100,000 people in the MCG (Melbourne Australia) gives a great atmosphere with all seated in individual comfort.....Remember this is not designed for Soccer,rugby or gridiron etc....but Australian Rules Football (150 years history here) which uses a much bigger oval playing area......it was the main stadium for the 2006 Commonwealth Games, so here is a pic with it set up for the Athletics and running track.....oh yeah..and they play Cricket here in the Summer.

I thought the name MCG stood for Melbourne Cricket Ground? Although the majority of sport played is AFL, cricket was the first game played there, so surely the ground was designed originally for the 'Gentlemans game'?

The Igloo (er... Mellon Arena) in Pittsburgh. We had seats in the second deck. The upper deck completely blocks your view of the other half of the ice (you can see the overhang to the left and right in the pictures). We had to send someone down to the front row to check times on penalties and for the game. Glad to see Pitt is finally getting a new indoor arena.

http://hockey.ballparks.com/NHL/PittsburghPenguins/interior.jpg

I am from Barbados, so I will say Kensington Oval in Barbados is one of the best stadiums in the Caribbean. The re-developed Kensington Oval is quite a modern sporting venue. Kensington Oval was re-developed and re-opened around March 2007, in time for the 2007 ICC Cricket World Cup held in the West Indies. Barbados hosted some matches at Kensington Oval, including the finals. Since that time Kensington Oval has been used for the regional (Caribbean/West Indies) Carib Beer Cricket series. While cricket is the main sport played at Kensington Oval, the venue will also be used for other sports such as football (soccer). The first soccer game to be held at the re-developed Kensington Oval will be on Wednesday 26 March 2008 when Barbados play Dominica in the 2nd leg of the CONCACAF zone for the 2010 Football World Cup qualifiers. Kensington Oval currently seats around 12,000 people.

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7349/img0863editjc9.jpg

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1245/img0914editcy9.jpg

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As for indoor arenas, the Wildey Gymnasium in Barbados is one of the best in the Caribbean. The Wildey Gymnasium (pictured below) seats 4,000 people and is the largest indoor arena on the island. Many events are held here such as basketball and volleyball games as well as musical concerts.

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1240/wildeygym12editso9.jpg

When you say worse stadium I presume you mean for a number of different reason and not 100% related to asthetics. If you do mean that then if you ever sat in the main stand at fratton park with your knees up to your chin then thats bad but the stand is historical and i like it. The same at fulham craven cottage old stand.
Crystal palace-selhurst park not an outstanding stadium or particularly bad but to get there from the north is a nightmare!
The list goes on and than you realise from a spectator point of view there are very few if any newly (last 10 years) constructed bad stadiums although for sure there sre some ugly ones.

Bryant-Denny Stadium. Truly historic (built in 1929, home of 12 national college football champions), very loud, and sold out for every game since 1988. Even filled to capacity for a glorified scrimmage. Holds 92138.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/timNem_2006/Bryant-Denny_NightAerial-UH06-2copy.gif
http://www.dadot.com/projectimages/bd_2.jpg

[QUOTE=eMKay;19171844]I have two, the rockpile (Buffalo War Memorial Stadium...That would be FIRST world war) I was there in the last year it was used, 1987, and it was in terrible shape. Torn down soon after, nobody misses it as it was replaced by the best stadium in the minor leagues.

I took none of these pics
http://www.baseballforum.com/attachments/baseball-history-teams-yester-year/43d1151044270-war-memorial-stadium-buffalo-1988-war-memorial-stadium-buffalo-color

http://www.frontiernet.net/~rochballparks/buffalo/87_3rdbaseside.jpg

http://www.frontiernet.net/~rochballparks/buffalo/87_oneentrance.jpg

http://www.frontiernet.net/~rochballparks/buffalo/87_roofelement.jpg


That is (was) the WORST "thing" I have ever seen.

The team more then the stadium:bash:
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/lou/galleries/general_pjcs_060205/pjcsemptycornervieww-lg.jpg

i usually like the old "memorial" type stadia or collessium stle venue ... but this fuckin sucked what was the roof all about it might not had looked as bad without the ridiculous roof !!! rockpile ...shitpile more like

btw boundary park, oldham is wank, been there a few times once in the executive suites ( portacabins with windows on stilts ) and its pants

Hey benn, Uk just recently got an estimate on a new arena. However the estimate they got was only on a 24,000 person arena. That would be dissapointing to tear down rupp and only expand by 1000 people.

I got two words for ya...

Camden Yards

http://www.thebirdwatch.com/archives/100_0101.jpg

http://www.ce.jhu.edu/baltimorestructures/Camden%20Yards/IMG_0915.JPG

http://www.baltimore-maryland.org/images/gallery/orioles-stadium-camden-yards0.jpg

http://www.cinderblockonline.com/images/Oriole-Park.jpg

Hey benn, Uk just recently got an estimate on a new arena. However the estimate they got was only on a 24,000 person arena. That would be dissapointing to tear down rupp and only expand by 1000 people.

Dissapointing indeed, I would imagine they could get a solid 27,000 through the SEC season, you know assuming Gillespie gets some improvement over this past season.

Yeah i assume we will go 21-9 next season, but i wish they could have build over 30k. We would still sell out every game.

Subiaco Oval

the old Wembley was totally shite.......piss flowing down the walls and a crap view(thanks to the dogtrack and a fence around the perimeter)

p.s..somebody tell me whats wrong with Shea staduim,looks fookin fine to me

Thought I would complete the set !
We had best, worst, now which stadium would you really like to go to that you have never set foot in and only seen in pictures or a future stadium that you have only seen renderings.

For me numero uno without doubt- New Panathinaikos stadium.
Existing stadiums, well due to my work of course I have been to almost all of them that I want to in Europe so I would have to say-Mile high stadium Denver.

you' re all stealing my idea!! i started with "the best stadium you' ve been to"!!! but since i'm here, i would say camp nou ^^ .....

Beijing Olympic Stadium

1. Nuevo Mestalla
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/2852/estadioup0.jpg

2. Santiago Bernabeu
http://img2.dcinside.com/viewimage.php?id=football_new&no=29bcc427b48177a16fb3dab004c86b3ba4b330db4f83646639c685273becff5e2fec30d3c6ebcdd3522fe7a7fbbaf48ac7d4246e0f80f2a11031119f8ae2e45f51da03dcafde19b44425f5a7b9213630584fbfd2ba&f_no=7feb8570b58b6bf03d8081b712d3206eff9587c66ab6538b97c2

3. Allianz Arena
http://img2.dcinside.com/viewimage.php?id=football_new&no=29bcc427b48177a16fb3dab004c86b3ba4b330db4f83646639c685273becff5e2fec30d3c6ebcdd3522fe7a7fbbaf48ac7d4253a5582a7a41d6311ccd0bbbb0e57c28f8879321ded2433ec8b&f_no=2cb1dc2fe4dc22a77cbad8b4479f2e2d70

4. Old Trafford
http://img2.dcinside.com/viewimage.php?id=football_new&no=29bcc427b48177a16fb3dab004c86b3ba4b330db4f83646639c685273becff5e2fec30d3c6ebcdd3522fe7a7fbbaf48ac7d4253b05d2f4fb456211e2e8f9b81f2e&f_no=02899e2cf5d5

European Stadiums.

1. Old Trafford. I'm a Manchester United supporter from the United States, who has never been to Europe - I'd love to be able to see my favorite team in action in their home.

2. Wembley Stadium - it's simply beautiful, probably one of, if not the best stadium out there.

3. Camp Nou - just for the sheer size of it.

4. LA Coliseum - a historic stadium which can very well be considered the United States' national stadium.

5. AT&T Park, San Francisco - it's probably the nicest baseball stadium I haven't yet seen in person.

6. Millenium Stadium, Cardiff - I always liked it, I have to say.

7. Estadio Santiago Bernabeu - Beautiful stadium, and plays host to a team that I'm certainly no fan of, but still would love to see in person.

8. San Siro - Especially if it were Inter against AC Milan. ;)

9. Allianz Arena - I really want to see how it shapes up in person, considering I'm sort of split on it just by looking at pictures.

10. Emirates Stadium - Hate the team, love the stadium.

11. Giants Stadium - I live in New York City and I've never seen the Jets (my favorite team) in person! I really want to go there before it closes.

12. Telstra Stadium - I would have loved to seen it in its original configuration for the Olympics, but it's still a beautiful stadium.

13. Estadio Azteca - like Camp Nou, for its sheer size.

14. Safeco Field - the best retractable roof stadium, by far.

15. Reliant Stadium - the best retractable roof stadium in football, by far.

16. Lambeau Field - it's Lambeau Field, goddammit!

17. Nationals Park/Comerica Field - if I get these two stadiums, I'll have been to every single baseball stadium in the northeast US (I was one away until they closed RFK last year).

For aesthetic reasons (with no particular order really):
1. Estadio Jose Alvelade, Lizbon
2. Estadio do Dragao, Porto
3. Estadio Municipal, Braga
4. Toyota Stadium, Toyota
5. Melbourne Rectangular
6. Ticha Stadion, Warna
7. Soccer Stadium, Kashima
8. Nelson Mandela Bay, Port Elizabeth
9. Jeonju WC Stadium, Jeonju
10. Waldstadion, Frankfurt
11. RheinEnergie, Koeln
12. LTU Arena, D-dorf
13. Aslantepe, Istanbul
It could actually go for another dozen, but let's stop here.

For supporter reasons it looks quite different:
1. Bombonera, Buenos Aires
2. Inonu, Istanbul
3. Aslantepe, Istanbul (curious)
4. Ataturk, Bursa
5. Sukru Saracoglu, Istanbul
6. Marakana, Belgrade
7. Maksimir, Zagreb
8. Poljud, Split
9. Saitama, Urawa/Saitama
10. Yurtec Stadium, Sendai
11. Kanjuruhan Stadium, Malang
12. Gelora 10 November, Surabaya
13. Lebak Bulus Stadium, Jakarta
14. Cairo International Stadium, Cairo
15. Ohene Djan Sports Stadium, Accra
16. Olímpico Monumental, Porto Alegre
17. Monumental David Arellano, Santiago
18. Stade Geoffroy Guichard, St. Etienne
19. Velodrome, Marseille
20. Celtic Park & Anfield- to check who's right about them :)

Considering that I've only been to Celtic Park and Hampden, it has to be CP.

As a season ticket holder at Parkhead I get all the Champions League tickets, and let me say that the atmosphere on one of these nights is breathtaking. When we scored last-minute winners vs Milan and Shakhtar this season, I thought the noise would have rocked the stadium to it's core.

Screw the aesthetics. A stadium is nothing without die-hard fans to fill it.

Considering that I've only been to Celtic Park and Hampden, it has to be CP.

As a season ticket holder at Parkhead I get all the Champions League tickets, and let me say that the atmosphere on one of these nights is breathtaking. When we scored last-minute winners vs Milan and Shakhtar this season, I thought the noise would have rocked the stadium to it's core.

Screw the aesthetics. A stadium is nothing without die-hard fans to fill it.

I've never been to Celic Park but whenever I see Celtic fans chant the famous "You'll never walk alone" together holding their mufflers above their heads right before the kick off, I'm thrilled. That's really what I want to see in our league.

I think their YNWA is better than Liverpool one ^^ They are really cool...

I thought that the Shea stadium sucked too. Thankfully, a new one is coming.

Aesthetics:

Santiago Bernabeu
Dragao
Olympiastadion Berlin
Olympiakó Spýros Loúis
Monumental Antonio V. Liberti
Mestalla (Old and new)


Atmosphere:

Bombonera (Boca Juniors)
Libertadores de América (Independiente)
San Siro (Milan)
Olimpico (Roma)
Georgios Karaiskakis (Olympiacos)
Ali Sami Yen (Galatasaray)
Şükrü Saracoğlu (Fenerbahçe)
Parkhead (Celtic)

+ some brazilian and polish stadium (don't really know the clubs there with the best atmosphere)

In no particular order.....

Melbourne Cricket Ground, ANZ Stadium, Dodger Stadium, Yankee Stadium (old & new), Madison Square Garden, Wembley Stadium, Emirates Stadium, Arthur Ashe Stadium

Emotional: Ali Sami Yen (will be demolished)

1. Bernabeu

2. Nou Camp

3. San Siro

4. Azteca

5. Wembley

6. Allianz

7. da Luz

8. Old Trafford

9. Reliant Stadium

10. La Bombonera

Old Trafford

Buffalo War Memorial stadium wasn't always a rockpile, it's just one of those stadiums that was expanded and modified poorly. I have no pictures from the original stadium, but there is a painting, it was almost beautiful...

http://rockpile.buffalonet.org/oldaerial.jpg

I think I may have a contender in my beloved Luton Town FCs stadium. Its truly horrible and has been in need of replacement for decades.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a5/Kenilthworth_Road.jpg/280px-Kenilthworth_Road.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Kenilworthroad.JPG/280px-Kenilworthroad.JPG

The pictures make it look almost adequate but anyone who has had the pleasure of going there will attest to its awfulness. The seats have no leg room so if you are over 6 foot tall you are in a world of hurt.

Subiaco Oval

damn you got in before me! :bash:

cant wait for the new one! :)

Allianz and Parkhead

Lansdowne Road in Dublin
Traditional greath atmosphere but definitly too old and becoming dangerous (especially the west stand).
http://www.rugbyfootballhistory.com/images/lansdowne4.jpg
http://www.rugbyfootballhistory.com/images/lansdowne5.jpg

Thanks god, rebuilding is in progress. Here is the rendering of new Lansdowne road.
http://www.rugbyfootballhistory.com/images/lansdowne6.jpg

Have to agree, eomer. I loved watching rugby at Lansdowne Road because the atmosphere was brilliant and the stands were so close to the pitch that the views were excellent. In terms of watching sport, I loved going to Lansdowne Road but it was in an awful mess when it was torn down, the facilities were really, really poor and seating in the West Stand was awful.

I think the worst stadium I've ever been to was Cliftonville's Solitude in the mid-90s. It's been improved a lot recently, but when I was last there, you were standing on crumbling terraces that, literally, had lumps of rock falling out of it. It was truely awful in those days.

Have to agree, eomer. I loved watching rugby at Lansdowne Road because the atmosphere was brilliant and the stands were so close to the pitch that the views were excellent. In terms of watching sport, I loved going to Lansdowne Road but it was in an awful mess when it was torn down, the facilities were really, really poor and seating in the West Stand was awful.

I think the worst stadium I've ever been to was Cliftonville's Solitude in the mid-90s. It's been improved a lot recently, but when I was last there, you were standing on crumbling terraces that, literally, had lumps of rock falling out of it. It was truely awful in those days.

Jus as well you've never been to the Limavady Showgrounds or Suffolk Road. A field with a wall in each case to say the least.

http://home.online.no/~smogols/ifcp/clubs/limavadyunited/pictureslimavadyunited.htm

http://home.online.no/~smogols/ifcp/clubs/donegalceltic/picturesdonegalceltic.htm

Jus as well you've never been to the Limavady Showgrounds or Suffolk Road. A field with a wall in each case to say the least.

http://home.online.no/~smogols/ifcp/clubs/limavadyunited/pictureslimavadyunited.htm

http://home.online.no/~smogols/ifcp/clubs/donegalceltic/picturesdonegalceltic.htm

LOL, what's with the barbed wire? Is that in a prison?

I thought that the Shea stadium sucked too. Thankfully, a new one is coming.

I wouldn't be surprised if most of those who are saying this hate the Mets, and would say the exact opposite if they won as many World Series as the Yankees.

I've been to Shea dozens of times. Yea it's a dump. But the stadium was perfect for the teams it housed.

Kiwibrit, yes guess your right about the Cricket at the MCG.....but it's just a personal thing I made a short note at the end of my post for that game. I just don't follow it much??? a bit slow for me....but understand many love it. The AFL is the game..150th. Season opens this weekend and some of the games have been amazing already! Feel frustrated that most of the world doesn't know what they are missing.....Lots of these other arena pics are OK but all the ground areas seem so small??? but understand baseball, gridiron and soccer only need a small area..makes stands look bigger tight around the small fields...Thats why I don't think most can comprehend the size of the MCG as they scale stands from ground size using a soccer pitch as the guide??? In Roman times there was the Colloseum..in Modern Times..the MCG...or just 'G'......!

Jus as well you've never been to the Limavady Showgrounds or Suffolk Road. A field with a wall in each case to say the least.

Good God. I'd heard Suffolk Road was bad but that is well, well beyond expectation. That is truely atrocious!

Bryant-Denny Stadium. Truly historic (built in 1929, home of 12 national college football champions), very loud, and sold out for every game since 1988. Even filled to capacity for a glorified scrimmage. Holds 92138.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/timNem_2006/Bryant-Denny_NightAerial-UH06-2copy.gif
http://www.dadot.com/projectimages/bd_2.jpg

Oh yeah...I remember watching a scrimmage after they signed that Dolphins head coach who scurried off to you guys (forgot his name). I was absolutely dumb founded, to say the least, when I saw a 90k capacity stadium sold out for essentially a practice session. That is pure passion in my opinion. Don't think many teams around the world can attract about 100 thousand people for their practice sessions.

Bryant-Denny Stadium. Truly historic (built in 1929, home of 12 national college football champions), very loud, and sold out for every game since 1988. Even filled to capacity for a glorified scrimmage. Holds 92138.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/timNem_2006/Bryant-Denny_NightAerial-UH06-2copy.gif
http://www.dadot.com/projectimages/bd_2.jpg

Oh yeah...I remember watching a scrimmage after they signed that Dolphins head coach who scurried off to you guys (forgot his name). I was absolutely dumb founded, to say the least, when I saw a 90k capacity stadium sold out for essentially a practice session. That is pure passion in my opinion. Don't think many teams around the world can attract about 100 thousand people for their practice sessions.

Grimbsy town stadium Blundell park what a dump

Bryant-Denny Stadium. Truly historic (built in 1929, home of 12 national college football champions), very loud, and sold out for every game since 1988. Even filled to capacity for a glorified scrimmage. Holds 92138.

The recent expansion makes this a truly nice stadium but just to play fair, two of those "championships" come with huge asterisks ('34 and '41) wherein at best they were shared and at worst (for Bama) the Tide held the weaker share of recognized votes as National Champion. And that glorified scrimmage that drew 92k was likely a one time event over the hoopla for the new coach. Let's see if they do it again or slip back to the 40k average. Which is good in it's own right, mind you.

Just keepin' it honest.

I can think of many, being a lower league football fan. Farnborough Town's ground is an example of many;

http://www.footballgroundz.co.uk/pictures/farnborough3.jpg

And the Shea stadium looks amazing, lots of history too. I don't know about the facilities but i think it should be renovated and retained and not demolished.

1. San Siro (Italy)
http://www.klas.ba/downloads/san%20siro%20milan.jpg

2. Maracana (Brazil)
http://newsfut.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/maracana-soccer-stadium1.jpg

3. Azteca (Mexico)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Azteca_008.gif/300px-Azteca_008.gif

4. Mayday (?)
http://www.fussballtempel.net/afc/PRK/Mayday.jpg

5. Santiago Bernabau (Spain)

6. Westfalenstadion (Germany)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2069/1651111601_4d2db12ccf.jpg

Obviously it would have to be a sell out game, i would have included Wembley, Old Trafford and Millenium Stadium if i hadn't been to them before :)

Screw the aesthetics. A stadium is nothing without die-hard fans to fill it.
Obviously not an aficionado of architecture, as this is flat-out untrue.

Yes, as sites for sporting events stadiums and arenas are more alive while in use and having the crowd create atmosphere, but the converse is also in affect that the design of the spaces can greatly impact that atmosphere, the fan experience, and, in the case of some facilities, stand alone as a work of art. (Which architecture is in part if not in whole. Just ask Vitruvius.;)) I've not been there but many a kin and friend have suggested Parkhead provides great atmosphere but as a facility it is decidedly average. It certainly isn't the most modern, has several obstructed views and the old main stand is almost obsolete. Hidden behind 60K+ fans it looks fantastic, but each individual experience may not be the same.

And I'm not just picking on Celtic here, it's a near universal axiom. Notre Dame stadium (US college football) is a decidedly drab experience, but the fans and history of the facility are top rate. Conversely, UVA's Scott Stadium or UNC's Kennan Stadium are very nice facilities in a beautiful setting, but the fan support, while devout, is rather tepid. This suggests fan support is more often dictated by the team's performance and history, and not the stadium. Celtic could play in a drab bowl but draw rabid fans and create atmosphere, while ICT could play in an architectural wonder but still struggle to draw and create the same experience. That's not the fault/cuase of the stadium, and this is why I differentiate the stadiums from the fans, similar to the discussion about Rupp Arena above.

Best stadium = best architecture
Best experience = architecture + crowd

Cheers. :cheers:

May Day Stadium is in North Korea I think.

I got two words for ya...

Camden Yards

Yea, it's incredible. Shame so many other teams ripped it off.

I got two words for ya...

Camden Yards

http://www.thebirdwatch.com/archives/100_0101.jpg

I really like the way the floodlights appear to be a on a completely unconnected building. Is the building on the right a part of the stadium complex too?

Lol we dont call those flood lights :)

In America

La Bombonera, Buenos Aires
http://www.fussballtempel.net/conmebol/ARG/La_Bombonera.jpg

Centenario, Montevideu
http://www.fussballtempel.net/conmebol/URU/Centenario_Montevideo_A2.jpg

Nacional, Santiago
http://www.fussballtempel.net/conmebol/CHL/Nacional_A3.JPG

Azteca, Ciudad de Mexico
http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/MEX/Azteca6.jpg

Rose bowl, Pasadena
http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/USA/Rose_Bowl_A.gif

The home of football...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/154/366108577_3269dd7cbc_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1247/1221200205_723665def9_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1215/525968288_5accfc3953_b.jpg

...nothing comes close.

Lol we dont call those flood lights :)

Lol. Type "stadium floodlights" into google and see what you get. Thats what we call them over here. What do you call them?

Don't argue over something so stupid, I call them floodlights too.

The warehouse is indeed part of the complex. The lower level has places to eat, a shop, a breezeway, things like that. The team rents out some of the building for its offices, but there's still regular office space up in it. It's an original building from before the stadium was build there.

Cheers for the info. It's very impressive.

Some of these American stadiums double up as small towns! I find the older ones more fascinating especially baseball grounds with their idiosyncrasies. I think that American stadiums with internal complexes seem like an intelligent way of gaining off the field revenue. Although i believe a stadium should be just that, and only that, with the focus on the pitch and not off it. I feel Wembley has addressed both of these factors well, although some of the VIP's attention during some of the games has not been on the pitch, however you can not blame the design for this.

The Walkers Stadium(Leicester City FC)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/34/108280801_589afeca73_b.jpg

Some of these American stadiums double up as small towns! I find the older ones more fascinating especially baseball grounds with their idiosyncrasies. I think that American stadiums with internal complexes seem like an intelligent way of gaining off the field revenue. Although i believe a stadium should be just that, and only that, with the focus on the pitch and not off it. I feel Wembley has addressed both of these factors well, although some of the VIP's attention during some of the games has not been on the pitch, however you can not blame the design for this.

I do like how they integrate their baseball stadiums into the area though, much more character than the many stadiums you see that appear to be in the middle of nowhere.
Wembley is an awesome stadium ( I have only seen it from a distance but even then it is truly massive) but I do look forward to seeing what it's like when the area around it is developed.

I do like how they integrate their baseball stadiums into the area though, much more character than the many stadiums you see that appear to be in the middle of nowhere.

I completely agree, theres nothing more uplifting and exciting walking through a town or city and seeing the stadium rise above the houses or buildings, almost like a cathedral for the pilgrims. For example; Goodison, Anfield, Old Trafford, St James Park, Upton Park etc. mainly the ones that haven't been built in recent years and are in fairly densely populated areas, Wembley even fits into this category (although this urban feel has changed somewhat in recent years). You just don't get the same buzz going to a stadium that is out of town, and you can park on site. It's great having brilliant facilities and no traffic and a parking space etc. but surely some of the atmosphere is lost.

Wembley is an awesome stadium ( I have only seen it from a distance but even then it is truly massive) but I do look forward to seeing what it's like when the area around it is developed.

Wembley is so big it can clearly be seen in certain parts here in Chertsey, Surrey (nearly 20 miles away)! Now that is some structure.

Lol. Type "stadium floodlights" into google and see what you get. Thats what we call them over here. What do you call them?

We call dem thangs lights:nuts: floodlights is too long!:lol:

Baseball tends to be about field proximity, comfort, ambience and unique (often old time) character for better or worse, and not about intimidation or noisy atmosphere. I have heard Shea is kind of a dump; its really big the concourses are narrow, its not the ideal shape for baseball and the upper level is just too far away for most baseball fans.

I don't know that a gimmicky Ebbets Field knock off is the best answer (going for a really unique look more in the vein of the Minnesota Twins new ballpark is the way I would have gone), but its probably an improvement.

can anybody that has been to camp nou tell a little about the experience, because i love the stadium but i have only seen it in tv.... is it as big as it looks?

If I am talking about the best stadium in confort and design i would say:
Allianz Arena
If I am talking about passion, color, vibrate, i definitely would say La Bombonera in Buenos Aires. The football experience is incredible.
I went to a BOCA JUNIORS-RIVER PLATE classic game in 1999...
I can only say A LIFE TIME EXPERIENCE..

World championships kicked off the other day, some great performances already and hugley exciting, possibly in my oppinion the most exciting Olympic discipline.

Website: http://www.worldtrackcycling.com/index.php

Womens team sprint
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/7317823.stm

World Record - mens sprint - BBC I-player - streams straight away


Defending World Champion from USA Sarah Hammer in the final against Rebecca Romero - Olympic medalist in rowing at the 2004 Olympics

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/7317861.stm

...err molly this section's for stadiums and silly arguing only. Post it in the sports field of the skybar???

Craven cottage for me:

http://www.uf.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/DSC00744.JPG

jajaja i live in buenos aires since 1993 and i have never been to a Superclasico :S

Allianz Arena, Munich:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3132/2298940406_0114987c29_b.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/68/204709580_6e65a65d37_b.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/190/468488233_140490acd6_o.jpg

It can change the colours:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2274/2094461497_531086171f_b.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/186/468929423_e695f85dc4_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/135/326055725_bbd3cc5311_b.jpg
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/7766/2225752973aa6cb32d29bay8.jpg

jajaja i live in buenos aires since 1993 and i have never been to a Superclasico :S

How come?? you are there and you never go??
wow, i would go the stadium every 15 days..

What can I say...Allianz Arena is a real gem!!! Congrats to its constructors!!!
...of course...being a greek, I am proud for the Athens Olympic Stadium "Spiros Louis", one of the best in the world....pics were taken from www.stadia.gr...enjoy:

http://www.stadia.gr/oaka/oakaworks39.jpg

http://www.stadia.gr/oaka/oakaworks40.jpg

http://www.stadia.gr/oaka/oakaworks34.jpg

http://www.stadia.gr/oaka/oakaworks37.jpg

http://www.stadia.gr/oaka/oakaolympics1.jpg

Even from the air, at night, the Allianz arena is impressive

Spiros Louis is really awesome with the new roof.
Anyone has pics of it before the reconstruction?

Craven cottage for me:

http://www.uf.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/DSC00744.JPG

That craven cottage looks like a great place to watch a game btw!

How come?? you are there and you never go??
wow, i would go the stadium every 15 days..

That's because im neither boca fan nor river fan.... im a san lorenzo fan, so i really dont care what happens in the superclasico

About allianz arena, i think the outside is beautiful, i saw a picture taken during winter, after a snowfall, and the stadium looks madeof snow too...., but i dont like the inside that much ( what's up with those awful grey seats?)

The inside reminds me of Twickenham with a slightly nicer roof.

the worst stadium I have been in my life is in Argentina. It belongs to Estudiantes de la plata, it can holds more than 10,000, the team plays in the first division and the stadium is made of wood!!! I was standing literally on a piece of wood that was bouncing because of the jumping of the fans. The worst piece of crap I have ever seen...

...but i dont like the inside that much ( what's up with those awful grey seats?)

You're right, they're really awful. Just like the fences and those nets.

They should remove the fences, the nets and replace the grey seats with red seats, that would look way better.

the worst stadium I have been in my life is in Argentina. It belongs to Estudiantes de la plata, it can holds more than 10,000, the team plays in the first division and the stadium is made of wood!!! I was standing literally on a piece of wood that was bouncing because of the jumping of the fans. The worst piece of crap I have ever seen...

I believe you know the stadium is being reconstructed, and Estudiantes has been playing in Estadio Unico de La Plata for more that two years now ....

From the pictures above, the Allianz is a fantastic stadium (not been there yet, though). Mind you, it does look like a huge futuristic tyre on the outside. Perhaps Michelin or Goodyear would like to sponsor it! :)

The best stadium I've been to so far, in terms of looks/architecture, is the San Siro.

the worst stadium I have been in my life is in Argentina. It belongs to Estudiantes de la plata, it can holds more than 10,000, the team plays in the first division and the stadium is made of wood!!! I was standing literally on a piece of wood that was bouncing because of the jumping of the fans. The worst piece of crap I have ever seen...

As If in Mexico there weren´t crap stadiums aswell, isnt it? :evil:

If we count the number of stadiums that smell like s*, I think we could add many mexicas stadiums, Im sure of that :okay:

I've only been to Shea and Yankees Stadium. Both are pretty bad IMO, outdated facilities. Not that they're falling apart, but they're so drab. IDK if I'm a big fan of the new Met stadium (Citifield), pretty much a generic design thanks to HOK, which has designed so many of the new stadiums with pretty much the same layout with a few different colors and minor design changes.

As If in Mexico there weren´t crap stadiums aswell, isnt it? :evil:

If we count the number of stadiums that smell like s*, I think we could add many mexicas stadiums, Im sure of that :okay:

excuse me but please double check the stadiums of the teams in the first division and the second division and you will see that we dont have stadiums made out of wood...
its great that finally they moved to the new stadium but the other stadium still exists so i answered correctly the question in the thread..

I believe you know the stadium is being reconstructed, and Estudiantes has been playing in Estadio Unico de La Plata for more that two years now ....

I know that however the stadium still exists and they stop playing there only two years ago..so i just answered the question..
The new stadium is great, finally La plata has a modern stadium..

wooden stadiums are no longer allowed in argentine first division, but they still are in second division, and i live 4 blocks away from one of them:

http://www.wrighton.com.ar/argentina/baires/200603L27.jpg

http://www.globalstadia.com/campo_ferro.jpg
only one concrete stand:
http://caballitotequiero.com.ar/supernews/FCKeditor/UserFiles/ImageDSC02849.JPG

Candlestick Park

Wow, Ferro.. i remember i went to a game there..
What happened to Ferro? Still in second division?

I have two, the rockpile (Buffalo War Memorial Stadium...That would be FIRST world war) I was there in the last year it was used, 1987, and it was in terrible shape. Torn down soon after, nobody misses it as it was replaced by the best stadium in the minor leagues.

I took none of these pics
http://www.baseballforum.com/attachments/baseball-history-teams-yester-year/43d1151044270-war-memorial-stadium-buffalo-1988-war-memorial-stadium-buffalo-color

http://www.frontiernet.net/~rochballparks/buffalo/87_3rdbaseside.jpg

http://www.frontiernet.net/~rochballparks/buffalo/87_oneentrance.jpg

http://www.frontiernet.net/~rochballparks/buffalo/87_roofelement.jpg

Isn't that where they filmed the movie The Natural?

Wow, Ferro.. i remember i went to a game there..
What happened to Ferro? Still in second division?

yes, fighting to STAY in second division....it is one of the lasts in the rnaking...

It is a shame.. Ferro was good in the past.. and i believe is the only team in the world that went directly from first division to second and then third, no?

The Metrodome in Minnesota is worst I've been too. It is ok for football but it has to be the worst baseball stadium in the major leagues. It's as sterile as sterile gets.

It is a shame.. Ferro was good in the past.. and i believe is the only team in the world that went directly from first division to second and then third, no?


mmm, maybe... i actually dont know :P. and yes, it was good... it was argentine champion in 1982 and 1984....

It is a shame.. Ferro was good in the past.. and i believe is the only team in the world that went directly from first division to second and then third, no?

Partick Thistle and Gretna of Scotland both did it. Thistle would later suffer back-to-back relegations and Gretna may not finish this season.

i creat it by my self..what your opinion?

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg122/stratusmagnus/Picture2.jpg

Wooow!!!

Awesome logos!!!

Very interesting, I like them!!

The other day I was wondering which statoid (administrative region within a country) has the highest stadium density in Europe. I think this must be Northrhine-Westphalia (NRW), which is the statoid with the largest population in Europe (excluding England). This is where NRW is located:

http://www.wn-nrw.de/laender/nrw.gif

NRW has a population of about 18 million people, and covers an area of about 34,000 square km, about the same size as the state of Maryland. Here is a list of the stadia in NRW with the highest capacities:

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/germany/nordrhein_westfalen/dortmund_westfalenstadion1.jpg

Signal Iduna Park, Dortmund (81,264)

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/germany/nordrhein_westfalen/gelsenkirchen_schalke1.jpg

Veltins Arena, Gelsenkirchen (61,027)

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/germany/nordrhein_westfalen/mgladbach_borussia1.jpg

Borussia Park, Mönchengladbach (53,148)

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/germany/nordrhein_westfalen/dusseldorf_ltu1.jpg

LTU Arena, Düsseldorf (51,500)

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/germany/nordrhein_westfalen/koln_rhein_energy1.jpg

Rhein Energie Stadion, Cologne (50,997)

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/germany/nordrhein_westfalen/uerdingen_grotenburg1.jpg

Grotenburg Stadion, Uerdingen (34,500)

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/germany/nordrhein_westfalen/bochum_ruhrstadion1.jpg

Rewirpower Stadion, Bochum (32,645)

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/germany/nordrhein_westfalen/duisburg_msv_arena1.jpg

MSV Arena, Duisburg (31,000)

Note that most of these stadia are not all-seaters, so the seating capacities can be somewhat lower. Feel free to list more stadia on sub-national level in this thread!

England is divided into nine regions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_England) for administrative purposes, including London:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/BlankMap-EnglandRegions.png/370px-BlankMap-EnglandRegions.png

London has a population of 7.5 million in 1,579 km² and has ten stadia with a capacity over 25,000 (all all-seater):

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/london/london_wembley2.jpg http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/london/london_twickenham2.jpg

Wembley Stadium (90,000) - Twickenham Stadium (82,000)

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/london/london_emirates1.jpg http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/london/london_stamford_bridge2.jpg

Emirates Stadium (60,000) - Stamford Bridge Stadium (42,449)

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/london/london_white_hart_lane2.jpg http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/london/london_boleyn1.jpg

White Hart Lane (36,214) - Boleyn Ground (35,056)

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/london/london_lords1.jpg http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/london/london_the_valley1.jpg

Lord's Cricket Ground (28,000) - The Valley (27,111)

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/london/london_craven2.jpg http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/london/london_selhurst_park1.jpg

Craven Cottage (26,600) - Selhurst Park (26,309)

I think London has a far, far higher stadium density!

Northrhine-Westphalia has, in my opinion, 5 of the finest stadiums in Europe.

NRW has 8 stadiums and London has 10 but 2 of 10 stadiums in London are non fooball arenas - Selhurst Park and ILord's Cricket Ground - so regarding football the two have the same 8 stadiums.

Comparing the football stadiums of each region, I think, NRW defeats London from the "mode" point of view. The mode(the value which occurs most frequently in a certain data set) for NRW is 30Ks or 50Ks but for London less than 30K.

BTW this interesting thread has only 4 views so far. I can't believe nobody is interested in this!!!!

NRW has 8 stadiums and London has 10 but 2 of 10 stadiums in London are non fooball arenas - Selhurst Park and ILord's Cricket Ground - so regarding football the two have the same 8 stadiums.

Selhurst Park is a football stadium (Crystal Palace). Twickenham however, is not. This does not matter though, this thread is about stadiums, not just football stadiums.

Twickenham is a football stadium, just not an association football stadium.

Twickenham is a football stadium, just not an association football stadium.

Maybe rugby union is classified among football family in England?

CharlieP is right, Rugby Football is one of several football codes.

CharlieP is right, Rugby Football is one of several football codes.

Really? So far I thought that only American football is such a case.

Association Football (aka Soccer)
Australian Rules Football
American Football
Canadian Football
Rugby Union
Rugby League

Did I forget any?

Gaelic football.

Does Futsal count?

Football has so many kinds in its family.

Yep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football#Present_day_codes_and_.22families.22

Texas and California should be listed here too as both have a massive amount of stadiums.

I'm going to pick Yorkshire, England.

Land Area: 12,000 square metres
Population: Approx. 4,000,000

Stadia with capacity above 20,000:

York: York Racecourse - Horse Racing - 56,000 (all seats)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/York_Racecourse_-_Stands.jpg/800px-York_Racecourse_-_Stands.jpg

Leeds: Elland Road - Football (Leeds United) - 40,200 (all seats)

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/ENG/Elland_Road.jpg

Sheffield: Hillsborough - Football (Sheffield Wednesday) - 39,900 (all seats)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Hillsborough_Stadium.jpg/637px-Hillsborough_Stadium.jpg

Sheffield: Bramall Lane - Football (Sheffield United) - 33,500 (all seats)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Bramall_Lane_End.jpg/800px-Bramall_Lane_End.jpg

Bradford: Odsal Stadium - Rugby League (Bradford Bulls) - 27,500 (5,800 seats)

http://www.bantamspast.co.uk/TheGrounds/Resources/odsalcityres1.jpeg

Hull: KC Stadium - Football / Rugby League (Hull City / Hull F.C.) - 25,400 (all seats)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg/561px-KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg

Bradford: Valley Parade - Football (Bradford City) - 25,100 (all seats)

http://www.ciderspace.co.uk/photos/grounds/bradford-valley-parade8.jpg

Sheffield: Don Valley Stadium - Athletics - 25,000 (all seats)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/DonValleyStadium.jpg/800px-DonValleyStadium.jpg

Huddersfield: Galpharm Stadium - Football / Rugby League (Huddersfield Town / Huddersfield Giants) - 24,500 (all seats)

http://www.galpharmstadium.com/images/headers/home-banner.jpg

Leeds: Headingly Stadium - Rugby Union / Rugby League (Leeds Carnegie / Leeds Rhinos) - 24,000 (5,300 seats)

http://www.leedsliveitloveit.com/Portals/0/Images/Content/Facilities/Normal/stadium-overhead.gif

Barnsley: Oakwell Ground - Football (Barnsley) - 22,500 (all seats)

http://www.sunwing.co.jp/MatchOfTheDay/stadium/s-Oakwell.jpg

There is a whole raft of grounds with a capacity of below 20,000, probably the most notable of which is Headingly Cricket Ground.

I think centre and southern Scotland in general deserves a special mention - while it cannot compete with areas Northrhine-Westphalia or cities like London in terms of stadia over a certain capacity, it does have an impressive list of sporting venues - given that the whole country of Scotland has a population less of that of London and the area to which I refer covers a smaller area than Northrhine-Westphalia. Below are a list of stadia in this area of Scotland with a capacity over 15,000.

Edinburgh: Murrayfield - National Stadium; Scotland Rugby - 67,800
Glasgow: Celtic Park - Celtic F.C. - 60,500
Glasgow: Hampden Park - National Stadium; Scotland Football - 52,100
Glasgow: Ibrox Stadium - Rangers F.C. - 51,100
Edinburgh: Tynecastle Stadium - Heart of Midlothian F.C. - 18,200
Kilmarnock: Rugby Park - Kilmarnock F.C. - 18,100
Edinburgh: Easter Road Stadium - Hibernian F.C. - 17,500
Edinburgh: Meadowbank Stadium - Multisport Venue - 16,000


Maybe rugby union is classified among football family in England?

Rugby Union is generally considered to be a form of football. Indeed, both Ireland and England's Rugby Union bodies contain the term 'football' - Irish Rugby Football Union and Rugby Football Union respectively. I've always assumed that football referred to games played 'on foot', rather than 'with the foot'.

Los Angeles definitely will be up there. From Westwood to Anaheim, a distance of about 40 miles or so, we have...

Pauly Pavilion, UCLA - 12,500
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/los_angeles_pauley.jpg

The Forum, Former home of the Lakers and Kings, 17,505
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/inglewood_forum.jpg

Hollywood Park, horse racing, around 90,000
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/hollywood_park_far.jpg

Galen Center, USC - 12,000
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/galen1.jpg

Long Beach Pyramid, 10,000 or so
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/pyramid1.jpg

Home Depot Center, LA Galaxy, Chivas USA, 27,500
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/HomeDepot2.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/home-depot-center.gif

Sports Arena, Former home of the Lakers, Kings, Clippers, USC, ancient place, 17,000
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/LosAngelesSportsArena.jpg

Fontana Speed Way, Racing, 100,000+
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/fontana_speedway.jpg

Santa Anita Race Track, Horse Racing, 90,000+
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/arcadia_santa_anita1.jpg

Dodger Stadium, LA Dodgers, 56,000
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/Dodger_Stadium.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/LA_-_DODGER_STADIUMf.jpg

Angel Stadium, LA Angels, 45,000
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/Angel_Stadium.gif
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/ana_photo.jpg

Honda Center, Anaheim Ducks, 18,000
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/31arrowheadpond.jpg

Staples Center, LA Lakers, LA Kings, LA Clippers, LA Sparks, LA Avengers, up to 20,000
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/SouthPark_Staples.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/staplescenter.jpg

Rose Bowl, UCLA Football, 92,000
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/RoseBowl2.gif

Los Angeles Colosseum's, USC Football, 92,500
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/los_angeles_rose_bowl192000.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/los_angeles_memorial192000.jpg

add in the countless high school and college arenas in the 5,000 - 10,000 seat range.

Nice to see some other lists on this thread, keep them coming! I think it's easiest if we put a map of the state/region/province at the beginning of the post, and then list the stadia in a descending order of capacity. And lets stick to states/regions/provinces, not cities, otherwise the amount of lists becomes endless! (I guess London can be considered as a region, as was shown on the map in that post. Los Angeles is not its 'own' region though I think, but is part of California?)

Northrhine-Westphalia should host a EURO CUP on their own...

In Attika region, lies Greece's capital, Athens: These are its football stadiums (all pics were taken from www.stadia.gr)...

1) Olympic Stadium Spiros Louis, 80,000 seats, Athens (Maroussi suburb). It was used several times in the past for international events such as Athens 2004 Olympics (Opening and closing ceremony, Athletics), Paneuropean Athletics, World Athletics, Champion Leag Finals, concerts etc. Now it is the home of AEK FC.
http://www.stadia.gr/oaka/oakaworks34.jpg


2) Karaiskaki stadium, 35,000 seats, Piraeus (Port city of Athens metropolitan Area). It is the home of Olympiacos FC and it is used also for concerts (eg Scorpions...)
http://www.stadia.gr/karaiskaki/karaiskaki1.jpg

3) Apostolos Nikolaidis Stadium, 16,600 seats, Athens Center. It is the home of Panathinaikos FC...
http://www.stadia.gr/leoforos/leoforos13.jpg
Now they are building a new stadium in Elaionas Area, west of Athens center...It's going to have ~40,000 seats
http://www.stadia.gr/leoforos/elaiwnas/elaiwnas1.jpg

4)Rizoupoli Foutball Stadium, 15,000 seats (Ano Patissia, North of Athens)
http://www.stadia.gr/rizoupoli/rizoupoli6.JPG

And these are the biggest and most important Indoor Stadiums used for basketball, Volleyball, Gymnastics, Athletics during winter....

1) Athens Olympic Sports Complex - Indoor Hall, 18,700 seats, Athens (Maroussi Suburb)
http://www.stadia.gr/oaka-b/kleisto_oaka6.jpg
http://www.stadia.gr/oaka-b/kleisto_oaka5.jpg
http://www.stadia.gr/oaka-b/kleisto_oaka7.jpg

2) Peace and Friendship Indoor Stadium, 11,390 seats, Piraeus
http://www.stadia.gr/sef/sefnew8.jpg
http://www.stadia.gr/sef/sefnew11.jpg

3) Hellinikon Indoor Hall, 14,500 seats, Hellinikon Suburb (Southeastern of Athens)
http://www.stadia.gr/hellinikon/hellinikon6.jpg
http://www.stadia.gr/hellinikon/hellinikon9.jpg

4) Peristeri Indoor Hall, 3,072 seats (Northwest of Athens)
http://www.stadia.gr/peristeri/peristeri7.jpg

Some other Indoor stadiums, built for the 2004 Olumpics, now are being turned into shopping malls (Galatsi Indoor Hall:http://www.stadia.gr/galatsi/galatsi-gr.html), conference centers (Faliro Indoor Hall:http://www.stadia.gr/faliro/faliro-gr.html), universities facilities(http://www.stadia.gr/anoliossia/anoliossia-gr.html)...

Soon I'll come back with stadiums form Thessaloniki....

Thessaloniki's Stadiums (Greece's second city in terms of population, about 1 mil., and economical - political importance)...all the pics were taken from www.stadia.gr...

1) Kaftatzoglio Stadium, 27,770 seats, Home of Hercules FC and main stadium of the city. It was used during the olympic football tournament in 2004.
http://www.stadia.gr/kaftanzoglio/kaftanzoglio2.jpg
http://www.stadia.gr/kaftanzoglio/kaftanzoglio1.jpg

2) Toumba Stadium, 28,701 seats, Home of PAOK FC
http://www.stadia.gr/toumba/toumba12.jpg
http://www.stadia.gr/toumba/toumba17.jpg

3) Harilaou Stadium, 23,220 seats, Home of Aris FC
http://www.stadia.gr/harilaou/harilaou8.jpg
http://www.stadia.gr/harilaou/harilaou7.jpg

Toumba and Harilaou Stadiums were used as training facilities for the olympic football tournament in 2004.

4) Kalamaria Stadium, 6,500 seats, Home of Apollon Kalamarias FC
http://www.stadia.gr/kalamaria/kalamaria8.jpg
http://www.stadia.gr/kalamaria/kalamaria9.jpg

...and now the indoor stadiums...

1) PAOK Sports Center, 8,142 seats, Home of PAOK's basketball and volleyball teams. It was also used for the European Final 4 in Basketball, in 2000.
http://www.stadia.gr/paok/kleisto_paok4.jpg
http://www.stadia.gr/paok/kleisto_paok2.jpg
http://www.stadia.gr/paok/kleisto_paok10.jpg

2) Alexander's Melathron - Indoor Hall, 5,000 seats, Home of Aris' basketball and volleyball teams.
http://www.stadia.gr/alexandrio/alexandrio6.jpg
http://www.stadia.gr/alexandrio/alexandrio7.jpg
http://www.stadia.gr/alexandrio/alexandrio10.jpg

3) Ivanofio Indoor Hall, 2,443 seats, Home of Hercule's basketball and volleyball teams.
http://www.stadia.gr/ivanofio/ivanofio.jpg
http://www.stadia.gr/ivanofio/ivanofio2.jpg

The end...

Northrhine-Westphalia should host a EURO CUP on their own...

and these could be the ten stadiums then (UEFA should re-allow standings then ;)):
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2042/stadnrwfw6.jpg

here is a list with all current stadiums with a capacity of more than 15000

name............................(official.name)......capacity...teamname(s)...........................cityname...........
Westfalenstadion................(Signal.Iduna.Park).....80708...Borussia.Dortmund.....................Dortmund...........
Arena.AufSchalke................(Veltins-Arena).........61482...Schalke.04............................Gelsenkirchen......
Stadion.im.Borussia-Park................................54067...Borussia.Mönchengladbach..............Mönchengladbach....
Rheinstadion....................(LTU-Arena).............51500...Fortuna.Düsseldorf....................Düsseldorf.........
Müngersdorfer.Stadion...........(Rheinenergiestadion)...50374...1..FC Köln............................Köln...............
Stadion.Gladbeck........................................37612...Germania.Gladbeck,.TV.Gladbeck........Gladbeck...........
Grotenburg-Stadion......................................34500...KFC.Uerdingen.........................Krefeld............
Stadion.am.Schloss.Strünkede............................32000...Westfalia.Herne.......................Herne..............
MSV-Arena...............................................31500...MSV.Duisburg..........................Duisburg...........
Ruhrstadion.....................(Rewirpowerstadion).....31328...VfL.Bochum............................Bochum.............
Stadion.auf.der.Alm.............(Schücoarena)...........26601...Arminia.Bielefeld.....................Bielefeld..........
Jahnstadion.............................................25000...unused................................Marl...............
Stadion.Rote.Erde.......................................25000...Borussia.Dortmund,.Olympia.Dortmund...Dortmund...........
Parkstadion.............................................23000...unused................................Gelsenkirchen......
Fürstenbergstadion......................................22800...STV.Horst-Emscher.....................Gelsenkirchen......
Ulrich-Haberland-Stadion........(Bayarena)..............22500...Bayer.Leverkusen......................Leverkusen.........
Georg-Melches-Stadion...................................22500...Rot-Weiss.Essen.......................Essen..............
Stadion.Niederrhein.....................................21318...Rot-Weiß.Oberhausen...................Oberhausen.........
Tivoli..................................................21300...Alemannia.Aachen......................Aachen.............
Stimbergstadion.........................................20000...SpVgg.Erkenschick.....................Oer-Erkenschwick...
Uhlenkrugstadion........................................20000...Schwarz-Weiß.Essen....................Essen..............
Stadion.Nattenberg......................................20000...Rot-Weiß.Lüdenscheid..................Lüdenscheid........
Kölnarena...............................................19500...Kölner.Haie,.VfL Gummersbach..........Köln...............
Leimbachstadion.........................................19400...Sportfreunde.Siegen...................Siegen.............
Friedrich-Ludwig-Jahn-Stadion...........................18400...SC.Herford,.Borussia.Friedenstal......Herford............
Stadion.am.Zoo..........................................18000...Wuppertaler.SV........................Wuppertal..........
Ischelandstadion........................................18000...SSV.Hagen.............................Hagen..............
Stadion.am.Hünting......................................16500...1..FC.Bocholt.........................Bocholt............
Lorheidestadion.........................................16233...SG.Wattenscheid.......................Bochum.............
Stadion.am.Hermann-Löns-Weg.............................16000...Union.Solingen........................Solingen...........
Preußenstadion..........................................15050...Preußen.Münster.......................Münster............

and these could be the ten stadiums then (UEFA should re-allow standings then ;)):

Did you make that map yourself? Looks good, that would be a great EC :cheers:. I wonder if it's actually possible, a Bundesland hosting a European Championship? It would be a great promotion for Nordrhein-Westfalen!
I wasn't aware of a new stadium in Essen and expansion of Bayer Leverkusen's stadium though? Any info on that?

Yes I made the map to show that it could be possible theorhetically ;)

for Essen's stadium, you find some pictures in the link below. 3/4 of the under tier will be a standing area (14000), the upper tier and 1/4 of the under tier all seats (18000). the international capacity (due to the standings => seats) will be around 25000 (14000 straning places => 7000 seats, that's why I additionally wrote that UEFA should re-allow standings then ;)). Construction will begin on 30th of June this year.
http://www.jawattdenn.de/stadionneubau.php3?style=4

In 2009, Leverkusen will play in Düsseldorf due to the extension works (22500 => 30000, all seats (don't know about the area for away fans)).
http://www.sport.bayer.de/de/Ausbau-BayArena.aspx

Going off on a bit of a tangent, I've just worked out that Wembley Stadium and Twickenham Stadium are less than 12 km apart. Are there two 80,000+ stadia closer together anywhere in the world?

As the title says, I think it's always a bit weird that by whatever circumstances happened there's always some teams that are quite small and low in their respective leagues, but have an absolutely massive stadium!

First obvious one is Hampden Park, Scottish National stadium with a capacity of 52,103 yet also home ground of Queens Park F.C. of the Scottish Second Division, with an average attendance of around 500!

http://www.liv.ac.uk/footballindustry/Hampden.jpg

http://www.eurostadiums.com/images/stadium/prHampdenPark_1.jpg

http://www.eurostadiums.com/images/stadium/prHampdenPark_10.jpg

Edit: I feel I should say I did search to see if there was a topic already like this, but I couldn't find one.

Zentralstadion Leipzig, home of FC Sachsen Leipzig (4th league, division Northeast-South).
Capacity 44,345; average attendance 2007/08: 3,100
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/zentralstadion-1000.jpg

Südweststadion Ludwigshafen, home of FSV Oggersheim (3rd league, division south)
Capacity 41,383; average attendace 2007/08: 1,600
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/2007/0428coggersheim/pano1000.jpg

Vestische Kampfbahn Gladbeck, home of DJK Germania Gladbeck (4th league, division Westphalia)
Capacity 37,612; average attendance 2007/08: 493
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/200708/0826gladbeck/gladbeck1000.jpg

The Emirates:lol:

My local towns stadium capacity is 7,500, yet they only have an average attendance of 50 or so.

Thats 150xless than capacity.


For example it would be as if only 506 people showed up to watch Man U at the 76,000 old trafford.

Maybe this is the best football stadium for 3rd division club in the whole world.

LTU Arena in Germany
- Club : Fortuna Düsseldorf
- Built : 2004
- Cap : 51,500
- Retractable roof

http://img2.dcinside.com/viewimage.php?id=football_new&no=29bcc427b48677a16fb3dab004c86b6f9a697bf10be0d1d76476470d345178adc5e4eac52366bd0bec7488373f5d7497357ea7eb91220aafdf6c157bdf5c60f9b964a564b9ad638daed741a436fad7dc06a964034c&f_no=7eeb817fb68a6ff63780d2ed478576386387e2060bfbd19757cd

http://img2.dcinside.com/viewimage.php?id=football_new&no=29bcc427b48677a16fb3dab004c86b6f9a697bf10be0d1d76476470d345178adc5e4eac52366bd0bec7488373f5d7497357efcb899240ff2886c157adc281af895b821995a64e0a26df972687f076ea5d7a9a8747fc7e1a57572c4caf560aa471e966634bd8d2fc6b516f62f81f19a&f_no=6898f363c4827dff4dfaf39753f0057865fe9e19d7d748a62d19af6ffa7eb5c06e439c00fdfba285

Ahh yes, and coloured seats to disguise the fact that noboddy is there.

That stadium wasn't even used in 2006 Fifa WC!

Ahh yes, and coloured seats to disguise the fact that noboddy is there.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

oh, before Leipzig built that new stadium, VfB Leipzig (now Lokomotive Leipzig) played in the old Zentralstadion with a capacity of 100,000; but with an average attendance in 1994/95 (2nd league) of 3,600:
http://www.erlebnis-stadion.de/images/stadion/pic8.jpg

EDIT: At least Düsseldorf attracts an average of around 13,000 spectators in a home game. and they are doing well in the 3rd league, they have chances to go up into the 2nd league.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/LTU_arena_-_Warsteiner.jpg/800px-LTU_arena_-_Warsteiner.jpg
and as you can see, the colored gives really the impression of a filled stadium for the first moment ;)

biggest stadium for small team, Moscow Olympic, Luzhniki stadium 80000+ home of Torpedo Moscow, crowds less than 2000:cheers: i win!

biggest stadium for small team, Moscow Olympic, Luzhniki stadium 80000+ home of Torpedo Moscow, crowds less than 2000:cheers: i win!

That's, I think, mainly because too many clubs are concentrated in Moskow. Football clubs in Russia need to be decentralized

Dolphin Stadium in Miami holds about 75,000 for football, but has been restricted down to 36,000 seats for baseball, with a maximum of 68,000 for it when all seats are opened up.

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/09/12/PH2007091202876.jpg

They averaged about 16,000 per game, but it was clear in many games that there were less than 3,000 in attendance.

Dolphin Stadium in Miami holds about 75,000 for football, but has been restricted down to 36,000 seats for baseball, with a maximum of 68,000 for it when all seats are opened up.

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/09/12/PH2007091202876.jpg

They averaged about 16,000 per game, but it was clear in many games that there were less than 3,000 in attendance.

I remember reading in a newspaper last year that Florida Marlins exaggerated the attendance in unbelievable scale. According to a reporter who counted the spectators one by one with his own fingers in top of 1st inning, it was only 375 but later he was stunned with shock that the official attendance for the game was announced "10,121" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I doubt other MLB clubs manipulate their attendances. For instance, I'd love to watch NY Yankees games. There are many cases that the official attendance was close to the full capacity(55,000) of Yankees Stadium when I found many empty seats watching the game.

To be honest I don't believe the attendance figures MLB announces are 100% correct. I feel like there is about 20-30% overestimation comparing with European football.

That's, I think, mainly because too many clubs are concentrated in Moskow. Football clubs in Russia need to be decentralized

I still win and I get a bonus because Luzhniki is actually the real home of Torpedo and my attendance stats are up to date and not from years ago:cheers:

Found this article seems we are all wrong but I still say torpedo are the smallest team in the biggest stadium because it is there stadium and they play there every week not like some of the one off matches mentioned in this article from the Guardian

The world's biggest, emptiest stadiums



Wednesday March 12, 2008
guardian.co.uk


Being a football supporter can be a lonely experience. Photograph: Graham Chadwick/Getty Images



"Everyone seems to be obsessed with record crowds nowadays," sighed Andy McKenzie, wistfully looking at photos of empty, windswept terraces. "But the other day as I was talking to a friend about Scottish lower division football, we wondered what it would be like to watch Queen's Park at Hampden. This season they have had crowds of fewer than 500 in a 52,000 capacity stadium, meaning over 51,500 empty seats. What is the record number of empty seats there have been at a major league or cup match?"

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The Knowledge inbox has been bulging (if an inbox can bulge) with bids for this particular crown. Here's our top 10:
10. Yokohama Marinos - 51,207

"The capacity of the Nissan Stadium (aka Yokohama International Stadium) is 72,372," writes Richard Finch, "and has been used by Yokohama Marinos since 1998 when the average attendance was 19,165. A quick subtraction results in an average of 51,207 unused seats." Not a bad effort, but we can do better than that ...

9. FC Amsterdam - 64,500

Over to Nick den Uijl. "In the 70s, FC Amsterdam played in the Eredivisie. Their home stadium was the Olympic Stadium in Amsterdam. They would play in front of only a handful of people. In September 1977, for instance, they lost 1-3 to FC Twente in front of 1,500 spectators. Earlier that year the Cup Winners' Cup final was played between Hamburg and Anderlecht in the same stadium in front of 66,000 people."

8. Juventus - 68,763

"Assuming we are discounting several games played behind closed doors," says Simon Halstead (and yes, we are), "I would have to say Juventus' Coppa Italia home match against Sampdoria in the 2001-02 season. Only 237 spectators showed up. With the Stadio Delle Alpi's capacity of 69,000 this leaves 68,763 empty seats." Thanks also to David Pasley, who suggested this fixture.

7. Hertha Berlin - c.73,000

"Although I cannot provide any details," says Alex Jäkel, who won't let that stop him, "I would reckon that Hertha Berlin in the 1980s would be a prime example." Yes, Hertha's struggles in the 80s led to a few spare seats at the Olympic Stadium. When Hertha were relegated from 2.Bundesliga in 1986, attendances fell to as low as 1,800, leaving around 73,000 empty seats.

6. Borussia Dortmund reserves - 79,028

Let Martin Tobutt tell the story. "This may be cheating a little but a match from last Saturday's German Third Division North featured Borussia Dortmund's reserves at home to Wuppertal. Normally, such teams play at the club's old ground or training ground - in Borussia's case Rote Erde, which has 3,000 seats and then a 22,000-capacity standing area which is open to the elements." Yes, yes, get on with it. "Looking at the TV pictures, it appears that the gale force winds that day meant that the match was moved to the Westfalenstadion meaning that the 1680 paying customers were housed in a ground holding 80,708 fans. In terms of empty seats, I make that 79,028."

5. Torpedo Moscow - 80,000+

"It pains me to no end - but my local club, Torpedo Moscow, I would think would have to claim this dubious honour," writes a bullish Leonid Mironov. "They play at the Luzhniki Stadium which has a capacity of 84,000 and a bit. For the past couple of season the average attendance has been around 3,000-4,000. That leaves almost 80,000 empty seats on average. I am pretty sure that we win this little competition (although obviously I would love to be wrong on this one)." Leonid, you are wrong. Not even close, in fact. Read on.

4. Istanbul Büyükşehir Belediyespor (Istanbul BBS) - c.81,000

Chris Wade has a higher offer from Ankara. "They don't announce official figures for matches in the Turkish Super Lig for some reason," he writes, "but on December 9 last year I listened to the radio broadcast of Istanbul BBS v Genclerbirligi which was being played at Istanbul's Ataturk Olympic Stadium. The radio announcer said he could see a total of six fans in the 81,283 stadium. There were a few more than that, as this picture shows but the entire crowd could not have numbered more than 50 souls for the exciting 0-0 draw." We reckon there's at least a couple of hundred in that picture, but it's one empty stadium nevertheless.

3. Leeds United v VfB Stuttgart - 90,000+

Joe Skinner, Doug Kirkpatrick and Andrew Limb have emailed in to nominate Leeds United's Champions League tie against VfB Stuttgart at the Camp Nou in 1992. With Stuttgart having fielded an ineligible player during the second leg of their 4-4 aggregate draw (Stuttgart would have gone through on aggregate), Uefa ordered the two teams to play a one-off decider at a neutral venue, and Barcelona's ground was chosen. No one can agree on the stadium's exact capacity in those days before it became an all-seater, but it was close to 100,000 meaning at least 90,000 spaces were left vacant as Carl Shutt tucked home the winner in front of 7,400 fans.

2. Necaxa - 118,000+

We're into six figures now. "I lived in Mexico City from 1995 to 2002 and went to see all the local teams while there," says Iain Pearson. "The most surreal was visiting Necaxa who were playing their home games in the Azteca Stadium (capacity: 120,000). If they were playing a team from out of town in midweek they would be lucky to host a 'crowd' of 2,000 - leaving 118,000 empty seats."

A worthy effort, but the crown goes to ...

1. Thames Association FC - 119,531

Neal Martin presents: West Ham Stadium. Thames Association FC still hold the record for the lowest attendance in Football League history when 469 went through the turnstiles, to watch Thames take on Luton in December 1930. It's claimed that the ground could hold 120,000 spectators (although estimates do vary), which leaves 119,531 tickets unsold.

Wow. What a bunch of failures, especially that Florida stadium. :lol:

I remember reading in a newspaper last year that Florida Marlins exaggerated the attendance in unbelievable scale. According to a reporter who counted the spectators one by one with his own fingers in top of 1st inning, it was only 375 but later he was stunned with shock that the official attendance for the game was announced "10,121" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I doubt other MLB clubs manipulate their attendances. For instance, I'd love to watch NY Yankees games. There are many cases that the official attendance was close to the full capacity(55,000) of Yankees Stadium when I found many empty seats watching the game.

To be honest I don't believe the attendance figures MLB announces are 100% correct. I feel like there is about 20-30% overestimation comparing with European football.

There isn't a conspiracy to manipulate attendance. For most US sporting events, attendance is counted by tickets sold not by the turnstile (i.e. butts in seats). Most new stadiums I've been around don't even have turnstiles anymore.

Most of the discrepancy people see is from season ticket holders. When a season ticket holder (who, for MLB, has tickets to 81 games) cannot make it to a game, the ticket is counted as sold, so he or she will still be included in the attendance.

I still win and I get a bonus because Luzhniki is actually the real home of Torpedo and my attendance stats are up to date and not from years ago:cheers:

No, Necaxa from Mexico City played against veracruz before they moved to Aguascalientes in front of 1890 people with paid ticket in a 114,000
That leaves more than 112,000 seats empty.
A good example now is Club Socio aguila from second division who plays in azteca Stadium and the last game were 561 people in the stadium..
incredible but yes..

There isn't a conspiracy to manipulate attendance. For most US sporting events, attendance is counted by tickets sold not by the turnstile (i.e. butts in seats). Most new stadiums I've been around don't even have turnstiles anymore.

Most of the discrepancy people see is from season ticket holders. When a season ticket holder (who, for MLB, has tickets to 81 games) cannot make it to a game, the ticket is counted as sold, so he or she will still be included in the attendance.

I already know that season ticket holders made that difference and the article also said about that. But that can not be the reason.

In fact there is season ticket system in almost every sport of the world too. Nevertheless nobody accept it as reasonable to announce 375 actual spectators to be 10,121.

A spectator in sports means a person who bought the ticket and came to watch the game in real life. If the person only bought the ticket and didn't come he or she is not a spectator - just a ticket buyer.

MLB's average attendance for 2007 is annouced 32,717 but I feel like it's under 25,000 on global standards.

If the Marlins are only drawing, say 4,000 or so through the turnstile every game, then why do they deserve a new stadium? People aren't going to go that one, either. Ticket prices will be much higher, and the only new faces in the stands will be the executives who buy up the suites and box seats.

miami is always terrible for sports and attendance, as for the marlins getting a new stadium...they would generate more money on boxes, logically speaking if they get a guy paying 50$ a ticket or someone buying a box at a cost of at least 3000 a game, think about the profits from the new vip boxes. i personally think the marlins should fold...and become a aaa team

Rose Bowl and Colosseum in Los Angeles both seat 92,000 plus and are probably 10 miles apart, so i guess not.

but you can say that nowhere in the world two 90,000+ are closer together ;)

IMO the LTU Arena is one of the best stadiums in Europe. What a shame...:ohno:

Unfortunately its true with the Istanbul Municipality club at Atatütk Olimpiyat.

lol i guess.

If we take stadium density a bit further, which area has the most stadium/arena seats in, say, a square kilometre?

My first guess would be Melbourne, which has the MCG (100,000) on one side of the railway and two arenas used in the Australian Open, plus Olympic Park and a few smaller facilities on the other, but then I remembered an aerial shot posted in this forum once which had an NFL and MLB stadium in spitting distance of each other, surrounded by car parking. Kansas City? Will the Beijing Olympic Stadium have more than just the swimming pool built near it? How many total seats are in the Athens Olympic plaza?

Rose Bowl and Colosseum in Los Angeles both seat 92,000 plus and are probably 10 miles apart, so i guess not.

I'm getting quite obsessed with this now. The LA Coliseum (92,000) and Rose Bowl (92,500) are just under 20 km apart, but in between the two are Staples Center (20,000) and Dodger Stadium (56,000). That's at least 260,500 seats, although there must be more sports venues in that area.

Is there any way of drawing circles of a set radius in Google Earth? If so, I could draw one centred roughly on Queens Park Rangers' Loftus Road ground - within a 10 km radius you have:

Wembley Stadium (90,000)
Twickenham Stadium (82,000)
Emirates Stadium (60,000)
Stamford Bridge (42,000)
Lord's Cricket Ground (28,000)
Craven Cottage (26,500)
The Oval (23,500)
Loftus Road (19,000)
Griffin Park (13,000)
Wembley Arena (12,500)

The Emirates Stadium and the Twickenham Stoop are just over 20 km apart, so I had to exclude the latter, but in that 10 km radius circle I count 396,500 seats. Any challengers?

guess not. how it is in New York?
maybe Munich can win the title with +69,000 closest together ;)
Olympiastadion 69,250 - 7,5km - 69,901 A. Arena

If we take stadium density a bit further, which area has the most stadium/arena seats in, say, a square kilometre?

My first guess would be Melbourne, which has the MCG (100,000) on one side of the railway and two arenas used in the Australian Open, plus Olympic Park and a few smaller facilities on the other, but then I remembered an aerial shot posted in this forum once which had an NFL and MLB stadium in spitting distance of each other, surrounded by car parking. Kansas City? Will the Beijing Olympic Stadium have more than just the swimming pool built near it? How many total seats are in the Athens Olympic plaza?

Yep, the sports precinct has the MCG (100k seats), Rod Laver Arena (15k), Vodaphone Arena (10k), there's also another 15 courts at the tennis center (all capable of taking spectators - 3 of them 'show-courts'), Olympic Park (18k), the under construction 'bubble dome' (31.5k), there's also Punt Road Oval (15k - cricket/AFL) behind the MCG.

Fancy a walk? Walk about 25-30 minutes to the west across the CBD and you're at Telstra Dome (56k).

Alternatively, cross the river and walk south through the Botanic Gardens past the Sidney Myer Music Bowl (2k seats, 28k standing) toward St Kilda about 25-30 minutes and you'll find Bob Jane Stadium (14k but awful) which is inside the F1 track at Albert Park (huge).

Not a bad little area for sports/entertainment.

I'm getting quite obsessed with this now. The LA Coliseum (92,000) and Rose Bowl (92,500) are just under 20 km apart, but in between the two are Staples Center (20,000) and Dodger Stadium (56,000). That's at least 260,500 seats, although there must be more sports venues in that area.

Is there any way of drawing circles of a set radius in Google Earth? If so, I could draw one centred roughly on Queens Park Rangers' Loftus Road ground - within a 10 km radius you have:

Wembley Stadium (90,000)
Twickenham Stadium (82,000)
Emirates Stadium (60,000)
Stamford Bridge (42,000)
Lord's Cricket Ground (28,000)
Craven Cottage (26,500)
The Oval (23,500)
Loftus Road (19,000)
Griffin Park (13,000)
Wembley Arena (12,500)

The Emirates Stadium and the Twickenham Stoop are just over 20 km apart, so I had to exclude the latter, but in that 10 km radius circle I count 396,500 seats. Any challengers?

Crazy thing is that London only just looks to be starting its devolpment(albeit outside tge area you mentioned), we could have 60K stadiums for Spurs, Chelsea and Westham and Lords even larger plus of course the temp 80K Olympic Stadium.

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Europest biggest Arena (O2 Arena, 20,000)
Or is it not in the 10km radius?

Istanbul and London are sometimes very similiar :D

No. Here's that 10 km radius circle I was talking about (KML file for Google Earth):

http://dev.bt23.org/keyhole/circlegen/temp/04-18-08-80466.kml

Here's the one for Los Angeles - can anybody point out any more stadia or arenas it contains?

http://dev.bt23.org/keyhole/circlegen/temp/04-18-08-10565.kml

I'm getting quite obsessed with this now. The LA Coliseum (92,000) and Rose Bowl (92,500) are just under 20 km apart, but in between the two are Staples Center (20,000) and Dodger Stadium (56,000). That's at least 260,500 seats, although there must be more sports venues in that area.

Is there any way of drawing circles of a set radius in Google Earth? If so, I could draw one centred roughly on Queens Park Rangers' Loftus Road ground - within a 10 km radius you have:

Wembley Stadium (90,000)
Twickenham Stadium (82,000)
Emirates Stadium (60,000)
Stamford Bridge (42,000)
Lord's Cricket Ground (28,000)
Craven Cottage (26,500)
The Oval (23,500)
Loftus Road (19,000)
Griffin Park (13,000)
Wembley Arena (12,500)

The Emirates Stadium and the Twickenham Stoop are just over 20 km apart, so I had to exclude the latter, but in that 10 km radius circle I count 396,500 seats. Any challengers?


For LA add in the Galen Center at 11,000 seats across from USC and the Sports Arena at 17,000 or so next to the Colosseum and USC.

In fact, on one street, Figueroa within 2 miles there are the Colosseum (92,000), Sports Arena (17,000) Galen Center (11,000) Staples Center (20,000) and two major performing centers with Nokia (brand New, next to Staples) (7,500) and the Shrine (i think 7,000). this is fun.

How far apart are the Cotton Bowl(92,000) and JerryWorld(80,000-100,000)?

Jerry World will be near the Rangers Ballpark?
The distance between Cotton Bowl and Rangers Ballpark is approx. 30km

I'm getting quite obsessed with this now. The LA Coliseum (92,000) and Rose Bowl (92,500) are just under 20 km apart, but in between the two are Staples Center (20,000) and Dodger Stadium (56,000). That's at least 260,500 seats, although there must be more sports venues in that area.

Is there any way of drawing circles of a set radius in Google Earth? If so, I could draw one centred roughly on Queens Park Rangers' Loftus Road ground - within a 10 km radius you have:

Wembley Stadium (90,000)
Twickenham Stadium (82,000)
Emirates Stadium (60,000)
Stamford Bridge (42,000)
Lord's Cricket Ground (28,000)
Craven Cottage (26,500)
The Oval (23,500)
Loftus Road (19,000)
Griffin Park (13,000)
Wembley Arena (12,500)

The Emirates Stadium and the Twickenham Stoop are just over 20 km apart, so I had to exclude the latter, but in that 10 km radius circle I count 396,500 seats. Any challengers?


Well, in Mexico DF the list is as fallows:
ESTADIO AZTECA: 114,000
UNIVERSITARIO: 72,000
PLAZA MEXICO (BULLFIGHT USE): 40,000
ESTADIO AZUL: 39,000
ESTADIO NEZA 86: 37,000
FORO SOL (BASEBALL AND CAR RACING): 35,000
PALACIO DE LOS DEPORTES (BASKETBALL): 22,000
ESTADIO TEC CCM (FOOTBALL): 15,000
ESTADIO WILFRIDO MASSIEU (FOOTBALL): 12,000
ALBERCA OLIMPICA: 10,000


TOTAL: 403,000

ALL IN A 30 KM RADIUS.

oh, a 30km radius is quite large, the ruhrgebiet could compete with that ;) but not with london as there are some more venues out of the 10km radius charlie chose.

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Europest biggest Arena (O2 Arena, 20,000)


I thought we had already established various times that the O2 Arena isnt Europes biggest arena.

For those who have been, what do you think?

i thought o2 seats 20k?
we ahd justthe problem with the MEN Arena

i thought o2 seats 20k?
we ahd justthe problem with the MEN Arena


No it seats 17,5k in Icehockey mode which is around a thousand less than the Kölnarena for instance

"Los Angeles Kings got the better of the Anaheim Ducks with a 4-1 win before 17,551 O2 Arena fans in the first NHL regular season game ever in Europe."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/ice_hockey/7019110.stm

Oh, sorry
So its 18k-18,5k at Basketball?

I havent looked up the attendancy figure for that NBA game in the O2-arena but the O2-world will seat 14,200 for Icehockey and around 15k for Basketball games.
So 18-18,5k for Basketball games sounds indeed likely for the O2-arena

the off page sucks
its says 20k
but sometimes 23k

Ulster Rugby has officially unveiled the detail of the first phase of an ambitious re-development plan for its Ravenhill Grounds.
The redevelopment project at Ravenhill is based on four phases, the first two of which received the green-light from the Planning Authorities prior to Christmas.

“It’s imperative that we improve the facilities at Ravenhill” said Chief Executive Michael Reid, “in the past 6-12 months the business of rugby has changed rapidly, and an investment in our facilities is absolutely vital if we are to cement our position and compete”

The first phase of the redevelopment programme, which is to build a new stand on the terrace side of the ground, has been officially unveilled today to the public, following a soft-launch to partners and sponsors at the end of March.

The new stand, which will be operational for September 2009 will cost £4.5 million to build and the project will be almost entirely financed through commercial income.

Boasting 20 corporate boxes and 530 premium seats as well as an exclusive glass front bar/lounge facility offering an elevated view of the Ravenhill pitch, the new grandstand will provide opportunities for individuals and organisations to enjoy rugby at Ravenhill in more comfort than ever before.

Exact capacity details:

4,200 standing places
536 premium seats
278 corporate box seats

Images:

Entrance:

http://www.ulsterrugby.com/images/galleries/Ravenhill_NS_Entrance_web.jpg

New Stand:

http://www.ulsterrugby.com/images/galleries/Ravenhill_NS_Front_View_web.jpg

Internal Render of Club Bar:

http://www.ulsterrugby.com/images/galleries/Ravenhill_NS_Members_Bar_we.jpg

Internal Render of Corporate Box:

http://www.ulsterrugby.com/images/galleries/Ravenhill_NS_Corp_Box_1-web.jpg

Plan of Corporate Box:

http://www.ulsterrugby.com/images/galleries/Ravenhill_NS_Box-Internal_w.jpg

what about Telstra stadium that has a capacity of 50,000

The world's largest spherical building stands in Stockholm and is of course called the Globe Arena. Capacity is about 14.500 for handball and floorball.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Globe_Bau_2.jpg/610px-Globe_Bau_2.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/Stockholm_Globe_Arena.jpg/800px-
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Globen_interior2.jpg/800px-Globen_interior2.jpg

Luzniki (spelling) is a stadium but with permanent roof.

Stabaek Football Club in Norway is now building a 16k stadium with permanent roof.

FK Haugesund is palnning to start construction of a stadium with permanent roof by the end of this year.

http://www.stabak.no/content/view/2092/351/

http://www.stabak.no/component/option,com_wrapper/Itemid,428/

Most Norwegion top clubs have small inndoor stadiums (International size) for winter training.

http://www.bergenlive.no/images/sized/vestlands1.jpg

http://www.steinarrettedal.com/images/Bildene/Sosialt/2006/fotballcup/DSC_1158.jpg

http://www.tu.no/multimedia/archive/00036/Valhall4_DSC_2492070_36862d.jpg

Stabaek Football's arena, Fornebu Arena:

http://www.budstikka.no/multimedia/archive/00089/Fornebu_Arena_89095f.jpg

http://www.fornebuarena.no/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34&Itemid=1

FK Haugesunds new stadium:

ne.no/storage/image/variation/ne_47381045f0321_416x284.jpg

Regarding Russia, there is no reteactable roof yet for a big arena but Moscow Dinamo are planning their stadium to have one and of course the Gazprom arena which is being constructed in ST Petersburg will have one. There are many arenas with fixed roof but it depends what you call big? The only arena with fixed roof that can fit in a full size international football pitch is the Olympisky stadium. It hosts a multitude of different events.

The biggest indoor arenas in Greece are situated in Athens:

Olympic Indoor Hall, 18,700 seats
http://www.stadia.gr/oaka-b/kleisto_oaka5.jpg

http://www.stadia.gr/oaka-b/kleisto_oaka7.jpg

Peace and Friendship Indoor Stadium, 11,390 seats
http://www.stadia.gr/sef/sefnew8th.jpg

http://www.stadia.gr/sef/sefnew10th.jpg

Hellinikon Indoor Stadium, 14,500 seats
http://www.stadia.gr/hellinikon/hellinikon6.jpg

http://www.stadia.gr/hellinikon/hellinikon9th.jpg

(all the pics and info were taken from: www.stadia.gr)

There has been a construction boom regarding this type of event venues in the last years in Germany. Most indoor arenas in Germany are used for (team-)handball and icehockey, besides concerts obviously. Often a sponsor buys the name of an arena for several years.

Don't know if this list is complete (I leave the LTU-Arena out of this list):

Nuremberg:
- Arena Nürnberger Versicherung, capacity up to 10,200 places, built 2001. Home of the Icehockey team "Sinupret Ice Tigers" (Sinupret is a medicine against sinusitis. :lol: )
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/ArenaNuernbergerVersicherung.JPG

Duesseldorf:

- Eisstadion an der Brehmstrasse, capacity 10,285 places. It is the oldest one in Germany (built 1935, rebuilt 1949), however the roof and the current capacity were added later. Until the 90s it was the biggest icerink in Germany.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Brehmstrasse-innen1.JPG

- ISS-Dome, 13,400 places, built 2006
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/8/8d/ISS_Dome_D%C3%BCsseldorf_Stra%C3%9Fensicht.jpg/800px-ISS_Dome_D%C3%BCsseldorf_Stra%C3%9Fensicht.jpg

Hamburg:
- Color Line Arena, up to 16,000 places, built 2002
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Color_Line_Arena_Hamburg.JPG/450px-Color_Line_Arena_Hamburg.JPG

Cologne:
- Kölnarena, up to 20,000 places, built 1998, the biggest of its kind in Germany
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/K%C3%B6ln_deutz_k%C3%B6lnarena.jpg/800px-K%C3%B6ln_deutz_k%C3%B6lnarena.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/4/44/KECHaie0708.jpg/797px-KECHaie0708.jpg

Berlin:
- O2-World (U/C), 17,000 places
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Berlin%2C_O2_World_under_construction.jpg/800px-Berlin%2C_O2_World_under_construction.jpg

Mannheim:
- SAP-Arena, 13,600 places, built 2005
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Mannheim_SAP-Arena_20050723_100_0481.jpg/800px-Mannheim_SAP-Arena_20050723_100_0481.jpg

Hanover:
- TUI-Arena, up to 14,000 places, built 2000 as part of the EXPO 2000.

Munich:
- Olympiahalle, up to 14,000 places, built for the Olympic games 1972, currently being upgraded
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Olympiahalle.jpg/800px-Olympiahalle.jpg

In which way is the Olympiahalle being upgraded?

According to Wikipedia 50 million Euros will be invested into the Olympiahalle to make it a bit bigger, brighter and more modern in order to be competitive on the international market.

Sounds good albeit I would have preferred it if they would have gone for a new arena.
That finnish investor who had realized the Colorline arena in Hamburg actually had plans for an arena in munich but the city council decided against it if I remember correctly.

Photos from Stabæks new stadium at Fornebu (the old Oslo Airport area). The capacity will be 15 000 seats and the whole stadium (including the pitch) will be covered.

NOTE! This images are from early january, so post some later photos soon.

http://www.fotballbaner.no/nyheter/data/upimages/01.jpg

http://www.fotballbaner.no/nyheter/data/upimages/02.jpg

http://www.fotballbaner.no/nyheter/data/upimages/03.jpg

http://www.fotballbaner.no/nyheter/data/upimages/04.jpg

http://www.fotballbaner.no/nyheter/data/upimages/05.jpg

http://www.fotballbaner.no/nyheter/data/upimages/06.jpg

http://www.fotballbaner.no/nyheter/data/upimages/07.jpg

http://www.fotballbaner.no/nyheter/data/upimages/08.jpg

http://www.fotballbaner.no/nyheter/data/upimages/09.jpg

(all photos: http://fotballbaner.no)

Some newer shots from the middle of march:

http://stabaek-inferno.no/bilder/IMG_0354.jpg

http://stabaek-inferno.no/bilder/IMG_0370.jpg

http://stabaek-inferno.no/bilder/IMG_0362.jpg

http://stabaek-inferno.no/bilder/IMG_0371.jpg

http://stabaek-inferno.no/bilder/IMG_0373.jpg

And some areal shots from the end of march:

http://www.fornebuarena.no/images/stories/2008/03mars/0328/FAluft_head.jpg

http://www.fornebuarena.no/images/stories//2008/03mars/0328/bilder//FAluft3.jpg

What material will be used for the pitch?

It will be artificial turf. Today this is used by 4 teams in the norwegian top leauge, and several more are to come. Theese pitches are UEFA/FIFA approved for Champions Leauge, WC, EC. Don't know if anyone remeber the Moskow team in CL this season, played at artificial turf?

But still, there are a lot of fuzz about this(at least here in Norway), and most players and fans prefer natural grass.

Aalesund, Norway
http://www.fotballbaner.no/baner/2/aalesund/bilder/05.jpg

Salzburg, Austria
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Freistoss-RB_Salzburg-18-09-2005.jpg/800px-Freistoss-RB_Salzburg-18-09-2005.jpg

Nottingham Ice Arena. Features two ice rinks (one for hockey and concerts (10,000 capacity) and 1 for public use) and office/conference facilities.

The larger ice rink.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w222/stefan_long18/321473035_1043ff307e_b.jpg

The Exterior

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w222/stefan_long18/1409693326_5a78f58041_b.jpg

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w222/stefan_long18/arena_exterior.jpg

The largest indoor arena in Europe in the Olympiysky Arenain Moscow, built for the 1980 Summer Olympics. It can seat about 35,000 persons.

A massive retail, entertainment and motorsport complex

http://www.insideretailing.com.au/articles-page.aspx?articleType=ArticleView&articleId=2493

A massive retail, entertainment and motorsport complex planned for south-east Queensland is one step closer with the signing of an agreement between i-Mett Queensland Group and Europe’s Grandprixone.

i-Mett proposes to redevelop 400 to 600 hectares of land over five years at Norwell, near Ormeau in Gold Coast City.

The development will involve an investment of around $650 million and is expected to employ more than 5000 staff when fully operational.

Grandprixone is a motor sport inspired retail destination established in Italy by Toyota

Formula One Driver Jarno Trulli.

The concept is a first in Australia and incorporates a unique European fashion warehouse centre, international hotel, and car and motorbike showroom with a world first facility that enable consumers to test drive cars and bikes on i-METT’s F1 standard motor racing circuit.

In partnership with Grandprixone, Australian entrepreneur Jeffrey Moss has licensed the concept in Australia, New Zealand,China, Canada and Romania.

Moss joined his family’s Sydney-based Pretty Girl fashion business in the 1980s and became sole owner in 1991. Pretty Girl made headlines in 2000 when the Packer family’s Consolidated Press Holdings bought a half-share in the business for an undisclosed sum. (Coincidentally, Moss and James Packer are old Cranbrook College boys of the same generation).

The business expanded to include the acquisition of Table Eight, JOi, and Wombat , building the Pretty Girl Fashion Group to 450 stores and in excess of $230 million in sales. Late in 2006, Moss sold his 50% stake to Consoldiated.

Moss said Grandprixone will bring some of the top names in European fashion to

Australia in a warehouse outlet context.

“It will see the creation of a unique interactive retail environment for its automotive and accessories product, and introduce something completely different to the retail options we have become used to in this country,” he added.

He said the concept has broad appeal and is not limited to motor enthusiasts.

“There really is nothing like this concept in Australia and I believe the broader facility will ensure a constant flow of customer traffic from domestic and international markets,” he said. “I believe the concept will be received extremely well and will work very nicely with i-METT.”

Grandprixone Italy has already attracted high end fashion brands such as Dolce e

Gabbana, Armani, Prada, Gucci, Valentino, Fendi, Versace and Ferragamo, and

discussions have commenced to bring them to Australia.

Jeff Moss back in business
By Tracey McEldowney

01 Apr 2008

NATIONAL: After a brief hiatus, the former owner of Pretty Girl Group (PGFG) Jeffrey Moss is again set to make his mark on the Australian fashion retail scene.

Moss, who has over 20 years' experience in the commercial property and fashion retail sector, has been awarded the license to set up a unique motor sport-driven European fashion warehouse centre.

The concept, believed to be the first of its kind in Australia, includes a fashion warehouse, international hotel, and car and motorbike showroom that enables consumers to test drive cars and bikes on a F1 standard F1 motor racing circuit.

Moss is believed to have sunk more than $150 million into the project, dubbed Grandprizone, and has licensed the concept in Australia, New Zealand, China, Canada and Romania.

Grandprixone Italy has already attracted high-end fashion brands such as Dolce & Gabbana, Armani, Prada, Gucci, Valentino, Fendi, Versace and Ferragamo. It is understood discussions have commenced to bring them to Australia.

Moss said the concept had broad appeal and would not be limited to motor sport enthusiasts.

"There really is nothing like this concept in Australia and I believe the broader facility will ensure a constant flow of customer traffic from domestic and international markets."

Moss, whose business interests formerly included the Table Eight, JOi and Wombat labels was credited with helping build PGFG empire to the point where it ran 450 stores and boasted sales in excess of $230 million. He sold his 50 per cent stake in the business in 2006.

http://www.ragtrader.com.au/ragtrader/index.cfm/p/news.detail/objectID/0705CA42-65BF-75E5-C6107C2F854C0793

Multifunctional Sport Venue
Almaty, Kazakhstan

http://www.ocasia.org/Gs%20Logo/SL/Almaty-2011.jpg


Architect: Alonso Balaguer (Spain) http://www.alonsobalaguer.com
Project inception: 2007
Typology: sport venue arena / leisure & commercial center / hotel.


http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj146/DARCHIKZ/96_1g.jpg

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj146/DARCHIKZ/96_2g.jpg

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj146/DARCHIKZ/96_3g.jpg

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj146/DARCHIKZ/96_4g.jpg


"The idea of functional promiscuity, or mixture of uses, finds in this Kazakhstan Project one of its clearest examples. That is, a multifunctional arena, modular and adaptable to all kinds of sports and configurations and, simultaneously, a leisure center, with commercial areas and a high-rise hotel.

The winding cross section of the near mountains strongly defines the landscape of the ancient Kazak capital, something that the building evokes and conceptually reproduces, generating a unique volume under its folds. Its light concrete skin has micro-conductions of hot and/or cold water in order to help its temperature controls.

The hotel, located in the corner, has magnificent sights, setting a new architectural landmark".

via Alonso Balaguer LLC.

wow thats pretty cool

Actually Greece Is:

Now:

Karaiskaki (Olympiakos Home Stadium, 33 000) / Oaka Olympic Stadium (76 000)

In 2-3 years

Votanikos Arena (Panathinaikos Home Stadium 44 000 minimum) / Oaka Olympic Stadium (76 000)

In 5-10 years:

Aek New Arena (50 000) / Oaka Olympic Stadium (76 000)

For United States, the principle home (mainly training grounds) is the Home Depot Center in Carson, CA.
http://www.paloaltodailynews.com/pics/padn/400xN/padn/2006-12-14-prep-lookout

However, they play most of their games in other stadiums around the country.
Those include, Reliant Stadium in Houston (mainly for Mexico friendlies)
http://www.concacaf.com/competitions/goldcup/2005/pics/Reliant.jpg
Legion Field in Birmingham, Alabama (but mainly now for women's games, the men have not played there in a long time and for good reason),
http://www.uconnhuskies.com/AllStories/MFootball/2006/04/28/legionfield.jpg
Giants Stadium (soon to be replaced) in East Rutherford, NJ.
http://tarheelmania.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/empty-giants-stadium.jpg
Gillette Stadium in Foxborough, MA
http://www.concacaf.com/competitions/goldcup/2005/pics/Gillette.jpg
Qwest Field in Seatle, WA
http://www.seattlest.com/attachments/seattle_dan/real3.jpg

The USSF changed it's principal Southern venue to Nashville because Birmingham installed FieldTurf. Similarly, it's likely New England matches will go to Hartford now.

That is not necessarily true, because the US women are playing a friendly on May 3 against Australia in Birmingham. The USSF was mad with Legion Field for changing to Field Turf without USSF approval, but that feeling has since changed. Nashville is certainly a capable host (and a much nicer stadium than Legion Field). One positive in favor of Birmingham is the training grounds which are among the best in the country (since they were built for the Olympics).

except in the world cup qualifying, Brazil play evereywhere in the world but in brazilian territory

In the World Cup qualifying the Brazilian selection plays everywhere....Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Salvador, Porto Alegre, Manaus, Belém, etc.

Although, recently there has been some motivations to make Maracanã the official national stadium, which´s something Im completely in favor of, because it's the largest stadium we get and it had already received one World Cup final match (1950).

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/509724.jpg
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/1826715.jpg
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/3512072.jpg
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/7277822.jpg

Worth adding some completed Wembley pics to this thread I think. Home of the England team, obviously:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1028/527614798_06f96ab34e_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/243/527632559_09ee64a421_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2013/1817232351_a2a7273551_b.jpg

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http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1028/527614798_06f96ab34e_o.jpg

........really deserves to be re-posted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NEW WEmberly is ....majestic!

I'm curious how they look with/without tracks. Anyone who has the picture of those stadiums at the time of having the tracks, please post. I would like to start with this picture of City of Manchester stadium(In fact that's the only one which I've ever seen :ohno:)

http://img243.echo.cx/img243/8170/coms2xk.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/conmebol/PER/Monumental_U2.jpg

Are the stands behind the goals unused now? Why isn't there a single one?

Denmark normally plays at Parken in Copenhagen:
http://www.kursuslex.dk/billeder/%7B08F0100B-95C5-4B0B-833C-E149BFF20823%7D_stor_.jpg

....but it happens from time to time that they also play in other stadiums (mostly friendly-matches).

Porto's old ground, Estádio das Antas, used to have an athletics track, but in 1986 the pitch was lowered by 6 metres and 20,000 seats added:

http://www.tapirus.net/imagens/inaugantas.jpg

http://www.tapirus.net/imagens/antas.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/conmebol/PER/Monumental_U2.jpg

Are the stands behind the goals unused now? Why isn't there a single one?

A single what? If you mean why aren't there any fans there, there aren't any at the sides of the pitch either - what you can see is seats! :lol:

Quite a few college football stadia in the USA used to have athletics tracks before being expanded, but Stanford Stadium actually went the other way - the 94,000-capacity old stadium was completely rebuilt with a much smaller capacity and no track:

http://football.ballparks.com/NCAA/Pac10/Stanford/aerial.jpg

http://football.ballparks.com/NCAA/Pac10/Stanford/newinterior.jpg

The MCG had an athletics track in 1956 and 2006.

Sydney's Homebush stadium had one from 1999 to 2000.

A single what? If you mean why aren't there any fans there, there aren't any at the sides of the pitch either - what you can see is seats! :lol:

Oh my God :nuts::nuts::nuts: The colors of the seats always make the stadium look filled with people in both touchline stands :lol::lol::lol:

Why did COM Stadium use to running tracks?

City of Manchester Stadium
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/City_of_Manchester_Stadium_2002.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Eastlands_East_Stand.jpg/800px-Eastlands_East_Stand.jpg

Why did COM Stadium use to running tracks?

Commonwealth Games

Oh my God :nuts::nuts::nuts: The colors of the seats always make the stadium look filled with people in both touchline stands :lol::lol::lol:

It's a strategy the peruvians use there to say the stadium is full when it's not LOL. But I like this stadium, it's imponent. Brasil played there last year in the WC qualifying, we had a hard time there. "The peruvian Bombonera" the journalists call it here.

Slightly off the subject, quite a few French stadia used to be velodromes - Stade Chaban-Delmas in Bordeaux and Stade Vélodrome in Marseilles both had the cycling track removed, and Parc des Princes in Paris was completely rebuilt without it.

The Riazor in La Coruna, and Vodacom Park stadium in Bloemfontein spring to mind.

Stadio Comunale in Florence used to have a running track, but the pitch was lowered and a new lower tier built before the 1990 World Cup.

http://bealonghorn.utexas.edu/whyut/photos/images/aerial_stadium.jpg

http://blogs.chron.com/longhorns/RoyalMemorialStadium04.jpg

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/shared-blogs/austin/longhorns/upload/2008/04/dkr_update_from/jwj%20Royal%20Memorial%20Stadium%20.jpg

Quite a few college football stadia in the USA used to have athletics tracks before being expanded, but Stanford Stadium actually went the other way - the 94,000-capacity old stadium was completely rebuilt with a much smaller capacity and no track:

http://football.ballparks.com/NCAA/Pac10/Stanford/aerial.jpg

http://football.ballparks.com/NCAA/Pac10/Stanford/newinterior.jpg

And the new dimensions seem to be for American football only. Or does this venue easily switch to soccer dimensions as well?

The MCG had an athletics track in 1956 and 2006.

Sydney's Homebush stadium had one from 1999 to 2000.
Neither of them are football specific though.

And the new dimensions seem to be for American football only. Or does this venue easily switch to soccer dimensions as well?

The New Stanford Stadium can handle soccer.

http://bealonghorn.utexas.edu/whyut/photos/images/aerial_stadium.jpg

http://blogs.chron.com/longhorns/RoyalMemorialStadium04.jpg

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/shared-blogs/austin/longhorns/upload/2008/04/dkr_update_from/jwj%20Royal%20Memorial%20Stadium%20.jpg

Explains why the first tair is so much larger than the second(which works really well IMHO) on the side thats been coped for the new devolp.

The New Stanford Stadium can handle soccer.

Yea, San Jose considered using it as a secondary venue for games their 12,500 stadium couldn't handle but went for McAfee due to the owner's connection.

Few shots from April. Opening is on the 22th May :cheers:

1
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc298/blejdsk/SalaBtrajkovski.jpg
2
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg177/lbocvarov89/DSC00261.jpg
3
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg177/lbocvarov89/DSC00262.jpg
4
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc298/blejdsk/salastrana.jpg

looks good
reminds me of the Kayseri arena (cladding)

Great facade

I am glad for Skopje and Macedonia but personally not very impressed by Arena itself.

The exterior of Skopje Arena is OK (reminds me of a Zagreb's Sports Hall) but when I saw the interior, I was, so to speak, a little bit disappointed. Why isn't there South tribune in the Arena?

^^
Whereas i like the exterior the interior is a disaster :ohno:
One of the reasons for that is idiotic politicians pushing for something to get started before elections, thats their excuse but what the architects were thinking i dont know.

Having said that the hall is a big improvement on what we currently have so i guess you take the good with the bad.

any pics of the interior`?

I couldnt find the latest pics although the arena is gonna have its official opening this week


Anyway these are about 2 months old..........BRACE YOURSELVES :lol: :lol: :lol:


http://eurohandballmkd2008.com/web/sk/s/g1/DSC01877.jpg


http://eurohandballmkd2008.com/web/sk/s/g1/DSC01874.jpg

pity, it had a predisposition to be a great arena, but unfortunately (politics, elections etc.) it came off a little bit claustrophobic (1st interior pic.)

the interior is a huge disappointment. It's disgusting. It's now understandable why the details about the interior, the capacity, they layout were kept top secret. Where should one start... The lack of one stand, the immensely shrinked capacity from what was announced, the overall claustrophobic appearance... Background for all this is politics, as certain politicians initiated an "optimized" version of the initial project to try to fit it in their portfolio with the then insufficient budget.

Better luck next time :ohno: For now we will have to console ourselves with the nice exterior which I still think is pretty good.

The exterior looks decent but the inside is a disaster (not just because of the sickeningly nationalistic seating).

Is it also necessary to have 12 FYROM flags outside the arena? :|

Beautiful Arena
Why 12 flags of Macedonya outside??

Beautiful Arena
Why 12 flags of Macedonya outside??

Because it's election time in 2 weeks and the government will include the opening (which is in 4 days) in its campaign

whats the capacity?

whats the capacity?

8000 (6000 fixed and 2000 detachable you can see them on the picture as well)

wait a second. i heard that the capacity should have been between 10k and 12k spectators.

wait a second. i heard that the capacity should have been between 10k and 12k spectators.

that's the biggest scam in all this. The project was announced with a 12k capacity but obviously there was some 'refitting' meanwhile with political background as I explained above to a point where it was too late to reverse the process. The result is what we have here, I think it's obvious from the pics that the place can't handle more than 10k for basketball and stuff. What pisses me off is that no one will take responsibility for this :wallbash:

Beautiful Arena
Why 12 flags of Macedonya outside??

After the name now they adopted the ancient greek religion. 12 flags= the 12 ancient greek gods!!! :lol::lol::lol:

After the name now they adopted the ancient greek religion. 12 flags= the 12 ancient greek gods!!! :lol::lol::lol:

boring, annoying, paranoid, repetitive, egocentric... and no limits to it :sleepy:

8000 (6000 fixed and 2000 detachable you can see them on the picture as well)

from outside it looks like it should have at least 15 000 seats
pitty

Arena in Split, Croatia (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=501350&page=35) looks a bit smaller than this one but will have almost double capacity (it's being built), more than 13 500 seats

from outside it looks like it should have at least 15 000 seats
pitty

Arena in Split, Croatia (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=501350&page=35) looks a bit smaller than this one but will have almost double capacity (it's being built), more than 13 500 seats

Yeah I'm following the Split arena. Nice going. :okay:

Anyways there is a lot of wasted space in the Skopje arena which they should have used better. They got an axillary small arena with almost 1000 seats to begin with (on the side of the big arena missing a stand). They should have left the auxiliary arena to be build in another object in the future and use the space in this one only for the big arena and make it as it should be. With that space they could have easily risen the capacity to the planned figures.

The only foreseeable use this arena could possibly have would be to host Eurovision. I don't think basketball is too popular up in Skopje. :tongue2:

...What pisses me off is that no one will take responsibility for this :wallbash:

Like in all other ex-yugoslav republics. It's pure Balkan mentality. And we will all just sit tight and do nothing about it. :ohno:

The only foreseeable use this arena could possibly have would be to host Eurovision. I don't think basketball is too popular up in Skopje. :tongue2:

But handball is.

Fields of Dreams
Here Come The Super-Stadiums
Tom Van Riper, 03.31.08, 12:00 PM ET

Forget the bum economy. Hungering for the kind of revenue needed to field top teams, a wave of stadium construction is sweeping through sports. But not just any stadiums. Super-stadiums.

The formula: Build new facilities with fewer seats and more luxury boxes, charge higher prices, earn more revenue, hire better players and reap more wins. Then turn around and raise ticket prices. It's a sports business model that originated in America and is now spreading across the globe. "It's become a game of one-upsmanship," says Chris Lee, senior principal at HOK Sport, which designed several new European stadiums. "Teams are finding it's a circle you have to be a part of."

The website stadiumguide.com lists 78 new soccer venues across Western Europe that either opened recently or planned for the near future, along with a handful of others in Eastern Europe and South America. Most are scaled down models of the old giant soccer stadiums emphasizing seating rather than standing room, the better to minimize the chances for hordes of standing, leaning fans to fall and cause a crush.

Two standouts: the 365 million euro ($576 million) Landsdowne Road Stadium in Dublin, Ireland, expected to open in 2009. Home to the Irish National Soccer Team as well as rugby, it will hold 50,000 fans and have 110 luxury suites, 10,000 premium club seats, fine dining and lounge bars. In Lyon, France, the 60,000-seat Olympique Lyonnais will open a year later. With a green design featuring solar power and reusable water, construction cost 240 million euros ($379 million) and will have 130 luxury suites and 5,000 premium club seats.

In the U.S., the NFL's Dallas Cowboys are awaiting the opening of their massive $1 billion new field. Football's Minnesota Vikings and baseball's Oakland A's also hope to have new homes soon. The San Francisco 49ers have been pining for one, even talking with officials in nearby Santa Clara, Calif. Minnesota's baseball team, the Twins, already have a new stadium set to open in 2010. "Teams that need the revenue will always continue to build new facilities," says Hamp Howell, president of industry consultant Sports Facilities Marketing Group.

The trend's worldwide capital: the New York City area, where four new stadiums will open in the next few years. First up are two baseball cathedrals: the Mets' Citi Field and the Yankees' "new" Yankee Stadium--both expected to open in 2009. They'll hold a combined 125 luxury suites, with the most expensive going for $2,500 per person per game, with capacities upward of 30 fans each. Top field-level seats will also cost more, allowing the teams to keep the upper tiers of their respective stadiums more reasonably priced.

After that comes a $1.3 billion home in New Jersey for the NFL's New York Giants and Jets. Opening in 2010, it promises a capacity of 82,500, including 200 luxury suites and 9,200 club seats. The new stadium's signature will be a 400-foot-by-40-foot-high rectangular wall featuring murals of players to fans outside the stadium.

Major League Soccer's New York Red Bulls are also building a cozy new home with 20,000 seats in nearby Harrison, N.J. The fledgling league is hoping to strike a chord with casual soccer fans by rescuing some of its teams from monstrous football stadiums--mausoleums to a soccer club playing to less than half capacity much of the time--and into soccer-only venues that bring fans closer to the action.

"The first row of seats will be just 21 feet from the touch lines, "says Red Bulls spokesman Andy McGowan, who also notes that a translucent roof will cover every seat in the house. "It will be the benchmark stadium by which all other soccer stadiums in North America are measured."

Elsewhere in America, sports facility consultants are drawing more business from mid-size cities looking to make sports arenas a centerpiece of downtown redevelopment. Tulsa, Okla., Wichita, Kan., Omaha, Neb., and Des Moines, Iowa, are all going in that direction, according to Howell. The idea is to draw people downtown to concerts and minor sports like arena football.

Kansas City built the new $276 million Sprint Center with the hope of luring the National Hockey League to town. The ownership group AEG (other-otc: AEGXY - news - people ), run by Philip Anschutz, has had flirtations with the Pittsburgh Penguins and Nashville Predators, to no avail so far. The Penguins just got approval for their own new arena to stay put. But Howell thinks the Predators' status in Nashville is tenuous, despite a sale to a local group last year.

"The Predators are probably in play," he says. Meantime, the Sprint Center plays host to concerts and college basketball tournaments, with no anchor tenant. The bulk of the arena's cost was publicly financed.

No matter. If you build it, they will come. And if they don't, the owners have the local taxpayers to split their losses with.

-- Annie Hamm contributed to this article.

Top 10 Super Stadiums underway
http://www.forbes.com/2008/03/31/sports-stadiums-yankees-biz-sports_cx_tvr_0331stadiums_slide_2.html?thisSpeed=30000

Yeah I'm following the Split arena. Nice going. :okay:

Anyways there is a lot of wasted space in the Skopje arena which they should have used better. They got an axillary small arena with almost 1000 seats to begin with (on the side of the big arena missing a stand). They should have left the auxiliary arena to be build in another object in the future and use the space in this one only for the big arena and make it as it should be. With that space they could have easily risen the capacity to the planned figures.


Are there any bussiness capacities like offices, shopping mall, hotel etc.?

Are there any bussiness capacities like offices, shopping mall, hotel etc.?

There is a 5 star hotel right next to it, a casino, tennis court park and an indoor swimming pool. In the very near future indoor hockey arena is being planned next to it. A big parcel next to it is planned for a shopping mall and its construction is expected this year. The whole complex is next to the river and the trim tracks on its banks. Here is an older layout of the area I have posted earlier in this thread


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t294/dewrob/salalokacija.jpg

1. Sports Arena Boris Trajkovski
2. Hotel Aleksandar Palace
3. Tenis Club
4. Karpos Indoor Swimming pool
5. Bonsai garden
6. Shopping mall

If you asked for the arena object particularly there are no offices in it but in addition to the small and big sport courts there is a leisure area (bars, cafes, bowling, fitness/wellness facility etc) of course there are all the technical facilities that an arena needs (equipment room for TV transmitting, journalist lounge, VIP lounge, dressing rooms etc.)

:cheers:

The only foreseeable use this arena could possibly have would be to host Eurovision. I don't think basketball is too popular up in Skopje. :tongue2:

why? I don't get it... not that we don't suck at it as in most other sports but basketball is a common/popular sport here.

Personally I don't like 1st tier having the same height with the ground. It fails to give good viewing angles to spectators in there. I think it to be ideal for perfect sightlines to have 1st row seats around 2 meters above the ground level.

The arena is officially open. Pics thanks to LaLinea and lslcrew from build.com.mk

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How old are plans for this hall? Interior is identical to Dom Sportova Ice Hall in Zg. Shame they kinda spoiled it all with this ugly seats. Exterior ain't bad.

i like the seats

i like the seats

What a suprise,you like yellow-red combination :D