The new ice rink in Jaca...
under construction..

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^^ cool

Finaly I thread on this forum about stadiums and nothing but stadiums!
great pics. Let me check if I can put something on to. If I can work out how to do it!
Later

Stadium builds and renovations are usually long, tortuous and expensive affairs and it's not surprising that your average contractor doesn't really want to spend much time thinking about the level of information and pictures available to curious members of the public, especially if a deadline is looming.

Unfortunately for them, they need to understand that they're not working on just another building. By definition, a stadium is a place that connects to large numbers of people, engendering a sense of ownership, pride and belonging that often overtakes all rational and objective analysis. In short, their PR needs to be more effective than when undertaking almost any other type of project. Even national monuments and iconic skyscrapers struggle to match the huge interest that a stadium build can generate.

So, with a few well-known examples in progress at the moment, I thought it would be interesting to compare the efforts of their respective websites to see who wins the battle off the pitch (so to speak), the battle to keep punters informed even if it risks upsetting the contractors...

Wembley Stadium, London, UK:

Might as well start with this one - it's probably the most prominent stadium project in the world at the moment and not always for the right reasons, as we all know. Net effect: it needs a pretty good website to counter all the snide comments it gets in the media.

http://webcam.thefa.com/webcamhome.jpg

What do we get? Well, a live webcam section (of sorts) - delayed fuzzy shots with about a minute interval, all taking pictures of 'different' parts of the stadium from virtually the same angle. An internal webcam would have been a great idea any time since about summer 2005, when the bowl has been in existence. Also, what is the point of the Arch webcam? What else is going to change on that now?

We do get the 'Photo Diary', a montage of about 6 seemingly random arty shots every moth, which cannot be copied using your right mouse button (Why? is it an official secret or something? Do the people at Wembley’s website think we haven't heard of screen-dumping or the CTRL+C command?) For this, they must win some sort of award for the most pointless attempt at pointless security.

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Twickenham Stadium, London, UK:

Next up is Twickenham. They’ve decided not to bother with the live webcam idea but do at least provide decent quality photos of the internal bowl from set locations, allowing the viewer to determine exactly how much is visibly different since the last photo was released. Instead of a regular monthly update, I also prefer the fact that updates seem to be done more often is something significant has happened and can be seen, usually with more images. Maybe this is purely supposition on my part or maybe the people who run the RFU’s website are slightly more aware of the needs to keep the public’s curiosity satisfied.

http://www.rfu.com/images/webcam_images/may11_06.jpg

Emirates Stadium, London, UK:

Completing the London triumvirate is Arsenal’s swanky new Emirates Stadium at Ashburton Grove. As I type, the Emirates Stadium Webcam link from arsenal.com is currently linked to the following image:

http://www.stadium.arsenal.servecast.net/arsenal/images/stream_message.jpg

Possibly, this is a security move to deter London’s criminals from using the webcam as a lookout for whatever nefarious activities they have planned there. You can imagine Arsenal not wanting to advertise the fact that there’s hardly anyone about after hours but a webcam that only works 9-5 is hardly 21st Century, is it?

Anyway, there’s also an image gallery with small-ish pictures taken at seemingly indeterminate intervals. Mostly, they give a good variety of images and it does seem that the photographer had acces to all areas. The only problem I had was that Arsene Wenger seemed to be on lots of the pictures. Anyone would think he was topping up his income with a bit of labouring on the side!

http://www.arsenal.com/images/e/emiratesstadium04052006_5.jpg

In fairness, Arsenal have created a fair chunk of website to cover the advent of the Emirates Stadium, with an entire section header on their homepage dedicated to it. Being cynical, I’d have wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that unlike the pther two, a headline sponsor is involved. Also, as a club side who are moving, not renovating, maybe they still feel they need to ‘sell’ the stadium a little harder to their fans. This incentive to try harder is perhaps why they have appeared to take the idea more seriously.

Old Trafford, Manchester, UK:

Hmmm, it pains me to say it but United’s online stadium build updates were probably the worst of the lot. There was no webcam, all the photo gallery stuff was taken from outside the ground and only chucked onto the ‘Man Utd Pics’ photo sales website section as a bit of an add-on. The impressive stuff only got going when there were seats and boxes to sell and even then there wasn’t that much of it. Curious fans like me were stuck with waiting for infrequent updates on the website and snatched glimpses of the progress over Clayon Blackmore’s shoulder while watching MUTV.

http://picsrv.manutd.com/?fif=/manu/img_10_13317.jpg&obj=iip,1.0&wid=230&hei=159&rgn=0,0,0,0&cvt=jpeg

In Summary…

Let’s face it, no rugger fan is going to argue with anyone proposing to increase the capacity at Twickers, ditto United fans at OT and the Wembley saga is now that protracted that foreign despots must be considering doing the same thing with their own national stadia as a means of torturing their own people. Yes, all three were happily ambivalent when it came to keeping the punters as informed as possible, all clearly feeling they’d done enough when to many of us, they’d done the bare minimum.

I’m afraid I have to give Arsenal the Stadium Build PR Award, but largely for the reasons outlined above. Yes, I’m a cynic but it strikes me as no coincidence that the project that was potentially the most likely to meet with customer resistance was the one that tried hardest to keep those same customers updated with as many visuals as it could.

Does anyone know of a current project that keeps their website visitors more informed than any of these? I sincerely hope so!!

Possibly, this is a security move to deter London’s criminals from using the webcam as a lookout for whatever nefarious activities they have planned there. You can imagine Arsenal not wanting to advertise the fact that there’s hardly anyone about after hours but a webcam that only works 9-5 is hardly 21st Century, is it?

Had the webcam been running 24/7, how much activity do you think would have been observable at the dead of night, in the dark, with no workers on site?
Cynical is not the word my friend.

scouserdave

SSC seems to be the best unofficial resource for construction updates. Especially with the MCG, since it still hosted matches during construction and half of Melbourne's train network passes around it. :)

Their official site also had a webcam and a photo gallery, and there's also the OmniCam (http://webcam.omni.net.au) which is a webcam atop a building's spire which provided decent views of almost everything around the city. Then there were a few of the webcams with web control interfaces that weren't secured and open for everyone to access. :D

The new mainstand in Bielefeld uc

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The red seats in the Weserstadion in Bremen will be replaced with green ones.
Hopefully we will soon see the proposal for the new stadium

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And the new Porsche arena in Stuttgart has juts been inaugurated

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doublepost

Had the webcam been running 24/7, how much activity do you think would have been observable at the dead of night, in the dark, with no workers on site?
Cynical is not the word my friend.

Then what word is?

Enlighten me. In fact enlighten someone one day...

He delivers again, here are the official pdf's fresh from UEFA themselves, proving once and for all that Celtic Park has zero stars. The other pdf shows the exact requirements for 4/5 star rating.

http://pictures.footymad.net/upload/247/284217-1.pdf
http://pictures.footymad.net/upload/247/284217-2.pdf

This is the real deal, use this whenever you need to refer to 4/5 star stadiums. Athens is a surprise, I didn't know that was a UEFA 5 star stadium!! A few of the capacities will need updated (Old Trafford, Ibrox and Villa Park)



http://pictures.footymad.net/upload/247/284217-3.jpg

Foolish.

It doesn't take a genius to realise that there is no point in having a webcam running all night when theres nothing to see and no light to see it in.

Think McFly, think!

Yeah, think before you post EADGBE! A webcam in my bog would be more useful than a night one at a stadium

If this guy had eadgbe doing his homework for him he would've got kicked out of school!

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You like Jimmy Somerville a lot eh?

I'm a big fan of famous puffs!

I love all 3 Back to the Futures....the first is an 80's classic!!


As for 'EADGBE' - http://tinyurl.com/n5tsp

i dont see the santiago bernabeu in that list, which was made a 5* stadium in 2003 when the roof was finished on the last stand, so that list is out of date by a number of years. explains why a number of the other stadiums are out of date figure wise too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_Bernab%C3%A9u_Stadium

Santiago Bernabeu is NOT a UEFA 5 star stadium. Do you know how Wikipedia works? It is written by fans of a subject, so that page would have been written by a Real Madrid fan, and he was talking shite. What difference would a roof make??? Nou Camp is 5 star and it doesn't have a roof! Half the stuff on Wikipedia is nonsense. The Santiago Bernabeu's upgrade was finished in 2004, not 2003, so this Real Madrid fan doesn't know his arse from his elbow!!

Think about it!! If Athens is on the list (upgraded in 2004), then this means a 2003 (according to the Madrid fan) Bernabeu did not get 5 star status (proving the Madrid fan is talking nonsense)!! Also on the list is Olympiastadion in Berlin, and that only opened with it's upgraded 5 star status in late 2004, so the list is very up-to-date. All the capacities are spot on apart from Villa Park. They obviously haven't visited that stadium since it was awarded 4 star staus.

The pdf's were emailed by UEFA from their media office 2 days ago, so they are the most up-to-date lists available!!!

Next please!

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Santiago Bernabeu is NOT a UEFA 5 star stadium. Do you know how Wikipedia works? It is written by fans of a subject, so that page would have been written by a Real Madrid fan, and he was talking shite. What difference would a roof make??? Nou Camp is 5 star and it doesn't have a roof! Half the stuff on Wikipedia is nonsense.

Think about it!! If Athens is on the list (upgraded in 2004), then this means a 2003 Bernabeu did not get 5 star status!! Also on the list is Olympiastadion in Berlin, and that only opened with it's upgraded 5 star status a few months ago, so the list is very up-to-date. Karaiskakis Stadium opened well after the Bernabeu upgrade, and the Karaiskakis Stadium is on the list!!! Explain that??? I will explain it for you...the Bernabeu is NOT 5 star!

The pdf's were emailed by UEFA from their media office 2 days ago, so they are the most up-to-date lists available!!!

Next please!

all right ok, my bad! whats happened to villa park recently then to warrant the capacity info to be wrong?

all right ok, my bad! whats happened to villa park recently then to warrant the capacity info to be wrong?

They rebulit the Trinity Road stand ages ago (2001). Someone should really email UEFA and let them know!!

Your point would be valid if it wasn't flawed to start with. Who said there'd be no light on? Wembley's cam is 24hr and the site remains partly illuminated at all times. Shame the same can't be said of you.

I can't help thinking that you're seizing on a relatively minor point in my post for no apparent reason other than mischief-making and are in doing so failing to address the main point which was made fairly clear.

Either contribute in the spirit intended by the thread or spare us your inane, unimpressive time-wasting drivel. I've wasted enough time reading through your pointless baiting of others in a number of other threads.

It seems to me that you need to find something else in your life to occupy your time.

They rebulit the Trinity Road stand ages ago (2001). Someone should really email UEFA and let them know!!

haha oh yeah!man they need to sort their act out. I think i will have to e-mail them about that and also tell them to have the stadium info in an easier to spot place on their website so n00bs like me don't make stupid mistakes....

im surprised actually that the allianz arena isnt on that list, to hold germany's top club and its stadium not to be 5* is a shame on munichs front.

Why isnt Bernabeu qualified as a 5 star stadium? Which bit of the criteria doesn't it meet?

haha oh yeah!man they need to sort their act out. I think i will have to e-mail them about that and also tell them to have the stadium info in an easier to spot place on their website so n00bs like me don't make stupid mistakes....

im surprised actually that the allianz arena isnt on that list, to hold germany's top club and its stadium not to be 5* is a shame on munichs front.

You didn't really make a mistake, just some bellend of a Madrid fan was talking mince on Wikipedia! Yeah, UEFA don't make it easy to find the info. I'm sure the Allianz Arena will be making it's way on to the list very very soon.

Why isnt Bernabeu qualified as a 5 star stadium? Which bit of the criteria doesn't it meet?

2 possible answers. 1st they might not have applied for 5 star status, so no inspection has taken place, the other is that they don't meet a certain criteria, but only Real Madrid/UEFA will know which one/one's!

Your point would be valid if it wasn't flawed to start with. Who said there'd be no light on? Wembley's cam is 24hr and the site remains partly illuminated at all times. Shame the same can't be said of you.

I can't help thinking that you're seizing on a relatively minor point in my post for no apparent reason other than mischief-making and are in doing so failing to address the main point which was made fairly clear.

Either contribute in the spirit intended by the thread or spare us your inane, unimpressive time-wasting drivel. I've wasted enough time reading through your pointless baiting of others in a number of other threads.

It seems to me that you need to find something else in your life to occupy your time.

You made a mistake....at least be man enough to admit it!! We all make mistakes, it's nothing to be ashamed of!

You made a mistake....at least be man enough to admit it!! We all make mistakes, it's nothing to be ashamed of!

I wasn't replying to you. Or is there a difference?

If not, then I direct you to the answer above.

I have a life to occupy my time, and it keeps me fairly busy too! But thanks for your concern!

Re: YOUR drivel - you basically said there is not enough information made available to curious members of the public. This is true. So what do you want me to do? You wanted dialogue and you got it. Not my fault it is not in the "nature" you originally desired, but quite honestly I do have better things to do than moan about the lack of access to a webcam at 2am! Plus "baiting" idiots such as yourself is much more fun than having a serious conversation about webcams anyway!

I do admire the effort that went into your original post though. But if you want my enlightened opinion, you make too many points in the one post - I can't reply to everyone all at once. So I picked one. And you had a hissy fit!

I can't win.

EADGBE - do you think this stadium should have a 24h webcam?

http://stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schottland/shawfield/150.jpg

omg, fighting over webcams?

Yup, EADGBE is trolling again!!

eh?, he started the thread,

but when he didn't like an answer, he threw the toys out the pram!!

Eadgbe can be quite childish at times

Yes, he has a lot to learn from the likes of yourself and the poster formerly known as Bubomb.

He is a decent enough poster, but he has a long way to travel in the stadium hierarchy! It will be quite a few years before he gets an invite to the annual stadium ball!

Eadgbe can be quite childish at times

he is not the only one

True, however I won't hold it against you 'its all guud'. Given time and an improvement in attitude, you too could join the ranks of us stadium forum legends!

forum legend? :hilarious :rofl:

seriously though, if you do work on YOUR attitude you can have proper discussions on stadium architecture

Given time and an improvement in attitude, you too could join the ranks of us stadium forum legends!


steady now.....let's not get carried away here!!

There is nothing wrong with my attitude. If all you architecture geeks grew up a bit, you'd see that.

excuse me but your the one who sounds like he is still in high school, seriously how old are you?

I don't appreciate you trying to "groom" me for god knows what! Anyway I am too old for that caper at 62... how old are you?

excuse me but your the one who sounds like he is still in high school, seriously how old are you?

c'mon, this isn't a celtic forum!! Any more of this type of chat and I will tell Big Jock!

who's Big Jock, it probably would've been funny if i knew what it meant

Big Jock certainly 'knew' what it meant!!

Theres nothing funny about protecting peadophiles.
And Celtic fans will tell you there is nothing wrong with it either.

OMG what the hell are you two on about, im gone see ya

If you win the European Cup, then protecting peadophiles is no big deal!! That's the celtic way!


"He sends one of yours to the boys club, you pump one of his up the bum, that's the celtic way"

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Away to browse the celtic minded forum are ya? Sniff yae!

You guys are a bunch of idiots.

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It is the new Zaragoza stadium/ (or toilet as somebody else said)
something different no, I like it and I believe they are allready constructiong it!

There are plans to redevelope Sanchez-Pizjuan stadium in Seville, they want to add a third tier and put roofs over the four stands.

But where are Bernabeu and San Siro, I thought they were four star stadia :?

Jesus Christ, for the last time, it is impossible for a stadium over 50000 to be 4 star.

Is it just me, or is this really easy to understand?? If you meet the criteria and have a capacity under 50000, then you are awarded 4 stars. If you meet the criteria and have a capacity over 50000, then you awarded 5 stars. It's not rocket science!!

The seats in the San Siro do not have backrests, and so this is one reason why it cannot be a 5 star stadium.

You also have to apply to UEFA for an inspection. If a club doesn't apply, then it will never be inspected and will never make the list!

Ok but the bernabeu was rated as a 4 star stadium and it doesn't appear in that list.
San Siro a couple of years ago was a 5 star.
;)

Ok but the bernabeu was rated as a 4 star stadium and it doesn't appear in that list.
San Siro a couple of years ago was a 5 star.
;)


hhhmmm interesting!! I have come to the conclusion that you are randomly talking utter shite!


Don't waste my motherfucking time

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He delivers again, here are the official pdf's fresh from UEFA themselves, proving once and for all that Celtic Park has zero stars. The other pdf shows the exact requirements for 4/5 star rating.

http://pictures.footymad.net/upload/247/284217-1.pdf
http://pictures.footymad.net/upload/247/284217-2.pdf

This is the real deal, use this whenever you need to refer to 4/5 star stadiums. Athens is a surprise, I didn't know that was a UEFA 5 star stadium!! A few of the capacities will need updated (Old Trafford, Ibrox and Villa Park)


This is really exelent, thank you. You wouldnt happen to know where I can find the UEFA demands for hosting a euro cup tournament, would you?

I thought I did not see it yet on this thread so i am gonna put it in.
I realy like the design of this stadium, from the inside it is perfect!
I understood this stadium was allready a sure thing, but... (always buts, I heard maybe everton and liverpool where going to do a San Siro thing, but that Everton had pulled out)
Opinions please! (about the stadium that is!

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And the new to be build Olympic stadium in London. This design is not final as I understood from somebody else on the forum. I got the photos from another thead on this forum about this stadium. Not alot news about it yet.
here it goes!
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As I look at the stadium it might be a cricket ground after the olympics or am I full bullshit now (not English so, i don't know if the current cricketground is holey or something)
More pictures please because it looks good! I think there are more on the other thread about this stadium some were great!

and one in the Netherlands, Fc Twente want to (for a long long time allready) double their cap. to I think above 25.000
This is all I have at this moment. the first ring is allready there.
New photos please!

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And the new to be build Olympic stadium in London. This design is not final as I understood from somebody else on the forum. I got the photos from another thead on this forum about this stadium. Not alot news about it yet.
here it goes!

As I look at the stadium it might be a cricket ground after the olympics or am I full bullshit now (not English so, i don't know if the current cricketground is holey or something)
More pictures please because it looks good! I think there are more on the other thread about this stadium some were great!

Its gonna be dropped to a 25,000 capacity after the games for an ongoing athletics stadium as no football team would play in a stadium with an athletics track which had to stay I think. Personally I think they should of left the capacity a bit higher so that it is capable of holding Athletics World Championships/Commonwelth Games in the future. Possibly even the odd Neutral football match.

On a related note, its good to see all these football grounds being built without running tracks around them, when I see one that does I feel a bit dissapointed.

Also, some of those gradients on the German grounds look crazily steep!

Its gonna be dropped to a 25,000 capacity after the games for an ongoing athletics stadium as no football team would play in a stadium with an athletics track which had to stay I think. Personally I think they should of left the capacity a bit higher so that it is capable of holding Athletics World Championships/Commonwelth Games in the future. Possibly even the odd Neutral football match.


i believe the capacity can be expanded if required, they'll store the extra seating away until they need it, although personally i cant see them ever having to. I think its a brilliant idea though, we dont want a massive empty stadium like the one in athens

i believe the capacity can be expanded if required, they'll store the extra seating away until they need it, although personally i cant see them ever having to. I think its a brilliant idea though, we dont want a massive empty stadium like the one in athens

It will certainly be one of the most unique olympic stadiums for a while. A bit of British Stadium Character to it (aka being a bit weird and uneven) ;)

apparently they were considering to reduce the capacity down to 50,000 or so, as they thought it would be waste of money to reduce it any more then that, i heard it from a good source but can't remember where and when, sorry

apparently they were considering to reduce the capacity down to 50,000 or so, as they thought it would be waste of money to reduce it any more then that, i heard it from a good source but can't remember where and when, sorry

I think it was on the thread about this stadium on this forum. We allready had the discussion there what to do with it after the olympics. There are some great pics there too!

I do have better things to do than moan about the lack of access to a webcam at 2am! (1)

Plus "baiting" idiots such as yourself is much more fun than having a serious conversation about webcams anyway! (2)

I do admire the effort that went into your original post though. But if you want my enlightened opinion, you make too many points in the one post (3) - I can't reply to everyone all at once. So I picked one. And you had a hissy fit!


(1) If you think that's the most important issue to discuss here, then save yourself the trouble of replying and the rest of us from reading it.

(2) At least you're being honest about your pathetic motives. It kind of throws into question what your definition of an idiot is, though.

(3) I'm sorry, I didn't realise there was a limit on points made per post - ooh, and I'm on my third one here! If the level of conversation is too sophisticated for you then you could always try this site (http://www.bobthebuilder.com)



he is not the only one

Thanks very much, by the way!

Remind me, when was the last time I ruined someone else's thread by descending into irrelevant and obscene subject matter?

At least it got 'Communards' banned but while 'Seth Gecko' remains, he'll do it again and again. I suspect they're the same person anyway. Throw in the Glasgow connection and you don't have to be Taggart to work out who it really is.

Any hope of a return to topic here?

FC Kaiserslautern has a good website with 3 webcams.

I though these were not on yet,
first the city of Sevilla. I remember there was a pole going on about which city had 3 stadiums 50.000 +, i guess Sevilla is in that one too

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Next op is Valencia, with one of my favourites. the stadium of Levante. I like the coulors. It is not that big, but I think it is just right! Valencia Cf does not need an intro I think.

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Madrid (Atletico and Real), a part of the famous Bernabeau, I like the Atletico stadium a lot !

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Then we have in my direct area, Alicante and Elche. Elche is not well known but is one of the bigger stadiums in Spain. Personaly I like Alicante, because it is an old mess and I like the city better, but that's off topic
(don't lett me girl hear it because she's from Elche and that is like Manchester Liverpool in small)
first Elche then Alicante

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Well I might as well put the South African stadiums on this one to:
Johannesburg soccercity.
cap 94.700
(I think there is allready another design for this one. but well)
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Port Elisabeth
cap. 49.500
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Nelspruit
cap. 40.000

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Polokwane (whereever that may be?)
cap. 40.000
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Rustenburg (the only one with a f.... runningtrack)
cap. 40.000
http://i5.tinypic.com/11j9k4w.jpg

Durban
Cap. 52.000

http://i5.tinypic.com/11j9kdv.jpg

Another nice one in
Pretoria
cap.40.000

http://i6.tinypic.com/11j9kll.jpg

Kimberley
cap. 40.000

http://i5.tinypic.com/11j9nac.jpg

Orkney
cap. 40.000
http://i6.tinypic.com/11j9nnn.jpg

that was it for today! have a nice weekend yall and I hope to see some new stuff on Monday!

Of topic and a pain in the ass, but any news about SA sites for construction of WC 2010?

surely allianz arena would be five star?

Of topic and a pain in the ass, but any news about SA sites for construction of WC 2010?
Nothing until after germany,SA is not allowed to do anything to take the slightest bit of attention away from germany

shit. I know you said before, thanks for the pics on the other thread anyway!

Athens is a surprise, I didn't know that was a UEFA 5 star stadium!!
Youd hope it would meet the criteria seeing it went through a massive redevelopment and hosted an Olympic games.
The only stadium I was suprised about was Ataturk when I first knew it was a 5 star stadium.

The list is incomplete. Philips Stadion is missing on the 4 star list. It hosted this years UEFA Cup final so it should clearly be there.

Yeah! Istanbul Ataturk :rock:
I was suprised about Athens' olympic stadium when i first knew it was a 5 star stadium,too
But both of them lookin impressive

The list is incomplete. Philips Stadion is missing on the 4 star list. It hosted this years UEFA Cup final so it should clearly be there.


The list is the most up-to-date available as it was sent out from UEFA’s media office about a week ago. Philips Stadion is 4 star as it held the UEFA Cup final a few weeks ago, but UEFA probably only update the list once a year, maybe less, so Philips Stadion will appear on the next update. Why don’t you email them and ask for an update you lazy cunt!! Do I have to do all the work??? You do your best and bellends like this have a go at you???

This is really exelent, thank you. You wouldnt happen to know where I can find the UEFA demands for hosting a euro cup tournament, would you?


Sorry I don't, but I am working on it. I will update you soon on my progress!

The two biggest stadiums and their surroundings in Barcelona city

Camp Nou (Home for FC Barcelona football team)
http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/1393/bara5ld.jpg

Estadi Olímpic (where the Olympic Games were held)
http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/3151/montjuic1uk.jpg

To all the non-believers, yes Athens is a 5 star stadium. Which is why it's hosting the 2007 Champions League final(which only 5 star stadiums can do).

Not bad for an "old bowl with a new roof" as Mo Rush likes to call it.

(1) If you think that's the most important issue to discuss here, then save yourself the trouble of replying and the rest of us from reading it.

(2) At least you're being honest about your pathetic motives. It kind of throws into question what your definition of an idiot is, though.

(3) I'm sorry, I didn't realise there was a limit on points made per post - ooh, and I'm on my third one here! If the level of conversation is too sophisticated for you then you could always try this site (http://www.bobthebuilder.com)





Thanks very much, by the way!

Remind me, when was the last time I ruined someone else's thread by descending into irrelevant and obscene subject matter?

At least it got 'Communards' banned but while 'Seth Gecko' remains, he'll do it again and again. I suspect they're the same person anyway. Throw in the Glasgow connection and you don't have to be Taggart to work out who it really is.

Any hope of a return to topic here?

Another bog standard pseudo intellectual post from yourself eadgbe. It doesn't take Taggart to figure out you have no idea what you're talking about, or who you're talking to, but I guess you don't quite have the intellect that old Taggart has/had, and so you plod on in ignorance.

But thanks for the link to the bob the builder site, if only the rest of your posts contained something as useful as that!

The fact that he still can't work out that Bubomb and Socrates are two different people just proves that he is no 'Taggart'!!

http://www.futbolplanet.de/images/tournaments/ca2007lg.gif
Venezuela will host Copa America (the oldest soccer championship in the world (1916)) in 2007. For that Venezuela has the job to build new stadiums, transportation ways, hotel facilities, etc.. Take a look at the new stadiums..

Luis Ramos Stadium
Capacity: 40000
City: Puerto La cruz
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/anzoateguib2.jpg
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/anzoateguib1.jpg
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/anzoateguib5.jpg

Polideportivo Cachamay
Capacity: 35000
City : Puerto Ordaz
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/4655/44615foto6if.gif
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9287/01abrir1lunes36ea.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/2827/buc0vx.png

Estadio Metropolitano de Maturin
Capacity: 40000
City: Maturin
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/maturinb2.jpg
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/maturinb3.jpg
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/maturinb1.jpg

Estadio Olimpico UCV
Capacity: 40000
City: Caracas
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/olimpicoucvbig_2.jpg
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/olimpicoucvbig.jpg

Estadio Agustin Tovar ''La Carolina''
Capacity: 30000
City: Barinas
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/barinasb1.jpg
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/barinasb3.jpg

Esatdio Pueblo Nuevo
Capacity: 42500
City: San Cristobal
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/tachirab1.jpg
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/tachirab1.jpg

Estadio Pachencho Romero
Capacity: 35000
City: Maracaibo
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/Pachenchob4.jpg
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/Pachenchob6.jpg

Estadio Metropolitano
Capacity: 40000
City: Merida
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/meridab1.jpg

Estadio de Barquisimeto
Capacity: 40000
City: Barquisimeto
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/barquisimetob.jpg

interesting, but unfortunately only two of the stadiums are suitable for football

no offence, but they aren't great looking stadia and why all those Athletic tracks???

My guess for why some of the larger stadiums aren't 5-stars are some of the lighting requirements and handicapped areas. I could see handicapped problems in some older stadiums. As far as the lighting, Athens would have had to meet HDTV lighting requirements which are something like 1800-2400 lumens(depending on the native broadcasting resolution of said network). Otherwise, there is not much that is stringent about the requirements. Any large new stadium in a major metropolitan area should be able to meet these requirements. Especially as HDTV spreads and disabled legislation because more regulated.

Celtic Park has over 60000 disabled seats!!

no offence, but they aren't great looking stadia and why all those Athletic tracks???

maybe they like athletics!

It's quite impressive for a smallish poor South American country like Venezuela. You have to put things into perspective!

Any construction pics?

Eadgbe is the sort of guy Jim Kerr named his band after!

or Peter Jackson's classic comedy horror -

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103873/

fANTASTIC :eek:

Brilliant! Heres eadgbe: :?

maybe its an athletics competition..just kidding...love venezuela..the girls from there are BEAUTIFUl! best of luck to venezuela hope to see these stadia complete...im sure the tournament will be awesome...

Heres eadgbe: :?

who starred in the film -

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112697/

Thanks for all the comments, u have to realize taht it is the first time venezuela is the hosting country of such an important socce tournament like this one.. Thta is why most of the stadia has to be build., i do not think they look that bad, all of them got somethin special, as well as how the are integrated to that caribbean enviroment taht sorrounds them.

Sorry I don't, but I am working on it. I will update you soon on my progress!
exelent, thank you very much...

At least Copa America will have some decent - some look quite cool - venues which is seldom seen. Yet... the competition is next year and you only have renders?

This is a photo of last december when the Metropolitan venue of Mérida was used for the openning of the national games. The stadium is not already built but its quite advanced in the construction, i will release somo photos soon.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3431/dscf06501uc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

You can see other photos of the same stadium at:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_Metropolitano_de_Mérida

Eadgbe is the sort of guy Jim Kerr named his band after!

If only there was a band called The Arrogant Bastards so I could counter your uber-intelligent wit.

You know nothing about me and still you remain convinced of your own importance. When was the last time you actually contributed something constructive to a thread on here? Any guise will do, banned or current (for that read about-to-be-banned)

Your contributions of late are a litany of second-rate one-liners, tired innuendo and constant self-infatuation. Kapflamm had the best idea.

If only there was a band called The Arrogant Bastards so I could counter your uber-intelligent wit.

You know nothing about me and still you remain convinced of your own importance. When was the last time you actually contributed something constructive to a thread on here? Any guise will do, banned or current (for that read about-to-be-banned)

Your contributions of late are a litany of second-rate one-liners, tired innuendo and constant self-infatuation. Kapflamm had the best idea.


off-topic again!!

At least Copa America will have some decent - some look quite cool - venues which is seldom seen. Yet... the competition is next year and you only have renders?

All stadiums are under construccion!

San Cristobal Casa Mayor De La Vinotinto
http://img330.imageshack.us/img330/8577/copaamerica7iu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/8469/afichecopasc026ml.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9712/logosc1xf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://www.comandosur.com.ve/copa_america.htm
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/index.asp?conten=sedes
:cheers:

It's quite impressive for a smallish poor South American country like Venezuela. You have to put things into perspective!

:toilet::toilet::toilet::toilet::toilet:

:toilet::toilet::toilet::toilet::toilet:

Ok, if that's your attitude then it's shit!! Fucking Diego's!

Ok, if that's your attitude then it's shit!! Fucking Diego's!


Dare to love . Dont get mad at us, but I see ur first comment kinda of rude. Im sure taht was not ur intention, but it may be out of line 4 some ppl

Metropolitano's roof reminds me Estádio Algarve's one.

By the way, which one will host the final?

Dare to love . Dont get mad at us, but I see ur first comment kinda of rude. Im sure taht was not ur intention, but it may be out of line 4 some ppl

I was defending the stadiums!! Your population is smallish (25 million), and in terms of infrastructure your country is behind most European countries, so taking that into account, I was stating that the stadiums are quite impressive! No reason for you to be offended!

Why so many athletic tracks....

Mexico va ganar esta copa.;)

^^ Why not? :D, I don't know about the rest of the country but in the case of Mérida, the stadium belongs to a greater sport complex so that’s why it has the track. I guess the take advantage and built many things in one :D

About the final, there's no information of the posible host of the final game but i guess it could be in Caracas or Maracaibo. About the openning game, i think it will be host in Mérida or Puerto Ordaz.

Dare to love . Dont get mad at us, but I see ur first comment kinda of rude. Im sure taht was not ur intention, but it may be out of line 4 some ppl

Unbelievably, I'm inclined to defend bubomb here. I was thinking the same thing as he did when I read through the thread. It's unfair to expact a country like Venezuela to have 8 or 10 50,000+ stadia, all especially for football.

Economic reality has to intervene somewhere. That's why you have the 30k-40k gounds that double as athletics venues. It's unfair to expect otherwise and it's a bit unfair to have a go at anyone who points this out. It's a bit like like saying "Don't patronise us!".

I understand what you mean about 'some people' but they should read the posts a bit more carefully and be a little less ready to perceive every reference as a criticism. The stadia are not to my taste but I'm never going to visit them. What's important is that they are fit for the purpose for which they are intended.

I hope Sky are showing the CA (next summer?), as in previous years. I'd like to see the finished versions as well as the games played in them.

they will never be ready on time... (manana manana manana :cheers: , can't get n with the thing on it damned) and I realy do not understand what is up with the atletic tracks...like atletics is a big sport in Venezuela, I would love to see some lady sprinters form Venezuela though...believe me I would have noticed.
Are they for safety reasons or something. For the rest the're okay I guess, well let's:cheers: another. untill manana (damn.)

Like many on this board, I also hate all the new generic stadiums (Riverside, Walkers, etc) so I was wondering what could a company do to make a new stadium have some character? I'm thinking about the 28,000-size stadiums, like the Walkers, how could you make it original? I'm thinking something like a different roof, or perhaps 2 smaller tiers rather than one all the way round.

Please post your thoughts and comments!

Perhaps like Boavista's stadium...

http://www.stadiumguide.com/bessa5.jpg

MK Dons new stadium (30,000) has 2 tiers and some weird pillars, its different from most new ones but is still crap

I would say that it needs somethi ng that looks like it doesn't belong, or looks out of the ordinary.

But really I dont think it could be put to any one thing or reason.

Perhaps like Boavista's stadium...

http://www.stadiumguide.com/bessa5.jpg


Charlie,would like Boavista's ground as a model for a new stadium for the R's

Loftus Rd has had is day don't you think?

HUGE BIG SCREENs!

33,000
kayeri 2nd Proposal
???
http://www.kayserim.net/haberekle/images/sporhaber020.jpg

Charlie,would like Boavista's ground as a model for a new stadium for the R's

Loftus Rd has had is day don't you think?

Perhaps so mate, I'd be sad to see it go but a new ground like that would be fantastic. I think the 2 tiers would retain the close proximity we have with LR, and the closed style would mean we still can get a cracking atmosphere going.

33,000
kayeri 2nd Proposal
???
http://www.kayserim.net/haberekle/images/sporhaber020.jpg

That looks a bit like the Atatürk Stadium in Istanbul.

first thing do not contract a company like HOK to design it... Then contract a real architect rather young who will not have the idea to use it's old designs. that's a start
then give him a white card and a deep wallet make sure to set minimal prerequisite and let him work.

There's a couple that are a little different. The KC Stadium in Hull, for example, kinda follows the 1 tier thing, but the second tier on the West side really makes a different to the overall appearance of the place. Apparently, they're gonna stick another one on the eastern side in the coming months as well. When / if they do that, it'll look a hell of a lot better than stadia with a similiar capacity;

http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/asset_store/imagebank/low_res/17_KC_Stadium_at_night.JPG

It's basically simple things. Mostly, it seems, the trouble is that clubs generally want what is most economically viable, not what looks good.

When Middlesbrough opened their stadium, there were few complaints about boring blandness. It's just that so many teams copied them. It probably turns out that it is the cost-effective way to give 30.000 fans a good view and include a couple of corporate boxes. Why would a team spend 10 mil. quid extra for the sake of design, instead of buying a couple of decent players?

I've often fantasized about being as rich as Abramovich (Croesus is so passe) and buying Spurs and building a new stadium, money no object.

First things first. It would be built on the same site (or adjacent) so that no name change would be required and everyone could take their same route to the ground and drink at the same pub.

I would invite many different architectural firms to pitch for the project. The design brief would include the following guidelines:

1. The stands must be built as close to the pitch as the FA / UEFA will allow.

2. The design and materials used (particularly of the roof) must enhance the atmosphere.

3. There must be no seat that has an imperfect or incomplete view of both the pitch and the rest of the stadium.

4. Go to town on the exterior of the stadium. Indulge your imagination. Make it original. Make it memorable. Make it beautiful. But don't make it tacky. Nothing kitch. nothing fussy.

5. Internally, the stadium must not consist of regular and uniform tiers all the way around. We are not striving for symmetry. We are looking for a deeper interpretation of beauty - one that understands that fallibility and idiosyncrasy (not perfection) is what makes us truly love something or someone. Give the fans genuinely good reason to call an end or a side by a familiar name, rather than just "north stand" or "Macdonalds end". Think of the old Shelf at White Hart Lane. Or the Kop at Anfield.

6. Of course, whatever the design, the stadium should be blessed with top class facilities.

7. Capacity 65,000.



If only.........!!

Boavista is a superb example of a new 30000 stadium, as is the Reebok.

Wow, you talk so passionately about it, clearly you have given it some deep thought! Clearly, as you say, stadiums need time to gain heritage and not having a plain stadium would help build an identity and character, good point. That's the problem for us London clubs, areas to build new grounds are scarce and expensive.

I suppose companies like HOK would be looking to build cost-effective stadia, and a young architect would introduce something new, but it could be too radical for some people's likings...

Kwakzalver also raises a good point, I suppose Riverside was just a way for 30,000 people to have a good view, unique design was surplus to requirements.

There's a couple that are a little different. The KC Stadium in Hull, for example, kinda follows the 1 tier thing, but the second tier on the West side really makes a different to the overall appearance of the place. Apparently, they're gonna stick another one on the eastern side in the coming months as well. When / if they do that, it'll look a hell of a lot better than stadia with a similiar capacity;

From the description it sounds a bit like Hampden, but looking at pictures it is slightly different, though basically the same idea. If a second tier was added opposite to mirror the stand with the 2nd tier already there, then the stadium would lose a lot of its distinctiveness. It will end up like the Kobe Wing stadium in Japan, and many others that have a similar design.
eg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/asia/japan/kinki/kobe_wing.jpg

I would however still like to see how easily/effectively this is done, in the hope that another tier can be added to Hampden at the shyte bits and in particular the very small North Stand.

(Being distinctive is only good when you are not destinctive for being rubbish.)

It definately comes down to money, how much a club is willing to spend on their stadium.

Like mentioned earlier stadiums such as the Riverside, Walkers, St. Marys etc are designed the way they are because the design provides optimum value for money which is extremely important for clubs like Boro, Leicester, Southampton etc. due to how volatile the financial aspect of football can be. The simplicity of the designs also allows for quick and easy expansion to the stadium, again optimum effieciency. If the stadium had an unusual or complex design then expanding the stadium would be very difficult and therefore very expensive.

It is a shame these 'idenitikit' stadiums have to be built. They are easy on the eye but they lack character. For these clubs, which is unfortunate for us, the originality of the stadium design is not high on the list. It's the nature of football these days, unfortunately money comes first.

- Integrate it into the surrounding neighborhood architecturally for the most part, but include parts that are indicative of that areas history and have part of it be forward in design.

- Differentiate at least one stand from the rest.

- Create a distinctive surrounding or place it in a unique location(See AT&T Park)

- Create at least one distinctive feature, either built from scratch or integrated from the surroundings(see the warehouse at Camden Yards)

OR

- Create something so weird and different that people talk about it, good or bad. At the same time, it needs to be super functional, comfortable and have great sightlines.

From the description it sounds a bit like Hampden, but looking at pictures it is slightly different, though basically the same idea. If a second tier was added opposite to mirror the stand with the 2nd tier already there, then the stadium would lose a lot of its distinctiveness. It will end up like the Kobe Wing stadium in Japan, and many others that have a similar design.

I sorta thought of that as well, but at the same time, unlike most other stadia, there is actually an overhang at the KC that most other's don't have. It's not a huge overhang, but it's still there and I could see that giving room to play with - change the size of the overhang / pitch of the new stand etc.

The other thing about the KC is the roof structure. Even if another tier was built on the East side, the North and South ends would still maintain the sloping rooves they have at present, at least according to a local Hull paper a month or two back. If anything, I think, given the dramatic increase in height that would then be required, you'd end up with two stands that, while fundamentally the same build, would actually look quite different, especially from the outside.

I would however still like to see how easily/effectively this is done, in the hope that another tier can be added to Hampden at the shyte bits and in particular the very small North Stand.

As far as I am aware, it's quite an easy build project, at least in Hull, as the stadium was built with expansion in mind - the football and rugby teams that play there are getting better and gaining more and more support and this was realised at the time of the build. I'm not sure if the same could be said for Hampden. I'm not sure it was built with expansion in mind. From what I know, the Hull job should be exceptionally easy.

As I like to see designs of stadiums and I usealy cannot wait untill the damn stadium is finished I wounder on the internet for designs (Like the most of you lot I guess)
Does anyone of you have websitesadress where you can look for stadiums.
Not like worldstadiums or something but like this

http://www.zwarts.jansma.nl/listpublish.php?q_mm=&q_keyword=256

or this

http://www.hoksve.com/sport/projects/proj_list_type_Stadium_1.htm

I wounder, make me go :eek2:

I've often fantasized about being as rich as Abramovich (Croesus is so passe) and buying Spurs and building a new stadium, money no object.

First things first. It would be built on the same site (or adjacent) so that no name change would be required and everyone could take their same route to the ground and drink at the same pub.

I would invite many different architectural firms to pitch for the project. The design brief would include the following guidelines:

1. The stands must be built as close to the pitch as the FA / UEFA will allow.

2. The design and materials used (particularly of the roof) must enhance the atmosphere.

3. There must be no seat that has an imperfect or incomplete view of both the pitch and the rest of the stadium.

4. Go to town on the exterior of the stadium. Indulge your imagination. Make it original. Make it memorable. Make it beautiful. But don't make it tacky. Nothing kitch. nothing fussy.

5. Internally, the stadium must not consist of regular and uniform tiers all the way around. We are not striving for symmetry. We are looking for a deeper interpretation of beauty - one that understands that fallibility and idiosyncrasy (not perfection) is what makes us truly love something or someone. Give the fans genuinely good reason to call an end or a side by a familiar name, rather than just "north stand" or "Macdonalds end". Think of the old Shelf at White Hart Lane. Or the Kop at Anfield.

6. Of course, whatever the design, the stadium should be blessed with top class facilities.

7. Capacity 65,000.

If only.........!!

The fact Roman seems so uninterested in the stadium is one of the main reasons I dislike his team so much. With that kind of money a true philanthropist should be looking after the fans first by increasing capacity and dropping prices. The sad thing is that with so few clubs having that kind of money and the increases in builting cost the only way new stadiums can make a statement is with gimmicky modern design.

As a Crystal Palace fan I'd love to build something on the site of the original structure that mixed an immitation of the ironic glass front and neo classical/gothic stonework. Come to think of it such a stadium built could also have been an alternative to Wembley if they'd put the Millenium Dome cash into it, you've even got the historical connection as the old stadium on that site used to host the final quite often before Wembley was built.

I think the Reebok is the definitive '30k stadium that breaks the mould'. I drove up Rivington hill a couple of weeks ago and looked down onto the ground. It was a sunny day and it just looked superb. It's just so perfectly proportioned and laid-out. And it's not bad when you go in it, either.

I agree with almost all the points made. It would need to be truly distinctive in some way. Rooflines and stand 'flow' are the most obvious ways to govern this but remember, even the Allianz is ostensibly a 3-tier Walkers with a fancy roof. That says to me that distinctiveness doesn't have to challenge everything we cite as uninspiring for the sake of it. It just has to do what it sets out to do incredibly well.

I also totally agree with the point about Abramovich. However much money they have or trophies they collect, Chelsea will ever have the class of, say, Barcelona because they are fundamentally opposite in their nature. I'd rather live in a democracy than an oligarchy. And I'd take the cheapest seat at the Nou Camp over the best suite at the Bridge any day.

I didn't know that Hull were going to 'mirror' the main stand at the KC. That would be good.

I didn't know that Hull were going to 'mirror' the main stand at the KC. That would be good.

(UN)fortunately, I've been living there for the past few years, and apparently because of the success of the Rugby League team, more capacity is needed. I honestly can't tell you if it needs to be or not. I'm more of a union man myself. I've been to a few Hull City matches though, and even then, it's only the away end that's empty. I'm looking forward to seeing the end result. The K.C. is the most inspiring bulding in Hull.

I'm more of a union man myself.

http://www.myimpactengine.com/members/12132002171758060725/Union%20Yes.jpg

Though I am not sure if they would be the same for European taste I am going to go for what seems to work best for U.S. stadiums....

1. Put the stadium in the middle of a neighborhood. One where both the stadium and community around it can thrive and have a mutual dependancy and gives both a sense of charechter that is hard to replicate. This obviously means little if any parking lots and near PT.
2. Have one end of the stadium at least partially look out onto downtown, landmark, or a scenic part of the city. Though symetrical stands seem to be popular with Europeans here there is a sense of sameness when you do this. In American stadiums ones which have a sense of space beyond the stadium they often give a stadium a very unique feel.
3. Stands as close and tight as possiable up the field (definatley shared by both Europeans and Americans).
4. High is not good. While inclined seating is good getting too high is bad. It is a delicate balence. The lower you can hold down tiers down to ground level (within reason) the better. If too high once thinks he is looking at overhead view on your AE sports game system.

the outside of the stadium should have a scoreboard

I think setting is very important. Any stadium trying to achieve what may be an elusive quality called "character" has to take its surroundings into account. A stadium that respects the architectural influence around it, fits well into the skyline of the surrounding region, and offers some sort of historical or traditional attachment would go a long way in achieving character. A reasonable yet moderate capacity always helps in bringing spectators closer to the action allowing for a more intimate feel. I think removing uneccessary clutter in and around a stadium can help too, nothing too dramatic or over the top in terms of the design is a pro, use materials that arent to painful on the eye, and in most cases bringing the people to the stadium and making it truly theirs can help build a stadiums character...

Allianz Arena.

i was just wondering when google earth is going to update many of their cities so we can see the stadiums? for example athens olympic stadium and the mcg are still shown under construction.

Hey Google has updated a lot in the last week. Cut them some slack. Check out what HAS been updated!

does it matter what version i am using?

Los mas bonitos de todos a mi parecer son el de Merida y el de la Campiña en Barquisimeto.

Saludos.

_____________________________________________________


But the pretty ones of all to my to seem are the one of Merida and the one of the Countryside in Barquisimeto. Greetings.

I think there are a couple of modern stadiums in the UK with some character... namely the Stadium of Light, Sunderland and Eastlands, Manchester City.

There are many aspects which make modern stadiums have less character so I have picked out one thing I would like to see:

Many old stadiums are rectangular, this fits in perfectly with the stadium's surroundings. Highbury is a good example of this but there are many more, with one or more sides of the stadium creating a street frontage facing the houses opposite. This is missing in many modern stadia, which are often oval shaped (not that they need to be) and this shape does not fit in with the surroundings, creating large areas of open space at the corners which can only really be used for car parking. Yes, car parking has to be somewhere, but it doesn't have dominate the stadium's setting; maybe a multistory car park down the road with a little bit of disabled and VIP parking on the stadium site itself. If the stadium is to be oval shaped then the area around it can be filled in with a distinctive yet traditional network of streets (oval streetscapes can be very distinctive, many cricket grounds have oval streetscapes around them), these streets can contain hotels, community facilities, shops, bars and other facilities which are usually all consolidated within the one building.

Also I like the American idea of providing a vista towards some distinctive local feature.

Yes a lot of older London grounds (Loftus Rd, Highbury etc) are rectangular, and open out right onto the street. This makes the tube and public transport a lot easier to get to the ground, as parking spaces are never obvious. We don't have the luxury of available, affordable space :(.

Love it, has a lot more charecter than similar sized new stadiums in the UK. And very cheap too!

Esos renders los hace un estudiante de 1º de arquitectura. No me atrae ninguno

There are a couple of very nice stadiums, nevertheless, I've never liked the name, "Copa America" because is not.

It is a South American tournament where 2 or 3 central or north american teams are invited, I realize that the football quality of South America is way superior than the rest of the continent, but I just wanted to point my desagreement with the cup name.

All you need is Mexico and the USA, it's not like the rest of the CONCACAF teams have a chance to win it.

Is there any Third World Country with an Olympics Stadium??

Mexico city?

Is there any Third World Country with an Olympics Stadium??


This remark is infested with racist connotations and ignorance. I am certainly not impressed. Are you trying to degrade the so called subjectively and arbritarily classified third world countries?

This remark is infested with racist connotations and ignorance. I am certainly not impressed. Are you trying to degrade the so called subjectively and arbritarily classified third world countries?


eh, that's a :eek2: full. I think it is just a question no?

Russia has not bulldozed its old 1980 one has it?

Is Russia a third world country???

Not at all.

Is Russia a third world country???

neither is Mexico

This remark is infested with racist connotations and ignorance. I am certainly not impressed. Are you trying to degrade the so called subjectively and arbritarily classified third world countries?

I agree

Third World countries are countries like El Salvador,Guatemala,Belize,Nicaragua,Honduras,Bolivia,Paraguay,Philippines....I don't think they would have an olympic stadium...And yes,Mexico is not a 3rd world country. If people consider Colombia to be a 3rd world country then they have an olympic stadium.

Here you have some stadium informations in Colombia.... (http://www.worldstadiums.com/south_america/countries/colombia.shtml)

This remark is infested with racist connotations and ignorance. I am certainly not impressed. Are you trying to degrade the so called subjectively and arbritarily classified third world countries?

I agree as well..

:sleepy:

the term "third world country" is politically incorrect and offensive

if u want to ask this question please use "underdeveloped, developing or developed nation"

"Third World" is not an offensive term in itself, in fact "underdeveloped" is quite offensive, because it implies that there is only one measure of development and classifies countries accordingly. I dislike "developing" as well.
"third world" doesn't involve a hierarchy as many people assume, it is not saying that there is a "first" "second" and "third" worlds.
It is in fact a French term in relation to the term "tiers etat" that existed before the French revolution, when the representative assembly during the monarchy(etats generaux) gave the majority of the population (bourgeoisie, peasants and other commoners) a small representation and very little voting power, while the elites and the aristocracy monopolized voice and representation.
So, "third World" was a political term, refering to a "silent" and underrepresented majority. Which is quite accurate.

In fact, I like the term "third world", nowadays people tend to find it "outdated" and "too political", so they use "neutral" terms like "developing countries" where they imply that the difference between the West and the Rest is purely economic and technical....

The term "Third World" doesn't exist anymore. It's either underdeveloped, middle or industrialized

you people need to update your definitions of the term "third world" country. During the Cold War, it was a common monicker for the developing countries undecided which concept of government to follow ... the USSR being "first world" communist, the USA being 2nd world "capitalist". The 3rd world had the option which system to follow, and were mostly poor, developing nations, thus the term "3rd world nation" has a negative connotation due to the economic strife of most of them.

Design and details revealed last June

AFL designs Abu Dhabi Al Jazira Club

http://aljazrawy.net/pics/2005_3.jpg

http://www.itp.net/pictures/news/stadium-body.jpg

Leading stadium architect AFL has revealed its winning designs for a new US $59 million (AED215 million) stadium for Al Jazira Football Club in Abu Dhabi.

The designs won AFL the first place in an international competition run by the club, beating off strong competition from around the world, including entrants from Germany, America, Canada and France. The new 40 000 seater two tier Mohammed Bin Zayed stadium will incorporate two spectacular corner developments containing commercial office space and luxury apartments. It aims to significantly improve the spectator experience by replicating features of UK premiership grounds.

some more renderings

http://www.jc.ae/jazira/user/admin/english/news/newstad.gif

http://www.uaegoal.com/ibgoal/uploads/post-616-1116061469.jpg

The Al Jazira Sports and Cultural Club will be one of the region's most modern sporting facilities. The development will be complete in October this year. Spread over 2200 square meters and overlooking Al Jazira Club Stadium, the total cost of the two, new 15 storey towers accounts to USD 36 million. One of the two towers will solely serve as commercial office space, while the other will comprise luxurious residential apartments. The timeframe for completion as stated in the agreement is 22 months, effective from the beginning of next July 2007- being the project commencement date.

some updates by BinAlain

06-06-06

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http://up.w6wup.com/up2/2006/06/06/w6w_200606062305358a467964.jpg

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http://up.w6wup.com/up2/2006/06/06/w6w_20060606231258d17f5f9a.jpg

http://www.jc.ae/jazira/user/admin/arabic/AdditionalFiles/Picture/1279517454129694222-towers-01.gif

http://www.jc.ae/jazira/user/admin/arabic/AdditionalFiles/Picture/1279517454132819222-towers-02.gif

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http://www.jc.ae/jazira/user/admin/arabic/AdditionalFiles/Picture/1279517454135944222-towers-04.gif

When is it expected to be done? 2029? :hilarious

acordate muerto de hambre quien te dio de comer cunando ustedes los del primer mundo estaban en plena guerra mundial, acordate un poco reverendo hijo de .......acordate también adonde vinieron los españoles, portugueses, italianos, irlandeses y demás cuando en sus países se cagaban de hambre........respetá un poco pelotudo

^ ummmmm
what was that about?

PS: Hey mAROMAS !!
:P

Third World countries are countries like El Salvador,Guatemala,Belize,Nicaragua,Honduras,Bolivia,Paraguay,Philippines....I don't think they would have an olympic stadium...And yes,Mexico is not a 3rd world country. If people consider Colombia to be a 3rd world country then they have an olympic stadium.

Here you have some stadium informations in Colombia.... (http://www.worldstadiums.com/south_america/countries/colombia.shtml)

I agree... even if most people ignore the facts, countries like Mexico, Colombia, etc.. have a much better infrastructure and higher development levels than most centroamerican, southeast asian, african countries, etc...

Therefore, one can´t call all of them 3rd world (which is a very offesnive term and should no longer be used). Instead, there are different levels of development: some countries are industrialized, some of them are almost fully developed, some are developing and the others are less developed.

You are so right Diboto.
:P

The term "Third World" doesn't exist anymore. It's either underdeveloped, middle or industrialized
China has the 4th largest economy. Comparing to France(6), the UK(5).etc..would you call China middle or industrialized?? Sometimes, I think the term "third world' is easier to use because it has a broader meaning...just my opinion.:cheers:

Mexico city?


MEXICO IT IS NOT THIRD WORLD, ITS A DEVELPOING COUNTRY. OR CALL IT 2ND WORLD IN A 1,2,3 BASIS, ITS A NATION WITH MONEY (BETWEEN THE FIRST 10 ECONOMIES IN THE WORLD) IT IS JUST NOT DISTRIBUTED AS IT SHOULD.

2nd world stood for the soviet-block nations.

Developing, under-developed, developed are very meaningless expressions.

knowing how quickly Abu Dhabi develops in comparison to Wembley,

TOMORROW!!!

:lock:

China has the 4th largest economy. Comparing to France(6), the UK(5).etc..would you call China middle or industrialized?? Sometimes, I think the term "third world' is easier to use because it has a broader meaning...just my opinion.:cheers:

It's like Malaysia. Would you consider Malaysia "Third World"?

Anyway, I think this thread will be doomed to oblivion

:lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock:

I respect what some viewers have said about my comments, but what I merely meant by third-world were poor countries, which war and money issues. They weren't at all meant to be racist. I would know that because I come from a third world country! As I said its not meant to be racist: its just a fact...

The Third World still exists. China is still considered Third World actually. It is a developing country, but certainly not up to First World (Western) standards. The Second World doesn't exist anymore. That was the USSR-block.

I think the Olympic movement is trying to be more inclusive by giving poorer countries a chance to host the games. After all, it's not just a rich Western club.

smussuw are u blind or can you not see the construction pictures? the progress is really good and we can expect completion within a year for the stadium and maybe a little more time for the towers

With the cost of the Olympics, could any non-super-rich nation afford them? I mean, as it is, most of the recent Olympic host cities from the super-rich countries have incurred massive debt from hosting the Games.

from the outside it looks more like a NASA building than a stadium.

well Krazy, Ive seen the construction pictures of Sheikh Zayed mosque and it doesnt look like it is going to finish anytime soon :D :runaway:

errr... why would you ask about an OLYMPIC STADIUM.... olympic stadiums are only built for the olympic games! maybe you should have used: LARGE CAPACITY STADIUM.... or STADIUM with N+ capacity (N=any number)

yup, this thread should be closed.....

I think it's about time to close this thread (you were right globocentric... I admit)

With the cost of the Olympics, could any non-super-rich nation afford them? I mean, as it is, most of the recent Olympic host cities from the super-rich countries have incurred massive debt from hosting the Games.
The IOC has been trying hard to send the Games to South America and Africa. Back a few years ago, there was great anticipation that Africa would be able to win a bid. While there is a significant cost in building the infrastructure for the Games, I think there is more open-ness nowadays to bring he Olympic movement to the developing world than 50 years ago.

China is not a super-rich country, yet Beijing is still capable of building all the facilities for 2008.

China as a whole is pretty super-rich. Plus you can't discount the governmental control over monies in comparison to others.

MEXICO IT IS NOT THIRD WORLD, ITS A DEVELPOING COUNTRY. OR CALL IT 2ND WORLD IN A 1,2,3 BASIS, ITS A NATION WITH MONEY (BETWEEN THE FIRST 10 ECONOMIES IN THE WORLD) IT IS JUST NOT DISTRIBUTED AS IT SHOULD.

Why you think I put a questionmark there you peace of .... :bash:
Nice stadiums there though

What are the criteria for un olympic stadium? there are loads of stadiums in Africa with atletic tracks if that's the case

errr... why would you ask about an OLYMPIC STADIUM.... olympic stadiums are only built for the olympic games! maybe you should have used: LARGE CAPACITY STADIUM.... or STADIUM with N+ capacity (N=any number)

yup, this thread should be closed.....

ERRRRRRRRRRRRR....That's what my question was...Is there a third world country with an Olympic Stadium? I'm sure its not THAT hard to understand?? :)

No maybe this thread doesn't need to close..

What are the criteria for un olympic stadium? there are loads of stadiums in Africa with atletic tracks if that's the case

It's pretty obvious to me, a stadium that has hosted the Opening/Closing ceremonies of the Olympic Games, and the track+field events.

The only cities in the World that have the ability to claim ownership of them are Athens, Paris, St. Louis, London, Stockolm, Antwerp, Amsterdam, Los Angeles, Berlin, Helsinki, Melbourne, Rome, Tokyo, Mexico City, Munich, Montreal, Moscow, Seoul, Barcelona, Atlanta, Sydney and Beijing.

NONE OF THESE ARE THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES. The Olympic Games should go to Africa, South America, etc.. but only to the some nations in them that could pull it off (eg/ South Africa, Argentina, Brazil)

This remark is infested with racist connotations and ignorance. I am certainly not impressed. Are you trying to degrade the so called subjectively and arbritarily classified third world countries?


ditto... i agree with you. whoever posted this thread has no heart...

I hate the stadium, it looks chunky... I don't know since when we have compared stadiums to humans but I just have. But good luck to it.

yuck.

not a good design for a stadium

I see roof in this rendering

http://www.uaegoal.com/ibgoal/uploads/post-616-1116061469.jpg

I can't see roof in this rendering

http://www.jc.ae/jazira/user/admin/arabic/AdditionalFiles/Picture/1279517454135944222-towers-04.gif

Which one is the case?

BTW ...i like the stadium a lot! :)

4 different stand
its crazy :D

Nice stadium, and of course, like in the whole UAE, towers :D

Well atleast it is something we have never seen before! I like it!

Ew...comeon, they can do way better.

I would have to agree with the greek, they could have done better,
BUT i love the idea of having offices in the towers facing the ground!

^^ Wouldnt Apartmnents be better to have facing the ground? Or a hotel?

Yaa, but offices should be better, because when you buy an apatment you want a good view all the time & matches wont be played all the time at the stadium.

well Krazy, Ive seen the construction pictures of Sheikh Zayed mosque and it doesnt look like it is going to finish anytime soon :D :runaway:

That doesnt make sense... using your logic there are projects like Bur Juman and Attar Tower in Dubai which are taking forever.. does that mean every project in Dubai is delayed? :weirdo:

Guys obviously the design wasnt finalized intially when it was released to the press... I'm sure this will be a very beautiful stadium along with the towers and the whole thing will look great on completion :cheers:

I think the new Guipuzkoarena for Real Sociedad in Spain has also towers behind the stands, and they support the roof.

Depends on how you look at it: in purely factual terms, yes. Helsinki is built on the bedrock which used to be the eastern branch of the Scandi mountains, and the same mountains cover large parts of Finnish Lapland. In that sense Denmark actually isn't part of Scandinavia because the Scandi mountains don't reach to Denmark.

In terms of "cultural Scandinavia" the question is a little more difficult, but I think we should still consider Finland as a part of Scandinavia as the differences in culture tend to be very superficial (republic vs. monarchy etc).

This is how I see it, feel free to disagree.

Oh my god.. Finland isnt a part of Scandinavia :S
Findland and Iceland is a part of the North thats true.
The Scandinavian countries is Denmark,Sweden and Norway!

^^It doesnt really matter, does it...?

You might catch AZ - PSV (or even better; Ajax - PSV) in August for the Dutch Super Cup. It's played in Amsterdam Arena but there's no date set yet. Usually it's in early August or something, last year it was August 5th, and the stadium is always half-empty so there'll be no problem getting tickets. It should be a nice match but the atmosphere's going to be worthless I can tell you that.

I'm not sure what match it's going to be. This sunday, Ajax - PSV is the match for the Gatorade Cup, the Dutch cup. The Super Cup is the match between the cupwinner and leaguewinner. PSV has won the league but they might win the cup also and since they can't play their own team, the second team of the league (in this case, AZ) participates in the Super Cup. The Super Cup is called Johan Cruijff Schaal btw.
When PSV wins the Gatorade Cup this Sunday, you'll see AZ - PSV.
When Ajax wins the Gatorade Cup this Sunday, you'll see Ajax - PSV.

Amsterdam Arena is Ajax' stadium, so when Ajax plays in the Super Cup there should be more people on the stands and a way better atmosphere. I'll keep you updated who wins.

Yep, Ajax have won it and so, August 13, Ajax plays against PSV in the Amsteram Arena.

I found out a really interesting tournament: The Amsterdam Tournament: Friday 4 and Saturday 5 August. Competing teams are AFC Ajax, FC Porto, Inter Milano en Manchester United. It is played in the Amsterdam Arena.

For more info check the Ajax Website in Dutch (http://www.ajax.nl) or in English (http://english.ajax.nl/)

In Allianz Arena there will be two pre-season games
02. August: Bayern Munich vs. Bayer Leverkusen or FC Schalke 04 (Semifinal Premiere-Ligapokal)
08. August: Bayern Munich - TSV 1860 (farewell party for Giovane Elber)

Tickets for the farewell-party are available on www.fcb.de (https://tickets.fcbayern.de/internetverkauf/IS02.aspx)

I'd agree with the person who said that catching a game at Borussia Dortmund would give you a good experience of European football. Big, noisy crowd. Traditional stadium. Unfortunately, they're rather a crap team at the moment. Try to get tickets for a game against Schalke (local derby) or Bayern Munich.

Otherwise, the Milan derby is an awesome experience.

my dutch buddy suggests the Arena

I'm honest enough to admit the atmosphere in the Arena could be a lot better, but nothing wrong with some foreign attention for my team :p

The atmosphere in Holland is not top of the bill, we don't have major teams like Borussia Dortmund or Ol. Marseille, but then again the Arena is architectually a beautiful stadium. I'm not sending anyone to the Rotterdam cockroaches, although they seem to have a reputation on atmosphere.

When I keep it Dutch you're ought to visit the Euroborg in Groningen, it is known as The Green Hell Of The North. Should say enough.

When in Germany, I'll suggest Borussia Dortmund and in France Olympique Marseille, but that shouldn't be a surprise. The best thing is to visit a fierce derby, a so called classic:

Ajax-Feyenoord
AS Roma - Lazio Roma
AC Milan - Internazionale
Barcelona - Real Madrid
Liverpool - Manchester United

These are the major teams, there are enough small team derbies in each country, in my country e.g. Vitesse - NEC is the biggest small derby, FC Twente - Heracles is another.

Some pic from Borussia Dortmund:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_fans/templates/fanfotos_fussball/deutschland/borussia_dortmund/saison20052006/liga_17/110mw.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_fans/templates/fanfotos_fussball/deutschland/borussia_dortmund/saison20052006/liga_11/130.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_fans/templates/fanfotos_fussball/deutschland/borussia_dortmund/saison20052006/liga_2/140.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_fans/templates/fanfotos_fussball/deutschland/borussia_dortmund/saison20052006/liga_2/260.jpg

Olympique Marseille
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_fans/templates/fanfotos_fussball/frankreich/olympique_marseille/saison20052006/uefa_cup_8/145.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_fans/templates/fanfotos_fussball/frankreich/olympique_marseille/saison20052006/uefa_cup_8/160.jpg


Ajax
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http://www.ajaxfotoside.net/0405/fnoord/IMG_1155.JPG
http://www.ajaxfotoside.net/0405/fnoord/Img_0021.jpg
One country, one city, one club

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I'd say Anfield, the best atmosphere, best crowd, best team, best manager, the stadium.........its okay.
One of the best atmospheres on a big European night, but go for a normal league game and quite often you'll be able to hear the players shout to each other. And the games that do generate an atmosphere, you won't be able to get a ticket for, Liverpool v. Man Utd will be a sell out. Saying that, it should be easier to get a ticket for Man Utd v. Liverpool or Man Utd v. Man City with Old Trafford's extra capacity. Arsenal should also be easier to get a ticket for. Chelsea will be still almost impossible.

Hello, everyone! This is my first thread and i hope that it will be interesting for you. Well, this arena should contain 5.500 people in basketball matches (quite big for Lithuania). Opening - 2007 Spring. You can compare biggest world arenas and this. I think you won't laugh. (my English is very bad - forgive me :) )
I promise to put there some photos.

Some visualizations:
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2006-04-26
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The looks of it are great but its a pitty that its that small, but you did write that its big enough for Lithuania's standards so i guess it's ok.

2006.07.04:

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awesome

yeah. It should be second biggest arena in Lithuania. The first is Siemens arena (capacity - 12000 seats) in Vilnius. And now there is a project of the biggest arena in Lithuania - Kaunas' arena (capacity ~15000 seats)

That arena looks much bigger than 5.5k

Looks pretty good, especially for a small arena, where design and functionalety are often overlooked...

I agree that she looks bigger. I hope that builders will do a mistake and will build a 12000 seats arena. That should be a big surprise!

Prior to the openning of Camden Yards in Baltimore, it seems any serious ranking of baseball parks put the two oldest, Fenway and Wrigley, on top. Sometimes Fenway would be #1, other times it was Wrigley. Either way, the message was clear: there is nothing you can put on the ground today that can compare with these ancient gems.

Oriole Park, as stated, changed everything. Retro-stadiums started going up all over the place and the post-retro era has been producing ground breaking new stadiums that offer warmth and style but take park construction in whole new directions.

The question is, omewhere-along-the-way, did Wrigley and Fenway lose their status as incomprebile? Sure they are still loved, reverred, and cherished, but have them been replaced at the top of the heap by some of the newer parks.

I've seen enough recent surveys that seem to say that the ultimate ball park today doesn't have ivy or a green monster in the outfield, but a cove and a coke bottle.

I'm done praising Fenway...the beauty just isn't there for me anymore. Wrigley still deserves to be in the Top 3 no matter who's taking count, though. The environment is still fantastic, and the simple, subtle additions work. Fenway is becoming too commercial.

There is NO WAY that the San Fran park, whatever it's named now, is #1. If it was built out in the mountains and not on the cove, it'd be condemned by now. There's nothing fantastic about it, except for the view and the splash.

Was it Bill Plaschke who said that it smelled like garlic fries? It's got some funk...

I don't know if they have lost their crowns but the retro parks have definitely taken some allure away from them.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/cubs/cst-spt-wrigley02.html

^ Do you agree?

If your like me, you believe stadiums look their best when they are glorified by the presence of Fireworks.

Any pics of stadiums with fireworks around? I will post some of my faves later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi5shAWuG6Y

possibly my fave display of all time.

da luz stadium (euro cup final 4thJuly of 2004)
http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s040763/fotos/Euro04_final.jpg

Athens Olympics fireworks
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040829/040829_closing_ceremony_hmed_12p.hmedium.jpg
http://www.vivid.ro/vivid65/pictures65/athens_closing.gif
http://www.qbtpl.net/sk/olympic_closing_ceremony_msnbc.jpg

Just as long as there not on the pitch then fireworks are fine. Does anyone remember that poor woman who got a firework in the face at Wolves?

The Athens' Olympics firework displays (both at opening and closing ceremonies)
were indeed awesome ...and probably the longest in duration (or at least can't remember any other that lasted sooo long) :drunk:

i thought melbourne was boring athens was probably the best

Any Pics of Melbourne? I cant really remember but I liked how it was on some buildings.

Third World countries are countries like El Salvador,Guatemala,Belize,Nicaragua,Honduras,Bolivia,Paraguay,Philippines....I don't think they would have an olympic stadium...And yes,Mexico is not a 3rd world country. If people consider Colombia to be a 3rd world country then they have an olympic stadium.

Here you have some stadium informations in Colombia.... (http://www.worldstadiums.com/south_america/countries/colombia.shtml)


Hey! At least we're cool so...yeah. :cheer:

nice

How old are you Socrates? 14? 15 tops. Did your mum let you go to school today in short trousers as it was nice and warm?

Hold on a second mate I think somebody has started a new thread MOST BEAUTIFUL STADIUM IN THE WORLD you better get on there quick and post another 15 pics of Ibrox.

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I'm looking forward to Berlin's fireworks on Sunday. I expect it to be awesome, just as the whole WC 06 was.

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^Did they even factor in the neighborhood around? What makes games more enjoyable is what you can do before and after the game, and Wrigleyville definitely beats out US Cellular in this regard.

Basically everything else, from bathrooms to food, can be changed and will change as Wrigley is renovated.

But developing a nice neighborhood around the Cell is going to take much longer.

It'll be the finest 5,500 seat basketball stadium in the world!

Gotta love those EU dollars!

I'm done praising Fenway...the beauty just isn't there for me anymore. Wrigley still deserves to be in the Top 3 no matter who's taking count, though. The environment is still fantastic, and the simple, subtle additions work. Fenway is becoming too commercial.

There is NO WAY that the San Fran park, whatever it's named now, is #1. If it was built out in the mountains and not on the cove, it'd be condemned by now. There's nothing fantastic about it, except for the view and the splash.

Was it Bill Plaschke who said that it smelled like garlic fries? It's got some funk...
Thank You!! Fenway is DEFINETLY too commerical now. But I must disagree that Wrigley is still in the Top 3. Half the people there are not there for the baseball, they're there to drink beer and just for the sake of being there. They don't want to watch the game, it's so annoying. If it wasn't for Wrigley drawing in fans no matter how dismal the Cubs get, the Tribune Co. might actually be held accountable for making the team good.

Bill Plaschke, along with all the idiots on Around the Horn can kiss my ass, they're a bunch of loud mouths and that's it.

PNC in Pittsburgh looks INCREADIBLE, and PetCo in San Diego looks awesome aswell. I can vouch for the fact that Miller Park in Milwaukee is one of, if not the best park in baseball. The new parks really have come a long way, and they are truly amazing.