Mr. Rodman I seriously question your claim that Old Trafford is among the best stadiums in the world.

A few years ago my family hosted a foreign exchange student from Germany who called American Football a disease. He and I went to the monday night game against the Giants, afterwards he said that it was more fun than most of the Bundasliga games he had been to. Once he really got a good grasp of the game he really liked. American Football is very complicated and doesn't exactly flow. But during each play there is more going on, more exitement than any other sport I know of. 22 players doing 22 different things simultaneously, and a single mistake is huge at the pro level. The level of group presicion is unparalled. Many Americans thinks soccer is boring; all they see is a bunch of back passing and the ball going back and forth. Thats because they don't understand the intricases, they don't realize how impressive the footwork, passing and especially the crosses can be. When I was a kid I didn't like watching either at all, but I loved to play both. Now I love to watch both as well. I'd bet that most of you who mock and hate it could atleast appreciate, if not truly like American Football if you had solid understanding of the game.

Yes, you're right, American Football is complicated - the real Football is easy, they game is fast and fluent, the atmosphere in the stadiums is fantastic and explosive. (I love this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w69LYALivJ8), watch the faces of the guys from Costa Rica(at 0:22), they didn't see something like this before:-)
btw, do you celebrate touchdowns like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQByStr7DI0&mode=related&search=)?

Do you regularly make the stadiums nearly collapse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N10r3uuRaZk&mode=related&search=)... :D

The Olympiastadion is more modern than a host of NFL stadiums though.
Remember that theyve spent 250 million Euros (thats around 300 million dollars-thats the average price in Europe for a proper stadium) on this thing.
For that kind of money you could have easily built yourself a Da Luz stadium for example.
Just a shame that they didnt do it.

The going rate for an NFL stadium competed in the last couple of years is in the $400 million range. In terms of field proximity, concourses and ability to suck money out of your wallet it is well behind most NFL stadiums, for better or worse. And I never said anything about it not being modern enough, just the the track and obstructed views would make it unsuitable for NFL use. Not to mention lack of premium seating. Most teams aim for 10% of capacity or so in suites and club seats (the only plus side to this for the average fan is that it allows them to keep the general seats a little cheaper). To be honest for general viewing and atmospere as a spectator for football there are much better layouts in the Bundasliga (Dormund, Hamburg, Gelsenkirchen, Munich, Frankfurt ect). Its a great international athletics venue and above average Bundasliga stadium, but I stand by what I said and I won't call it a top teir stadium for Football/American Football stadium.

Do you regularly make the stadiums nearly collapse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N10r3uuRaZk&mode=related&search=)... :D

Nobody regularly makes stadiums nearly collapse. OCCASSIONALLY somewhere in Europe or South America it will happen. In the USA it hasn't really happened. College fans riot with some frequency, but just about every major American stadium is built of reinforced concrete and are usually over engineered. We have also never cantalivered a standing terrace, which I think is asking for trouble from an engineering standpoint. Also why on earth would you try to tear down the stadium?

Is it necessary for the Olympiastadion to be up to NFL Standards?
It hosted the World Cup Final last year, the most important and greatest sports event in the world !!! Do you want to compare a NFL-game to the great World Cup Final?



L.A. Coliseum is o.k, but I've never heard of the other stadiums (sry)- except Rose Bowl (I remember the crappy World Cup Final 1994:-)

If you had any understanding of American sports you would.
Fenway Park was opened in 1912, has a capacity of just under 38,000 and is home to the Boston Red Sox of the MLB. The main grandstand is unchanged since, they have added suites, club seats and a press box above, the original facade is also intact.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Fenway_Front.jpg

Wrigley Field is home to the Chicago Cubs of the MLB, it opened in 1914 and currently seats about 41,000. The main granstand is original, upper level and famous outfield bleacher and ivy walls were added 20s and 30s. the suite level was added later on.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9f/Wrigley_field_720.jpg

Lambeau Field is home to the Green Bay Packers and is probably the most famous stadium in the NFL. It opened in 1957 with 32,500 seats, it currently seats 71,500. Besides being host to the packers and there many championship teams, it hosted the famous Ice Bowl, the 1967 NFL chamionship game between the packers and cowboys. Air temperature was about -13 degres F (-25 C) with a windchill of about -48 degrees F (-44 C). Now thats playing in the elements, and it was a capacity crowd (about 50,000 at the time).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/27/Lambeau_Field_bowl.jpg

The Rose Bowl is the Most significant satdium in american collegiate football. It hosts the annual Rose Bowl Game as well as the Rose Bowl Parade. Its been there since 1922, most of the stadium is original, and more national championships have been decided there than anywhere else. As for it being a terrible stadium, the only knocks I can see are the shallow design and bench seating in the ends. The stands come right up to the field and it seats 92,000.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Uscvsucla2006.jpg

Michigan Stadium has been there since 1927, the Michigan wolverines have won far more national titles than anyone else, and its the highest capacity stadium in the United States at 107,501, athough crowds are typically over 111,000. They haven't seen crowed under 100,000 since 1975, and could probably fill another 20,000 seats for every game.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/TheBigHouse.jpg

Ohio Stadium is home to the Ohio State Buckeyes. It opened in 1922 as two tiered horseshoe (hence the nickname) designed by architect Howard Dwight Smith. The design was based on the coliseum with a rounded arched facede, and had a then enormous capacity of 66,000. In the Horseshoe end it has a rotunda featuring stained glass windows. The current capacity is 101,568 although it is frequently over capacity. It gets notoreously loud, especially against Michigan. This is my personal favorite stadium
The Horseshoe
http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/osu/graphics/wallpaper2/osu-stadium2-1024.jpg

Yes, you're right, American Football is complicated - the real Football is easy, they game is fast and fluent, the atmosphere in the stadiums is fantastic and explosive. (I love this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w69LYALivJ8), watch the faces of the guys from Costa Rica(at 0:22), they didn't see something like this before:-)
btw, do you celebrate touchdowns like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQByStr7DI0&mode=related&search=)?

Often with game winners, athough the color coordination isn't usually that good. One very important thing to understand about american football, and why you might not think the atmosphere is fantastic is that the crowd will be fairly quiet for the home team's offense. This is so they can concentrate on the upcoming play. The crowd will be as loud as they can when the visiting team is on offense to disrupt them. So when a good crowd is quiet that is almost always intentional.

1) USA
2) Germany
3) Britain
4) Australia

Could turn that around though.
I met atleast two american foreign students here who thought football (soccer) was boring until theyve been to a Bundesliga game.
I personally know the american football rules as I watch it sometimes.
Its hard to come by as when its screened its being screened in the middle of the night.
For me football (soccer) is definitely more attractive though.
But I can also see why american football is so popular in the states.

Absolutely, I thought I mentioned that in my post. Many Americans have very little understanding of the game of football. Alot more do than we get credit for though. More kids grow up play football here than any other sport. I did alot of my friends did. After the 94 world cup things really picked up and even more so after 2002. And when DC United blanked Celtic 4-0 that really started to get some respect from fans over here. One thing is Americans are generally used to more scoring and less flopping. Flops or dives happen some basketball, but never in American football, hockey or baseball and that really bugs alot of people over here. It has alot to compete with here, but Football is getting better and more popular here.

Michigan Stadium has been there since 1927, the Michigan wolverines have won far more national titles than anyone else, and its the highest capacity stadium in the United States at 107,501, athough crowds are typically over 111,000. They haven't seen crowed under 100,000 since 1975, and could probably fill another 20,000 seats for every game.
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Michigan has not won the most national championships. Notre Dame, Alabama, USC, and Oklahoma all have more. Given expansion plans at other places, I think the days of Michigan's having the largest stadium are numbered.

The largest crowd ever to see a football game in the country was at the original Soldier Field. 120,000+....for a high school game.

Benn, nice post, slight correction though, the Wolverines havent won far more championships than anyone, in fact USC and Notre Damn both have 11 NCAA Football Championships, more than Michigan.

MRichR, great minds think alike.

Nobody regularly makes stadiums nearly collapse. ... Also why on earth would you try to tear down the stadium?

You shouldn't take this too seriously. Have you watched the video at all? Then you should now what my point was

Mr. Rodman I seriously question your claim that Old Trafford is among the best stadiums in the world.

It is one of the best stadiums in the world and here is a living proof...

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c224/jmw-2003/ground_manunited.jpg

http://dailyheadlines.uark.edu/images/Eisenman_stadium.jpg
^^ University of Phoenix stadium ....Phx Arizona. Cap: 63 k

http://www.uncc.edu/admissions/tour/27.jpg
^^ Bank of America Stadium Charlotte NC....Cap: 73k

http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/ChicagoBears/newaerial.jpg
^^ Soldier field.... Chicago....Cap: 61k

http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/PhiladelphiaEagles/newaerial.jpg
^^ Lincoln Financial Field.....Philadelphia Cap: 68k

http://www.about-baseball.org/images/new_york-yankees.jpg
http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~karthik/pics/2002-08-2-NewYork/web/640-480/dsc00249.jpg

^^Yankee stadium, New York :Home of the NY Yankees

1) USA
2) Germany
3) Britain
4) Australia

Hmmm...if you were just counting England then i could possibly agree with that list.

But when you count the UK as a whole then Germany falls behind the UK.

Scotland
Murrayfield 68000
Hampden 52000
Celtic Park 61000
Ibrox 50000

Wales
Millenium Stadium 75000 with sliding roof.

Plus when you take into account all the grounds of English football clubs in the lower leagues , some of which are bigger/better than current Premiership clubs then,i dont think Germany can stay ahead in that list.

No doubt that the USA is first though.


1 USA
2 Germany
3 England

or

1 USA
2 United Kingdom
3 Germany

1.Germany
2.USA
3.UK

I have to agree that usa is steets ahead in stadium infrastructure.But only because of the size of the country.Lets take into account the size of countries then as that goes The Uk is tops i would think.sixty million brits to the two sixty million yanks and look at what the brits have for the population pretty impressive you'd say.But yeah no denying the fact we don't go on population sizes but a point i thought i'd make though. my top three then is

1.USA
2.UK
3.Germany

1.Germany
2.USA
3.UK

Nice to see you put some effort into that post.....

Plus when you take into account all the grounds of English football clubs in the lower leagues , some of which are bigger/better than current Premiership clubs then,i dont think Germany can stay ahead in that list.


Thats the same in Germany. A lot of clubs in the lower leagues have bigger stadiums than current Bundesliga clubs...




^^ Bank of America Stadium Charlotte NC....Cap: 73k


^^ Soldier field.... Chicago....Cap: 61k


^^ Lincoln Financial Field.....Philadelphia Cap: 68k

Stadiums without a roof...?!? :lol: We have 2007! ;)

Germany leads the way with far distance to England, USA and Spain. I just laugh about people who bring Italy in this conversation, old stadiums and around 0% safety.

Germany had always the best stadium infrastructure since we have the most football fans. And do you seriously think that the world championship last year didnt enlarge the gap between germany and other countries.

Most modern stadium is by far the Allianz Arena, a wonderful piece of architecture.

http://atuleirus.weblog.com.pt/arquivo/Allianz-arena1.jpg

Germany leads the way with far distance to England, USA and Spain. I just laugh about people who bring Italy in this conversation, old stadiums and around 0% safety.

Germany had always the best stadium infrastructure since we have the most football fans. And do you seriously think that the world championship last year didnt enlarge the gap between germany and other countries.

Most modern stadium is by far the Allianz Arena, a wonderful piece of architecture.

http://atuleirus.weblog.com.pt/arquivo/Allianz-arena1.jpg

Today Poland...tomorrow..ze world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......:bash:

It is one of the best stadiums in the world and here is a living proof...

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c224/jmw-2003/ground_manunited.jpg

An aerial picture doesn't prove anything, have you been to the stadium?

The lower tier was largely built over 15 years ago and facilties are out of date, while the concourse looks like the service tunnel of a power station.

There has been no long term planning at the stadium, which means the second tiers are all at different angles to one another, this has resulted in the mish mash quadrants you see with a large concrete wall dividing them.

Old Trafford is a decent stadium, but nothing more.

I have to agree that usa is steets ahead in stadium infrastructure.But only because of the size of the country.Lets take into account the size of countries then as that goes The Uk is tops i would think.sixty million brits to the two sixty million yanks and look at what the brits have for the population pretty impressive you'd say.But yeah no denying the fact we don't go on population sizes but a point i thought i'd make though. my top three then is

1.USA
2.UK
3.GermanyIf you'd make a ranking stadiums/population, you would definitely have to take Australia into consideration! They might even be first in such a ranking system...

Germany has about 10 good stadiums compare to 1000 plus stadiums in the u.s so overrall u.s has the best stadium and i am not only talking about soccer stadiums....cuz thats the main reason german folks put pictures of allianz arena.....show some other quality stadiums apart from soccer stadiums.

An aerial picture doesn't prove anything, have you been to the stadium?

The lower tier was largely built over 15 years ago and facilties are out of date, while the concourse looks like the service tunnel of a power station.

There has been no long term planning at the stadium, which means the second tiers are all at different angles to one another, this has resulted in the mish mash quadrants you see with a large concrete wall dividing them.

Old Trafford is a decent stadium, but nothing more.[/QUOTE]

What this guy says is the total truth I hate the man united stadium its so frikin ugly. The best way to describe it is like a jigsaw puzzle where none of the peices fit. Tear it down and build new one in the current parking lot of the current stadium.

What really lets the American stadiums down for infrastucture is distance and travel. They are all too far apart, don't have airports, tarin stations, rivers, etc nearby. However promotion of sports is second to none (Brilliant) but thats not really related to stadium infrastructure.

Europe has much better travel and within stadiums. England has all seater stadiums and experiences are so much better than Germany, but Spain & France are closely on par.

The UK with its stadium design, regulations and transport infrastructure is simply N#1!

Germany has about 10 good stadiums compare to 1000 plus stadiums in the u.s so overrall u.s has the best stadium and i am not only talking about soccer stadiums....cuz thats the main reason german folks put pictures of allianz arena.....show some other quality stadiums apart from soccer stadiums.

Ok, skyline.fan wrote some bull. But you too ;)
Germany has at least 15 modern 40000+ stadia plus an uncountable number of more or less modern stadiums with a capacity of 20-40k, many of them quite good. Ok, US has more and bigger ones but in a much bigger country... Btw, I hate this new stadium in Munich which still doesn't have a real name - big and architectural interessting but nothing more. Much overrated.


Europe has much better travel and within stadiums. England has all seater stadiums and experiences are so much better than Germany,

which experiences? Do you know that english fans want their terraces back? So all seater stadiums are more an argument against England than pro...

Hmm lets think. THe big boom in stadiums and arenas recently in the U.S. has been IN downtown areas, with public transport.
Take my hometown of Minneapolis (pop. 383,000, almost 3 million in twin cities metro area). The Metrodome (64,384) gets used for American Football and Baseball, and has been used for basketball Football and concerts. It is located on Light Rail and bus lines, with its own light rail station and is located a couple blocks from the Mississippi river. Its right in downtown with about 23,000 parking spaces within the downtown core. I would put that up with any European venue interms of infrastructure and it was built in 1982. The Target center (20,500 seats, 1990) wich is used be the Timberwolves of the NBA is in downtown Minneapolis, on bus lines, and light rail. There are three adjecent parking structures, is connected to the skyway system and located right next to the theater district, and near numerous restaraunts (hard rock cafe, steak houses, jazz clubs ect) and hotels. Oh and both Target Center and The Metrodome are directly connected to Minneapolis/St Paul International Airport by Light Rail. 30 minutes after you step off the plane from almost anywhere in the world you could be walking into the stadium. The University of Minnesota's sports facilities are set up with parking & bus access. Go accross the river to St. Paul and the Xcel Energy Center, which is one of the, if not the best arena in the NHl is located at the base of Cathedral hill along the Mississippi river in downtown. Nearby are its connected to the rivercenter which includes an auditorium, large exhititions space and is connected to the Ordway center for the performing arts. Its within walking distance of restaraunts, hotels, cultural attractions ect. In terms of British stadiums, which ones are so much better infrastucture or location any of those three?
Alot of NFL stadiums are in out of town locations becuase tailgating is BIG tradition, and that requires large parking lots. However most ballparks and arenas are in town, and usually in downtown location. Boston and Chicago had neighborhoods grow up around the ballparks intown which creates a very cool area. These are often located right on rivers or major waterfronts, like you seem to think never happens. College Football stadiums are usually on campus (often smaller cities and large towns) and tend to have a very cool collegiate feel.
My understanding is that the White Heart Lane can't be expanded because the traffic problem, hows that for infrastucture? I personally prefer most NFL stadiums of Premiership by and large.
These are just a few examples, and I would say that by and large England has very good infrastucture by any standards, just that the USA has better.
Do some research before you make generalizations like that.

Hm, can you top this?
Waldstadion Frankfurt (capacity 48500/52300):
- located in the city forest, but only 4 miles from city center
- own tram station (2 lines)
- own railway station (3 S-Bahn lines, several regional trains, and special trains for Eintracht-matches), travel time with S-Bahn: 8 minutes to the main station and 9 minutes to the airport
- capacity tram and S-Bahn: 18000 people/hr on match days
- 1 bus line
- own access to the Autobahn-like B43 leading to the Frankfurter Kreuz (Germany's most important freeway interchange is only 2miles away from the stadium)
- underground car park under the stadium (capacity 1800)
- parking garage next to the stadium (capacity ???)
- 3 large parking lots around the stadium
did i forget anything?
:cheers:

NYC has a number of sports facitlities that can be reached by mass transit within its own boroughs.

MSG
Subway: A, C, E, 1, 2, 3
Rail: LIRR (except Altantic Ave), NJ Transit, Amtrack

Shea Stadium
Subway: 7
Rail: LIRR (Pt Washington only)

Yankee Stadium
Subway: B, D, 4

Aqueduct Racetrack
Subway: A (Don't confuse with the other stop nearby that it stops at daily)

Keyspan Pk
Subway: D, F, N, Q

Richmond County Ballpark
Rail: SIR (Makes a special stop here on event days)

This arguement is pointless......who cares who has better stadiums ...they all fine stadiums in their own right.....But with that said lol.......USA has the best stadium overrall come on guys its not even close....due to its large size and economy....if U.S wants to build 10 allianz arena tommorow it can.....much of the NFL stadiums in the U.S are old but they still seat 60k + compare to europeans stadium. NFL teams now are building new stadiums....san diego chargers, indianapolis colts, dallas cowboys e.t.c
Thats right germany does have about 10 stadium that boost good infastructures.
Who cares how many miles you have to drive to the stadium....if your a true fan you will travel anywhere to see your team play.
Dont give me that crap how far is it from the airport blah blah blah.

Who cares how many miles you have to drive to the stadium....if your a true fan you will travel anywhere to see your team play.
Dont give me that crap how far is it from the airport blah blah blah.

That was not my point. Benn started with this and i just wanted to show an example from Europe. Though, i don't mind which country's stadium infrastructure is best. I'm only here to observe the discussion and add some comments ;)

Germany has about 10 good stadiums compare to 1000 plus stadiums in the u.s so overrall u.s has the best stadium and i am not only talking about soccer stadiums....cuz thats the main reason german folks put pictures of allianz arena.....show some other quality stadiums apart from soccer stadiums.

10 compare to 1000... of course :lol:

And as ive mentioned before in Europe we build stadiums for football and for nothing else. There isnt any other interesting sport. ;)


Europe has much better travel and within stadiums. England has all seater stadiums and experiences are so much better than Germany, but Spain & France are closely on par.

You dont know much about football. A true football fan loves to stand and dont want a seat. ;)

Stadiums without a roof...?!? :lol: We have 2007! ;)

That's because our football players and fans aren't afraid of the elements. In fact in many places its part of the experience. Football season means playing in cold, snow, rain or whatever mother nature brings. Same goes for baseball to an extent. Baseball equals summer, which means being outdoors (although playing in a heavy rain is improbable because a lot of the infield is dirt (which turns into mud)). Chicago would riot if a roof was put on Soldier Field or Wrigley Field.

That's because our football players and fans aren't afraid of the elements. In fact in many places its part of the experience. Football season means playing in cold, snow, rain or whatever mother nature brings. Same goes for baseball to an extent. Baseball equals summer, which means being outdoors (although playing in a heavy rain is improbable because a lot of the infield is dirt (which turns into mud)). Chicago would riot if a roof was put on Soldier Field or Wrigley Field.

Most NFL stadiums are actually pretty new.

There are plenty of roofed stadiums in the US. I'd bet the US has the most retractable roofs. I bet a lot of stadiums wouldn't even care so much about roofs if FIFA didn't say anything about them. Notice the amount of roofage added to Germany for the World Cup. Before FIFA started their suggestions run, England was probably the one place where you'd see a roof on everything. FIFA also banned the high altitude matches, lol. And just watch. Reading their language every soccer stadium in the world will eventually be a dome, lol. The US has been trying to get away from them, lol.

Chase Field
University of Phoenix
Tropicana Field
Georgia Dome
Lucas Oil Stadium(u/c)
Louisiana Superdome
Ford Field
Pontiac Silverdome(it still exists)
HHH Metrodome
Carrier Dome
Alamodome
Astrodome
JerryWorld(u/c)
Minute Maid Field
Reliant Stadium
Qwest Field
Safeco Field
Miller Park

These aren't the only roofed stadiums, but they are the larger ones. So................

Most NFL stadiums are actually pretty new.

There are plenty of roofed stadiums in the US. I'd bet the US has the most retractable roofs. I bet a lot of stadiums wouldn't even care so much about roofs if FIFA didn't say anything about them. Notice the amount of roofage added to Germany for the World Cup. Before FIFA started their suggestions run, England was probably the one place where you'd see a roof on everything. FIFA also banned the high altitude matches, lol. And just watch. Reading their language every soccer stadium in the world will eventually be a dome, lol. The US has been trying to get away from them, lol.

Chase Field
University of Phoenix
Tropicana Field
Georgia Dome
Lucas Oil Stadium(u/c)
Louisiana Superdome
Ford Field
Pontiac Silverdome(it still exists)
HHH Metrodome
Carrier Dome
Alamodome
Astrodome
JerryWorld(u/c)
Minute Maid Field
Reliant Stadium
Qwest Field
Safeco Field
Miller Park

These aren't the only roofed stadiums, but they are the larger ones. So................

Qwest field isn't a dome, and Tropicana field should be torn down it's so bad. Dallas won't be closed when the Cowboys play, it'll be open similar to what the current Cowboys stadium is like. The Silverdome and Astrodome aren't used for any major sports anymore, and the Metrodome is soon to meet the same fate. I'm not even sure why the Alamodome was built. There isn't an NFL team in San Antonio, and no team is moving there anytime soon. The retractable roofs on the new baseball parks just don't look right at all. Minute Maid and Safeco would look ten times better without their respective roofs.

Football and baseball were just meant to be played outdoors on real grass IMHO.

Most NFL stadiums are actually pretty new.

There are plenty of roofed stadiums in the US. I'd bet the US has the most retractable roofs. I bet a lot of stadiums wouldn't even care so much about roofs if FIFA didn't say anything about them. Notice the amount of roofage added to Germany for the World Cup. Before FIFA started their suggestions run, England was probably the one place where you'd see a roof on everything. FIFA also banned the high altitude matches, lol. And just watch. Reading their language every soccer stadium in the world will eventually be a dome, lol. The US has been trying to get away from them, lol.

Chase Field
University of Phoenix
Tropicana Field
Georgia Dome
Lucas Oil Stadium(u/c)
Louisiana Superdome
Ford Field
Pontiac Silverdome(it still exists)
HHH Metrodome
Carrier Dome
Alamodome
Astrodome
JerryWorld(u/c)
Minute Maid Field
Reliant Stadium
Qwest Field
Safeco Field
Miller Park

These aren't the only roofed stadiums, but they are the larger ones. So................

Yea Qwest field doesnt have a roof.

Here are some more

Edward Jones Dome St louis
Miller Park Milwaukee
RCA Dome Indianapolis

California alone would give any other country a run for its money, add in the rest of the states and its not even close.

Yea Qwest field doesnt have a roof.

Here are some more

Edward Jones Dome St louis
Miller Park Milwaukee
RCA Dome Indianapolis

I believe Miller park is Chase Field. The RCA Dome, like the Metrodome, will soon go the way of the Astrodome and Silverdome.

Qwest field isn't a dome, and Tropicana field should be torn down it's so bad. Dallas won't be closed when the Cowboys play, it'll be open similar to what the current Cowboys stadium is like. The Silverdome and Astrodome aren't used for any major sports anymore, and the Metrodome is soon to meet the same fate. I'm not even sure why the Alamodome was built. There isn't an NFL team in San Antonio, and no team is moving there anytime soon. The retractable roofs on the new baseball parks just don't look right at all. Minute Maid and Safeco would look ten times better without their respective roofs.

Football and baseball were just meant to be played outdoors on real grass IMHO.

- Qwest Field has a roof if you're going by the European definition of a roof, not dome. If Cleveland, Miami and Washington add roofs as they've said, they just add to the list.

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/nfc/seahawksstad800.jpg

- Don't know what you mean about the Cowboys roof being open while they play. There's no indication they wouldn't close it when the weather is bad. That hasn't been said.

- The Alamodome and Pontiac Silverdome don't have to be current NFL facilities to be a part of the stadium infrastructure of the United States. They're still used for all kinds of events and are fine facilities that would be coveted anywhere in the world.

- Until the metrodome is torn down, its still a large roofed stadium in the US hosting events.

- The Alamodome was built to lure an NFL team just as the Edward Jones dome was.

I'm not some fan of roofs and think they are unnecessary most of the time. I was merely creating a list showing that there are major roofed stadiums in the US, since the unroofed stadiums in the US are always pointed out.

Chase Field
University of Phoenix
Tropicana Field
Georgia Dome
Lucas Oil Stadium(u/c)
Louisiana Superdome
Ford Field
Pontiac Silverdome(it still exists)
HHH Metrodome
Carrier Dome
Alamodome
Astrodome
JerryWorld(u/c)
Minute Maid Field
Reliant Stadium
Qwest Field
Safeco Field
Miller Park
RCA Dome
Edward Jones Dome
Texas Stadium

I believe Miller park is Chase Field. The RCA Dome, like the Metrodome, will soon go the way of the Astrodome and Silverdome.

- Chase Field used to be Bank One Ballpark in Phoenix. Miller Park is in Milwaukee.

- The RCA dome still has a season of football, basketball and events left. I'm not sure if it will be torn down or not, but its still there.

- The Astrodome and Silverdome are still standing and hosting events.

- Minneapolis is building a baseball stadium. While there have been many concepts for a new football stadium, there is nothing final and definite. Until its demolished its on the list.

That's because our football players and fans aren't afraid of the elements. In fact in many places its part of the experience. Football season means playing in cold, snow, rain or whatever mother nature brings. Same goes for baseball to an extent. Baseball equals summer, which means being outdoors (although playing in a heavy rain is improbable because a lot of the infield is dirt (which turns into mud)). Chicago would riot if a roof was put on Soldier Field or Wrigley Field.

Wrigley Field doesn't have a roof? If you are in the upper deck there is 80% chance you will be in shade and I would gather about 50% of the seats in Wrigley are in shade.

Chase Field
University of Phoenix
Tropicana Field
Georgia Dome
Lucas Oil Stadium(u/c)
Louisiana Superdome
Ford Field
Pontiac Silverdome(it still exists)
HHH Metrodome
Carrier Dome
Alamodome
Astrodome
JerryWorld(u/c)
Minute Maid Field
Reliant Stadium
Qwest Field
Safeco Field
Miller Park
RCA Dome
Edward Jones Dome
Texas Stadium
Wrigley Field

USA has the best stadium overrall come on guys its not even close....due to its large size and economy....if U.S wants to build 10 allianz arena tommorow it can......

Dont think it has a lot to do with the economy.
in that case Japan should rank second as it has the second biggest economy and Germany should rank 3rd since it has the third biggest economy.
Its more a mentality thing.
The richest cities come up with crap stadiums. Stuttgart or Vienna are cities that are richer than most of whats there in Europe or the US.
But guess what? They dont think that they should built themselves a proper stadium.
No, they are happy in their old AL-arenas.
Both cities could easily built themselves a Reliant stadium tomorrow if it would be financed here by taxpayers money aswell as it happens in the US.

California alone would give any other country a run for its money, add in the rest of the states and its not even close.


London alone could give most other countries a run for their money

Hey if you are going to compare countries then make sure the populations are within reason. Of course the US (300mil) is going to have more stadiums than Germany (80mil).

A better comparison is the US vs Western Europe. That should even things out a bit.

Very true. The USA is obviously going to have the best stadium infrastructure. Similarly sized jurisdictions would be a more interesting comparison to guage investment in sports infrastructure from region to region.

I would be surprised if level of investment wasn't fairly similar all over the western world. Discrepanicies would start to emerge when analyzing less prosperous regions of the world.

I'm pretty sure we've done EU vs US to death. There were good arguments as usual, but just hard to compare since there's no European equivalent to college football nor the arenas to compete with the NBA. No baseball parks either. I don't think the level of investment would be the same per population either, with the exception of London.

Germany maybe?? Soon maybe China.. :)

With Australia having a relatively small population, and this post is not about quantity, our stadium infrastructure is as good as anything on the planet......The Mighty MCG for example, seating 100,000 in comfort on Melbourne's CBD doorstep. Here it is setup for Australian Rules Football....It holds Cricket in the Summer...and held an Olympic and Commonwealth Games. http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5875/538422646c528062e62bmedqh5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Australia sucks when it comes to stadium...blah

Dont think it has a lot to do with the economy.
in that case Japan should rank second as it has the second biggest economy and Germany should rank 3rd since it has the third biggest economy.
Its more a mentality thing.
The richest cities come up with crap stadiums. Stuttgart or Vienna are cities that are richer than most of whats there in Europe or the US.
But guess what? They dont think that they should built themselves a proper stadium.
No, they are happy in their old AL-arenas.
Both cities could easily built themselves a Reliant stadium tomorrow if it would be financed here by taxpayers money aswell as it happens in the US.

Typical Germans....they never accept somebody else is better than them.

portugal has good stadiums...

the 3 biggest

LUZ (BENFICA)

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t106/tugavalenciano/Luz.jpg

DRAGÃO ( FCPORTO)

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t106/tugavalenciano/estadiodragao.jpg

ALVALADE XXI(SPORTING)

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t106/tugavalenciano/AlvaladeXXI.jpg

Typical Germans....they never accept somebody else is better than them.

Sure, thats why I posted this 3 days ago :nuts:

1st: USA
2nd: Germany
3rd: England

USA is ahead of Europe with big stadiums because strangely sport marketing has developed very slowly here.
In Germany there is still some sense that supporters feel their club is being sold out when they want to built a new arena.
america was a step earlier when it came to the development of stadiums.
What has also helped them is that they seem to calculate riskier than here.
Anyways, the lead will be closed by the EU soon.

portugal has good stadiums...

Absolutely, and it also shows that a country with a smaller economy can have much better stadiums than a country with a bigger economy.

Very difficult to compare between Europe and USA really. How do you compare US Baseball stadia with whats in Europe? No can do. Again how do you compare the hundreds of 20 to 50k capacity footy stadiums in Europe with stadia in the US? Also athletic stadia, can a comparison made there? Not really. Different cultures, different sports requiring different types of stadium.
One thing that constantly is raised as subject matter is a roof. Rooves help keep out the elements and also importantly for football fans they keep the atmosphere in. It can do wonders for a stadium of 30 to 60k, that has noisy fans in it. The noise created in the vid below would be terrific no matter what stadium it was in but still it would not be quite so spine tingling without the roof keeping the noise in.So rooves not only help intensify the experience in the stands but also can influence what goes on, on the pitch.

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Very difficult to compare between Europe and USA really. How do you compare US Baseball stadia with whats in Europe? No can do. Again how do you compare the hundreds of 20 to 50k capacity footy stadiums in Europe with stadia in the US? Also athletic stadia, can a comparison made there? Not really. Different cultures, different sports requiring different types of stadium.
One thing that constantly is raised as subject matter is a roof. Rooves help keep out the elements and also importantly for football fans they keep the atmosphere in. It can do wonders for a stadium of 30 to 60k, that has noisy fans in it. The noise created in the vid below would be terrific no matter what stadium it was in but still it would not be quite so spine tingling without the roof keeping the noise in.So rooves not only help intensify the experience in the stands but also can influence what goes on, on the pitch.

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Just depends on the design of the stadium. Michigan stadium does not hold noise at all, but Tiger Stadium (aka "Death Valley") has no roof and is considered by many the loudest stadium in the U.S. The crowd noise is so loud at some games, it's been known to register on a seismograph as a small earthquake.

http://www.lsu.edu/campus/images-picts/TIGS.jpg

Solider field also gets quite loud in its new configuration.

Just depends on the design of the stadium. Michigan stadium does not hold noise at all, but Tiger Stadium (aka "Death Valley") has no roof and is considered by many the loudest stadium in the U.S. The crowd noise is so loud at some games, it's been known to register on a seismograph as a small earthquake.

http://www.lsu.edu/campus/images-picts/TIGS.jpg

Solider field also gets quite loud in its new configuration.

The stadium you show in that pic is massive, very tightly packed (if it has benches) and very steep stands. All those things also help accentuate the noise the fans make. My point is simply that weather is not the only reason for a roof.

Back on topic.


Infrastructure, which is network of quality stadiums. I would counter the hundreds of 20-50K stadiums with hundreds of 30-100,000K college football stadiums and maybe even thousands of baseball stadiums and college athletics stadiums. That's why I mention baseball.

I'd also be interested in how many major sporting venues more normal cities have in Europe. LA, London and New York metro are probably abnormal in this sense as they have a ton each. But lets say somewhere like Dallas. You'd have a major league baseball park in the 49,000 seat range, 3-4 major college football stadiums in the 35,000 - 92,000 seat range(Cotton Bowl renovation to 92,000), 1 pro football venue in the 70,000-80,000 range, two pro arenas in the 20,000 seat range, 4 major college basketball arenas in the 7,000 - 10,000 seat range and 2-3 minor league baseball parks in the 5-10,000 seat range. This doesn't count the network on nice high school stadiums. That's what I'd be more curious about.

"Very difficult to compare between Europe and USA really."

so true, just like apples and oranges ;)

Back on topic.


Infrastructure, which is network of quality stadiums. I would counter the hundreds of 20-50K stadiums with hundreds of 30-100,000K college football stadiums and maybe even thousands of baseball stadiums and college athletics stadiums. That's why I mention baseball.

I'd also be interested in how many major sporting venues more normal cities have in Europe. LA, London and New York metro are probably abnormal in this sense as they have a ton each. But lets say somewhere like Dallas. You'd have a major league baseball park in the 49,000 seat range, 3-4 major college football stadiums in the 35,000 - 92,000 seat range(Cotton Bowl renovation to 92,000), 1 pro football venue in the 70,000-80,000 range, two pro arenas in the 20,000 seat range, 4 major college basketball arenas in the 7,000 - 10,000 seat range and 2-3 minor league baseball parks in the 5-10,000 seat range. This doesn't count the network on nice high school stadiums. That's what I'd be more curious about.

Is there a firm plan to enlarge the cotton bowl? I had heard speculation but nothing firm and no plans/schematics. And I definately agree with the number of major venues comparison. Most major cities will have a couple of major stadiums and a couple of major arenas. My experience in Europe was one major stadium and a mid size arena was typical.

Is there a firm plan to enlarge the cotton bowl? I had heard speculation but nothing firm and no plans/schematics. And I definately agree with the number of major venues comparison. Most major cities will have a couple of major stadiums and a couple of major arenas. My experience in Europe was one major stadium and a mid size arena was typical.

The Cotton Bowl is expansion is well underway and funded.

With Australia having a relatively small population, and this post is not about quantity, our stadium infrastructure is as good as anything on the planet......The Mighty MCG for example, seating 100,000 in comfort on Melbourne's CBD doorstep. Here it is setup for Australian Rules Football....It holds Cricket in the Summer...and held an Olympic and Commonwealth Games. http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5875/538422646c528062e62bmedqh5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That's a really good photo of the 'G, the world's greatest stadium.

Often with game winners, athough the color coordination isn't usually that good. One very important thing to understand about american football, and why you might not think the atmosphere is fantastic is that the crowd will be fairly quiet for the home team's offense. This is so they can concentrate on the upcoming play. The crowd will be as loud as they can when the visiting team is on offense to disrupt them. So when a good crowd is quiet that is almost always intentional.

There is a good example of this. Two college teams, Clemson and Miami played a game at Clemson a couple of years ago. For the non-gridiron fans, Miami had three attempts to move the ball ten yards to effectively end the game. They were ahead by 3, and Clemson could have tied the game with a Field Goal or won with a touchdown (think rugby try).

The crowd effectively acts as an extra defender. In a game with so much precision, if you can't hear a snap count or play call, you can't start a play well or run it.

This video shows the sound in the closed broadcast booth vs. what the players hear on the field in the same sequence. On third down at the 3:00 mark, the crowd hit 126 decibels. A Boeing 747 taking off over the stadium would be 120. Miami couldn't hear anything and the entire sequence was chaos.

The video has been muted somewhat (it is difficult to hear the announcers), but when they switch to field level, the video is really loud. I wouldn't play this at work.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-482408443085380597

Not sure how Germany's stadiums are better the the UK's? Lower league level German football stadia are not a patch on the Coca Cola, league 1 & 2. The bigger stadiums in the Bundesliga have inflated capacity due to terraces. Our Arena's are comparable, we have 3 enormous rugby stadiums which need to be taken into account aswell. If we take Wembley, Twickenham, Old Trafford, Millenium, Murrayfield, Celtic Park, Emirates, St James's, Hampden, Ibrox, the 10 biggest UK all seated and compare to Germany 10 biggest all seated layout UK comes out tops. Keep going with the next 10 and the result is the same

Not sure how Germany's stadiums are better the the UK's? Lower league level German football stadia are not a patch on the Coca Cola, league 1 & 2. The bigger stadiums in the Bundesliga have inflated capacity due to terraces. Our Arena's are comparable, we have 3 enormous rugby stadiums which need to be taken into account aswell. If we take Wembley, Twickenham, Old Trafford, Millenium, Murrayfield, Celtic Park, Emirates, St James's, Hampden, Ibrox, the 10 biggest UK all seated and compare to Germany 10 biggest all seated layout UK comes out tops. Keep going with the next 10 and the result is the same

Germany's top 10 (intl. capacity)

1. Olympiastadion Berlin 75.000*
2. Allianz Arena 69.000*
3. Olympiastadion Munich 63.000
4. Westfalenstadion 65.000*
5. Veltins Arena 54.000*
6. Daimler-Stadium 54.000*
7. AOL-Arena Hamburg 51.000*
8. LTU-Arena 51.000
9. Waldstadion Frankfurt 48.000*
10. Fritz-Walter-Stadion 48.000*

(*World Cup stadiums)
They are all high-quality stadiums with first-class facilities and infrastructure.
You're right, they are smaller than the U.K. stadiums.
Nevertheless there are higher attendances.

J

http://www.lsu.edu/campus/images-picts/TIGS.jpg

Solider field also gets quite loud in its new configuration.


In case the U.S. will be one day host nation of the great Football World cup, they can't use Soldier Field as a WC venue.
It is not up to the latest Fifa-Standards for WC-Stadiums......

And here again the correct list ;):

Signal Iduna Park (Dortmund) 80.708
Olympic Stadium (Berlin) 76.005
Allianz Arena (Munich) 69.901
Olympic Stadium (Munich) 69.250
Veltins Arena (Gelsenkirchen) 61.482
AOL Arena (Hamburg) 57.274
Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion (Stuttgart) 57.000
Borussia-Park (Möchengladbach) 54.000
Commerzbank Arena (Frankfurt) 52.300
Rhein Energie Stadium (Cologne) 51.000
LTU Arena (Düsseldorf) 51.000

(Bundesliga capacity)

In case the U.S. will be one day host nation of the great Football World cup, they can't use Soldier Field as a WC venue.
It is not up to the latest Fifa-Standards for WC-Stadiums......

How so? does the field not have a wide enough gap between that stands or something?

this would be all "interesting" austrian and swiss stadiums:


Die komplette Liste der Austragungsorte der Euro 2008 ist wie folgt:

Switzerland

Basel, St. Jakobs Park (Kapazität: 42.500) – die Kapazität des Stadions wird für die Spiele von derzeit knapp über 33.000 auf diese Zahl aufgestockt. Heimstadion des FC Basel.

Genf, Stade de Geneve (Kapazität: 30.000) – eröffnet im Jahre 2003 und Heimstadion des Servette FC.

Zürich, Letzigrund Stadion (Kapazität: 30.000) – die Eröffnung ist für den September 2007 geplant und dieses Stadion wird das Heimstadion des FC Zürich.

Bern, Stade de Suisse Wankdorf Stadion (Kapazität: 32.000) – das usrprüngliche Stadion war Austragungsort des Finales der Fußballweltmeisterschaft 1954. Es wurde 2001 abgerissen, neu erbaut und im Jahre 2005 wiedereröffnet. Heimstadion des BSC Young Boys.


Austria

Wien, Ernst Happel Stadion (Kapazität: 50.000) – hier wurden bereits vier Europa Cup Endspiele ausgetragen.

Salzberg, Stadion Salzberg Wals-Seizenheim (Kapazität: 30.000) – dieses Stadion wurde 2003 eröffnet und die Kapazität wird für die Endspiele erweitert.

Innsbruck, Stadion Tivuli Neu (Kapazität: 30.000) – Heimstadion des FC Wacker Tirol. Die Kapazität wird für das Turnier erweitert.

Klagenfurt, Wörthersee Stadion (Kapazität: 30.000) – das Stadion wird 2007 eröffnet und wird Heimstadion des FC Kärnten werden.

How so? does the field not have a wide enough gap between that stands or something?


A WC-Stadium needs a 100 % coverage of the seats, that was one of the regulations for the World Cup 2006 in Germany - all of the 640.000 seats in 2006 Stadiums were covered.

Soldier Field has 0% coverage of the seats.

Lower league level German football stadia are not a patch on the Coca Cola, league 1 & 2. The bigger stadiums in the Bundesliga have inflated capacity due to terraces.

the 2.bundesliga had an average viewing figure of 14.000 per game last year.
furthermore I think Germany is building more 20-40k stadiums than any other country in Europe right now.
Many lower league stadiums are pretty decent.

Less than the Championship then which is also the richest non top flight league in the world and 6th richest league in Europe. Germany may be building more 20 -40k stadiums in Europe right now but I guess thats because in England we already have!

Less than the Championship then which is also the richest non top flight league in the world and 6th richest league in Europe. Germany may be building more 20 -40k stadiums in Europe right now but I guess thats because in England we already have!

Weve already got a fair amount of modern 20-40 k stadiums.
How many viewers on average does the championship get per game?

A WC-Stadium needs a 100 % coverage of the seats, that was one of the regulations for the World Cup 2006 in Germany - all of the 640.000 seats in 2006 Stadiums were covered.

Soldier Field has 0% coverage of the seats.

That was regulation of 2006, not all successive world cups. I really doubt that will be required for every cup, they clearly not doing that for South Africa. If Spain hosts the cup soon there is no way they will require roofs for all of the stadiums, especially 100% coverage, that would be absurd. I can't see any reason to require that outside of England or countries that typically get lots of rain, maybe Germany (which shouldn't be an issue to sit the rain, but apperantley it is). In many cities here rain would not be an issue and the teams & fans wouldn't want one afterwards. Especially in northern cities playing in the elements is tradition, and in the summer it is usually very pleasent. With the money that could be made hosting another cup here FIFA would certainly make the exeption and let that one go even if they wanted to enforce it.
You would pobably have a list something like this:
Jerryworld (retractable, 100,000)
Fedex Field (open 92,000)
Reliant (retractable 72,000)
Qwest Field (partially roofed 72,000)
potentially New 49ers stadium (open 68,000)
University of Phoenix stadium (retractable 72,000)
Soldier Field (open 61,000)
New Giants stadium (open 80,000)
LA area, Rose Bowl or new NFL stadium (open 68-92,000)
potential new Vikings stadium (possibly retractable, hopefully open 72,000)
Arrowhead Stadium or Invesco Field (both open 79,000 & 76,000 respectively)
Dolphins Stadium (open 75,000)

That was regulation of 2006, not all successive world cups. I really doubt that will be required for every cup, they clearly not doing that for South Africa. If Spain hosts the cup soon there is no way they will require roofs for all of the stadiums, especially 100% coverage, that would be absurd. I can't see any reason to require that outside of England or countries that typically get lots of rain, maybe Germany (which shouldn't be an issue to sit the rain, but apperantley it is). In many cities here rain would not be an issue and the teams & fans wouldn't want one afterwards. Especially in northern cities playing in the elements is tradition, and in the summer it is usually very pleasent. With the money that could be made hosting another cup here FIFA would certainly make the exeption and let that one go even if they wanted to enforce it.
You would pobably have a list something like this:
Jerryworld (retractable, 100,000)
Fedex Field (open 92,000)
Reliant (retractable 72,000)
Qwest Field (partially roofed 72,000)
potentially New 49ers stadium (open 68,000)
University of Phoenix stadium (retractable 72,000)
Soldier Field (open 61,000)
New Giants stadium (open 80,000)
LA area, Rose Bowl or new NFL stadium (open 68-92,000)
potential new Vikings stadium (possibly retractable, hopefully open 72,000)
Arrowhead Stadium or Invesco Field (both open 79,000 & 76,000 respectively)
Dolphins Stadium (open 75,000)

Years ago I spent 2 weeks in Michigan (nice beach in Holland:) It was very hot, sometimes it was raining cats and dogs. I think, it is the same on the other shore of Lake Michigan. I don't want to sit in a stadium to 1) burn my skin or 2) to get wet to my skin:)

Nevertheless I think you're right, Fifa will make exceptions for partially roofed Stadiums.

Weve already got a fair amount of modern 20-40 k stadiums.
How many viewers on average does the championship get per game?

according to this site (http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm) 18.221.
2. bundesliga has 16.698 for this year.

17-18k

And here again the correct list ;):

Westfalenstadion (Dortmund) 80.708
Olympiastadion (Berlin) 76.005
No Name ;) (Munich) 69.901
Olympiastadion (Munich) 69.250
Arena auf Schalke (Gelsenkirchen) 61.482
Volksparkstadion (Hamburg) 57.274
Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion (Stuttgart) 57.000
Borussia-Park (Möchengladbach) 54.000
Waldstadion (Frankfurt) 52.300
Müngersdorfer Stadion (Cologne) 51.000
LTU Arena (Düsseldorf) 51.000

(Bundesliga capacity)

Intl capacity of Hamburg and Frankfurt each is 500 seats more than GEwinnen's numbers. So, Hamburg has 51500, Frankfurt 48500 (+x, they increased capacity after Confederations Cup, but you don't get correct numbers from anywhere).

U´ve forgot to rename the LTU-Arena into Rheinstadion. ;)

Years ago I spent 2 weeks in Michigan (nice beach in Holland:) It was very hot, sometimes it was raining cats and dogs. I think, it is the same on the other shore of Lake Michigan. I don't want to sit in a stadium to 1) burn my skin or 2) to get wet to my skin:)

One thing you're overlooking are the drawbacks of covered seating for certain types of climates. In a hot, humid summer in the Midwest or Texas, I would not want to sit in a covered stadium. It would actually feel warmer because air circulation and breezes would be reduced.

Hola, abrí este tema, porque casi nadie le ha dado prioridad a lo que ocurrió hace poco en Barinas - Venezuela, pues nos eliminaron un partido.. y de paso el más importante.. el de 4to de final..

Me parece una gran burla por parte de los organizadores, pues mucha gente compró entradas para ese partido y duraron dias para poderlas obtener. ahora esa gente no verá nada. es triste que nos hallan eliminado ese juego, Barinas ya estaba ilucionada...

Barinas esta llena de impotencia y deseccionada. me gustaría saber cuales son sus opiniones al respecto..
Navegado por youtube encontré un video en ralación a esto... Veanlo..

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Me parece una gran burla por parte de los organizadores, pues mucha gente compró entradas para ese partido y duraron dias para poderlas obtener. ahora esa gente no verá nada. es triste que nos hallan eliminado ese juego, Barinas ya estaba ilucionada...

Barinas esta llena de impotencia y deseccionada. me gustaría saber cuales son sus opiniones al respecto..
Navegado por youtube encontré un video en ralación a esto... Veanlo..

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Hola, abrí este tema, porque casi nadie le ha dado prioridad a lo que ocurrió hace poco en Barinas - Venezuela, pues nos eliminaron un partido.. y de paso el más importante.. el de 4to de final..

Me parece una gran burla por parte de los organizadores, pues mucha gente compró entradas para ese partido y duraron dias para poderlas obtener. ahora esa gente no verá nada. es triste que nos hallan eliminado ese juego, Barinas ya estaba ilucionada...

Barinas esta llena de impotencia y deseccionada. me gustaría saber cuales son sus opiniones al respecto..
Navegado por youtube encontré un video en ralación a esto... Veanlo.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEnhCE9T3n4

Hola, abrí este tema, porque casi nadie le ha dado prioridad a lo que ocurrió hace poco en Barinas - Venezuela, pues nos eliminaron un partido.. y de paso el más importante.. el de 4to de final..

Me parece una gran burla por parte de los organizadores, pues mucha gente compró entradas para ese partido y duraron dias para poderlas obtener. ahora esa gente no verá nada. es triste que nos hallan eliminado ese juego, Barinas ya estaba ilucionada...

Barinas esta llena de impotencia y deseccionada. me gustaría saber cuales son sus opiniones al respecto..
Navegado por youtube encontré un video en ralación a esto. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEnhCE9T3n4

Years ago I spent 2 weeks in Michigan (nice beach in Holland:) It was very hot, sometimes it was raining cats and dogs. I think, it is the same on the other shore of Lake Michigan. I don't want to sit in a stadium to 1) burn my skin or 2) to get wet to my skin:)

Nevertheless I think you're right, Fifa will make exceptions for partially roofed Stadiums.

I spend 9 months out of the year in Milwaukee, which a little over an hour north of chicago (which I have spent a little time in on a few occassions), and during June the weather is usually quite nice, July and August get nasty anywhere in the midwest, but not so much in June. Also with the way lake effect of lake Michigan works it will cools Milwaukee and Chicago. Also if you ware sunscreen, two hours in the sun (and maybe youre on the shaded side, or maybe its an evening game and there is no worring at all) isn't much to worry about. Down south and out west is where that maybe a problem. Also whats this huge hang up with the rain? in june if is its 80 degrees it will feel good, atleast to me.

Country / Stadiums = USA
Country size / Stadiums = UK
Population / Stadiums = Australia

WHT is doing this here?? ... and 4 threads for the same thing!... Please a mod that elimate all these threads..

Hola, abrí este tema, porque casi nadie le ha dado prioridad a lo que ocurrió hace poco en Barinas - Venezuela, pues nos eliminaron un partido.. y de paso el más importante.. el de 4to de final..

Me parece una gran burla por parte de los organizadores, pues mucha gente compró entradas para ese partido y duraron dias para poderlas obtener. ahora esa gente no verá nada. es triste que nos hallan eliminado ese juego, Barinas ya estaba ilucionada...

Barinas esta llena de impotencia y deseccionada. me gustaría saber cuales son sus opiniones al respecto..
Navegado por youtube encontré un video en ralación a esto. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEnhCE9T3n4

Bu how do you want to play in a stadium that will be not ready? will not have the capacity needed

USA no doubt about it. There is no way any other country can even compete.

USA no doubt about it. There is no way any other country can even compete.

I agree. Nobody's even broached the numerous amounts of high school stadiums across the country that seat 10,000 or 20,000+

If the World Cup could be staged at any ten stadia in any part of the World.
Which ten stadia would you have host a World Cup Match.

Stadium must seat 40,000+
Semi-Final Venues 60,000 +
Final Venue 70,000 +

e.g.
1. Old Trafford
2. Dortmund
3. Allianz
4. Wembley
5. Dragao
6. River Plate
7. Soldier Field
8. MCG
9. Cape Town World Cup Stadium
10. San Siro

then

SF
Old Trafford
Allianz

F -Wembley

1. Are you just looking for a list of ten stadia, or are you proposing a World Cup in a fantasy universe where travel is quick and cheap?

2. FIFA wouldn't let you play World Cup matches at Soldier Field :)

3. Why on earth is Old Trafford on your list when you have the whole world to choose from?

4. Why on earth is Old Trafford down to host a semi-final?!

OK, my ten, in no particular order:

1. Wembley Stadium
2. Stade de France
3. Camp Nou
4. Estadio Azteca
5. Stadio Giuseppe Meazza
6. Telstra Stadium
7. Estadio Santiago Bernabéu
8. Allianz Arena
9. Soccer City
10. Reliant Stadium

Semi-final venues:

Camp Nou
Estadio Azteca

Final venue:

Wembley Stadium

Hmmmm... strange question:

1. Wembley Stadium
2. Nou Camp
3. San Siro
4. Allianz Arena
5. Stade de France
6. Relliant Stadium
7. Telstra Stadium
8. Cape Town
9. Beijing Olympic Stadium
10. Azteca

SF
1. Stade de France
2. Beijing Olympic

Final
Wembley

Copycat! :tongue:

If I were allowed 16, the extra 6 would be:

11. Stade Vélodrome
12. Seoul World Cup Stadium
13. Invesco Field
14. FedExField
15. Giants Stadium
16. Estádio da Luz

1. My list said "e.g."
2. Fantasy Universe, travel not an issue.
3. Old trafford, super atmosphere. However my list is but an example of the layout to follow.
4. There is no "one stadium per country" rule.

Guys how come you are forgetting Maracanã?

My 10.
*Estadio Azteca
*Maracanã
*Signal Iduna Park
*Stade de France
*Amsterdam Arena
*NSK Olimpiyskyi
*Sapporo Dome
*Athens Olympic Stadium
*Veltins Arena
*Wembley

SM
*Amsterdam Arena
*Maracanã

Final
*Estadio Azteca

I would NOT include any stadia with an Athletics track.

Group Stage, in no particular order with rough capacties
1.Wembley (90,000)
2.Stade France (80,000)
3.Camp Nou (98,000)
4.Signal Iduna (68,000)
5.Soccer City (94,000)
6.Maracana (103,000
7.Azteca (114,000)
8.Jerryworld (100,000)
9.Fedex Field (92,000)
10.Telstra (83,500)

Round of 16
1.Signal Iduna park
2.Fedex Field
3.Stade France
4.Telstra Stadium
5.Maracana
6.Camp Nou
7.Wembley
8.Jerryworld

Quarter Finals:
Soccer City
Stade France
Maracana
Azteca

Semi Finals:
Jerryworld
Camp Nou

Third Place
Soccer City

Final
Wembley (I am torn with its comparetively low capacity, but it is Wembley)

Avg. capacity of about 92,250, that would finally break (well absolutely shatter) the '94 attendance record. Total Attendance of about 5,904,000. That would be sweet.

1. Camp Nou
2. Wembly
3. Allainz
4. Jade Stadium
5. Jerryworld
6. Reliant Stadium
7. Santiago Bernabeu
8. Twickenham
9. Estadio Azteca
10 Estadio do Dragao

SF Wembly
SF Camp Nou
F Santiago Bernabeu

1. Páirc an Chrócaigh; Dublin, Republic of Ireland. (Approx 75,000 with seating on Hill 16 and Nally Terraces, or 93,000 if stadium was completed on all four sides).
2. Wembley; London, England. (90,000)
3. Stade De France; St. Denis, France. (79,959)
4. Estadio Santiago Bernabéu; Madrid, Spain. (80,400)
5. Estadio Azteca; Mexico City, Mexico. (114, 465)
6. Reliant Stadium; Houston, United States of America. (71,500)
7. Estádio Jornalista Mário Filho; Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. (97,000)
8. National Stadium Bukit Jalil; Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (87,411)
9. First National Bank Stadium; Johannesburg, South Africa (78,000)
10. Telstra Stadium; Sydney, Australia. (83,500)

Average capacity: 85,723

Semi-Finals:

Wembley Stadium
Estádio Jornalista Mário Filho

Final

Estadio Azteca

I would NOT include any stadia with an Athletics track.

Hehe, glad to know this bugs other people as well.

No football stadium should have a track around it. It's just WRONG.

The new Wembley stadium has never hosted a world cup, so technically it shouldn't be on the list :D

oh forget it, I thought it was only out of those that already held a WC game

1) Wembley
2) San Siro
3) Santiago Bernabeu
4) Stade de France
5) Maracana
6) Estadio da Luz
7) Camp Nou
8) Khalifa Inter Stadium
9) Beijing Olympic Stadium
10)Soccer City

Semi-finals
1) Reliant
2) Allianz

Final
Estadio Azteca

USA, quantity but not quality

1 MCG 100000 Melbourne
2 Maracana 103045 Rio de Janeiro
3 Wembley 90000 London
4 Azteca 114465 Mexico City
5 INVESCO Field at Mile High 76125 Denver
6 Stade de France 79959 Sainte-Denis
7 Olympiastadion 76065 Berlin
8 Camp Nou 98934 Barcelona
9 Estadio Teodoro Fernandez 80093 Lima
10 Soccer City Stadium 95000 Johannesburg

semi finals:
1 Wembley
2 Azteca

final:

Camp Nou

I would NOT include any stadia with an Athletics track.

I've excluded both stadia with athletics tracks and circular stadia, which is why the MCG and Maracanã don't make my list. I also haven't included future stadia such as Jerryworld or the new ones in Cape Town and Durban.

I gurantee you the US has more top notch stadiums than any country. So how can you say that?

How can you guarantee that?

I would NOT include any stadia with an Athletics track.

Agreed. Also no circular stadiums as someone else pointed out. Football at the MCG is a joke, 'pitchside' seat is a mile from the pitch, rake is too shallow, upper tier is so far from the pitch that you get eye-strain. Fantastic venue for cricket and AFL, but not for football - kills the atmosphere.

1) Wembley
2) San Siro
3) Santiago Bernabeu
4) Stade de France
5) Maracana
6) Estadio da Luz
7) Camp Nou
8) Khalifa Inter Stadium
9) Beijing Olympic Stadium
10)Soccer City

Semi-finals
1) Reliant
2) Allianz

Final
Estadio Azteca

Er, that's 13. :)

1. Are you just looking for a list of ten stadia, or are you proposing a World Cup in a fantasy universe where travel is quick and cheap?

2. FIFA wouldn't let you play World Cup matches at Soldier Field :)
Well then maybe they should play at Lambeau Field (71K). :lol:

Wasn't Dolphins Stadium (near Miami, FL) designed to host world-class football?

I wonder if the stadium at Penn State (State College, PA - 101K) would work.
-Invesco (Denver, CO) would be good, too
Also:
-Reliant (Houston, TX)
-Browns Stadium (Cleveland, OH)
-Gillette Stadium (Foxboro, MA)
-(the new NFL venue proposed for NYC)
-Quest Field (Seattle, WA)
-(new Cowboys stadium)

Final-
either
-Rose Bowl or
-Los Angeles Coliseum

Mike

First www.stadionwelt.de gone (unless you´re paying... not)
and now I cannot find www.worldstadiums.com anymore.
What´s happening with the world, where is this going too?

anybody got some good alternatives?

Ok, there are 3 for sure Texas, Florida, California. Maybe 5 is a stretch. The other two I was thinking about were NY, and PA but they don't have quite enough stadiums.
New York is very short on stadia. Remember that NYC's two NFL teams currently play in New Jersey. Only the NFL's Buffalo Bills play in New York. Shea Stadium (Queens, NYC) once was an NFL venue and could possibly host World Cup matches. The only other stadium in the state that I know of that is big enough is the Carrier Dome in Syracuse (Syracuse University), but some way would have to be found to grow grass in there.

PA is also likely stadium-short, the only venues that I know of that are big enough are the NFL's Heinz Field (Pittsburgh) and Lincoln Financial Field (Philadelphia) and Penn State University's stadium in State College, PA (Beaver Stadium - 101K).

OTOH, I agree on California, Florida and Texas all being able to host World Cups by themselves.

Mike

How can you guarantee that?

OK, take your top league in your top sport. Count how many are modern new stadia. realize that in the NFL, NBA and MLB you might have 5 in each league out of about 30 that are outdated. Even if you break that down to 20 in each league that aren't modern and relatively expensive, you're still talking about 60 modern stadia. This doesn't count minor league and college sports. There simply is no amateur equivalent to US college football and basketball for another source of large stadiums.

http://www.fussballtempel.net/main.html

www.stadiony.net , www.stadiumguide.com

First www.stadionwelt.de gone (unless you´re paying... not)
and now I cannot find www.worldstadiums.com anymore.
What´s happening with the world, where is this going too?

anybody got some good alternatives?

WorldStadiums still works tho...

One of my fave's http://www.footballgroundguide.co.uk/

All built circa prohibition or when Ab Lincoln was running the show. College stadiums all wood and bleachers, NFL stadiums all indentikit stadiums though you could level that at some of ours before you hit back. Fair play though, USA has the new world/universe champions of basketball

do you raze old stadiums in the USA or wait to they get hit by "friendly fire"?

USA, Germany...

All built circa prohibition or when Ab Lincoln was running the show. College stadiums all wood and bleachers, NFL stadiums all indentikit stadiums though you could level that at some of ours before you hit back.

That's so ignorant. :ohno:

bumdingo is an idiot

90% of you seem to get it wrong.The caption says" Which country has the best stadium infrastructure? "However,I guess UK follow by USA before every other stadium around the globe.PERIOD

OK, take your top league in your top sport. Count how many are modern new stadia. realize that in the NFL, NBA and MLB you might have 5 in each league out of about 30 that are outdated. Even if you break that down to 20 in each league that aren't modern and relatively expensive, you're still talking about 60 modern stadia. This doesn't count minor league and college sports. There simply is no amateur equivalent to US college football and basketball for another source of large stadiums.

Surely the US are plenty of top notch stadia. Nevertheless I think design of American stadia is quite dull compared to Wembley Stadium or Allianz Arena.

Surely the US are plenty of top notch stadia. Nevertheless I think design of American stadia is quite dull compared to Wembley Stadium or Allianz Arena.

I have the opposite. You can do only so much with European rooved stadiums. Having a limited or no roof actually increases design potential.

Soldier Field is much better qualified to host a WC game than Lambeau as geat a stadium as it is, FIFA has issues with bench seating, and Lambeau is like 95% benches (they way it should be). Also I am not sure the field is wide enough. Also I would put money on it that FIFA would allow soldier field to host atleast opening round matches sans roof. The L.A. Coliseum is cool, but becuase how oblong (originally diesigned to take a 600 m track I believe) the field is it wouldn't be ideal for hosting football in general, the Rose Bowl (I wouldn't be suprised to see it go to an all-seater before too long) is much better suited to sports played on a rectangular pitch.
I also doubt beaver stadium has a wide enough field, and again almost entirely bench seating.
The rest of those would work very well though.

Copycat! :tongue:

LOL... great minds think alike ;)

But I have Cape Town, not J'Burg & different semi venues.

i would say that the Allianz Arena is one of the most plain and boring designs I have ever seen. When its not lit up on game night it just looks like a big grey matress, in person and on TV. The bowl IMO is a very plain three teir design, though smart interms of sightlines is nothing special. Run that up against Paul Brown Stadium in Cincinnati (one of my personal favorites) or Denver's Invesco Field. There are some phenomenal designs in the UK and Europe (especially stuff like the new Valencia, Munich Olympiastadion, Signal Iduna, Stade France, Camp Nou ect.) though.
But this thread is about infastructure, not aesthetics, not about how flashy modern or what kind of atmosphere, but how functionally designed, connected and accessable. Interms of Mass transit connection Germany has to take it. But across the board its got to be the USA.

Estadio Azteca is surely going to need a major upgrade first, it's over 20 years since it last saw some major work. Tough luck if you sit behind the goal as the roof only covers about the back 5 rows.

Its facilities surely wouldn't be able to compete with the likes of The Allianz, Wembley and the Stade de France.

Country / Stadiums = USA
Country size / Stadiums = UK
Population / Stadiums = Australia
I agree. Germany deserves a mention as well.

Estadio Azteca is surely going to need a major upgrade first, it's over 20 years since it last saw some major work. Tough luck if you sit behind the goal as the roof only covers about the back 5 rows.

I'm sure the 25,000 extra people who got a world cup final ticket will be concerned with such trivial matters.

I'm sure the 25,000 extra people who got a world cup final ticket will be concerned with such trivial matters.

Maybe Fifa might though.

www.footballgroundz.co.uk
http://www.groundhopping.de
http://www.pyramidpassion.co.uk
http://www.allsportsinternational.co.uk/nlground2ground.html

i would say that the Allianz Arena is one of the most plain and boring designs I have ever seen. When its not lit up on game night it just looks like a big grey matress, in person and on TV.

Ask Mr. Hoeness an Beckenbauer, they say that the Allianz Arena is the best stdium in the world. I know that they are wrong.
We have a few nicknames for the Allianz Arena in Germany:

1. Arrogance Arena (Bayern Munich supporters hate this nickname:lol: )
2. Rubber dinghy
3. Toilet seat


There are some phenomenal designs in the UK and Europe (especially stuff like the new Valencia, Munich Olympiastadion, Signal Iduna, Stade France, Camp Nou ect.) though.

Signal Iduna phenomanal design? Never ever, it is like Old Trafford, a mix of different extensions. And the facilities of the 33 years old parts have the design of 1970!

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200604/r83278_242727.jpg

One of my fave's http://www.footballgroundguide.co.uk/

That's a classic! And always has regular updates.

I was trying to point out the atmosphere and abstract design ( steep two tiered, some thought to the exterior, big standing tier) of Signal Iduna, and the fact that its not another three level slightly rounded bowl, that design is just getting beaten to death over and over. I actually kind of like it's aesthetics of it oddly enough, I cant speak to general infrastructure though, just trying to make a point about Allianz being vastly overrated.

http://www.stadia.gr/intro.html good greek site
www.seatdata.com a good site for american stadiums and arenas

^^ Do you actually have no legs? What a bizarre choice of Display name.

Here's my favourite football based website - stadiums made of lego!
http://www.burikmodeldesign.com/Sportsstadiumsmainpage.html

Maybe Fifa might though.

Doubt it.

They didn't mind the olympic track in the 2006 final, they prefer to have bad views and have an extra 10k seats.

Here's my favourite football based website - stadiums made of lego!
http://www.burikmodeldesign.com/Sportsstadiumsmainpage.html
i asked how much it would be to get a custom built stadium and they said it would cost $2000

Surely the US are plenty of top notch stadia. Nevertheless I think design of American stadia is quite dull compared to Wembley Stadium or Allianz Arena.

I think every stadium in the world is dull compared to Soldier Field's design. It really is unusual, yet gets every fan as close as possible. Truly unique.

http://image26.webshots.com/27/4/4/93/2841404930065242065tbLAdP_ph.jpg?track_pagetag=/page/photo/travel/ustravel&track_action=/Shortcuts/FullSize

This is a stupid arguement fellas......USA got the best infastructure hands down....and i am not just talking football stadiums....im talking about most sports such as baseball, basketball and even smaller soccer stadiums.

Some Mickey Mouse Soccer Stadiums

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/193/507016030_4eef61410a_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/192/457410319_e5cf346c6a_o.jpg
http://ci.carson.ca.us/content/imagegallery/images/homedepot_2.jpg
^^ Home Depot Center home of the LA Galaxy (Future Home of David Beckham) Just 27,000 in Capacity.


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/91/246733798_93c2055169_o.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/tomuchfun96/65361ca7.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/71/165437888_e018da5a5c.jpg
^^ Toyota Park home of the Chicago Fire (20,000 Cap.)

http://www.dallasnews.com/img/photo/08-05/0807pizza8.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/52/141541605_f85d402057_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/194/486892017_c1597d5b56_b.jpg
^^ Pizza Hut Park home of the Dallas Burn (21,000 Cap)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/216/455200111_28eecc8b06_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/203/455186616_fc6be8659b_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/176/464279817_bfb63d06e6_b.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/203/464257364_4d85cccb43_b.jpg
^^ Dick's Sporting Goods Park home of the colorado rapids (26,000 cap)

http://www.crewstadium.com/images/jpg/stadium.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c278/peterwilt/BridgeviewStadiumatNight.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/181622651_910e5b0307_b.jpg
^^ Columbus Crew Stadium......Columbus Ohio (33,000 Cap)

A couple of observations:

1. There are actually many sports in the world IN ADDITION to football. I have never seen such arrogance and elitism about a sport as I've seen in this thread. I've always heard that Americans were unaware of and oblivious to other cultures, but here is a glaring example of many Eurpeans proudly displaying their ignorance and ego-centrism. I'm into several sports, so I'm aware that they all have merits and each one is exciting to either play or watch.

2. The U.S. quite obviously has the largest number of world class sports venues, many more than any other country. That isn't arrogance or nationalism, it's just going by the numbers and the quality. Atlanta's venues would be typical of U.S. cities, with 4 major professional sports teams and a couple of large universities...

Georgia Dome (72,000 U.S. football)
Phillips Arena (20,000 basketball/hockey)
Turner Field (50,000 baseball)
Sanford Stadium (92,000 UGA football) built in 1927, Olympic Football host '96
Bobby Dodd Stadium (56,000 Georgia Tech football) built in 1913

The SEC and ACC conferences have several stadiums and arenas around the Southeast and East Coast with large capacities (80-100,000 football; 20,000+ basketball) that are either new/recently built or a classic but updated.

Estadio Azteca is surely going to need a major upgrade first, it's over 20 years since it last saw some major work. Tough luck if you sit behind the goal as the roof only covers about the back 5 rows.

Its facilities surely wouldn't be able to compete with the likes of The Allianz, Wembley and the Stade de France.

How you can compare a 30-40 year-old stadium with those new ones that have less than 10. Obviously they have different criterias about comfort, security, facilities, no way :ohno:

^^ True Dat

A couple of observations:



2. The U.S. quite obviously has the largest number of world class sports venues, many more than any other country. That isn't arrogance or nationalism, it's just going by the numbers and the quality.


you have to compare the U.S. to the top 5 nations of the EU,
U.S. 301,000,000 inh. (9,600,000 square km)

to:

Germany 83,000,000
France 60,000,000
U.K. 60,000,000
Italy 59,000,000
Spain 45,000,000

= 307,000,000 inh. of the top 5 EU nations (1,900,000 square km)

This EU countries together represents a perfect stadium infrastructure.

There is no such thing as perfect infrastructure, that would require perfect design and perfect funding. Thats definately not the the best choice of words. When you put those top 5 EU countries together they certainly make a very strong argument, however the original question was which COUNTRY, not countries has the best infrastructure. If you take the USA one on one with anyone, the edge is to the USA. If you add together Europe's top five, and keep things strictly to rectangular pitched stadiums, then I can't argue with you too much. But if you do an overall sports facilities comparison between the USA and your EU list (arenas, cricket grounds, ballparks ect. included) I think the USA still has a clear edge.

Sorry DennisRodman, none of those pics you posted helped your cause alot. None of those stadiums are that good.

The fact that there is only one major sport in most of Europe but four in the US works the the US advantage in this argument.

For example when current constuction has been completed Minneapolis/St Paul will have:

Metrodome (football) 64,000
New Twins Stadium (baseball, under constuction) ~42,000
TCF Field (college football, under constuction) ~40,000
Target Center (basketball) 20,500
Xcel Center (hockey) 18,000
National Sports Center (soccer) 15,000
Williams Arena (college basketball) 14,600
Marriuci Arena (college hockey) 10,000
Midway Stadium (minor league baseball) 6,000
James Griffin Stadium (soccer, high school football) 6,000

The main rail transit hub for the Twin Cities will be under the new Twins stadium which is pretty cool.

The USA clearly beats out even the top five European countries.

The NFL alone has 31 60k+ stadiums, the smallest, RCA Dome with 57k, is getting replaced as we speak.

Then there are the 30 MLB stadiums, ranging from 35k (PNC park) to 57k (yankee stadium).

Not to mention the countless University stadiums that are all over the US.

Sorry DennisRodman, none of those pics you posted helped your cause alot. None of those stadiums are that good.

Those are mickey mouse soccer stadiums in america....those are only a tip of the iceberg.

Imagine if Football no soccer was popular in america....

The fact that there is only one major sport in most of Europe but four in the US works the the US advantage in this argument.

For example when current constuction has been completed Minneapolis/St Paul will have:

Metrodome (football) 64,000
New Twins Stadium (baseball, under constuction) ~42,000
TCF Field (college football, under constuction) ~40,000
Target Center (basketball) 20,500
Xcel Center (hockey) 18,000
National Sports Center (soccer) 15,000
Williams Arena (college basketball) 14,600
Marriuci Arena (college hockey) 10,000
Midway Stadium (minor league baseball) 6,000
James Griffin Stadium (soccer, high school football) 6,000

The main rail transit hub for the Twin Cities will be under the new Twins stadium which is pretty cool.

Aint they building a new stadium for the vikings as well?

Top Stadia for world cup:

1. Wembley is a no brainer
2. Allianz arena
3. Relliant Stadium my hometown Htown
4. Stade De France
5. San Siro
6. Amsterdam Arena
7. Beijing Olympic stadium
8. Durban Stadium South Africa
9. Old Trafford
10. Athens Olympic Stadium

Semi
Maracana Brazil
Relliant Stadium

Final
Soccer City South Africa

They want the city (and probably the state) to foot most of the bill for a $954 million stadium complex. Which we are in no position to do with the new gophers stadium ($288 million, largely public) and twins ballpark ($522 million, mostly funded by Hennipen County alone) currently in the works. Right now the those brilliant law makers like Gov. Pawlenty won't raise taxes to properly fund anything (schools which are starting to slip a little from near the top of the list, programs for the poor, municipal improvements ect) much less a near billion dollar reach around for Zigi. If the vikings are really that desperate for a new stadium they will have to ante up more than 25% and not expect exclusive land rights around the new stadium cause we aren't in a position to pay that right now. If thy wee going to cover 75% that would be a different story.
Oh and TCF Bank Stadium is going to seat 50,000, not 40,000.

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There is no such thing as perfect infrastructure, that would require perfect design and perfect funding. Thats definately not the the best choice of words. When you put those top 5 EU countries together they certainly make a very strong argument, however the original question was which COUNTRY, not countries has the best infrastructure. If you take the USA one on one with anyone, the edge is to the USA. If you add together Europe's top five, and keep things strictly to rectangular pitched stadiums, then I can't argue with you too much. But if you do an overall sports facilities comparison between the USA and your EU list (arenas, cricket grounds, ballparks ect. included) I think the USA still has a clear edge.


I agree with you, but the question wasn't fair. You can ask aswell:
Who is taller: A dwarf or a giant?
I've a question, benn, what's the total attendences of NFL (incl. Superbowl) and baseball league in the last season?

I agree with you, but the question wasn't fair. You can ask aswell:
Who is taller: A dwarf or a giant?
I've a question, benn, what's the total attendences of NFL (incl. Superbowl) and baseball league in the last season?

NFL: ~22,000,000

MLB: ~76,000,000

The fact that there is only one major sport in most of Europe but four in the US works the the US advantage in this argument.

For example when current constuction has been completed Minneapolis/St Paul will have:

Metrodome (football) 64,000
New Twins Stadium (baseball, under constuction) ~42,000
TCF Field (college football, under constuction) ~40,000
Target Center (basketball) 20,500
Xcel Center (hockey) 18,000
National Sports Center (soccer) 15,000
Williams Arena (college basketball) 14,600
Marriuci Arena (college hockey) 10,000
Midway Stadium (minor league baseball) 6,000
James Griffin Stadium (soccer, high school football) 6,000

The main rail transit hub for the Twin Cities will be under the new Twins stadium which is pretty cool.


so rugby league,rugby union and cricket don't count as major sports?

Thanks for the info, now I am going to rob these sites of all the pictures...
Please put more info in, maybe it is nice to put some sites of architects in it to who have build a lot.
I ´ll start by putting the following link in:

http://www.zwarts.jansma.nl/listpublish.php?q_mm=&q_keyword=256

A big one in Holland, Zwarts & Jansma architects.

The city with the best variety of stadium infrastructure would have to be melbourne

Major, but you guys would never put them on the level with your football. We have no soccer equivalent in the states is probably the best way to put it. There's always debate no matter what the attendance or tv numbers. There's always a debate as to which of our big 6 is the most popular.

The city with the best variety of stadium infrastructure would have to be melbourne
Except they still don't have a decent retangular stadium.

What about London? It's got Wembley Stadium, Emirates Stadium, Twickenham, O2 Dome will be fitted out soon, Lords, The Oval. Not to mention White Hart Lane, Stamford Bridge & Upton Park though they are not quite up there with the others. There are a host of others like The Valley, Craven Cottage, The Den & Selhurst Park.

Surely the US are plenty of top notch stadia. Nevertheless I think design of American stadia is quite dull compared to Wembley Stadium or Allianz Arena.

Wembley and Allianz are just copies of stadiums that have been built in America over the last 10 years. Allianz has a unique exterior but that has no bearing on the term "infrastructure"

you have to compare the U.S. to the top 5 nations of the EU,
U.S. 301,000,000 inh. (9,600,000 square km)

to:

Germany 83,000,000
France 60,000,000
U.K. 60,000,000
Italy 59,000,000
Spain 45,000,000

= 307,000,000 inh. of the top 5 EU nations (1,900,000 square km)

This EU countries together represents a perfect stadium infrastructure.

Even then it's no contest. There are 30 teams in the NFL with stadiums better than all but 3 or 4 European cities (Paris, Munich, uhhhh.....hmmm.) Plus there are 40 or so state of the art arenas between 16,000 and 23,000 seats, add baseball and college to that. No contest.

sorry, double post

Even then it's no contest. There are 30 teams in the NFL with stadiums better than all but 3 or 4 European cities (Paris, Munich, uhhhh.....hmmm.) Plus there are 40 or so state of the art arenas between 16,000 and 23,000 seats, add baseball and college to that. No contest.

Better stadiums? This is a question of the point of view.
O.k, the american stadiums are really huge and impressive. But the european stadiums have (allmost) all seats under cover, there are no huge gaps in the stadiums.

For e.g. I want to compare Soldier Field to Veltins Arena (I know it very well:)

http://www.90minut.pl/temp/ms06/stadiums/gelsenkirchen1.jpg

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/01/787401/1280_6232643737623765.jpg

http://nflfreaks.com/images/Players/NFLF-Soldiers_Field_092803.jpg

http://academics.triton.edu/faculty/fheitzman/soldier%20field.jpg

cap.: 54.000/67.0000 advantage SF
roof: 100%/ 0 % advantage VA

HOK Sport - http://www.hoksport.com/projects/index.html (try and find someone bigger :) )

KSS Group - www.kssgroup.com/

Schlaich Bergemann und Partner - http://www.sbp.de/de/fla/mittig.html

Even then it's no contest. There are 30 teams in the NFL with stadiums better than all but 3 or 4 European cities (Paris, Munich, uhhhh.....hmmm.) Plus there are 40 or so state of the art arenas between 16,000 and 23,000 seats, add baseball and college to that. No contest.

I know you are right, but it has an explanation: the US are one country since a long time. Western-Europe isn't one country (yet) but consists of 15 countries, that are working together for about 60 years or less. Before, we were at war with eachother. Not so strange huh?

And it also has another explanation: we don't have truly pan-European competitions as your NFL or MLB. All sports have leagues in their own countries, and there's a small European Cup which isn't important at all. When we would have a NFL-like Champions League, I guess the stadiumsize of the smaller teams (teams from Holland, Scotland, Greece, Denmark, Belgium etc.) would increase dramatically.

Wembley in no way resembles any stadium built in America over the last 1000 years never mind 10. For a start it's got roof, American stadiums tend not to have........roofs. With so many stadiums being built now it must be virtually impossible to build a completely original stadium in design. To make a stadium stand out now it's positioning needs to be taken into account. The new Pompey Village is a good example, the Zenit St Petersburg new stadium. The Husky stadium in Seattle is rather unremarkable stadium but its positioning on the waterfront makes it visually pleasing

Better stadiums? This is a question of the point of view.
O.k, the american stadiums are really huge and impressive. But the european stadiums have (allmost) all seats under cover, there are no huge gaps in the stadiums.

For e.g. I want to compare Soldier Field to Veltins Arena (I know it very well:)

http://www.90minut.pl/temp/ms06/stadiums/gelsenkirchen1.jpg

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/01/787401/1280_6232643737623765.jpg

http://nflfreaks.com/images/Players/NFLF-Soldiers_Field_092803.jpg

http://academics.triton.edu/faculty/fheitzman/soldier%20field.jpg

cap.: 54.000/67.0000 advantage SF
roof: 100%/ 0 % advantage VA

This is a list of large, US, professional stadiums with full roofs or retractable roofs. As you can see, the US isn't hurting for them.

Chase Field(retractable)
University of Phoenix(retractable)
Tropicana Field(domed)
Georgia Dome(domed)
Lucas Oil Stadium(u/c)(retractable)
Louisiana Superdome(domed)
Ford Field(domed)
Pontiac Silverdome(it still exists)(domed)
HHH Metrodome(domed)
Carrier Dome(domed)
Alamodome(domed)
Astrodome(domed)
JerryWorld(u/c)(retractable)
Minute Maid Field(retractable)
Reliant Stadium(retractable)
Qwest Field(partial roof)
Safeco Field(retractable)
Miller Park(fan retractable)
Wrigley Field(partial roof)
Edward Jones Dome(domed)
Texas Stadium(partial roof)

and this is even with a very anti-roof feeling of many fans in the US. Also does not list the new MLS stadiums, many of which have partial roofs.

Should also mention Minneapolis is likely to get a retractable roof NFL stadium as well.

Don't forget this one:


http://www.footballstadiums.vze.com

There's also:

www.austadiums.com

If you're interested in Australia's stadia. Not many 'football' grounds, but interesting to track how things are coming on.

What is the big deal with Soldier Field? It doesn't look very impressive.

What is the big deal with Soldier Field? It doesn't look very impressive.

It's not really the renovated modern version that people rave about, it's the old one. Think of it as Chicago's Wembley, then you'll understand.

Oh, and roofs on stadiums are not advantages! If I want to watch a sporting event inside, I'll watch it on TV. Being out in the elements even though it is probably teetering on the edge of insanity and cheering on your team until you're blue in the face, that's what going out to a game is all about. I don't feel like I've given it my all as a fan unless I come back completely drained from the sun/rain/snow.

personally i think soldier field is fantastic, probably my second favourite after the reliant stadium. i love the sweeping box suites and the way the tiers of the stand cut at big angles but in such a beautiful way, even the choice of seating and colours used in the stadium blend perfectly

im not too sure about the facade however how it mixes old with new, it just doesnt quite fit but otherwise it looks amazing, just look at the view to central chicago!

Soldier Field is one of the most historic stadiums in the United States (although the "brilliant" redesign on the outside resulted in its historic landmark status being revoked).

The old Soldier Field, not Michigan Stadium, holds the record for most most spectators at a football game (125,000).

USA obviously.

Germany and UK next I think. Although Korea has some decent ones now, really up and coming but just not enough of them.

What is the big deal with Soldier Field? It doesn't look very impressive.

To me, its one of those underappreciated, once in a lifetime designs. The way the stands and suites are literally stacked on top of the field is incredible. Even on the other side, the huge upper deck is right on top of things. Not to mention that place looks totally different from every angle. And that's saying nothing about the history or monument of the place.

http://www.msu.edu/~daleand1/New%20Soldier%20Field.jpg

http://www.merit.edu/~jrussell/chicago-steph/chicago-soldierfield.jpg


http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7391/162121388jsqzwZ_fs.jpg


http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/5796/168214984MkWFJN_fs.jpg

Nothing against the design of the bowl in an abstract way (its very unique, and has good proximity as well as solid sightlines) , but in the context of the original Soldier Field its an abomination. Soldier Field was one of THE cathedrals of Football, with its monumental neoclassical elegance and history. I feel crashing a space ship looking abstract bowl that towers over the old colonnades an affront to history and tradition. To be fair this isn't the first renovation that hurt aesthetics, ever since the 50's each subsequent renovation has hurt the overall aesthetic of Soldier. If it were on its own, or atleast not in a neoclassical beauty it would be great, but thats not the case.

In January 2005, Belgrade was picked to host the 2009 Summer Universiade over Poznan (Poland) and Monterrey (Mexico).

The success of Belgrade's bid was mostly due to our superior & already existing venues - both Poznan & Monterey still had theirs on the drawing boards.

Now i'd like to take the opportunity to present the venues where this competion will take place. Unsuprisingly, this whole Universiade deal still isn't attracting much attention in the city, where most people see it as a mere stepping stone to the eventual hosting of a football European Championships/World Cup or Summer Olympics:yes:

STADIUMS



STADIUM FC “CRVENA ZVEZDA” (Red Star Belgrade's Marakana)

In the middle of the greatest sports complex in Belgrade is the stadium which, since its founding in 1965, has hosted many international competitions. The stadium can hold 61,400 spectators and it is designed for football and athletics. Beside the football field, athletic track and other athletic fields, there are also 4 grass courts and one hard court, auxiliary training courts and supplemental facilities (dressing rooms, club, restaurant, press center). Within the complex there are also a sports hall, medical center with saunas and hydrotherapy, as well as two office buildings with club offices, the Museum of the “Crvena Zvezda” football club and a guest room.


Sport: Opening and closing ceremony, Athletics
http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_fkzvezda.jpg


STADIUM JNA FC “PARTIZAN”
The “Partizan” Stadium is the construction with the longest sports tradition in Serbia and Montenegro. It resides on the spot that has always been place of the most important football events in the country. FIFA criteria has become stricter over the last few years, especially in domain of audience security and comfort. According to those requests, the auditorium has been reconstructed in 1998, seats have been installed, halls for enter and exist have been widened, modern equipment installed, and therefore the present capacity is 32,710 seats, complying with all stipulated conditions. In 1995 the “Partizan” Stadium entered the development system of world stadiums, with project-program solution of covering the stadium and making it a great sports-business centre.


Sport: Football

http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_fkpartizan.jpg


STADIUM FC “OBILIC”
Football stadium holds 10,000 spectators. There are also dressing rooms, club, restaurant and press center.


Sport: Football

http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_fkobilic.jpg

STADIUM “OMLADINSKI STADIUM”

Football stadium with athletic track, auxiliary training field, 3 tennis courts and a judo hall. Designed for: football, athletics, judo, cycling and tennis. The stadium holds 21,000 spectators. There are also dressing rooms, club, restaurant and press center.


Sport: Football

http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_fkomladinski.jpg


STADIUM “GRADSKI STADIUM ZEMUN”

The stadium holds 10,000 spectators. Designed for competitions in football, hockey, rugby and athletics. Besides the main grass field, it also has auxiliary training fields (grass or hard), as well as supplemental facilities (dressing rooms, club, press center).


Sport: Football

http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_fkzemun.jpg


STADIUM FC “RAD”
The stadium has a grass field and a training field, as well as a handball field. It is designed for football, hockey and rugby. It has 5,000 seats and all supplemental facilities (dressing rooms, club, restaurant and press center).


Sport: Football
http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_fkrad.jpg

STADIUM FC “RADNICKI”

The stadium has 3,000 group seats and is primarily designed for football and hockey. The complex has a grass field and a training field. It has all supplemental facilities (dressing rooms, club, restaurant).

Sport: Football

http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_fkradnicki.jpg

AQUATIC / SWIMMING CENTERS


SPORTS RECREATIONAL CENTER “TASMAJDAN”

This center was founded by the City Assembly of Belgrade in 1958. It has about 130 employees. It has one outdoor and one indoor swimming-pool, stands for 2,000 spectators, a diving platform for 1, 3, 5, and 10m jumps, and 16 underwater windows for TV cameras. Right here, in 1973, the first World Championship in water polo and diving took place. Besides swimming courses, there are also schools of synchronized swimming, water polo and diving. The open stadium “Tasmajdan” has capacity for 5,000 spectators and it is designed for indoor football, basketball, fencing and volleyball. The recreation center offers programs of aerobics, fitness, massage, body building and corrective gymnastics, as well as sauna and solarium.

Sport: Swimming and Diving

http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_tas.jpg


SPORTS CENTER “25. MAJ”

It has 2 outdoor swimming pools (recreational and water polo), 2 indoor swimming pools (Olympic, with 600 seats and a small one for swimming courses and therapeutic purposes). The supplemental programs are: mini golf, table tennis, beach volleyball and open bowling field. It also has 2 enclosed sport halls for basketball and indoor football, 8 tennis courts and 2 concrete courts. It has all necessary supplements (dressing rooms, restaurant, club, press center). Physical-sauna unit is equipped for physical therapy, sauna, hand massage, hydro massage and solarium.

Sport: Tennis - Competition venue and Water Polo, Swimming - Practice venue

http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_25maj.jpg

SPORTS RECREATIONAL CENTER “BANJICA”

The center has an enclosed Olympic swimming pool (with 2,000 sitting and 1,000 standing places for spectators), two open Olympic swimming pools and 6 tennis courts. As supplemental, the center has a medical center, sauna, hydro massage, recreation room, weight room. The center is designed for sport competitions: water polo, swimming, synchronized swimming, as well as tennis tournaments.


Sport: Water Polo

http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_banjica.jpg

[b]SPORTS CENTER “ZVEZDARA”

The center has a sport hall and a recreation hall, as well as a number of open sport fields: 4-track field for athletics, mini golf, fields for indoor football and handball, basketball field and volleyball field. The open swimming pool complex consists of four pools - for swimmers, non-swimmers, children and diving. The tennis complex consists of 7 hard courts and 2 concrete courts. The summer amphitheatre has capacity of 1,000 spectators. The large part of the “Zvezdara” Sport center consists of green areas with maintained paths, lawns, and various plants.

Sport: Tennis

http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_olymp.jpg

SPORTS CENTER “KOSUTNJAK”

This beautiful open air water sports center was completely reconstructed in 2004. It has several outdoor swimming pools , a diving platform for 1, 3, 5, and 10m jumps and springboards for 1 and 3m jumps.

Sport: Diving

http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_kosutnjak.jpg

SPORTS RECREATIONAL CENTER “11. APRIL”

It has one outdoor and one indoor swimming-pool, stands for 1,000 spectators.

Sport: Recreational Venue for Athletes

http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_11.jpg


ADA CIGANLIJA Island and Lake

Once and island that has been turned into a peninsula, Ada Ciganlija lies not far from the mouth of the Sava river, only 4km from the city center. Covered by thick deciduous forest, and speckled with clearings and meadows, Ada is now the largest, most beautiful and preferred outing area, beach and leisure spot of the Belgraders. Some authors indicate that the name of the island has its origin in the combination of Celtic words singa (island) and lia (submerged ground), giving one word singalija... Gradually the spelling changed into tzingalia, hence Ciganlija. Ada Ciganlija was appreciated as an unusual natural resource, even back at the time of Karadjordje and prince Milos Obrenovic, and Ada was proclaimed public domain in 1821, preserving this status to present day. In 1967 dams were built on both tips of the island thus giving Belgrade a unique 4,2km long lake with an the average width of 200m and the depth of 4-6 m. During the summer, nearly 300,000 people come here to swim or engage in other recreational activities. The overall Ada Ciganlija area, which includes the smaller island of Ada Medjica and the surrounding waters, is 800 hectares. The beach on the left bank of the lake is fully equipped with all necessary infrastructure objects. Thus it is one of the largest and most beautiful beaches on artificial lakes in Europe. The lake water is warmer and cleaner than the river water and thus the lake is highly suitable for mass recreational activities. The position, the quality of the water, the existing equipment and the length of the lake make it an ideal site for top rank competitions on calm waters. The lake is suitable for swimming, rowing, kayak, water polo, water diving, sailing competitions, and several national and international championships were held here. Ada Ciganlija has 50 different open-air sports fields. Ada Ciganlija also serves as a cultural and entertainment center of Belgrade, especially during the summer. Numerous manifestations are organized, involving famous writers, actors, singers, cultural societies, choirs, bands and amateurs from different fields. The Ada Ciganlija offer is completed by dozens of rustic restaurants, floating restaurants and boathouses that preserve the Belgrade’s bohemian tradition. On the mainland side of the lake, there’s a parking place for about thousand vehicles as well as the marina in the Cukarica channel for boats, yachts and smaller ships. Ada Ciganlija also has shops, picnic spaces, bowling alleys, mini-golf courts, bungee jumping tower, horse-drawn carriages, a tourist train, pedal boats and canoes, as well as the environment-friendly electric-powered boat.


Sport: Rowing

http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_ada.jpg

http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_ada1.jpg

SPORTS ARENAS


PHYSICAL CULTURE CENTER “VRACAR”

This center has the following facilities: a big hall, martial arts hall, 3 weight rooms, enclosed swimming pool and sauna, sunbathe terrace, small swimming pool and two dancing rooms. Besides the main building there is a separate complex of tennis courts, protected by inflatable cover during winter. The building at 69, Bulevar Crvene Armije Street has only dressing rooms, while around it, there are tennis courts, handball and basketball fields, as well as a separate building offering all necessary programs, and a balloon for indoor football.


Sport: Fencing

http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_vracar.jpg

SPORTS CENTER “VOZDOVAC”

The center has a universal sport hall for handball, volleyball and table-tennis competitions, as well as for bowling and martial arts. The hall has 2,300 seats. The center has also a training hall, 6 tennis courts, air gun shooting hall, weight room, recreation room, sauna, dressing rooms, club and a restaurant.

Sport: Judo

http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_vozdovac.jpg

BELGRADE ARENA

The biggest sport hall in Belgrade is designed as a universal hall for all sport events: basketball, handball, volleyball, tennis, athletics, as ice hall and a hall for cultural events and other programs. The constructive solution of the roof structure is for the time being unique in the world. The total covered space is 47,500m2. The Belgrade`s Arena complex consists of:
- large hall 20,000-23,000 seats
- small hall 2,500 seats - Volleyball
- commercial and press centre
- parking place for 1,200 vehicles.

http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_arena.jpg


SPORTS HALL “PIONIR”

Designed for all indoor sports, with 7,000 seats. The following competitions may take place here: gymnastics, basketball, volleyball, handball, tennis and martial arts. It has all auxiliary facilities (dressing rooms, medical center, club).

The Ice Hall Designed for all ice sports, having main and auxiliary courts, as well as all subsidiary facilities. The hall has 1,000 seats.

Sport: Gymnastics

http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_pionir.jpg


SPORTS HALL “PINKI”

It is designed for various sports: basketball, volleyball, handball, martial arts, table tennis, rhythmic gymnastics, etc. This complex has two open recreational basketball fields, air gun shooting room, fitness center, ballet studio and swimming pool. The hall has 1,980 seats plus 600 group seats and 6 telescopic platforms used for martial arts tournaments.

Sport: Basketball

http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_pinki.jpg


SPORTS HALL “NOVI BEOGRAD”

Beside a universal hall with 5,000 seats, it also has a football field, 2 basketball fields, and 2 indoor football fields. It also has supplemental facilities: weight room, fitness club, 2 martial arts halls, dressing rooms, restaurant and club.

Sport: Basketball

http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_nbg.jpg

This summer, construction cranes will go up on ALL of these venues...they will be renovated & modernized for the Univesiade which is still more than two years from now.

Also, a batch of entirely new sports complexes will be built , including the new Athletics stadium in Belgrade and a new sports arena of 5.000 capacity in Pancevo, a nearby city.

Also, as this competition calls for 12.000 athletes from all around the World spending a few weeks in Belgrade, the construction of the new Athletes Village has just kicked-off this month. (new mall construction in the background of the photo)

http://www.x-build.net/4images/data/media/1/070610-b67-25.jpg

Photo courtesy of BEOUBILD.net

Anyone have any idea what the biggest temp stand/stadium ever built was? As a definition of temp, I'll put down that the stand must have been taken down within a year of it's completion.

Best I've got is:

Stadiums:
The Beach Volleyball stadium on Bondi Beach, Sydney for the 2000 Olympics was a 10k seater, and was dismantled after 6 weeks...

The Adidas Arena in Berlin, built for Germany 2006 - no games played there but lots watched on big screens. Approx 10-14k seats. (not sure). Dismantled at end of tournament.

Stands:
The two ends of the Sydney Olympic Stadium, taking about 7.5k spectators each (guess), pulled down shortly after the end of the comp.

Anyone know any larger?

loved!! mainly Belgrade Arena... i already saw it on TV, Volleyball world league and Eurobasket

:cheers:

We Serbs & Brazillians may live far away from each other, but we definately share one thing ....OUR love...for SPORTS:yes:

If i remember correctly the Beijing Olympic Stadium will have 20000 temp seats

The temp stands in DKR this season will be roughly 8,000.

35-40,000 of the seats in the Olympic Stadium in Atlanta in 1996 were temporary. It sat 85,000 for the Olympics, and a year later it was a 45-50,000 seat baseball stadium.

1996 Olympics:
http://olympics.ballparks.com/1996Atlanta/aerial.jpg

1997 Turner Field:
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/147/ATL~Turner-Field-Atlanta-Georgia-Posters.jpg

I believe Chicago's proposed Olympic Stadium for 2016 call for all but 5-10,000 seats to be temporary.

Nothing against the design of the bowl in an abstract way (its very unique, and has good proximity as well as solid sightlines) , but in the context of the original Soldier Field its an abomination. Soldier Field was one of THE cathedrals of Football, with its monumental neoclassical elegance and history. I feel crashing a space ship looking abstract bowl that towers over the old colonnades an affront to history and tradition. To be fair this isn't the first renovation that hurt aesthetics, ever since the 50's each subsequent renovation has hurt the overall aesthetic of Soldier. If it were on its own, or atleast not in a neoclassical beauty it would be great, but thats not the case.


^^ :banana: ^^ I couldn't agree more. I love the inside of the stadium. As a Bears fan the atmosphere is just incredible. And I'd love the stadium as a whole....if it was built on another site and not in the middle of a (now former) historic landmark. The outside is just...disgusting. They might as well have just torn the colonnades down. Growing up they looked so huge and imposing as a backdrop during Bears games. Now driving by the stadium it's just a depressing sight.

Talk about nosebleed section up in the far corner of that big stand @ Soldier Field. :lol:

I know it's not built yet, but isn't London's Olympic stadium going to be reduced to 20,000 after the games?

University of Phoenix Stadium put up a couple rows of seats in the south endzone during Arizona Cards games. They fill the South endzone and North Upperdeck for the Fiesta Bowl and the upcoming Super Bowl XLII (42).

If Soldier Field were a new stadium you might say it was ok or pretty good. But they did that so Soldier Field, one of the classic old stadiums! I hope somebody was fired for this.

The Dubai Exiles rugby ground has a 28,000 temporary stadium erected every year to host the Dubai 7s rugby competition. and it dismantles it every year.

Ridiculous arrangement (and a dangerously overcrowded place as well IMHO) although a great time:cheers: .

Next year the tournament is to move to a permanent stadium in Dubia Sports City.:ohno:

Taylor Field in Regina Saskatchewan was expanded for the Grey Cup in 1995. The capcity went from 27637 to 54000 for the game. The following year the stadium was reduced to 28000 seats.

Most Canadian host cities add temp seating for the Grey Cup. Often in the 20000 to 30000 range.

I'd bet some Grand Prix's hold these records. Especially street courses like Long Beach.

^^ :banana: ^^ I couldn't agree more. I love the inside of the stadium. As a Bears fan the atmosphere is just incredible. And I'd love the stadium as a whole....if it was built on another site and not in the middle of a (now former) historic landmark. The outside is just...disgusting. They might as well have just torn the colonnades down. Growing up they looked so huge and imposing as a backdrop during Bears games. Now driving by the stadium it's just a depressing sight.

Well, I will gladly give you your old stadium back if you fly that space ship and land it inside the Cotton Bowl.

I'd bet some Grand Prix's hold these records. Especially street courses like Long Beach.I remember when I visited the Jacques Villeneuve F1-circuit in Montréal, that I didn't see any stands at all. During the F1 it has quite a high capacity.

In Belgium, the Charleroi stadium had 30,000 seats during the Euro 2000 tournament. Afterwards they removed the third tier (holding 5,000 seats) of one of the stands and lowered the roof. That tier got a second life at the local outdoor velodrome.

I want to see some pictures! :gaah:

:cheers:

We Serbs & Brazillians may live far away from each other, but we definately share one thing ....OUR love...for SPORTS:yes:

hehehehe mainly for soccer, Basketball and Volleyball!!

Ok, let's stop calling Football with this terrible foreign word ^^

What's Universiade ?

I like this venue
http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_arena.jpg

What's Universiade ?

Oh no, you didn't just ask that. :j/k:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universiade
The Universiade is an International multi-sport event, organized for university athletes by the International University Sports Federation (FISU). The name is a combination of the words "University" and "Olympiad". The Universiade is often referred to in English as the World University Games or World Student Games.

I was gonna say, they better do something about these venues. It will be nice to see them all after renovation.

Ok! Thanks, never heard of it before, sorry :)

Don't worry, we haven't either (ok, Zagreb hosted it back in late 80's) but we'll use it as an excuse to upgrade our sports & transport infrastructure for future events.:yes:

20.000 seat stadium U/C in Belgrade satellite city of Smederevo:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/Pupin11/Sartid.jpg

Ok, let's stop calling Football with this terrible foreign word ^^

What's Universiade ?

I like this venue
http://www.universiade-belgrade2009.org/common_images/venue_arena.jpg


It´s a "Olympic Games" played by university students..

I was going to write Football... I hate Soccer... hehehe

Weren't the endzone stands at Telstra about 15,000 each for the Olympics? I thought they had about 30,000 temporary seats total.

New bridge over Sava river, crucial for relieving traffic at Belgrade's existing bridges and providing transport links to newly built infrastructure:

It will have six road lanes and two rail lines reserved for future light rail (LRT) line, with a pylon of 200 meters in height. Construction starts later this year, to be finnished in time for Summer 2009 - hopefully:D

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I'm very curious about Serbian sport venues

New sports arena of 3.000 capacity & hotel in Belgrade's "Students City":
Project worth 20 million euros.

http://www.x-build.net/4images/data/media/1/hall-sc.jpg

New stadium for Partizan Belgrade - the old one will be torn down and a new built at a cost of 300+ million euros. Capacity will be expaned to ~40.000:

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/3776/b17qg.jpg

Australian Grand Prix around most of the circuit especially the main strait has mostly temp stands. Don't know the capacity.

To me this seems like madness. The summer Universiade is an event that hardly anybody outside the old communist world has heard about. The event will not be broadcasted in any western country and Serbia will not get anything back for al the expenses with renovating their arenas.

I have actually seen most of the arenas and I am sorry to say that for most of them it would most likely have been cheaper to pull them down and build new ones. The Red Star Stadium as an example, doesn’t have any of the facilities needed for an international stadium, except of seats inside the stadium. No infrastructure outside, no VIP facilities and no media facilities. The stadium looks like there has been no maintenance the last 30 years.

The only top international arena you have is the Belgrad Arena, which is fantastic. Not that I think you need top arenas to host a university competition, but I am afraid you will spend a lot of money on re-construction of arenas that were modern 30 years ago, that will never become good enough for “real” international competitions.

Serbia is depending on aid from abroad, just to survive and a lot of people do not have income enough for a reasonable ok life. I can’t understand how they accept their politicians wasting money this way.

I wish all the best for the people of Belgrade, but I do not think this is the best use of money.

New stadium for Partizan Belgrade - the old one will be torn down and a new built at a cost of 300+ million euros. Capacity will be expaned to ~40.000:

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/3776/b17qg.jpg

Amazing project, really good for Belgrade, when is it expected to be finished?

Amazing project, really good for Belgrade, when is it expected to be finished?

According to the Partizan board 2010 (knowing the Partizan board id say never would be soon enough, they've been showing different plans for 10 yrs now ). This of course means it can't be used as a venue for the universiade, but for some reason the organizers just like having a photo of the current stadium in their presentation. :ohno:

According to the Partizan board 2010 (knowing the Partizan board id say never would be soon enough, they've been showing different plans for 10 yrs now ). This of course means it can't be used as a venue for the universiade, but for some reason the organizers just like having a photo of the current stadium in their presentation. :ohno:

What is the economy in a stadium like that. As far as I know the attendance for Partizan matches is around 5000 except from the match against Red Star, which is the only match that fill up the present stadium.
Anyway, the plans for the new stadium looks great.

OK..a few balls have been lost in the bushes...and most of the games end as nil all draws....but there is good spectator viewing without high cost grandstand infrustructure! http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2104/45564910dy2mediumrj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

What is the economy in a stadium like that. As far as I know the attendance for Partizan matches is around 5000 except from the match against Red Star, which is the only match that fill up the present stadium.
Anyway, the plans for the new stadium looks great.

Economy?? Who ever thinks about that when you want to trick the fans into believing in a miraculous future after a couple of miserable seasons.
The 5000 average attendance this season was mainly due to free entrance. It was allowed as a way of gathering bigger crowds in what was supposed to be the last season of the current stadium. Naturally, the demolition planned for this summer has been delayed. One was supposed to have been a fool to expect anything different.:ohno:
As for the prospects of stadium capacity in Serbia thats quite a tricky issue. Both Partizan and Red Star have the potential of gathering large crowds. I still remember the days when we had 50 000 for Partizan and 80-90k for Red Star on quite a regular basis. The problem is that we have a pathetic domestic competition nowadays, compared to the old Yugoslav league which was concidered among the top 5 in Europe. Having said that, u can assume the problem... a 38 000 stadium like Partizan is planning is way beyond the club's potential, and way way above the clubs current needs.

OK..a few balls have been lost in the bushes...and most of the games end as nil all draws....but there is good spectator viewing without high cost grandstand infrustructure! http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2104/45564910dy2mediumrj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

But there's no roof over the stands

OK..a few balls have been lost in the bushes...and most of the games end as nil all draws....but there is good spectator viewing without high cost grandstand infrustructure! http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2104/45564910dy2mediumrj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Heh...I can get a front row seat with my sailboat :)

In the Phoenix metro alone we have

University of Phoenix Stadium (pro football) 64,000 - brand new state of the art
ASU Sun Devil Stadium (college fooball) 74,000
Phoenix International Raceway (nascar) 78,000
Chase Field (pro baseball) 50,000
US Airways Center (pro basketball) 19,000
Wells Fargo Arena (college basketball) 14,000
Jobbing.com Area (pro hockey) 17,700 - also brand new
Peoria Stadium (baseball) 12 800
HoHoKam Park (baseball) 12 600
Scottsdale Stadium (baseball) 11 200
Surprise Stadium (baseball) 10 500
Tempe Diablo Stadium (baseball) 9,800

All this in one metro area, a quite unremarkable metro area.

The USA. They have many football, baseball, basketball, and even a few soccer stadiums now and most of them are in top condition, and more are being made.

At first I wasn't sure what it meant by stadium infrastructure, but I now it is about the designs. Honestly, does design really matter when it comes to stadiums and arenas? Just b/c it looks the best doesn't mean that it is the best. Usually, when new state of the art places like this are built, it means that ticket prices will go from steep to expensive. Pretty soon, we will probably just be watching sporting events at home rather than going to the games themselves due to the prices. All places are the same on the inside with the same concourses. Please do not grill me for saying this, b/c this is just my take on stadium infrastructure.

Definately the US. In Latin America, It would be between Argentina, Brazil, Colombia and Mexico.

Pueba

3 same threads

Copa America is going to start on tuesday, are all the venues completely finished?

Barquisimeto's Metrpolitan Stadium

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z149/beachpow2/DSC06292.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z149/beachpow2/DSC063502090x507.jpg

Maturin's Monumental Stadium

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8615/dsc073252fi7.jpg

Caracas Olympic Stadium

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r293/rcammalleri/P1040950.jpg

Total Entretaiment Center "Cachamay Stadium"

http://img137.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-9299/loc586/21303_P1010050_122_586lo.JPG

http://i.pbase.com/g6/83/661083/2/80954736.pggsAgzb.jpg

Pueblo Nuevo Stadium

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/6537/dsc01026ar0.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/4771/pano2za2.jpg

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/2967/michexd022jp3.jpg

General, Jose Antonio Anzaotegui Stadium

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x73/jr_guevara/P1010320.jpg

Merida's Metropolitan Stadium

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7944/estadiovenezuelamv5.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4590/panoramicaux6.png

Agustin Tovar Stadium, La Carolina Barinas

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z135/kopfen/Yoenelestadio2.jpg

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/8678/imagen039tp0.jpg

Jose Encarnacion "Pachencho" Romero Stadium

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/ray_alessandro/Pachencho/P1020583.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/ray_alessandro/Pachencho/P1020632.jpg


Some Pictures are a few weeks old, others are several weeks old, two stadiums will not be compleatly done by the moment of the cup, but they will be avalible to host the games...

Pueba
ahh?

England
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8138/42425188hillsboroughpa4ob6.jpg

England by far (in Europe). I don't know the US stadia.

by far :lol:

Well in latinamerica the best stadium infrastructue goes to Mexico and probably Venezuela. In Mexico there are many modern soccer, baseball, basketball and football stadiums.
Venezuelan stadiums had been renewed for the Copa América, and they also have some baseball stadiums.

For me, Germany in Europe, USA in the world. UK and Australia have good infrastructures too. If compared with the size of the country, Netherlands and Portugal are well served.

But in Europe, all cities have big football stadia (Milan, Paris, London, Munich, Amsterdam, Lisbon, Moscow...). It's difficult to say which is the best because there are 4/5 countries (UK, Germany, Spain, France, Italy) with good infrastructures networks and other with some top class infrastructure.

[QUOTE=jef;13951667]England by far (in Europe). I don't know the US stadia.[/QUOTE
:ohno:

I think the issue of infrastructure is getting confused with who has the biggest / newest stadiums. I don't dispute that thanks to the World Cup Germany has some excellent, modern football grounds. Infrastrucure is about more than just that however. My own home city of Birmingham currently has;
Football
Villa Park (43,000)
St Andrews (30,000)
The Hawthorns (27,000)
Cricket
Edgbaston (23,000)
Athletics
Alexandra Stadium (12,000)
Indoor Arenas
NEC (10,000)
NIA (10,000)

This is in a city with a population of about 1 million people, and discounts modern stadia within the wider metropolitan area in Coventry, Walsall and Wolerhampton. Whilst in and of themselves none of the above are truly world class, they are all perfectly designed for the events they accommodate. The situation in Birmingham is by no means the best in Britain, with London (obviously), Manchester, Glasgow, Leeds, Newcastle, Nottingham all having the equivalent or better. How many German cities realistically have these numbers of stadiums, all of which have or are capable of hosting international competition (Berlin? Munich?)

The fact is that most countries have completely different sporting cultures, and the stadium infrastructures have developed accordingly. In this respect Britain probably more resembles the US model for having a number of stadia in each city, all catering for different sports. They might not be the best in the world for facilities etc., but they are the stadia best suited to our needs.

For Birminghams size I think it was poorly served with stadiums. Villa Park although a smart stadium is still fairly small and dated. Less said about St Andrews the better, the indoor arenas are no match for the MEN Arena or O2 in London. I all fairness to Germany they have no need for cricket stadiums, they do have decent arenas and their stadiums are comparable to ours. Has a German club ever thougth of making a stadium out of denim, like German club supporters wear? A denim stadium with patches and badges all over it.

England
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8138/42425188hillsboroughpa4ob6.jpg

I see the London 2012 Olymic swimming pool is already functioning

Did you actually read what I said?

Kind of, picked through the bones, imagined some, added other bits to suit my purpose. I lost track half way through

Two days in, so far so good. Some pretty good matches and one dreadful one. The stadia look good so far. However, we're waiting to see how the new ones in Maturin and Barquisimeto will play, since they're both true football grounds.

I see the London 2012 Olymic swimming pool is already functioning

why would it be in sheffield lol

More american stadiums

http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/USA/Seahawks.jpeg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/USA/Seahawks_A.jpeg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/USA/Seahawks_A2.jpeg
^^ Qwest stadium, Seattle USA