Wait a minute..... What happened to your tall claims about BIAL like world class etc.. , now that BIAL is found only marginally better than HAL in terms of handling capacity?

BIAL claimed its capacity to be 11 (or 12??) million last time I heard. Whereas AAI study puts it at 9.5 million. If I call this as outright cheating by BIAL, would you agree?

Dear friend, looks like you have a fancy to jump to conclusions to find faults. I have not made any tall claims. I have consistently maintained that this facility is far superior to the old airport but it has shortfalls which need to be improved, I suggest you read these in case you haven't - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=19867312#post19867312; http://bialterminal-indian-aviation.blogspot.com/
The latter one is not well presented and you may not agree to all the facts..which is okay...but at least, I request you not to bring in the "tall claims about BIAL" thing because neither me nor anybody in this forum has. We have just exchanged ideas and information most of which has been fact based. If you have suggestions for improvement based on your experiences, ideas and observations I think folks would welcome it. If you are aware of the intricacies of aviation would you please tell me how AAI puts the capacity of BIA marginally above HAL given the facts that -
1) HAL did not have rapid exit taxiways
2) HAL had cramped terminals with people packed like sardines
3) number of checkin counters & self checkin kiosks that do not even come close to that of BIA?
4) more number of baggage carousels
5) BIA has better roadside infrastructure to ensure a better much flow of road traffic and hence passengers.
Granted that BIA is an unfinished product and I had expected more out of it. And, yes, there is crowding in the new airport due to the inexcusable lack of foresight in the terminal design & cost cutting but hard work needs to be done now to turn that 4000 acre airfield into an asset.

And another thing, without the blink of an eyelid I agree with this after having seen the state of Govt. run airports in our country -

1. Bangalore airport(the new one) is probably far far more criticised than it actually deserves. I havent seen the hyderabad airport, so I wont comment on that., but in whatever I have seen in India(delhi, mumbai, chennai, kolkata, pune) this is by far the best one and the others dont even come close….(bear that I am not counting Hyderabad.)

Please refer to http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=22231286&postcount=3480 in case you are wondering where this came from.

C'mon. Forget HAL and BIAL for minute.

"World Class" tag to an airport attributes to the facilities it provides for the entire airport operations not the capacity. You can have a small "world class" airport to handle just 1 mil passengers or a large "world class" airport to handle 20 mil passengers. In the same way you can have a "cowshed" airport to handle 1 mil and also 20mil passengers.

Here's an example;

Consider two 500 sq.ft hotel rooms. Since the cpacity is the same, is it possible for one to be better than other? Go Figure.

"Clue: One is a Park Hyatt, the other is Motel 6."
truly well said. could not have been a better example.

then why do you expect BIAL to be efficient?. I find it hypocritical and highly amusing that you blame others including BIAL for inefficiency.

hey guru, still trying to justify falthu BIAL claims? Is BIA your paymaster or something for you to always lick their feet?:)

Everybody in Bangalore/India expected BIAL to be world class and efficient. What we are seeing is one glorified cowshed called BIAL and airlines running away from the airport due to various reasons. Many people feel now that closing HAL was a big blunder.

"World Class" tag to an airport attributes to the facilities it provides for the entire airport operations not the capacity. You can have a small "world class" airport to handle just 1 mil passengers or a large "world class" airport to handle 20 mil passengers. In the same way you can have a "cowshed" airport to handle 1 mil and also 20mil passengers.

Here's an example;

Consider two 500 sq.ft hotel rooms. Since the cpacity is the same, is it possible for one to be better than other? Go Figure.

"Clue: One is a Park Hyatt, the other is Motel 6."

Great, you think you have taught some lessons.

May I ask you whether your BIAL is "world class" according to your definitions? Please donot bring in HAL for comparison here, instead bring in world airports like Changi, Dubai, Hongkong, Narita, Frankfurt etc.. for comparisons.

Yes, as suspected BIAL capacity is much lower than they always claim. When BIAL is only marginally better than HAL, how can BIAL be called world class and HAL called cowshed? Definitely some lobbies seem to be at work here trying to propagate false information and fake glorification about BIAL for their own interest. There should be a serious judicial enquiry on this.

Let me repeat, This is nothing but cheating by BIAL that instead of offering world class airport much better than HAL, Bangaloreans are offered HAL-II in the name of BIAL.

Yes, you seem right that there are pressure lobbies around to support BIAL whether they deserve it or not. BIAL's shortcomings are cleverly wrapped under the carpet, their accounts cunningly never made transparent, and only their cosmetic touches in the airport shown around with pomp.

A government orgainsation like AAI after their study has outrightly rejected the BIAL claim on capacity. And nobody of BIAL supporters do seem to care about this fraud committed by BIAL. Instead they are blaming AAI for the study report. Sure, something is stinking here.

Dear friend, looks like you have a fancy to jump to conclusions to find faults. I have not made any tall claims. I have consistently maintained that this facility is far superior to the old airport but it has shortfalls which need to be improved,

No, never do I jump to conclusions and intend to.

Your claim that BIAL is far superior than HAL has been rejected by the AAI study on capacity of HAL and BIAL airports. This is what I was referring to in my previous post. According to AAI, BIAL has only 8% higher capacity than HAL which falls way below expectations of public.

Forcing shutdown of HAL airport for sake of opening a similar capacity greenfield airport at BIAL cannot be justified for whatsoever reasons.

"World Class" tag to an airport attributes to the facilities it provides for the entire airport operations not the capacity. You can have a small "world class" airport to handle just 1 mil passengers or a large "world class" airport to handle 20 mil passengers. In the same way you can have a "cowshed" airport to handle 1 mil and also 20mil passengers.


Please come straight to the point. Would you call existing BIAL a world class airport? Please donot bring in future expansion plans here for now.

If so, Can you enlighten us what are the features of BIAL airport as of now you find in it to be called "world class"?

hey guru, still trying to justify falthu BIAL claims? Is BIA your paymaster or something for you to always lick their feet?:)

Everybody in Bangalore/India expected BIAL to be world class and efficient. What we are seeing is one glorified cowshed called BIAL and airlines running away from the airport due to various reasons. Many people feel now that closing HAL was a big blunder.

Hello,
First as usual you seem to lack the ability to talk based on facts written on this blog(by you, me or others). So you abuse by using the word 'BIAL LICKER'.
Can you quote where in all my posts i have mentioned "BIA is world class"? - because i dont remember saying anything like that. Instead of NAME CALLING that you regularly do - can you show one message that justifies what you say or that i have glorified BIA or where i have stated something that defies logic?. On the contrary i can show many places where what you talk meant absolute nonsense and in fact i pointed it out to you to which you had absolutely no answer.

Originally Posted by mpvp
Very poor way of justifying a so called "world class airport". May be first you should be willing to remove "world class tag" from BIAL before commenting any further.

And for AAI, it is a partner in BIA consortium, isnt it? So how can you not trust them?

Originally posted by Mailabode:
Mr MPVP, you are asking people questions here. Problem is almost all of your questions have already been answered over the last 3 months, not just once but many times(even the question if the AAI can be trusted). Problem is you come once in a way and start making accusations as if 'the past did not exist wrt to ur utterances' and 'unmindful of the fact that your accusations are stale (and have no new points added)' or 'prove nothing new' - So please first go back and read people's answers to your questions over 3 months and u will find answers to almost all questions you pose now. Why waste time making people repeat the same redundant things over and over again?. Happy reading.

And i suggest you take another 3 months to get some training on perspective.

When you repeat the same questions over and over again only to go around in circles in a merry-go-round fashion which is HIGHLY INEFFICIENT - then why do you expect BIAL to be efficient?. I find it hypocritical and highly amusing that you blame others including BIAL for inefficiency.

My post in quotes above does not go into praising BIAL or BIA. It only say your posts are inefficient because they are redundant(not based on any external unknown factor, but based on your own posts on this blog), and hence i said you are not the right person to comment about BIA's ineffiiencies - which is logically justified because if you were a CEO with the same attitude then you would have been a total disaster yourself. That does not in any way prove i am paid by BIAL. I would only be too happy if you can prove by logic or evidence i am paid by BIAL.

Point where i went wrong in my messages on this blog. And again i repeat- if you dont have rational thinking - then basically you you become unfit to judge. And if you are inefficient yourself then you become unfit to talk about the inefficiency of others. Imagine the range of possibilities if someone wanted to start name calling you in retaliation- but no thanks that takes me down to a lower level. I am amazed at how i am called "BIAL Licker" because i point out that you lack efficiency - i mean what do you really think?.

BIA according to you is public money of 10,000 crores- doesnt this mean its the peoples's airport?. Am i licking the public's feet? - if you want to think so i have no problem. Well but that would mean you are anti-people aint it?.

Originally Posted by mpvp
Very poor way of justifying a so called "world class airport".
Where have you even attempted to reaonably justify anything- you only accuse out of the blue. So i wonder what gave you the moral right to qualify his justification.

And lastly my friend, i am no Guru as you called me (lets cut the crap)- i am only pointing out to you the erroneous statements you make because they try to twist the facts and mislead (unabashedly in my opinion)- i would never ever want to become your Guru like you think.

Hello,
First as usual you seem to lack the ability to talk based on facts written on this blog(by you, me or others). So you abuse by using the word 'BIAL LICKER'.
Can you quote where in all my posts i have mentioned "BIA is world class"? - because i dont remember saying anything like that. Instead of NAME CALLING that you regularly do - can you show one message that justifies what you say or that i have glorified BIA or where i have stated something that defies logic?. On the contrary i can show many places where what you talk meant absolute nonsense and in fact i pointed it out to you to which you had absolutely no answer.


Hey..hey..hey....cut the long crap dude...we are talking about an airport and there you are talking about everything under the universe except Bangalore airport.

Whenever I or anybody talk about inefficiency of BIAL, you seem to get angry and irritated as if you are BIAL spokesman. If you are not BIAL staff or CEO or spokesman, kindly take the criticism lightly and analyse what is the problem mentioned before shooting off your tongue. That will save lot of your lines typed and more business than crap talk.




BIA according to you is public money of 10,000 crores- doesnt this mean its the peoples's airport?. Am i licking the public's feet? - if you want to think so i have no problem. Well but that would mean you are anti-people aint it?.


Oh really... that is news to me.. BIAL is a public airport:bash:...bolsh..then why BIAL say they cannot open the accounts to public... and why BIAL says it is a private organisation when information about BIAL is requested through RTI act? At some times mailabode says BIAL is public and at other times BIAL says they are private.... Call that double standards..eehh?

And what about HAL airport? Is it some alien's money put into HAL airport for you to enjoy the luxury of seeing it shut down and looking empty?

Comeon dude go get some fresh air and life instead of clinging to BIAL for your life.

HAL can’t handle charter flights
Monday July 7 2008 09:53 IST

Monica Jha

BANGALORE: Despite receiving a green signal from the Ministry of Civil Aviation to operate charter flights, the HAL Airport is in no position to handle charter flights.

The reason being that the security mechanism at the HAL Airport is inadequate for the handling of take-offs and landings of charter flights. The Central Industrial Security Force (CISF) personnel, who are in charge of the security for civil airports in India, are no longer stationed there.

The CISF men, who were deployed at the HAL Airport, were shifted to the Bengaluru International Airport (BIA), Devanahalli, when it began commercial flight operations on May 24.

http://newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IE120080706233141&Page=1&Title=Bangalore&Topic=0&

Dear friend, looks like you have a fancy to jump to conclusions to find faults. I have not made any tall claims. I have consistently maintained that this facility is far superior to the old airport but it has shortfalls which need to be improved, I suggest you read these in case you haven't

The latter one is not well presented and you may not agree to all the facts..which is okay...but at least, I request you not to bring in the "tall claims about BIAL" thing because neither me nor anybody in this forum has. We have just exchanged ideas and information most of which has been fact based. If you have suggestions for improvement based on your experiences, ideas and observations I think folks would welcome it. If you are aware of the intricacies of aviation would you please tell me how AAI puts the capacity of BIA marginally above HAL given the facts that -
1) HAL did not have rapid exit taxiways
2) HAL had cramped terminals with people packed like sardines
3) number of checkin counters & self checkin kiosks that do not even come close to that of BIA?
4) more number of baggage carousels
5) BIA has better roadside infrastructure to ensure a better much flow of road traffic and hence passengers.
Granted that BIA is an unfinished product and I had expected more out of it. And, yes, there is crowding in the new airport due to the inexcusable lack of foresight in the terminal design & cost cutting but hard work needs to be done now to turn that 4000 acre airfield into an asset.

BT, I have come to the conclusion, most people at SSC, have taken a hard line on where they stand. In case of the "pro-HAL" people it is consider opening HAL, in addition to BIAL, regardless. In case of the "pro-BIAL" it is "only BIAL" and nothing else, regardless.

Is there really any point continuing the discussions, in the absence of open mindedness on either side.

The court hearing is on July 18th, and hopefully the original AAI report will be presented, and the court will take an informed decision.

Sooner or later, BIAL will force imposition of UDF on domestic passengers. At that time, we will get to hear the REAL views of passengers, on the value proposition.

With regards to all the proposals being put forth, it does not matter. BIAL is not really interested. They may pay us lip service, but ultimately, they will do what they want to.

Hey..hey..hey....cut the long crap dude...we are talking about an airport and there you are talking about everything under the universe except Bangalore airport.
Long crap?- never heard the word- so what the crap ?- if you cant tell me then you should shut up and also go refer dictionary for meaning of crap..

I too am talking about the airport - and i was saying that from your own posts you are inefficient and unfit to comment about the airport. You keep repeating the same things again and again, and also pose the same questions again and again to people. Know the meaning of what i say?.



Whenever I or anybody talk about inefficiency of BIAL, you seem to get angry and irritated as if you are BIAL spokesman. If you are not BIAL staff or CEO or spokesman, kindly take the criticism lightly and analyse what is the problem mentioned before shooting off your tongue. That will save lot of your lines typed and more business than crap talk.
One need not be a BIAL spokesman to point out the lies in what you talk. I am not like you who supports issues only when i am paid- i value truth unlike you more than anything else. You mean i should condone the lies and doublespeak?. I dont become a spokesman because i analyze- if i have said something like that quote it(not selectively but the entire message)- if you cant point it out then i think you should simply shut up.

Secondly i dont think you are the mouthpiece for 90 percent people on this forum - so dont use the word "ANYBODY" - alright?.


Oh really... that is news to me.. BIAL is a public airport:bash:...bolsh..
Why would your statement that BIAL is a public airport many many times on this thread be news to you. In short why would your own statement be news to you? - strange!!!.


At some times mailabode says BIAL is public and at other times BIAL says they are private.... Call that double standards..eehh?
Why would I be the one to have double standards because YOU said BIAL is a public airport many times? - you do the mistake and i take the blame? - your mistake your funeral. Are you sure you have never said BIAL is a public airport for the sake of the public and not for the sake of a selected few?. It was not me but you who claimed that 10000 crores was given to BIAL- forgotten your past posts?.

Mailabode said? - come on quote it- i can quote what you said before. I say things in perspective- i always said it was a public airport run by private enterpreneurs- i never ever said it was a private airport- thats a cunning lie?- come on show me where i said it.


And what about HAL airport? Is it some alien's money put into HAL airport for you to enjoy the luxury of seeing it shut down and looking empty?

Comeon dude go get some fresh air and life instead of clinging to BIAL for your life.

Before you jump to HAL, first lets not conveniently bypass where BIAL's money came from- do you still say "we gave BIAL 10000 crores" ?- if so how was the money given?- how much was supposed to be spent?- do you think money has disappeared, if so to where to? - finish that point first and then we can talk about HAL- ok?.
(anyway i have already told you about why they planned to close HAL in 1991 itself - go back and read if interested - people are not here to repeat statements for you a 100 times- highly wasteful you are, and you talk about efficiency?).

Look here- if i need fresh air all i need is your stale repetitive comments purged out- simple. I dont think the devil can teach me about the bible.


This is a BIAL thread started for a purpose and not to discuss HAL. You are the guy who is out of context and lobbying for HAL here - and i think its very appropriate that i expose the erroneous, irrational rubbish(which i have pointed out many a time) in the propaganda statements of people like you. I dont become a BIAL licker or a BIAL employee because i point out the erroneous claims in your propaganda(thats not how a logical human being will reckon) - the only way i can be a BIAL licker is if i make false claims supporting BIAL- if i have made such a cocksure false claim, i challenge you quote it and explain why my statement is false. And i criticized neither airport until you started your propaganda(go back to march, april and see how u started your propaganda). I called you a commie before only when you made communist statements on this thread - so would you call yourself a "China licker" because you supported Left ideology of the Left in India? - by your own standards you should be ?.


A post doesnt become crap just because its long. Its crap only if its out of context or irrelevant to the context, or unnecessarily repetitive, or if its redundant questioning like you do - i suggest you try your tactics elsewhere. If my posts expose the rubbish in statements of propagandists then i feel its very very relevant and i have done this nation soem good.

I request the moderator to stop name calling- because if some people are allowed to call unfaily and get away with it then others are forced to reciprocate in relevant defence.