#NEWS: New Stadiums and Arenas [Archive] - Page 18

BostonSkyGuy

July 12th, 2006, 05:49 AM

How do you know I hate the Red Sox? I dont think I ever said anything anti-BoSox on here.

Nah calling them the BoSucks isn't being negative or anti-Red Sox. Or this quote of yours from the Blue Jays thread in the Toronto Forum

god, I hate Boston almost as much as the Yankees. Just for your info, most people I talk to (even my dad) are cheering the Jays to win the East this year.

Whoops! You don't have to be Dick Tracy to figure out your intense dislike for the Red Sox. That's okay though, it's not something I take personal. I just find it humorous you go out of your way to jab the Red Sox and Fenway Park.

What does me saying I prefer the Blue Jays over the Sox, Yankees, and Orioles have to do with anything? The Yankees and Boston Red Sox have the two highest payrolls....making the AL East one of the most predictable and boring divisions in baseball. I know how Sox fans like to consider themselves blue collar, but in reality..they are blue collar only the the Yankees.

So because we support our team we're not blue collar fans? Yeah that make sense. I guess anyone who goes out to support something en masse isn't blue collar. Great rationale there. I guess since Milwaukee supports...uh...what does your city actually support? Maybe the Bucks when they become better.

If the AL East was so predictable then why do the Blue Jays fans even bother making a thread? Their team isn't going anywhere anyways, right? Why bother playing the game at all, why not just GIVE the AL East title to the Yankees. Payroll in baseball only does so much.

Yeah, shit on the Brewers--they may not be as good as Boston. Then again, your payroll is oh...about, hmm.....70 million dollars more than the Brewers.

See I wouldn't have said anything about the Brewers or Miller Park if you didn't go out of your way to diss Fenway and the Red Sox. It sucks when someone comes after your team for no reason, doesn't it?

And to be quite honest, the Brewers are a far more interesting team to watch than Boston. Pure young and unheard of talent. We may not have as many wins as Boston, but we sure have more come from behind and bottom of the 9th victories. Come 5 years from now, you will just have to buy up all our talent so you can compete.

I like the Brewers. I do think they have some nice players and that they're interesting to watch. More interesting than the Red Sox? I don't think so. It's a matter of perspective. There's a lot more Red Sox games on national television. That doesn't make them any better than the Brewers.

I don't know if you have more come from behind wins than the Red Sox. I can't find the most recent stats but at the end of June the Brewers had like 22 and so did the Red Sox.

As for Young Talent? I don't know that you have better young talent. Position players? I'll give you that. Weeks and Fielder are two of the better younger players in the game. Pitching Wise? You have Turnbow and Bush. The Red Sox have Papelbon, Lester, Hansen, and Del Carmen all pitching in pressure situations.

You can't blame the Red Sox or the Yankees for being in a bigger market or for having the fan support (both in tickets and media outlets/tv) to be able to go out and get players. If the Brewers did this you wouldn't be complaining. If the Brewers fans filled the park every night and watched games enough for the Brewers to develop their own network much like the Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, etc. have they'd be able to spend too.

boricuosa102

July 12th, 2006, 08:32 AM

The New Coliseum in Hato Rey (the “gold mine” of Puerto Rico) can hold up to 18,500 seated people. It cost approximately $252.6 million, according to the Caribbean Business. The coliseum has 34 bathrooms, 30 concessions, a first aid center, ample dressing rooms for the artists and/or sportsmen/women. Every aspect of the new coliseum is regulated by the NBA and NHL standards. Its first activity is posted to be held this up coming Saturday and will be a Salsa concert. There’s expected to be approximately 10,000 spots for parking, all in the immediate (walking distance) surrounding areas.

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boricuosa102

July 12th, 2006, 08:33 AM

NBA: Detroit Pistons vs. Miami Heat el Mar, 10 de Oct

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boricuosa102

July 12th, 2006, 08:34 AM

THE CHAMPIONS OF THE NBA ARE COMING...TO PUERTO RICO

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boricuosa102

July 12th, 2006, 08:35 AM

RICKY MARTIN'S CONCERT IN COLISEO DE PUERTO RICO

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Durbsboi

July 12th, 2006, 09:58 AM

']^^ Would have been heaps...They went on for so long.
Yeh, must be some hectic load barring glass they had, because not only the weight of the fireworks but also the impact it would have had on the glass went exploding. facinating stuff.

jamesinclair

July 12th, 2006, 10:55 AM

I hate to say it but.....

Why does Puerto Rico need an NHL stadium?

mankawabi

July 12th, 2006, 12:28 PM

^^ It meets NHL specifications "just in case". I'm not sure if ice hockey will ever become a popular sport here but, ice skating is quite nice if you live under the tropical sun ;)

Loranga

July 12th, 2006, 02:16 PM

Replying to the beginning of the topic:

If USA's to host a new WC, I'd use the following stadia:

CA: Rose Bowl - 93.000
ML: FedEx - 92.000
FL: ALLTEL - 77.000
NY: Ralph Wilson - 74.000
TX: Reliant - 71.000
PA: Lincoln Financial - 70.000
MA: Gillette - 69.000
MI: Ford Field - 65.000
AZ: Cardinals - 63.000
IL: Soldier Field - 62.000

I would use M&T Bank Stadium (69.000) in Baltimore, Maryland and maybe also Heinz Field in Pittsburgh and Bank of America stadium (74.000).

Kampflamm

July 12th, 2006, 02:23 PM

Why would you choose Buffalo over NYC?

Mo Rush

July 12th, 2006, 09:57 PM

beautiful

empersouf

July 12th, 2006, 10:04 PM

Nice stadium, they have nice girls in PUerto RIco, dont they:naughty:

ReddAlert

July 14th, 2006, 02:53 AM

First off, I dont know what I said that was so bad about Fenway. Yes, Miller Park does offer more in some regards--as it is a ballpark from the new century.

You have to understand that people tire of seeing the Red Sox and the Yankees endlessly. There are reasons why we dislike these teams. Whenever I want to see Brewers highlights...all they talk about are whats happening regarding these teams. Sometimes, I never get to see the highlights for the Brewers. Yes, I understand Milwaukee is a much smaller market than New York or Boston--but the constant media love of them pisses me off. I dont have beef with all Red Sox fans....but all these raving idiots on t.v. get old. And this proves true with Yankee Stadium, as well as Fenway--but I cant stand these yuppies in their 2,000 dollar coats wearing their tattered Sox hats. Personal pet peeve...dont think too much of that and the whole Sox/white collar thing.

I do think payroll has alot to do with success. The Yankees and Sox have the two highest....and are always a contender for WS championships. Next in line are the White Sox and Mets...one of whom is a defending WS Champion, the other is usually good and red hot this year. Big money allows these teams to pick up aces and sluggers like Pedro Martinez and Jim Thome. Following those teams are of course the Cubs, who usually are good but are always hurt and are poorly managed in my opinion. We got teams like the Braves who owned the N.L. for a decade. On the flip side, you have teams like the D-Rays, D-Backs, Brewers, Pirates, Reds, Royals, Rockies, Marlins etc. who are sometimes good, but making the playoffs is very rare. A playoff appearance for the Brewers would be a big deal in Milwaukee...its old hat in New York.

And I would complain about Brewers fans at the game...some of them that is. I have noticed the amount of bandwagon jumping last season and now. It is kind of annoying hearing people who would only talk about how great the Packers are start bragging about the Brewers. I have been watching this team since I can remember--and being 20 years old, they have sucked every year for the most part. Milwaukee is a smaller market with an overabundance of teams and activities...especially in summer. There is suprisingly alot to do here in Milwaukee..which detracts from peopel going to baseball games.

And I do think the Red Sox have some good talent. Dont get me wrong, I enjoy watching Big Papi bat or that goofy idiot in the outfield...but I think the Brewers at this point are more exciting. Why?

ReddAlert

July 14th, 2006, 02:58 AM

Because our current starting lineup (and those in the minors and DL) are the players of the future in my opinoin. The players that will be in Boston and New York when Milwaukee cannot afford them. :)

BostonSkyGuy

July 14th, 2006, 06:19 AM

First off, I dont know what I said that was so bad about Fenway. Yes, Miller Park does offer more in some regards--as it is a ballpark from the new century.

I don't know, I guess I just got tired of seeing you bash the Red Sox. It wasn't just you either, I probably overreacted.

The thing that makes Fenway and Wrigley unique is the fact that there aren't any other parks like them. That was my point about Petco and Miller Field not having that factor that makes me say "Oh, I have to go see a game there!" I think with all these newer stadiums/parks they all offer plenty of amentities and great sound systems, etc. but they don't have the history of a Fenway Park. I don't have a problem with any of the newer parks/stadiums I just think that aside from a few fields (Baltimore, San Fran, Pittsburgh) there's very few that stand out.

You have to understand that people tire of seeing the Red Sox and the Yankees endlessly. There are reasons why we dislike these teams. Whenever I want to see Brewers highlights...all they talk about are whats happening regarding these teams. Sometimes, I never get to see the highlights for the Brewers.

That's understandable. I think whenever something isn't relavant to you, you get tired of hearing about it. I'm tired of hearing about Barry Bonds. Anything that has to do with him, steroids, the home run crown, etc. makes me want to change the channel...and I usually do. Like with the whole Brett Farve "will he or won't he retire?" I'm sure to you that was relevant and something you cared about. To me? I was as tired of that as I am hearing about Barry Bonds. Regardless of how much pub my local teams get, and they admittedly get a ton, certain things I just don't want to hear about for 5 minutes of every Sports Center/Highlight show. So I understand 100% where you're coming from on this.

Yes, I understand Milwaukee is a much smaller market than New York or Boston--but the constant media love of them pisses me off. I dont have beef with all Red Sox fans....but all these raving idiots on t.v. get old. And this proves true with Yankee Stadium, as well as Fenway--but I cant stand these yuppies in their 2,000 dollar coats wearing their tattered Sox hats. Personal pet peeve...dont think too much of that and the whole Sox/white collar thing.

I don't see the constant media love with these two teams. Constant media attention? Sure. A lot of the media secretly or openly dislikes the Yankees and the Sox and the Mets, etc. The fact that these teams have the players that they do and also play in places like Boston and New York contribute to them always being talked about. Like I said before I can see how if you aren't in Boston or New York or a fan of the team--how it can get old, quick.

The Suits with Hats or whatever you wish to label them, I don't know why the bothers you so much. There's a ton of corporate people who go to Sox games (And other MLB games for that matter) and I don't understand why that bothers you. I think it's a good thing that people from all backgrounds and social classes can go out and enjoy a game. Sure when I go to Fenway I don't sit behind the plate, or in the luxury boxes but a lot of times I see people around me in suits having come straight from the office. If I was a construction worker and came plastered with concrete and dirt and some boots, it wouldn't be different.

I do think payroll has alot to do with success. The Yankees and Sox have the two highest....and are always a contender for WS championships. Next in line are the White Sox and Mets...one of whom is a defending WS Champion, the other is usually good and red hot this year. Big money allows these teams to pick up aces and sluggers like Pedro Martinez and Jim Thome.

I agree, payroll has an impact on the amount of success a team has. But there are other things that contribute as well. How good a team drafts and scouts is more important than signing a few free agents. Having a stocked farm system allows teams not only to promote from within having a player under their control at minimum dollars for 6-7 years, but also to trade those players for something they need during the season or in the off-season.

Look at the Red Sox they have basically at their impact relievers being brought up from within their own system. Their closer Papelbon, and two of their three set-up men (DelCarmen/Hasen) Also their starting first basemen and Right Fielder. I'd like to see more youth on the team, but there are few teams who have brought up a whole team of players and won with them. The Yankees are in trouble even with the highest payroll in the game because they don't have enough in their farm system. They cannot promote from within to help their club (unless you count Melky Cabrera and Andy Phillips as big additions, and I don't) and they cannot trade from their system for the starting pitching or the middle of the order bat they need right now.

If the Brewers had the payroll the Red Sox had, would they be better? Absolutely. They'd probably be in first place. But not because of the payroll, but because of the players they've developed. If you gave the Brewers the 67 million difference between them and the Sox, they could add another front line starter, a lead-off hitter, some bullpen help, and some other pieces. The difference is, last year and the 5-10 years before that the Brewers needed a hell of a lot more than that to win. This year and the end of last year Fielder, Weeks, and Turnbow made that club 100% better than it was for most of 2005. Sheets being injured doesn't help, but you have to remember he took a paycut to stay with the Brewers because of their "mid-market" image. He wouldn't have done that with the Red Sox. Just one example, it doesn't make up the 67 million, but the Sox have a lot of mistake contracts (Matt Clement for 9 million for example) that they can afford to hand out because if the players doesn't pan out (and he hasn't) it's not that big of deal. If the Brewers invest 9 million or someone and they suck? That's more than 15% of their payroll.

And I would complain about Brewers fans at the game...some of them that is. I have noticed the amount of bandwagon jumping last season and now. It is kind of annoying hearing people who would only talk about how great the Packers are start bragging about the Brewers. I have been watching this team since I can remember--and being 20 years old, they have sucked every year for the most part. Milwaukee is a smaller market with an overabundance of teams and activities...especially in summer. There is suprisingly alot to do here in Milwaukee..which detracts from peopel going to baseball games.

I agree with the bandwagoners. Since this new ownership has bought the team, things have gotten much better in terms of being a Red Sox fan. The park is much cleaner and improvements have been made, they actually draft well and have stocked the farm systems to one of the better systems in baseball. Before the system was barren with no real prospects. Since then Fenway has almost become a place to be seen, like some hot shot restaurant or club. Certain people come just to go and have zero clue about baseball. It's annoying sure, but think about it--would you rather have these bandwagoners or the Brewers in last place? I'd rather have these idiots here than the old ownership group, you take the lesser of two evils I guess.

There's a shitload to do in Boston too. People just love the Red Sox. In a similiar way to people there loving the Packers. No matter what's going on (And there's plenty to do here as well in the summer) people support the team. I don't think having things to do detracts from people wanting to go to a game, if it does (I'm talking about Milwaukee) then...those aren't baseball fans.

As for more exciting? That's not something you can prove, so you're right. To you the Brewers are more exciting. I can't disagree. I like the Brewers, they have a good rotation (Capuano is from around here I think) and their position players are good as well. Hall should be playing over Koskie and they need to upgrade Centerfield (Clark isn't a favorite of mine) and add some bullpen depth and then you can't complain. I'm not picking on the Brewers just giving an observation. The Sox need a 5th starter, and bullpen help as well. I find the Sox more exciting to watch, but that's probably because they're relavant to me. If the Sox make the playoffs you won't care, if the Brewers do--I'm sure you'll be pumped and vice-versa.

ultras67

July 14th, 2006, 03:05 PM

er..................nothing. Just a 1970's design flopped on top of a pile of old bricks. Apparently that warrants it a mention.

oh dear, never let the facts get in the way of an internet "expert" and idiot.

ultras67

July 14th, 2006, 03:20 PM

if the OP is still looking at the thread he might consider taking in some early InterToto Cup games, there are some surprisingly big names in there each year.

2006 UEFA Intertoto Cup third round
First leg: 15 July (except Hertha v Moskva on 16 July)
Second leg: 22 July
Winners enter UEFA Cup second qualifying round
AJ Auxerre (FRA) v FC Farul Constanta (ROM)
Larissa FC (GRE) v Kayserispor (TUR)
Villarreal CF (ESP) v NK Maribor (SLO)
Maccabi Petach-Tikva FC (ISR) v Ethnikos Achnas FC (CYP)
Grasshopper-Club (SUI) v KAA Gent (BEL)
Olympique de Marseille (FRA) v FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk (UKR)
Hertha BSC Berlin (GER) v FC Moskva (RUS)
SV Ried (AUT) v FC Tiraspol (MDA)
Newcastle United FC (ENG) v Lillestrøm SK (NOR)
Kalmar FF (SWE) v FC Twente (NED)
Odense BK (DEN) v Hibernian FC (SCO)

Bahnsteig4

July 14th, 2006, 03:48 PM

Don't forget that the Euro 2008 qualifications begin this August/September!

A collection of matches that could be of interest, stadium-wise:

Belgium - Kazakhstan, Aug 16 (Constant Vanden Stock, Brussels)
Italy - Lithuania, Sept 2 (Some Italian stadium, perhaps Olimpico, Meazza)
Germany - Ireland, Sept 2 (Stuttgart, Daimler-Stadion, definitely worth a visit)
England - Andorra, Sept 2 (Old Trafford)

!!! France - Italy!!! Sept 6 (Stade de France)

Netherlands - Belarus, Sept 6 (PSV Stadium, Eindhoven)

Paulo2004

July 14th, 2006, 07:00 PM

[QUOTE=davidkunz/VIE]Don't forget that the Euro 2008 qualifications begin this August/September!

A collection of matches that could be of interest, stadium-wise:
!!! France - Italy!!! Sept 6 (Stade de France)QUOTE]

This game will be interesting to watch.

ReddAlert

July 15th, 2006, 12:14 AM

I don't know, I guess I just got tired of seeing you bash the Red Sox. It wasn't just you either, I probably overreacted.

The thing that makes Fenway and Wrigley unique is the fact that there aren't any other parks like them. That was my point about Petco and Miller Field not having that factor that makes me say "Oh, I have to go see a game there!" I think with all these newer stadiums/parks they all offer plenty of amentities and great sound systems, etc. but they don't have the history of a Fenway Park. I don't have a problem with any of the newer parks/stadiums I just think that aside from a few fields (Baltimore, San Fran, Pittsburgh) there's very few that stand out.

No, I understand what you mean about Fenway and Wrigley. They are old stadiums and no new stadium will give the same experience. I wouldnt say its just sound systems either for newer stadiums like Miller Park. There is alot of unique stuff to see at an average Brewers game--such as the famous tailgating scene and the racing sausages. Sadly, we dont have a liederhosen clad Bernie Brewer taking a face first slide from his birdhouse like Chalet into a big glass of beer underneath a huge keg. Or the Harley that went around the warning track during pitching changes. Granted, baseball is baseball--but I still wouldnt say there is no reason to visit any of these new stadiums. I wouldnt go out of my way for them. Then again, I dont think I would go to Boston just for Fenway either.

That's understandable. I think whenever something isn't relavant to you, you get tired of hearing about it. I'm tired of hearing about Barry Bonds. Anything that has to do with him, steroids, the home run crown, etc. makes me want to change the channel...and I usually do. Like with the whole Brett Farve "will he or won't he retire?" I'm sure to you that was relevant and something you cared about. To me? I was as tired of that as I am hearing about Barry Bonds. Regardless of how much pub my local teams get, and they admittedly get a ton, certain things I just don't want to hear about for 5 minutes of every Sports Center/Highlight show. So I understand 100% where you're coming from on this.

Yeah, I think everyone is about tired of him. Thats another flaw of ESPN...nonstop coverage of him. And dont get me wrong--we all got tired of this Brett Favre retiring crap. Even die hard Packer fans were sick of the waiting stuff. The problem is that you dont get to hear what you want to hear. I never got to hear good playoff matchups and discussion for the Bucks-Pistons series---all they would do is suck Lebron off and ignore basically everyone else beside Cuban.

I don't see the constant media love with these two teams. Constant media attention? Sure. A lot of the media secretly or openly dislikes the Yankees and the Sox and the Mets, etc. The fact that these teams have the players that they do and also play in places like Boston and New York contribute to them always being talked about. Like I said before I can see how if you aren't in Boston or New York or a fan of the team--how it can get old, quick.

The Suits with Hats or whatever you wish to label them, I don't know why the bothers you so much. There's a ton of corporate people who go to Sox games (And other MLB games for that matter) and I don't understand why that bothers you. I think it's a good thing that people from all backgrounds and social classes can go out and enjoy a game. Sure when I go to Fenway I don't sit behind the plate, or in the luxury boxes but a lot of times I see people around me in suits having come straight from the office. If I was a construction worker and came plastered with concrete and dirt and some boots, it wouldn't be different.

Yeah, I do realize there will always be attention for Boston and NYC....they are two huge markets. New England and the New York Metro are a pretty damn big area that far exceeds the population of Wisconsin, Minnesota, or Washington State.

And my "suits" thing is just a personal pet peeve..probally something that only I dislike. I realize everyone loves the Sox in New England...but I just have a thing for young people in expensive clothes wearing their Boston Sox hat. What was worse however, was the NBA playoffs this year in Miami. I hated seeing all these beautiful (probally money loving ho's) hanging out with some old rich guy. These people probally wouldnt know anything about the team or the game of basketball itself. And another thing that bugs me about the Sox is that Jimmy Fallon movie--that guy bugs the shit out of me...no offense to Boston or Fallon.

Just wait till the Cheeseheads movie comes out. The Packers are similar to the Red Sox is that they have a huge following and are worshiped as god in Wisconsin. There is a dislike for the Packers, of course in Chicago, but other places as well because of the attention they get. I love the Packers and have busted inanimate objects because of their failure on the field..but I can realize why some people hate them. Our fans are very well travled..packing other stadiums much like Boston, New York, and Chicago fans do.

I agree, payroll has an impact on the amount of success a team has. But there are other things that contribute as well. How good a team drafts and scouts is more important than signing a few free agents. Having a stocked farm system allows teams not only to promote from within having a player under their control at minimum dollars for 6-7 years, but also to trade those players for something they need during the season or in the off-season.

yeah, a good farm system is crucial. But as the Brewers have shown--it takes far to long. You need veterans and great players. You wouldnt realize how long we waited to have a somewhat competitive team. Teams like the Crew, the Twins, and Nationals/Expos have good farm systems--but it never pushes them over the top. Minnesota has been good for quite awile, but they will probally never win the A.L. Its hard when you have to face loaded Yankees, Sox-White and Red in the playoffs. In the same regard, its difficult trying to compete with teams like the Cardinals that have good veteran players up and down their lineup.

Look at the Red Sox they have basically at their impact relievers being brought up from within their own system. Their closer Papelbon, and two of their three set-up men (DelCarmen/Hasen) Also their starting first basemen and Right Fielder. I'd like to see more youth on the team, but there are few teams who have brought up a whole team of players and won with them. The Yankees are in trouble even with the highest payroll in the game because they don't have enough in their farm system. They cannot promote from within to help their club (unless you count Melky Cabrera and Andy Phillips as big additions, and I don't) and they cannot trade from their system for the starting pitching or the middle of the order bat they need right now

That is what I love about the Yankees. They have so many good players, but just cant do it because of their pitching and injuries. .

If the Brewers had the payroll the Red Sox had, would they be better? Absolutely. They'd probably be in first place. But not because of the payroll, but because of the players they've developed. If you gave the Brewers the 67 million difference between them and the Sox, they could add another front line starter, a lead-off hitter, some bullpen help, and some other pieces. The difference is, last year and the 5-10 years before that the Brewers needed a hell of a lot more than that to win. This year and the end of last year Fielder, Weeks, and Turnbow made that club 100% better than it was for most of 2005. Sheets being injured doesn't help, but you have to remember he took a paycut to stay with the Brewers because of their "mid-market" image. He wouldn't have done that with the Red Sox. Just one example, it doesn't make up the 67 million, but the Sox have a lot of mistake contracts (Matt Clement for 9 million for example) that they can afford to hand out because if the players doesn't pan out (and he hasn't) it's not that big of deal. If the Brewers invest 9 million or someone and they suck? That's more than 15% of their payroll.

Yeah, thats the dillema we are having with Carlos Lee. He wants 15 million a year and there is no way we should pay that. He is an RBI machine and the center of our offense. If we had a payroll like the Sox, we could keep him.

Bad contracts are a killer. Thats why I love our GM....probally one of the best in baseball. He has a ability for picking dimonds from the rough..like Turnbow who was nothing before the Brewers installed him in the bullpen. Or the infamous Richie Sexson trade that essentially gave us a 20 game winner (Capuano), another starting pitcher (Junior Spivey, who we later traded for Tomo Ohka), a firstbasemen who we made into somewhat of star, getting a two good players for him (Lyle Overbay), and some other decent players. If we had a garbage GM..this team would be trash. I think the Brewers are pretty rare in this category.

I agree with the bandwagoners. Since this new ownership has bought the team, things have gotten much better in terms of being a Red Sox fan. The park is much cleaner and improvements have been made, they actually draft well and have stocked the farm systems to one of the better systems in baseball. Before the system was barren with no real prospects. Since then Fenway has almost become a place to be seen, like some hot shot restaurant or club. Certain people come just to go and have zero clue about baseball. It's annoying sure, but think about it--would you rather have these bandwagoners or the Brewers in last place? I'd rather have these idiots here than the old ownership group, you take the lesser of two evils I guess.

I am kind of half and half on the issue. I like a crowded Miller Park, but I absolutely hate some of the fairweather fans that come with bandwagoning. I think it would be more of a problem in Boston where random idiots brag about the Sox, but werent doing it before that historic playoff run.

BTW...what do you think about Theo Epstein and all his drama?

There's a shitload to do in Boston too. People just love the Red Sox. In a similiar way to people there loving the Packers. No matter what's going on (And there's plenty to do here as well in the summer) people support the team. I don't think having things to do detracts from people wanting to go to a game, if it does (I'm talking about Milwaukee) then...those aren't baseball fans.

yeah, this city has way to much to do per capita. The metro area is only 1.7 million..but we have the activites and events of a city of much greater. The Sox are one of those teams that people just love. The Brewers are infamous and somewhat loved---known for being losers, an unpopular tax for our new stadium, etc. For some reason, the Packers can have their season tickets sold out every year since 1964 or something...yet have sucked majorly some decades and years.

As for more exciting? That's not something you can prove, so you're right. To you the Brewers are more exciting. I can't disagree. I like the Brewers, they have a good rotation (Capuano is from around here I think) and their position players are good as well. Hall should be playing over Koskie and they need to upgrade Centerfield (Clark isn't a favorite of mine) and add some bullpen depth and then you can't complain. I'm not picking on the Brewers just giving an observation. The Sox need a 5th starter, and bullpen help as well. I find the Sox more exciting to watch, but that's probably because they're relavant to me. If the Sox make the playoffs you won't care, if the Brewers do--I'm sure you'll be pumped and vice-versa.

Oh, I dont expect you or America to be more excitied. America likes to watch stars and big markets. I just think right now, this team will be the future and its exciting seeing a team playing togheter that everyone has been talking about for years. Capuano came out of nowhere and was a 20 game winner last year, looking to do the same this year. We just need Sheets to stay healthy--but then again, he is starting to become similar to those two injury prone idiots 90 miles south.

BTW....is there any talk of trading Manny in Boston?

BostonSkyGuy

July 15th, 2006, 08:46 AM

No, I understand what you mean about Fenway and Wrigley. They are old stadiums and no new stadium will give the same experience. I wouldnt say its just sound systems either for newer stadiums like Miller Park. There is alot of unique stuff to see at an average Brewers game

True. There are some things that go on at the Brewers game that I'd probably get a laugh at--the sausage thing for example. I'm just not into that whole thing though. Having all that "entertainment" for me in uncessary during the 7th inning stretch or between innings. I love baseball for the game, I don't need anything besides the game being played to have a good time at the game. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it, if people enjoy it--good for them. They're paying to be there, they should have fun. Sports are entertainment. I just don't like that kind of thing personally, I didn't like when the Celtics started doing that kind of stuff, but I understand in this A.D.D. "I want it and I want it now!" world that attention spans are limited.

Granted, baseball is baseball--but I still wouldnt say there is no reason to visit any of these new stadiums. I wouldnt go out of my way for them. Then again, I dont think I would go to Boston just for Fenway either.

No, you're right. I'm doing a piss poor job of getting my point across on this topic. When I went into how I wouldn't go some where or have the urge to go some place just because it's new, I wasn't saying that all the parks are the same asthetically. I was just saying with so many new parks you rarely get the feel of watching the game in a place like Fenway. If you're not a huge baseball fan (I'm not saying you aren't) then it's tough to understand. I think I can liken it to Lambeau Field. That's one of the shrines of the NFL, you can't compare it to the newer stadiums because the newer stadiums in terms of size, and amenities are much better. But in terms of seeing a football game in a place where it's been played so long and having a sense of history and being surrounded by fans who LOVE football and the Packers, that's special. It's the same thing here.

Yeah, I think everyone is about tired of him. Thats another flaw of ESPN...nonstop coverage of him. And dont get me wrong--we all got tired of this Brett Favre retiring crap. Even die hard Packer fans were sick of the waiting stuff. The problem is that you dont get to hear what you want to hear. I never got to hear good playoff matchups and discussion for the Bucks-Pistons series---all they would do is suck Lebron off and ignore basically everyone else beside Cuban.

We're 100% on the same page here. ESPN KILLS stories. Let's face it when something is about our team our interest in that story or game is much, much greater than when our team isn't involved. How much do you enjoy/care about the Super Bowl? How much do you enjoy/care about it when the Packers are in it? ESPN hypes and plays up all these stories from Farve to Bonds to now this Roethlisberger thing to the point that no one cares anymore. Their playoff coverage in all sports is geared towards whichever team has the best player or craziest personality, etc. That's why I'm glad we have NESN (New England Sports Network) and the regional Fox affiliate so I can get local stories and local spin on national ones as well. I'm sure you have something along the lines of those networks there and I'm willing to be that you get more out of them than you ever would from ESPN.

Yeah, I do realize there will always be attention for Boston and NYC....they are two huge markets. New England and the New York Metro are a pretty damn big area that far exceeds the population of Wisconsin, Minnesota, or Washington State.

I think it also has to do with the rivalry between the two, the history of the two teams in Major League Baseball itself, the star players they have, and the fact that more often than not--they're good. It doesn't hurt to have the 1st and 5th/6th television markets being involved.

And my "suits" thing is just a personal pet peeve..probally something that only I dislike. I realize everyone loves the Sox in New England...but I just have a thing for young people in expensive clothes wearing their Boston Sox hat. What was worse however, was the NBA playoffs this year in Miami. I hated seeing all these beautiful (probally money loving ho's) hanging out with some old rich guy. These people probally wouldnt know anything about the team or the game of basketball itself. And another thing that bugs me about the Sox is that Jimmy Fallon movie--that guy bugs the shit out of me...no offense to Boston or Fallon.

Understood. I don't see a ton of young people at the games in suit jackets or expensive clothes with Sox hats on. I think your impression of the overall fan base is a bit off. Most of the true die hard fans cannot afford to go the games. They're the highest priced ticket in baseball and so you do get a lot rich, snob types who go to see and be seen. The fan base overall or the majority of the fan base should I say are working class people who grew up loving the Red Sox and loving baseball.

The "Fever Pitch" movie was horrible. If it wasn't about the Sox, I wouldn't have seen it. And I didn't even see it until a few months ago when it was on HBO. It wasn't something I'd pay to see. Aside from the female fans and Jimmy Fallon lovers, people here thought that movie sucked. They're always making fun of it and no one conciders it a classic or a great movie by any means.

yeah, a good farm system is crucial. But as the Brewers have shown--it takes far to long. You need veterans and great players. You wouldnt realize how long we waited to have a somewhat competitive team. Teams like the Crew, the Twins, and Nationals/Expos have good farm systems--but it never pushes them over the top. Minnesota has been good for quite awile, but they will probally never win the A.L. Its hard when you have to face loaded Yankees, Sox-White and Red in the playoffs. In the same regard, its difficult trying to compete with teams like the Cardinals that have good veteran players up and down their lineup.

You're right about that. It takes a long time to develop players and bring them up through the system. I think the Brewers have done a much better job in recent years doing this, especially since for a team with a 60-65 million dollar payroll, having impact guys making the minimum or slightly more is a must. The Red Sox are finding out it's better to integrate young players with the veterans so that when you spend money on guys like Clement who's sucked and Foulke who's been injured that combined $17 million can be supplemented by having John Lester and Manny Del Carmen making the minimum. Those guys (Foulke/Clement) are mistakes the Sox can afford to make, the Brewers can't. That's what sucks about the current system.

Yeah, thats the dillema we are having with Carlos Lee. He wants 15 million a year and there is no way we should pay that. He is an RBI machine and the center of our offense. If we had a payroll like the Sox, we could keep him.

I heard he wanted 5-years, 55 million. That's not too bad for a guy who hits 30-40 Home Runs and will drive in 100-110 runs. That is in terms of the Red Sox, they can shell out that cash no problem. For the Brewers that's like 15% of their payroll. I actually want Carlos Lee, I hope the Sox go after him this offseason. We have Trot Nixon making like 8-9 million and he's hitting about .315 but only has 6 home runs. We need some power from Right Field.

Bad contracts are a killer. Thats why I love our GM....probally one of the best in baseball. He has a ability for picking dimonds from the rough..like Turnbow who was nothing before the Brewers installed him in the bullpen. Or the infamous Richie Sexson trade that essentially gave us a 20 game winner (Capuano), another starting pitcher (Junior Spivey, who we later traded for Tomo Ohka), a firstbasemen who we made into somewhat of star, getting a two good players for him (Lyle Overbay), and some other decent players. If we had a garbage GM..this team would be trash. I think the Brewers are pretty rare in this category.

Agreed. Doug Melvin has done a great job building that team. He pretty much pulled a fast one on the Diamondbacks getting Capuano and Spivey for Sexson. We had Ohka, traded him for Urbina at the deadline a few years back. I think Bush will end up being a solid pitcher. He's got the stuff to be, trading Overbay who they didn't really have a spot for with Fielder coming up for a pitcher like that is grand theft. I'm of the thinking that you always trade a hitter for a pitcher if they're even because pitching wins championships. Bush isn't even to Overbay right now, but I think he'll end up being better in the long run. Plus you have Fielder, great trade.

Speaking of heists getting Villanueva for TJ Ford? Unbelievable.

I am kind of half and half on the issue. I like a crowded Miller Park, but I absolutely hate some of the fairweather fans that come with bandwagoning. I think it would be more of a problem in Boston where random idiots brag about the Sox, but werent doing it before that historic playoff run.

BTW...what do you think about Theo Epstein and all his drama?

Trust me, it's better to have the park filled and interest in the team with the inclusion of some bandwagoners and fair weather fans than to have an empty stadium, and a crappy team. I don't remember this ever being the case with the Sox (the empty stadium, we've had crappy teams) but I saw it with the Celtics. The Celtics and Bruins, more so the Bruins have been run into the ground by ownership in the last decade. The Celtics ownership seems to be back on track after the Rick Pitino debacle, he set the team back ten years, no joke.

I think there was always interest in the Sox before the 2004 Playoff Run. I just think there's a lot more people who have been turned on to them, especially the women/girls when Johnny Damon came to town. There's a lot of girls who go the park who have ABSOLUTELY no clue what they're talking about. For example I went to the game earlier this year and there was a group of girls (20-25ish) behind me. Alex Gonzalez laid down a sacrifice bunt, moving the runner to third, everyone in my section cheered. This girl goes "Why are they cheering, he made an out?" I said "He sacrificed the guy over to third with one out" she turned and said "He sucks!" I laughed. Then another one of them when Mike Lowell was coming up said "Ugh this guy is going to make an out" I said "Why do you say that?" she says "He hasn't been good lately". I replied "He's batting .320" the girl says "He sucked last time he batted." I told her "He got a double last time up" and she stared at me for a second and said "Well...he looks OLD!" These are the types we get at the park now, it's horrible. There are plenty of people who love baseball and the Sox that would love to be at a game. When people like her are there I can't help but think it's a waste. Every team has them I guess, it's just irritating. We call them "The Pink Hats" they come wearing their pink Sox caps (be happy the Brewers don't have these).

As for Theo...I think the drama was more with the front office. Larry Luccino who's a big part of it is a pain in the ass. I remember during the Varitek negotiations in his free agent year, he pissed Varitek off during negotiations to the point Varitek didn't want him there anymore. His job is the business aspect of the team and he was getting too involved with the baseball operations. Making things public that should have been kept in house, and generally making it harder for Theo. I understand where Theo was coming from.

Saying that--I think Theo is a bit overrated. Sure he's made some GREAT moves. Like getting Ortiz off the scraphead and trading junk to the Diamondbacks for Schilling. He's also made some moves I question like signing Matt Clement for 8-9 million a year, and trading Arroyo to the Reds for Pena. Like I said when even, I always keep pitching over hitting, except in rare occasions. Having question marks like Schilling (health) Clement (performance) and Wells (health) and then trading a starter was a dumb move in my opinion. Now if Wily Mo Pena ends up being a Carlos Lee type, I'll eat my words, but for this season they could have used Arroyo.

Oh, I dont expect you or America to be more excitied. America likes to watch stars and big markets. I just think right now, this team will be the future and its exciting seeing a team playing togheter that everyone has been talking about for years. Capuano came out of nowhere and was a 20 game winner last year, looking to do the same this year. We just need Sheets to stay healthy--but then again, he is starting to become similar to those two injury prone idiots 90 miles south.

I think the Brewers are exciting as a baseball fan. I'm just not sure the rest of the country who might enjoy baseball but don't see much aside from their local team and some of the bigger clubs understand the Brewers. The team is filled with young talent and good pitching. I think they're a playoff team with Sheets. Hopefully people will see what they're doing and appreciate it.

BTW....is there any talk of trading Manny in Boston?

No, not really. In the offseason when he supposedly wanted to be traded, then didn't there was talk of a Manny for Miguel Tejada trade. People got wood over that because at the time we had no shortstop and I think people get emotional over this team and just want to make changes. Manny has a love-hate relationship with the fans/the city and the same thing goes for the fans/city--we have a love/hate relationship about him. It makes no sense from a baseball standpoint to trade Manny unless they get someone who can fill his spot in the order or come close. Carlos Lee would do that, but there are very few bats in the league that would that the Sox can acquire and few, if any can be had for him straight up. Manny always puts up .300-40-120 which are crazy numbers. We (the fans)and the team just have to put up with his mood swings and quirks. It's worth it, although in the moment he seems like a pain in the ass sometimes.

TalB

July 16th, 2006, 02:20 AM

sorry, I just make things easier for myself. How about I call them the BoSucks? :scouserd:
Maybe I should call the Brewers the Drunkards or the Alchololics after having so many loosing seasons, and I find Miller Pk to be very overrated.

Leineweber

July 16th, 2006, 02:19 PM

Don't forget that the Euro 2008 qualifications begin this August/September!

A collection of matches that could be of interest, stadium-wise:

Germany - Ireland, Sept 2 (Stuttgart, Daimler-Stadion, definitely worth a visit)

Sorry game's sold out... :)

ReddAlert

July 17th, 2006, 12:58 AM

Maybe I should call the Brewers the Drunkards or the Alchololics after having so many loosing seasons, and I find Miller Pk to be very overrated.

If you wish. We in Milwaukee really could care less...unlike you Eastcoasters. Then again, our team doesnt have a payroll over a hundred million--so losing is expected. And nobody in Milwaukee ever brags about how good our team is like Mets and Yankees fans do...even though they have been made bitches by teams with lesser payrolls. At least I dont have to deal with the Giant disapointment you have to watch each fall, as well as your Lombardi trophy Jet setting away. And how bout them Knicks? If that team had a movie made of it--it would be called the Money Pit and star Tom Hanks.

And whats overrated about Miller Park? Who overrates it anyway--beside people who travel to stadiums all over the country? The media doesnt talk it up at all.

Good post btw BostonSkyGuy! Interesting read man. Sorry I couldnt respond to all of it.

pauliezaz

July 18th, 2006, 01:27 PM

2006-07-18
Today's photos.

From the east side
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6826/p7180534ul4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5274/p7180535ph2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2452/p7180536hp6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

It'll be parking-lot (i think)
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9932/p7180537in5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3984/p7180538zo0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/8301/p7180539ec7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Indoor
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8966/p7180540vo8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:D
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/6592/p7180542ex0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/6614/p7180544yx3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Arena is near the newest Siauliai buildings: Register center and the newest Siauliai blocks
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/170/p7180546th2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Mo Rush

July 19th, 2006, 03:14 PM

is the round or circular arena becoming more common?

pauliezaz

July 20th, 2006, 02:40 PM

I don't see difference :dunno:

BobDaBuilder

July 21st, 2006, 12:20 PM

Once the arenas are all built in Lithuania. It will cement the nation as the premier hoops nation in Europe.

Here hoping Oz can knock 'em off at the World Champs!

TalB

July 22nd, 2006, 01:57 AM

These days I will never understand why so many will go for bells and whistles on a stadium rather than looking at it for it really is. I will admit that Shea Stadium will never win a beauty contest, but it will be become one of a kind now that its style is becoming obsolete. Just look at how World City Photos (http://www.worldcityphotos.org/USA-NR/USA-NY-NewYorkCity2.jpg) shows it with the skyline. Out of sarcassam, if people really want Shea to be demolished, then just have Al Qadea do it b/c they will have it down in a day.

Mr. Fusion

July 22nd, 2006, 02:14 AM

And dont get me wrong--we all got tired of this Brett Favre retiring crap. Even die hard Packer fans were sick of the waiting stuff.
Sorry to stay off-topic, but as a fellow Packers fan, the media has been asking about Favre's retirement since 1998. It is pretty pathetic, I have learned to tune it out. :yes:

How do you feel about the renovation to Lambeau Field? I have visited it before and after, and though I really enjoyed the new things to see, I feel it has lost its intangible ability to intimidate opposing teams. It felt more like a five-star hotel on the inside, and though the atmosphere on the field has not changed, it still feels like it takes away from the experience of the old. :yes:

:grouphug:

cybec

July 22nd, 2006, 11:23 AM

Switzerland/ Worldcup 1954 / Bern / Wankdorf

http://www.wankdorfstadion.ch/geschichte_pics/wm_1954_stadion_gross.gif

http://www.wankdorfstadion.ch/geschichte_pics/wm_1954_final_stadionansicht_gross.gif

ReddAlert

July 22nd, 2006, 10:10 PM

Sorry to stay off-topic, but as a fellow Packers fan, the media has been asking about Favre's retirement since 1998. It is pretty pathetic, I have learned to tune it out. :yes:

How do you feel about the renovation to Lambeau Field? I have visited it before and after, and though I really enjoyed the new things to see, I feel it has lost its intangible ability to intimidate opposing teams. It felt more like a five-star hotel on the inside, and though the atmosphere on the field has not changed, it still feels like it takes away from the experience of the old. :yes:

:grouphug:

You know what? I have never been to a Packers game or ever been in Lambeau. I just have assumed that I could never get in or had the cash to make it possible. Looking this year to going, considering they most likely wont be too good. I do like how it looks though and agree about it not being as intimidating. The old stadium was frozen hell, the new renovation does look pretty damn classy. That whole area around Lambeau is going to be getting pretty cool though.

Genç

July 24th, 2006, 07:32 PM

Why didn't we start from 1930?

Jack Rabbit Slim

July 25th, 2006, 12:13 AM

^^ Because at the time when I created the thread I just felt like doing the world cup final stadiums from the past 40 years...seemed appropriate, was less hasstle, and it is actually quite hard to find decent pics from the 1930's, ok?

But hey, if you wanna start a thread of your own starting from 1930, you go right ahead! ;) :)

:cheers:

Anna Maria

July 25th, 2006, 03:31 AM

Color Line Arena in Hamburg is the most beautiful European arena inside! Very lightfull and colourful, with phantastic atmosphere, with 11500 fans (season average) during hockey games!

http://www.viewers.de/download/colina122.jpg

panamaboy9016

July 25th, 2006, 03:37 AM

I went to the Olympic stadium in Greece 2 years ago. I was surprised of how small it was even though it was the first Olympic Stadium! That stadium is my favorite though!

panamaboy9016

July 25th, 2006, 03:39 AM

Which do you consider as the best Arenain Europe?
Can you even put a picture of a womens breast on your pic? I don't think so right?

DrasQue

July 25th, 2006, 10:14 AM

Sinan Erdem Dome Istanbul 23,000

+FIBA 2010 Turkey World Cup Final Arena
+Biggest Arena in Europe
+in Top 6 of World
+locates in City Centre

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/marmara/istanbul_atakoy_dome.jpg

http://images.google.com.tr/images?q=tbn:xKGFlMhb_5N13M:http://dunyaturk.com/tr11/Burc_atakoy_dome_0056.jpg

Abdi Ipekci Arena Istanbul
http://www.biletix.com.tr/img/venues/abdi_ipekci.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/marmara/istanbul_ipekci1.jpg

Dreamlıneя

July 25th, 2006, 07:32 PM

..::Estadio Polideportivo Cachamay::.. (Puerto Ordaz)
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/1859/guayanab21fw8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/2908/guayanab1wf2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/4545/guayanab41ua0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/391/guayanab51sq5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

..::Estadio Pueblo Nuevo::.. (San Cristobal)
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/2844/tachirab11jf6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

..::Estadio Metropolitano de Merida::.. (Merida)
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/1465/estadmetrop1qo3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4732/meridab11xg7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

..::Estadio Pachencho Romero::.. (Maracaibo)
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4281/pachenchob61kp5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

..::Estadio Agustin Tovar "La Carolina"::.. (Barinas)
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5596/barinasb31gt6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/2619/barinasb21xv9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

..::Estadio Metropolitano de Barquisimeto::.. (Barquisimeto)
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/738/barquisimetob1cl6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

..::Estadio Olimpico Luis Ramos::.. (Puerto La Cruz)
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/722/anzoateguib21ye7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/6724/anzoateguib11ry1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

..::Estadio Juana La Avanzadora::.. (Maturin)
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/1585/proyecto001zw9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9583/monagasjunio1rb3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

These are the stadiums for the "Copa America 2007".. Some of them are already built so they are just under remodeling... others are new stadiums!! But don't worry, All of them will be ready on time for the cup!! ;)
(Then I'll post pics of the works)

NeilF

July 25th, 2006, 08:09 PM

Mo Rush

July 25th, 2006, 08:25 PM

looks great

Dreamlıneя

July 25th, 2006, 08:41 PM

Estadio Metropolitano de Merida looks like a really nice stadium, but I can't imagine how far the fans are gonna be from the pitch. Not only is there the athletics track, there's some inexplicable grass banks around the athletic track. Does anyone even know why?

I love the design, but I can't for the life of me work out why those grass banks.

Hey NeilF, Fans are not gonna be so far... That space between the field and the seats is not that big.. look at this pic ;)

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/5732/me10601g1ak7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

NeilF

July 25th, 2006, 08:43 PM

Thanks for that pic. The renderings make it look like it was gonna be a lot further away that it actually is.

Martuh

July 25th, 2006, 10:18 PM

Oh wow, that IS stupid......... I can't believe people actually watch that crap.....

Don't even dare to think it's popular. Holland has only 100,000 people playing the sport, 10 times as big as the second biggest korfballing country; Belgium, which has (duh) 10,000 players.

themongrel

July 25th, 2006, 11:03 PM

congrats to the architects, alot of very unique and good looking stadiums, whats the capacity of these?

www.sercan.de

July 25th, 2006, 11:31 PM

capacities?

RC8

July 26th, 2006, 12:01 AM

Don't worry, most won't be ready in time. Supposedly they wanted to use the Estadio Universitario in Caracas, but they haven't installed absolutely nothing yet.

The Venezuelan government is terrible, and the only places I can assure you will be ready are San Cristobal and Merida, as the people from that part of Venezuela actually works.

Gabo

July 26th, 2006, 01:11 AM

Alejandro! good thread!!!

More information for the Stadiums of the COPA AMERICA 2007

Map of the seats
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/Mapa_Por_Estados.gif

Caracas
*ESTADIO OLÍMPICO DE LA CIUDAD UNIVERSITARIA (OLYMPIC STADIUM OF THE UNIVERSITY CITY)
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/olimpicoucv_2.jpg
The Olympic stadium of the UCV, located within the same one, is to few meters of one of the stations of the Meter of Caracas (underground). It has capacity for 20,000 people in gradería general and 7,500 in the put a roof on central tribune, which gives a gauging him for 27,500 people. It has a parking with capacity for 1,800 vehicles. This stage counts on the "Project of Extension and Modernization of the Stage Polideportivo Cachamay" with a view to the Glass. With this one project it is tried to obtain the extension of the gauging of 35,000 to 40,000 spectators, an Official Theater box for 100 people with armchairs, local hall VIP for foreign leaders, authorities and special guests, dressing rooms for 4 football teams, control room antidopaje, improvements in the area of the parking, among others

Maracaibo
*ESTADIO PACHENCHO ROMERO (PACHENCHO ROMERO STADIUM)
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/Pachencho5.jpg
The Pachencho Romero has a capacity of 26,000 spectators, but a first draft of modernization with a view to the Glass America Venezuela 2007 exists that will allow him to reach a gauging of 35,000 people. In this one stage already international games of the Eliminatory stature of the South American to the Glass of the World have been made

Barquisimeto
*"No Name"
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/barquisimeto_1.jpg
With this project, Barquisimeto hopes to count on a Modern stage, with facilities of first, worthy one to lodge a as important event as the America Glass. In addition it will allow the city to decide on seat for future events. This stage will count on 2 giant screens of high resolution for the benefit of the games, concerts and concentrations. I will have 80 boxes for information transmission: it presses, radio, television and Internet. , the 4 in and 8 inclines corners the stage 4 power station within the construction. Two entrances with attendance to the discapacitado one by gradería

Puerto La Cruz
*ESTADIO OLÍMPICO LUIS RAMOS (OLIMPIC STADIUM LUIS RAMOS)
ttp://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/anzoategui1.jpg
Puerto La Cruz it presents the project of preparation and renovation of the Complex Olympic Stage Sport Luis Branches. This one stage will have a gauging of 40,000 spectators. It is located to little 150 meters of the Av. Intercomunal and has direct visual connection with the same one and its environs the complex has within himself an ample central seat (30,000 m2 approx).

Ciudad Guayana
*ESTADIO CACHAMAY (CACHAMAY STADIUM)
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/guayana4.jpg
This stage counts on the "Project of Extension and Modernization of the Stadium Polideportivo Cachamay" with a view to the Glass. With this one project it is tried to obtain the extension of the gauging of 35,000 to 40,000 spectators, an Official Theater box for 100 people with armchairs, local hall VIP for foreign leaders, authorities and special guests, dressing rooms for 4 football teams, control room antidopaje, improvements in the area of the parking, among others.

San Cristobal
*ESTADIO PUEBLO NUEVO (STADIUM NEW TOWN)
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/tachira1.jpg
San Cristóbal is the seat of the Sport Táchira, this one is the Venezuelan club with greater number of incursions in the Glass Liberating of America with 11 and, according to the South American Confederation of Fu'tbol (CONMEBOL), the Sport Táchira is the ninth better club of Suramérica, and according to the registries of the FIFA, this in square 98 of the world-wide ranking of clubs. San Cristóbal counts on the stage "Polideportivo de New Pueblo", also known like the Cathedral Venezuelan Soccer. The Polideportivo New Town, is located at the end of the Av. Spain, sector New Town, in front of, Bullring San Juan the parish Baptist and at the moment it has a gauging for 27,500 people. This one account with a project of extension and modernization, with which it is tried, among other things: The construction of a Main Tribune with a capacity for 15,000 people, maintaining graderías existing. To project in Main Tribune, Theater box for Authorities, Official Theater box VIP and Theater box of Press. To generate different accesses between Theater boxes and Main Tribune. To design Cover for Main Tribune. To elevate the capacity of the parking of 100 to 230 vehicles. Also it will be used, according to agreement with the C.A. Bullring, his parking that has capacity for 2,500 vehicles.

Maturin
*ESTADIO METROPOLITANO MATURIN (MATURIN METROPOLITAN STADIUM)
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/maturin2.jpg
This city presents the project to us for the construction of the Metropolitan Stadium of Maturín, which will have gauging for 40,000 spectators and will be located in an adjacent zone to Maturín, in addition m2 will count on a parking with capacity for 3,700 vehicles in a 183,000 area of.

Merida
*ESTADIO METROPOLITANO DE MERIDA (METROPOLITAN STADIUM OF MERIDA)
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/merida1.jpg
Mérida presentS the Project for the construction of the Metropolitan Stadium of Mérida, which will be able to become best of the country thanks to its architectonic design. It will have a gauging that will oscillate between 35,000 and 40,000 seats. Land of game with the maximum measures. The enclosure will be fit to the new realities of present soccer

Barinas
*ESTADIO AGUSTIN TOVAR "LA CAROLINA" (STADIUM AGUSTIN TOVAR "THA CAROLINA)
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/barinas3.jpg
At the moment a remodeling project exists to turn to the stadium Agustín Tovar "the Carolina", in a worthy seat of the Glass America Venezuela 2007. It will be managed to extend the gauging to a number of 30,000 thousand people, being fulfilled each position with the comfort regulation and security. It is told on an independent Official Theater box the Theater box of the Local Authorities, Control room of Antidopaje, Illumination, Ticket office, Playground, Olympic Mesh and the Security of the Enclosure. The relocation of the press box sets out that will be equipped with all the technical requirements.

All information
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/index.asp?conten=sedes

zee

July 26th, 2006, 02:26 AM

some nice stadiums there

Zaqattaq

July 26th, 2006, 02:37 AM

edit didnt see this page

I asked "What the hell is Korfball?"

I think Korfball needs a bit more exposure so no shame in asking it again

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/sport/findasport/images/korfball_tip.gif

hooray for Korfball :banana:

TEBC

July 26th, 2006, 07:08 AM

I like what Venezuela is doing, We should give more prestige to the oldest soccer competition between nations. Copa America has almost the same potential of Panamerican games, It is possible to be as good as Euro cup. But not many countries give importance to them. I liked that Mexico will host in 2009. Im favor to open the Cup for all American countries, and extend to 16 teams like Euro. But im against inviting teams from other continents... JUST FOR AMERICANS!!

hngcm

July 26th, 2006, 09:33 AM

LMCA1990

July 26th, 2006, 09:37 AM

Gabo: why does this map include de claimed territory???
http://www.copamerica-2007.com.ve/images/Mapa_Por_Estados.gif
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Anyway, nice stadia but bad capacity (the biggest has a capacity of 52.000). I hope they trigger soccer's growth in Venezuela???

Scba

July 26th, 2006, 09:21 PM

I'm just not buying this at all, but some chairmen in Hawaii think that they can land it. :nono:

Not many people know this, but Aloha Stadium IS convertable to baseball configuration. The grandstands actually move around on a track to set up different format, sort of like what Mile High Stadium had. But since renovations are about to occur that would either keep the field as competely football or baseball, they need to choose. Football seems obvious, since they have the Pro Bowl and College Football, and are going to try for a Super Bowl bid.

The idea of having the WBC in between N. America and Asia is a great idea, but the facilites just aren't there. The 50,000 seta snooze of a stadium that Aloha is, and 4,321-seat Wes Murakami stadium are the only facilities that could host it, and I'm thinking that'd be a step backwards. Does Aloha Stadium have any chance of pulling off the baseball upset here?

And if not, who or what region ought to hold the WBC in 2009?

panamaboy9016

July 26th, 2006, 09:33 PM

I think the places that will get the WBC will be the South and the North in the US and countries in Latin America like Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and Panama.

Gabo

July 26th, 2006, 09:58 PM

Because this territory is from Venezuela and Chavez said that in all map of venezuela incluyed the terrtory clamed, because thi is territory of venezuela and no from Guyana ... more later I tell you in spanish

RC8

July 26th, 2006, 10:29 PM

The Claimed Territory does not belong to Venezuela, for christ sake, they speak english!

How can Guyana be a state when they have no representation in the capital city, it makes no sense at all. They deserve to be independent. Look at Canada, the people from Quebeq want independence, but at least if you speak french in Ottawa 50% of the people will get what you're saying. In Venezuela no one speaks english, and the president can't pronounce 'bush' correctly.

Venezuela should let Guyana be, everything is different, from the language, to the architecture, and while forcing them to be part of Venezuela we are keeping them out of the commonwealth, which is a damn good thing to be part of.

Gabo

July 26th, 2006, 10:37 PM

... But England in the century XVII violated the soberany from Venezuela.. In this time Venezuela and Guyana have a very dscussion and others for ths territory

eddyk

July 26th, 2006, 10:54 PM

Kings Dock Arena Liverpool

http://www.kingswaterfrontliverpool.co.uk/images/arenapic.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41128000/jpg/_41128993_kingsdock203.jpg
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/6733/bigking210706vb3.jpg
Pic by AD Williams

guerreritoboy

July 26th, 2006, 10:55 PM

that modern stadiums!, in the peruvian America Cup are very ugly!

RC8

July 26th, 2006, 11:20 PM

... But England in the century XVII violated the soberany from Venezuela.. In this time Venezuela and Guyana have a very dscussion and others for ths territory

But that's in the past, are you saying that Mexico should include Texas in their map? Or Peru and Bolivia should include Northern Chile in their territory? No, that's in the past. Thinking about the future, it's better for Venezuela to not have to worry about a minority that has nothing to do with the rest of the country, and it's better for Guyana to develop as an English speaking independent nation who can take care of themselves without having to be part of a system such as the Venezuelan, that has other priorities first. It's the best for both territories to be separate in the long term, and I think Chavez is being pretty stubborn in matter.

The stadiums look nice indeed, but the only one where I have seen any progress is in the Merida one.

Gabo

July 26th, 2006, 11:40 PM

U have reason.... but it's no is my problem! If venezuela have Guyana Esequibo good.. If Venezuela don't have Guyana Esequibo... good!

tonytowers

July 27th, 2006, 12:44 AM

Shame they have to plonk that big squre concrete car park in front of it :(

Mo Rush

July 27th, 2006, 01:13 AM

kings dock arena is going to be fantastic..

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS

July 27th, 2006, 02:42 AM

TEBC

July 27th, 2006, 05:31 AM

^^ Didn't know Mexico was hosting in 2009

And I agree, expand to 16.

Have the ten Conmebol teams + the 6 teams that made it to the final round of CONCACAF WC qualifying.

But there's no way it'll reach the level of the Euro Cup...

There's Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, and then......

Yes, in 1986 they decide all the host countries until complete all 10 countries of Conmebol. Than It was:
87- Argentina
89- Brasil
91- Chile
93- Equador
95- Uruguai
97- Bolívia
99- Paraguai
2001- Colombia
2004- Peru
2007- Venezuela

Mexico wanted to host in 2007 but it was agreed that only after all 10 countries host will be Mexico time, so in 2009 it will be the host. It will be great.

Copa America 2009 and Panamerican Games in Guadalajara 2011

hope after that, Canada or USA decide to host also.

When I said that would be same level as Euro, I was saying that Copa America should have the same importance to americans as Euro is for europeans. I know that will never be the same, America is not that rich, but effords like Venezuela is doing constructing new arenas are great.

pauliezaz

July 27th, 2006, 09:58 AM

I voted for a Siemens Arena (i was in "Lietuvos Rytas"-"Maccabi" match. Yeah, it was great feeling to shout "Rytas, rytas" with 10.000 fans!). Also i like KolnArena, Peace and Friendship arena, Sazka arena. I'm going to visit Hartwall arena in Helsinki (eurovision of course :D)

pauliezaz

July 27th, 2006, 10:04 AM

:deadthrea

Mo Rush

July 27th, 2006, 02:39 PM

:deadthrea
shame

pauliezaz

July 27th, 2006, 02:57 PM

shame

Why? I put photos once a two weeks (on tuesday). You can see progress in photos. I desiderate comments and opinions!

Giorgio

July 27th, 2006, 03:14 PM

Once the arenas are all built in Lithuania. It will cement the nation as the premier hoops nation in Europe.

Im sorry but I have to question such a comment...

And I have to Bring up Greece and the fact that she is the EuroBasket Champion as well as her having many arenas far bigger than this arena (as well as some of the best clubs in Europe).

Btw, I think it looks nice. :)

GNU

July 27th, 2006, 04:08 PM

^^ yeah it looks great. Could somebody post some info?

GNU

July 27th, 2006, 04:14 PM

Possible new stadium in Braunschweig:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/images/news/braunschweig_210706_01.jpg

New stadium in Vancouver: (Fantastic setting)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/images/news/vancouver_130709_01.jpg

pauliezaz

July 27th, 2006, 05:43 PM

Of course, Greece can host WC because it has a lot of BIG arenas e.t.c. peace and friedship, olympic halls and many other!

Mo Rush

July 27th, 2006, 06:09 PM

Of course, Greece can host WC because it has a lot of BIG arenas e.t.c. peace and friedship, olympic halls and many other!
WC as in world cup?

pauliezaz

July 27th, 2006, 06:13 PM

WC as in world cup?

nop! World Championship

whatever...

July 27th, 2006, 06:42 PM

']Im sorry but I have to question such a comment...

And I have to Bring up Greece and the fact that she is the EuroBasket Champion as well as her having many arenas far bigger than this arena (as well as some of the best clubs in Europe).

Btw, I think it looks nice. :)

1. do i need to remember what happened when full strengh Greece played Lithuania (missing only Ilgauskas) in Athens? :D it was smth like +40 for Lithuania in front of 15.000 greek fans... dont be naive, even though you'v wonne eurobasket, your by far not the strongest side in europe, it would'v been Spain - Lithuania final, if Gasol and all the lith's would'nt have skipped that championship ;)

2. noone denies you have arena's, the point is that up until end of 2004, biggest arena in Lithuania was Kaunas sports hall (~5000), built back in 1939 for the eurobasket final, other lith club's had "arenas" not bigger than 1000, lith's clubs sucked, had no money, no hall's, still we managed to produce some of the best players in europe, while now, the situation is changing dramaticaly - Siemens arena in Vilnius (12.000) built in 2004, u/c arena in Šiauliai (5500), planned (soon to go u/c) arena's in Klaipėda, Panevėžys, Marijampolė (all 5000-7000) and future biggest in Kaunas which should also go u/c rather soon (15.000), that's really big for a small country like Lithuania, i mean a town like Marijampolė has only ~50.000 inhabitants... and that's really a huge jump for our basketball, since we will be able to have a stronger league with bigger and richer clubs, which finally will be able to compete on european level, which before only 3 clubs could'v do

as well as some of the best clubs in Europe

3. Greece's euroleague teams:
Panathinaikos next year will have two lith's in starting five (Siska and Javtokas), Macijauskas is by far the biggest star in OLY, and not to forget Serapinas in Aris' starting five :D

Btw, sorry for my ignorence, it's just that i'm an ultra fanatic/crazy basketball fan :scouserd:

skaP187

July 27th, 2006, 08:51 PM

that's one hell of a setting yeah! stupid but eh, the buildings are allready there? they look so darnet shiny!

skaP187

July 27th, 2006, 08:52 PM

What are they gonna play in kings dock, Beatles or basketball?
Would have been a nive place for Liverpool FC?

skaP187

July 27th, 2006, 09:19 PM

So these are not in it yet (I scrolled trouht the whole thread, or did I miss a page)
Here we go
Bilbao (very not sure... but well)
http://i7.tinypic.com/214qdud.jpg
http://i7.tinypic.com/214qe78.jpg
Murcia
http://i7.tinypic.com/214qeky.jpg
Depor fucking dreams, a shame they did not go through with this!

http://i7.tinypic.com/214qlj9.jpg
http://i7.tinypic.com/214qnb6.jpg

skaP187

July 27th, 2006, 09:20 PM

Someone else please put zaragoza and Valencia on, I am tired and I have spanish ADSL (very slow...)

Canadian Chocho

July 27th, 2006, 10:34 PM

Well after looking through threads on the Stadium and Sport Arenas (which is like a world of its own), I was wondering what are the best stadiums in your country so please post pics. There is probably similar threads like this but I'm too lazy to go searching and I felt like making my own thread to de-virginize myself.

I guess I'll start with Canada in no particular order:

Olympic Stadium, Montreal:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Le_Stade_Olympique_3.jpg

Commonwealth Stadium, Edmonton:
http://www.edmonton.ca/portal/server.pt/gateway/PTARGS_0_2_238_214_0_43/http%3B/CMSServer/NR/rdonlyres/AAF2FBBB-C11E-43CA-A8C0-DEE3954D0892/0/00350.jpeg

Rogers Centre, Toronto:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fe/RogersCentre1.jpg/800px-RogersCentre1.jpg

BC Place Stadium, Vancouver:
http://static.flickr.com/2/1496642_84bd79ef7e.jpg

...none of those are mine btw.

Daniel_Portugal

July 27th, 2006, 10:56 PM

PORTUGAL 4 most beautiful stadiums.

1: Do Dragão Stadium

http://invictadesign.com/dragao4.jpg

2: Da Luz Stadium

http://www.in.gr/news/Reviews/Review534204/assets/Luz.jpg

3: Alvalade XXI Stadium

http://www.stadiumguide.com/josedealvaladenew4.jpg

4: Municipal de Coimbra Stadium

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/euro_2004/cidade_de_coimbra/images/aussen_01.jpg

tocino

July 27th, 2006, 11:00 PM

The best stadia of England...

1. Old Trafford (MUFC)

http://www.soccermania.dk/eng-manchesterunited/old%20trafford.jpg

2. St. James Park (Newcastle)

http://www.soccermania.dk/layout-stadionbilleder/st%20james%20park%20inde.jpg

3. White Hart Lane (Tottenham)

http://www.uefa-archiv.de/Stadien/londontottenham.jpg

4. Stamford Bridge (Chelsea)

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/Stamford_Bridge-L-poster.jpg

SE9

July 27th, 2006, 11:03 PM

The United Kingdom's 4 best stadia (imo):

Wembley (under construction, so dosen't count ;) )

http://static.flickr.com/38/111838943_fcaebc66dc_b.jpg

in no order:

Millenium Stadium, Cardiff

http://static.flickr.com/54/106228339_2e6c0154c2_b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/30/62393833_97e81d399e_b.jpg

Emirates Stadium, London

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/7607/19615395649c31ab115olk1.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/64/191041483_1989ccd49e_b.jpg

urgh... now I can't decide between Lords, Centre Court - Wimbledon, Old Trafford, Hampden Park, Twickenham etc... I'll let someone else decide.

Abdi

July 28th, 2006, 12:09 AM

Bigmac1212

July 28th, 2006, 12:09 AM

I can't say which 4 American staidums are the best. However, I can put in 4 biggest stadia in the U.S.:

Michigan Stadium
Ann Arbor, Michigan
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/michigan/ann_arbor_michigan1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/michigan/ann_arbor_michigan2.jpg

Beaver Stadium
University Park, Pennsylvania
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/pennsylvania/university_park_beaver1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/pennsylvania/university_park_beaver2.jpg

Neyland Stadium
Knoxville, Tennessee
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/tennessee/knoxville_neyland1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/tennessee/knoxville_neyland2.jpg

Ohio Stadium
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/ohio/columbus_ohio1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/ohio/columbus_ohio2.jpg

pompeyfan

July 28th, 2006, 12:12 AM

well, i think it looks nice

Abdi

July 28th, 2006, 12:19 AM

So i would like to see your views, if you going to post please have a pic or link with it and the capacity please.

Well heres mine.

Info - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsterdam_ArenA

Pic - http://www.globalstadia.com/campo_ajax3.jpg

TeKnO_Lx

July 28th, 2006, 12:33 AM

Dragão stadium for miles

SkyLerm

July 28th, 2006, 12:37 AM

^^No doubt that's one of da bests.

Anna Maria

July 28th, 2006, 12:39 AM

Here's an another "moody" picture from the Color Line Arena in Hamburg

http://www.viewers.de/download/colina123.jpg

Opening: 8th November 2002
Costs: 83 Mln Euros
Construction Time: 16 Months

Winner of "Arthur Award 2005", Best European Venue.
More than 450 events since opening.

Max. Field: up to 87m x 44m

74 + 3 skyboxes
3 Restaurants
4 Bars
20 Fast-Food-Outlets
Sauna

Seats:
Ice Hockey, Handball, Basketball, Indoor Soccer: 13,000
Boxing: 15,000
Motocross: 11,000
Music Concerts: up to 16,000 (depends on stages)

Artists:
Peter Gabriel (2), Elton John (2), Eric Clapton (2), Mark Knopfler / Emmyllou Harris, US 5,
Shania Twain, Simply Red, Tom Jones, Eagles, Santana (2), Billy Joel, Oasis, The Corrs,
Bon Jovi, Christina Aguilera, Shakira, David Bowie, Kylie Minogue, Red Hot Chilli Peppers,
Bryan Adams (2), James Blunt, Placebo, Radiohead, Nena (2), Mariah Carey, Phil Collins,
Depeche Mode, Robbie Williams, Lionel Richie, Foo Fighters, A-HA, Usher, Backstreet Boys,
Joe Cocker, Snoop Dogg, Bruce Springsteen, DJ Bobo, Meat Loaf, R.E.M, Ronan Keating,
Rammstein, Sting, Britney Spears, Lenny Krawitz, Pink, Il Divo / Hayley Westenra, Cher,
Jamiroquai, Bloodhound Gang, Anastacia, Harry Belafonte, Nickelback, Roger Whittaker, Cure,
Monty Roberts, Justin Timberlake, Whitney Houston / Natalie Cole / Dionne Warwick,
Nightwish, Marilyn Manson, Eros Ramazzotti (2), Helmut Lotti, Andre Rieu (4),
Smokie / Sweet / Tremeloes / Hot Chocolate / Suzi Quatro / "Kingsize" Taylor,
Westernhagen (2), Böhse Onkelz, Pur, Grönemeyer, Ärzte (2), Udo Jürgens (3),
Dieter Thomas Kuhn, James Last, Tokio Hotel, Udo Lindenberg, Lotto Karl King (2),
Franz Ferdinand, Rolf Zukowski, Peter Maffay, Fettes Brot, Die Toten Hosen,
Flippers, Die Fantastischen Vier, Xavier Naidoo and many more.

Classic: Aida (3), Carmen (3), Nabucco, Carmina Burana

Sport Events (until July,2006):
Ice Hockey, Figure Skating, Handball, Basketball, Indoor Soccer, Motocross, Boxing, Wrestling, Equestrianism

Home-Teams:
Hamburg Freezers - Ice Hockey
HSV Hamburg - Handball

Web: www.colorline-arena.com

Abdi

July 28th, 2006, 12:39 AM

yeah thats a good one, st james' park is good.

TeKnO_Lx

July 28th, 2006, 01:20 AM

http://static.flickr.com/21/34868367_ed4ac5b9f6_b.jpg http://static.flickr.com/45/117834793_5134ce66c9_b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/36/117834791_9d5f5e15a1_b.jpg

Estádio do Dragão - Porto

Arquitecto: Manuel Salgado

http://www.forumarquitectura.com/imagens/estadios/dragao1.jpg

http://www.forumarquitectura.com/imagens/estadios/dragao2.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/26/100815100_8633beaca5_b.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/parutakupiu/Porto/Antas/Antas18.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/parutakupiu/Porto/Antas/Antas07.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/parutakupiu/Porto/Antas/Antas12.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/parutakupiu/Porto/Antas/Antas06.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/parutakupiu/Porto/Antas/Antas10.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/parutakupiu/Porto/Antas/Antas08.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/parutakupiu/Porto/Antas/Antas09.jpg

http://www.portoseguro.co.pt/onde_estamos/estadio.jpg

http://www.in.gr/news/Reviews/Review534204/assets/Dragao.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/POR/Dragao.jpg

http://fotos.sapo.pt/jobcosta/pic/00002g3y/s500x500

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWnVNYaROyk&search=est%C3%A1dio%20Drag%C3%A3o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op3xRjXPYbA&search=est%C3%A1dio%20Drag%C3%A3o

hands down..

Seth Gecko

July 28th, 2006, 01:49 AM

It seems you've attended the bubomb school of overkill!

Its AlL gUUd

July 28th, 2006, 01:58 AM

It seems you've attended the bubomb school of overkill!

surprised u havnt mentioned a certain stadium that u love,

i'll nominate Newcastle Utd's St James Park

godblessbotox

July 28th, 2006, 02:12 AM

Estádio do Dragão is amazing... i want to hug it!

Canadian Chocho

July 28th, 2006, 02:18 AM

']Peace and Friendship Stadium,Piraeus

During Construction in the 80's: Rare Images.

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/5536/33618492dsc077912ej.jpg

This is an arena from the very early 80's!

It reminds me of this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/PengrowthSaddledome.jpg/800px-PengrowthSaddledome.jpg

Seth Gecko

July 28th, 2006, 02:36 AM

Great Britain - 4 BEST:

Ibrox Stadium, Glasgow:

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/395/keclyq8rtfy7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Twickenham Stadium, London (currently undergoing redevelopment):

http://beta.plazes.com/images/plazes/3fcecf2f9778e3fef8a31aeed419cc8b.jpg

Millenium Stadium, Cardiff:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/5275/1062283392e6c0154c2bqi1.jpg

Emirates Stadium, London:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2081/euro20200420portugal2020estadio20da20luz20lisboa3b20egj9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

sakor1

July 28th, 2006, 02:46 AM

kagevrtugol

July 28th, 2006, 02:50 AM

Great Britain - 4 BEST:

Emirates Stadium, London:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2081/euro20200420portugal2020estadio20da20luz20lisboa3b20egj9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I'm sorry but that is Estádio da Luz, in Lisbon, Portugal ;)

Boards

July 28th, 2006, 02:54 AM

That Dragao stadium is bleak, sterile and souless. Looks like a multi-storey carpark with seating. Best Stadium 50,000 - 59,999? Ibrox of course.

Master Blaster

July 28th, 2006, 02:55 AM

Scotland -

Ibrox (51444)

http://stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/schottland/ibrox_stadium/images/Ibrox_c_21.jpg

Murrayfield (67500)

http://www.streetsofedinburgh.co.uk/images/Murrayfield%20Stadium.jpg

Hampden (52103) -

http://stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/schottland/hampden_park/images/blick_02.jpg

Stade De Nonce (60832)

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/SCO/Celtic_Park13.jpg

Its AlL gUUd

July 28th, 2006, 03:06 AM

That Dragao stadium is bleak, sterile and souless. Looks like a multi-storey carpark with seating. Best Stadium 50,000 - 59,999? Ibrox of course.

ha ha was waitin for that 1

Master Blaster

July 28th, 2006, 03:23 AM

Too many for a best one, maybe a top 5 - in no order -

Dragoa
Estádio Alvalade XXI
Ibrox
AOL Arena
Commerzbank-Arena

Enzo911

July 28th, 2006, 03:39 AM

Mestalla!

Master Blaster

July 28th, 2006, 03:46 AM

I did consider the Mestalla, but didn't include it as it won't be around for long. Great stadium though!

Canadian Chocho

July 28th, 2006, 05:01 AM

I'm in love with Do Dragão!!!

Dreamlıneя

July 28th, 2006, 05:36 AM

- Merida
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4745/me10601gnr5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/6219/me10602gne3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5400/me10603gbe8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8829/me10607geg8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

- San Cristobal
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3595/ta5601gwe6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2415/ta5608gde3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3108/ta5610git4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/5051/ta5614gsa3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dreamlıneя

July 28th, 2006, 05:39 AM

- Caracas
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1231/universitariolv2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7636/ccs1702gcd1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/554/ccs1707gjh7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dreamlıneя

July 28th, 2006, 05:45 AM

- Maracaibo
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1900/zu3607gmf4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2570/zu3609gbi9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6800/zu26015gtk5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/6556/zu26014gzs2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/6751/zu704hn4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4549/zu706zb6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dreamlıneя

July 28th, 2006, 05:50 AM

- Maturin
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/695/hpim0066xs2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/14/hpim0067tw7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2034/hpim0094ij2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3273/copiahpim0010zz9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dreamlıneя

July 28th, 2006, 05:53 AM

- Barinas
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/5201/barinas01ql6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/2261/demolicion3vq2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4386/ba1716gqu7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dreamlıneя

July 28th, 2006, 05:58 AM

- Puerto Ordaz
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6502/bo3701gmx3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/2811/bo3703grs0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/4781/bo3708geh8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/7059/bo3714guw7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5843/bo3709ggt1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8605/bo3710gsv4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

hngcm

July 28th, 2006, 06:56 AM

ugh, is at least one soccer specific?

RC8

July 28th, 2006, 07:13 AM

Why would you build Soccer Specific stadiums when all the stadiums are renovations of olympic stadiums? Especially when the country is aming to become candidate for the panamerican games.

There have never been soccer specific stadiums in Venezuela, so people won't miss anything, and each of these cities will get a stadium able to host events of all kinds.

Glad some work is being done, but I would like "El Universitario" in Caracas to be re-built, I mean, the thing is in shambles, and it is very very uncomfortable (you basically can seat on a plastic seat where you are not allowed to stand up, or you can seat on concrete or metal in a side of the stadium which is completely empty, or half full of the worst football followers in Latin America, I mean, when was the last time a real chant was heard at that stadium? Probably when Chile played there). It would be nice if the stadium was converted to an all-seater, as the venezuelan culture for watching sports sucks enormously anyway (They can't sing a chant, they can't jump around, they just listen to music WHILE the game is being played, and spill beer around, it's disgusting, hence why an all-seater stadium would at least keep these people away from you). Also, some roofs wouldn't harm. It's sad that the only city in Vzla that seems to do things properly consistently is Merida. All the others have achieved many things, but in Merida you actually feel like people is more interested in working than in listening to some nasty Reggaeton (not Reggae, which is great, Reggaeton).

blaxxxbla

July 28th, 2006, 07:15 AM

In Mexico,

Estadio Azteca, this one is very important because has been hoste of the football games in the Olimpic Games in Mexico in 1968 and twice hoste of the World Cups in Mexico in 1970 and 1986. The capacity is 114,600 people sitting.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g68/blaxxxbla/g13.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g68/blaxxxbla/estadioazteca.jpg

Estadio Olímpico, this one was hoste of the Olimpic Games in México in 1968.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g68/blaxxxbla/estadioolimpico.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g68/blaxxxbla/Olimpico_Mexico.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g68/blaxxxbla/Olimpico_Mexico_A.jpg

Estadio Jalisco, in Guadalajara City.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g68/blaxxxbla/Jalisco.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g68/blaxxxbla/Jalisco2.jpg

Estadio de los Tigres, Monterrey city

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g68/blaxxxbla/volkan3ul.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g68/blaxxxbla/estadio.jpg
:)

skaP187

July 28th, 2006, 08:23 AM

yeah and emirates stadium wouldnt be in that list.

What's the thread? biggest or nicest???
It's hard to read no (emirates would be on the list in that case)
stay with the facts... because this was such an easy thread to fill in

Seth Gecko

July 28th, 2006, 08:28 AM

What's the thread? biggest or nicest???
It's hard to read no (emirates would be on the list in that case)
stay with the facts... because this was such an easy thread to fill in
:rofl:
Comedy gold!

nomarandlee

July 28th, 2006, 08:30 AM

For the U.S. its near impossiable to pick...I will divide them into categories on what I think the personal best are......

Baseball -
1. Wrigley Field - Chicago
2. Fenway Park - Boston
3. PNC Park - Pittsburgh
4. AT&T Park - San Fran

Basketball/Hockey
1, Phillips Arena - Atlanta
2. AA Center - Dallas
3. Consaco Fieldhouse - Indianapolis
4. MSG - NYC (the stadium isn't great but the location and aura is great)

Football
1. Qwest Field - Seattle
2. Soldier Field - Chicago
3. Reliant Stadium - Houston
4. Ford Field - Detroit
(suspect the new Indy or AZ stadium will be up there)

Quintana

July 28th, 2006, 11:58 AM

It's not much but here goes:

Amsterdam, Amsterdam Arena, 51859
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/amsterdam_arena/240.jpg

Rotterdam, De Kuip/Stadion Feijenoord, 51137
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/de_kuip/120.jpg

Eindhoven, Philips Stadion, 35200
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/philips_stadion/140.jpg

Arnhem, Gelredome, 26600-30000
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/niederlande/gelredome/130.jpg

Durbsboi

July 28th, 2006, 12:19 PM

My 4 best Stadiums in SA PS: I did not select these for their capacity, they just my favourite

Kings Park - The Shark Tank! (ABSA Stadium Durban)

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g160/amgosai/160.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g160/amgosai/222.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g160/amgosai/223.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g160/amgosai/230.jpg

Ellis Park, Johanesburg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g160/amgosai/Ellis_Park_Stadium-1.jpg

F N B Soccer City, Johanesburg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g160/amgosai/FNB-04.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g160/amgosai/fnb-06.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g160/amgosai/FNB-Stadion.jpg

Wanderes Cricket Ground, Johanesburg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g160/amgosai/history_historical_pic.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g160/amgosai/history_upgrade_pic.jpg

Its AlL gUUd

July 28th, 2006, 01:16 PM

ENGLAND'S 4 biggest best would have to be without any arguement:

1. Wembley 90,000, London
2. Twickenham 82,000, London
3. Old Trafford 76,000, Manchester
4. Emirates Stadium 60,000, London

pauliezaz

July 28th, 2006, 05:35 PM

You can also visit this thread:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=372190

christoph

July 28th, 2006, 08:18 PM

German Stadiums:

Veltins Arena
AOL Arena
ComerzBank Arena

christoph

July 28th, 2006, 08:24 PM

Germany´s biggest (maybe best)

Signal-Iduna Arena - Dortmund 82.000
Olympic Stadium - Berlin 76.000
Allianz Arena - Munich 70.000
Veltins Arena - Gelsenkirchen 61.000

chester84

July 28th, 2006, 10:13 PM

What's the thread? biggest or nicest???
It's hard to read no (emirates would be on the list in that case)
stay with the facts... because this was such an easy thread to fill in

skaP187, I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. Seth Gecko you crack me up, I'm still chuckling now from that Estadio da luz piccy under Emirates name, and the fact that somebody thought you had geniunely made a mistake!!! :lol:

Anyway in terms of my opinion I agree with Its All Guud's list.

Abdi

July 29th, 2006, 12:42 AM

yeah the AOL ARENA is great.

Zorba

July 29th, 2006, 01:11 AM

A few photos of the beautiful AOL Arena:

http://www.region-stuttgart.de/sixcms/media.php/191/aol_arena_hh.jpg
http://www.fussballportal.de/bundesliga/stadien/imago01415693m.jpg
http://www.wolfganghelwig.de/HSVgross/HSV0.jpg
http://www.wolfganghelwig.de/HSVgross/HSV3.jpg
http://www.wolfganghelwig.de/HSVgross/HSV4.jpg
http://www.wolfganghelwig.de/HSVChoreo/Schalke.jpg
http://www.wolfganghelwig.de/HSVgross/HSVStP2.jpg
http://www.wolfganghelwig.de/HSV40Jahre/40Jahre3.jpg
http://www.wolfganghelwig.de/HSV40Jahre/40Jahre9a.jpg

:cheers:

The Concerned Potato

July 29th, 2006, 03:06 AM

Amsterdam Arena's interior makes up for the horrible exterior

i'd have to agree that Dragao is THE best. amazingly this stadium only cost £67m (E98m)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/32/Dragao_OpeningNight.jpg/800px-Dragao_OpeningNight.jpg

sexy indeed

Mad Billy

July 29th, 2006, 03:30 AM

Amsterdam Arena is overrated. A 'modern art' stadium design that will age quicker than a sun-soaked granny and stands far away from the pitch with a 'tank ditch' between the fans and the pitch!

http://www.soccermania.dk/layout-stadionbilleder/amsterdam%20arena%20inde.jpg

RSG

July 29th, 2006, 08:08 AM

In Australia it would have to be:

MCG (Melbourne)

Telstra Stadium (Sydney)

Suncorp Stadium (Brisbane)

Telstra Dome (Melbourne)

Although honourable mentions to some smaller, but certainly still good/ picturesque stadiums being; GABBA (Brisbane), Aussie (Sydney), SCG (Sydney) and Adelaide Oval (Adelaide). The Major stadiums in Perth and Adelaide need some big work IMHO.

Stu

I agree with these. I will add some pictures though.

MCG

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/oceania/australia/victoria/melbourne_cricket1.jpg

Telstra Stadium

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/oceania/australia/new_south_wales/sydney_telstra1.jpg

Telstra Dome

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/oceania/australia/victoria/melbourne_telstra1.jpg

Suncorp Stadium

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/oceania/australia/queensland/brisbane_suncorp1.jpg

Seth Gecko

July 29th, 2006, 02:22 PM

Picking a favourite has been harder than I thought, among those listed already I would pick

Veltins Arena (Gelsenkirchen)
Ibrox Stadium (Glasgow)
Estádio Alvalade (Lisbon)

as well as Fortuna Dusseldorf's LTU Arena, which was most unlucky not to be included as a venue for the World Cup.

http://www.idr.de/projekte/grafik/LTU%20arena_1.jpg

http://www.idr.de/projekte/grafik/LTU%20arena_2.jpg

Very nice.

ØlandDK

July 29th, 2006, 02:37 PM

^^
I agree, the LTU Arena is amazing, but isn't the Veltins Arena larger?

I'm a big fan of the german stadiums:
Borussia Park (M'Gladbach)
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/germany/nordrhein_westfalen/mgladbach_borussia1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/germany/nordrhein_westfalen/mgladbach_borussia2.jpg

LTU Arena (Düsseldorf)
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/germany/nordrhein_westfalen/dusseldorf_ltu1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/germany/nordrhein_westfalen/dusseldorf_ltu2.jpg

Rhein Energie Stadion (Cologne)
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/germany/nordrhein_westfalen/koln_rhein_energy1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/germany/nordrhein_westfalen/koln_rhein_energy2.jpg

and then the AOL-arena

wonker

July 29th, 2006, 03:24 PM

I'm sorry but that is Estádio da Luz, in Lisbon, Portugal ;)

Thought so, needed a couple of looks!

wonker

July 29th, 2006, 03:31 PM

urgh... now I can't decide between Lords, Centre Court - Wimbledon, Old Trafford, Hampden Park, Twickenham etc... I'll let someone else decide.

Lords by far, a mixture of old and new.

http://bama.ua.edu/~cricket/Lords.jpg

Oxtail Soup

July 29th, 2006, 04:34 PM

Giorgio

July 29th, 2006, 04:36 PM

Amsterdam Arena's interior makes up for the horrible exterior

i'd have to agree that Dragao is THE best. amazingly this stadium only cost £67m (E98m)

I dont think its amazing at all...it looks pretty cheap to build to me (but looks cool)

Fern

July 29th, 2006, 04:50 PM

^^ Perhaps because we can keep to budgets...

Oxtail Soup

July 29th, 2006, 04:53 PM

I am very surprised that Portos stadium was built on budget, as it is a well known fact that these latin types tend to be very lazy and work-shy. Hats off to them if they worked hard on this stadium though!

panamaboy9016

July 29th, 2006, 04:54 PM

In the US the biggest stadiums are the football stadiums, mainly college football stadiums, so I'll give the 4 biggest, but definitely not the 4 best and modern stadiums,

Michigan Stadium- Capacity of 107,501(Home of the Michigan Wolverines)
http://football.ballparks.com/NCAA/Big10/Michigan/aerial.jpg
http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/0405/Jan17_05/img/050117_michigan-stadium.jpg

Beaver Stadium- Capacity of 107,282(Home of the Penn. State Panthers)
http://www.campusmaps.psu.edu/explore/photos/beaver.jpg
http://www.seatdata.com/images/venue_beaver_stadium/samples/sample.jpg

Neyland Stadium-Capacity of 104,075(Home of the Tennessee Volunteers)
http://rernes.free.fr/images/etats-unis/knoxville/knoxville-neyland-stadium5.jpg
http://www.justsomefans.com/2-10.jpg

Ohio Stadium-101,568(Home of the Ohio State Buckeyes)
http://www.collegecharlie.com/files/ohio_stadium2.jpg
http://www.usaseats.com/images/ohio%20stadium%20south%20view.jpg

Oxtail Soup

July 29th, 2006, 04:56 PM

Terrible USA stadiums - some have benches and they don't even have roofs!!!! I would of thought they could at least afford to build roofs!!

Isaac Newell

July 29th, 2006, 05:05 PM

something, something, something, Rangers, something, something, something, 80,000 a game, something, something, something, bigger than you, something, something,

yawn

panamaboy9016

July 29th, 2006, 05:09 PM

Terrible USA stadiums - some have benches and they don't even have roofs!!!! I would of thought they could at least afford to build roofs!!

Normally college stadiums were made back in the 1920's and 30's so they didn't have the technology of building a roof. The new COllege Stadiums do have roofs, but the old College Football stadiums don't, that's why they are so big with no roofs. I mean, I can show you football stadiums with roofs but that's not the largest stadiums in the US. Not even NFL stadiums are bigger than College Football stadiums or should I say NCAA.

Isaac Newell

July 29th, 2006, 05:12 PM

something, something, something, Rangers, something, something, something, 80,000 a game, something, something, something, bigger than you, something, something,

yawn

Oxtail Soup

July 29th, 2006, 05:32 PM

When will it ever end?

Oxtail Soup

July 29th, 2006, 05:33 PM

There's a troll loose!!

canarywondergod

July 29th, 2006, 06:01 PM

ive always wanted to know how they can pack so many people into a relatively small area?i mean looking at the top capacity, it doesnt look anywhere near as big as say the nou camp, do they have standing areas or something or does using benches instead of seats really increase capacity that dramatically?

Christos7

July 29th, 2006, 06:04 PM

Greece

1) Olympic Stadium, Athens - 72,000

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/5148/olymqc5.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7508/olym2ep8.jpg

2) Karaiskaki Stadium, Pireas - 35,000

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/3668/dsc03726og6.jpg

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/9808/karaiskakipanoramatd9.jpg

3) Kaftanzoglio Stadium, Thessaloniki - 28,000

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5592/kaftaairkg8.jpg

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1165/kafta2zc7.jpg - http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/3905/dscn0552333ak0.jpg

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8523/picture248ze8.jpg

4) is really a toss up between 3-4 stadiums, but my personal fav out of them:

Panthessaliko Stadium, Volos - 23,000

http://www.stadia.gr/panthessaliko/panthessaliko18th.jpg

http://www.stadia.gr/panthessaliko/panthessaliko19th.jpg

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3655/03aug2004panthes3pde3.jpg - http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/5518/03aug2004panthes4pvj0.jpg

crossbowman

July 29th, 2006, 06:26 PM

Michigan Stadium- Capacity of 107,501(Home of the Michigan Wolverines)
http://football.ballparks.com/NCAA/Big10/Michigan/aerial.jpg

:omg: This one looks colossal! :runaway:

Scba

July 29th, 2006, 07:28 PM

Something that Europeans may not understand is that College Football stadiums, the larger ones at least, are made purely for atmosphere. If you go to a game, you're going with the content of jumping up and down and getting loud and rowdy. Most of the stands are for students and alumni, so you know exactly what you're going to get. Quality or beauty doesn't matter that much, it's all about the capacity.

Besides, why build a place with fifty suites and a full roof when it's only going to be filled to capacity a 6-10 times a year?

Abdi

July 29th, 2006, 08:54 PM

Im very suprised france dont have any good stadiums except stade de france, there really isnt anything else.

Malso

July 29th, 2006, 11:24 PM

:omg: This one looks colossal! :runaway:

reminds me of the old Hampden Pk Glasgow, enormous terracing

KiwiBrit

July 30th, 2006, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by Abdi

What about the Stade Velodrome?

http://www.stadiumguide.com/velodrome.htm

Nils

July 30th, 2006, 11:04 AM

What about the Stade Velodrome?

http://www.stadiumguide.com/velodrome.htm

it's capacity is OVER 59.999 so it can't be included in this list. Btw it is not competitive in my opinion.

Abdi

July 30th, 2006, 02:29 PM

What about the Stade Velodrome?

http://www.stadiumguide.com/velodrome.htm

yeah ok include that.

skaP187

July 30th, 2006, 03:15 PM

The good old Feyenoord stadium 'de kuip' (bathtub in bad english)
from the outside it's ugly, from the inside it's a jewel my opinion, true footballstadium allready about 75 years old and not realy changed in lay out.
cap. 51.180
http://i7.tinypic.com/21e54if.jpg
http://i7.tinypic.com/21e56hj.jpg
http://i7.tinypic.com/21e56hj.jpg
http://i7.tinypic.com/21e56pi.jpg
http://i7.tinypic.com/21e56wm.jpg
http://i7.tinypic.com/21e572e.jpg
Man it's a classic.

skaP187

July 30th, 2006, 03:16 PM

skaP187

July 30th, 2006, 03:25 PM

this is a nice one,
Betis Sevilla, Manuel Ruiz de Lopera
cap. 55 500
I like it, three serious tires on three sides (and one side is let's see diffrent...)
http://i7.tinypic.com/21e5ahz.jpg
http://i7.tinypic.com/21e5aat.jpg
http://i7.tinypic.com/21e5aqf.jpg
http://i7.tinypic.com/21e5axi.jpg

skaP187

July 30th, 2006, 03:26 PM

yep I like the Betis Sevilla one!

Seth Gecko

July 30th, 2006, 03:55 PM

Can most the German stadiums be included? If you taking Bundesliga capacity then yes, but out goes the Veltins Arena as it is over 60000. If you take the UEFA capacity, then Borussia Park, Cologne and Frankfurt are all under 50000!

IMO only seats count, but hey that's me!
If the stadium falls within the 50,000-59,999 range either in 'UEFA mode' or 'Bundesliga mode' then they can be included, otherwise you're excluding them on a technicality. So both veltins and commerzbank are in!

Abdi

July 30th, 2006, 04:04 PM

yeah remember when betis scored against chelsea in the champions league, the whole stadium was lit up.

Disraeli

July 30th, 2006, 04:16 PM

I'm surprised that Betis's stadium holds 55,000. From those pictures I would say it held more.

matherto

July 31st, 2006, 12:52 AM

matherto

July 31st, 2006, 12:53 AM

USAPatriot

July 31st, 2006, 01:16 AM

Impressive number are NASCAR Racing stadiums which hold over 100,000 fans. Thats just seating, not counting RV's or people standing and watching. Some hold much much more.

Sheriff's Badge

July 31st, 2006, 01:22 AM

If the stadium falls within the 50,000-59,999 range either in 'UEFA mode' or 'Bundesliga mode' then they can be included, otherwise you're excluding them on a technicality. So both veltins and commerzbank are in!

I'm not so sure! Veltins Arena's capacity is either 61481 or 54083, and Commerzbank-Arena is either 52300 or 48132. If we use the lower UEFA capacity of 54083 for The Veltins Arena to get it on the thread, then surely it is only fair to use lower UEFA capacity of 48132 for The Commerzbank-Arena?

and vice versa, if we use Bundesliga capacities, then Commerzbank-Arena is fine, but Veltins would be too big for the thread. Surely it has to be one or the other?

mikeeagle

July 31st, 2006, 02:03 AM

Color Line Arena in Hamburg is really nice.

Here's another german arena:

SAP Arena Mannheim - click me (http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/index.php?template=eishockey_hallen&action=laender&land=deutschland&foto_ordner=sap_arena&id=379)

capacity: 13.500 icehockey (11.057 average attendance in 2005/2006)

http://i7.tinypic.com/21j29w8.jpg

http://i7.tinypic.com/21j2aa1.jpg

http://i7.tinypic.com/21j2c5g.jpg

Later this year the ISS Dome in Düsseldorf will open:

capacity: 13.400 icehockey

http://i7.tinypic.com/21j3m0m.jpg

http://i7.tinypic.com/21j3o5f.jpg

http://i7.tinypic.com/21j3s40.jpg

In 2008 Berlin will finally have a new arena:

O2 World, Berlin - photos (http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/index.php?template=neubau&fotos=2)

http://i7.tinypic.com/21j2mjb.jpg

capacities: 16.000 icehockey, 17.000 basketball

Seth Gecko

July 31st, 2006, 04:10 AM

Well I would rather include Veltins, you would rather include Commerzbank. I could make a good case for Veltins ie Uefa capacity and you could make an equally strong case for domestic league capacity, to include the Commerzbank. SO how would we decide? Put it to a vote, or ask the thread starter?

Either way I chose the LTU arena in Dusseldorf, so if only one 'mode' was to be chosen, I'd want it to be whichever one allows the LTU to be in the thread.

Seth Gecko

July 31st, 2006, 04:16 AM

Impressive number are NASCAR Racing stadiums which hold over 100,000 fans. Thats just seating, not counting RV's or people standing and watching. Some hold much much more.
Thats very clever. In a normal civilised country you couldn't pay a handful of people to watch nascar, never mind 100,000.

Sheriff's Badge

July 31st, 2006, 04:22 AM

LTU is ok in both modes, it is one of the few sausage stadiums with no terracing options....it's 51500 all the time. I'm going for Veltins as well!

I visited the LTU in Dusseldorf during the World Cup, very nice with great transport links. I went swimming beside it as there was a big outdoor pool. The fanny was top notch! However, due to a bad hangover (this is not a joke), I followed through accidentally in the pool, thankfully I made a swift exit and nobody noticed! I was ashamed of myself, buy what can you do??

Seth Gecko

July 31st, 2006, 04:55 AM

You run! These things do happen from time to time, but you can't really expect people to be understanding about it when they're swimming about in your diarrhea!

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I only managed to see Dusseldorf train station (Hauptbanhof) when I was there, as I was only passing through Dusseldorf on my way home. The German trainstations are huge, they're as big as some shopping centres here. I could easily have spent a whole day in the one in Cologne if I had more money to spend

Sheriff's Badge

July 31st, 2006, 07:18 AM

Dusseldorf looks terrible from Hauptbanhof, but it is actually a really nice city. All the other cities centres were visible from their Hauptbanhof, but Dusseldorf Hauptbanhof gives the impression of a dead city (that all changes when you get to Altstadt!) Yeah, the transpoort was light years ahead of the UK, I never had to wait more than 5 minutes for a tram, S-Bahn or U-Bahn, and they were all clean, modern and on time. It was so easy to get anywhere in any city in very fast time! I met a really nice girl in Dusseldorf if you get what I mean....thank god she wasn't present when the bum gravy incident occurred!! My 2 mates who were with me wondered why I suddenly bolted out the pool complex!! They followed me and praised the lord they got out the pool so fast when I told them what had happened!

SE9

July 31st, 2006, 02:23 PM

There are several good stadia in this capacity range; Gottlieb Daimler Stadion, AOL Arena, and Estádio do Dragão, amongst them.

carfentanyl

July 31st, 2006, 02:36 PM

Impressive number are NASCAR Racing stadiums which hold over 100,000 fans. Thats just seating, not counting RV's or people standing and watching. Some hold much much more.

Wow. How great! You Americans really are magnificent!

An even more impressive number is the number of spermatozoans in semen; 200- to 500-million!!!

carfentanyl

July 31st, 2006, 03:00 PM

I really dislike the way theyve crammed seats in the bottom tier, in fact, I really just dislike De Kuip

Don't want to come of too defensive, but have you ever been in De Kuip? Or do you base your judgement purely on the way it looks on pictures? I'm a seasonticketholder for many years already sitting in the bottom tier, and it's a great place to be for a supporter.

Funny how the Amsterdam Arena was mentioned first in this thread while even quite some hardcore ajax-supporters don't even like their own stadium. Accoustics are bad, which makes the atmosphere bad, stands are too steep and too far away from the pitch.

As a building it's nice, as a stadium it's pretty bad. Just like most of the arena-like stadiums out there. It's just really too bad that architects experience football a lot different than the actual users(supporters) do.

GNU

July 31st, 2006, 03:46 PM

Borussia Parks exterior is rather dull but the interior is fine:

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/GER/Borussia-Park.jpg
http://www.borussia-fotos.de/images/de/blick_vom_oberrang_nordkurve.jpg
http://www.borussia-fotos.de/images/de/geschaeftsstelle_borussia.jpg
http://www.borussia-fotos.de/images/de/vip-tribuene.jpg

pauliezaz

August 1st, 2006, 09:54 AM

Estonia:

Saku Suurhall

City: Tallinn
Capacity: 10.000
Built: 2001
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/estonia/tallinn_suurhall1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/estonia/tallinn_suurhall2.jpg

Latvia:

Arena Riga

City: Riga
Capacity: 12.500
Built: 2006
http://www.bbl.net/Gallery/allstar_game/Arena_Riga_RK.JPG

Skonto Arena

City: Riga
Capacity: 6.500
Built: 1996

Lithuania

Siemens Arena

City: Vilnius
Capacity: 12.000
Built: 2004
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/lithuania/vilnius_siemens1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/lithuania/vilnius_siemens2.jpg

Kaunas Sports Hall (S. Darius and S.Girenas Spors Centre)

City: Kaunas
Capacity: 4.350
Built: 1938
http://www.euroleague.net/fotos/noticias/jornada1/gra_347_22.jpg

skaP187

August 1st, 2006, 10:43 AM

it's scarry! brrrrrrr

Martuh

August 1st, 2006, 11:37 AM

Don't bother about the German stadiums, use UEFA of DFB capacities. The more stadiums to choose from, the better.

Nice European stadiums which are 50,000 - 59,999:

Bari - Stadio San Nicola - 58.000
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/italy/puglia/bari_san_nicola1.jpg

Madrid - Vicente Calderón - 58.000
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/spanien/vicente_calderon/140.jpg

Stuttgart - Gottlieb Daimler Stadion - 57.000 (DFB)
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/vfb_stuttgart/images/innen_08.jpg

Sevilla - Manuel Ruiz de Lopera - 56.000
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/spanien/ruiz_de_lopera/130.jpg

Barcelona - Olímpic Lluís Companys - 56.000

Hamburg - AOL Arena - 55.000 (DFB)
http://www.miniatur-wunderland.de/admin/images/aol-arena-1.jpg

Olso - Holmenkollen Stadion - 55.000
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/norway/oslo_holmenkollen1.jpg

Sevilla - Ramón Sánchez Pizjuán - 55.000
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/spanien/estadio_sanchez_pizjuan/200.jpg

Mönchengladbach - Borussia-Park - 54.000 (DFB)
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/borussia_moenchengladbach/images/kompakt_neu_01.jpg

Paris - Parc des Princes - 54.000
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/frankreich/parc_des_princes/192.jpg

Gelsenkirchen - Arena AufSchalke - 53.000 (UEFA)
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/fc_schalke_04/images/kompakt_05.jpg

Valencia - Estadio Mestalla - 53.000
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/spanien/mestalla_camp/220.jpg

Vienna - Ernst Happel Stadion - 50.000
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/euro_2008/ernst_happel_stadion/images/100.jpg

Frankfurt - Commerzbank-Arena - 52.000 (DFB)
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/eintracht_frankfurt/images/innen_01.jpg

Amsterdam - Amsterdam Arena - 52.000
http://www.amsterdamtourist.nl/upload/afbeeldingen/consumentensite/attracties/arenagr.jpg

Newcastle - St. James Park - 52.000
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/england/st_james_park/280.jpg

Rotterdam - De Kuip - 51.000 (which is NOT bathtub, just a regular tub)
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/netherlands/rotterdam_de_kuip1.jpg

Glasgow - Hampden Park - 51.000
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/schottland/hampden_park/images/blick_01.jpg

Brussels - Koning Boudewijn Stadion - 50.000
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/belgien/stade_roi_baudouin/140.jpg

Lisbon - Estádio José Alvalade - 50.000
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/euro_2004/estadio_alvalade/images/innen_06.jpg

Glasgow - Ibrox Stadium - 50.000
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/schottland/ibrox_stadium/images/Ibrox_pan_01.jpg

Istanbul - Fenerbahçe Sükrü Saraçoglu - 50.000
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/marmara/istanbul_fenerbahce2.jpg

Dublin - Lansdowne Road - 50.000
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/irland/landsdowne_road_dublin/100.jpg

Porto - Estádio do Dragão - 50.000
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/euro_2004/estadio_dragao/images/innen_15.jpg

Abdi

August 1st, 2006, 03:36 PM

Thanks martuh that was great.

Llanfairpwllgwy-ngyllgogerychwy-rndrobwllllanty-siliogogogoch

August 1st, 2006, 03:45 PM

Wow. How great! You Americans really are magnificent!

An even more impressive number is the number of spermatozoans in semen; 200- to 500-million!!!

or the numbers of bacteria on a kitchen cloth in a student house.

Malso

August 1st, 2006, 08:15 PM

best is:-
Hampden PK

Canadian Chocho

August 1st, 2006, 09:25 PM

HOLY TITS! That Holmenkollen Stadion, I've never seen anything like it!!

matherto

August 1st, 2006, 10:10 PM

best is:-
Hampden PK

that is quite simply, bollocks

kaunaz

August 1st, 2006, 11:38 PM

Latvia No.1 Arenas in Baltic region. Of course till Kaunas and Siauliai arenas will be finished. :)

BobDaBuilder

August 2nd, 2006, 11:34 AM

^^^^^^^^

Siauliai's club will then be able to play in Euro leagues now it has a big enough stadium. Bad news for Zalgiris!

Canadian Chocho

August 3rd, 2006, 12:46 AM

No asian stadiums?

Sir Costa

August 3rd, 2006, 06:04 AM

What about the Winning Eleven stadiums??
There are some stadiums in the game I've never seen before. 2 stadiums in Africa (Vodapark and the other one) and 1 in Europe (Sweden, I can't remember the name).

I hope you could help with pictures of this stadiums, and (if possible), pictures of all the stadiums of Winning Eleven 10.

Thanks!

victory

August 3rd, 2006, 07:08 AM

I agree with these. I will add some pictures though.

MCG

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/oceania/australia/victoria/melbourne_cricket1.jpg

Telstra Stadium

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/oceania/australia/new_south_wales/sydney_telstra1.jpg

Telstra Dome

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/oceania/australia/victoria/melbourne_telstra1.jpg

Suncorp Stadium

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/oceania/australia/queensland/brisbane_suncorp1.jpg

A more recent picture of the upgraded MCG...
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h204/aegis_2006/mcg-athletictrack.jpg

BaronVonChickenpants

August 3rd, 2006, 02:01 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports_attendance_figures

eddyk

August 3rd, 2006, 03:06 PM

Is football not that popular in Brazil then?

Zaqattaq

August 3rd, 2006, 03:48 PM

College American football has much higher attendance than the NFL but this list only shows professional sports

BaronVonChickenpants

August 3rd, 2006, 04:03 PM

College American football has much higher attendance than the NFL but this list only shows professional sports

if you look further down,it has a list for college and amatuer sports.the first list is pro-sports..read the whole thing
it does say that it is missing information on certain places/competitions

EADGBE

August 3rd, 2006, 04:27 PM

Interesting.

Everyone raves about The Premiership as a 'product', but 33,875 is a bit paltry as an average, really.

So, what will this season be? Since last year, Arsenal have opened the Emirates, a gain of nearly 22,000 seats and United have added 8,000 to the Quadrants. Balance that with the fact that Sunderland (49,000), Birmingham (30,000) and West Brom (28,000) have been replaced by Watford (22,000), Reading (24,000) and Sheffield United (33,000) and the seating gains at United and Arsenal are almost cancelled out. In fact, I calculate that there are only 2,187 more seats this season out of about 750,000 in total.

With similar fill rates to last year, the figure for next season will go up by about 115 to 39,380. Not much, and that very much depends on Arsenal selling out Emirates every game as they did Highbury...

05/06 Capacity ............T. Attend.............Ave. Att.............Fill %

Arsenal............38,419............725,499............38,184............99%
Aston Villa............42,573............648,124............34,112............80%
Birmingham City............30,016............520,448............27,392............91%
Blackburn Rovers............31,367............399,288............21,015............67%
Bolton Wanderers............28,723............480,036............25,265............88%
Charlton Athletic............27,111............497,721............26,196............97%
Chelsea............42,360............796,131............41,902 ............99%
Everton............40,260 ............700,347............36,860 ............92%
Fulham............22,500 ............392,430............20,654 ............92%
Liverpool............45,362 ............840,491............44,236 ............98%
Manchester City............48,000 ............814,269............42,856 ............89%
Manchester United............67,600 ............1,306,528............68,765 ............100%
Middlesbrough............35,100 ............540,799............28,463 ............81%
Newcastle United............52,387............988,609............52,032 ............99%
Portsmouth............20,220............376,951............19,840 ............98%
Sunderland............49,000............644,180............33,904 ............69%
Tottenham Hotspur............36,240............685,399............36,074 ............100%
West Brom. Albion............28,003............482,667............25,404 ............91%
West Ham United............35,647............641,109............33,743 ............95%
Wigan Athletic............25,138............391,587............20,610 ............82%

Total/Average 746,026............12,872,613............33,875............86%
39,265

06/07 Capacity............T. Attend.............Ave. Att............Fill %

Arsenal............60,000 ............1,133,032............59,633 ............99%
Aston Villa............42,573 ............648,124 ............34,112 ............80%
Blackburn Rovers............31,367 ............399,288 ............21,015 ............67%
Bolton Wanderers............28,723 ............480,036 ............25,265 ............88%
Charlton Athletic............27,111 ............497,721 ............26,196 ............97%
Chelsea............42,360 ............796,131 ............41,902 ............99%
Everton............40,260 ............700,347 ............36,860 ............92%
Fulham............22,500 ............392,430 ............20,654 ............92%
Liverpool............45,362 ............840,491 ............44,236 ............98%
Manchester City............48,000 ............814,269 ............42,856............89%
Manchester United............76,000 ............1,444,000............76,000 ............100%
Middlesbrough............35,100 ............540,799 ............28,463 ............81%
Newcastle United............52,387............988,609 ............52,032 ............99%
Portsmouth............20,220............376,951 ............19,840 ............98%
Reading............24,225............377,426 ............19,865 ............82%
Sheffield United............33,000............514,140 ............27,060 ............82%
Tottenham Hotspur............36,240............685,399 ............36,074 ............100%
Watford............22,000............342,760 ............18,040 ............82%
West Ham United............35,647............641,109 ............33,743............95%
Wigan Athletic............25,138............391,587............20,610............82%

Total/Average 748,213............13,004,648............34,223............87%
39,380

Still, it's much better than Serie A or La Primera Liga...