Why we are less known ?? we have quite big skyscraper , shopping mall , office , international branded stuff and hotel

but y we are not famous like other SEA cities ??

my opinion is we are lacking of these things :

Pedestrian walk (most part of Jkt don't have except on CBD )
Cleaniness (Many rubbish on street even on CBD area)
Safety
Public Transport (people feel unsafe when they use the public transport )
Pollution
Historical Landmark (Instead of preserve, they demolished and build Ruko)
Illegal Things
Road Marks not properly (Take a close look at Jakarta street some road have lines while other don't have (where can u find these in other country?? (SEA)))
English (Only few people know English except Bussinessmen and Doctors)
Lack of Dicipline Manners (most doesn't afraid the Law or just ignore it)
City not so Organize (even on CBD some are still not organize it is Suppose to be organize as CBD is international Place)
Many more !

Some improvement over the past year :
Lesser Beggar on the street
Government become less corrupt
Government give poor citizen free medical check-up / food etc
Economy increase
More tourist come
City become more competitive and International
A bit cleaner
More organized
Public Transport has improved (TransJakarta , Monorail (Future) , MRT (future) )
More green
Less air pollution
A bit safer
Started Preserve building
City rules become more strict

how about you ??
ANSWER THESE:
Lacking of What and The Improvements :)

related topics : (JAKARTA TOWER)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=246117

IMHO Jakarta is not famous because the city never been developed for people. The city is build for cars. It is tourist that makes a place known to overseas people. And tourist does not have cars or the knowledge to navigate the web of Jakarta street.

first of all happy 60th birthday to indonesia.

imo, jakarta is quite famous. i know where it is way before we got mtv asia on our cable that showed indonesian music and vjs. so there. probably just a little less famous than some SEA cities but still known by a lot of people outside indonesia and southeast asia.

@encon. you have enumerated some points but come to think of it, even more known cities could still have those problems on different scales. so maybe what jakarta lacks is just more assertive publicity.

btw, it's nice to know those improvements you mentioned.

@sanhen. that's an interesting point.

i also agree with sanhen

i still remember when i visit jakarta last time, i dun have family n less friends in there...

for my 4 days trip in jakarta spent more than rp i million just for the taxi fares, for people like me it such a waste

Indonesia in general is quite pasive in term of promotion. Even in the past, well in early '90s, when we were one of the hot spot for investment, I read an article in either TIMES or BusinessWeek magazine saying that Indonesian government was not active in promoting the country both for industrial and tourism. We thought we were too beautiful or to resourceful that make other people automatically come and visit. Nothing sells by itself.

The same for Jakarta, we are lacking of promotion. Do not wait until Jakarta becomes as clean as Singapore or as 'hot' as Bangkok. Go promote, now! Make a program, target the right market.

However, living in Europe, I can say that jakarta is not that unfamous. I experienced couple of time of meeting others and when they found out I'm Jakartan, they quite appreciate Jakarta, some already visited it like it a lot. So perhaps while pasive we're also underrating ourselves.

I think generally Indonesians tend to be quite complacent and think that the whole world will automatically be drawn to the country because of its size, immense natural resources and beautiful scenery. This applies to the country's economics and the way it conducts itself in business dealings with the international community. Some public official recently commented that Indonesians must get out of the mentality that foreign investors will eventually go back to the country and invest because Indonesia has lots of oil and other natural resources. It is this mentality that prevents Indonesia from promoting itself abroad, falsely believing that it is attractive enough and so no need to promote itself. While this mindset could survive the 90s boom, we leave in a different age now where attention has shifted away from SE Asia and into China and India...so I think this is an area that the government can certainly work on.

Also, one more thing about Jakarta in particular - poor city planning caused by years of corruption, collusion and nepotism (KKN)! :bash:

yeah
jakarta just dont have that required facility.

Indonesia in general is quite pasive in term of promotion. Even in the past, well in early '90s, when we were one of the hot spot for investment, I read an article in either TIMES or BusinessWeek magazine saying that Indonesian government was not active in promoting the country both for industrial and tourism. We thought we were too beautiful or to resourceful that make other people automatically come and visit. Nothing sells by itself.

The same for Jakarta, we are lacking of promotion. Do not wait until Jakarta becomes as clean as Singapore or as 'hot' as Bangkok. Go promote, now! Make a program, target the right market.

However, living in Europe, I can say that jakarta is not that unfamous. I experienced couple of time of meeting others and when they found out I'm Jakartan, they quite appreciate Jakarta, some already visited it like it a lot. So perhaps while pasive we're also underrating ourselves.

this is wat Jakarta has done to improve tourism with the logo " ENJOY JAKARTA!"

Jakarta Official website (Government):
http://jakarta.go.id/v21/home/default.asp?lg=2

Jakarta Official website (Tourist/Tourism):
http://www.jakarta-tourism.go.id/welcome.php

this is wat Jakarta has done to improve tourism with the logo " ENJOY JAKARTA!"

Yes. Good start. Must do it continously !

Yes. Good start. Must do it continously !

yeah, but what's the point of the slogan if it doesn't reach overseas markets? hehehe I see KL and Singapore ads in Sydney newspapers, but never see any Jakarta ones..

Honestly I dont think Jakarta should heavy overseas promotion at the moment. Jakarta still lacking behind. Bringin tourist in will just give bad impression what Jakarta is.

IMHO Jakarta is not famous because the city never been developed for people. The city is build for cars. It is tourist that makes a place known to overseas people. And tourist does not have cars or the knowledge to navigate the web of Jakarta street. I agree 100%!! Almost all "touristy" places in the world are walkable, (well, except maybe LA or LV, but they have Holywood and casinos though), because the best way to explore a city is by foot. To wander aimlessly wherever your feet take you.

Also, walking is difficult because there so many "got" (aka open sewer) in Jakarta. In luxury estates like Pondok Indah, or poor slums like Manggarai, they all have "got","got","got"! "Got" are the most disgusting feature of Jakarta. Anybody knows what's the rationale (if any) behind these "got" abominations?!! :mad:

Got is used to be a system to link water (be it dirty or rainfall water) to the drainese system (usually located in the seaport or river) but the system doesnt working properly because many of the jakartans tend to throw rubbish or plastic into "got".

The different between "got" in Jakarta and developed country is the one in Jakarta is not covered by anything while in developed country they got covered by either a block of steel or anything.

At least this is my observation...

cheers

Got is used to be a system to link water (be it dirty or rainfall water) to the drainese system (usually located in the seaport or river) but the system doesnt working properly because many of the jakartans tend to throw rubbish or plastic into "got".

The different between "got" in Jakarta and developed country is the one in Jakarta is not covered by anything while in developed country they got covered by either a block of steel or anything.

At least this is my observation...

cheers

this is changing, though...new real estate complexes have got rid of the got and luckily they are no where to be found along the main streets.

actually for a good city, seawage and rainwater should run in different channel. i dont think this system exist in jakarta. a good city should have separate channel for clean water, seawage, rainwater, cabling etc etc, all on different channel underground, in different depth too.

plus the heavy rainfall in indonesia make it impossible at this time to use a 'closed got'. it can be possible in the future to use closed type providing there are good drainage planning (that cost trillions).

imo, jakarta is quite famous. i know where it is way before we got mtv asia on our cable that showed indonesian music and vjs. so there. probably just a little less famous than some SEA cities but still known by a lot of people outside indonesia and southeast asia.


yeap, even Summer's the oc know where's Jakarta.. :)

hmmmm.. for the 'got' the governemtn should do the same thing like in seoul,, they remodelled the water irrigation and it looks so damn nice now! but the problem is dat is connects evrywhere,, so cant really get rid of the smell yeH??

wad about pollution??

Why Manila has sewer system but Jakarta ends up with "got"

Interesting article on the history of Jakarta sewer system I found in Worldbank website...

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Sewerage and Sanitation: Jakarta and Manila

OED recently audited sewerage and sanitation projects in Manila, Philippines, and Jakarta, Indonesia--cities with high population densities, inadequate sanitation, a high incidence of waterborne diseases, and serious environmental pollution. In Manila, the Bank nurtured a dialogue that helped to strengthen and guide receptive, well-run municipal agencies committed to providing needed services and to improving the environment. In Jakarta, the Bank's advocacy of low-cost sanitation technology, against local advice, ultimately caused the project to fail. Neither project came to grips with the problem of final waste disposal.

Background

By the late 1970s, Jakarta's population had topped 6 million and was still growing rapidly. But water supply and sanitation services remained well below standard: only about half of the residents had access to piped water, much of which was heavily polluted. With no sewer system, the people relied on septic tanks and leaching pits, often improperly designed. Open canals carrying raw sewage overflowed onto the streets. Waterborne diseases were rampant, infant mortality was high, and reported cases of cholera in Jakarta exceeded one thousand annually.

With one of the highest urban densities in the world, Manila shared many of these problems. Some two million people live in slums. Again, only about half of the urban population had access to piped water supply, while a deteriorating sewerage system only reached about 17 percent of city dwellers. As in Jakarta, most septic tanks were poorly constructed and usually overflowed into roadside drains.

Topography was similar--both cities are flat, so that canals and water courses flow too slowly to carry garbage away. In Manila, what runoff that does occur is channeled into Manila Bay, creating high levels of pollution that endanger fishing and recreation.

Goals, preparation

Goals. By 1977, the Indonesian government had completed a waste disposal master plan for Jakarta that recommended phased construction of a conventional sewer system. The Bank was requested to finance the first stage but rejected it as too expensive and, accordingly, urged the borrower to choose a cheaper alternative. In 1979, after considerable debate, the Bank and the Indonesian government agreed on a pilot project that combined piped sewerage and low-cost sanitation. The project's goals were to (1) improve environmental and public health conditions in a target area that housed about 450,000 people, (2) create an institution to operate the sewer system, (3) demonstrate the feasibility of low-cost sanitation solutions, and (4) improve the management of Jakarta's water supply.

A $22 million loan was approved in 1983. It consisted of laying some 57 km of sewers, converting a flood-storage pond to sewerage treatment, improving drainage, constructing 3,000 leaching pits and 30 public wash/toilet facilities, and providing consulting services. Completion was projected for early 1987 and the establishment of the sewerage authority for April 1986.

The master plan developed by the Philippines authorities was similar to the Jakarta plan, recommending comprehensive piped sewerage. This project was larger and more expensive than the one in Jakarta; its main objectives were to improve sanitation in the poor areas of metropolitan Manila and to develop an institutional strategy for building similar projects in the future.

The Bank approved a loan of $63 million in March 1980 to finance (1) an extension of the piped sewer network; (2) the design, implementation, and monitoring of a pilot sanitation system in low-income areas; (3) the construction of "combined sewers" in areas served by septic tanks; (4) the organization and equipping of a septic tank emptying service; (5) the establishment of a waste water laboratory and monitoring service; and (6) training and consulting services. In parallel, the Asian Development Bank made a loan of $37 million for a comprehensive rehabilitation and reconstruction of the existing central sewer system.

Preparation. The preparation of the Jakarta project took nearly four years--a period marked by disagreements between the Bank and the Indonesian government on the size, composition, and location of the project. Change of staff and arguments over sector responsibility added to the difficulty of the preparation period. In addition, land use within the project area changed rapidly, which made the proposed technological solutions unsuitable.

The Bank and the Government of Indonesia eventually agreed on a project that combined construction of a piped sewer system in central Jakarta with the provision of a demonstration scale low-cost sanitation system in densely populated, low-income areas of the city.

By contrast, in the Manila project, the Bank adopted a consensus-building approach that took the views of the borrower into account. And it played an important role in redirecting attention to the segment of the population that needed improved sanitation the most--the poor.

Preparation was extensive and detailed. Selection of pilot project and low-cost sanitation areas was based on a citywide survey that classified the residential areas according to the degree of health hazards caused by sewage and waste. The survey not only helped project designers assign correct priorities for investment, but also provided an excellent overall picture of the sanitation and environmental conditions of metropolitan Manila.

Implementation

The completion schedules for both projects were much too optimistic. Long procurement delays plagued implementation in both cases. In Jakarta, too many agencies were involved in running the project; as a result, instructions to contractors and quality control decisions were often delayed because of the inexperience of supervisory staff and confusion over responsibility. Inadequate preparation and poor project design also took their toll. Delays soon began to accumulate and by 1985, midpoint of the project timetable, only 7 percent of the Jakarta project had been completed.

In Manila, political unrest and the resulting disruption of the economy was one cause of delay, but bureaucratic red tape in bid specifications also hindered progress, as did import regulations.

Outcomes

Jakarta. The poor quality of planning in the Jakarta project was reflected in every aspect of the project's outcome, which is rated unsatisfactory.

- The sewerage part of the project was scaled down due to slow progress but, more important, because the limitations on the capacity of the treatment pond were overlooked at the design stage.

- The sanitation improvements, which were to demonstrate the feasibility of low-cost sanitation, did not improve sanitary or health conditions in the target area. Most of the 3,000 planned leaching pits could not be built because of insufficient space or unsuitable soil conditions. (Initial surveys identified these conditions but the Bank insisted on proceeding anyway.) The public toilets turned out to be exceptionally expensive at about $2,600 per toilet seat. Moreover, neighborhood surveys showed that the facilities were used less than 30 percent of the time partly because people thought the entrance fee of Rp 100 was too high.

- Plans to improve drainage also proved a failure, in large part because of the deplorable condition of the main drainage canals in rich and poor neighborhoods alike. As in Manila, these canals are brim full with stagnant sewage and the flow is blocked by solid waste or lack of maintenance. Disposing of more liquid wastes (from septic tanks or leaching pits) into the drains has only exacerbated already unacceptable environmental conditions in most areas of Jakarta and once again illustrates how trying to solve one part of the problem has merely created others.

Manila. The Manila project had a satisfactory outcome. The so called combined sewers component of the project provided roadside drainage channels in mostly low-income areas. Small bore pipes connected the septic tanks to drains, which disposed of the liquid overflow.

The drains have been highly effective in removing sewage from around houses, and health surveys report significant improvement in local health conditions. The ADB-financed sea outfall, pumping stations, and main sewers also work well and are well built.

Problems remain, however. The relatively new but well-organized and well-managed Sewerage System Department has limited funds and equipment. As a result, the rehabilitated trunk sewer facilities are not being maintained properly. The proper functioning of the sea outfalls is particularly important in view of the increasing pollution of Manila Bay. A recent study of the bay did not raise special concerns but fishermen have reported plumes of sewage on the bay's surface.

The roadside drains also pose a problem. They discharge their contents into larger drainage canals or water courses (all of which ultimately lead to Manila Bay). But because the large canals are usually choked with garbage, the flow of sewage from the roadside drains is causing progressively higher levels of pollution and, obviously, health hazards.

This aspect of environmental degradation either escaped the attention of the designers or was considered outside the scope of the project. The problem is aggravated by the divided responsibilities for sewerage and drainage. Although the Manila Waterworks and Sewerage System (MWSS) was responsible for designing and building the combined sewers and drains, responsibility for new construction was turned over to the Metropolitan Manila Commission for operation and maintenance.

Discharge of sludge from the septic tanks has also had environmental consequences. The quarry where the sludge is dumped is only meters away from where people pump drinking water.

Despite these shortcomings, the project helped to increase environmental awareness in Manila and the Philippines as a whole. New effluent standards and water quality regulations issued in 1990 set satisfactory control standards. However, their effectiveness and the level of enforcement is yet to be determined.

The project made a major contribution to institutional development by giving management much more experience with sewer system construction. Financial management, monitoring, and reporting have all improved as a result. The MWSS is now a mature organization with well-qualified staff, led by an able administrator. The fledgling Sewerage System Department is also well run but is hampered by its status as the "poor relative" of the Water System Department, receiving limited attention and resources. In view of expected rapid development of Manila's sewerage system, this part of the utility will need much greater support.

Sustainability

In Jakarta, the sustainability of the limited benefits that materialized is rated as unlikely.

In Manila, MWSS established a well run Sewerage System Department but failed to endow it with adequate resources for effective day-to-day operations, let alone expansion. This failure can potentially endanger the sustainability of the new or reconstructed facilities and is clearly damaging to the morale of the unit. Hence sustainability is rated as uncertain. Lessons

- Ownership matters. The crucial difference between the two projects is that in Manila, the Bank adopted a collaborative approach that resulted in a receptive and well-run institution committed to improving the environment, whereas in Jakarta, disagreements between the Bank and the implementing agencies, combined with inadequate technical design, ultimately caused the project to fail.

- Sewerage and sanitation projects require a comprehensive approach that takes into account the final disposal of waste. Solving a problem in one area only to create more problems elsewhere can damage public health and the environment. Both projects involve unfinished business with respect to effective urban and environmental planning.

actually for a good city, seawage and rainwater should run in different channel. i dont think this system exist in jakarta. a good city should have separate channel for clean water, seawage, rainwater, cabling etc etc, all on different channel underground, in different depth too.

plus the heavy rainfall in indonesia make it impossible at this time to use a 'closed got'. it can be possible in the future to use closed type providing there are good drainage planning (that cost trillions).

Exactly! I remember watching a Discovery Channel program that featured Boston and its problems with sewage because both rainwater and sewage end up in the same channel. Thats why floods occur much quicker. And water is polluted....same is true in Jakarta, in an even worse scale.

IMHO Jakarta is not famous because the city never been developed for people. The city is build for cars. It is tourist that makes a place known to overseas people. And tourist does not have cars or the knowledge to navigate the web of Jakarta street.
i agree...
what's weird is ...when i say im indonesian... some ppl are like" where's that at?"...then when i mention bali..then they be all...ooooo ok.. i know where it is now :)

i agree...
what's weird is ...when i say im indonesian... some ppl are like" where's that at?"...then when i mention bali..then they be all...ooooo ok.. i know where it is now :)

fortunately I don't have hard time introducing that I'm Indonesian here in Europe. When I said I'm Indonesian they'd often ask me from what city I am. And many of them --I'm only surprised-- already visited Jakarta, Toraja, Yogyakarta not only Bali. Perhaps more European travel to Indonesia than American? I don't know, should check on tourist statistics.

i agree...
what's weird is ...when i say im indonesian... some ppl are like" where's that at?"...then when i mention bali..then they be all...ooooo ok.. i know where it is now :)
Well I ve the same problem when I m in the States . When they asks me where I m from , if I tell them I m frm The Netherlands/Holland , then they say, okay Copenhagen nice city. The majority ofthe Americans they don t have the slightest idea they only know abt their own country.

fortunately I don't have hard time introducing that I'm Indonesian here in Europe. When I said I'm Indonesian they'd often ask me from what city I am. And many of them --I'm only surprised-- already visited Jakarta, Toraja, Yogyakarta not only Bali. Perhaps more European travel to Indonesia than American? I don't know, should check on tourist statistics.

heh.. not just you tata. same thing happen here. many bule here been to city in kalimantan / sumatra etc. places that i have never been. hehehe

A friend of mine made an interesting observation about Jakarta:

Would not want to visit it, but would love to live in it.

Probably a good description of Jakarta.

During my days in the State, people thought that I was either a Filipino or a Puerto Rican (guess it help that I speak Spanish).

A friend of mine made an interesting observation about Jakarta:

Would not want to visit it, but would love to live in it.

Probably a good description of Jakarta.

During my days in the State, people thought that I was either a Filipino or a Puerto Rican (guess it help that I speak Spanish). The whole time I've been here, they thought I was Filipino (most often), Thai, Chinese, Burmese... almost all Asian nations, even Mongolia!! Only once someone guessed it right, and that's because he used to teach English in Jakarta, so my name sounded familiar to him.

Well I ve the same problem when I m in the States . When they asks me where I m from , if I tell them I m frm The Netherlands/Holland , then they say, okay Copenhagen nice city. The majority ofthe Americans they don t have the slightest idea they only know abt their own country.

that's very true..a lot of my teachers at school are very bad at geography...

My personal favorite:

You're from Indonesia? Is that close to Bali?

I think that stems from the fact that there are very few Indonesians living in the United States. In the US there are only 72,000 legal residents and/or citizens of Indonesian origin. For comparison, there are 1.4 million Filipinos, 1 million Indians, 225,000 Pakistanis, 1.1 million Chinese, 400,000 Taiwanese, etc.

My personal favorite:

You're from Indonesia? Is that close to Bali?

I was forwarded a funny video showing footage of Americans on the street being asked 'where do u think the biggest threat to america comes from'. The guy pulled out a deliberately mislabelled world map and there are a LOT of americans who are fooled into thinking that the Australian continent is actually North Korea...hahaha..so it's not just Indonesia ;)

I was forwarded a funny video showing footage of Americans on the street being asked 'where do u think the biggest threat to america comes from'. The guy pulled out a deliberately mislabelled world map and there are a LOT of americans who are fooled into thinking that the Australian continent is actually North Korea...hahaha..so it's not just Indonesia ;)
I love this video. "I never realized North Korea was so much bigger than South Korea."

duddee ud ont udnerstand.. americans are REAAAAAAAAAAALly bad at geography... but i guess its because geography isnt really part of our curriculum? the only geography i remeber learning was the fifty states, other than that, geography wasn't really ever taught.

Here's the video by the way: http://media.putfile.com/On-The-Streets-Of-America-3

I think that stems from the fact that there are very few Indonesians living in the United States. In the US there are only 72,000 legal residents and/or citizens of Indonesian origin. For comparison, there are 1.4 million Filipinos, 1 million Indians, 225,000 Pakistanis, 1.1 million Chinese, 400,000 Taiwanese, etc.

There are more Filipinos than Chinese in the US? :eek: I would have thought it was the other way around.

duddee ud ont udnerstand.. americans are REAAAAAAAAAAALly bad at geography... but i guess its because geography isnt really part of our curriculum? the only geography i remeber learning was the fifty states, other than that, geography wasn't really ever taught.
You're right. The only geography I was ever taught in school was the 50 states. I remember in one my college classes had to locate where some mountain range was in Turkey. Literally half the class had no clue where Turkey was. I lost a lot of respect for people that day. In my political science class, for extra credit we were given a quiz. They showed a map without names and said "this province broke away from Indonesia to become an independent nation in 2002." No one knew. Also, they asked what's the capital of Indonesia. No one knew. This is the president of Zimbabwe. No one knew. This international organization provided the bulk of support for the bail-out program for East Asian economies after the Asian Economic Crisis. A Pakistani girl was sitting next to me, she didn't know the answers either. Our education system just sucks.

There are more Filipinos than Chinese in the US? :eek: I would have thought it was the other way around.
Remember, it's legal residents or citizens. Illegally, that might be a totally different story.

Also, when you count Taiwan+China there are more Chinese.

i dont think the educatoinal system sucks.. it just foucses more on domestic stuff as opposed to all that international jazz, because most americans dont start careers out of the country, simply because they dont' ahve to, but this could be sometihng that can be improved if they'd quit cutting our school funds

i dont think the educatoinal system sucks.. it just foucses more on domestic stuff as opposed to all that international jazz, because most americans dont start careers out of the country, simply because they dont' ahve to, but this could be sometihng that can be improved if they'd quit cutting our school funds
Well, don't misunderstand me, and possibly we can continue this discussion another place. My mom is a teacher in a public school, and I don't buy the line of crap being fed to the American people that their schools are unimprovable and that we need to start focusing on private and charter schools. I do think our education system does face a lot of problems though, and it's not even getting half the funding it needs.

albeit improvable, i think that the american school system is still better than anny otehr school system in the world. first of all, because it's free to all citiznes. second of all, it allows for its students to pick courses according to his her own capability, whether it'd be resource, regular, honors, or AP. and most importnatly, it (most of hte times) is not based on chugging facts down students' throats, but rather having them learn in a creative atmosphere, through lil activites projects and such, instead of just tests. and yeah.. haha :)

and id o agree taht schools can be improved... ALOT. but it kind of sucks how our school budget get slowered every year, but we're sort of lucky because our school is one of the best in the state, so with BUsh's "no child left behind" deal, we're getting more money, i guess (i think thats what those STAR tests are for).. but it sucks for the stupid schools, because theyre budget gets cut, and tehy cant get better if theyre budget keeps being cut so tahts kinda dumb.. and eyah

or acutallly i might be a bit one-sided, because our school is one of the bes tschools in california and it offers more classes/extracurriculars than any other school in the state (thats a fact). so yeah i dont know about other schools cuz ive never gone to any other schools

72,000 Indonesian in the US? Wow that's big. Total Indonesian live in France only around 4000, 300 of them are in Paris. While in the whole switzerland only around few thousands, a lot of them working on organization like UN, WTO, ITU etc. But again US is a huge country.

Also, when you count Taiwan+China there are more Chinese.

the pop of chinese in U.S. has surpassed more then 4 million
http://www.people.com.cn/GB/14677/14737/22037/2898494.html
and i dont think Jakarta is less known.

the pop of chinese in U.S. has surpassed more then 4 million
http://www.people.com.cn/GB/14677/14737/22037/2898494.html
and i dont think Jakarta is less known.
As I said, this data is for legal residents and/or citizens of the US based on data provided by the US Census. The US is 4.2% Asian, meaning there are roughly 12 million Asians in the country.

Sorry, I just realized last night what the major problem with the numbers I posted are. Those are people that were born in foreign countries and migrated to the US. It does not take into account people of Chinese/Indonesian/Filipino/etc. ethnicity born in the US.

I'm wondering if Jakarta has some special things to lure tourist ??


in Singapore they will have:

2 Casinos
Singapore Flyer
3 World Class Garden
World Class Golf
Upgraded East Coast Park
Clarke Quay
New Marina CBD


in Dubai:

Dubai Land (3 times larger than Disneyland, World Largest Amusment park)
Burj Dubai (World's Tallest Building)
Burj al Arab Hotel Dubai (World's 1st 7star Hotel)


In HongKong:

Disneyland

Shanghai:

Universal Studios
SIFC

Jakarta ???

Well there gonna Buil Ancol City bay thats gonna be big
they should renovate TMII. i remember the skylifts in TMII are DEADLY :badnews:

we should hav a thread for ancol bay city then?

coming soon ;)

Jakarta has lost a lot. After the 1998 riots, bomb attacks, raids by extreme groups (FPI and al the other bullshit) and historical constructions have also been demolished.
On the other side I think it's not good to be famous as Bangkok, which is Asia's biggest hookerhouse. Or as Manila, famous for childporn.

Jakarta has to develop it's own charm. More classical buildings have to be erected mixed with local woodcarving / art. Paris style buildings.
More water, fountains, greenery. Massive public open spaces where people can meet and to their things. And very very important more space for pedestrians, pejalan kaki.
In my vision Jakarta should be the Buenos Aires of Asia.

As world city you have to strife for the best.

after Jakarta has found a solution for.......:

Public Transport (subway, monorail)
Sewage system(seperation from rivers, waterways)
Trash (recycling)
Clean water (drinkable water)
Extremism (no disco, casino, church closings)

then....

People will go to Jakarta spend their money and will talk about the city which will result in more visitors.

jakarta should have more greens!!

seriously Jakarta need more parks/open spaces and good transposrtation

add to the list above:
Food and Beverage control incl. warung2 di jalan
Anak Jalanan
Kaki Lima
Working Police System

Jakarta have the largest theme park in SEA (or genting??)
largest sea world in SEA
houndred of shopping mall
monas

interesting to see your explanations as to why jakarta doesn t get the tourists. many of the problems here are to be found in otehr cities in the region most notably bangkok, where i lived many years

perception plays an important role. say bangkok and you think of the grand palace, singapore is shoppin, tokyo is hi tec, bali is beaches, london is history, paris is art, jakarta is...sorry, monas ain t the taj mahal or the eiffel tower!

but what has jakarta got...kota. ancol, never been myself mind!!, shoppin malls. pulau seribu. banten and bogor are not far away. anyer, krakatau. ppl go to thailand, many stay in bangkok and pattaya. close to bkk there is ayuthya, kanchanburi. there is also a reasonable infrastructure like roads! here, away from the jalan tol the roads suck

get rid of the islam defenders or whatever they maybe, promote the city to indonesians and who knows, maybe the tourists may start comin here

hmmm jakarta is famous in germany!!!!

but bali is more famous than jakarta......

^^
Famous coz good things or bad things??

^^ i think bad deh:jk:

btw Jakarta need to build some free low-cost houses for ppl live in the slums (I know the gov already did) , Plant more trees, make jakarta clean, and most importantly do not corrupt !

Jakarta should have a clean up day or something!

Jakarta should have a clean up day or something!

they do have it last time but not too long ago.

Jakarta IMHO is a place for people who has Adrenalin and those who has a taste of Adventure, those who like camping all day everyday, hell, its a city for People who can survive the Wilderness.its like a Jungle and everyone are like animals trying to get and be the best. don't Jakarta Reminds you of Gotham City too? I mean it has the gap between the rich and the Poor and with all those conglomerats and and evil people. <-kinda not wanna make you go to Jakarta hehe? but Jakarta and Indonesians Do have a Dream like The American Dream. think of Jakarta As a big Rollercoaster with its ups and downs

I have visited most of all capital cities of SEA in the last 2 years so I can make recent comparison amongst them. What I saw is Singapore was far far ahead of other SEA cities in terms of cleanliness, efficiency, public transportation, sewerage, pollution, city administration, public utilities. Singapore is even one of the best cities in the world.
KL stands behind Singapore in terms of cleanliness, efficiency and pollution. It is understandable coz KL population is almost similar to Singapore (3++ million v.s. 4++ million of Singapore). I even remember when my father told me that KL was much better than Jakarta back to 1970s (remember that in 1970s there were still slump areas in Thamrin). Pedestrians in both Singapore and KL are wide and friendly. But Singapore pedestrians are made from expensive homogenous tiles while in KL are made from less expensive tiles.
Jakarta is not comparable to Singapore or KL since it has much-much more people to be fed everyday. The one that is comparable to Jakarta is Bangkok. Bangkok has more dense hi-rise buildings than in Jakarta but the temperature there is hotter than that of Jakarta. Pedestrians in Bangkok is quite wide and clean and are made from the same material as in KL. IMHO, Jakarta pedestrians are the worst, even in the CBD area (except in Thamrin) you can find easily motorcycles using pedestrian as their way ezpecially in peak hours. Most pedestrians in Jakarta are made from relatively cheap conblocs. In terms of public transportation, Bangkok is much better than Jakarta. In Bangkok there are no old pollutive metrominis, kopajas, etc. Its buses, minibuses are newer and less pollutive.
Manila is no better than Jakarta, except it has more efficient public transportation and more clean pedestrian.
What I understood from some of my overseas friends, the above items are important for foreigners/trourist who visit a country coz they need something that will make them comfortable during their stay. This will directly impact the image of the city in addition to the promotion.
Jakarta needs more improvement in the above areas (most important are public transp, cleanliness and pedestrians).

really really agree with u.....