Why can't VN build anything? Every single freaking building is built by a foreign company. Even the "My Thuan" bridge was built by an Australian company with money donated from Australia. I've driven on this bridge a few times, and
everytime I see people on bicycles/motorbikes would stop at mid-bridge to smoke a cigarette or chat with their friends. No they're not resting on the pedestrian walkway, they're stopping and resting in the middle of a 4-lane traffic. This is supposed to be dangerous and illegal but apparently it's not in VN. What a f@cking joke!

Saigon is the most modern looking city. But if you go outside of Saigon, the freaking VNese government can't even build a toilet, let alone a building. And the highways are a freaking joke. I was going from Saigon to Nhatrang, the
highway is a one-lane traffic shared by motorcycles and cows and whatnot.

I stayed at Ana Mandara Hotel in Nhatrang. They gave me FREE breakfast. So every morning I would see the hotel director sat his ass at a table in the corner near the door. A couple servers would run around bringing foods from the buffet and put them on his table. The freaking asshole just sat there and have all these people serve him. What an ass! Why can't you get off your f@cking ass and get the food yourself.

Nhatrang used to be abundant with sea urchins. The govervment let all these Jap come in and feasts on this delicacy. As you know sea urchins are hell expensive in Japan. So the VNese government caught and sold every sea urchin they could
find to the Jap. Now sea urchin in Nhatrang is extinct.

Vietnamese communists, what a bunch of laughingstocks.

First of all, the term "Jap" is a deogratory term for Japanese and therefore offensive.

If you know anything about Vietnam's modern history then you'll understand why things are the way they are today.

You sound like you don't live in Vietnam and I assume you probably live, and perhaps was even born or at least grew up, in a Western country. You simply can't compare the standards between the West and Vietnam as the latter is still a developing nation.

Yes there is much room for improvement for Vietnam but if you look back about 20 years or even 10 years, Vietnam has come a long way. If you truly love Vietnam (not that you said you do), you wouldn't be this unreasonable and irrational.

First of all, the term "Jap" is a deogratory term for Japanese and therefore offensive.

If you know anything about Vietnam's modern history then you'll understand why things are the way they are today.

You sound like you don't live in Vietnam and I assume you probably live, and perhaps was even born or at least grew up, in a Western country. You simply can't compare the standards between the West and Vietnam as the latter is still a developing nation.

Yes there is much room for improvement for Vietnam but if you look back about 20 years or even 10 years, Vietnam has come a long way. If you truly love Vietnam (not that you said you do), you wouldn't be this unreasonable and irrational.

I was born in Vietnam. I grew up in VN, but also grew up in the US. go figure.

VN can't do no shit unless it's asking for help from other countries. VN will always be under the shadow of China. Everything VN does, VN always model after China. If communism in China were to collapse tomorrow. I bet you communism in VN will collapse next week.

If communism didnt take over the South. South Vietnam today would have been a much better and happier place. We would be discussing how high Saigon skyscrapers are compared to midget buildings in Shanghai or HongKong.

VN can't do no shit unless it's asking for help from other countries. VN will always be under the shadow of China. Everything VN does, VN always model after China. If communism in China were to collapse tomorrow. I bet you communism in VN will collapse next week.
Vietnam has accomplished much in the past 20 years, no one can deny that.

Modeling after China isn't a bad idea. Vietnam only opened its economy after China did and probably avoided many mistakes China may have made earlier on. Give Vietnam time, it's only been 20 years since the devastating Vietnam War.

If communism didnt take over the South. South Vietnam today would have been a much better and happier place. We would be discussing how high Saigon skyscrapers are compared to midget buildings in Shanghai or HongKong.
lol... "midget buildings in Shanghai or Hong Kong"...

Yes, we can play the "what if" game all day long but it's simply not constructive or meaningful.

Hey Pangu, why you care about VN?

You chinese, born in US, no?

(in your previous post, you said it's been 20 years since the end of the VN war. No, it's 30)

Hey Pangu, why you care about VN?

You chinese, born in US, no?

(in your previous post, you said it's been 20 years since the end of the VN war. No, it's 30)
I wouldn't say I "care" about Vietnam as I am not Vietnamese. All I have been doing is stating facts.

I was born in Taiwan, grew up in the U.S.

Oh wow, you're right, it's been exactly 30 years since the end of Vietnam War, how time flies!

You both are correct....Vietnamese government sucks...but they've improved the lives of the people by alot since the Doi Moi reforms. If they weren't so corrupted the Vietnamese people would be much better off though.

Vietnam has done great!

They got bombed to hell and got back up and created a modern nation.

...but they've improved the lives of the people ...

They were no responsible for life improvement, they eased their power and control over the VN people. But VN economy developped thanks to people's genuity, hardwork and commitement against the corrupt system, and with help of overseas remittance and financial subsidies from democratic countries and organisations.

I think the Vietnam government should eat more fried bananas in Phu Nhuan district



But I agree that lives have changed a lot since the reform, however we're still poor so.........like I said we should give the VN government more fried bananas made in Phu Nhuan district

You both are correct....Vietnamese government sucks...but they've improved the lives of the people by alot since the Doi Moi reforms. If they weren't so corrupted the Vietnamese people would be much better off though.
Well, point is, when evaluating something, in order to remain objective and rational, one must consider both the positive AND the negative aspects.

I was in no way disagreeing with vietboi's points about the Vietnamese government's negative aspects. I was merely attempting to make it clear that there are positive aspects that require to be taken into consideration as well.

Why the rush to build as many skyscrapers as Hong Kong or Shanghai? Hong Kong builds a lot of them because of a chronic space shortage (though the very tallest are also driven by corporate prestige/competitive ego etc). Shanghai builds them for prestige, to impress overseas investors, and to symbolise "catching up" with Hong Kong and the West (esp America). However the fact is that skyscrapers are largely unneccessary. Beijing has built hundreds of huge modern office buildings without building scrapers (though personally I find the scrapers in Hong Kong and Shanghai much sexier....) and my city, London, arguably the world's most important financial centre, has relatively few scrapers despite adding vast quantities of high quality modern office space in the last two decades. Skyscrapers are symbols of progress and modernity more than the progress itself. As an economic barometer they are actually quite poor. If progress were measured by the number or height of skycrapers then Europe would appear to be a backward place - significantly behind China - when in fact Europe is much richer and more advanced than China. Other less sexy measures such as GDP figures, the availability of drinkable water (despite all the glossy developments you still can't drink the tap water in Shanghai....), internet access, or rates of ownership of homes, cars, consumer goods etc etc are all probably better measures of a country's economic progress.

monkey I like tall buildings but I am so agree with you!!!

tall buildings are nice but u have to build to fit the environment too....European countries are rich, yet not a lot of them build skycrappers because of the climate.... tall buildings like american cities generated a lot of strong wind and cooler winter while more heat and smog during the summer. Hong Kong, New York, Mexico city and many other major cities suffered this consequence.
the lowrise buildings in Europe let the wind swept through and keep the city warmer during winter and don't need a lot of power to generate or produce a lot of pollution

that's why if major cities in Vn were to build skyscrapers I hope they follow singapore........don't build a lot of overwhelming buildings like Hong Kong Shanghai, Bangkok etc.........build a few of 60-80 storeys buildings, enough for business, that's it, the rest of the cities leave them alone........I like living in tube houses in Vn, they're active and fun. you get to see your neighbours everyday, run a shop on the first floor and run your own business.......and once the power or water run out, peope still could cope up with their daily life........
in other countries, once the economy collaspe people lost their work and many become unemployed because they don't know how to be an entrepreneur, and when we got black out or no water, living in private houses/residences/ apartments........we're doom for disaster

Vn is poor but everytime I think of north Korea, Cuba, Cambodia, Lao, Mongolia, and many other countries in Africa and South AMerica

I'm just so Glad Vietnam is VN.

our only problem now is the police state, so we must fight them, violently, physically, mentally, spiritually, ugly.

to achieve our goal of becoming rich and powerful.....

I wouldn't say Vn is poor, like 1 foreign article I read, VN people keep their money under the pillow instead of banks, that's why we don't know for sure how much the country is worth.........no one in Vn trusts the commie banks

imagine, how could a country with an average income of $700 a year with people spending $100.000-200.000 US for houses or buy cars double or triple the price in US? sending their children to educate overseas, and traveling to foreign countries.
the people and the goverment don't work and trust each other....that's the problem

Vn is poor but everytime I think of north Korea, Cuba, Cambodia, Lao, Mongolia, and many other countries in Africa and South AMerica

I'm just so Glad Vietnam is VN.

our only problem now is the police state, so we must fight them, violently, physically, mentally, spiritually, ugly.

to achieve our goal of becoming rich and powerful.....

I wouldn't say Vn is poor, like 1 foreign article I read, VN people keep their money under the pillow instead of banks, that's why we don't know for sure how much the country is worth.........no one in Vn trusts the commie banks

imagine, how could a country with an average income of $700 a year with people spending $100.000-200.000 US for houses or buy cars double or triple the price in US? sending their children to educate overseas, and traveling to foreign countries.
the people and the goverment don't work and trust each other....that's the problem

I am an example, he he he :D

Does anyone have any studies about the amount of energy consummed by a highrise compared to a cluster of (modern) lowrise buildings of the same capacity ?

I don't like urban landscape like that of Wall street: the buildings are so high that you almost never get a sunray on the street, and it must be quite frightening to live in a neighbourhood surrounded by a concrete jungle.

@bang
Vietnam may not be the richest country even accounting for the money stuffed under pillows but it's certainly a very attractive country with a lot of future potential. :)

Vietnam has done great in the past 10 years. Remember, the United Nation and the U.S did not lift economic sanction against Vietnam till 1995. In a span of about 10 years, Vietnam has reduced the poverty line from 60% down to about 25%.

I know the feeling it's seems one country is not immuned fr corrupt inefficient govt. Trust me my frien d there are lots of them.

monkey have you ever been to VN?

there are a lot of poor people on the streets, but there are rich people so rich ya just wanted to shoot them.
my parents friend they earned over $7000 US. each month (legal business).......they said they've got so much money that they don't know what to use for, they've been around the world, and now don't know which country to visit anymore.
and my family in VN, they are richer than us here..8 flat screen TVs ....air conditioners with the remote control, 4 computers for 4 children...............maids, servants, chaufeurs you name it..........their children are only 16-17 and each got their own new expensive big motobikes , those bikes that look like boats.(not sure what the name is)

My God..... we're in Canada and we're so poor, we buy things on sales only....you know how embarassing it is when your parents made ya go with them to buy tons of "on sale" toilet paper?

lovesaigon
don't reveal yourself, those robbers will come to your house and steal your pillow and you'll have no pillow to sleep

I know a guy who got his flip flop stolen when he was in Vietnam.

Just thought I'd share that...haha

monkey have you ever been to VN?Yes. One year ago. :)