here are some updates:


Maturin

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Merida

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San cristobal

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Barquisimeto

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Maracaibo

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Pto Ordaz


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http://www.e-bolivar.gov.ve/admin/ver_foto.php?id=1345&table=fotos_prensa

holy shit they are fast last time I saw the updates it was like 2 months ago and now they built a shit load in that time I was worried mabye they could not get the stadiums finished in time but now it looks like they just might do it.

Shouldnt the stadiums be finished by now? the tournament starts in just over a month.

^^ ^^ ^^ ^^

the cup will start on june 26.

they have to be ready by may 30 as the conmebol said that was the due date.

im hoping mexico plays in either barquisimeto or maturin. :)

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Aurora Stadium - Launceston, Tasmania, Australia

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Telstra Dome - Melbourne, Victoria Australia

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Telstra Stadium - Sydney, NSW Australia

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More MCG pics

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Bellerive Stadium - Hobart, Tasmania Australia

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Aussie Stadium - Sydney, NSW Australia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/Panorama-AussieStadium-Oct2005.jpg

Enjoy!

8 more here

http://www.pbase.com/elastic02/panorama

Arena Auf Schalke (Veltins Arena)

http://nora.embl-heidelberg.de/gallery/d/1235-3/001_Stadium_panorama.jpg



Yankee Stadium

http://www.dirkpaessler.com/gallery/d/15608-2/yankee+stadium+pano+1.jpg




Heaps more here

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Enjoy!!!

Thanks to rexfan for sourcing it out
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Athens Olympic Stad.

that's ok

http://flickr.com/groups/stadiumpanoramas/pool/

There are 176 there

remind me again why venezuela did'nt go up against brazil for the 2014 world cup???

Perhaps they're positioning themselves for 2030? Perhaps Chavez decided not to bid out of solidarity with Lula? :dunno:

remind me again why venezuela did'nt go up against brazil for the 2014 world cup???

cuz they wouldn't win

all those athletic tracks would be pretty damaging to its bid

running track do'nt go against bids:ohno:

Barquisimeto Metropolitan Stadium
(40200 Allseater stadium)



Updated: April 25th, 2007...

Roof Pieces____________________South Section (inside)

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Seats

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great venues..whats with all the athletics tracks?

post no 4

Euroborg Stadium - FC Groningen - Groningen, The Netherlands

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Texas Memorial Stadium

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Some nice stadiums and beautiful settings: mountains, rapids...

Millennium Stadium Cardiff, Wales
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Abe Lenstra Stadion, SC Heerenveen, Netherlands 26k

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Unfortunately, the time isn't yet right for hosting the even bigger tournament. However, they can be glad that they're putting up some nice grounds for this Copa.

However, 2030 would be the year for them if they can get their you-know-what together. If a future FIFA president says it's OK to co-bid, then a combo of Colombia-Venezuela would be a brilliant idea. Then, I could get to practice some salsa dancing for the chicas. :dance2:

there is a technical reason for this,,, most stadiums will have sunken pitches to avoid air currents at pitch level.,, also it is cheaper to built over a manmade hill, if you already have to dig,,,, then just get the oval shape,

In the case of Ralph Wilson stadium, the sunken field causes swirling winds that really screws with punts, field goals, and kickoffs. It's not unusual to see the flags on top of the goal posts at opposite ends of the stadium blowing in completely different directions.

SINGAPORE : It is the world's first and largest floating stage, and is set to be THE platform for mega performances on the waters at Marina Bay in the next five years.


Made entirely of steel, the stage was recently used to celebrate the Singapore Combat Engineers' 40th Anniversary Parade.


It is also set to welcome a new generation of National Day Parades for the next five years.


Slightly larger than a soccer field, the new stage is made of 1.2 metres of light-weight steel which floats on water.


"The requirement is to create vast spaces on the water. And to also create a space for mass spectator events as well as a temporary set for the National Stadium to take huge performance stage sets. We have to design a platform that's rigid enough to take these high loads," says Dr Koh Hock Seng, Senior Program Manager, Naval Systems, Defence Science & Technology Agency.


The result - a stage that can take the weight of about 9,000 people and three large military tanks.


What's more, it is designed to be broken up and reconnected into various shapes and sizes, when needed.


And walking on it is as good as walking on solid ground. Stage performers don't have to worry about getting sea-sick.


Even though the stage floats on water like a ship, it doesn't swing along with the waves - mainly because it is held in place by six columns, each driven 16 to 20 metres deep into the sea bed.


But the stage is free to move up and down following the rising and falling sea levels.


Construction took a year to complete - it started in March 2006 and was completed by end-April 2007.


But due to land and height constraints, the seven-storey high gallery can only sit some 27,000 people - about half the number of previous National Day Parades at the National Stadium.


"At the end of the day for this very first NDP 07 over here... besides having a seat at the sitting gallery, we have the vast area of this Marina area which people could... find a suitable place, and at the same time, hopefully they can enjoy the NDP 07," says Tan Tze Leng, Programme Manager, Infrastructure, Defence Science & Technology Agency.


The floating platform will be managed by the Singapore Sports Council. - CNA/yy

The Emirates stadium (60 400)
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Singapore Sports Council organises farewell tours of National Stadium

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The Singapore Sports Council has started a series of farewell tours of the National Stadium.

The free tours - launched this week - will be conducted every Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday (excluding public holidays).

Visitors will be treated to facts like: each of the four 70-metre tall floodlights towers has 75 light bulbs and when the lights are on, it is as bright as having the headlights of 100,000 cars shining on the stadium.

Other trivia include :

When was the National Stadium built?

How many bricks were used for the 60-hectare stadium?

And how many red grandstand seats are there?

These questions, and more, were answered during the two-hour guided tour.

Visitors were thrilled as they were taken to every nook and corner as well as the highs and lows in the National Stadium's glorious 34-year history.

Some came to relive memories of their dating days while others reminisced about the electrifying Kallang Roar and Kallang Wave.

Besides sporting events, the National Stadium also celebrated National Day, Youth Festivals and concerts by top artists.

"All we knew was it's our national stadium. From this tour we knew about the history, and our previous athletes, the heroes, and the glory they have brought to Singapore. It's a pity and a sad thing that the Stadium is going to be gone. And we hope to make it for the last match which is going to be on 30th June. So we're waiting for the details of the last match!" said visitor Careen Wong.

The National Stadium will be torn down after it is closed.

Those who wish to make group tour bookings can do so at the email address ssc_sports_museum@ssc.gov.sg, or call 6340 9517.

Each group tour can take 20 people. - CNA/ch

-Barquisimeto Metropolitan Stadium-

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^^ Impressive!! The best one definitely! :yes:

Rite, i like it too :colgate: :lol:

Wonderful pics guys!!! ;)

remind me again why venezuela did'nt go up against brazil for the 2014 world cup???

Because Venezuela has never been in a world cup... :(

running track do'nt go against bids:ohno:

ummm....

Yes they do.

I believe FIFA has a max on the number of stadiums that can have a running track.

2.

That and they wouldn't want most of the stadiums to have bad views for the fans.

One of the first major bowls ever built, the Yale Bowl, current seating around 65,000.
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http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/a/a0/400px-YaleBowl-Gate13.JPG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale_Bowl
errr....I guess Greeks and Romans and the like were the first to dig stadiums.....would be interesting to learn about.

On the Official site it says both 23,000 and 26,000.

23,000....3rd biggest in world
26,000....Biggest

Thompson-Boling Arena in Knoxville Tn, seating for 24,535. Home of the Lady Vols, over 20,000 regularly attend women's games.
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http://www.tbarena.com/aboutUs.asp :)

Arena equals an enclosed stadium with an icehokey/basketball/tennis sized playing area in the terminology most people here use.

I'm still suppized that the Germans picked Nuremberg for the World Cup with its smaller/older stadium with a running track over the much larger and more modern one in Dusseldorf.

San Antonio's Alamodome hosted the Spurs for nine years, seating over 39,000 at times.
http://www.bolling.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/030127-O-9999J-022.jpg

The New Orleans Jazz played for four years in the....errr......what's the name of that Dome?
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Seating for over 55,000 in basketball configuration, it has hosted 4 NCAA Final Fours.:lol:

What if someone wanted to build a stadium downtown for example and the land was to expensive to justify a stadium. Maybe this idea is silly I don't know,but could someone build a stadium COMPLETELY underground and the land above could still be used for office space or maybe a park ? Just wondering...:)

Which country has the best stadium infrastructure?

USA

here we go...uh england.

AUSTRALIA MAYBE!

its obvious its Germany look at there top teir league almost everysingle one of the teams in it has a world class stadium with an exception of a few team. And alot of teams like Bremen and Dynamo Dresden and the team thats first place right now in 2. Bundesliga (I cant remeber their name) are all getting new stadiums. Germany has the best infrastructure. England does not at all it has arsenals stadium, man cities stadium, man united stadium, chelseas stadium, and Aston villas stadium thats it. The rest of their stadiums are either cookey cutter stadiums or really ugley renovated crap like fulham and charlilton and Tottenham.

When you combine football stadium and arenas (not to mention baseball stadiums or college stadiums) it is the U.S. pretty easily.

its obvious its Germany look at there top teir league almost everysingle one of the teams in it has a world class stadium with an exception of a few team. And alot of teams like Bremen and Dynamo Dresden and the team thats first place right now in 2. Bundesliga (I cant remeber their name) are all getting new stadiums. Germany has the best infrastructure. England does not at all it has arsenals stadium, man cities stadium, man united stadium, chelseas stadium, and Aston villas stadium thats it. The rest of their stadiums are either cookey cutter stadiums or really ugley renovated crap like fulham and charlilton and Tottenham.

err Wembley Stadium, Twickenham Stadium?????

Anyway the answer can only be the USA

:lock:

Germany obviusly.

Maybe consideranding all UK with Milenium stadium of Cardiff, Twickenham, Wembley, Old Trafford, the Glasgow stadiums, new Anfield...., Germay has very funtional stadiums.

England, Germany and Spain are certainly up there. Italy would come into the next tier with a lot of their stadia needing upgrading.

USA, no contest.

USA in everything
stadiums
arenas
racetracks

i'll go with USA. fits for all event. motor sports, football, soccer, ice hockey, baseball. can even organize Olympic in a week's notice. no doubt.

Infrastructure is generally a set of interconnected structural elements that provide the framework supporting an entire structure. The term has diverse meanings in different fields, but is perhaps most widely understood to refer to roads, airports, and utilities.

:ohno:

USA obvousley. Near enough stadium has a motorway in its vicinity.

Canada? LOL.

This is a no brainer! USA has hundreds and thousands of stadiums, in all shapes and sizes.

USA runs away with this one....

If we're talking infrasturcture. USA and England. Stewarding, refreshments, seating, safety, accessibility, ticketing, car parking etc etc.

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http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/sports/gallery2/d/249-1/huddersfield-aerial-aa04600b.jpg

http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/sports/gallery2/d/225-1/coventry-stadium-aa09004b.jpg

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USA, hands down.

Costa Rica duh!

This is a ridiculous thread. Anyone who says anything other than the USA is either incredibly biased or a moron.

1 = USA

Followed by (order is up for debate) = UK, Australia, Spain and Germany.

1) Germany
2) USA
3) France
4) Spain
5) UK
6) Italy
7) Australia
8) China
9) Brazil
10) Japan

Looking at the most modern facilities--those with corporate suites, wider concourses, more accessible points of entry, logistics, concessions, etc, its the USA hands down. Looking at a list of the last 50 stadiums over 60,000 built in the world:

The US has 18 of them.

China and the UK each have 5.

No one else is close.

Two-thirds of all NFL teams play in a stadium that would be the envy of all but at most a couple of football/soccer teams in each of England, Spain, Italy, Germany, or France.

When you combine football stadium and areans (not to mention baseball stadiums or college stadiums) it is the U.S. pretty easily.

yeah, i agree

Australia...for sure !!!! Ok..other countries that have many more cities obviously would have more but each city in Australia has fantastic stadiums....Particularly Melbourne ! The question isn't who has the most....Australia's stadiums have individual comfort seating.....usually with cup holders. Most stadiums in the world today have large video screens/ scoreboard..restaurant/ food outlets..and all necessary facilities. http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9477/untitled2006mediumip3.png (http://imageshack.us)

USA yes, but the quality of stadia? eg: designs, etc...?

I'd also say USA, but England, Germany, Spain & Australia are also up there too. Also Portugal too.

It's between USA and Germany. For sure.

This is a ridiculous thread. Anyone who says anything other than the USA is either incredibly biased or a moron.

USA:lol: I would say AUSTRALIA

its obvious its Germany look at there top teir league almost everysingle one of the teams in it has a world class stadium with an exception of a few team. And alot of teams like Bremen and Dynamo Dresden and the team thats first place right now in 2. Bundesliga (I cant remeber their name) are all getting new stadiums. Germany has the best infrastructure. England does not at all it has arsenals stadium, man cities stadium, man united stadium, chelseas stadium, and Aston villas stadium thats it. The rest of their stadiums are either cookey cutter stadiums or really ugley renovated crap like fulham and charlilton and Tottenham.

Man City's and Arsenal's stadiums may be pretty and new, but give me Old Trafford and an expanded White Hart Lane over them any day!

It's arguable whether Germany's top flights stadiums are better than England's, but does Germany have the same number of well-attended smaller stadiums going down four leagues that England has? If we're talking stadium infrastrcuture then surely the smaller stadiums have a part to play as well.

USA IMO

I think many are getting the words most and best mixed up...but some people think most is best?????

If we're talking infrasturcture. USA and England. Stewarding, refreshments, seating, safety, accessibility, ticketing, car parking etc etc.



Germany has far better infrasturcture than England. German has many modern stadiums. Even 3rd div teams can play in new 52k stadiums. Most German stadiums have a train/light rail station next to them. The German stewards are nothing like the dictators that stewards are in the UK. Oh and in Germany you can still stand behind the goals :)

In German stadiums you can buy a quality beer for €2 and drink it in your seat. Well it's actually €3 but €1 is a cup deposit. Food is also good and costs 50% less than food in UK stadiums.

I have been to most of Englands and Scotlands top flight stadiums and most of Germanys. Germany wins hands down.

Another thread that suffers from 'unclear premise syndrome'. Lots of different answers because of the wide interpretation of the words 'stadium infrastructure'. Given that everyone else has taken their understanding of the phrase and run with it, then so will I:

My nomination is the USA. Here's why:

It must inevitably be linked to quantity of stadia because 'infrastructure' means a whole, the sum of the parts. Therefore, the more parts, the better the infrastructure. The US has (many) more to choose from, therefore, the sum total is more impressive. Quality of the facilities is important but to me, quantity is most important aspect in the context of this question.

I also inferred the logistical aspect of the word 'infrastructure'. This brings into play issues such as roads, parking, mass transportation and other amenities. With a few notable exceptions, most are sited near a major road, have a significant amount of parking available (Americans, before you complain about a particular park, consider that the average is probably much worse her in the UK and in most other countries). I'm less certain about the level of rail infrastructure in the US, but it's hardly a major factor in most European stadia. Of course, the USA has a greater network of airports too.

Then there's the 'gameday' fan amenities. We're just beginning to scratch the surface of that 'industry' over here. Most Premiership grounds have very minimal levels of out-of-ground spectator entertainment and are mostly still mired in the more traditional pub/burger bar culture.

So, second-place is a choice of probably the UK, Germany and Australia with Portugal getting a notable commendation. Remember both Portugal and Germany have needed to instigate a stadium-building programme, having both hosted major tournaments in the last three years.

I'd say it's too close to call, given the latitude for interpretation - and the fact that there's no 'right' answer anyway.

It's a bit like asking someone which of their kids they like best...

If we are talking about football ( soccer ) germany gets the first prize, by far. But if you combine baseball, basketball and other stupid american "-balls" usa is the leader!

USA first obviously

then the UK, because Germany's stadiums below the Bundesliga generally need renovation, or teams with new stadiums. The UK has many, many good stadiums below the top level

then Japan, what with all their high-tec domes, and the stadiums from the 2002 WC and so on

then Australia, with the MCG and Telstra Stadium, very modern, very nice

Japan?

Vanuatu?

i think germany!

If the Metrodome had a cable tension roofs over the stands instead of the air supported dome it would be regarded as one of the better stadiums in the bundasliga (64,384 seats, 100 suites, fits a football field very tightly directly on light rail line), but its well behind NFL standards interms of concourses, restrooms, suites, parking ect. I have been to games at Stuttgart, Leverkusen and Hamburg. I know those aren't the finest in the bundasliga, but interms of facilities they are not up to the older NFL and MLB stadiums, much less the new ones. If you wan't to argue style, maybe (I would put Paul Brown, Qwest Field and Lambeau field as my aesthetic top threre for pro stadiums, now that the Munich OlympiaStadion isn't in regular use). And interms of atmosphere the NFL is definately not on top. But interms of infrastucture now one else is up there. The Allianz Arena and Arena auf Schalke would meet NFL standards, and thats it. Every NFL stadium outside of San Fransisco and Oakland would meet Bundasliga standards with some roof work. And if you look at arenas the U.S. is ahead of the rest of the world combined.

In the USA, most of the stadiums in the big 4 sports (NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL) are less than 10 years old, and just about all of them have ample parking, wide concourses, huge amounts of luxury boxes, cup holders, roomy padded seats, etc... There isn't anyone close. There are probably 10 cities in the US that could hold an Olympic games right now with very little work, and at least 5 STATES that could hold a world cup.

If we are talking about football ( soccer ) germany gets the first prize, by far. But if you combine baseball, basketball and other stupid american "-balls" usa is the leader!

exactly! :cheers:

In the USA, most of the stadiums in the big 4 sports (NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL) are less than 10 years old, and just about all of them have ample parking, wide concourses, huge amounts of luxury boxes, cup holders, roomy padded seats, etc... There isn't anyone close. There are probably 10 cities in the US that could hold an Olympic games right now with very little work, and at least 5 STATES that could hold a world cup.

I agree with everything you just said, apart from the very last bit. Want to try and prove me wrong?

If we are talking about football ( soccer ) germany gets the first prize, by far. But if you combine baseball, basketball and other stupid american "-balls" usa is the leader!

That's B.S. There are 30 teams in the NFL, 27 of them play in state of the art stadiums that can shame most stadiums in the Bundesliga. There are only 3 stadiums in Germany that can match up with the average NFL stadium. Allianz Arena, Olympic Stadium (Berlin), and Veltins Arena. The rest couldn't host division II football.

Stadiums in the UK are similar, the new Wembley, Emirates, and maybe Old Trafford would be comparable to NFL stadiums.

Half the NFL stadiums could host a world cup match right now, the other half would just need grass installed.

Don't get me started on the other 3 sports. There are about 100 big league state of the art stadiums in the US, and I'm not counting college.

I agree with everything you just said, apart from the very last bit. Want to try and prove me wrong?

You are right. If you split up the nation regionally though you could likely find four or five regions able or nearly able to host a World Cup. Indivual states though? No.

I agree with everything you just said, apart from the very last bit. Want to try and prove me wrong?

Ok, there are 3 for sure Texas, Florida, California. Maybe 5 is a stretch. The other two I was thinking about were NY, and PA but they don't have quite enough stadiums.

Germany has far better infrasturcture than England. German has many modern stadiums. Even 3rd div teams can play in new 52k stadiums. Most German stadiums have a train/light rail station next to them. The German stewards are nothing like the dictators that stewards are in the UK. Oh and in Germany you can still stand behind the goals :)

In German stadiums you can buy a quality beer for €2 and drink it in your seat. Well it's actually €3 but €1 is a cup deposit. Food is also good and costs 50% less than food in UK stadiums.

I have been to most of Englands and Scotlands top flight stadiums and most of Germanys. Germany wins hands down.


Yes because rail is such an efficient way to get to a stadium when you share it with rival fans! :ohno:

Ok, there are 3 for sure Texas, Florida, California. Maybe 5 is a stretch. The other two I was thinking about were NY, and PA but they don't have quite enough stadiums.

To host a FIFA World Cup you need 12 stadia, in 11 or 12 cities, each of which need enough hotel rooms to handle visiting fans.

In California, Los Angeles (Coliseum and Rose Bowl), San Francisco and San Diego are gimmes, and I'll let you have Oakland despite its proximity to Frisco, but not Long Beach or Anaheim - so we're up to five. If Hornet Stadium and Spartan Stadium both had a major upgrade you could add Sacramento and San Jose - that's seven, and if you built a new stadium in Fresno, eight. Close, but no cigar...

To host a FIFA World Cup you need 12 stadia, in 11 or 12 cities, each of which need enough hotel rooms to handle visiting fans.

In California, Los Angeles (Coliseum and Rose Bowl), San Francisco and San Diego are gimmes, and I'll let you have Oakland despite its proximity to Frisco, but not Long Beach or Anaheim - so we're up to five. If Hornet Stadium and Spartan Stadium both had a major upgrade you could add Sacramento and San Jose - that's seven, and if you built a new stadium in Fresno, eight. Close, but no cigar...

12?

having the most stadiums doesn't mean having the best. any country can pony up the money needed to build a state of the art stadium.

12?

Oops, just checked. Make that a minimum of ten.

I think its a bit silly comparing a vast nation of around 300 million with individual countries like the UK, Germany, Spain etc. If we had EU vs US, then that would be a fairer comparison IMO, and one which I think the EU wins

The UK, Spain, France, Germany & Italy combined have an equal population to that of the US (Theres no need to look at the entire union to give a fair comparison). There are four major sports leagues in the US (MLB, NHL, NBA, NFL) each with about 30 teams/stadiums each = 120 stadiums which can be classified as world class (not including the good college stadiums which are a few). The major european venues come from football which are about 40 of them plus the ones from other sports. US wins this category easily..

I am not so sure about that. If you talk about the best diversity of soccer specific stadiums (which some on here seem to think is all that matters) then I would say yes. But you also have to account for the absolutely huge facilities and sports programs that go along with the NCAA and American Universities. Not to mention all the arenas that Europe can't really compete with in terms of size and amenities. Even most major American metros have two or three large arenas with suites and such. Plus you have all the baseball parks (yes, it is a sport and counts) which many are absolutley top notch in terms of a sporting facilities anywhere, even some of the minor league parks are rather nice. The U.S. has bigger, more variety, and more types of faciltiies that can accomidate more types of sports well then anyone place in the world I would say.

Unless one wants to be completely soccer-centric, which some undoubtabley will because they think sports is football, in the evaluation I still think the U.S. comes up ahead.

China had 615,000 stadiums in 1995

source:http://tiyuren.com/news_detail.php?id=483&nowmenuid=111&cpath=0044:&catid=44

That's B.S. There are 30 teams in the NFL, 27 of them play in state of the art stadiums that can shame most stadiums in the Bundesliga. There are only 3 stadiums in Germany that can match up with the average NFL stadium. Allianz Arena, Olympic Stadium (Berlin), and Veltins Arena. The rest couldn't host division II football.

Stadiums in the UK are similar, the new Wembley, Emirates, and maybe Old Trafford would be comparable to NFL stadiums.

Half the NFL stadiums could host a world cup match right now, the other half would just need grass installed.

Don't get me started on the other 3 sports. There are about 100 big league state of the art stadiums in the US, and I'm not counting college.

You are just saying the big capacity stadiums in europe and just because most NFL stadiums are 60-100 000 capacity doesnt mean they are state of the art. The only reason you say they cannot host div II football is the capacity. European stadiums are much different than NFL stadiums. They are more appealing to the eye (especially in Germany) on the outside and inside. They are also usually built for soccer not american football. The best looking stadiums in the US imo are Quest Field, Reliant, and Soldier field.

Unless one wants to be completely soccer-centric, which some undoubtabley will because they think sports is football, in the evaluation I still think the U.S. comes up ahead.

In Europe we build stadiums for football. And for nothing else. So a discussion about stadiums is always football-centric. (soccer is a crappy word).

There are only 3 stadiums in Germany that can match up with the average NFL stadium. Allianz Arena, Olympic Stadium (Berlin), and Veltins Arena. The rest couldn't host division II football.

Couldnt host divison II football? Nobody wants to host such a stupid "sport".
How many people go to a NFL game? Minimum 50.000? Then we have in the bigger citys:
Allianz Arena (Munich) 69.901
Olympic Stadium (Berlin) 76.005
Veltins Arena (Gelsenkirchen) 61.482
Signal Iduna Park (Dortmund) 80.708
Olympic Stadium (Munich) 69.250
AOL Arena (Hamburg) 57.274
Commerzbank Arena (Frankfurt) 52.300
Rhein Energie Stadium (Cologne) 51.000
(Bundesliga capacity)

As an English man living in Australia, there's only one answer to this question... USA. The NFL alone has a better collection of stadiums than Germany or England (or Australia, or Spain, etc.). Add to that the number of baseball stadia, the MLS stadiums, Ice Hockey/Basketball arenas, College football stadiums (they could probably host a world cup with them alone), the Flushing Meadows (?) tennis, etc.

Personal tastes may differ (I only like football/soccer stadiums myself), but the number and size of them, makes it virtually impossible to argue with the USA on this point.

Australia...for sure !!!! Ok..other countries that have many more cities obviously would have more but each city in Australia has fantastic stadiums....Particularly Melbourne ! The question isn't who has the most....Australia's stadiums have individual comfort seating.....usually with cup holders. Most stadiums in the world today have large video screens/ scoreboard..restaurant/ food outlets..and all necessary facilities.

I'll give you Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane, but where is the 'fantastic' stadium in Hobart? Darwin? Canberra? I could ask where is the 'fantastic', rather than large, stadium in Perth and/or Adelaide as well.

Per capita, maybe Australia would compete.

England does not at all it has arsenals stadium, man cities stadium, man united stadium, chelseas stadium, and Aston villas stadium thats it. The rest of their stadiums are either cookey cutter stadiums or really ugley renovated crap like fulham and charlilton and Tottenham.

Newcastle, Sunderland?

Benjuk, OK I have to agree....was trying to keep country theme over individual city......Melbourne is blessed above just about anywhere but I'll leave it there as that's not what the question is....there are many world class stadiums across Australia generally.....I only saw a few stadiums in the USA and Europe and the ones I saw in USA had wooden bench seating for eg???

I only saw a few stadiums in the USA and Europe and the ones I saw in USA had wooden bench seating for eg???

I'm curious as to which ones you saw. College football stadiums usually have a mix of aluminum benches and seatbacks. You'll rarely find benched sections in professional stadiums unless they are purpose built sections of a stadium. Baseball stadiums general has a section of "cheap seats". In the NFL you'll have some traditional sections like the Dogg Pound in Cleveland or Lambeau Field. Don't see how that makes the stadium infrastructure of over 100 top tier pro stadiums, and countless college and semi pro stadiums any less of an incredible infrastructure.

"Couldnt host divison II football? Nobody wants to host such a stupid "sport".
How many people go to a NFL game? Minimum 50.000?"

The realistic bottom end on an NFL stadium is 60,000, however 70,000 is the going standard. The RCA Dome seats 55,000 or so, but come 2008 when it is replaced it will be 61,000 or so at soldier field. Fedex field is the high end at 92,00o or so, but it is under going a slight expansion to about 97,000. Many teams have 5 to 10 year waits for season tickets, according to ESPN the Green Bay Packers have 734 year wait as of right now! NFL Stadium standards also include about a 40' concourse per level, lots of restrooms and concessions on all levels, upwards of 80 suites (as high as 381), 5,000-10,000 club seats as well as extensive Facade work. Not to nock the Bundasliga, but interms of overall facilities the Allianz Arena and Veltins Arena are the only to that would make the NFL cut long term. The Olympiastadion has a track and lots of obstructed views in the second tier, which would never fly over here. Signal Iduna has some questionable sightlines in the corners, and seats 68,000, 80,000 is with the Sud-Tribune standing room only (as it should be) I like the idea of standing Terraces, but it wouldn't fly on this side of the pond. Fan Ameneties are not up to NFL standards, No doubt its a great stadium, one of the best atmospheres anywhere, but the NFL is all about $$$. I wish it weren't, but its as much of a business as it is a sport. Those stadiums are designed are built to the finest degree of fuctionality, and many cases aesthetics. However they are also designed to pull money out of your wallet, which they do like nothing else.

No contest :lock:

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Allianz Arena (Munich) 69.901
Olympic Stadium (Berlin) 76.005
Veltins Arena (Gelsenkirchen) 61.482
Signal Iduna Park (Dortmund) 80.708
Olympic Stadium (Munich) 69.250
AOL Arena (Hamburg) 57.274
Commerzbank Arena (Frankfurt) 52.300
Rhein Energie Stadium (Cologne) 51.000
(Bundesliga capacity)

Out of interest how many of them have standing areas? I know some are all seater.
I'd like to see how the EPL stadiums would stack up against German stadiums if they were allowed standing areas. It'd be an interesting comparrison.

I got to Cologne, Berlin, Stuttgart, Kaiserslauten and Nuremberg last year (and Offenbacher, but we'll not mention that), and I have to say I was well impressed. That said, if I were visiting England for a World Cup, and went to Old Trafford, Emirates, Wembley, Anfield and the Stadium of Light I'd be pretty impressed as well.

Another question re: Germany, we know the top stadiums are excellent, but what of the 'second tier' - the 30k seaters. England has a large number of sub-world cup venues dotted around from Hull to Reading to Bolton, etc. Some might say that the likes of Middlesbrough, Derby, Leicester, Southampton, etc., are all the same - but they are still pretty nice little venues.

Out of interest how many of them have standing areas? I know some are all seater.
I'd like to see how the EPL stadiums would stack up against German stadiums if they were allowed standing areas. It'd be an interesting comparrison.

I think only the Allianz Arena has no standing areas... Standing ares are the most important thing in a football stadium!! Real football fans stands ;). But ure right the seat-only capacity is always lower.


Another question re: Germany, we know the top stadiums are excellent, but what of the 'second tier' - the 30k seaters. England has a large number of sub-world cup venues dotted around from Hull to Reading to Bolton, etc. Some might say that the likes of Middlesbrough, Derby, Leicester, Southampton, etc., are all the same - but they are still pretty nice little venues.

There are a lot of new or new renovated stadiums from the last 5 years in the smaller citys. Like them:
Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion (Stuttgart) 57.000 (renovated)
Borussia-Park (Möchengladbach) 54.000 (new)
LTU Arena (Düsseldorf) 51.000 (new)
AWD Arena (Hanover) 49.000 (renovated)
Fritz-Walter-Stadion (Kaiserslautern) 49.000 (renovated)
Zentralstadion (Leipzig) 45.000 (new)
Frankenstadion (Nürnberg) 47.000 (renovated)
MSV-Arena (Duisburg) 31.000 (new)
Volkswagen-Arena (Wolfsburg) 30.000 (new)
Ostseestadion (Rostock) 30.000 (new)
and so on...

And there are many plans for other stadiums to renovate and make them bigger like in Leverkusen, Dresden or Hamburg St.Pauli (all 30.000 seats) or Bremen (50.000) or Augsburg (48.000). And there also a lot of other 30k stadiums, the most of them build and renovated in the 90s like Mannheim or Karlsruhe...
Im sure in terms of football stadiums we beat england (where i know the stadium infastructure). Germany has over 150 stadiums with more then 10.000 seats. England has only arround 80. But in terms of all stadiums, the USA wins.

England has a large number of sub-world cup venues dotted around from Hull to Reading to Bolton, etc. Some might say that the likes of Middlesbrough, Derby, Leicester, Southampton, etc., are all the same - but they are still pretty nice little venues.[/QUOTE]

The identikit stadium explosion in the UK has addressed a need for new cheap facilities for many clubs, but has robbed some aspects of the traditional match-going experience. They are neat and tidy solutions but little else, and surely that's the least you would expect of a new build. It would have been nice if designers had attempted to replicate the atmosphere of the old terraced sections within seated areas.... perhaps with shorter tread depths, and larger end stands to at least increase capacities and densities at the traditionally more vocal end stands. There are lots of other things that could have bridged the gap between now and yesteryear, and would have enhanced the match going experience in these new characterless breezeblock bowls.

Fedex field is the high end at 92,00o or so, but it is under going a slight expansion to about 97,000.

Cite?

England has a large number of sub-world cup venues dotted around from Hull to Reading to Bolton, etc. Some might say that the likes of Middlesbrough, Derby, Leicester, Southampton, etc., are all the same - but they are still pretty nice little venues.

The identikit stadium explosion in the UK has addressed a need for new cheap facilities for many clubs, but has robbed some aspects of the traditional match-going experience. They are neat and tidy solutions but little else, and surely that's the least you would expect of a new build. It would have been nice if designers had attempted to replicate the atmosphere of the old terraced sections within seated areas.... perhaps with shorter tread depths, and larger end stands to at least increase capacities and densities at the traditionally more vocal end stands. There are lots of other things that could have bridged the gap between now and yesteryear, and would have enhanced the match going experience in these new characterless breezeblock bowls.

this is very true, but these are better than the majority of other countries second tier stadiums

USA - and I'm English! I do however believe Wembley is now the best stadium in the world in terms of facilities, engineering technology etc - it is also the biggest even though it doesn't have the most seats (90,000) but every seat has as much space as the Royal box in the old stadium so you got looooadsa leg room -

Overall though - USA - eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzily!!!

I don't know why this thread is still going, i've said it once and i'll say it again; It can only be the USA

Cite?

According to Ellerbe Becket's Web site they are going to add 5,000 ne GA seats, and convert some of the suites to lodge/superpremium club seats and spiff things up a bit throughout. the renovation should be completed by the start of the 2009 season,
here is the website;
http://www.ellerbebecket.com/portfolio_template_259.html#specs

According to Ellerbe Becket's Web site they are going to add 5,000 ne GA seats, and convert some of the suites to lodge/superpremium club seats and spiff things up a bit throughout. the renovation should be completed by the start of the 2009 season,
here is the website;
http://www.ellerbebecket.com/portfolio_template_259.html#specs

From the looks of it, those renovations are the ones that have taken capacity to 91-92,000:

http://63.214.178.153/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=1676

Don't know why they mention 2009.

You are just saying the big capacity stadiums in europe and just because most NFL stadiums are 60-100 000 capacity doesnt mean they are state of the art. The only reason you say they cannot host div II football is the capacity. European stadiums are much different than NFL stadiums. They are more appealing to the eye (especially in Germany) on the outside and inside. They are also usually built for soccer not american football. The best looking stadiums in the US imo are Quest Field, Reliant, and Soldier field.

Most stadiums in the NFL (And NHL, MLB, NBA) are brand new and state of the art, and both football sports can be played in the same stadium, and "appealing to the eye" is a matter of taste, to my eye most European (especially British) stadiums are just boring rectangular stands, many of which have little symmetry.

In Europe we build stadiums for football. And for nothing else. So a discussion about stadiums is always football-centric. (soccer is a crappy word).


Couldnt host divison II football? Nobody wants to host such a stupid "sport".
How many people go to a NFL game? Minimum 50.000? Then we have in the bigger citys:
Allianz Arena (Munich) 69.901
Olympic Stadium (Berlin) 76.005
Veltins Arena (Gelsenkirchen) 61.482
Signal Iduna Park (Dortmund) 80.708
Olympic Stadium (Munich) 69.250
AOL Arena (Hamburg) 57.274
Commerzbank Arena (Frankfurt) 52.300
Rhein Energie Stadium (Cologne) 51.000
(Bundesliga capacity)

half of these stadiums are too small, and the other ones (with the exception of the ones I listed) do not have enough suites, etc...

"Couldnt host divison II football? Nobody wants to host such a stupid "sport".
How many people go to a NFL game? Minimum 50.000?"

The realistic bottom end on an NFL stadium is 60,000, however 70,000 is the going standard. The RCA Dome seats 55,000 or so, but come 2008 when it is replaced it will be 61,000 or so at soldier field. Fedex field is the high end at 92,00o or so, but it is under going a slight expansion to about 97,000. Many teams have 5 to 10 year waits for season tickets, according to ESPN the Green Bay Packers have 734 year wait as of right now! NFL Stadium standards also include about a 40' concourse per level, lots of restrooms and concessions on all levels, upwards of 80 suites (as high as 381), 5,000-10,000 club seats as well as extensive Facade work. Not to nock the Bundasliga, but interms of overall facilities the Allianz Arena and Veltins Arena are the only to that would make the NFL cut long term. The Olympiastadion has a track and lots of obstructed views in the second tier, which would never fly over here. Signal Iduna has some questionable sightlines in the corners, and seats 68,000, 80,000 is with the Sud-Tribune standing room only (as it should be) I like the idea of standing Terraces, but it wouldn't fly on this side of the pond. Fan Ameneties are not up to NFL standards, No doubt its a great stadium, one of the best atmospheres anywhere, but the NFL is all about $$$. I wish it weren't, but its as much of a business as it is a sport. Those stadiums are designed are built to the finest degree of fuctionality, and many cases aesthetics. However they are also designed to pull money out of your wallet, which they do like nothing else.


Great point about Olympiastadion, I absolutely love that stadium post renovation, it's beautiful. But You're right, it would never work in the NFL.

From the looks of it, those renovations are the ones that have taken capacity to 91-92,000:

http://63.214.178.153/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=1676

Don't know why they mention 2009.

Could be, that did look like a bit like it. I wouldn't be suprised if they are adding more seats at Fedex though, they seem to do better than just about anyone at the box, and mr. Snyder really likes money.

The USA has the best stadium, but the downside is that theyre preatty far away geographicly and not too accesible for the tourist, these two things make the USA not so much of a good cadidate for organizing major sporting events such as worldcups.

The USA has the best stadium, but the downside is that theyre preatty far away geographicly and not too accesible for the tourist, these two things make the USA not so much of a good cadidate for organizing major sporting events such as worldcups.

Totally untrue.

The USA has the best stadium, but the downside is that theyre preatty far away geographicly and not too accesible for the tourist, these two things make the USA not so much of a good cadidate for organizing major sporting events such as worldcups.

FIFA could easily choose a region of the US to have the World Cup. If they chose the traditional US Midwest alone or NE alone, they'd have a nice World Cup. They could award, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan and Illinois and have the most modern World Cup as far as stadiums go in the history of the World Cup. And if FIFA chose to spread it out, air travel in the US is cheap, and can easily be packaged cheaper.

I would agree on some being inaccessible by public transit. Some, not most. Most are actually in downtown areas if you think about it.

Its stupid to think that some regions in the USA could host the world cup alone. But who cares, there wont be a world cup again in the USA, 1994 was horrible.

usa. yeah right....:nuts: :nuts:

Its stupid to think that some regions in the USA could host the world cup alone. But who cares, there wont be a world cup again in the USA, 1994 was horrible.

Why? If you split up three ways you could have a cup in the west/central/east.

You may even be able to do a cup in four regions (West/Mid-west/East/Southeast) with only a few possiable upgrades in a few locations.

I actually remember the 1994 USA World Cup as being pretty decent. It was the Final itself that was crap.
I would say USA is pretty much head and shoulders above everywhere else in terms of stadia. American baseball stadiums look pretty amazing and the only equivalent of those over this side of the Atlantic would be cricket stadiums and they are teeny little things in comparison.
Having said that, I think the gap Between USA and EU has narrowed a bit over the past few years but Europe still has too many big pointless multipurpose athletics stadiums. If the likes of Athens and Istanbul Olympic stadiums were proper footy stadia the difference between Europe and USA would be narrower.

Its stupid to think that some regions in the USA could host the world cup alone. But who cares, there wont be a world cup again in the USA, 1994 was horrible.

If FIFA continues to have money loving executives, you'd be damn sure the U.S. will host the world cup again. The smallest venue would seat 60,000 or 65,000, 80+ suites at each venue, guys like Sepp Blatter have wet dreams about that sort of thing:nuts: . I also can't figure out why everyone keeps hating on the '94 cup, I was pretty young at the time, but really everyone seems to talk about it like it was a joke. If I may ask were you there for any games in '94 to back this arguement up? Yes the silverdome is about the worst place on earth to put a football game, but highest attendance ever has got count for something. Also the Venues that would host have improved exponentially since then, soldier field, or Lucas Oil would probably be the smallest.

Its stupid to think that some regions in the USA could host the world cup alone. But who cares, there wont be a world cup again in the USA, 1994 was horrible.

How was it horrible? It was great, and it has the greatest attendance of any world cup, and most of those stadiums have already been replaced, reinforcing the fact that the US has the greatest stadium infrastructure in the world.

I'm sure some US states could hold the Football World Cup on their own. I'd also like to bring your attention to the fact that LONDON could hold a world cup on its own.

Why is it stupid to think a region of the US alone could host a World Cup? Lets say the traditional confederate 'South' had its own bid using NFL only stadiums

JerryWorld
Reliant
Alamodome
Louisiana Superdome
Georgia Dome
Dolphins Stadium
Altel Stadium
Raymond James
Bank of America

No reason to believe that those without roofs wouldn't add them if FIFA required it. Could also do the traditional Midwest + a couple of other states, Also, you are always talking about possible upgrades for a world cup, so some of the college stadiums are possibilities as well. It could easily be done in one region of the US.

^^ What the hell is Jerryworld? And Alltel is known Jacksonville Municipal.

Guess a lot of people don't know what infrastructure means...

I think only the Allianz Arena has no standing areas...

Wrong. The often quoted 69.901 places include terracing. Would be 66.000 Seats.
The major German stadia without terracing are situated in Leverkusen, Düsseldorf, Leipzig and Berlin.

Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion (Stuttgart) 57.000 (renovated)
Borussia-Park (Möchengladbach) 54.000 (new)
(...)
and so on...

You really should stop comparing American all-seater capacities with that sort of figures. All your capacities include terracing, so they don't really tell us so much about the stadium's real size.

And there are many plans for other stadiums to renovate and make them bigger like in (...) Dresden or Hamburg St.Pauli (all 30.000 seats)

Wrong again. When finished (around the year 2015) St. Pauli might have about 27.000 places - including 12.000 standing places. What means around 21.000 seats if used as an all-seater. Dresden could offer around 27.000 seats.

And there also a lot of other 30k stadiums, the most of them build and renovated in the 90s like Mannheim or Karlsruhe...

Presenting Karlsruhe as a positive example ("renovated in the 90s") is a brilliant joke. Every year, for using this "modern" stadium the club has to ask for an exceptional permission. In fact, only one quarter of the stadium is modern. Two quarters are uncovered ends far from the pitch because of the athletic track, and the fourth quarter doesn't fulfil the demands of fire prevention. In England, a stadium like Karlsruhe could not host any football matches anymore since the Taylor Report in the early 90s.

Im sure in terms of football stadiums we beat england (where i know the stadium infastructure). Germany has over 150 stadiums with more then 10.000 seats.

Joking again? Or are you just missing the difference between "places" and "seats"?

But in terms of all stadiums, the USA wins.

Well, the last sentence seems to be the only correct one in your whole posting.


Greetings from Munich,

Urmel

But now to this thread's core:

There can be no discussion about the first place. Even if I think stadia without a roof are uncomplete, especially in cities like Chicago where rain is a usual weather phenomen, still there can be no doubt that the United States have the best infrastructure by far. That's nothing to be extremely proud of, its just a logical consequence of this country's size, but still: a fact is a fact.


Second is England, definitely ahead of Germany.

Yes, I am proud of "my" German stadium infrastructure, it is worlds ahead of the situation we had around 2000. And I'm happy that we came pretty close to England in this point. But I have to respect the fact that England still is ahead and will propably be for many many years, if not forever.

Only those who define "stadium infrastructure" as the sum of the 40.000+ venues can see Germany in front. Here, thanks to WC 2006, we overtook England. Wembley is undefeatable, but every Premier League Club excluding Manchester United would be happy to have the Allianz Arena. 17 of 20 Clubs (excluding ManU, Man City and Arsenal) would swap their actual ground against the stadia of Dortmund, Hamburg, Schalke, Düsseldorf or Frankfurt. And also the stadia of Kaiserslautern, Mönchengladbach, Cologne, Leipzig and Hannover with their 45.000 seats would be an obvious improvement for the majority of the Premier League clubs.

And although I personally don't like them, you have to list the huge stadia with athlitic tracks, wich you find in Berlin, Munich (Olympic), Stuttgart, Nürnberg and Bremen (wich already lost its track and is going to be transfered in a "real" football ground soon).


But behind these impressing first sixteen, we have a huge gap in germany. The next relevant stadium size is the roundabout-25.000-seat-category (with decent grounds in Wolfsburg, Rostock, Magdeburg, Bochum, Duisburg, Mannheim, Bielefeld and Leverkusen. Adding Freiburg (19.000 as an all-seater) means Germany today has a total of 25 good to excellent stadia.

That's more than Spain or France can offer, far more than Italy or any other european country, but that's not enough to match up with England, and that's nothing compared to the US.

^^ What the hell is Jerryworld? And Alltel is known Jacksonville Municipal.


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This is a ridiculous thread. Anyone who says anything other than the USA is either incredibly biased or a moron.

USA stadiums sucks!! they cant beat european stadiums like Portugal´s Euro 2004 or Germany 2006

USA stadiums sucks!! they cant beat european stadiums like Portugal´s Euro 2004 or Germany 2006

mmmmm k, if you say so.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. My Name is Mr. Wong.
Thats why i wrote Bundeliga capacity (with standing places). :goodnight

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The president of the Republic of Chile, Michelle Bachelet, received Dr. Nicolás Leoz and a reduced delegation from CONMEBOL and the Chilean Football Federation in a special audience,at La Moneda Palace, 15.40 this Tuesday, May 15. The President remembered her father, who was president of the now extinct club Aviación and she placed emphasis on her bond with football because of her father, who played as a goalkeeper, her son that also played under the three posts was and of her daughter, who is a fullback in the team of her university.
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Dr. Bachelet congratulated Dr. Leoz for his extensive work at the helm of CONMEBOL and pointed out that football is an inclusive sport. "The poeple of Chile love football, a sport that can be practiced any place without any type of restrictions.
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<b>A request to organize the 2011 Copa America</b>
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Later on, the president expressed that her country was interested in hosting the 2011 Copa America, that will coincide with the bicentennial celebration of the foundation of the Chilean Republic. "My government will cooperate with the football authorities of our country to organize the oldest tournament in South America. We consider that the sport generates many benefits and Chile has the necessary capacity to assume that responsibility" she indicated.
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She added that "Chile will organize the U-20 Women's Football World CPU in 2008 and also seeks to organize the U-17 World CPU as well". The interview lasted much more time than originaslly planned. In view of the President's interest in the topic in question.
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Dr. Nicolás Leoz was accompanied by the vice-president of CONMEBOL, Eugenio Figueredo, the president of the local federation, Harold Mayne-Nicholls, and directors Alfredo Asfura and Jorge Contador and the Director of Communications of CONMEBOL, Néstor Benítez.
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<span class="creditos">The CONMEBOL and the Chilean Football Federation delegations next to the head of government. Starting from the left: Néstor Benítez, Eugenio Figueredo, Michelle Bachelet, Nicolás Leoz, Harold Mayne-Nicholls, Jorge Contador and Alfredo Asfura.</span><br>
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<b>Press conference</b>
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Later on the president of the Confederation, moved to the headquarters of the Chilean Federation, where he offered a press conference and presided over the meeting of the Executive Committee of the football entity of the Andean country. In the occasion he said that the decision to grant the hosting of Copa America belongs to the presidents of the the 10 national associations, valuing the fact that the Cup comes to Venezuela this year, completing the cycle begun in 1987, which means that all of South America has hosted the old and famous Copa America.


The president of Chile, Michelle Bachelet, and Dr. Nicolás Leoz.

The president of the Republic of Chile, Michelle Bachelet, received Dr. Nicolás Leoz and a reduced delegation from CONMEBOL and the Chilean Football Federation in a special audience,at La Moneda Palace, 15.40 this Tuesday, May 15. The President remembered her father, who was president of the now extinct club Aviación and she placed emphasis on her bond with football because of her father, who played as a goalkeeper, her son that also played under the three posts was and of her daughter, who is a fullback in the team of her university.
Dr. Bachelet congratulated Dr. Leoz for his extensive work at the helm of CONMEBOL and pointed out that football is an inclusive sport. "The poeple of Chile love football, a sport that can be practiced any place without any type of restrictions.

A request to organize the 2011 Copa America

Later on, the president expressed that her country was interested in hosting the 2011 Copa America, that will coincide with the bicentennial celebration of the foundation of the Chilean Republic. "My government will cooperate with the football authorities of our country to organize the oldest tournament in South America. We consider that the sport generates many benefits and Chile has the necessary capacity to assume that responsibility" she indicated.

She added that "Chile will organize the U-20 Women's Football World CPU in 2008 and also seeks to organize the U-17 World CPU as well". The interview lasted much more time than originaslly planned. In view of the President's interest in the topic in question.

Dr. Nicolás Leoz was accompanied by the vice-president of CONMEBOL, Eugenio Figueredo, the president of the local federation, Harold Mayne-Nicholls, and directors Alfredo Asfura and Jorge Contador and the Director of Communications of CONMEBOL, Néstor Benítez.

Press conference

Later on the president of the Confederation, moved to the headquarters of the Chilean Federation, where he offered a press conference and presided over the meeting of the Executive Committee of the football entity of the Andean country. In the occasion he said that the decision to grant the hosting of Copa America belongs to the presidents of the the 10 national associations, valuing the fact that the Cup comes to Venezuela this year, completing the cycle begun in 1987, which means that all of South America has hosted the old and famous Copa America.

how are going the works?

how are going the works?

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BARQUISIMETO PICS FROM 1 MONTH AGO

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^^ No si no le podias buscar una mejor imagen para el de barquisimeto :bash:

Here are better pics from Barquisimeto´s Metropolitan Stadium (3 weeks ago)...

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muy bacanos los estadios que estan haciendo en venezuela,... felicitaciones!!!

thank u!!
im worried... it will be ready for the games? there is a plan B?

Cuando salen los grupos?

Group A

Venezuela
Uruguay
Peru
Bolivia

Group B

Brazil
Ecuador
Chile
Mexico

Group C

Argentina
Paraguay
Colombia
USA

Do you think it´s possible Santiago to host the first Winter Games in South Hemisphere?

This could be used:

Opening and Closing Ceremony

National Stadium - Santiago, Chile
Cap: 66,650
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Valle Nevado Ski Resort - 44km from Santiago

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Since 1988 and continueing today, this ski resort has been in a constant state of development to provide an unforgettable experience.

Inspired by the modern European resorts, Valle Nevado was built by a French company at the foot of the imposing El Plomo Peak. After its inauguration in 1988, it immediately became an absolute on all itineraries for tourists in Chile and South America.

Today, under the administration of a Chilean business group, it continues progressing towards the future ever seeking to satisfy the most demanding guests.

June - October 2007
Ski June, July, August, September and October 2007. Just 35 miles from Santiago's International airport, Valle Nevado ski resort is in the heart of the Andes offering more than twenty-three thousand acres of skiable terrain. Host to the World Cup of Snowboard again last year, packs all of the mountain, services and comforts you are accustomed to with high-speed detachable chairlift, a ski shop full of carving skis, top notch ski-pros that speak a dozen languages, helicopter skiing / riding, South America's only Super Half-Pipe, and access to three mountains back to back to back.

Skiing at Valle Nevado
With more than 23.000 acres of skiable domain Valle Nevado is the largest ski resort in the southern hemisphere. With scores of groomed slopes, heaps of fresh powder, a multitude of bumps and entire Andean meadows of off-piste, you'll find a world of skiing adventure to be explored in this ski resort.
SnowBoarding
Valle Nevado hosted the first event on the 2003/2004 Snowboard FIS World Cup circuit- the only southern hemisphere stop on the tour. Be prepared for world-calibre competition. With more than 9,000 acres of riding, more than thirty-five groomed trails and superb Andean meadows of off-piste terrain, this is the largest resort for riding in the summer months. It offers for the second season, the hemisphere's first Super Half-Pipe.
Heli - Ski
Try a unique Andean powder adventure that begins at our heli-port where a Bell 407 awaits to fly you to virgin snows and rarely seen spectacular Andean landscapes. For those who seek extreme emotion on skis and incredible powder, heli-skiing in the Andes is for you.
Snow School
Valle Nevado ski resort has a professional staff of almost fifty ski and snowboard pros from all over the world. They speak more than a dozen languages and offer safe, challenging skiing and snowboarding experiences for all levels-- as well as certified mountain guides to venture further from the groomed pistes of the resort and to local heli-skiing paradise.

Step by step you will discover your abilities and improve your skills in safe and fun surroundings, thanks to a team of more than 50 bilingual ski/snowboard instructors and Mountain guides from arround the world.

Ski Shop
A complete and modern stock of over 1,200 complete sets of ski and snowboard gear that is renewed yearly with the latest in skis and snowboards as well as specialized attire to please even the most demanding equipment requirements.

The Ski Shop's workshop is equiped with the latest technology for the maintenance and repair of equipment.

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Take full advantage of each day at Valle Nevado exploring this tremendous white mountain range encompassing 23 miles of slopes for all preferences and levels, for beginners, intermediates, advanced levels and experts.

We take utmost pride in the Andes Express Chairlift at Valle Nevado since it is the only high-speed detachable quad chairlift in Chile and one of the most modern chairlifts in the world. This lift is combined with a network of lifts that allows you full access to every corner of our marvelous, white wonderland

Skiable Area
Technical Data Length of average season 112 Days
Number of trails 34 trails
Lifts 11 (1 high-speed detachable quad chairlift, 3 chairlifts, 6 teleski, 1 telecord)
Vertical drop 2.657 feets
Tres Puntas Summit 12.038 feets (maximum elevation)
El Prado Base 9.381 feet (lowest elevation)
Average snow coverage 5,64 feet at base
Average annual snowfall 26,73 feet year 2000
Average clear skies 80% (112 days at base)
Runs with snowmaking coverage 6 runs
Inter-connection to other centers La Parva and El Colorado
Vertical drop for Heliski / Helisnowboard 8.200 feet
Elevation of Resort 9.922 feet m.a.s.l.
Snowboard runs Half Pipe and Border Cross
Helicopter available on site 407 Bell
Skiable Area of the Three Valleys DESCRIPTION VALLE NEVADO EL COLORADO LA PARVA TOTAL
Hectares of groomed runs 130 230 150 510
Hectars of skiable area 9.000 1.000 700 10.700
Total trails (kms) 37 38 38 113
Total lifts 11 18 14 43
Trails per Level of Difficulty Green trails (Beginner) 12%
Blue trails (Intermediate) 29%
Red trails (Advanced) 41%
Black trails (Expert) 18%

Lifts
Chairlifts Name Capacity Lenght Vertical Drop Pax/h
1 Andes Express Detachable Quad 5.478 ft 1.378 ft 2.100
2 El Mirador Quad 4.644 ft 1.063 ft 1.800
3 El Prado Triple 1.899 ft 476 ft 1.500
4 El Vaiven Double 951 ft 239 ft 1.200
Teleski (Pole type) Name Capacity Lenght Vertical Drop Pax/h
1 Tres Puntas Individual 5.459 ft 1.427 ft 800
2 Valle del Inca Individual 2.513 ft 830 ft 900
3 Las Ballicas Individual 2.952 ft 813 ft 800
4 La Escondida Individual 1.968 ft 525 ft 900
5 El Carrusel Individual 328 ft 56 ft 300
6 Bambi Individual 197 ft 13 ft 100
7 Telecord Individual 492 ft 85 ft 1.450


Arena Santiago
Cap 15.000

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ajjaa imposible!!!

thank u!!
im worried... it will be ready for the games? there is a plan B?

This Wednesday the committee will announce the situation of the stadiums, i guess Barquisimeto is the only place to be in risk.

some pictures of stgo's mountains.

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cool city, nice landscapes but we need infrastructure....

bye

I think it would be awesome.:cheers: Santiago would be a cool as hell city to see host. I just wonder if they feel that TV audiances are ready to watch a winter games when its a northern summer.

Umm no. Simply, having it there isn't a great idea. There is a high level of robbery and other crime, and the country is nowhere near wealthy enough to host it. Many people do not understand that the economy there is much like argentina. For those who don't know, for one AU dollar, you get 50 pesos.

Umm no. Simply, having it there isn't a great idea. There is a high level of robbery and other crime, and the country is nowhere near wealthy enough to host it. Many people do not understand that the economy there is much like argentina. For those who don't know, for one AU dollar, you get 50 pesos.

What a lame comment. There's robbery and crime in every city. Chile is the most open and developed economy in South America, it's had a steady economic growth for most of the past 2 decades and it's politically one of the most stable countries in latin america! And who cares how many pesos you get for your AU dollar, that doesn't say anything! ~

Go Santiago, show the world what the real Chile is like!

Umm no. Simply, having it there isn't a great idea. There is a high level of robbery and other crime, and the country is nowhere near wealthy enough to host it. Many people do not understand that the economy there is much like argentina. For those who don't know, for one AU dollar, you get 50 pesos.

Yeah, umm no. The Winter Olympics isn't as big of a deal as the World Cup yet South Africa, a country that is undoubtedly in worse shape than Chile, has been awarded the World Cup.

How many stadiums of what size do you need to host the Copa America?

Well it certainly is possible but I would not put forth the national stadium as part of a bid simply because of 1973.
Chile certainly has the mountains for downhill sking and a good economy to build infrastructure. The only problem I see is if the mountains in a southern summer would have enough snow for the downhill events. The games would have to be held during the southern hemisphere summer because the interest for watching the olympics with summer sports coming on stream in april, may, and june would kill Tv commerical value for the biggest player to the IOC American TV. Also your TV audience goes down in the summer in the northern hemisphere when a winter olympics would be held.

One arena that looks to be without ice making is not enough to host the winter games. You are looking at three arenas atleast that size and I cant see where santiago arena could fit an international sized ice hockey surface into the fllor space. The there is the bobsled and long track speed skating venues.
cross country skiing and ski jumping is another consideration.

Chile has the time zone advantage for great tv rights but all those infrastructure hills would be hard to climb.

i have been to Santiago myself and the airport is excellent. Cab driver tried to rip me off but hey that happens everywheres LOL. I was not in the metro but if it is like the airport then i am sure it is world class. Venice Italy I was dissappointed with the marco polo airport where as santiago's was far superior to venices.

Umm no. Simply, having it there isn't a great idea. There is a high level of robbery and other crime, and the country is nowhere near wealthy enough to host it. Many people do not understand that the economy there is much like argentina. For those who don't know, for one AU dollar, you get 50 pesos.

but !! high level of robbery and other crime!!¿?¿ economy like Argentina¿?¿? jajaj, visit Chile please, but if you don't, learn about the country a little bit and you'll realize you're completely wrong!

Thats why i wrote Bundeliga capacity (with standing places). :goodnightI didn't say you're wrong in that certain point. I just said it wouldn't tell us so much using the Bundesliga Capacities in a comparision like this.

Wrong you were in quite many other points, which I had to correct, because the impression you gave of the German stadium infrastructure just wasn't objective at all. You made it far better than it is by using wrong figures. This is a fact.

But now to this thread's core:

There can be no discussion about the first place. Even if I think stadia without a roof are uncomplete, especially in cities like Chicago where rain is a usual weather phenomen, still there can be no doubt that the United States have the best infrastructure by far. That's nothing to be extremely proud of, its just a logical consequence of this country's size, but still: a fact is a fact.


Second is England, definitely ahead of Germany.

Yes, I am proud of "my" German stadium infrastructure, it is worlds ahead of the situation we had around 2000. And I'm happy that we came pretty close to England in this point. But I have to respect the fact that England still is ahead and will propably be for many many years, if not forever.

Only those who define "stadium infrastructure" as the sum of the 40.000+ venues can see Germany in front. Here, thanks to WC 2006, we overtook England. Wembley is undefeatable, but every Premier League Club excluding Manchester United would be happy to have the Allianz Arena. 17 of 20 Clubs (excluding ManU, Man City and Arsenal) would swap their actual ground against the stadia of Dortmund, Hamburg, Schalke, Düsseldorf or Frankfurt. And also the stadia of Kaiserslautern, Mönchengladbach, Cologne, Leipzig and Hannover with their 45.000 seats would be an obvious improvement for the majority of the Premier League clubs.

And although I personally don't like them, you have to list the huge stadia with athlitic tracks, wich you find in Berlin, Munich (Olympic), Stuttgart, Nürnberg and Bremen (wich already lost its track and is going to be transfered in a "real" football ground soon).


But behind these impressing first sixteen, we have a huge gap in germany. The next relevant stadium size is the roundabout-25.000-seat-category (with decent grounds in Wolfsburg, Rostock, Magdeburg, Bochum, Duisburg, Mannheim, Bielefeld and Leverkusen. Adding Freiburg (19.000 as an all-seater) means Germany today has a total of 25 good to excellent stadia.

That's more than Spain or France can offer, far more than Italy or any other european country, but that's not enough to match up with England, and that's nothing compared to the US.

I agree with this.

First Place can Only go to USA(anyone saying otherwise.. well..errm..go see a doctor)

Second Place would go to England
I know Germany have got lots of new stadia for the world cup but as said above Most of their stadia are in the Bundesliga and after that it falls behind England. England has many many decent stadiums going from the Premiership all the way down to the lower leagues. Even Englands top four stadia; Wembley, Twickenham, Old Trafford, Emirates do give the German stadia a run for their money. Generally however England as a whole has the better stadia even considering Germany hosted the world cup just last year.

Third Germany
Hosting the world cup has helped them to get some amazing stadia(although i dont like the athletic tracks). But deffinately up there with the best in the world.

but !! high level of robbery and other crime!!¿?¿ economy like Argentina¿?¿? jajaj, visit Chile please, but if you don't, learn about the country a little bit and you'll realize you're completely wrong!

Agreed and as a Canadian I have visited Chile and dont see a big crime problem or lack of financial resources in the country.

It would be the desire and the organizing that could be the hinderance.

It is not to say Chile could not pull it off but the southern hemisphere winter being in the northern hemisphere summer is the biggest problem I can see.

If the games can be held in Chile during the December to end of January time period then it is possible and with maximum revenues for the main funder of the IOC NBC Tv. If it is held during the chilean winter then it is such a loss for TV revenues that the IOC would not even entertain it.

NBC TV currently pays about 500 million us for each olympics and they lose money on the deal . They make it up with being branded the olympic network and advertising for their other entertainment shows during the games. Chile could not be in a better time zone in the southern hemisphere for an olympics but it is all dependant on the which monthes the snow in the mountains allows downhill events.

What a lame comment. There's robbery and crime in every city. Chile is the most open and developed economy in South America, it's had a steady economic growth for most of the past 2 decades and it's politically one of the most stable countries in latin america! And who cares how many pesos you get for your AU dollar, that doesn't say anything! ~

Go Santiago, show the world what the real Chile is like!

Yes, that coment was really stupid.. for sure came from a country that is so selfish that dont understand anything about any other country besides then. Chile is one of the best countries to invest in Latin America, and the most stable one...

minimo 3 estadios de 40 mil o 50 mil
otros 3 de 30 mil a 40 mil
con eso se puede ahcer un buena copa.

im going to say US...YES cause i live here but they rise with a roll of thunder and flashy...however European staduims have unique flare to them...design and color...Latin stadium have soME of the best (imho) fans...never see and empty seat...so the WORLD has the best stadium...at HOME:lol: :lol: :lol:

djaburi offcourse...NOT....
United States Of America

^^ The guy was wrong, but he wouldn't be the first one to have a misconception about a country. Don't generalize about another country by the words of one or else that is little better.

why tha f*** do we keep inviting teams outside of the conmebol? mexico plays in the Libertadores and in the Sudamericana cup but qualifies to the world cup with the concacaf, that pisses me off, change federation damnit we struggle with the hardest qualifying round in the world to the world cup in the conmebol and they just dance their way to the world cup since concacaf is a joke, and then we teach them to play footbal in our cups, thats the only reason they play there to learn from the best.. i think it sucks

^^ The guy was wrong, but he wouldn't be the first one to have a misconception about a country. Don't generalize about another country by the words of one or else that is little better.

Sorry, but Im sick of people calling Latin American countries by the useless mean "third world country".. Most of the people think that Africa and Latin America is just about poor, crime, instability, violence... or Middle West is just islamism with no democracy... people need to open their eyes!!! Chile is one of the richest countries in all America and hurts when i read something so far from reality.

In response to all those who bashed me, i was there three weeks ago. I new shirt cost me 1200 pesos and I was pickpocketed two times. Please, i do understand what i am talking about

Please, get your facts right before insulting others

why tha f*** do we keep inviting teams outside of the conmebol? mexico plays in the Libertadores and in the Sudamericana cup but qualifies to the world cup with the concacaf

This is going on right now...

America from Mexico reached the quarterfinals in Copa Libertadores against brazilian Santos (first game 0-0 in Mexico City) but looks much more interested in the Mexican Championship Finals...

They came to Brazil with an all-substitutes 14 players squad.... Ridiculous!

Clubs from Argentina, Uruguay and Chile have to face long 9, 10 hours in a plane till Mexico... Just to play one stupid game...

why tha f*** do we keep inviting teams outside of the conmebol? mexico plays in the Libertadores and in the Sudamericana cup but qualifies to the world cup with the concacaf, that pisses me off, change federation damnit we struggle with the hardest qualifying round in the world to the world cup in the conmebol and they just dance their way to the world cup since concacaf is a joke, and then we teach them to play footbal in our cups, thats the only reason they play there to learn from the best.. i think it sucks

You're right.... Mexico learns how to play when has matches with the best team of South America: Uruguay.....

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

next CHINA is the BEST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

here, a proposal of a little city in the interior of Bahia for a multi-use complex for the 2014 WC, Itanagra has 7,200 inhabitants, and it will construct a stadium for 35.000 people and two hotels, Only the stadium will cost US$77.000
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^^ That's a fascinating design! I quite like it. :D

chile should do it, maybe it can be a stepping stone for hosting the WC at a later day

In response to all those who bashed me, i was there three weeks ago. I new shirt cost me 1200 pesos and I was pickpocketed two times. Please, i do understand what i am talking about

Please, get your facts right before insulting others


Uhh watch your wallet next time mate, you can get pickpocketed in every city on this planet. And Chile cant host an Olympics because your shirt was 1200 pesos, that makes sense :banana:

Go for it!!! should be fun watching speed skating in the summer!

In response to all those who bashed me, i was there three weeks ago. I new shirt cost me 1200 pesos and I was pickpocketed two times. Please, i do understand what i am talking about

Please, get your facts right before insulting others

:lol: Seriously dude.

You're basing your opinion about Chile not being able to hold Olympic winter games on the two facts that you payed 1200 pesos (24 AUD) for a shirt and were pickpocketed (and not robbed as you wrote earlier) twice???

You know...I've been to Australia and have seen shirts for less on sale there, also OZ has one of the highest car-theft rate in the world...I guess Australia is therefore unable to be the host nation of a major sports event...right??

Personally I think its about time that we finally shift away from the Europe/North America centric games. Afterall these continents make up only 16% of the world's population. So it's only fair if Asia, South America and Africa get more games. And the map 'tadeu' posted indicates that the ski runs are all located above 3000m, so they should be able to hold the games during the northern-hemisphere winter or only slightly off-season. Their economy is quite stable and 2018 is still 11 years away, so if the can keep their 4,2% annual growth Chile should have GDP PPP in 2018 of more than 20,000$. That's far more than South Korea had in 1988 and China will have in 2008.

Mexicans in soccer are "cagones" and will always be; they never won anything; eternal loosers

Mexicans in soccer are "cagones" and will always be; they never won anything; eternal loosers

I sense lots of jealousy. Mexico is just simply superior. No doubt about it. :lol:

It's Mexico's turn., Conmebol is afraid of the success that might happen here because they still view us as part time guests and not as full time members.

:lol: Seriously dude.

You're basing your opinion about Chile not being able to hold Olympic winter games on the two facts that you payed 1200 pesos (24 AUD) for a shirt and were pickpocketed (and not robbed as you wrote earlier) twice???

You know...I've been to Australia and have seen shirts for less on sale there, also OZ has one of the highest car-theft rate in the world...I guess Australia is therefore unable to be the host nation of a major sports event...right??

I'm not taking a dig at the country. AU $24 for a grey cotton tee-shirt. In australia you pay $5. Pickpocketed / robbed - no different.

Umm no. Simply, having it there isn't a great idea. There is a high level of robbery and other crime, and the country is nowhere near wealthy enough to host it. Many people do not understand that the economy there is much like argentina. For those who don't know, for one AU dollar, you get 50 pesos.

LOL!!! I get 110 yen (Japanese currency) for just 1 Mexican peso... Does this makes Mexico richer than Japan? I don't think so!!!!

In Canada:

Grey Cup

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Grand Pirx of Montreal

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Rogers Cup

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Bloody Eskimos winning all the time.

What i am trying to get at is there are many more suitable countries to host the Olympics. On the theory you have put forward, why can't Australia host it?

Do you think it´s possible Santiago to host the first Winter Games in South Hemisphere?

No, I don't think so... because it will be Grenoble ! ;)

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It's Mexico's turn., Conmebol is afraid of the success that might happen here because they still view us as part time guests and not as full time members.

Is it possible that CONMEBOL will always see you as guests because you are not part of CONMEBOL but CONCACAF???? DUUUUUUHHHHHH!!!!!!

The first rendering of the FC Bruges stadium project was revealed at the press conference today:

Visit this page and you will see it (use of right mouse button is impossible on this computer, so I can't paste the image url here):
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=13365057#post13365057

Architects: Jaspers & Eyers Partners
Capacity: approx. 40,000
Cost: 79,8 million euros
Opening: season 2011-2012

The project will be privately financed, next to the stadium a shopping mall will be built. Only 6 million euros is asked from the government (probably for road and rail works)

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Mexicans in soccer are "cagones" and will always be; they never won anything; eternal loosers

like Master Joda said..." FEAR, I SENSE IN YOU"...
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USA stadiums sucks!! they cant beat european stadiums like Portugal´s Euro 2004 or Germany 2006

Case in point.

Panama...:jk:

I will say USA

^^Correct. The thread is based on mere speculation. It's way too soon to know whether this merits a thread of its own.

Even then, this would be as good an opportunity there ever could be to replace that terrible legacy called Estadio Nacional. That is if they have the time necessary. Better to "exorcise the ghosts" and help to present the new Chile to the world.

Mexicans in soccer are "cagones" and will always be; they never won anything; eternal loosers

We won the Confederations Cup in 1999, beating Brazil 4-3. :)

It's Mexico's turn., Conmebol is afraid of the success that might happen here because they still view us as part time guests and not as full time members.

IMO it would easily be the best Copa America with the best stadiums, etc.

Well, until Brazil gets the WC.

like Master Joda said..." FEAR, I SENSE IN YOU"...
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LOL :lol:

KSS WINS HAIFA SPORTS COMPLEX CONTRACT
Fri, 28/09/2001


KSS Sports and Leisure Design Ltd, the London-based Sports Entertainment design group, have been selected by the Haifa Economic Corporation Ltd, to masterplan and design the new Haifa Sports Complex in Israel.

The complex will include a new 30,000 capacity football stadium and associated sports training facilities, together with hotel, retail, entertainment and commercial facilities.

KSS, working with Israeli architect Shlomo Gendler, was selected from a shortlist of practices that included NBBJ, Devine de Flon Yaegar, The Miller Partnership, Ellerbe Becket, Gert Anderson and HOK Sport.



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very nice design, especially the roof

2001?
How old is this project? Shouldn't it be complete by now? (6 years later).

lol ya I doubt the project will ever be finished especially in isreal with the rocky situation there and all.

I very much like the design, especially the steep roof.

I'm very scheptic with that glassy roof, it must get really hot on there in a sunny day, but on the whole it looks good.

Is it possible that CONMEBOL will always see you as guests because you are not part of CONMEBOL but CONCACAF???? DUUUUUUHHHHHH!!!!!!

WHAT'S THE CUP'S NAME??? MMMMM, COPA AMERICA., NOT COPA "SOUTH AMERICA" MY DEAR FRIEND., AND MEXICO HAS BEEN ACCEPTED AS A PERMANENT PARTICIPANT IN THE TOURNAMENT, IN GREAT PART BECAUSE OF THE MEXICAN SPONSORS THAT MAKE COPA AMERICA A PROFITABLE BUSINESS.

Mexico is in the Copa America just for the money it produces. Still they are not part of CONMEBOL who is the organizer of the tournament. So they have no vote in the decisions CONMEBOL makes. They may be permanent participants but still they will be guests.

Metropolitan Stadium of Merida. First to be openned for the cup with the game Venezuela - Honduras.

http://www.diariofrontera.com/imagethumb.php?s=./newman/gfx/news/primera.JPG&w=303

Photos from the event

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No, we're in it to win.

Nicer then the current stadium and also the one in Tel Aviv, will this host the national team?

final approval to build anew national stadium was declared two weeks ago,
by the mayor of Ramat Gan and the Israel soccer administration.also the founds were collected already.
the new stadium will held 60,000 seats at that suburb of Tel Aviv, complete by 2012.


more 4 stadiums are are planned(from left to right).. :

Haifa (30,000)
Petach Tikva (20,000)
Netania (24,000) - under construction now.
Beer Sheba (32,000)

http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/images/printed/P050506/n.0.0505.2.1.9.jpg

Uhh watch your wallet next time mate, you can get pickpocketed in every city on this planet. And Chile cant host an Olympics because your shirt was 1200 pesos, that makes sense :banana:

I was robbed in Montreal!! I live in Sao Paulo, a city know by it violence and i was never robbed!! but it happened in Montreal!! he is sure... in any city this can happened...

That means the winter games in Chile would have to be held like in July...but now that the summer and winter games are no longer held in the same year, this is more possible.

In response to all those who bashed me, i was there three weeks ago. I new shirt cost me 1200 pesos and I was pickpocketed two times. Please, i do understand what i am talking about

Please, get your facts right before insulting others

1.200 pesos for a shirt? it doesn't sound like Chile.

Chile may not be rich as other latin american countries but it's a very organized socialist society with an open economy and kind people. It is also after Costa Rica one of the safest country in LA. I'm sure that if they were given the chance, they could organize the winter games to remember.

1.200 pesos for a shirt? it doesn't sound like Chile.

Chile may not be rich as other latin american countries but it's a very organized socialist society with an open economy and kind people. It is also after Costa Rica one of the safest country in LA. I'm sure that if they were given the chance, they could organize the winter games to remember.

In response to your statement.

1. most Chilean people are very kind. The people i stayed with were very nice and treated me very well.

2. I am sure they could host an unforgettable Olympics, but one thing is of concern. Usually, the host nation gets entries into the events, as like other sports. What is Chiles record at the Winter Olympics? I know southern hemisphere nations rank very poorly usually. In the history of the Winter olympics, Australia has won 3 gold medals. One because everyone else fell over in the race, and two by Alisa Camplin. Someone help me on this. I have no idea

It seems like all of the smaller cities are getting the better stadiums! lol

I am a big supporter of winter games in Santiago. Give it some time, gain some strong experience. Bid in 2018 and then win in 2022.

Maybe good old Chavez has some extra funds available to complete all stadiums in time after closing down commercial TV stations in Venezuela :banana:

I saw a map of the venues, and it seems the south/east of the country is being neglected, why is that?

Argentina 2011. :D

I saw a map of the venues, and it seems the south/east of the country is being neglected, why is that?

Why should they build a stadium inside the Amazon Rain Forest?

hmmm, quite similar stadiums! (nothing wrong with that though)

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/6948/p5252829av7.jpg

http://www.stadionfuehrer.de/portugal_stadion_scfarense.jpg

Similar to Estádio do Algarve in Faro, Portugal

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/faro_algarve1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/faro_algarve2.jpg

^^ minus the running track

I think it will be a miracle if Barquisimeto is ready on time.

Why should they build a stadium inside the Amazon Rain Forest?

Well that answers my question. :)

Venezuela 2007
??????? 2009
Chile 2011
Brazil 2013 (COPA AMERICA) and Brazil 2014 for WC :)

It's Mexico's turn., Conmebol is afraid of the success that might happen here because they still view us as part time guests and not as full time members.

Well, actually Mexico will never be a full member in CONMEBOL,that's clear. But, as someone said, it will be a great bussiness to CONMEBOL if Mexico organizes the tournament.

Months ago, the president of the Mexican Federation of Football expressed the intention to make this event in Mexico.

So... still nobody knows which country will get the next Copa América.

Cheers!! :D

i dont like the idea of mexico hosting the copa america, it is a conmebol tournament and it should be played in countries that are members of the conmebol. mexico is just a guess with lots of money

i dont like the idea of mexico hosting the copa america, it is a conmebol tournament and it should be played in countries that are members of the conmebol. mexico is just a guess with lots of money

Thanks to money, Mexico is expected to organize the tournament :)

^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^

and that is also because 80% of the people in venezuela live in the coast line

Venezuela 2007
??????? 2009
Chile 2011
Brazil 2013 (COPA AMERICA) and Brazil 2014 for WC :)

next one is 2011 since it's every 4 years now

Why is the Venozolano football much worst than all other S-American countries.
I don't know any football star from VZ that plays in a good European league.
Even Paraguay en Equador have players in Europe though the countries are much smaller than VZ. Can anyone tell me

^^ That´s because in Venezuela the national "sport" is Baseball... we have a lot of Big Leaguers in the US...

Here is a little pic from Barquisimeto´s Metropolitan Stadium... it was taken a week ago...

You can see that the grass was transplanted a 2 or 3 days ago

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Primero tendria que mejorar sus estadios, ya que segun autoridades enviadas a evaluar los escenarios, estan en muy malas condiciones

next one is 2011 since it's every 4 years now

Oh...!! ask u, Not every 2 years ?? why changed...it??

is going to be ready in time?

im guessing they're working double-shifts over there

Oh...!! ask u, Not every 2 years ?? why changed...it??

i don't know why they changed it :(

it was fine the way it was

I hope this year a country that is not BRA or ARG wins the Copa América in Venezuela.

More from Barquisimeto´s Metropolitan

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I hope this year a country that is not BRA or ARG wins the Copa América in Venezuela.

Mexico.:)

Mexico.:)

Brazil or Argentina must win!! i think!!

how long to go?

how long to go?

less than 1 month

My pick is Colombia. :D

Well, we can't fault them for ambition. At the very least, they should be an example for others for how to aspire to a very high goal, even if from the looks of it they may fall a bit short.

i don't know why they changed it :(

it was fine the way it was

because there is not a prestigius tornament and there is lack of spaces in calendar to host it. Conmebol is trying to fit with the European calendar and like Euro is 4 to 4 years now.

Maturin´s Monumental Stadium (52000)

http://fotott.com/fotos/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=23&g2_serialNumber=2


Barquisimeto´s Metropolitan Stadium (40000)

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Maybe good old Chavez has some extra funds available to complete all stadiums in time after closing down commercial TV stations in Venezuela :banana:
Actually, he's the one that venezuelans have to thank for approving the funding for all this stadiums.
All that money could have been used for anything else.

BTW, it's better not to mix politics and sports


I saw a map of the venues, and it seems the south/east of the country is being neglected, why is that?

Here's a better answer for you,
this is how the population distribution in Venezuela

http://209.35.123.177/americas/small/venezuela_pop_1972.jpg

The Olympiastadion has a track and lots of obstructed views in the second tier, which would never fly over here.


The obstructed views in the upper tier are the result of restrictions.
The Olympic Stadium Berlin is part of the national Heritage of Germany, it was not allowed to built the roof above the marathon gate.
Are there stadiums in the USA, which have such an impressive history like the Olympic Stadium in Berlin?

England .. soccer stadium..
The world dont play "american football" ... we hate!
:P
but USA is rich and have good arenas

1st: USA
2nd: Germany
3rd: England

USA is ahead of Europe with big stadiums because strangely sport marketing has developed very slowly here.
In Germany there is still some sense that supporters feel their club is being sold out when they want to built a new arena.
america was a step earlier when it came to the development of stadiums.
What has also helped them is that they seem to calculate riskier than here.
Anyways, the lead will be closed by the EU soon.

Brilliant logo checker!

Shall we just forget about first place from now on? The thread should never have included the yanks......it's unfair!!

But I think to summarise, the general concensus seems to be Germany and England fighting it out to be best of the rest.
My(biased maybe)opinion is that in regards of quality in depth, England is probably way ahead, but in terms of top end quality it is level pegging.

If you take into account the fact that Germany has just recieved a huge boost from the world cup, I think England should be second.
The building boom in Britain which began in the late eighties and accelerated through the nineties shows no sign of letting up as we near the end of this decade. With Liverpool, Everton, Spurs, Chelsea all having big plans for the near future, I think our position as second will be consolidated.

Then there is a battle between the Aussies and Japanese.

Then the Spanish/portuguese

England has the 2 best stadium in the world..... Wembley and Old Trafford.

USA has the most stadiums in the world cuz of variety of sports....American Football,, Basketball, Baseball and ice hockey.

In overrall best stadium infastructure goes to the USA.

Here is a picture of some of the best sporting arenas/stadiums in Amerika!

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http://www.nbbj.com/images/main/staples1.jpg
http://www.ee.ucla.edu/~evalles/image/PicsArg2005/P2040043.JPG
^^ Stadium or Arena for Basketball .....Staples Center home of the LAKERS!!!!!!

http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/al/safecomain.jpg
http://www.mlb-teams.com/stadiums/pictures/seattle-mariners.jpg
http://lsj.cc/photos/2002/flight/Flight03.jpg
^^ Safeco Field for Basbeall .....Typical baseball stadiums

http://www.photohouston.com/houston-sports-stadiums/reliant-stadium-B13-07.jpg
http://millennium-ark.net/NEWS/06_Terror/06_Terror_Pics/061018.Houston.stadium.jpg
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/afc/reliant1501.jpg
^^ My home town stadium Reliant Stadium.....Typical american football stadium

http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/SeattleSeahawks/newaerial.jpg
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/nfc/seahawksstad800.jpg
http://eteamz.active.com/scjaafootball/images/Seahawk_stadium_small.jpg
^^ Qwest Field....Seattle..for American football / soccer

http://basketball.ballparks.com/NBA/NewYorkKnicks/aerial.jpg
http://www.johnnyroadtrip.com/cities/newyork/images/msg.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/141/335939041_1c324bfa1d.jpg
^^ The World's most famous arena Madison Square Garden home of the knicks (basketball).


Rest of the world underrate American stadiums cuz of the unpopularity of the game of soccer here in the states.....those are some of the few great stadium infrastructure that exist in the states...

The obstructed views in the upper tier are the result of restrictions.
The Olympic Stadium Berlin is part of the national Heritage of Germany, it was not allowed to built the roof above the marathon gate.
Are there stadiums in the USA, which have such an impressive history like the Olympic Stadium in Berlin?

I understand the restrictions and historical importance of the Olympiastadion, I was merely pointing out why its not up to NFL standards
As for history and tradition the Rose Bowl is regarded as holy ground. To many Fenway Park, Wrigley Field and Lambeau field are regarded in such ways. people have have had weddings there, and some (mostly illeagally) had their ashes scattered on the fields. In college sports numerous venues that have been around since the 1920s are revered. Just in The Big ten Conference you have Ohio stadium (1926), Michigan Stadium (1927), Camp Randall Stadium at Wisconsin (has undergone numerous renovations, the field has been there since 1916), also Williams Arena at Minnesota has been around Since 1928 and is largely unchanged since 1950. The L.A. Coliseum (1923) has hosted two Olympics, four NFL teams (yeah L.A. can't hold on to franchise to save their lives) in addition to the many storied USC teams. Harvard stadium remains unchanged since it opened in 1903! The Yale Bowl was packed to the brim with 72,000 on occasions as early as 1912. The Current bowl of the Olympiastadion wasn't finished until 1935 or 1936. I would hate to see the stadium done much differently, it looks great, the roof really looks good. But just like the L.A. coliseum or the Rose Bowl, or Ohio stadium, otherwise great sadiums that just woudn't meet NFL standards.

England .. soccer stadium..
The world dont play "american football" ... we hate!
:P
but USA is rich and have good arenas

A few years ago my family hosted a foreign exchange student from Germany who called American Football a disease. He and I went to the monday night game against the Giants, afterwards he said that it was more fun than most of the Bundasliga games he had been to. Once he really got a good grasp of the game he really liked. American Football is very complicated and doesn't exactly flow. But during each play there is more going on, more exitement than any other sport I know of. 22 players doing 22 different things simultaneously, and a single mistake is huge at the pro level. The level of group presicion is unparalled. Many Americans thinks soccer is boring; all they see is a bunch of back passing and the ball going back and forth. Thats because they don't understand the intricases, they don't realize how impressive the footwork, passing and especially the crosses can be. When I was a kid I didn't like watching either at all, but I loved to play both. Now I love to watch both as well. I'd bet that most of you who mock and hate it could atleast appreciate, if not truly like American Football if you had solid understanding of the game.

I understand the restrictions and historical importance of the Olympiastadion, I was merely pointing out why its not up to NFL standards


The Olympiastadion is more modern than a host of NFL stadiums though.
Remember that theyve spent 250 million Euros (thats around 300 million dollars-thats the average price in Europe for a proper stadium) on this thing.
For that kind of money you could have easily built yourself a Da Luz stadium for example.
Just a shame that they didnt do it.

A few years ago my family hosted a foreign exchange student from Germany who called American Football a disease. He and I went to the monday night game against the Giants, afterwards he said that it was more fun than most of the Bundasliga games he had been to.

Could turn that around though.
I met atleast two american foreign students here who thought football (soccer) was boring until theyve been to a Bundesliga game.
I personally know the american football rules as I watch it sometimes.
Its hard to come by as when its screened its being screened in the middle of the night.
For me football (soccer) is definitely more attractive though.
But I can also see why american football is so popular in the states.

http://basketball.ballparks.com/NBA/NewYorkKnicks/aerial.jpg
http://www.johnnyroadtrip.com/cities/newyork/images/msg.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/141/335939041_1c324bfa1d.jpg
^^ The World's most famous arena Madison Square Garden home of the knicks (basketball).


why's it called Madison Square Garden, when it is round?

I understand the restrictions and historical importance of the Olympiastadion, I was merely pointing out why its not up to NFL standards

Is it necessary for the Olympiastadion to be up to NFL Standards?
It hosted the World Cup Final last year, the most important and greatest sports event in the world !!! Do you want to compare a NFL-game to the great World Cup Final?

The L.A. Coliseum (1923) has hosted two Olympics, four NFL teams

L.A. Coliseum is o.k, but I've never heard of the other stadiums (sry)- except Rose Bowl (I remember the crappy World Cup Final 1994:-)

why's it called Madison Square Garden, when it is round?

the current madison square garden is the 4th one to have of existed the first two were located at the Northeast corner of Madison Square (Madison Ave. & 26th St.)