Hey guys!

We thought that the members of the Eastern European forum haven't been as involved in helping to improve our forum, so we wanted to give you the opportunity to speak your minds.

So, we want to hear your suggestions on how to improve the forum, and make it more on-topic but still fun!

Please use this opportunity wisely, respect everyone's opinions and suggestions.

- EE Mod Team :)

By eliminating Eastsky.
I think if that forum were to go then this place would certainly be more fun.
Most topics take place there, the main forum is dead.
Let's not forget why this forum exists in the first place -> Architecture

The trolls would get bored and they would leave:D:D

Balkanize it into 4 or 5 mini forums. :D

I think you could copy the Israeli Forum. A sticky for each country with links to each thread about that country listed on the sticky.

Start deleting closed threads. Not the ones that are closed for reaching 500, but the shit ones that are closed for fighting or whatever else. Just delete them, it takes up space, it's more to search through when you want to find something. It sticks around and comes back (Like the Struga thread) a YEAR later and pisses half the forum off to the point that it's making tension.

I still think there should be like...almost an EastSky thread instead of a forum. One fairly unmoderated thread where all the shit can go and unless it's porn or something like that, leave it be. That would absorb most of what happens in threads, I think. If it doesn't, just move the OT posts to that thread.

I think each people should have a mod (I'd nominate Ledeni).

I think we should have our Construction Updates threads in our own forum, in the main East Europe forum. THat way there'd always be new architecture posts there, especially if we can convince the Croats to move there, or start a copy-thread and share their big projects there.

Etc, etc, etc...

^ Mine were. ;)

Serious suggestions only, please! :)

I dont understand the need for Eastsky subforum??!!
There is already such a forum by Local Discussions area, we dont need a second one here.
We need to eliminate that forum and replace it with a City Updates forum.

^ I half agree. I think it'd be nice to have everything of our own in the East Europe forum. EastSky, Construction Updates, etc.

Maybe even Classic Architecture sections and things like this. Our forum is huge, it's one of the biggest on the whole site. There's no reason we can't equip it with everything.

Starting over fresh with some new sections would be nice too, like the CLassic Architecture you could put Kruja and Berat and things...and it wouldn't be 10,000 threads but just one thread with ALL the pictures and nice descriptions, etc.

*Sigh* :D Paradisio!

I think the forum is fine. The main goal is architecture and thats one of my reasons for joining because i found some nice updates on Tirana and overall general information, but there can also be some political/non-related stuff in EastSky Cafe as long as people dont go over the top as they did in these last 2 days.

3Tmk is a fine neutral moderator, i dont think we need any new ones.

Eliminating East Sky is definately not the answer... because in EE politics is pretty much in EVERYTHING, so there will always be some politics in conversations... its just that if there is an Eastsky, the political stuff can stay in there, away from the main architectural city type stuff...

plus there is also economic news in the eastsky, which is related to architecture... you have to have the money to build. economics isnt specifically architecture though, so it wouldnt be allowed in the main forum.

I think things can stay as is... the recent changes with the added photo sections was a good idea, and maybe one more new section about old architecture would be good, but other than that, I wouldn't really change anything.

Eleminating East Sky will not bring nationalistic bull to an end. The main problem the EE Forum faces is nationalism, which is more present in the main forum and the Cities subforum then in the ESC.

Define rules for language used. Nobody can post in a language other then English in a thread unless he translates what s/he wrote to other members.

Take care of off topic posts that pop up around.

Reorganize information regarding architecture/construction related threads i.e transport (highways, motorways, airports, ports), urbanism and in city architecture/construction,...

I will cont this later,

How to improve this forum? Respect quality and sticky 'Serbian Medieval Architecture' thread again.

I agree that this subforum needs reorganization. "Motorways", "Skyscrapers", "Photo albums", "Skybar" could be just some of the subforums.

^argh argh argh, need.... water.... now :|
Good ideas, I don't quite agree on some, but we'll see how we can work it out.
For the mod, we definetly need one from the European time scales

I think Illiricum would make a good Mod

3Tmk is a fine neutral moderator, i dont think we need any new ones.

We need a new moderator not because the current ones aren't good, but because our forum is really big and we need more people to take care of it. At this moment, we only have 2 active moderators, while we need like 3 or 4.

:)

Ban anyone who have been banned before. It says in the rules that it's not allowed to re-register, I think mods should respect this rule and ban those who have broken this rule. It is just pathetic that people are allowed to register 3 times..

Tough I really doubt the EE mods will take my post seriously.
Mods don't ban people. We simply suggest it to the admins, and the final decision is theirs.

We're trying to deal with people reregistering, but sometimes the IP addresses are different, so it's difficult to tell if that person has been banned before.

illiricum for mod

Define rules for language used. Nobody can post in a language other then English in a thread unless he translates what s/he wrote to other members.

I personally agree with you, but Jan has allowed local languages other English to be used in local forums. If there are enough members against this, we can ask Jan to reconsider it - at least for EE.

:)

As for the other suggestions:

I don't think deleting EastSky will solve anything. There will always be off-topic threads, and we need a forum for them.

I definately agree on restructuring the forum. I mean, the current one works, but I think it could be better, more efficient and organized. Anyone with ideas?
I personally think we need to separate Eastern European cities and non-EE cities in Fototeka.

My suggestions:

1) Remove Fototeka - it's a useless forum that no one frequents
2) Medieval Architecture - we need a sub-forum based on medieval architecture, it could be quite interesting.
3) City Updates - A forum for Construction Updates and Projects for cities in EE

^the fototeka contains both Your Photos and Cities. Actually I should try to remember what did Singidunum have in mind, he had some good ideas for further sections.
The Updates might be good though. There could be a section for simply architecture, but right now it's just ideas, nothing is to be certain yet

I personally agree with you, but Jan has allowed local languages other English to be used in local forums. If there are enough members against this, we can ask Jan to reconsider it - at least for EE.

:)

Indeed. I agree in using local languages in cases when we copy news for example, prvided that the poster gives a rough translation of s/he has written.

It has been abused a lot with the use of local languages. As for reorganizing the forum I am organizing my ideas on it and will post them later this evening, cause now I have to go cause my pasta is boiling and I cook it al dente m))

My suggestions:

1) Remove Fototeka - it's a useless forum that no one frequents
2) Medieval Architecture - we need a sub-forum based on medieval architecture, it could be quite interesting.
3) City Updates - A forum for Construction Updates and Projects for cities in EE
1.) Fototeka includes "Your Cities" and "Your Photos", which are frequently used. Do you mean just include them as their own, separate sub-forums under EE, not under Fototeka? If so, I think that it's better to have them under a main Photo sub-forum, such as Fototeka.

2.) Is it that big that it needs it's own sub-forum? Maybe one for old architecture in general?

3.) At the moment, we have construction updates, projects on the main page of EE. I'm afraid that if we remove them, the main page will be dead. But it could be a good idea to have a sub-forum for Projects & Construction Updates.

What do you think?

As for reorganizing the forum I am organizing my ideas on it and will post them later this evening, cause now I have to go cause my pasta is boiling and I cook it al dente m))
We'll be eagerly waiting. ;)

1.) Fototeka includes "Your Cities" and "Your Photos", which are frequently used. Do you mean just include them as their own, separate sub-forums under EE, not under Fototeka? If so, I think that it's better to have them under a main Photo sub-forum, such as Fototeka.

2.) Is it that big that it needs it's own sub-forum? Maybe one for old architecture in general?

3.) At the moment, we have construction updates, projects on the main page of EE. I'm afraid that if we remove them, the main page will be dead. But it could be a good idea to have a sub-forum for Projects & Construction Updates.

What do you think?

- Fototeka is better of removed as a forum and its child forums Your Photos and Your Cities can turn into individual forums such as EastSky
- A City Updates (Construction and Project Updates) is neccessary here.

My suggestions:

1) Remove Fototeka - it's a useless forum that no one frequents
2) Medieval Architecture - we need a sub-forum based on medieval architecture, it could be quite interesting.
3) City Updates - A forum for Construction Updates and Projects for cities in EE

1) I use that subforum, there are many good photos there. Try joining us.

2) I don't think this is necessary. Create a thread and call it "Albanian medieval architecture" and problem is solved.

3) There is 'City updates' subforum, we don't need it in my opinion.

by closing it down, lmao, JK,

lol, I actually like as it is, just few rotten apples make it look bad, well if we put this aside, it is great forum, and ppl like talkng here, I like it cose of fun, ppl are very funny and make funny threads nowhere else on SSc you could possibly get away with, lol...

My opinion is that having a calm main forum does no harm to anyone. Increasing the number of subforums is helful in organizing information. This forum main objective is sharing information mostly related to architecture and urbanism. Is good to have that information easily accessible and my proposal in restructuring the forum has this in its main focus. As a consequence my proposal has an increased number of subforums.

I have the following subforums in mind:

-Creation of an infrastructure subforum dealing with information in highways. corridors, ports, airports, oil pipelines, railways and stuff like that. There is plenty of material that could occupy such forum as there are many projects going in around EE in terms of infrastructure.

- Urbanism and architecture subforum. Projects of new constructions, renovations, urban plans can be posted in this subforum. It can be good source for getting in formation on what is happening around in terms of U&A. Most of EE cities are very dynamic in terms of renovations and many projects are taking place. Many projects can be discussed in detail rather then on threads about all the city projects. Having such discussions increases the quality of the forum and information sharing can be important to many of the people who hang around this forum without a political agenda, decreasing the number of trolls.

- Natural landscapes. Having such a show room of natural beauties of EE can be very interesting. All our countries have stunning natural landscapes and having such a forum avoids getting such photos mixed with city photos. Coasts, mountains, river, falls, forests, lakes... We have many national parks and zones under protection which have a stunning beauty. Such a subforum can never get boring. Unlike urban landscapes, natural landscapes are very dynamic and the way they look changes often.

- Urban landscapes. Replacing "Your cities" subforum. This forum will show photos of EE cities just as "Your cities" forum, taking care we provide information on landmarks and the cities we post.

- "Your photos" or Photography lounge" is an important subforum. I feel more comfortable posting photos I take in a separate forum and make sure people ask permission before using them. Taking photos is not cheap if you are serious about it and having a specific subforum makes it easier for people who want to use the photos know who to ask permission, too.

My concept of the main forum is minimalistic. The following information can be appropriate in the main forum:

- Weekly bulletin organized in an separate thread with the purpose of informing members of what has been going on in the subforums, new threads or photos that have been added, new information on different projects and so on.

- "The best of EE" series.

- News not related specifically to the forum but that have to do with other important things happening on your countries. Economic news are important as much of what happens in terms of infrastructure, urbanism or architecture is directly linked with the economy.

- Forum announcements.

- Indexing of the information. Your cities list can be part of the main forum as well regional initiatives being discussed in other subforums.

Final remarks

The EE forum has a lot of information being posted. Sometimes because of this, important threads move to a second page that people often don't check. Having an increased number of subforums contributes in making information easily accessible, gives threads more time on the first page (of the subforum) bringing them to attention, distributes the heavy load some threads have making it more accessible to people on dial up connections, decreases the chances of having off topic posts and increasis the quality of the discussions and makes them more relevant to the main objective of the forum. I don't think that having a main forum that serves mainly for orientation purposes harms, but makes this scheme more appropriate. Finally, East Sky stays. I don't think removing it increases the quality of the forum and such action can have the opposite effect.

^ Careful. They might just make you a mod and tell you to do it yourself. :D

^^Some very good suggestions Illiricum, but from now on I think I will call you ill, since I don't want to have to keep checking if I spelt the entire thing right :D... unless you want to use a different name.

^^Some very good suggestions Illiricum, but from now on I think I will call you ill, since I don't want to have to keep checking if I spelt the entire thing right :D... unless you want to use a different name.


Oh then you can call me by my real name: Flavius Belisarius Ujkani Vriu :D Call me Flavius ;) I have spelled that thing wrong my self in the username :D It is supposed ti Illyricum.

that is really quite disgusting and immiture sergionni, :nono:...


and alright flavius. :) although if i am lazy i may just abbreviate that to flav :tongue2:

Oh then you can call me by my real name: Flavius Belisarius Ujkani Vriu :D Call me Flavius ;) I have spelled that thing wrong my self in the username :D It is supposed ti Illyricum.

You can get it changed in the About Forums section, from the main page, Flav. :)

Just make a thread called nick change, tell them what you want, say please (and come back to say thank you), they'll take care of it.

So what is the future of EE forum?

I'm reminding everyone that this is not EastSky. You can go and chat in there, if you like. We're looking for serious suggestions, and discussions.
Thanks. :)

I think we really need sections - like "news and developments", "construction updates", "heritage architecture" and "infrastructure".

alright, so far we've got the Updates section for sure.
I wonder should we get a section for our ancient architecture, or should we just rename Your Cities to include them?
Or instead do something like the Euroscraper forums
Updates
Skyscrapers and Skylines as part of Your Cities
Classic Architecture and Landscapes where other half of Your Cities will be put
Urban discussions which will be Your Photos
Domus Ludicrous Maximus as EastSky
And then if we really need local sections that bad, we could put them under

^ I agree on the Updates section. I think. What will be on the main EE page, again?

As for the other ones, can't they just become sub-forums of the current sections? I think they can accomodate them.

main page? nothing, just like in Euroscrapers, except our announcements, as well maybe as the Best of EE, or a sort of archive, etc. I think Singi had a good idea

main page? nothing, just like in Euroscrapers, except our announcements, as well maybe as the Best of EE, or a sort of archive, etc. I think Singi had a good idea
I'd rather have the main page be lively, than everything being on sub-forums. But that's just me personally.

You're right, having to click more always discourages people, that's why I don't go too far in some forums
I guess we could leave all development and news in the main page, but still get the update section for special topics, like for Rondo, etc

The only way to make the EE forum good is to ban the EE formers :D

^ LOL

How about an IRC chat?

Hey that's a great idea! I know i was thinking of that a while ago but just forgot about it! That would be great, make more activity amongst the forum:)

The only way to make the EE forum good is to ban the EE formers :D


Sadly, that's the only REAL way :D

So, when will this section be reconstructed?

So, when will this section be reconstructed?
I was about to ask the same question!
The way you people described the improvements occurring in Eastern Europe, I thought they meant it was going to be done quickly. :ohno:
How long does it take to make a couple of sections in a forum? :dunno:

REFORMS :D

I was about to ask the same question!
The way you people described the improvements occurring in Eastern Europe, I thought they meant it was going to be done quickly. :ohno:
How long does it take to make a couple of sections in a forum? :dunno:

REFORMS :D
Trust me, it takes a while. Honestly, the system is a bit inefficient, but we have to work with it. It's beeing discussed in the staff forums, but I have no idea how long it will take to get what we want.

How about just following the rules...
Welcome to the Eastern Europe section of Skyscrapercity.com
In order to assure a better experience on this forum, we'd like to introduce you on several little guidelines to help you along the way.
• When posting throughout the section, please stay calm and polite. There will of course be instances when a comment might make your blood boil, however remember that it might just cost you a brig too, so instead inform the matter to the moderating team
• Nationalism is omnipresent, however there is always a line between a patriot and a bigot, and we do not like when it is crossed.
• Humor is everywhere too. Try taking things a little more lightheartedly, and do not take everything too serious, no one is here to get you and no one wants your demise unless you attacked someone first
• History is important in the EE, however we do not like to have debates on it. You can present your facts when talking about a city, however do not use History to insult a person, country or city, etc.
• Politics are always in one's mind. But again try respecting each other's opinions. Do not insult a person because he has different points of views. You can post your opinion on the matter if you manage to stay calm and polite.
• If a forumer is banned, use private message. Don't create a thread: "why sdgcxdz is banned?" We'll no longer answer those anymore. We'll just delete those. Also there is no bashing thread allowed about no one from any section of SSC, from a mod to a forumer. If you're unhappy with any of our moderating and have a comment to give, do not open a new thread about it, instead PM us about it and we'll explain our actions.
• Re-registering is NOT allowed. No exceptions. If you have a problem accessing your account and need to create a new account, contact the mod team, we'll try to fix the problem and give your old account back. in any case, always inform us about it, or we will take it as an offense, think of you as a troll and ask for a ban.
• Alphabets and Languages: Jan agrees that the idea behind local forums is that people can ramble off in their own language. But you still have to conduct yourself properly even in another language.
• Finally, this section is for Urbanism, architecture, skylines, infrastructure and anything relating to the built environment. If you do not care about these issues, then SSC is not the place for you.
================================
The Main page is for every thread about projects, construction, architecture, economy, etc.
The Fototeka is divided in two and has its own rule but we'll summarize them again. The main section is for every photographic thread you might have. As for the subsections, they are Your Photos where you'll post your own photothreads. The Your Cities is for you to present a city.
As for the EastSky, it's the local skybar, so everything OffTopic goes there.
Lastly, please respect our guidelines, and have fun!

Oh, I forget, according to them (mods) these rules are not always that strict.. :|

^ First of all, it wasn't even us who made that post. And I don't understand what you're trying to say.

^ Nevermind.

I'm unsticking this thread, because until we get cooperation and organization on SSC, we cannot bring any improvements or changes to the forum.

delete

I dont understand this thing, you opened the thread and we gave our opinions, what more do you want?
EE forum should've been fixed long long time ago, it's not hard like you are saying it is.
All the Admin needs to do is divide the child forums, if you want to add another forum it takes the Admin 10 sec of his time when he goes to Admin Panel.
Have you consulted with him?
What do you mods think needs to be done, whose ideas do you agree with?
Jeez i feel like in kindergarten with all this explanation:D

I dont understand this thing, you opened the thread and we gave our opinions, what more do you want?
EE forum should've been fixed long long time ago, it's not hard like you are saying it is.
All the Admin needs to do is divide the child forums, if you want to add another forum it takes the Admin 10 sec of his time when he goes to Admin Panel.
Have you consulted with him?
What do you mods think needs to be done, whose ideas do you agree with?
Jeez i feel like in kindergarten with all this explanation:D
I don't want to get into the details, but I want to make sure that you guys know we're not blaming you. We're greatful for all the suggestions, but unfortunately we ourselves do not have enough authority to make the improvements that we aspired to.

How do improve the Eastern European forum?

Remove Sergei as mod. :)

I second that!

you know a mod's popularity is a way to know how good he is.
The more hated he is, the better moderator he is.
The best example is De Snor who was so good a mod he became hated by all in the DLM.
So us mods in reality try to be as hated as possible, so please, somebody start a petition to demod me!

How do improve the Eastern European forum?

Remove Sergei as mod. :)



I second that!
Calling out mods on the forum is prohibited. If you got something to say, you can PM the mod in question and tell him that you think he sucks.
Consider yourselves warned.

Why can't we elect our mods? :(

^ Then more than one nationality would be satisfied. :)

Can't have that. ;)

^ Then more than one nationality would be satisfied. :)

Can't have that. ;)
Serbs, Ukrainians, and Bulgarians are one nationality? Since when? :dunno:

Get real guys, if mods were elected, the most popular one would get picked not the one best suited for the job. Jan, the admins and the other mods pick new mods. That's how it has always been and that's how it's always going to be.
It is Jan's site afterall and the current mods are donating their time to maintain it.

Serbs, Ukrainians, and Bulgarians are one nationality? Since when? :dunno:

Serbs, UkrainiaN, and BulgariaN - you mean. :)

Serbs, Ukrainians, and Bulgarians are one nationality? Since when? :dunno:
Indeed, playing the victim is always easy.

There are also a British, a Dutch and a Lithuanian mod keeping their eyes on things. Pretending that moderation in the EE is biased is flat out false.

I think that a fair system would have been if we could vote on approving the mod who was chosen for us.

As in, they ( other mods ) nominate and we approve it.

Serbs, UkrainiaN, and BulgariaN - you mean. :)
Wow, you must be slow. Stevan resigned weeks ago. And even if Stevan was still a moderator, you yourself once said that he was an excellent mod. Just because he warned you on one occassion and you had your regular hissy fit doesn't mean he did anything wrong.

^ I'm not talking about mods, I'm well aware you guys are on cloud 9. I'm talking about the forumers.

Indeed, playing the victim is always easy.

There are also a British, a Dutch and a Lithuanian mod keeping their eyes on things. Pretending that moderation in the EE is biased is flat out false.
:applause:

^ I'm not talking about mods, I'm well aware you guys are on cloud 9. I'm talking about the forumers.
Are you sure you didn't mean the mods.

"Serbs, UkrainiaN, and BulgariaN - you mean."

I'm pretty sure you're trying to point out the fact that there are two Serbian mods, one Ukrainian mod, and one Bulgarian mod.

Yes, Stevan was a great mod. I told him that privately several times, and mentioned it in the forum as well. As I recall, I never had a single disagreement with him, not one about his decisions or his moderating style. I even put his personal link in my signature.

Then I get brigged for "over-reacting" to Serb calls for my people's extermination, I read the Eurostaff section, and see all his posts about how horrible I am, how he can't say anything to me because I'll say it's only because he's a Serb.

Anyone who earns my respect, and is then too stupid to value it or realize he has it, loses it pretty quick. ;)

I'd rather Singidunum now than him.

Are you sure you didn't mean the mods.

"Serbs, UkrainiaN, and BulgariaN - you mean."

I'm pretty sure you're trying to point out the fact that there are two Serbian mods, one Ukrainian mod, and one Bulgarian mod.

I was talking about one nationality being satisfied, referring to forumers.

I thought you said: Serbian, Ukrainian, and Bulgarian forumers are satisfied.

So I said: No, Serbs, UkrainiaN, and BulgariaN forumers. meaning one Ukrainian and one Bulgarian on the forum is satisfied.

Anyhow, I'm out this thread now. :)

You see, I have to worry about being brigged or banned.

You don't.

Yes, Stevan was a great mod. I told him that privately several times, and mentioned it in the forum as well. As I recall, I never had a single disagreement with him, not one about his decisions or his moderating style. I even put his personal link in my signature.

Then I get brigged for "over-reacting" to Serb calls for my people's extermination, I read the Eurostaff section, and see all his posts about how horrible I am, how he can't say anything to me because I'll say it's only because he's a Serb.

Anyone who earns my respect, and is then too stupid to value it or realize he has it, loses it pretty quick. ;)

I'd rather Singidunum now than him.
Who gave you the right to read the Eurostaff section? And maybe he doesn't care about having your respect. What he said is true. If anyone says anything about you or one of your threads, it's because they are Cetnik Serbs. Your problem is that you always try to find some sort of conspiracy against you or Bosniaks and try to accuse the moderators of favouring Serbs or being nationalist Serbs.

I remember the time when someone closed one of your threads and you blamed it on Singidunum even though he hadn't been online for the past 12 hours.

^ Well he gave out the registration information of Bosniaks to his Serb forumer friends. :) Why wouldn't we then suspect him for everything? And the fact he's still here, and a mod, after breaking one of the forums fundamental rules, probably even privacy laws (given the site promises to keep your information private), shows how objective this forum is. We could probably sue Jan if we had the money and patience.

And enough with the "everybody's a Cetnik" bullshit. There's only a handful here who I'd truly considered cetniks - Singidunum, Majevcan, KM, and Saray - though Saray is more young and stupid than Cetnik.

^ Well he gave out the registration information of Bosniaks to his Serb forumer friends. :) Why wouldn't we then suspect him for everything? And the fact he's still here, and a mod, after breaking one of the forums fundamental rules, probably even privacy laws (given the site promises to keep your information private), shows how objective this forum is. We could probably sue Jan if we had the money and patience.

And enough with the "everybody's a Cetnik" bullshit. There's only a handful here who I'd truly considered cetniks - Singidunum, Majevcan, KM, and Saray - though Saray is more young and stupid than Cetnik.
Singidunum and KM are Cetniks? :hilarious

You obviously don't know them well enough then.

^ Well I know the side they show non-Serbs well enough. ;)

^ Well I know the side they show non-Serbs well enough. ;)
:| Mila for the judge of the universe. What should I label you then?

Singi never showed any nationalistic behaviour. If you think adding SCG to the thread titles of Kosovo picture threads is nationalistic, then I suggest removing the forum rule which states that the country name must be in the thread title. Remember that this rule was one that you campaigned for. Then we can return to having Banja Luka, RS.

^ Incapable of letting anything, from the smallest annoyance to the gravest insult, slide. :)

Bitchy, quick to jump to conclusions, tempermental, etc.

But I've never called for the extermination of Serbs, I've never made fun of the holocaust, etc. So I'm still averaging higher than your crowd.

Can we stick back to the topic please?

Anyways, I was wondering what the point of regular forumers was if we are not allowed to choose our mods or express our opinions toward them. It's a basic system, we're all just sheep and the mods are shepherds. Is it not?

But I've never called for the extermination of Serbs, I've never made fun of the holocaust, etc. So I'm still averaging higher than your crowd.
Neither have I. Or Singidunum. Or most other Serbs on this forum.

BTW add provoker to your list of descriptions.

Singidunum and KM are Cetniks? :hilarious

You obviously don't know them well enough then.

You honestly don’t get it…

^ Well he gave out the registration information of Bosniaks to his Serb forumer friends. :) Why wouldn't we then suspect him for everything? And the fact he's still here, and a mod, after breaking one of the forums fundamental rules, probably even privacy laws (given the site promises to keep your information private), shows how objective this forum is. We could probably sue Jan if we had the money and patience.

And enough with the "everybody's a Cetnik" bullshit. There's only a handful here who I'd truly considered cetniks - Singidunum, Majevcan, KM, and Saray - though Saray is more young and stupid than Cetnik.
I am not sure how did you come up with the IP thing but that's an utter lie. Why would I even want to do such a thing. Couple of times your accusations proved to be wrong (for an example Cipiripi got your IP from Wikipedia but you accused me once again) so therefore you are the one not to be trusted not me.

And thanks for calling me a cetnik. Now I have a reason enough for your brig.

^ Well he gave out the registration information of Bosniaks to his Serb forumer friends. :) Why wouldn't we then suspect him for everything?
And the fact he's still here, and a mod, after breaking one of the forums fundamental rules, probably even privacy laws (given the site promises to keep your information private), shows how objective this forum is. We could probably sue Jan if we had the money and patience. I didn't understand what you try to say here? Some mod gave (who?) to other forumers non-mod, registration information about members of this forum or maybe I mixed something here?


And enough with the "everybody's a Cetnik" bullshit. There's only a handful here who I'd truly considered cetniks - Singidunum, Majevcan, KM, and Saray - though Saray is more young and stupid than Cetnik.

But I've never called for the extermination of Serbs, I've never made fun of the holocaust, etc. So I'm still averaging higher than your crowd.Who called for the extermination of somebody? Mod of this forum who is still mod here? Do you have a link on that post?

^ Hehehe, yeah, that's me - always provoking. Even when my first post is responding to something said previously by someone else, I start it. :lol:

Post a picture of a mosque and half the forumers are horribly offended, so what can we do? Allow you to spread your historical, cultural supremacy bullshit with no response? Allow you to post twenty threads about one Bosnian man who converted to Orthodox Christianity without a response? Allow you to label threads Republika Srpska as though it were a country without a response? Allow you to start threads about snail farming in Bosnia without a response? Allow you to start threads about all of the people of the world being descendant from Serbs without a response?

Don't think so. :)

You leave us alone, we'll leave you alone. Until then, you can play the victimization card all you want too. ;) Though, I'm sure, ShiRo won't have a problem with that half of equation doing it.

You honestly don’t get it…
Coming from the guy that said he is good at math, and then said that if add the average salaries in the Federation (x) and RS (y), you get the average salary for Bosnia (x + y). :rofl:

I didn't understand what you try to say here? Some mod gave (who?) to other forumers non-mod, registration information about members of this forum or maybe I mixed something here?

Singidunum gave Kommandant Mark the IP addresses and some other information for Bosniak forumers, and SinCity I believe as well?

KM, or something, told MIMICA, Mimica told us, we told gothicform, gothicform said Singidunum would get another chance.

Now enough time has passed that, apparently, people are denying it even happened. ;)

^ Hehehe, yeah, that's me - always provoking. Even when my first post is responding to something said previously by someone else, I start it. :lol:

Post a picture of a mosque and half the forumers are horribly offended, so what can we do? Allow you to spread your historical, cultural supremacy bullshit with no response? Allow you to post twenty threads about one Bosnian man who converted to Orthodox Christianity without a response? Allow you to label threads Republika Srpska as though it were a country without a response? Allow you to start threads about snail farming in Bosnia without a response? Allow you to start threads about all of the people of the world being descendant from Serbs without a response?

Don't think so. :)

You leave us alone, we'll leave you alone. Until then, you can play the victimization card all you want too. ;) Though, I'm sure, ShiRo won't have a problem with that half of equation doing it.
Of course you're always responding to someone else's provocations. :|

And we don't play the victim card. Sorry.

Singidunum gave Kommandant Mark the IP addresses and some other information for Bosniak forumers, and SinCity I believe as well?

KM, or something, told MIMICA, Mimica told us, we told gothicform, gothicform said Singidunum would get another chance.

Now enough time has passed that, apparently, people are denying it even happened. ;)
that something could be Mimica's imagination as well. I never gave anyone's IP to KM. the end.

And maybe he doesn't care about having your respect.

Then, firstly, he's a fool. Secondly, he should've just said so - instead of PMing me, "Do you have that photo in full size, my Mila?", "Don't delete your photos because of what Sergionni said, Mila. Other people would like to see them, don't let him win."

Blah blah blah.

that something could be Mimica's imagination as well. I never gave anyone's IP to KM. the end.

Yeah you did. I don't think you even denied it back when this was going on?

We'll have to ask gothicform.

Then I get brigged for "over-reacting" to Serb calls for my people's extermination, I read the Eurostaff section, and see all his posts about how horrible I am, how he can't say anything to me because I'll say it's only because he's a Serb.

I think that what you read in the mod forum was out of context perhaps.

You should know other people are not that stupid. If you come to a 3rd mod and say something like "Singidunum is giving IPs away" he will probably not have a single reason to beleive you.
Also may I remind you this forum is privately owned and anyone who is dissatisfied is free to leave.

And Singi, when you're done brigging me for standing up to you, try doing your fucking job for a change:

Excuse me but this is the eastern Europe forum, not the Arab Pakistan Mujahid Allah Taliban forum, so maybe you should go wish your happy Ramadan to them because Europe is a Christian continent.

I bet Sarajka isn't even fasting. If she lived in any REAL Muslim country, she would have been stoned to death a hundred times by now.

THIS is what Europe is all about:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/pics678/orthodoxy.jpg

Granted I provoked him with a Happy Ramadan thread for all the Bosniaks, Albanians, Turks, and visitors to the EE forum. ;) But still, that's worth a brigging as much as calling someone a Cetnik is.

I think that what you read in the mod forum was out of context perhaps.
Why is she reading the mod forum at all? The mod forum is hidden to allow privacy for mod discussions and is only supposed to be open for mods. It might as well be public then.

^^
Yep it is but I can`t open every thread and read all of the posts you know. That's why you are supposed to send me a PM like all other forumers do.

^ Oh, well I didn't read it. :) (It works for Singidunum, will it work for me? :lol:)

Why is she reading the mod forum at all? The mod forum is hidden to allow privacy for mod discussions and is only supposed to be open for mods. It might as well be public then.
It was a bug. Brigged forumers could read mod forums and Sarajka took advantage of this bug.

or express our opinions toward them.
you can..., use the PM.

And of course the forumers don't choose the mods themselves.
This is not a democracy.

Singidunum gave Kommandant Mark the IP addresses and some other information for Bosniak forumers, and SinCity I believe as well?

KM, or something, told MIMICA, Mimica told us, we told gothicform, gothicform said Singidunum would get another chance.

Now enough time has passed that, apparently, people are denying it even happened. ;)When that happiend and do you have prove for that?

And Singi, when you're done brigging me for standing up to you, try doing your fucking job for a change.
There are other mods for EE. Why go straight to attacking Singidunum? He can't brig anyone. He can only recommend it, which means it has to be approved by higher mods. That means that you can also voice your concerns to the Euromods rather than just blaming Singi for everything. It's obvious that you have some friends yourself in the moderating staff that allow your constant attacks towards mods like Sergei and Singidunum to go unpunished. Especially since most of your attacks are unwarranted.

Why is she reading the mod forum at all? The mod forum is hidden to allow privacy for mod discussions and is only supposed to be open for mods. It might as well be public then.
It happened during the hacking.
Brigged forumers could read the mod forums all of a sudden.

OK just a little info-Sarajka is now brigged so don`t expect her to troll this thread for some time.

^^^ :hahaha:

I agree Sarajka goes a little overboard sometimes... but she shouldn't be brigged...

Especially...Since Poonman is still a registered user! :weirdo:

I agree Sarajka goes a little overboard sometimes... but she shouldn't be brigged...
Don't worry. She'll be back, more annoying than ever. If that's even possible.

^^
He is in a process of getting a ban :)

And Sarajka was brigged before so I don`t see a reason not to brig her again when she crosses the line.

Everyone just needs to cool down

We would have hilareous election campaigns here if it was a democratic system :D

I bet there would be campaign banners, avatars of support and other interesting stuff. :)

Everyone just needs to cool down
:yes:

We would have hilareous election campaigns here if it was a democratic system :D

I bet there would be campaign banners, avatars of support and other interesting stuff. :)


We had it on Polish Forum (banners avatars etc :D )! We were deciding in elections !!
It is sad that Poles are more democratic than Western Europeans ;)

It happened during the hacking.
Brigged forumers could read the mod forums all of a sudden.Hacking, mods gave in public IP's of the all Bosniaks members of this forum, what you guys still didn't told us? Give us one more suprise? KM hacked PC of the one of the Bosniak forumers here thanks to mod who gave him IP's of all Bosniaks here? It is true that moderation of the forum is not democracy but server of this forum is in democratic state with very powerfull legal system so even queen have some legal limitations.

I bet there would be campaign banners, avatars of support and other interesting stuff. :)
Did you see the polish mod election (the one nation forum btw ;)). They even made campaign websites!

Ok ok, lets read my words

IMO EE Forum transformed mostly to garbage, well lets write about problems.
First problem on EE were some Serbs with some nationalist bullshitting, everyone was complaining about it, we solved it fine. Some were banned, some are returning and beeing banned constantly, and rest turned to be okay. This is almost solved.
And we had some croats and some bosnians, older forumers will know for sure who is that, they were banned too, suddenly some forumers were complaining a lot how they were banned, but why ? They were banned for same reasons like serbian forumers before but now banning non serbians forumers was nationalistic chetnik rampage ? Right ? Oh sorry, dont be that double-faced. Rules will are same for everyone.

Now we have that situation that every good news from Serbia and around is beeing bombed with arguments of some bosnian forumers about Srebrenica, literaly every good news. Serbia prepares herself to enter EU - srebrenica, serbs didn't earned it! BiH has problems with police reforms, of course Serbian goverment is guilty, than again srebrenica story. I want to tell you all - i am sure all normal Serbian forumers are very sorry about the tragedy happened in Srebrenica, and we all happens justice will reach those people caused it, now there is a big but, some forumers missuse this tragedy to negativize another side as much as possible. Look, look first on yourselves than on other, other side is not always guilty for your problems. It is always easy to move fault on other side. It happens but now ppl exxagerated with it. You should simple learn to respect other side, i didn't saw israelis on euroscrapers posting about holocaust on almost every thread about Germany. They simple learned to have respect to this tragedy, please learn you too.
I wrote this all from view of a serbian forumer here, we almost don't have a normal chance to discuss about ordinary things b/c of some forumers crashing threads with misuse of tragic things happened in the past.
I still don't care which nationality does a forumer has, for me the rules are same for all, for bosnians, for serbs, for ukrainians and even for mozambiquans. A small example, the threads should have correct name like Banjaluka,RS, Bosna i Hercegovina and not BanjaLuka,RS this is not correct and shows a great disrespect to country Bosnia and Hercegovina. But the same i expect for threads about Kosovo, to be written Kosovo, SCG. When it gains indenpendence than you can write whatever you want, now Kosovo is not indenpendent.

Same rules for all

I still don't care if you like or dislike me b/c of things i wrote.

lol I wouldn't mind us having elections. Can I see a campaign website of Polish-subforum elections? :D

lol I wouldn't mind us having elections. Can I see a campaign website of Polish-subforum elections? :D


:( Kotbehemot's website is not active :( But it was amazing website :D

I can imagine :)

We can`t have elections since we are too diverse. It would be like choosing president of Europe (not EU).

That would be part of the fun. I can already picture people making advertisements on photoshop with slogans next to them "Honesty. Equality. Hardwork."

:D

Ok ok, lets read my words

IMO EE Forum transformed mostly to garbage, well lets write about problems.
First problem on EE were some Serbs with some nationalist bullshitting, everyone was complaining about it, we solved it fine. Some were banned, some are returning and beeing banned constantly, and rest turned to be okay. This is almost solved.
And we had some croats and some bosnians, older forumers will know for sure who is that, they were banned too, suddenly some forumers were complaining a lot how they were banned, but why ? They were banned for same reasons like serbian forumers before but now banning non serbians forumers was nationalistic chetnik rampage ? Right ? Oh sorry, dont be that double-faced. Rules will are same for everyone.

Now we have that situation that every good news from Serbia and around is beeing bombed with arguments of some bosnian forumers about Srebrenica, literaly every good news. Serbia prepares herself to enter EU - srebrenica, serbs didn't earned it! BiH has problems with police reforms, of course Serbian goverment is guilty, than again srebrenica story. I want to tell you all - i am sure all normal Serbian forumers are very sorry about the tragedy happened in Srebrenica, and we all happens justice will reach those people caused it, now there is a big but, some forumers missuse this tragedy to negativize another side as much as possible. Look, look first on yourselves than on other, other side is not always guilty for your problems. It is always easy to move fault on other side. It happens but now ppl exxagerated with it. You should simple learn to respect other side, i didn't saw israelis on euroscrapers posting about holocaust on almost every thread about Germany. They simple learned to have respect to this tragedy, please learn you too.
I wrote this all from view of a serbian forumer here, we almost don't have a normal chance to discuss about ordinary things b/c of some forumers crashing threads with misuse of tragic things happened in the past.
I still don't care which nationality does a forumer has, for me the rules are same for all, for bosnians, for serbs, for ukrainians and even for mozambiquans. A small example, the threads should have correct name like Banjaluka,RS, Bosna i Hercegovina and not BanjaLuka,RS this is not correct and shows a great disrespect to country Bosnia and Hercegovina. But the same i expect for threads about Kosovo, to be written Kosovo, SCG. When it gains indenpendence than you can write whatever you want, now Kosovo is not indenpendent.

Same rules for all

I still don't care if you like or dislike me b/c of things i wrote.

Finally a some voice of reason in the middle of this pandemonium. :applause:
Somebody must stop this continuous and, i'm sorry to say, onesided vicious circle of hatered.

Stevane, slazem se 99% , samo ti mogu zameriti to sto si Jugosovenski rat uporedio sa Holokaustom. Inace, I might stop coming to this forum because it's so boring reading some thread about Aerodrom Nis which descends into a Srbijansko-crnogorski pissing contest, with some Albanians saying actually no, Pristina is not in Serbia, Podgorica is 80km from Tivat blah blah blah.... Hundreds of one photo threads, constant small provocations by everyone, boycott by Croats, dominance of Balkanci who have basically deterred the other EE members from posting here. Just relax people, don't bring history into everything. I don't bring the Ballists, Nazis, Ustashe, Ottoman Turks etc into everything, I don't post about Kosovo talks, police talks in BiH, why can't you just be normal people and stop living politics 24/7?

lol who will use soviet poster like propaganda?

lol who will use soviet poster like propaganda?

I would

Ok ok, lets read my words

IMO EE Forum transformed mostly to garbage, well lets write about problems.
First problem on EE were some Serbs with some nationalist bullshitting, everyone was complaining about it, we solved it fine. Some were banned, some are returning and beeing banned constantly, and rest turned to be okay. This is almost solved.
And we had some croats and some bosnians, older forumers will know for sure who is that, they were banned too, suddenly some forumers were complaining a lot how they were banned, but why ? They were banned for same reasons like serbian forumers before but now banning non serbians forumers was nationalistic chetnik rampage ? Right ? Oh sorry, dont be that double-faced. Rules will are same for everyone.

Now we have that situation that every good news from Serbia and around is beeing bombed with arguments of some bosnian forumers about Srebrenica, literaly every good news. Serbia prepares herself to enter EU - srebrenica, serbs didn't earned it! BiH has problems with police reforms, of course Serbian goverment is guilty, than again srebrenica story. I want to tell you all - i am sure all normal Serbian forumers are very sorry about the tragedy happened in Srebrenica, and we all happens justice will reach those people caused it, now there is a big but, some forumers missuse this tragedy to negativize another side as much as possible. Look, look first on yourselves than on other, other side is not always guilty for your problems. It is always easy to move fault on other side. It happens but now ppl exxagerated with it. You should simple learn to respect other side, i didn't saw israelis on euroscrapers posting about holocaust on almost every thread about Germany. They simple learned to have respect to this tragedy, please learn you too.
I wrote this all from view of a serbian forumer here, we almost don't have a normal chance to discuss about ordinary things b/c of some forumers crashing threads with misuse of tragic things happened in the past.
I still don't care which nationality does a forumer has, for me the rules are same for all, for bosnians, for serbs, for ukrainians and even for mozambiquans. A small example, the threads should have correct name like Banjaluka,RS, Bosna i Hercegovina and not BanjaLuka,RS this is not correct and shows a great disrespect to country Bosnia and Hercegovina. But the same i expect for threads about Kosovo, to be written Kosovo, SCG. When it gains indenpendence than you can write whatever you want, now Kosovo is not indenpendent.

Same rules for all

I still don't care if you like or dislike me b/c of things i wrote.
:applause:

BTW I think the lack of respect shown towards all of the mods including Singidunum, Sergei, 3tmk, and even non-EE mods is disgusting. I would like to see one of us be a moderator for even one day to see how hard it is to balance the interests of the administrators, the interests of forumers, and the interests of themselves. They are people as well and dedicate their time to improve the quality of the forum, even if you don't agree with their actions. Everyone here has the habit of attacking the mods whenever something doesn't go their way. The situation with the present moderators is fantastic in comparison with the problems that were happening before the EE section received moderators. Anyone who feels that that time period was better, must be insane.

In conclusion, thank you Singidunum, 3tmk, Sergei, Stevan, Shiro, etc. for the good work. Too bad I seem to be one of the only ones that cares to show this respect. :(

Stevane, slazem se 99% , samo ti mogu zameriti to sto si Jugosovenski rat uporedio sa Holokaustom..

Nisam imao nameru da ih direktno poredih nego sam uzeo da pojacam moju zamisao. Obe stvari su zastrasujuce, oba konflikta su sustinski razlicita ali ono sto se desilo jevrejima to je najmonstruoznije sto je svet ipak video, ipak i pored toga nemci i izraelci se trude da gledaju u buducnost a ne da spoticu jedne drugog prosloscu, sad to prenesi na nas slucaj.

One advice from me...we need a little less of the word "Belgrade".
I just came back from Serbia & Montenegro...there's a lot more interesting things to see there than just Belgrade, especially in the latter part;)

Ok ok, lets read my words

IMO EE Forum transformed mostly to garbage, well lets write about problems.
First problem on EE were some Serbs with some nationalist bullshitting, everyone was complaining about it, we solved it fine. Some were banned, some are returning and beeing banned constantly, and rest turned to be okay. This is almost solved. Are you sure about that? What about excecution thing?



And we had some croats and some bosnians, older forumers will know for sure who is that, they were banned too, suddenly some forumers were complaining a lot how they were banned, but why ?Don't know more about history so I will not go inside this.


Now we have that situation that every good news from Serbia and around is beeing bombed with arguments of some bosnian forumers about Srebrenica, literaly every good news. Serbia prepares herself to enter EU - srebrenica, serbs didn't earned it! BiH has problems with police reforms, of course Serbian goverment is guilty, than again srebrenica story. I want to tell you all - i am sure all normal Serbian forumers are very sorry about the tragedy happened in Srebrenica, and we all happens justice will reach those people caused it, now there is a big but, some forumers missuse this tragedy to negativize another side as much as possible.You talk here about politics and people have a different opinions and we call that democracy. So what is your problem with democracy? I also don't think that Serbia deserve 1% to start talks with EU and also Bosnian PM Terzic accused Belgrade to blocked Bosnian police reform. So it is also politic and I don't think that you like moderator here need to intervane in stuffs like this one. If discussion is civilised you are able to relax but it seems that you don't like political view of some forumers here and you delete them becuase of that not becouse they broked some forum rules? Maybe that is problem? People have theirs own opinion and you cannot stop that.


Look, look first on yourselves than on other, other side is not always guilty for your problems. It is always easy to move fault on other side. It happens but now ppl exxagerated with it. You should simple learn to respect other side, i didn't saw israelis on euroscrapers posting about holocaust on almost every thread about Germany. They simple learned to have respect to this tragedy, please learn you too.
I wrote this all from view of a serbian forumer here, we almost don't have a normal chance to discuss about ordinary things b/c of some forumers crashing threads with misuse of tragic things happened in the past.
I still don't care which nationality does a forumer has, for me the rules are same for all, for bosnians, for serbs, for ukrainians and even for mozambiquans.What about that Serbian guy who called for excecution of all Bosniaks? What about Bosniaks and Sin City (also Bosniak I guess) IP's in wrong hand? Sarajka spoken about that? Israel is not in Europe so they even don't post on Euroscrapers and Israel-Germany relations are not super even 60 years after WW2. If we translate relations Israel-Germans in the Bosnia-Serbia relations than we will start talk perhaps in 2050 or something like that. So what you ask with that "respect tragedy"? That we shut up about that and forget all about that? I will first not "respect" that war crime not "tragedy". Tragedy was in New Orleans but in Srebrenica it was excecutions and genocide and only those are words good enough to describe things there 1995.

Maybe you should talk with your friend Kommadant Mark? If he spoken about holocaust like he does about Srebrenica genocide and etc. he will be banned long time ago but how I see he even didn't get a warning?

Same rules for all
I still don't care if you like or dislike me b/c of things i wrote.Are they same roles for all? Don't go personal, today you are Stevan and tommorow you are able to be Kommadant Mark or Saray so nobody care except how you act like moderator and did you neutral like moderator or you protect and give to the your Serbian friends IP's of the other forumers or not?

You know it's pathetic how you guys hear one person say something and immediately follow him on false accusations.
It's even worse than when a troll here was trying to give advice on how to run Euroscrapers to an admin.
And most of all, if you guys think this is a democracy, you're very mistaken.

Oh, fun times!

a tear is sliding down my face.