercial arm of Bond Bryan architects, a big regional practise also based in Sheffield. I'm not a 3D Viz man by trade but got into it to compliment the main thing I do which is architecture.

Goodness me, I had no idea I was famous! ;-)

I can understand you being familiar with my visuals (I've done a lot in and around leeds), but how do you know who I am?

Fantastic! Welcome to the forum Iain. Crikey, we discovered your website probably 2 years ago and its been a great source of information for us here on the Leeds threads.

As Di Livio says, the high quality nature of the renders inc. Whitehall Riverside and Clarence Dock have been a real eyeopener for us and has whetted our appetite for what is being built at the moment.

I think I can quite fairly say most of us here are 'Happy Amateurs' when it comes to all things architecture and design, so its great to have someone on here who (like Larven, and Britannia before he left the Projects and Construction forum) are closely involved with many of the underlying projects.

Hope you find the rest of the Leeds thread informative and useful!

I certainly will frequent and enjoy this Forum (Bloody hell, it's painfully slow though). It's interesting to for me to see what my visualising competitors are up to too.

Most of the best projects I get to work on are for Carey Jones, which is why they appear on my website. Although, I do have to be careful and only publish something that I know has been in the public domain first.

I get so frustrated when I see a development like the George Whimpy scheme off Globe Road being illustrated with rubbish visuals (IMO). A scheme that size deserves better...blimey, there must have been the budget!

I noticed a photograph showing the office develoment nearing completion on Whitehall Riverside. It clearly shows the problem they're having with the Lookalike panels. Notice the interference patterns? They're having to change them with a darker colour behind the fritting to get rid of it.

Looking bland, grey and boring as ever...

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/save_mejebus/Whitehall%20Riverside%2007-04-06/WRbw.jpg

...even with colour it doesn't seem to make much difference

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/save_mejebus/Whitehall%20Riverside%2007-04-06/WR.jpg

I prefer it in black and white :)

Eurgh, whoever thought it would be a good idea to make a building grey?

Although the architecture isnt great, I'm pretty impressed with the public space :)

It needs a bit of life; the architecture is a bit boring but not exaclty 'ugly'. If it was busier and livlier it would improve the feel of the area.

oh, that gray plastic cladding, its so, so, so cheap and uninspiring. Bugger. Dibber's rendering made it look much nicer. Disappointment, lets hope the remainder of Whitehall Road will actually look somewhat nicer. The multicoloured glass block with the curved tower looks great. At TCS's current development rate it might be completed by 2015!

The thing with this grey cladding, is that it looks so dull on a dull day, but when it catches the light on a sunny day it really has some 'zing'...and that's how I choose to render it. Always sunny, shiny and happy on my visuals!

yes but grey is such a bad colour for the uk....
The development is not ugly but completely unadventurous , there seems to be no relationship to the canal it could be anywhere to be honest as do the materials used on the buildings.

Eurgh, whoever thought it would be a good idea to make a building grey?

Whoever built and designed the Royal Armouries ! It's better inside than outside !

Whoever built and designed the Royal Armouries ! It's better inside than outside !

I don't mind The Armouries being battleship grey, it's quite apt I think. I also love the fortress like presence it has. I agree about the interior it was such a suprise the first time I went, Light bright and Airy.

As regard to other grey builings is it time to say enough, as with the case of those teracotta tiles?

The Armouries is uninspiring but not objectionable, using building materials of a decent quality: plenty of good old polished granite

The Armouries is uninspiring but not objectionable, using building materials of a decent quality: plenty of good old polished granite


Uninspiring - yes it is. It should have been so much better considering it is such an iconic building. Seems to be a recurring theme in Leeds unfortunately.

Drill rig and JCB are working on the car park inbetween Whitehall Waterfront & Whitehall Road today.

Drill rig and JCB are working on the car park inbetween Whitehall Waterfront & Whitehall Road today.

what building could this be?

Drill rig and JCB are working on the car park inbetween Whitehall Waterfront & Whitehall Road today.

sounds like the 7 storey office block at the back of the apartment block. Ahmedd mentioned something about it getting planning permission a while back and maybe it seems TCS are deciding to build speculatively, especially as it seems the smallest and plainest of the Whitehall Road blocks, its probably the cheapest the build. Current hiatus on Whitehall Road and Wellington Place means I'm happy for any action whatsoever.

I was there yesterday and it would appear the rig was being removed - I'll check again today.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Kesaph/Whitehall2May06.jpg

sounds like the 7 storey office block at the back of the apartment block. Ahmedd mentioned something about it getting planning permission a while back and maybe it seems TCS are deciding to build speculatively, especially as it seems the smallest and plainest of the Whitehall Road blocks, its probably the cheapest the build. Current hiatus on Whitehall Road and Wellington Place means I'm happy for any action whatsoever.

Interestingly there's current a planning application notice posted adjacent to this site for a 7 storey office block. Seems to suggest they don't yet have permission.....but a good sign that the next phase will soon begin.

There's also a notice further along Whitehall Road, towards the Novotel, for a single storey coffee bar.

Probably end up being Starbucks or somin.. (I don't really mind Starbucks, but there are enough of them!). Progreso hasn't got to Leeds yet- maybe it might be them.

Probably end up being Starbucks or somin.. (I don't really mind Starbucks, but there are enough of them!). Progreso hasn't got to Leeds yet- maybe it might be them.

Does anyone know what the Indie Joze coffee shop is like on York Place?

quiet...but good

Does anyone know what the Indie Joze coffee shop is like on York Place?

Used to be my local when I worked across the road along with baby jupiter. It's a bit off the beaten track but a nice spot for the locals, which there are now more of with all the apartments springing up on York Place.

Source - YEP 10/08/06

Number One sale reflects city boom
THE Leeds property boom is continuing with the sale of a recently completed city centre block at a price of more than £60m.
Town Centre Securities PLC, advised jointly by Jones Lang LaSalle, Hill Woolhouse and Savills, has sold No 1 Whitehall Riverside to New Star Asset Management for a price in excess of £60m.
Completion
No 1 Whitehall Riverside, which was completed in April this year, is the second phase of the seven-acre Whitehall Riverside scheme under development by Town Centre Securities in the emerging West End of Leeds, situated a short walk from both the railway station and city's retail facilities.
The building comprises approximately 12,032 sq m (129,514 sq ft) of Grade A flexible office accommodation with an ancillary restaurant. The property is more than 80 per cent let to three tenants: Cobbetts Solicitors, Grant Thornton and Mellon Analytical Solutions on 20-year leases from March 2006 at rents of £24.00 psf.
The remaining space has a two- year vendor rental guarantee.
The entire property produces a total rental income in the region of £3.24m per annum.
Edward Ziff, chairman and chief executive of Town Centre Securities PLC said: "We are delighted to have undertaken this stunning new office development. It is a tribute to the quality of the development that we achieved three substantial pre-lets long before practical completion.
"This is, however, only the second phase of our masterplan which should see the future development of a further 400,000 sq ft over the next few years.
"There is no doubt that Whitehall Riverside is considered a superb office location, of equal interest to occupiers and investors alike."
Mathew Atkinson, associate director of investment said: "No 1 Whitehall Riverside is one of the largest office transactions in Leeds ever.
"The level of interest and price achieved clearly demonstrate the quality of the building, its excellent location and the appetite from investors for prime office investments in the Leeds market."

10 August 2006

thanks oil. well, if they've managed to get a good price for that site, there's nothing stopping them cracking on with the next block or two. They'd better get a move on else HBG will steal their thunder and deliver a huge new scheme just down the road.

They are due to start on the 7 storey office in front of the Whitehall Quays residential block, they got full permission for it last month, have done test drillings, and intend to start soon.

They are due to start on the 7 storey office in front of the Whitehall Quays residential block, they got full permission for it last month, have done test drillings, and intend to start soon.

Are there any decent renders anywhere as to what this seven storey office block will look like. At least its good that more of Whitehall Riverside is getting done at last though it has taken a hugely long time to construct and would just wish they would move at a higher pace of construction. Was the first phase of this development of that white building with green windows completed way back in 1997 or was I thinking of something else and is the plan for a thirty storey tower here now axed?

Are there any decent renders anywhere as to what this seven storey office block will look like.

There were some renders at the city centre plans panel meeting when it got permission, but I don't know whether they've been properly released. Rob might know. From what I remember it was quite different from the rest of the Whitehall Riverside development, certainly at that end - a simple glass and steel structure, almost Simpsonesque in its cladding.

Are there any decent renders anywhere as to what this seven storey office block will look like. At least its good that more of Whitehall Riverside is getting done at last though it has taken a hugely long time to construct and would just wish they would move at a higher pace of construction. Was the first phase of this development of that white building with green windows completed way back in 1997 or was I thinking of something else and is the plan for a thirty storey tower here now axed?

I've done one!

It's a big glass box, but I can't show it until I know it's been released to the public.

and is the plan for a thirty storey tower here now axed?

I think it was, but I'd like to be told otherwise. The development needs to atone for the blandness of the last block.

I've done one!

It's a big glass box, but I can't show it until I know it's been released to the public.

as far as I'm aware this is the revised scheme with the funky multicoloured block behind the new build office opposite West Point:

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/3631/whitehallriverside6ts.jpg

the block we're talking about seems pretty non-descript and is hidden behind the main apartment building. Go one Dibbers, give us a clue - its got pp and we know they've done the initial drilling and soil testing.........

do you know whether this is the final version of the scheme or whether it will be revised further? There's no 30 storey resi tower, but I can count about 20 floors in the middle section.

as far as I'm aware this is the revised scheme with the funky multicoloured block behind the new build office opposite West Point:

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/3631/whitehallriverside6ts.jpg

the block we're talking about seems pretty non-descript and is hidden behind the main apartment building. Go one Dibbers, give us a clue - its got pp and we know they've done the initial drilling and soil testing.........

do you know whether this is the final version of the scheme or whether it will be revised further? There's no 30 storey resi tower, but I can count about 20 floors in the middle section.

Can't show it I'm afraid...I might be stealing TCS' thunder if I do. You'll have to wait!

It's a glass box with an atrium. Different coloured lookalike panels and a bit of silver cladding.

When I forst did the aerial visual, it was proposed at the time that Ian Simpson was doing the tower. I've no idea what the situation is with it now.

I think that the rumoured 30 storey tower is possibly Lumiere- now obviously 54/29 (or 31/2?) storeys. Well I dont know, but I wouldnt be suprised if it was- It could be.

Also, Whitehall Riverside will be quite densley packed, should be good though! The new buildings will provide interest among the buildings.

Dibbers, on a scale of 1-10, how much do you feel like doing a skyline render :D

The proposed 30 st tower was for the Whitehall scheme (Lumiere is a totally seperate project). However, it was a long time ago and may have been scaled down by now.

They showed drawing elevations and plans of the 7 storey office block, it was quite non-discript, just a plain block with a lot of glazing similar perhaps to the Whitehall 2 block (not the latest one just completing).

Watching progress on Whitehall Riverside is as absorbing as watching paint dry but there's a tiny flurry of activity, possibly, maybe.....

Anyway, this Thursday's meeting of the City Centre Plans Panel will be considering Town Centre Securities' application to build a footbridge across the River Aire. The bridge is part of the Section 106 agreement between the developers and the City Council and it will start near to the Linfoot flats at the western end of the site. Rather oddly, it will then bring the pedestrian back to earth on the scrappy "island" that separates the river from the Leeds Liverpool Canal just before the station. According to the presentation going to the panel meeting, funding from Harrow Estates (the Green Bank developers) will provide a continuation to the bridge, over the canal, to Globe Road.

From the description, it sounds as though the bridge will look very much like the one in this render:


http://www.idenby.co.uk/images/photomontage1.jpg


Strangely enough, though, there's no mention of any plans to tidy up the "island" which, at the moment, is a wasteland of brambles.

The bridge has been approved.:)

Anyone know where the Ha Goyh are moving to? A friend who works there says they are moving to what has been dubbed 'the Latrines'.

Talking about bridges hasn't anyone noticed an obviously temporary looking bridge has been placed over the Leeds Liverpool Canal next to the Green Bank offices is it something to do with that development or is a more permanent bridge been put into place here.

Also when is construction of (i think) 9 storey building behind the Whitehall building where the Linfoot gallery is due to start is that where GOY&H and the HA will relocate to or will this be another building perhaps next to that newest part of the scheme of that glass building next to the substation (and what is in that building)?

Anyone know where the Ha Goyh are moving to? A friend who works there says they are moving to what has been dubbed 'the Latrines'.

Lateral? As part of City Walk. I thought we established this ages ago - we thought HAGOYH was going to take the Whitehall Riverside building (colourful glass fronted thing) http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/6532/whitehallriver20xb.jpg
more
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1629/whitehall34uw.jpg

but........ wasn't it then confirmed that they ended up in 'Lateral', one of last phases of City Walk. Thought that was the case - but boy, love the building above, shame Town Centre Securities are only going one at a time.

As ValVerde says, I think the next phase is a non-descript 7 storey office block behind the Whitehall apartments.

Great news on the bridge - need for connectively across the river and canal here to help stimulate growth and flow of people.

Lateral? As part of City Walk. I thought we established this ages ago

Government Office will be vacating City House and their Queen Street office in January or early February. Quarmby are already working on Lateral in preparation for the move.

Government Office will be vacating City House and their Queen Street office in January or early February. Quarmby are already working on Lateral in preparation for the move.

hence 'latrines' maybe? this is a game of word association football :lol:

06/04682/FU
Town Centre Securities PLC
11 storey office block (elevational changes to previous approval 20/192/04/FU)
1 Whitehall Riverside Whitehall Road Leeds LS1 1BN
Approved
9 November 2006

????

this is a game of word association football :lol:

Word soccer? :?

06/04682/FU
Town Centre Securities PLC
11 storey office block (elevational changes to previous approval 20/192/04/FU)
1 Whitehall Riverside Whitehall Road Leeds LS1 1BN
Approved
9 November 2006

????


Ok, I'm extremely confused now. I'm not sure whether this is changes to an exisiting block or a brand new block. The application refers to a previously accepted application from 2004 for a part 10 storey part 12 storey block,
approved 29/07/04.
To add confusion, I then found this on TCS site.

---Detailed design work has now commenced for the next office building fronting Whitehall Road and we are again actively seeking tenants for this prestigious and striking building of over 100,000 sqft. Detailed planning consents has also been achieved for a small building at the western end of the site, comprising 60,000 sqft known as No.7 Whitehall Road. ----

I dont quite know whats what, but there was somone doing some digging there the other day, next to the Novotel, but I dont know if thats a plot or not..........................:nuts:

It's probably a new block if it 'fronts' Whitehall Road.

The slice of land between the Novotel and the new CareyJones designed building that has just gone up, isn't, as for as I'm aware, up for being built on - something to do with the power company who runs the electric station (whatever it is) on that site.
It may get landscaped but it won'tget built on AIUI.

I'm sure No 1 will be where the coloured 10/12 storey block was going,
and No 7 is the one in front of the existing 16 storey resi tower.

Isn't this "No.1 Whitehall" ?
http://www.mwbex.com/serviced_office_locations/imgs/loc_leeds.jpg

That is 'No. 1 Whitehall', I think the newer developments are called 'Whitehall Riverside'.

Hmm, then I would have thought the new CJA building would be number 1 as it is on the waterfront. The only other option therefore (AIUI) is that it is what will be built on Whitehall Rd next to the Novotel in front of the CJA building (what the hell is it's official name anyway!?).

See old renders...
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/3631/whitehallriverside6ts.jpg

That was the highways agency (HAGOYH) building wasn't it? I thought they had decided on locating elsewhere. Great if this one is back on the agenda though as it was the best of the whitehall road developments

06/04682/FU
Town Centre Securities PLC
11 storey office block (elevational changes to previous approval 20/192/04/FU)
1 Whitehall Riverside Whitehall Road Leeds LS1 1BN
Approved
9 November 2006

????

please please pretty please be this one:

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/6532/whitehallriver20xb.jpg

I thought that they had secured planning permission for the little storey block behind the apartment block and KW Linfoot's main offices?

okay, this makes sense:
---Detailed design work has now commenced for the next office building fronting Whitehall Road and we are again actively seeking tenants for this prestigious and striking building of over 100,000 sqft. Detailed planning consents has also been achieved for a small building at the western end of the site, comprising 60,000 sqft known as No.7 Whitehall Road. --
the 'small building' must be the 7 storey block, and it seems that this 'office building fronting Whitehall Road', must be the multicoloured beauty above.

Interestingly the office update in last weeks Estates Gazette reports Leeds property rents are due to hit £30sq ft, and that there is only around 300,000sq ft of vacant space in the City Centre (Wellington Place?, Clarence Dock, Bank House?!?) which is expected to be utilised by Q1 2007. TCS might finally be making a break for cover and cracking on with their existing pipeline.

I'm sure No 1 will be where the coloured 10/12 storey block was going,
and No 7 is the one in front of the existing 16 storey resi tower.

should have read Rob's post first! I think we've all reached the same conclusions here! Interesting that they are digging around in front of the new building, but could be just landscaping for the moment?

@ Talisker, HAGOYH (Government Office) have gone (are going) to Lateral in City Walk. TCS missed out I guess because they hadn't made a start on what appears to now be called 1 Whitehall Riverside in time - face it, if they start Q1 next year, won't be complete until Q2-3 2008 I'd wager.

I think it would be of benefit if the council planning website was more like Sheffield's, whereby renders etc are all available and easy to access. I know the council will say everything is available in the Leonardo building, but for those of us outside Leeds it is quite frustrating.

Back on topic, if it is the coloured building then thats great news, that and Lumiere going up in that area will look fantastic.

Even Flow there is a definite variety in online planning provision between councils - each with there own systems, conventions as to what they put up.

I find Leeds' a bit underdone for your average application but if something makes it onto the plans panel (I take this isn't everything? Just ones of general interest/controversy) then more stuff is available - though not renders.

I know of someone in the planning dept and I think he is trying to make it so such details are available in future - but I've no idea on time frames.

The new public access feature is good, as well as being able to back track any older applications easily, you can go on to the map (which has detailed plots of all buildings) and click on any building plot and it lists all the planning applications that site has had. Brilliant.

The new public access feature is good, as well as being able to back track any older applications easily, you can go on to the map (which has detailed plots of all buildings) and click on any building plot and it lists all the planning applications that site has had. Brilliant.

So is it working already, or you had a sneak preview?

Oh yes, it's working fine, has been for a few weeks now.

Two panoramas of the whitehall road area:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j73/xapbpoh/WHITEHALL_WIDE2.jpg


http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j73/xapbpoh/WHITEHALLWIDE1.jpg

Can anyone see the first photo or is it just my browser?

You mean this photo? Now we can :) Nice shots mate!

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j73/xapbpoh/WHITEHALL_WIDE2.jpg

You mean this photo? Now we can :) Nice shots mate!

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j73/xapbpoh/WHITEHALL_WIDE2.jpg

still a car park though - harrrumh!

Come on Town Centre Securities, get a Ziff on!:banana:

had this theory for a while, see what you think.

the most recent office to be built on whitehall riverside, the one with the curving wall of aluminium. has this wall of cladding been built as a reflection of the cladding on bridgewater place's curved wall which is in directly opposite it on the other side of the river/ train track?

other wise i really do not understand the need for this cladding on what i feel is an acceptable mostly glass building which suits the river side.it really brings the building down when viewed from the station.

just a thought!

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/save_mejebus/Whitehall%20Riverside%2007-04-06/WR.jpg[/QUOTE]

the strange grey thing sticking out!

still a car park though - harrrumh!

Come on Town Centre Securities, get a Ziff on!:banana:

Has anybody heard any rumours on timescales for construction starting on the carpark site? Seems to be moving sooo damb slowly :(

the most recent office to be built on whitehall riverside, the one with the curving wall of aluminium. has this wall of cladding been built as a reflection of the cladding on bridgewater place's curved wall which is in directly opposite it on the other side of the river/ train track?


Isn't plastic cheaper than glass? That's probably the reason. The rendering made it look like distressed steel. I don't know why CJ didn't just build replicas of Princess Exchange all the way down the riverside.

Has anybody heard any rumours on timescales for construction starting on the carpark site? Seems to be moving sooo damb slowly :(

we only know what is posted on here, which comes from Council bulletins etc. PP is given for the 7 storey, and the 10/11 storey glass thing directly opposite West Point also seems to be going in for permission. That lasts for 5 years, so hopefully something will be happening down the line. TCS are too small to really spec build the whole scheme, so unsurprisingly they are probably hoping for pre-lets. They might have enough behind them to spec build one building, and probably need to otherwise HBG will steal a march at Monksbridge works.

Pretty, prettaay vile.

http://static.flickr.com/104/295657460_ebcadad7a1_o.jpg

I have to admit (for once), that's not good! Not good architectural detailing at all compared to the conceptual images.

http://www.idenby.co.uk/images/photoartistic7.jpg

Can we get a photo that matches up with the render Rob has provided? It's not fair to judge it from the shot above which isn't shown on the render...

I think that's half the problem. The rendering shows the nice glass side of the building and hides the vast wall of grey aluminium panels. I think this material should be banned, at least when it's used to this extent. It just represents a "that'll do" approach to contruction. It does the job at the minimum of cost, but has no architectural merit. I feel really let down by this building.

Pretty, prettaay vile.
Bit of Larry David going on there di Liv?

As for the building, meh. Or as Jeff would say: that's a whole bucket of wrong!

I want to know how we can go from this...

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g257/Beever_2006/P1010095.jpg

to this, on the same building...?

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g257/Beever_2006/295657460_ebcadad7a1_o.jpg

I agree it is quite baffling why what could be quite a decent building especially seen with the glass part is ruined with the really poor grey plastic part of this building. Wonder why they couldn't just do it all glass? Also that render is certainly misleading as it appears aluminium as opposed to the cheap and nasty plastic look they used in the end. Finally when did this scheme start (was it 1999 perhaps with the White building with green windows on Whitehall Road?) and is the next phase actually going to start soon?

No that stuff is aluminium though. It's anodised, so it looks dull and like plastic

All aluminium used in building is anodised (I would have thought); if it wasnt it would be ridiculously dangerous.

I wonder if the photo is taken 'out of context', ie if it was taken from a little further along the canal at a different angle then some of the glass would also be visible. This angle takes in only the grey bit on it's own.

I wonder if the photo is taken 'out of context', ie if it was taken from a little further along the canal at a different angle then some of the glass would also be visible. This angle takes in only the grey bit on it's own.

Unfortunately this angle is the side that most people will see looking at the riverside coming out from the train station entrance.

Generally don't most buildings have their 'nice side' facing the river?

Bit of Larry David going on there di Liv?

As for the building, meh. Or as Jeff would say: that's a whole bucket of wrong!

Well spotted. ;)
Larry's reaction to the anodised aluminium cladding:

http://www.nonstuff.com/wp-content/larryshrug.jpg

Wow, the other side resembles Princese Exchange but without the ribbed steel between window panes.

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http://www.lookingafterleeds.com/images/l_PrincesEx.jpg

I agree it is quite baffling why what could be quite a decent building especially seen with the glass part is ruined with the really poor grey plastic part of this building. Wonder why they couldn't just do it all glass? Also that render is certainly misleading as it appears aluminium as opposed to the cheap and nasty plastic look they used in the end. Finally when did this scheme start (was it 1999 perhaps with the White building with green windows on Whitehall Road?) and is the next phase actually going to start soon?

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g257/Beever_2006/295657460_ebcadad7a1_o.jpg


I'm sorry folks but enough is enough!This cheap hideous 'plastic' thing going on in Leeds has got to come to an end.

The report in the YEP yesterday calling for a discussion into the building of new skyscrapers in Leeds, is hardly surprising when some buildings are ill-thought out. We have enough 'gray' in the sky's above us without making us all feel even more depressed with this cheap gray cladding. Glass 'kissing' towers yes, more gray cladding NO.:ohno:

AGAINST GRAY CLADDING

*GREY!

I think its misleading as renders make it out to be aluminium or steel cladding. I like both of those. If it was a continuous (non gridded), metallic cladding it would look good.

Seems like you lucky kids are going to get even more of this gray cladding that you love so much

http://www.cobbetts.co.uk/onthemove/images/leeds/2.jpg

The building on the right is No1 Whitehall Riverside

I'm sorry folks but enough is enough!This cheap hideous 'plastic' thing going on in Leeds has got to come to an end.

The report in the YEP yesterday calling for a discussion into the building of new skyscrapers in Leeds, is hardly surprising when some buildings are ill-thought out. We have enough 'gray' in the sky's above us without making us all feel even more depressed with this cheap gray cladding. Glass 'kissing' towers yes, more gray cladding NO.:ohno:


:applause:

I certainly agree with Smartcity. What's just as bad in my view, is the cheapo cement render-stuff they're intending to put on the other Whitehall building in Jebus's rendering.


Life's a beach...in the city
LEEDS is to become the first city in the UK to have an "urban beach".
Developers are planning to transform the muddy banks of the River Aire into a public area complete with a sandy beach, volleyball courts and seating.
The Wellington Place project – to be located near the Yorkshire Evening Post building – will make Leeds the only UK inland city to boast a beach similar to the one on the banks of the River Seine in Paris.
The Green Room by MEPC will also feature an outdoor sculpture area with oversized living room furniture such as a television, table, sofa and a lamp.
And with its south-west facing plot on the river bank behind Wellington Street at Northern Street, the sunny spot will be a clear winner with sun seekers.
Rick de Blaby, chief executive of MEPC, said this would be the start of Leeds's "urban quarter".
He said: "Our vision is to create the definitive new urban quarter for Leeds of the highest quality. We especially want to create a fantastic public domain so it will be a great place to live and work and enjoy all of the associated amenities that we will be bringing forward. The beach is simply taking advantage of the opportunity where we have a south-west-facing part of the river bank with no buildings alongside it.
"If we can give Leeds a beach then that differentiates it from everywhere else."
If planning approval is secured then The Green Room project could be underway with volleyball and five-a-side football in place by the end of next year.
The beach will take longer to construct said Mr de Blaby: "Wellington Place is an eight-to-10-year project but we want to get people on the site before that to have fun."
The projects are the brainchild of US landscape architect Martha Schwartz, who is working with Leeds-based firm Carey Jones and Feilden Clegg Bradley in Bath.
Wellington Place is a 22-acre site, part of which is currently home to the Aireside Retail Park. The complex will also be home to up to 800 houses and apartments, shops, restaurants and a hotel. Up to 20,000 people could live and work at the site.
Fifty years ago the site was home to Leeds Central railway station, before it was relocated to its current position opposite City Square.
02 December 2006


Martha Scwatz was involved in Coventry's Millennium Square project.

http://www.rudi.net/files/images/arches-millenntry-phoenix.jpg

Bah. Wrong thread. :ohno:

Wow, the other side resembles Princese Exchange but without the ribbed steel between window panes.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g257/Beever_2006/P1010095.jpg
http://www.lookingafterleeds.com/images/l_PrincesEx.jpg

It would do - exactly the same architect designed them :D

Possibly some good news, possibly not................... Two large new boards have gone up on site, one for the mystery 8 storey block infront of the residential blocks, ( render shown below which I'm not sure we've seen before?), and one on the ptach of new grass advertising the coloured block. WHether it not these boards are to suggest a start or whether they are trying to attract tenants first remains to be seen. Hopefully they'll build the two blocks concurrently spectulatively, but it remains to be seen.

Apologies about the awful photo, if anyone is wandering past any time soon they may wish to take some better ones!

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3514/wr1ku1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Ah, here you go chaps.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/idenby/7whitehall.jpg

Ah, here you go chaps.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/idenby/7whitehall.jpg


Looks like more grey tiling - joy.

An unoffensive addition... but why the unnecessary blocks of gunmetal grey areas on the office blocks down this neck of the woods? Why not just glaze the whole frontage?

An unoffensive addition... but why the unnecessary blocks of gunmetal grey areas on the office blocks down this neck of the woods? Why not just glaze the whole frontage?

good point, well made. Inoffensive it is, and will be smaller than all the surrounding buildings, hence not at all noticeable. The only thing it really adds is a bit of bulk.

But the multicoloured block opposite West Central, well, that's just a bit special. Or it is on dibbers' renderings. Will it really turn out that well......

thanks for the render dibbers, and well spotted evenflow! Good to see a little bit of positive movement on this site. Perhaps the imminent planning permission for Wellington Place has focused TCS's minds.

So whens it going to start?

So whens it going to start?

how on earth do we know? I'm going on news from the developers (Town Centre Securities) main website - and I can't find any announcement regarding a start on site yet. http://www.tcs-plc.com/ have a nosy.

I suspect that they are looking for a pre-let first, as they did with the most recent glass block next to Whitehall Quays.

Ah, here you go chaps.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/idenby/7whitehall.jpg

Arrgh grey plastic yet again. :bash: Whilst the main glass element looks good why do TCS / Carey Jones have to insist on using this cladding in places. At least its not as extensive as No1 Whitehall but why couldn't they use something else like stone or marble? Surely potential tenants would like quality materials on their buildings to encourage a sense of business that is high quality. Hope this will start in the next few months though to see some development at this end of town alongside Greenbank, Monkbridge and Wellington Place. How many phases are there to go after the construction of this and the rotund colourful building?

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Arrgh grey plastic yet again. :bash:

It's nearly all glass, you can't complain at that. It looks pretty good and flashy to me whilst being fairly neutral. It'll contrast with all the red and beige of the neighbouring residential blocks too.

yuk. Fits in though..ha!

Yep, they are definitely cutting back on grey plastic. Maybe its time is over? So what's gonna be a next big thing in Leeds? Zink or Car-ten?

its a small and insignificant block in the context of its surroundings.

if this comes out as well as dibbers has rendered it, then I'm sure we'll all be happy.

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/6532/whitehallriver20xb.jpg

thats quite respectable considering the rest of the place, could well be because of Wellington place.Plus the council being fed up with shamm.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/129/338207361_c59950a302_o.jpg

its a small and insignificant block in the context of its surroundings.

if this comes out as well as dibbers has rendered it, then I'm sure we'll all be happy.

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/6532/whitehallriver20xb.jpg

There's been a tweak to the design since I did this one. Not seen it in public, so can't show you it.

Could you describe it at all? Or at least say whether its a good, exciting design or boring/cheap...

Could you describe it at all? Or at least say whether its a good, exciting design or boring/cheap...

The underside if the rectangular coloured glass area has dropped a floor and the yellow block on the right is d-grey.

^^ That sounds worse :ohno:

...and the yellow block on the right is d-grey.

I thought we agreed that no more grey for Leeds? :doh:

STOP PRESS: toy town district takes shape

If it's dark grey brick, I think it will look a lot better compared to yellow brick, however if it's grey panels, then it can go to hell.

The underside if the rectangular coloured glass area has dropped a floor and the yellow block on the right is d-grey.

Aargh! This was the one building on Whitehall Riverside that I quite liked. Sadly it appears that Carey Jones have had to get their trademark grey plastic cladding incorporated.

The Whitehall Riverside and West Point area really is an architectural embarrassment. I would love the whole lot to be flattened and started again by some decent architects. I hope that Carey Jones are thoroughly ashamed of their involvement.

I cannot for the life of me understand how CJ manage to get new commissions after the West Point debacle, although having said that as they recycle the same lego block plastic design for every building, they must be damned cheap! :rant:

You could say the same for Ian Simpson who recycles the same design for every building. From ground level, its not too bad I dont think.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35292694@N00/346768893/


bit of time in between buses again today so had a little wonder. Came across this. looks like it is the new render.

did this wrong aswell!!!!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/148/346768893_70065eac1d.jpg?v=0

Dibbers... can you now post it up on the forum for us all to have a better peak now its in the public domain?? would be most appreciated!

It looks ok to me! And it looks larger...

The Large glass block appears to have gained one floor at the expense of the podium block, so I'm assuming the height will be about the same.

Here you go guys

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/idenby/whitehall1a.jpg

Dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear. :ohno: Why the grey cladding yet again althought the glass at ground floor is an improvement I much prefered the cylindrical section when it was yellow and that would have added variety to this overtly grey plastic development. Why did they change the design anyway and are Town Centre Securities / Carey Jones members of the British Association for the Promotion of Grey Plastic Architecture (BAPGPA)? :|

The one good thing about Carey Jones is that they always manage to get quality glazing, no matter how shoddy the design. As this has so much glazing, I think it'll be okay.

Subliving.

Dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear. :ohno: Why the grey cladding yet again althought the glass at ground floor is an improvement I much prefered the cylindrical section when it was yellow and that would have added variety to this overtly grey plastic development. Why did they change the design anyway and are Town Centre Securities / Carey Jones members of the British Association for the Promotion of Grey Plastic Architecture (BAPGPA)? :|

Suppose it's all a matter of taste, really. If the yellow section you like so much, there would have been protests from those who didn't like the yellow/beige tiles to be found on Blue at Granary Wharf. For my part, I prefer the fact that the rather closed-in podium has been opened up with the extra glazing. And I think it's a bit hard to suppose that Carey Jones are the only architects to use that grey cladding - I suspect the economy demanded by developers is the real culprit here.

Well in this case, I would suggest that the grey cladding is better because it no longer competes with the coloured glass.

I like the white elements a lot - if they are made with quality materials, will look great. Massive glass frontage is impressive as well. And there's not that much of grey - I think I can live with it. Overall a quality addition to Whitehall.

Thanks for posting a render Dibbers!

Here are the images to amke comparison easier

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/6532/whitehallriver20xb.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/idenby/whitehall1a.jpg

I like the new (lower) look better. More of the big glass 'window' effect with the coloured panels. I hope this starts soon, it'll be a great addition, good to see the advertisement boards up. I'm sure it'll be popular and they'll have a pre-let soon.

good lord, back to the bad old days of architecture in the 60's and 70's if you ask me

Here are the images to amke comparison easier

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/6532/whitehallriver20xb.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/idenby/whitehall1a.jpg

clearly the quality of the grey element at the end will make or break this. We've been duped by good renders before, and then let down by the actual finish - think the recently completed Whitehall riverside block!

Generally, I think the redesign is fine, makes sense to drop the podium down and maximise space, and as aviator mentioned, the glass finish instead of yellow bricks with striped windows circulating around the base looks more sensible. If the coloured cladding can be brought off in manner close to the renders then I think this will be a sensible addition to the estate.

wonder if the back of the building has changed - this is sepia, but presume the main design hasn't actually changed hugely. dibbers, any chance of an updated version of this view from the canalpath?

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1629/whitehall34uw.jpg

I'm not sure we'll see a start soon, from experience, mainly as TCS haven't built much without a committed pre-let, and also because they have landscaped the Whitehall Road frontage with marked roadways and freshly laid turf which seems a bit pointless if they were about to rip it up again and start construction anytime soon.

[QUOTE=jimbo; dibbers, any chance of an updated version of this view from the canalpath?
[/QUOTE]

I didn't do another visual of this side, so not sure if anything else changed.

I spotted this the other week during one of my canalside wanderings. For the life of me, I can't think who the sculptor is but I know there was some discussion of his work in the Leeds forum a few months ago. I don't care for the piece myself but others may be more appreciative, and I suppose we should be glad that a developer is willing to shell out for some public art.



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Yeah - went to see the recent exibition by the same artist who's name once again escapes me. Di Livio knows his name. Anyway, the mayor was very enthused about having a landmark (the artist in question is from Yorkshire and raised the possibility of a Leeds landmark), although I fear he'd be more biased towards a hideously tall owl....

..

[QUOTE=Liam;11547431]Di Livio knows his name. QUOTE]

Indeed I do, Richard Hudson.

Is it really necessary to moon at rail passengers as they approach the city centre?

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/29%20Jan%202007/P1010026.jpg?t=1170154094

:lol:

My mate told me a 'true story' about a guy in Newcastle who surely regretted his decision to moon in public.

A group of girls had been walking down the street outside his house. As they passed, he called out to them from the first floor window "Fancy some of this, girls?", and flaunted his arse.
Unfortunately, he then fell out of the window onto some five foot metal railings and was impaled with his trousers round his ankles!

.....I wonder if they fancied some?

Actually, the only thing I don't like about the sculpture is that it's on a thick square base of the same material - it makes it look as though it could easily be picked up and moved, rather than being a permanent fixture.

His exibition was really good - it would of been great to see a landmark created by a talented Yorkshire artist. Still, I think there are still plans for a landmark, albeit not this particular artist.....

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/idenby/7whitehall.jpg

The hoardings that were on the site of this have gone. However, I'm not sure whether they blew down or whether a start is actually on the horizon. Sadly, the hoardings remained on the site of the coloured block, so nothing seems to be progressing there yet.

Riverside walk at Whitehall - a study.



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Nice Photo Fred ! How tall are you ?

Nice Photo Fred ! How tall are you ?

5 ft 11 ins.

I got down on my haunches to take that picture !

To add to Fred's fabulous picture, I love that view, some of my own from a similar viewpoint.

Three Funnels

http://www.gallerynorth.co.uk/forum/Riverside 1.jpg

Sunset at No1 Whitehall Riverside

http://www.gallerynorth.co.uk/forum/Riverside 2.jpg

Riverside Apartments

http://www.gallerynorth.co.uk/forum/Riverside 3.jpg

Looking towards The City

http://www.gallerynorth.co.uk/forum/Riverside 4.jpg

Once again ! great photos GN :banana:

Splendid photos GN !

Rus in urbe



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White this has made a comback. There is a lot of work going on opposite the Lumiere site on another unit. Again, it is HBG that are doing it. I wish they would update there bloody website!!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/idenby/7whitehall.jpg

The hoardings that were on the site of this have gone. However, I'm not sure whether they blew down or whether a start is actually on the horizon. Sadly, the hoardings remained on the site of the coloured block, so nothing seems to be progressing there yet.

I never spotted this one the first time round but the hoardings are back up; Number 7 Whitehall is what it will be called. So TCS are now advertising this and Number 2 (the multicoloured one at the other end of their site) with diddly squat actually happening. Ho hum.

This illustrates my frustration with this site. A nice glossy advertising board showing quite a lot of detail (note the footbridge over the river) which, along with the lovely renders (courtesy of Dibbers) of what's to be built, makes you think that there's some activity about to happen.



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Then, next to this you find an application for renewal of permission to operate the site as car parking for the next three years. Oh dear :bash:

It really is incredibly mad just how unbelievably long Town Centre Securities have taken with Whitehall Riverside especially as its coming up to 10 years since the development had first taken started with that white building near the station. Also how come was it that those earlier phases including the Novotel and the Whitehall Quays apartments had seemed to have been done in a much quicker time than the rest of this development?

To get this scheme moving forward why can't TCS just go into partnership with someone else who would actually proceed with developing this scheme at a faster rate than a sloth? :bash: :bash: Would we see this scheme completed after Green Bank, Latitude or even Wellington Place? :ohno: Does anyone know when the next phase will actually take place and you would have thought they would perhaps replace all that surface car parking with a new multistorey for this and surrounding developments?

This illustrates my frustration with this site. A nice glossy advertising board showing quite a lot of detail (note the footbridge over the river) which, along with the lovely renders (courtesy of Dibbers) of what's to be built, makes you think that there's some activity about to happen.



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/23%20May%202007/P1010046.jpg?t=1180097477



Then, next to this you find an application for renewal of permission to operate the site as car parking for the next three years. Oh dear :bash:

that is shockingly poor news. Its clear TCS aren't willing to spec build, and like they did at No.1 Whitehall Riverside, are waiting for pre-lets and only building once secured (there is Mellon Financial and Cobbetts IIRC). Even progress on No.7, the frankly dull block behind the apartments would be a result.

valverde is spot on - HBG and MEPC are much bigger companies and can afford to crack ahead with their schemes in phases, hoping to line up occupants as the construction schedule progresses. The last time there was so much spec building, the commercial property market collapsed (or more accurately peaked and went into a downturn).

If they won't build on spec, they'll be waiting for ever. Other developers are planning and building top rate schemes, and each new requirement that comes up is going straight into one that's already finished or under construction, as we've seen at BWP, City Walk, Wellington Place etc.

I don't know why they don't sell the land on to someone who is willing to speculate to accumulate. This is really annoying!

Whilst walking past this site today I have noticed a couple of things of interest. There is a new cafe to open on the ground floor of No1 Whitehall Riverside called The Roast Cafe and should surely add some life to this part of town and it will include such fare as Yorkshire Tapas (what is that?)? Also I have noticed that they have appeared to be doing some landscaping work by the riverside. Presumably they will be making a walkway match both ends of this development site in preperation of the later phases of development although still no sign when the next phase will start.

Further to the point Val Verde made about the work being done alongside the river, there's been a bit of desultory activity the other side of the river. It's on the spit of land which separates the river from the canal, just beyond where the railway tracks cross the canal as you walk from Granary Wharf.

It looks as though the excavations have finished because there are some foundations being laid a little way from the shore. Could this be the start of the footbridge?

Further to the point Val Verde made about the work being done alongside the river, there's been a bit of desultory activity the other side of the river. It's on the spit of land which separates the river from the canal, just beyond where the railway tracks cross the canal as you walk from Granary Wharf.

It looks as though the excavations have finished because there are some foundations being laid a little way from the shore. Could this be the start of the footbridge?

my heart always lifts a little when there's news of Whitehall Riverside, but promptly sinks back into a little pit of despair due to TCS's prediliction for car parking, but the bridge, if it is so, would be a great little addition. Won't demonstrably increase footfall, but like a little piece of a jigsaw will help connect up the West End.

More on what may or may not be the footings for a new bridge. Please, nobody tell me this work is for new drains :ohno:



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Looks far too substantial for drainage with all the reinforced concrete structure, I think there's a good chance this is for the bridge.

I've been wathing this for the past couple of months now. I think it is a new bridge as they've also been clearing the ground on the opposite side of the river.

Bridge, surely. Fantastic, with this and the new one at Clarence Dock the river is gradually becoming a more and more important feature of the City Centre. thanks for the photos, good to see the progress.

The Bridge

Work has commenced on a stunning new pedestrian bridge and associated riverside walkway across the River Aire, linking Whitehall Riverside with Holbeck Urban Village to the South of the City. Funded by TCS, the bridge is seen as an important link repairing some of the dislocation which took place in the early 1960’s. It is hoped that this major element of public realm, which will include completion of the riverside walkway, will assist in knitting together communities on the South with the City Centre itself and with Whitehall Riverside as its fulcrum.

From TCS site.

Also, thanks to Aviator for your recent photos, they are always appreciated. :cheers:

The Bridge

Work has commenced on a stunning new pedestrian bridge and associated riverside walkway across the River Aire, linking Whitehall Riverside with Holbeck Urban Village to the South of the City. Funded by TCS, the bridge is seen as an important link repairing some of the dislocation which took place in the early 1960’s. It is hoped that this major element of public realm, which will include completion of the riverside walkway, will assist in knitting together communities on the South with the City Centre itself and with Whitehall Riverside as its fulcrum.



It's good to get confirmation of what we've guessed at but it leaves me with a question. This new connection will have only limited value if there isn't a further bridge across the Leeds - Liverpool Canal. Can anyone recall if this is part of the proposals for Greenbank?

Yes, the Greenbank bridge will connect close to where the marketing suite is currently located. It would be useful if the bridge was developed soon otherwise the impact of the Whitehall Riverside bridge will be slightly reduced.
Speaking of which, could this be the Whitehall Riverside bridge...?

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3630/bridge200130fx6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Surprised no once has noticed yet that clearly visible from trains going westward from Leeds station that the span of the bridge linking Whitehall Riverside with the island between the Aire and Leeds Liverpool Canal is clearly on site and should surely presumably be lifted into place soon. Surely would assume would the bridge between Green Bank and the 'island' be built soon as well? Could someone take a pic of it?

Shoulda said earlier! Ive just got off a train coming westwards out of city station! I didnt see anything bridge like, but I have seen the core rising of Greenbank- what building is it that is going up at the moment? Or is it Latitude/Monksbridge. Ive confused myself which is which now :S