View Full Version : Southport gets worlds first pier tram


Accura4Matalan
August 18th, 2005, 04:38 PM
The worlds only pier tram will be unveiled in Southport next Monday.
The 100-seater custom built British vehicle will link the end of the UK's second longest pier with Southport town centre, passing the Ocean Plaza complex en-route.
It has been funded with £250,000 from Mersey Waterfront, £45,000 from Sefton Council and a further £30,000 from the Pier Trust.
The modern air conditioned tram is an updated version of an origional feature seen on the Pier pavillion when it was first built in 1860.
Estimates suggest the tram could attract an extra 70,000 visitors to the resort anually.
Louise Hopkins, Director of Mersey Waterfront, said:
"Southport Pier Tram is expected to generate more that £140,000 for the local economy in the next 12 months alone and will help secure the pier's future."
This is going to be so cool. I wondered why they were digging up the middle of a few town centre roads when I last visited! The origional version only ran the length of the pier, but this is going all the way into the town centre!! Maybe in the future they will run more than just one tram along the line.
Its much needed. Southport's town centre where all the shops are is quite a distance from the seafront. You have about 3 blocks of streets, a park, the marine lake and then various entertainment complexes before you get to the seafront, and then there is the whole length of the pier, so this tramway will be quite long :) Will get piccies ASAP!

Accura4Matalan
August 18th, 2005, 04:53 PM
Piccies from lrta.org:
http://www.lrta.org/news/images/news0523.jpg

http://www.lrta.org/news/images/news0523b.jpg

Zim Flyer
August 18th, 2005, 07:26 PM
This is superb,

Accura if you could be a real hero, next time you are in South Port if you could take any pics that would be great.

By the way, what is the distance from the Pier to Southport Town Centre?

On another front isn't there a diddy Tram on the North Pier at Blackpool?

Leeds No.1
August 18th, 2005, 07:56 PM
What about Blackpool's North Pier? That has a tram...

Chogmook
August 18th, 2005, 08:37 PM
I went last tuesday and it was running then, with passengers, thought it was new!

Zim Flyer
August 18th, 2005, 08:56 PM
What about Blackpool's North Pier? That has a tram...

hay thief, that's what I said ;)

Accura4Matalan
August 18th, 2005, 10:03 PM
This is superb,

Accura if you could be a real hero, next time you are in South Port if you could take any pics that would be great.

By the way, what is the distance from the Pier to Southport Town Centre?

On another front isn't there a diddy Tram on the North Pier at Blackpool?
Yeah, I was wondering that. I'm going to try and find out what makes this the world's first. I also believe that there is a tram running along Southend's very long pier.
The distance from the end of the pier to Lord Street is roughly 2 miles, I may be wrong though. Thats just judging it from when I've walked it several times.
I'm going to Southport on Sunday. Will get some pics for you then. Promise :)

Leeds No.1
August 18th, 2005, 10:07 PM
Oh yeh sorry didnt see that. I guess they just got their facts wrong- the Blackpool pier tram isnt exactly wideley advertized....

Accura4Matalan
August 18th, 2005, 10:13 PM
I feel pretty sad whenever I walk along the North Pier. I goto Blackpool every month and I have NEVER seen the pier tram running, not even during the peak season.

Leeds No.1
August 18th, 2005, 10:51 PM
Really? I go to Blackpool quite a bit, well not as much as you, but probably once a year and whenever I go its running- we usually walk to the end and get the tram back. (I know people there so thats why I go)

Gavin
August 19th, 2005, 10:21 AM
I assume this is a first because the other pier trams are confined to the pier whereas this will go from street to pier. Just a guess mind.

Zim Flyer
August 19th, 2005, 11:30 AM
I assume this is a first because the other pier trams are confined to the pier whereas this will go from street to pier. Just a guess mind.

I think Gavin has got it.

It makes sense I don't know any other systems that go from road to pier.

Although isn't there something on the Isle of Wight (although that may not be a pier and the transport is an ex underground car not a tram)?

Accura4Matalan
August 19th, 2005, 11:48 AM
Ah, I know the one you are talking about. Yeh, its ex-underground cars so I assume that counts as trains.

maggie
August 19th, 2005, 10:42 PM
im pretty sure brighton and many others around the uk have trams, though southports is probably worlds first 21st century tram on a pier, you have too google it to check facts, newspapers rarely care if they get facts wrong so long as they sell papers

Accura4Matalan
August 20th, 2005, 04:12 PM
It wasnt just the newspapers that said it. I went on the Mersey Waterfront site and they are claiming its the world's first too.

pjmulholland
August 20th, 2005, 06:48 PM
I remember riding on the old train before the pier was closed as a kid in the 80's.
frankly the thing was a death trap. Glad to see this one looks a bit better :)

Accura4Matalan
August 21st, 2005, 05:05 PM
I went into Southport today. The tram doesnt go all the way to Lord Street as I though it would. The roadworks just turned out to be a street refurb. Its still pretty impressive though, and goes right along the pier, so its still about a mile of inland running too. Very popular with visitors.
pics:

from the pitch and putt
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/8559/tram11jw.jpg

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/8043/tram25ey.jpg

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2485/tram33nv.jpg

from on the pier. I couldnt believe that the tide was actually in.
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/9866/tram49dh.jpg

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7995/tram58oh.jpg

Zim Flyer
August 21st, 2005, 06:08 PM
excellent work and excellent pics Accura.

Well done sir :cheers:

Scarecrow
August 21st, 2005, 07:20 PM
They're repaving Nevill Street and relocating the statue of the porky woman to the Lord Street end I think Accy. Do me a flavour and keep the hell away from Souey on a Sunday. I'm back up there working as of next week. :)

However, next time you're there, dump the car at the park & ride and have a look around the eco centre. Woody installed the displays in there.

Those pics are fakes BTW. He's stuck pictures of trams in France onto a pic of Southport pier and then added water. The sea never, ever, EVER goes that close to the sea wall...

Scarecrow
August 21st, 2005, 07:26 PM
I bet the heritage lobby will be shitting their kecks in anger when the see those things. They campaigned for, and won the right to have those twiddley lighting structures placed all along the pier to keep in with the towns Victorian heritage. Maybe they should've saved their breath and opted to campaign against the ghastly cheapness of the Ocean Plaza complex instead. Half-arsed gobshites. :rant:

tommygunn
August 21st, 2005, 09:19 PM
how far does it go?

Accura4Matalan
August 21st, 2005, 09:25 PM
Those pics are fakes BTW. He's stuck pictures of trams in France onto a pic of Southport pier and then added water. The sea never, ever, EVER goes that close to the sea wall...
Despite the sea being in at Southport being a rare occasion, it does happen.
If it didnt, they wouldnt have spent millions 3/4 years ago rebuilding the wall.
Proof!
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/4981/marinedrive0io.jpg
It was nice having the sea in for once, and not miles away into the Ribble estaury over a giant plain of mud. It couldnt have happened at a better time either, with the flower show and such.
BTW, I agree with you about Ocean Plaza. Its so crap. At the back facing onto Marine Drive, it doesnt even have any windows :(

Accura4Matalan
August 21st, 2005, 09:30 PM
how far does it go?
The tram? A bloody long way. It begins at the Funland amusement arcade on the town centre side of the Marine lake, out across the lake, past the skate park (which everybody likes to stand and watch sk8erpunks do their thing), alongside the Pitch and Putt, alongside the crappy Ocean Plaza and McDonalds, then across Marine Drive to the beach and out to sea, right to the small amusement arcade at the end of the pier. I walked the entire route (and back again) and was pretty tired afterwards.

tommygunn
August 21st, 2005, 09:30 PM
what is the point of this tram going a hundred yards down an old pier?

Accura4Matalan
August 21st, 2005, 09:31 PM
what is the point of this tram going a hundred yards down an old pier?
A hundred yards?!?! :eek: You have got to be joking! The pier must be at least a mile long! The pensioners like it :)

tommygunn
August 21st, 2005, 09:31 PM
The tram? A bloody long way. It begins at the Funland amusement arcade on the town centre side of the Marine lake, out across the lake, past the skate park (which everybody likes to stand and watch sk8erpunks do their thing), alongside the Pitch and Putt, alongside the crappy Ocean Plaza and McDonalds, then across Marine Drive to the beach and out to sea, right to the small amusement arcade at the end of the pier. I walked the entire route (and back again) and was pretty tired afterwards.
oh right i thought i just went down the pier for some reason.

tommygunn
August 21st, 2005, 09:35 PM
A hundred yards?!?! :eek: You have got to be joking! The pier must be at least a mile long! The pensioners like it :)
didnt realise the pier was that long although i can remember the train they had their.

Accura4Matalan
August 21st, 2005, 09:51 PM
didnt realise the pier was that long although i can remember the train they had their.
Blackpool's North Pier has a tramway on it too, but North Pier is only about a third the length of Southport. The North Pier tramway was actually built for a purpose though. At the end of North Pier, there is a large theatre. Back in the day when people went there to go and see shows at night, people found it hard to walk the pier back in the dark and wet, so they built a tramway for them.
Southport has got too many spoofy transport systems around the marine lake now! They have got that annoying road train going from Funland to Pleasureland, the miniature railway running from Ocean Plaza to Pleasureland, and now this tramway! :no:

BTW, I have no idea now how they can claim this being a 'world first'. Gavin suggested it was because it ran on the street, but now we know it doesnt run on the street, soo..... :dunno:
I'll send an email to MerseyWaterfront asking at some point.

Scarecrow
August 22nd, 2005, 10:35 AM
Sloppy journalism Accy. Nothing more. Any news on the proposed water park/snow dome ideas they had for Ocean Plaza? :? Not read the Visiter for yonks. :)

Accura4Matalan
August 22nd, 2005, 11:34 AM
^I wonder where they would put that... there is only a small amount of space left at Ocean Plaza now, a pretty small patch in between the plaza building and Pleasureland.
Blabbernsmoke also said there was a 32-storey tower planned for Southport.

Scarecrow
August 22nd, 2005, 11:58 AM
http://www.photo-digital.co.uk/england/lancashire/southport/pics/southport%20pier%20aerial.jpg

http://www.redstarline.org.uk/images/southport/spt1.jpg

Some cracking pics here http://www.redstarline.org.uk/southport_photo.html

Accura4Matalan
August 22nd, 2005, 12:46 PM
Nice pics. I found out something totally wierd yesterday. Apparently the whole of West Lancashire from Southport to Burscough used to be a massive lake (one of the largest in England), but then hundreds of years ago, monks drained it so it could be good farmland. Imagine how great that would be now :(

Scarecrow
August 22nd, 2005, 12:52 PM
I'd love to see Southport completely submerged. You're absolutely right Accy. ;) Didn't think it was a proper lake though, just masses of marshland where Martin Mere spread out for miles and miles. The Mersey used to be a lake that stretched from Warrington to Bootle but was ground out by glacial action 10,000 years ago. :)

Accura4Matalan
August 22nd, 2005, 01:02 PM
Why do you want to see Southport submerged? Its a great place. Had a bad experience there?
Even if it was just a marsh lake, its still more interesting than what is there now. West Lancs is quite possibly the dullest place in the world. Everytime I go through it, I feel like slitting my wrists.

Scarecrow
August 22nd, 2005, 01:41 PM
I lived there for two years don't forget. Not a bad place to visit, but depressing and far too inbred for me to enjoy living there. The amount of times I'd witnessed glasses and bottles being used as weapons was mind boggling, not to mention all of the tramps and pissheads who litter the streets at night....

Accura4Matalan
August 22nd, 2005, 08:03 PM
I'm not sure that Southport is a great place to live if you're a young person. If I lived in Southport at my current age, I would see no other option but to leave in the near future. Southport doesnt have much in the way of employment.

Scarecrow
August 22nd, 2005, 10:02 PM
Plenty of shop work Accy. Great if you're after pocket money whilst you're studying etc, but apart from a handful of solicitors firms, notably Barrets, and the many care homes, there's fuck all else. That's why they all piss off down to Bootle and Liverpool and to a lesser extent, Preston for their money.

Accura4Matalan
August 22nd, 2005, 10:21 PM
I bet just as many people in Southport commute to Preston as they do to Liverpool. Half the teachers at my old school live in Southport...
The A59 is absolutely jammed every weekday morning heading into Preston.

Scarecrow
August 22nd, 2005, 10:29 PM
So is the Formby bypass Accy, as well as Merseyrail. the Liverpool-Southport service alone has 16m passengers per year. They're all Sefton council office lackeys and Health & Safety monkeys.