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M_Riaz
August 24th, 2005, 05:57 PM
I am Dying to see the fine detail on this project :)

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7180/gravingdock6wv.jpg


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Glasgow City Council
Development and Regeneration Services Committee
Report by Director of Development and Regeneration Services
Contact: Fiona Burns Ext: 78688
City Dock Masterplan – November 2004
Purpose of Report:
To advise committee on the content of the revised City Dock Masterplan (November 2004), which
proposes a mixed development including residential, commercial, retail and leisure with
associated parking, landscaping and public realm works.
Recommendations:
It is recommended that Committee note the content of the revised City Dock Masterplan
(November 2004) document.
Ward No(s): 53 - Ibrox Citywide:
Local member(s) advised: Yes No Consulted: Yes No
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1.0 INTRODUCTION
1.1 The City Dock Masterplan (November 2004) has been prepared on behalf of Citycanal
Ltd to provide a context for the development of the Category A listed former Graving
Docks and the Graving Basin to the west.
1.2 Following approval of the previous Masterplan document by DRS Committee in August
2002, Glasgow City Council agreed to partner Citycanal Ltd in an ERDF application for
the development. However in 2003 Strathclyde European Partnership undertook a
change in policy, which resulted in the Council having to withdraw its involvement in City
Dock. The revised Masterplan has been prepared in response to the altered funding
position.
1.3 The 2004 Masterplan maintains the essential qualities of the 2002 Masterplan, but
includes a stronger link to the Science Centre and Pacific Quay and now incorporates a
retail and marina complex on the Canting Basin. The original Masterplan included a
proposed hotel, which has now been excluded, and a greater amount of residential units
are now proposed (844-1039 units as opposed to 430-530 units).
2.0 THE SITE
2.1 The site comprises, in broad terms, the former Graving Docks and the basin to the west.
It is bounded by the River Clyde to the north, Govan Road to the south, Princes Dock and
Canting Basin to the east, and the Napier Drive housing development to the west.
2.2 An updated Masterplan for Pacific Quay to the east will be subject of a separate report to
committee.
2.3 The total site extends to approximately nine hectares (22.2 acres) and comprises three
graving docks (dry docks), various quays, yards and associated buildings and a large
tidal basin.
3.0 THE MASTERPLAN
3.1 The design retains and builds over two of the three Category A listed Graving Docks, and
maintains the third as useable waterspace. The Dock’s ground plane and basin
structures (including capstans, bollards, mooring rings, pumps, rails, bases for stationery
cranes and cobbled hardstand paving) will also be retained. Planning permission was
granted in July 2002 for the infilling of the unlisted tidal Graving Basin subject to a
Section 75 Agreement. A Harbour Revision Order has also been obtained and this
proposal has been incorporated into the Masterplan. Whilst detailed design of individual
buildings is indicative only at this stage, it is intended that proposed designs will generally
reinforce maritime references, without resorting to sentimentality and pastiche.
3.2 The Masterplan proposes a mixed-use development, incorporating a pedestrian
footbridge link to the Science Centre and water related activity in the Canting Basin
Marina. The floorspace breakdown of the proposal is as follows:
Residential 84,000 sq m 844-1,039 units
Live/work units 8,800 sq m 25-42 units
Retail/leisure space 7,200 sq m
Total 100,000 sq m
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3.3 Housing is proposed within Dock 1 and in the western portion of the site around the
infilled tidal basin. A mix of residential and live/work space is proposed within Dock 3,
along the southern edge of Dock 2, and to the west of Dock 2. Various types and
heights of residential units are proposed, ranging from low-rise to high-rise blocks.
3.4 The scheme incorporates two high-rise towers, one on the eastern edge of Dock 1 and
one adjacent to Dock 3 close to the footbridge link with the Science Centre. These
towers will create a visual marker for the project. Their position complies with the
Council’s River Design Framework which highlights a number of potential locations for tall
buildings along the river, including this site.
3.5 Silo parking will be provided in Docks 1 and 3. A combination of under-croft, underbuilding
and surface parking will be used elsewhere as appropriate.
3.6 Leisure/retail developments are proposed around the edge of the Canting Basin, on the
River edge to the east of Dock 2 and within the listed former Engine House.
3.7 The Masterplan addresses issues of accessibility and connectivity in accordance with
City Plan policy. In order to capitalise on the unique nature of the site and its strategic
location adjacent to Pacific Quay, the Masterplan includes significant public areas.
Visual and physical connections are provided to Pacific Quay and the Canting Basin
together with a series of measures designed into the scheme to encourage use by the
public and assist in the reconnection of neighbourhoods west of the Docks to the
waterfront.
3.8 The following issues need to be addressed prior to design of a detailed scheme:
Retail and Leisure
3.9 The retail component of the scheme exceeds 1,000 sq m. Sequential testing and a retail
impact study are therefore required in order to comply with City Plan and Structure Plan
policies and National Planning Policy Guidance.
Transport
3.10 A Transport Assessment and Green Transport Plan will be required in order to determine
the detail of the layout, car parking, transport infrastructure and services. The applicant
will be required to enter into a section 75 Agreement.
3.11 Cycle parking will be required within the scheme in accordance with City Plan policy, and
the Glasgow Cycle Network should be incorporated into the scheme including a route
across the Canting Basin Bridge.
Landscape and Environment
3.12 The developer will be responsible for carrying out a site survey of ground conditions and,
by agreement with the Council, for decontaminating the site prior to development taking
place.
3.13 Flooding should be considered in the context of City Plan policy and in consultation with
SEPA.
3.14 Water safety needs to be considered in the detailed design, and quality control measures
should be put in place by the developers to ensure stagnation does not occur in the
Canting Basin where there may be active use of the water.
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3.15 The development should incorporate a SUDS drainage scheme.
3.16 Res 3 calculations will be required when a detailed scheme is designed.
3.17 A path network should provide ongoing links to local facilities including schools, and all
routes should be designed for all abilities use with no distinction between pedestrian,
cycle and wheelchair use on any of the routes. Public access must be retained along
the waterfront.
4.0 CONCLUSIONS
4.1 The Masterplan outlines a range of building types and heights, which will be fully
explored at the detailed design stage, when individual buildings and components will be
assessed in the context of City Plan and National policy guidance. The provision of
suitable amenity space, car parking and servicing provisions, refuse storage and uplift, in
addition to daylighting and privacy standards, may all have a significant effect on the
eventual form, density and layout of the development.
4.2 The development of the Graving Docks site should be viewed in the context of proposed
developments at Glasgow Harbour, SECC, Pacific Quay and the Greater Govan area.
The proposed development should be capable of integrating with surrounding building
types in terms of scale and massing. Relationships and connections with surrounding
key buildings such as the Millennium Tower and Science Centre should be respected.
4.3 The site appears to be capable of providing adequate levels of off-street car parking and
servicing by removing the majority of car parking spaces from the surface of the site. The
precise location and configuration of that parking, in addition to measures to maximise
public transport access to and from the site, as well as safety issues, would require to be
agreed through subsequent applications. In particular a Transport Assessment will
determine the extent of any works required beyond the site to the highway network/public
transport facilities.
4.4 Given the historical and architectural significance of the site, and to address phasing of
development, it is crucial that proposals submitted for the listed aspects of the site are
capable of being implemented in full. This will require the lead developer to establish a
development framework for the site, which would guarantee continuity of the
development of the site. Any phasing proposals may form the basis of a legal agreement
implemented through a Section 75 agreement to facilitate overall development of the site.
4.5 Detailed applications for the whole or constituent parts of the site, in a phased approach
to be agreed by the Council, will require to be supported by Listed Building consent(s),
Flood risk Assessment(s), Environmental Assessment(s) and Design Statement(s) to
enable the scheme(s) to be properly considered.
4.6 With regard to environmental issues, the developer will be expected to submit a detailed
flood prevention scheme and flood risk assessment which would need to be implemented
during the first phase of the development, prior to the occupancy of any of the uses on
site.
Development and Regeneration Services
FB
21April 2005

Ross
August 24th, 2005, 06:24 PM
one of those towers in the pictures above looks to be around 25~ storeys!

Boards
August 24th, 2005, 06:24 PM
Looks like things are really starting to come together down by the river. Its about time they did something with that area - I remember a good 8 years ago they were talking about a Tivoli style gardens. If we keep our fingers crossed maybe those towers will be a decent height!

gleegie
August 25th, 2005, 12:52 AM
The third tower (25 floors, 225ft) is part of the revised masterplan in which the number of homes has been doubled from 500 to 1000, but the 300 room hotel has been scrapped.

The other two towers are approx 19 floors (178ft).

McGurn Architects, now ZM, are behind it so high hopes. It's a way off though, looking at 2012.

Former Govan Graving Docks - mixed development - McGurn Architects/Valode & Pistre

The Commission commended the way in which the Graving Docks had been reinterpreted and the design developed in these proposals. Provided that the technical problems involved in inserting without essential damage a new structure into an existing one could be resolved in such a way that the conceptual basis of these inserts could be sustained, the proposals showed promise. The structure of the north dock was of particular importance. The additional building proposed within and above that structure should only be carried out so that the surface of the dock would not be compromised and would remain visible. The residential tower proposed for the eastern extremity of this dock might be expected to create greater technical difficult in this regard, to the extent that it would need to be modified or even omitted.

Social housing did not appear to have been relegated at this stage to a separate part of the site. There were no longer tower blocks proposed along the Clyde frontage. Designs for this part of the development lacked the inspired response to context evident in those for the eastern part of the site. The east west orientation of the plan would deny river views to the occupants of the majority of the dwellings.

Were a more substantial part of the fitting basin to be retained and used as a primary organisational device in terms of the site layout, in the way that the three Graving Docks had been, there should be advantage. Keeping the large basin and extending it further inland would create the opportunity for a maritime environment and views of the river over a substantial area of the surrounding site. That existing structure could be used as a generator of the plan or 'archaeological carpet'.

Although it might be commendable to connect across Princes Dock to the site of the Glasgow Science Centre, it was crucial that the bridge be openable so that Princes Dock might remain navigable. The Tall Ships would need the canting basin when they next arrived in Glasgow.

Contextual analysis of the proposals in relation to the surrounding area still appeared to be lacking. It was unclear how the pedestrian networks would relate to those in the surrounding area. This was particularly important in relation to the Clyde Walkway which ran east west through the site but apparently stopped on its western boundary. How the Walkway might extend through Govan and the impact that it might have on that area, in that neighbourhoods could integrate, needed to be established by cooperation between Council, developers and other interested parties. Reassessment of the proposed road network and service access could ensure that new development did not turn its back on its neighbours.

The issue of flooding obviously remained a serious concern. It needed to be addressed not only by both by the applicants and other parties within the vicinity of the Clyde susceptible to the same risk but also by central government and the Council leading the initiative.

Vladimir V L
August 25th, 2005, 08:44 AM
Are you sure the 25 storey ones are 68.5 m tall, thats really low ceilings. The Townhead flats (I know you love 'em :) ) are 72 metres tall and 25 floors. Im sure these new ones will be talller, simply because thats usually the case with these kinds of projects.

Jimbob
August 25th, 2005, 10:31 PM
Im glad they are doing something with the ghastly graving docks.
I was up the science tower and it was a really bad wet day, and it made them look terrible..
might make the science tower look smaller with the other towers around it.

Vladimir V L
August 25th, 2005, 10:58 PM
Maybe not, being able to count the floors of buildings nearby might give an impression of how tall the Science Tower is. Right now it kind of hard to judge...

gleegie
August 26th, 2005, 08:14 PM
I guess I was being a touch conservative. Using Dixon street as a base figure and extrapolating it would be 234ft, (pre supposing it even is 25 floors). 3m ceiling heights are the norm for new build residentials, Victorians must be about 4m? Some post war stuff went down to 2.5m!

At that height the science tower would be 60% taller at 400ft.

Vladimir V L
August 26th, 2005, 08:39 PM
Some post war stuff went down to 2.5m

Most high flats in Glasgow have ceilings of about 2.8m, that must have been some kind of regulation at the time.

Vladimir V L
August 26th, 2005, 08:40 PM
Some post war stuff went down to 2.5m

Most high flats in Glasgow have ceilings of about 2.8m, that must have been some kind of regulation at the time. This building could be 71 to 75 metres tall, not bad, thats about Edgefauld height.

M_Riaz
August 28th, 2005, 03:35 AM
Dated survey maps of cross sections of the Govan Graving Docks.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8886/gdorgpls8vo.jpg


Ariel view of graving docks from early days when Govan Rd was called Renfrew Rd.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5315/gravingdockpartplan21xv.jpg

i think this is one of Gleegies images from previous.. hope you dont mind me postin this Gleegie. :)

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2885/p12800862re.jpg

M_Riaz
December 8th, 2005, 05:41 PM
Some new renders of the Graving Docks..soon to be.

Oh Happy Days. :)


http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/7393/gd12pg.jpg

http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/1917/gd36sh.jpg

http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/5830/gd72xc.jpg

http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/3864/gd85yn.jpg

http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/770/gd95hh.jpg

Bingo Bango
December 8th, 2005, 05:50 PM
i dont like the colour of that grass. its too green, and just awful....

space_invader
December 8th, 2005, 06:09 PM
I'm thinking Grimshaw 94.

M_Riaz
December 8th, 2005, 08:21 PM
Some more green green grass of home.


http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/467/gdmapmon0ie.jpg

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1231/gd25ku.jpg

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3100/gd44dt.jpg

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2186/gd59uq.jpg

gleegie
December 8th, 2005, 09:46 PM
Looks superb, an intelligent residential scheme in Glasgow. Whatever next? Anticipating some flesh on those bones. Thanks for sourcing.

I make the towers 21, 17 and 11 floors.

Skyescraper
December 8th, 2005, 11:16 PM
I agree, this looks like a pretty intersting development! I love the design of that row of flats sitting over the southern dock.

Kentigern
December 9th, 2005, 12:29 AM
What are the exact plans for the canting basin?

Chief
December 9th, 2005, 12:39 AM
Awesome. Who are the architects?

M_Riaz
December 9th, 2005, 12:41 AM
Awesome. Who are the architects?


Zoo are the architects Chief got this info off them today. :)

Chief
December 9th, 2005, 12:50 AM
Cheers mate. And at the risk of sounds too much like David, I'd just like to say thank you for the sheer amount of work and time you put in to this forum. It's astounding.

Thank you! :)

M_Riaz
December 9th, 2005, 12:52 AM
What are the exact plans for the canting basin?

Lots of different items on the agenda for the canting basin Kentigern... there was a nautical village adjacent to the proposed marina on the southside of the basin its still in the plans as far as i am aware.
The eastern side has the Imax and futher building from PQ developments is in planning at the moment.. that will slot adjacent to the Imax,on the south western side is the much awaited Digital Media Academy from Scottish Enterprise.. when that ever comes about who knows know as they are seeking for an Anchor tenant to run the orginisation.

It all is comming together in the very near future good prospects for this part of the city. :)

M_Riaz
December 9th, 2005, 03:00 AM
Designs of blocks are based on previous shipbuilding methods on the Graving Docks of the past era.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4274/gddesignstatement18je.jpg

http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/7949/gddesignstatement9qh.jpg

crusty_bint
December 9th, 2005, 06:56 AM
Wow, I'm impressed! This view looks amazing!!!!

http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/3864/gd85yn.jpg

Vladimir V L
December 9th, 2005, 10:16 AM
Those drawings do look amazing!

pesky kid
December 9th, 2005, 11:06 AM
yeah, look out AD you got some drawing competition

space_invader
December 9th, 2005, 11:21 AM
architect is ZM architects.

this is a merged office: mcgurns and zoo.

impetus here comes from mcgurns branch.

Kentigern
December 9th, 2005, 05:31 PM
Yeah, it was the marina I was thinking of - that idea seemed to be briefly floated, then disappeared from view. Any word from those in the know?

The Boy David
December 9th, 2005, 05:53 PM
Looks pretty damn cool. Love the reference to the site's ship-building past - very cleverly done.

So whats the story then - has this been approved? Or has it just been submitted for planning?

If approved, when does it start?

Me = excited

M_Riaz
December 9th, 2005, 06:27 PM
Looks pretty damn cool. Love the reference to the site's ship-building past - very cleverly done.

So whats the story then - has this been approved? Or has it just been submitted for planning?

If approved, when does it start?

Me = excited

They are waiting for European funding David for the initial infrastructure of the Dock& Quay walls flooding strategy, GCC were the original applicants in 2003 when the 1st application went in, the rulles changed a few weeks after application was submitted.

The developers had to resubmit under a different application and therefore it has taken this long for funding to come through. but planning has gone through and it should be going ahead in the next year me thinks( i hope ) :)
Glasgow City Council
Policy and Resources Committee
Report by Director of Development and Regeneration Services
Contact: Steve Inch Ext: 77200
Govan Dry Docks :
Proposed European Development Fund Grant Application Agreement With City Canal Ltd
Purpose of Report:
The purpose of the report is to advise Members of the progress made in securing European
Regional Development Fund (ERDF) grant aid towards the costs of the investment required in
enabling infrastructure necessary to progress the development of the former Govan Dry Docks
site, and of the financial implications thereof to the Council.
Recommendations:
It is recommended that the Committee :
(a) Notes that the Council’s application seeking £6.816 million of ERDF grant towards total
enabling infrastructure costs of £23,917,809 within the Govan Dry Docks project (City
Dock Glasgow) has been recommended for approval by Strathclyde European
Partnership subject to conditions
(b) Approves expenditure of £340,816 which represents the minimum public sector
contribution required to secure the ERDF grant under the ERDF Guidelines, subject to
final approval of the grant by Strathclyde European Partnership.
(c) Approves expenditure of £119,286 which represents the management fee payable to
Strathclyde European Partnership as a standard condition of ERDF grant, subject to final
approval of the grant by Strathclyde European Partnership.
(d) Note that City Canal Ltd will reimburse the Council for the costs of the management fees
payable to Strathclyde European Partnership.
(e) Notes that the Council is currently progressing the required legal and financial
agreements with City Canal Ltd to ensure that liability for meeting the conditions of grant
are passed on from the Council (as grant applicant) to City Canal Ltd (as beneficiary)
(f) Agrees that the Council should not formally accept any ERDF grant until the Directors of
DRS and Financial Services are satisfied that the appropriate legal and financial
agreements are in place to protect the Council’s position.
Ward No(s): 53 Citywide:
Local member(s) advised: Yes x No Consulted: Yes No
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- 2 -
1 On 21 January 2003 the Committee agreed in principle that the Council should act as
public sector sponsor for an application for ERDF grant for the development of Govan
Graving Docks which is proposed by City Canal ltd. The ERDF grant would part fund the
costs of the infrastructure required to facilitate the development of the site. This course
of action was recommended on the basis that:
�� The financial appraisal for the project showed that without external grant support
the development was not viable and would not proceed
�� Approximately £15 million of the £24 million of the infrastructure expenditure
required to accommodate the City Dock development appeared to be eligible for
ERDF funding.
�� ERDF grant of up to £7 million might eventually be secured for infrastructure
works if ERDF applications were submitted, and subsequently approved, by
Strathclyde European Partnership
�� Under the ERDF guidelines applications could only be considered if submitted by
eligible bodies
�� That while City Canal Ltd was itself an ineligible body, the Council was an eligible
body which could apply on its behalf
�� The costs to the Council of securing any ERDF grant would be 6.75% of the
value of the grant (representing a minimum 5% public sector contribution, and a
standard 1.75% management fee payment to Strathclyde European Partnership)
1.2 The Council authorised officials from DRS to submit an ERDF application for eligible
elements of the infrastructure works and to report back:
• Once the application had been considered
• The decision of the application was known
• And once the full financial implications to the Council were clearer.
1.3 Officials have therefore submitted an ERDF application seeking ERDF grant of £6.816
million towards a total expenditure of £23.917 million on “enabling infrastructure” work. In
addition to preparing and submitting this application, officials have also utilised City Canal
Ltd Project Management Consultants and Legal Services teams to prepare the
supporting materials necessary to support the applications, have made presentations to
Strathclyde European Partnership Competitive Locations Advisory Group, and are
currently addressing a small number of technical issues raised by that Advisory Group.
1.4 The position has now been reached whereby the application for ERDF grant has been
recommended for approval subject to conditions being met, with formal confirmation of
this expected on June 19.
1.5 Council officials and City Canal Ltd are currently addressing these conditions and are
confident that an unconditional grant approval will be issued shortly thereafter.
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1.6 As indicated in the previous reports there is a financial cost to the Council in securing this
grant for the City Dock project. This cost consists of a minimum 5% public sector
contribution of the value of any ERDF grant received towards the costs of the project, and
a standard payment of 1.75% of ERDF grant as a management fee to Strathclyde
European Partnership. For the application this equates to payments of £340,816 and
£119,286 respectively.
1.7 This grant will ensure that the public realm, commercial area and riverside infrastructure
works are developed in full, and to the quality envisaged by the Council during its
planning discussions with City Canal Ltd. Should the grant not be secured at the rate
envisaged there is a risk that, if there are cost overruns in the infrastructure costs then
elements of the “public good” (which are non income generating for City Canal Ltd) might
be replaced by either a higher density of development or a reduced standard of public
realm and riverside facilities.
1.8 In order to ensure that the project reaches a successful conclusion it is proposed that the
Council agrees that it should not formally accept any award of ERDF grant for the Govan
Graving Docks project until:
(a) The financial negotiations between the Council and City Canal Ltd are concluded to
the satisfaction of the Directors of Financial Services and DRS
(b) The legal negotiations which are necessary to pass the ERDF conditions on from the
Council (as grant applicant) to City Canal Ltd (as grant beneficiary) are in place to the
satisfaction of the Solicitor to the Council.
Development and Regeneration Services
SI/JH
20 May 2003

gleegie
December 11th, 2005, 02:32 PM
Site by night.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/gleegieboy/gra.jpg

M_Riaz
December 12th, 2005, 12:32 AM
The site as it is.

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1177/mon5lq.jpg

The Engine House, to be converted in to a entertainment centre.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4649/enginehouse9eo.jpg

As the number and size of ships entering Glasgow Harbour grew, so did the demand for facilities for ship maintenance and repairs. Glasgow's first dry dock was built by Tod & McGregor at Meadowside in 1858, but the Clyde Navigation Trust was eager to improve facilities on the river. It opened its first graving (or dry) dock at Saltercroft in Govan in 1875 and a second in 1886.

Govan No 3 cost £241,000 to build and was one of the largest dry docks in the country when it opened in 1897. It was 880 feet long, 83 feet wide and 26.5 feet deep and could be drained in about two hours by four steam-driven centrifugal pumps.



http://www.theglasgowstory.com/images/TGSA02538.jpg

http://www.theglasgowstory.com/images/TGSA01509.jpg

Russell1
December 14th, 2005, 05:55 PM
Agreed. the residential element based on a ships basin is superb, glasgow needs more of this! Fantastic B&W photees aswell

Vladimir V L
December 14th, 2005, 06:05 PM
It also means the past is not entirely buried. These are the first designs in the city that I actually like!

bloo_toon_red
December 14th, 2005, 06:09 PM
I think the proposals are fantastic, especially when you bear in mind the history of the area. The drawings and renders are sufficiently "vague" at the moment to highlight the powerful forms, I hope the choice of materials do not detract at all from these forms.

Russell1
December 14th, 2005, 06:16 PM
wonder is the docks will be filled with water under the car park,that would be a nice little feature...

M_Riaz
December 14th, 2005, 06:44 PM
I dont think any of the housing docks will be filled rusell, dock 2 is to be filled as a feature for the whole project, underground car parks are the order of the day rather than flooding docks 1 & 3.

The development will be quite unique because of the GD's history, planners are making sure of the mix of the development so that all uses can be put to use to the highest level.

After the city failed to bring the HMS Britania to its orginal birth place this was the next item on the agenda.. although the city lost out on the bid i feel this development will work out very well for the River Clyde and Govan as a whole. :)

http://www.clydeshipping.co.uk/images/albums/22_10_2002/1038.jpg

M_Riaz
May 27th, 2006, 10:53 AM
Planning consent been given for the Graving Docks Tidal basin. :)



Reference: 05/03533/DC Community Cnl:

Govan East Address: Site At (disused Dock Land) Govan Road Glasgow Proposal: Infilling of tidal basin to provide land for mixed development including formation of new basin enclosure and river edge. Date Received: 03.11.2005 Date Valid:23.05.2006 Applicant Details: City Canal Ltd Agent Details: 0141 572 7001 ZM Architecture 62 Albion Street Glasgow G1 1NY Ward: Ibrox Type: Full Planning Permission Case Officer: Mr B Greenock, 0141 287 6028 Listing: Cons Area: Map Reference: (E) 255949 (N) 665582

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/3639/basin0sc.jpg

M_Riaz
May 29th, 2006, 08:16 PM
Maps of Form Factors @ the Proposed Graving Docks development.

http://img173.imageshack.us/img173/2015/gdmapfactors5tp.jpg

ad at home
May 29th, 2006, 09:01 PM
watch it Pesky, watch it :)

your right though bloody good drawings, don't know why I hav'nt seen them before

M_Riaz
February 18th, 2007, 10:51 PM
Valode Pistre (http://www.valode-et-pistre.com/main.php?language=data/en/ui_system.xml) The French Architects still have the Graving Docks project on their website.

I was under the impresion it was a ZM undertaking. hmmm!

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/245/vpcv4.jpg

Konigwolf
August 31st, 2007, 02:56 AM
Any word on Graving docks or is this yet another stalled project.

The Boy David
August 31st, 2007, 07:26 PM
Any word on Graving docks or is this yet another stalled project.
I think they're clearing the site for it just now, but I don't know if they're actually going ahead with it or not.

Mo'll know :)

M_Riaz
September 1st, 2007, 12:41 AM
I'm afraid things still stand as it is in post 30, sorry things don't seem to have moved on at all.

crusty_bint
September 1st, 2007, 01:07 AM
tut huh

well as long as it goes ahead it will be worth the wait

zipper
September 10th, 2007, 09:30 AM
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/Alileith/DSC02682.jpg

legslikeaspider
September 14th, 2007, 12:41 AM
^^ Yup, that's them alright :tongue4:

Seriously though, I really hope this development gets moving forward. Its such an imaginative use of the structures, I'm so excited about the potential. I really hope its not gone the way of East One.

M_Riaz
January 30th, 2008, 09:51 PM
BBC Video (http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7210000/newsid_7217200/7217270.stm?bw=bb&mp=rm&news=1&bbcws=1)

Reporting Scotalnd today had a feature on the Graving Docks redevelopoment. :) i hope it becomes reality.

New life for graving docks

Some of the last remaining shipyard docks in Glasgow are being prepared for a multi-million pound redevelopment.

maccoinnich
January 31st, 2008, 01:32 AM
A friend of mine was complaining about some developments (in Edinburgh, I think, but it escapes me) and how the new buildings just used the existing canal as a water-feature. I like the way that this actually reinforces the historic nature of the site by making reference to what used to be there in its architectural design.

BenP1976
October 14th, 2008, 12:35 PM
Has anyone heard any more about this? It's just to tantalising a development to leave to rack and ruin. If the powers that be don't get their act together soon, it will just be another isor/hole in the ground for Edinburgh to beat us about the head with come 2015.

Developers of Glasgow, Pull your fuckin finger out and get moving!

M_Riaz
February 2nd, 2009, 04:06 PM
Got this response from the CEO of NCV today. :)


From: M Riaz
Sent: 31 January 2009 22:19
To: harry@newcityvision.co.uk
Subject: Graving docks

Hi

Just wondering any further update on the graving docks proposal @ Govan? for updatiing the SSC GMA forum thread.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=249069


Hi,

The Graving Docks project is currently under review. You may recall that the scheme approved by GCC was predominantly residential and given current market conditions our board have requested a broader commercial mix and this is currently the subject of discussions with the planners in the city.

A revised plan will be lodged with the city towards the end of March.

Can I suggest you contact us again in April and we should be able to give you a more effective update.

Kind regards

Harry O’Donnell

Chairman

New City Vision Group (http://www.newcityvision.co.uk/ncv/index.asp)

http://www.newcityvision.co.uk/img/livery/logo.jpg

M_Riaz
April 21st, 2010, 10:31 PM
A Stones Throw Away (http://www.astonesthrowaway.co.uk/indexhibit/index.php?/docks/project-description/)

Project Description

A Stone's Throw Away is a public artwork that examines the relationship between two opposing locations, each uniquely representative of the City of Glasgow: The historic Govan Graving Docks (or Dry Docks) and the nearby redevelopment of the Pacific Quay. These two sites and the communities that surround them have remarkable similarities, each representing an important period of Glasgow's industrial and economic wealth: The now derelict Graving Docks and the buildings of the Pacific Quay redevelopment (including The Glasgow Science Centre, BBC, and the Digital Hub) – each in their time either were or are representations of the cutting edge of industry, and thus also represent the economic power driving development. These places are set in sharp contrast to each other both physically and historically.
A Stone's Throw Away is a project in two parts, each employing old or 'dead' communication technology from the turn of the last century. The Govan Armada uses the model of the St. Kilda mailboats, while The Govan Graving Beacon uses Morse Code – both use antiquated methods of communication to connect the Dry Docks to the newer technology next door, and the wider world.
A Stone's Throw Away is part ofAtypical Root and The Glasgow International Festival of Visual Art


The Govan Armada

find the armada
Sunday 2 May: Launch of The Armada from the Govan Graving Docks
Friday 16 April - Saturday 1 May: Glasgow Science Centre IMAX reflecting pool
description
An armada of small 'mailboats' containing messages in bottles will be 'anchored' in the Glasgow Science Centre's IMAX reflecting pool and then launched from the Govan Graving Docks on Sunday 2 May.
The Govan Armada will follow the historical model of the St. Kilda mailboats, sent from the island of St. Kilda initially by those in distress and afterwards by tourists at the turn of the last century. Construction of the mailboats will consist of a simple 'boat' structure, a message in a sealed container, and a flotation device. The boats will be made primarily from wood and other detritus floating in the Govan Dry Docks and surrounding Clyde River (redeveloped rubbish).
Initially, the Armada will be constructed by and with the local community in Govan. Armada-building workshops are scheduled at Clydebrae Studio, and with Riverside Community Hall. Construction of the mailboats is open to anyone, and it is possible to bring a boat on 2 May to be part of the Armada and the Launch Party. Contact us for details.
The Armada will be launched from the Govan Dry Docks during a 'Launch Party' on Sunday 2 May which will include a farewell ceremony to the Graving Beacon, opening of the new Govannheim Gallery, and other events. All welcome.

M_Riaz
October 29th, 2010, 01:39 AM
Green City Employment Initiative Project (http://bizdems.groupsite.com/discussion/topic/show/328881)

Green City Employment Initiative Project
To generate jobs for persons living in Govan
Green Grand Design Hotel / Garden Project involving celebrities and experts to find and use available resources including local workers to work in partnership with local college / s to build & run as a Community Cooperative using wherever possible recycled materials including furnishings, to keep costs low, attracting support & funding from green community groups, politicians, entrepreneurs & celebrities who support green issues

The Shed
Former engine shed, the property consists of two bays totaling around 32,000 sq. ft. with an eaves height of 30 ft. and 40 ft respectively.
Local eyesore together with Napier House which has now been demolished
Currently workshops and The Shed which is up for lease - for storage and expected film studio work 10 week Valhallah project Owned by Embee / McMillan Ltd

Could workshops be moved / integrated with project where interests combine or moved to church property for sale in Harmony Square??

Govan Gravings Docks
Historic solid granite works designed & built to last on River Clyde - Two smaller one larger granite docks plus one larger docking area
Currently wild area fenced off due to safety concerns area Owned by New City Vision alliance Buredi ( The Edi Group & The Burrell Company (Developments) Ltd). & BishopLoch Developments ??