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Kampflamm August 27th, 2005, 12:36 PM This is probably the biggest reconstruction project in Germany right now. The area around the Frauenkirche will be rebuilt in a classic and modern way which means that most buildings will be reconstructed along with some modern additions.
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/31-Juli05/qf5.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/31-Juli05/q4-2.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/aug05/neumarkt2.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baywobau/landhausstrasse.jpg
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5011/s43001820xz.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/aug05/neumarkt6.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/aug05/neumarkt5.jpg
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/3100/prisco46vi.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/1111/bay21zu.jpg
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2635/prisco21wz.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6963/s43001777ro.jpg
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI09494e05b.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/8384/vergleich6pe.jpg
Nemo August 27th, 2005, 01:37 PM Super!!
StoneRose August 29th, 2005, 07:32 PM Great. Can't wait to see it finished.
SinCity August 30th, 2005, 05:22 AM ^^ Me too! I cant wait to see it all completed. Its great to see that church reinstated considering it remained a pile of rubble for many decades. :okay:
Phobos August 30th, 2005, 11:56 PM It's god to see they are rebuilding part of the heritage of this great baroque city.
I remember seeing a picture showing an ugly commie in that square and now what we see are old buildings being rebuilt :)
Arpels September 1st, 2005, 12:56 PM nice :applause: very well done, fantastic project to Dresden!!
Kampflamm September 2nd, 2005, 10:44 PM http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8950/baywo16aa.jpg
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/8708/baywo30zy.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8386/baywo58en.jpg
http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/3805/vvk14jj.jpg
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/645/prisco10mr.jpg
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/9607/prisco26km.jpg
chukchi September 3rd, 2005, 12:21 AM Fantastic project. Dresden is gorgeous
Pobbie September 3rd, 2005, 01:12 AM I'll second that. It's a shame so much of it was lost in WW2.
michal1982 September 7th, 2005, 12:09 AM i love it!!! germany should do more reconstructions in the country!!!
LuckyLuke September 7th, 2005, 04:10 PM I love these reconstruction projects
Following pictures are taken from http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9606/pict01092xk.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2842/pict01170lz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/744/rocaille7xb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Bass September 8th, 2005, 01:42 PM Dresden is great, I love the initiative to rebuild this magnificent city. It's the only good choice. I was there last year, but I see there has been done a lot lately.
michal1982 September 20th, 2005, 01:59 AM lovely !!
Kampflamm September 24th, 2005, 12:06 PM http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/sept05/7.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/sept05/hotel-de-saxe1885.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/sept05/6.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/sept05/sued.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/sept05/12.jpg
http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/7495/salomonis6hm.jpg
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8845/salomonisapotheke3iz.jpg
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/3006/prisco7fd.jpg
The brick buildings will later on look like this (white and yellow buildings + the round building at the corner)
http://www.sz-online.de/bilder/2003_07/gr_501054_308563935.jpg
http://www.sz-online.de/bilder/2003_07/gr_501054_578741912.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/sept05/4.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/sept05/1.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/sept05/2.jpg
No reconstructions in that street (can't have everything I guess)
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/sept05/18.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/sept05/toepfergasse.jpg
The left side will be reconstructed while most of the rest will get a new look
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/sept05/qf.jpg
sts September 24th, 2005, 06:16 PM Marvellous project!!
knolleke September 24th, 2005, 10:42 PM let us all clap our hands for germany
:)
ryjek September 26th, 2005, 09:16 AM I was in Dresden two months ago. This area looks very impressive. And the church is simply breathtaking, stunning. Dresden become a pearl again.
Kampflamm September 29th, 2005, 07:36 PM This probably fits in here. Some pics of the interior of the reconstructed Frauenkirche:
http://212.227.220.31/fkdd/_img/upload/pressebilder/FK5-179.jpg
http://212.227.220.31/fkdd/_img/upload/pressebilder/FK5-184.jpg
http://212.227.220.31/fkdd/_img/upload/pressebilder/FK5-243.jpg
http://212.227.220.31/fkdd/_img/upload/pressebilder/FK5-130.jpg
http://212.227.220.31/fkdd/_img/upload/pressebilder/FK5-125.jpg
http://212.227.220.31/fkdd/_img/upload/pressebilder/FK5-147.jpg
http://212.227.220.31/fkdd/_img/upload/pressebilder/FK5-037.jpg
http://212.227.220.31/fkdd/_img/upload/pressebilder/FK5-078.jpg
http://212.227.220.31/fkdd/_img/upload/pressebilder/FK5-094.jpg
Neumarkt
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/945/prisco13ft.jpg
http://www.sz-online.de/bilder/2003_07/gr_501054_578741912.jpg
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2310/prisco24wf.jpg
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4189/baywo15gy.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/488/vvk12cq.jpg
---> the area pictured above will eventually look like this
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/vvk-quartier2/vvk-neumarkt.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3343/vvk24da.jpg
LuckyLuke September 29th, 2005, 10:47 PM Thanks Kampflamm for the new pictures! :)
The interior looks great.
Is the reconstruction already finished?
goschio September 30th, 2005, 08:21 AM Fantastic project!
I wish, Frankfurt would get seomthing like this for its Altstadt as well. Unfortunately, the latest proposals look very unpromising.
Kampflamm October 9th, 2005, 03:56 PM More pics:
Check out the new lampposts
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/bausituation_oktober/bausituation_oktober09.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1452/lampe3ut.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/bausituation_oktober/bausituation_oktober13.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/bausituation_oktober/bausituation_oktober05.jpg
http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/3771/baywo24zi.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/3947/baywo19bf.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/prisco-quartier1/hummel-visualisierung.jpg
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http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/bausituation_oktober/bausituation_oktober03.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/bausituation_oktober/bausituation_oktober10.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/bausituation_oktober/bausituation_oktober02.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/bausituation_oktober/bausituation_oktober06.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/bausituation_oktober/bausituation_oktober07.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/vvk-quartier2/rampische.jpg
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http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/bausituation_oktober/bausituation_oktober14.jpg
Kampflamm October 9th, 2005, 04:11 PM Some more pics of the Frauenkirche
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5210/altarraum6je.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/2504/3621251dresdner20frauenkirche2.jpg
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/2184/3621252dresdner20frauenkirche2.jpg
LuckyLuke October 9th, 2005, 04:18 PM Aaah Beautiful! It's going really fast!
Kampflamm October 9th, 2005, 04:27 PM Yeah, it's quite incredible how quickly you can change the face of an entire city. I wish West German cities would tear down and reconstruct buildings as well. In a mere decade we could have beautiful cities again.
LuckyLuke October 9th, 2005, 04:29 PM Unfortunately it would be too expensive in west german cities IMO
StoneRose October 15th, 2005, 01:29 AM Yeah, it's quite incredible how quickly you can change the face of an entire city. I wish West German cities would tear down and reconstruct buildings as well. In a mere decade we could have beautiful cities again.
Yep. Everytime I see all pics of Hannover I get all sad. What a beauty it was.
steppenwolf October 15th, 2005, 01:34 AM http://www.cityguide-dresden.de/sightseeing/images/neumarkt31.jpg
brilliant project iMo.
Kampflamm October 15th, 2005, 11:03 PM http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/okt05/16.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/okt05/22.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/okt05/hw.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/okt05/8.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/okt05/17.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/okt05/1.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/okt05/12.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/okt05/19.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/okt05/1928.jpg
Kampflamm October 15th, 2005, 11:43 PM http://www.trapp-qf.de/img/Galerie/p2005-10-06_01_gr.jpg
http://www.trapp-qf.de/img/Galerie/b2005-10-06_01.jpg
http://www.trapp-qf.de/img/Galerie/b2005-10-06_02.jpg
http://www.trapp-qf.de/img/Galerie/b2005-10-06_05.jpg
Kampflamm October 17th, 2005, 07:32 PM http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4345/baywo4kz.jpg
http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/2355/prisco15cw.jpg
http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/9886/prisco47ua.jpg
http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/3084/prisco27za.jpg
Timoth12 October 18th, 2005, 01:11 PM Superb pictures and information. I also like the idea of buildings reconstruction along with some modern additions.
This is quite a big project and ongoing quite fast.
savas October 18th, 2005, 02:19 PM it looks really fantastic... What a great idea... Just great
sts October 18th, 2005, 02:37 PM Thanks for the update of this gorgeous project!
angelika October 19th, 2005, 01:11 PM It's like in Warsaw, many things will be reconstructed into 2-3 years ... Breslaw / Wroclaw is like Dresden, beautiful ...
Max BGF October 22nd, 2005, 09:36 AM @Kampfy, great pictures :applause:
Kampflamm October 23rd, 2005, 03:14 PM Kann man in Stuttgart nicht auch den Markplatz abreissen und neu aufbauen?
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/2371/prisco13di.jpg
http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/8650/prisco21xo.jpg
http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/3581/prisco34qt.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3968/vvk5wq.jpg
http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/2138/neumarkt8rz.jpg
alexx02 October 24th, 2005, 05:53 AM I think it's incredible that they are rebuilding it, but isn't there something artificial about it.
I'm just sad that such a beautiful city was destroyed. Just shows the feebleness of mankind in a way.
Max BGF October 24th, 2005, 11:55 AM Kann man in Stuttgart nicht auch den Markplatz abreissen und neu aufbauen?Aufbau auf niederstem Niveau (Straßenniveau) wird stattfinden. Ganz aktuell (http://www.stuttgart.de/sde/item/gen/163775.htm)
Das Rathaus mit seiner häßlichen Front steht gar unter Denkmalschutz :(
und wurde jüngst für 27 Mio € modernisiert...
michal1982 October 25th, 2005, 06:10 PM wooow great job well done dresno!!!
Kampflamm October 29th, 2005, 10:37 AM http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/7150/s4300782klein5tf.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6962/s4300791klein4si.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1190/prisco0ez.jpg
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6789/prisco20oq.jpg
http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/7210/baywo6cl.jpg
http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/8586/panorame8fl.jpg
Monkey October 29th, 2005, 01:53 PM Are the dark blocks on the cathedral original stones? It looks a little odd given that the rest is so spanking new. I suppose they want to use the original stonewrk where they can. I am thilled to see a European city that was destroyed in the war being rebuilt in the traditional style. Poland did a lot of this as well. There are places in Britain that could really benefit from this approach.
Bass October 29th, 2005, 02:13 PM I visited Dresden last year, it's very impressive. Beautiful pictures!
vigo80 October 29th, 2005, 02:48 PM Are the dark blocks on the cathedral original stones? It looks a little odd given that the rest is so spanking new. I suppose they want to use the original stonewrk where they can. I am thilled to see a European city that was destroyed in the war being rebuilt in the traditional style. Poland did a lot of this as well. There are places in Britain that could really benefit from this approach.
Yes the black parts are the original stone ... but the color is a natural occurence, the church was all black before it was destroyed and the new church will also change color to a dark black over several genations - long after we are all dead :)
LuckyLuke October 29th, 2005, 04:16 PM It's done... The lady is back :)
On Sunday Dresden will celebrate the reopening of the Frauenkirche more than 250 years after the first opening. The german TV channel ZDF will broadcast the ceremony.
http://img491.imageshack.us/img491/3425/fk23040ks.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/5717/fk51082rx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
1900 and now:
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2374/blickjuedenhof193620050or.jpg
Source: http://www.aphforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=142&start=792
LuckyLuke October 29th, 2005, 04:23 PM There are places in Britain that could really benefit from this approach.
The reconstruction wouldn't have been possible without the help from all over the word and especially from the UK. Brithish Dresden Trust chairman Alan Russell and the Queen helped alot to realize the reconstruction.
Monkey October 29th, 2005, 07:46 PM The reconstruction wouldn't have been possible without the help from all over the word and especially from the UK. Brithish Dresden Trust chairman Alan Russell and the Queen helped alot to realize the reconstruction.Ahh the Queen. She's a sweetie. :)
Whose Homepage October 29th, 2005, 08:11 PM Yes, isn't she! :)
Kampflamm October 29th, 2005, 11:18 PM Let's not give her too much credit now.
Koniaczeq October 30th, 2005, 12:45 AM Dresden is starting to look great once again. I dont know why but it was always one of my favorite cities in Germany.
Sergei October 30th, 2005, 03:19 AM Awesome project! Sure it looks a bit too "new" and artificial, but I think once it's all finished, it will look really good.
The church is amazingly beautiful!
LuckyLuke October 30th, 2005, 02:49 PM http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/9565/22400483tl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
A ceremony is being held in the German city of Dresden to consecrate the Church of our Lady which was destroyed by Allied bombing during World War II.
The charred remains of the Frauenkirche were left for decades by East Germany's communist authorities.
Its reconstruction began after German reunification, partly financed by private donors in Britain and the US.
Sunday's ceremony is being attended by representatives from around the world - including the Duke of Kent.
The baroque sandstone dome of the reconstructed Frauenkirche dominates the Dresden skyline, and now the church is being consecrated.
It is the end of a story that began on a cold night in February 1945, when Allied bombers carried out one of the most notorious air raids of World War II.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4389904.stm
Kampflamm October 30th, 2005, 03:12 PM http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,535710,00.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,535706,00.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,535718,00.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,535712,00.jpg
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http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,535720,00.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,485263,00.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,435890,00.jpg
alexx02 October 31st, 2005, 12:46 AM incredible.
Whose Homepage October 31st, 2005, 03:26 AM So how are things looking around the Neumarkt? Did they get rid of that horrid police building? And what about the Hilton or whatever -- it's far from a beauty & has no business in the vicinity of the Frauenkirche. :down:
Kampflamm October 31st, 2005, 11:22 AM The Police buildings was demolished, the Hilton's still there, as you can see in this pic. It's far from being a beauty but compared to other GDR buildings (yes it was built before 1990) it looks acceptable.
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,535714,00.jpg
Kampflamm October 31st, 2005, 11:30 AM This will be built in the lower right part of the previous pic
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6867/baywoschild5lx.jpg
http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/7823/schildgro3ll.jpg
goschio October 31st, 2005, 11:45 AM Wundervolle Entwicklung. :)
LuckyLuke October 31st, 2005, 10:48 PM The part (behind the tower of the Frauenkirche) of the "Quartier 3" project, shown by Kampflamm in his previous post will look like this.
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/3264/anderfkskizze1dc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Inside the Frauenkirche
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/3314/39356838zo.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Whose Homepage November 1st, 2005, 01:36 AM The Police buildings was demolished, the Hilton's still there, as you can see in this pic. It's far from being a beauty but compared to other GDR buildings (yes it was built before 1990) it looks acceptable.
Thanks, Kampflamm. :) And thank you also for showing all these great pictures! :okay:
LoveCPH November 4th, 2005, 10:59 PM Hello Kampflamm! :wave:
Your photos are really good :yes:
But I was wondering, the new lampposts, are they totally new? And why didn't they reproduce the old lampposts?
And also, have they reconstructed all the buldings at the Neumarkt? Because if I compare som eof the old and new pictures, I notice that there's one or two buildings missing.. Warum ? :happy:
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Kampflamm November 5th, 2005, 02:24 PM Thanks (although they're not my pics :D )
But I was wondering, the new lampposts, are they totally new? And why didn't they reproduce the old lampposts?
I think they are. The old ones look a bit different. IMO the new ones actually look a bit to "christmassy". To be honest I really don't know why they didn't use the old ones. Unter den Linden in Berlin is being "outfitted" with classic lampposts as well but they're using the pre-war ones.
And also, have they reconstructed all the buldings at the Neumarkt? Because if I compare som eof the old and new pictures, I notice that there's one or two buildings missing.. Warum ?
There's actually lots of construction still going on. A couple of "Quartiere" are still w/o any building activity at all and as I mentioned in one of the previous posts, not all buildings will be reconstructed. There are some modern additions like this one:
http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/8926/baywo26pa.jpg
Other pics
http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/1498/baywo12fu.jpg
http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/3428/baywo35ph.jpg
http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/6795/vvk1ci.jpg
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9045/prisco9dm.jpg
Building nearby the Neumarkt which could be reconstructed soon (Kurländer Palais)
http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/1851/kurland4un.jpg
Kampflamm November 6th, 2005, 03:47 PM http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/2419/pict02578mr.jpg
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/5448/pict02587nv.jpg
Kampflamm November 6th, 2005, 03:53 PM Some additional pics of the Frauenkirche (a concert was held in there a couple of days ago)
http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/8907/16zh.jpg
http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/9813/17hj.jpg
http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/4442/17qo1.jpg
http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/1428/11zx.jpg
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/9673/18yb1.jpg
Kampflamm November 9th, 2005, 12:20 PM http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/nov05/1.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/nov05/3.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/nov05/6.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/nov05/8.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/nov05/16.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/nov05/26.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/nov05/28.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/nov05/24.jpg
http://dataware.de/~combase/fkdrv/images/campics/image.jpg
Kampflamm December 3rd, 2005, 01:27 PM http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/dez05/2.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/dez05/1.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/dez05/9.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/dez05/10.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/dez05/hw24.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/dez05/14.jpg
VVK-Quarter
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/dez05/7.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/dez05/4.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/dez05/5.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/dez05/16.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/dez05/jl23.jpg
Quartier III will be built here soon
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/dez05/13.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/dez05/jl21.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/quartier3/skizze-big.jpg
George5 December 6th, 2005, 03:21 PM I agree that things in Dresden go in good direction. Any chance that other mayor cities in Germany follow Dresden example? Why Berlin didn't constructed copies of the buildings least in centers of the Berlin before WW2?
sts December 6th, 2005, 04:20 PM Amazing project,just amazing!
Kampflamm December 6th, 2005, 04:24 PM I agree that things in Dresden go in good direction. Any chance that other mayor cities in Germany follow Dresden example?
No not really I suppose. West German cities had a building boom after WW2 so projects on a scale like this are nearly impossible since everything's been rebuilt already.
Berlin chose to reconstruct some main areas (Pariser Platz near the Brandeburg Gate, Leipziger Platz near the Potsdamer Platz) with new buildings but old "traufhöhen" (ie, the buildings alongside the Pariser Platz couldn't be higher than their pre-war predecessors but the architects were more or less able to choose the facade they wanted). IMO Berlin missed a great chance when it went down that path.
Kampflamm December 11th, 2005, 05:26 PM http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/89/3367089/1024_6563313333636232.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/89/3367089/1024_3235613965636132.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/89/3367089/1024_6238623665303734.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/89/3367089/1024_3561353037383536.jpg
Quartier II:
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/89/3367089/1024_6363373761643536.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/89/3367089/1024_3130646334356135.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/89/3367089/1024_3064623633323234.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/89/3367089/1024_3738373535306234.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/89/3367089/1024_3738616638396566.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/89/3367089/1024_3737353565356136.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/89/3367089/1024_3063666139366137.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/89/3367089/1024_6235366561323034.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/89/3367089/1024_6131343964623664.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/89/3367089/1024_6639346339366639.jpg
http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/1393/s4300983klein8sw.jpg
http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/3169/s4300990klein5ov.jpg
http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/1235/s4300995klein3xu.jpg[/quote]
steppenwolf December 12th, 2005, 02:15 AM Building brand new heritage is a bit Disneyland isn't it. It looks nice but it's not real
steppenwolf December 12th, 2005, 02:18 AM I mean, if we can just rebuild lost buildings doesn't it devalue genuine heritage somewhat? - "Knock it down its just old, if we want it back we can just build a copy some other time..." Or "lets brush over that bit of our history we arent happy with and build as though it never happened"...??
Kampflamm December 12th, 2005, 02:46 AM Are you implying that we are somehow denying history. These buildings stood there for centuries and there are plenty of other reminders of WW2. It's also not disneyland-architecture. If Dresden had built a fake Loire castle in place of the Frauenkirche, you could have a point but we're seeing a great example of a reconstruction.
BTW, did you know that the clock tower on St Mark's Square in Venice is a reconstruction?
http://www.ashlintree.com/Globus%20Italy/Image007%20saint%20marks%20square.jpg
Mercutio December 12th, 2005, 03:10 AM I hope, I will witness the day when architecture and city-planning are not heavily influenced anymore by dull ideologists who want to transform our cities in soulless concrete jungles.
The Neumarkt project clearly shows that a positive change has already occurred, even in Germany. This project is really one of my favourites! :cheers:
vigo80 December 12th, 2005, 06:29 PM Building brand new heritage is a bit Disneyland isn't it. It looks nice but it's not real
Who cares if its "real". Nobody says Paris or Florence are among the world's most beautiful cities because they are "real"... they are beautiful cities because they have beautiful buildings. And why is it unreal to build in older styles, people have done that for centuries and nobody called it unreal. Come on London and Paris are full of neo-classical and neo-gothic buildings that were builts based on style that were first developed centuries or millenia in the past. Birmingham is full of "real" ugly modern buildings and has gotten nothing but jokes and ridicule for it. We should build our cities to be functional and attractive and comfortable and not to be "real"..
http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~kstanek/Photos/London/uk6.gif
^^^^ These buildings are also not real - neo-gothic from the late 18th century, built about 500 years too late.
LoveCPH December 12th, 2005, 06:44 PM There's nothing wrong with neo-gotchic. It was modern back then..
michal1982 December 14th, 2005, 04:49 AM NICE UPDATE
goschio December 14th, 2005, 06:47 AM Building brand new heritage is a bit Disneyland isn't it. It looks nice but it's not real
Of course those buildings are real. Cant you see?
Just because the mainstream prefers to build with glass and steel does not mean that buildings of different syles become unreal. This is the future! If I am going to biuld a house, it will be in art deco style. Is that unreal then too?
Kampflamm December 21st, 2005, 12:13 AM Christmas time in Dresden
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2849/dresden15bn.jpg
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/1804/dresden36ze.jpg
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/5661/dresden42iu.jpg
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/2977/dresden55xb.jpg
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/3894/dresden60ty.jpg
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/3735/dresden71jp.jpg
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/5513/dresden84zy.jpg
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/8628/p10100451dj.jpg
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/6730/p10100460eg.jpg
LuckyLuke December 24th, 2005, 02:14 AM Christmas time 2007 in Dresden will be great!
JohnnyMass January 6th, 2006, 06:16 PM It will!:D
Should we meet there?:lol: What about a "I LOVE DRESDEN" meeting?:D
Kampflamm January 14th, 2006, 02:30 PM http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4221/prisco12cg.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/820/prisco25ky.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3831/prisco39yc.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/428/prisco44pu.jpg
http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/284/baywo15ao.jpg
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8720/vvk19cs.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3025/vvk24lj.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/469/vvk30uv.jpg
LoveCPH January 14th, 2006, 02:55 PM Thank you great kampflam :)
What's the blue at the fundament/bottom of the buildings?
Kampflamm January 14th, 2006, 03:05 PM I think that's insulation. They're certainly gonna cover that up.
GNU January 14th, 2006, 05:32 PM ^^^^ These buildings are also not real - neo-gothic from the late 18th century, built about 500 years too late.
and the houses of parliament are also a reconstruction. The original building burnt down.
After that they chose to rebuilt it in the very same way.
Reconstructions are a good thing in most cases imo.
There have been buildings in Germnay with hundreds of years of history and culture. Many of those buildings were destroyed in a matter of a few minutes.
Theres nothing wrong with rebuilding them.
Kampflamm January 14th, 2006, 06:44 PM Are you sure about the Houses of Parliament. I always thought they were pure neo-gothic, with some old parts incorporated into the new building.
Or are you only talking about the debating chamber of the House of Commons?
Kampflamm January 14th, 2006, 08:03 PM Some additional wintery pics of Dresden:
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/dez05/winter12.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/dez05/winter9.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/dez05/winter6.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/dez05/winter14.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/dez05/winter16.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/dez05/winter20.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/dez05/winter21.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/dez05/winter23.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/dez05/winter25.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/dez05/winter24.jpg
GNU January 15th, 2006, 10:21 PM Are you sure about the Houses of Parliament. I always thought they were pure neo-gothic, with some old parts incorporated into the new building.
Or are you only talking about the debating chamber of the House of Commons?
Yep. Im quite sure.
a fire in 1834 destroyed much of the old building.
Heres an article:
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:KQx6VG8EyfQJ:www.aboutbritain.com/HousesParliament.htm+houses+of+parliament+fire+reconstruction&hl=de
from the article:
"The magnificent Gothic Revival masterpiece you see today was built between 1840 and 1888, this was the work of Charles Barry who designed the buildings to blend with nearby Westminster Abbey."
Kampflamm January 15th, 2006, 10:39 PM But you said that it was a reconstruction, implying that the Houses of Parliament has looked like it does right now for centuries. It was gothic revival just like Vienna's town hall, the Votivkirche, and Hungary's parliament.
GNU January 15th, 2006, 11:16 PM ^^ Well the point I wanted to make was that a reconstruction project like in dresden has not much to do with disney architecture ( as one forumer stated).
Im not sure how the houses of parliament looked before the destruction ( Im too lazy to look it up now).
The houses of commons though are a reconstruction as youve already stated.
Kampflamm January 16th, 2006, 01:41 AM Well, eclecticism/historicism does have a Disneyish side to it. Architects didn't come up with new styles, they just copied various styles that had been out of date for centuries. The Ringstrasse in Vienna is a great example for that where they chose to build, among many other buildings, a parliament in a neo-classicist way (reminiscent of the democracy in old Greece) and a neo-gothic town hall (I guess during that age the councils/mayors etc. were pretty influential, just look at Brussels).
Gneisenau January 19th, 2006, 08:36 PM Thanks for the photos Kmapfnamn. Dresde looks very nice with the snow over the buildings.
vigo80 January 31st, 2006, 03:18 PM A few good new photos of the development from the website of the Neumarkt Club
They're small but in my opinion impressive photos.
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/jan06/1.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/dez05/panorama.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/jan06/4.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/dez05/winter7.jpg
JohnnyMass January 31st, 2006, 04:49 PM no.2 is :drool:
Kampflamm February 15th, 2006, 03:27 PM http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1650/prisco14yu.jpg
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8650/prisco21xo.jpg
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/5724/prisco41is.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4489/albert8zu.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7161/baywo13qj.jpg
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6652/baywo24hv.jpg
http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/2092/vvk15jl.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8950/vvk29ez.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/jan06/jl10.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/jan06/1.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/jan06/15.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/jan06/7.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/jan06/9.jpg
LuckyLuke February 16th, 2006, 03:55 PM amazing
CborG February 18th, 2006, 12:14 AM Fantastic! Bit by bit is the city getting his grandeur back.
michal1982 March 4th, 2006, 06:17 AM any latest pictures
Gatsby March 4th, 2006, 07:46 AM funny, isn't it Odessa Opera on that hoarding?
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3831/prisco39yc.jpg
Mercutio March 4th, 2006, 10:12 AM funny, isn't it Odessa Opera on that hoarding?
No, it's the "Semperoper" from Dresden.
http://www.digital-dresden.info/ddpix/semperoper.jpg
SinCity March 6th, 2006, 03:29 AM Wow, returning to some of its former glory :okay: ....
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/dez05/panorama.jpg
LuckyLuke March 27th, 2006, 07:07 PM http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/72/3376472/1280_3232633237616134.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/72/3376472/1280_6266333735396234.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/72/3376472/1280_6264386565623939.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/72/3376472/1280_6330386234346438.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/72/3376472/1280_6336633563363337.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/72/3376472/1280_6231653264363164.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/72/3376472/1280_6239656536653338.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/72/3376472/1280_3162336361386235.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/72/3376472/1280_3436393962623630.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/72/3376472/1280_3564373638333064.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/72/3376472/1280_6463333431303166.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/72/3376472/1280_3936616636346166.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/72/3376472/1280_3031306461623565.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/72/3376472/1280_3964303866333163.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/72/3376472/1280_3765343733623438.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/72/3376472/1280_3364306362636265.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/72/3376472/1280_6231643965366634.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/72/3376472/1280_3161313837376532.jpg
Arpels March 27th, 2006, 07:56 PM its almoust ready :banana:
LuckyLuke March 27th, 2006, 08:20 PM It will take some more years to complete the whole Neumarkt Arpels...
Just take a look on this map. Only Quartier I and parts of Quartier II and IV are under Construction right now
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/2870/dresden210000ct.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
LuckyLuke March 27th, 2006, 08:25 PM Quartier IV is nearly completed
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/808/s43008772qc.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5151/s43008871gy.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3302/s43008881uj.jpg
Arpels March 28th, 2006, 01:08 PM WOW :uh:
Kampflamm March 28th, 2006, 02:20 PM A lot of work still needs to be done but I'm pleasantly surprised. All of those modernists who speak out against reconstructions should visit that square and actually talk to the people.
Even some of the modern buildings look halfway decent
Not yet finished
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/maerz06/16.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/prisco-quartier1/neue-planung-details.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/maerz06/12.jpg
alexx02 March 30th, 2006, 06:51 AM http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/maerz06/12.jpg
Incredible. Just curious...that frieze to the right in the photo I believe, which I believe is a mosaic: what does it depict?
Just curious.
AJphx March 30th, 2006, 07:07 AM good progress.... its looking very nice.
sts March 30th, 2006, 11:41 AM Better and better,well done Dresden!
LuckyLuke March 30th, 2006, 02:01 PM Incredible. Just curious...that frieze to the right in the photo I believe, which I believe is a mosaic: what does it depict?
Just curious.
It's called the "Fürstenzug" and it shows of all saxon regents. This fresco was made between 1872 – 1876 by W. Walther. In 1907 the porcelain manufacture of Meissen transferred the painting on 24,000 little porcelain tiles to resist weathering. With a length of 102 meters and a height of 10 meters it is world’s biggest porcelain mosaic.
http://www.dresden-und-sachsen.de/dd2/xpics_dd/fuerstz.jpg
LuckyLuke March 31st, 2006, 02:43 PM Quartier II
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4751/245vg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7773/159yg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/392/145zj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Quartier I
A mix between traditional and modern roofs
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2205/169gd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6035/172dz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Schroedinger's Cat April 12th, 2006, 12:13 PM awesome reconstruction!
Kampflamm April 12th, 2006, 01:31 PM The Hotel de Saxe and its lobby
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/vvk-quartier2/freiberger/5.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baywobau/lobby3.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baywobau/lobby1.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baywobau/friedrich-august.jpg
A restaurant
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/vvk-quartier2/freiberger/6.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/vvk-quartier2/freiberger/1.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/vvk-quartier2/freiberger/8.jpg
Kampflamm April 23rd, 2006, 12:22 PM Some new pics
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/april06/18.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/april06/12.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/april06/4.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/april06/23.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/april06/1.jpg
http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/373/spa504721ue.jpg
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/8845/spa504737pa.jpg
-{ Rick }- April 23rd, 2006, 02:01 PM Absolutely great :eek2: :eek2: !
Giri April 23rd, 2006, 06:25 PM Were those concessions to contemporary architecture necessary ? It looks cheap.
Iktinos April 23rd, 2006, 11:02 PM @Giri, sad to say, that those concessions are necessary right now... And yes, those modernist buildings are pretty ugly. But future generations might be able to create real beauty again. There is always hope.
satama April 28th, 2006, 02:12 AM http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/april06/4.jpg
I like these modern buildings very much. I see absolutely nothing ugly in them. They have that old style sturdyness (looking like a stone building).
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/prisco-quartier1/neue-planung-details.jpg
http://fotoalbum.jimmysvensson.com/albums/wien/normal_DSC00076.jpg
http://www.hirohurl.net/michaelerplatz.jpg
That white building reminds me very much of Adolf Loos building (1910) in Vienna's Michaelerplatz which also has it's fare share of baroque architecture. Quite similar in style.
Vrachar April 30th, 2006, 11:06 PM Just take a look on this map. Only Quartier I and parts of Quartier II and IV are under Construction right now
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/2870/dresden210000ct.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Considering this map I made my map of Quartiers using Google Earth.
The map is quite old (2003 - my estimate) and you can see how each Quartier looked before reconstructions.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a219/dljhtm/dresden/Dresden_google_earth.jpg
Q I: Frauenkirche is on the right, still under reconstruction.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a219/dljhtm/dresden/Q1.jpg
Q II
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a219/dljhtm/dresden/Q2.jpg
Q III: Still, there is old DDR-police bulding on the right of the pic. It is demolished in 2005.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a219/dljhtm/dresden/Q3.jpg
Police building again.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a219/dljhtm/dresden/Q3a.jpg
Q IV: Today, here is Hotel de Saxe
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a219/dljhtm/dresden/Q4.jpg
Q V
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a219/dljhtm/dresden/Q5.jpg
Q VI: On the right you can see Neumarkt with preserved old bricks.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a219/dljhtm/dresden/Q6.jpg
Q VII: Which this building represent? :?
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a219/dljhtm/dresden/Q7.jpg
Q VII
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a219/dljhtm/dresden/Q8.jpg
:cheers:
Carpenter May 1st, 2006, 12:42 AM lovely! city :happy:
The Frauenkirche is the prettiest and more original barroque temple at the world, without doubts :drool: :drool: :drool:
Valia May 2nd, 2006, 01:28 AM That is very pleasant to see the reconstruction of a so charming city. As Carpenter said, the Frauenkirche is a genial work of barroque architecture :drool:
Pizarro May 3rd, 2006, 11:18 PM sad to say, that those concessions are necessary right now... And yes, those modernist buildings are pretty ugly. But future generations might be able to create real beauty again. There is always hope.
Iktinos,
Please explain why those concessions are necessary right now??? They ruin an otherwise beautiful ensemble! How could they let investors build stuff like that? Is it because they are cheaper to build?
Kampflamm May 3rd, 2006, 11:31 PM Most architects hate reconstructions. And sadly these people are usually able to influence politicians (on city councils etc). Hence in order to get some reconstructions, the proponents of these reconstructions will then have to make some concessions to the modernists.
Carletto May 10th, 2006, 03:19 PM Q VII: Which this building represent? :?
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a219/dljhtm/dresden/Q7.jpg
It's the Kulturpalast, in all its commie beauty! :D
http://www.kulturpalast-dresden-erhalten.de/jpg/seiten_vorn.jpg
I look forward to seeing it in rubble! :D
Vrachar May 10th, 2006, 09:38 PM ^^
Thank you very much for the info! :okay:
Kampflamm June 5th, 2006, 02:22 PM http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/2539/luftbildneumarkt6ed.jpg
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/6968/luftbildalt7do.jpg
http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/3953/dscf07695tt.jpg
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/9106/dscf07196er.jpg
http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/1161/dscf07847xw.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5131/s43002116jc.jpg
http://www.globalphotos.org/dresden/IMG_0803.jpg
Kampflamm June 5th, 2006, 02:24 PM This is what the building site behind the Frauenkirche (1st pic previous post) might look like in a couple of years.
http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/3327/entwurf2mj.jpg
LuckyLuke June 26th, 2006, 11:37 PM Big Update
Quartier I
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3189/prisco18xd.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4307/prisco24hm.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/4974/prisco39lv.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/6599/prisco49vk.jpg
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7310/prisco51gj.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5349/prisco65ot.jpg
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/3448/prisco76hr.jpg
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/153/prisco84wk.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2377/prisco99lh.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5005/prisco101tj.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/1093/prisco115kz.jpg
Quartier II
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/1069/vvk14ke.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5758/vvk22dq.jpg
Rampische Straße 5 & 7:
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8400/vvk34je.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1184/vvk41dh.jpg
Castle
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2465/schloss2gj.jpg
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/6996/friedrich0if.jpg
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/2294/richter10lu.jpg
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/354/richter28cr.jpg
Tiaren June 29th, 2006, 06:18 PM Thanks very much! :)
LuckyLuke July 14th, 2006, 01:35 AM http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7743/prisco19rm.jpg
http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/9771/prisco23ao.jpg
http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/3940/prisco30cn.jpg
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/4788/prisco42us.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1575/prisco59io.jpg
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7385/prisco63to.jpg
http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/3797/prisco73pw.jpg
http://img426.imageshack.us/img426/337/prisco87lu.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/juli06/17.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/juli06/19.jpg
Kampflamm July 14th, 2006, 01:38 AM Beautiful. That light blue building has to be my favourite.
Kampflamm July 14th, 2006, 01:47 AM I still think it's incredible that such a project could ever become reality in Germany, a country where buildings are always connected to (and almost held responsible for) our dreadful history.
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI09494e05b.jpghttp://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5959/vergleich18fc.jpg
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI09494e11b.jpghttp://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8775/vergleich34ai.jpg
Really BIG pictures
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5919/img25518st.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5747/img25522vn.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/juli06/16.jpg
Kampflamm July 14th, 2006, 01:14 PM Nobody in their right mind could say that the building on the right is better/prettier than the one on the left. Modern architecture blows.
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7385/prisco63to.jpg
Max BGF July 22nd, 2006, 01:29 AM ^ True.
:) :master: :) Admirable Dresdens Neumarkt project :) :master: :)
michal1982 August 31st, 2006, 03:33 PM great job!!!!!
GNU September 1st, 2006, 03:46 PM Nobody in their right mind could say that the building on the right is better/prettier than the one on the left. Modern architecture blows.
Thats a stupid generalization.
Should we start to built everything like its a 100 years old?
Honestly, we have to be carefull that we dont go down the retro path too much.
The Neumarkt project is great, but we cant say modern architecture is shit.
It isnt. Theres crappy modern architecture and theres great modern architecture.
Would I, for instance want a retro brickhouse stadium instead of the Allianz Arena? surely not.
El_Greco September 1st, 2006, 04:41 PM I agree with Kampflamm.Most modern buildings are shit :
Then :
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/El_Greco/MasonCollege1960.jpg
Now :
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/El_Greco/library.jpg
:crazy: How sick is that?
Its great to see old buildings being rebuilt.
Kampflamm September 1st, 2006, 06:01 PM Should we start to built everything like its a 100 years old?
Honestly, we have to be carefull that we dont go down the retro path too much.
The Neumarkt project is great, but we cant say modern architecture is shit.
It isnt. Theres crappy modern architecture and theres great modern architecture.
Would I, for instance want a retro brickhouse stadium instead of the Allianz Arena? surely not.
I'm talking about everyday architecture. Compare the modern buildings of the Neumarkt to the old ones and you'll see that much more work has gone into the old ones. I'm not saying we should go back to those days, architecture obviously progresses, I'm just saying that we should perhaps try to use past architecture as inspiration for new buildings.
Anyway, some new shots: http://www.aphforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=142&start=1596
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/157/vvk1mp5.jpg
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/6599/vvk2kw0.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8541/vvk3fk2.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9365/vvk4fr6.jpg
Comparison
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/nachbarn-gross.jpg
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/6622/s4300267modhm7.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9109/s4300268modik3.jpg
paku September 1st, 2006, 10:33 PM Great effort from Dresden! If these buildings are a reconstruction from a scratch, then they are really impressive. The color of the roofs could be a bit toned down, but I guess it'll look about right after getting dirty.
Kampflamm September 8th, 2006, 12:02 AM Scaffolding's been removed from another building...this one could be the most beautiful in the entire area.
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/1329/p9070063asx3.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1194/p9070071ags1.jpg
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8377/p9070067ast9.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1797/p9070059avb7.jpg
Other pics
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9813/p9040017brm9.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/170/p1010002axf2.jpg
http://img446.imageshack.us/img446/2155/p9040018azo0.jpg
http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/9656/p9060030akn8.jpg
Kampflamm September 8th, 2006, 12:31 AM This is what the buildings of Quartier III will look like
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/quartierIII1.jpg
As you can see the neo-renaissance facade of the "3.2 building" will be extended:
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/quartier3/landhausstrasse-gross.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/quartierIII2.jpg
renco September 8th, 2006, 08:12 AM Really beautifull,I love it.
Kampflamm September 8th, 2006, 08:47 PM Some more pics
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/sept06/23.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/sept06/27.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/sept06/22.jpg
These two buildings will be rebuilt as well. Their location is "An der Frauenkirche 16/17", ie left of the buildings in the 3rd pic on this page.
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/quartierIII/an-der-fk_skizze.jpg
Kampflamm September 11th, 2006, 06:03 PM http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/9025/p9100106ael2.jpg
The old...
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/9505/p9100090bmt3.jpg
and the new...
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8395/p9100091abd1.jpg
Tiaren September 12th, 2006, 02:48 PM Beautiful, I can't find other words! :)
I wished, I good take a look 20 years in the future to see how everything will look like, when it's finished.
Ah! And by the way, the modern buildings are shit compared to those beautifully recontructed old ones.
tq October 18th, 2006, 05:23 PM This place is indeed very beautiful....the Kulturpalast have to be destoyed...then this place will be more better...btw, only the elite of Dresden can afford to stay here^^...if you know what I mean...I would to take the latest pics of this area but unfortunately my camera is broken at the moment...when I have a new one I will post the msot exclusive photos of Dresden!
Bond James Bond October 19th, 2006, 09:45 AM Wow, impressive! I knew they were rebuilding the Frauenkirche but I didn't know they were also rebuilding the entire area around it!
Alan G. October 26th, 2006, 04:59 AM Very Impressive,
When will construction on Quartier III begin ?
Kaiser October 29th, 2006, 11:02 AM Nice reconstruction updates!
Hope I caN visit Dresden in the future! :)
Dresden is indeed the most beautiful german city
Kampflamm October 29th, 2006, 01:25 PM Some general shots:
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/sept06/1.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/sept06/5.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/sept06/6.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/sept06/7.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/gaestebilder/sept06/12.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/okt06/qf-eroeffnung1.JPG
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/okt06/qf-eroeffnung4.JPG
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/okt06/qf-eroeffnung7.JPG
Kampflamm October 29th, 2006, 01:28 PM Very Impressive,
When will construction on Quartier III begin ?
There's already some minor work going on on the site (excavations and stuff like that). According to the real estate site, everything should be done by early 08.
An der Frauenkirche 16-17 (to the left of the building "Haus 1" in the first post on this page)
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/8219/rampische17vs5.jpg
Kampflamm October 29th, 2006, 01:44 PM Interesting shot of the area, taken in 1991:
http://www.cosmo-dresden.de/bilder/qiii/dd-luftbild-neumarkt.jpg
The big pile of rubble is where the Frauenkirche was/is located.
Kampflamm November 15th, 2006, 12:21 AM Another nice shot:
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/448/pb080440bhn9.jpg
Dompcz November 15th, 2006, 12:37 AM Too bad Germans are not learning from The Queen of Baltics (Kaliningrad) how to reconstruct. Am I right Kampfy? ;)
hellolazyness November 16th, 2006, 02:21 AM Interesting shot of the area, taken in 1991:
http://www.cosmo-dresden.de/bilder/qiii/dd-luftbild-neumarkt.jpg
The big pile of rubble is where the Frauenkirche was/is located.
Wow :eek2:
I love this thread...I only wish there was more of this kind of reconstruction throughout the rest of Europe.
Kampflamm November 18th, 2006, 06:04 PM http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/2136/pb160027awh3.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1942/pb160029aep3.jpg
1980
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/frauenkirche/fk-1980.jpg
1967
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/frauenkirche/frauenkirche-ruine-1967.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/frauenkirche/Ruine-1980.jpg
Coselpalais back then (1980)
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/leitbauten/coselpalais-torhaeuser-1980.jpg
Today (Frauenkirche on the right...during reconstruction)
http://osg.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/EFI/workshop2002/dresden/coselp.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/nov06/cosel.jpg
Kampflamm November 22nd, 2006, 09:48 PM Construction on these two buildings has apparently started:
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/8435/anderfkskizzefa2.jpg
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4965/fenstermn8.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6350/baustelleng7.jpg
Ontario, Canadian restaurant
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8145/ontarioaa1.jpg
Kampflamm November 25th, 2006, 03:39 PM http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/5017/pb240045afh8.jpg
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/7617/pb240047azp6.jpg
goschio November 25th, 2006, 03:46 PM Canadian restaurant? :nuts:
Anyway, nice progress.
Kampflamm December 2nd, 2006, 12:35 AM Some general shots
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/ddneumarkt1.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/ddneumarkt2.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/ddneumarkt3.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/ddneumarkt4.jpg
The Quartier III area...as you can see, there's still plenty of space left:
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/ddneumarkt5.jpg
Kampflamm December 2nd, 2006, 05:35 PM Rampische Straße 3
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/3038/pc010085asw0.jpg
It's the building to the right of the yellow one
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/5017/pb240045afh8.jpg
Ataman December 5th, 2006, 03:16 AM Are there any plans to go beyond the Neumarkt and the adjacent streets to some of the surrounding areas as well? Or will it stop there?
-Ataman
DENIZLI December 5th, 2006, 10:58 AM 5 years ago, I was in dresden.
Tthere are lot of things more beautiful today. :applause:
Kampflamm December 5th, 2006, 09:30 PM Are there any plans to go beyond the Neumarkt and the adjacent streets to some of the surrounding areas as well? Or will it stop there?
-Ataman
There are some minor reconstructions going on here and there...like this one at the castle:
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6831/schlossxa9.jpg
They also cleaned up the train station and added a new roof to it by Norman Foster.
BTW, the scaffolding of one of the building's been taken down (see last pic on the previous page)
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3798/pc050108adm7.jpg
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/9984/pc050116ahg3.jpg
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1559/pc050112axr9.jpg
Next up...
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7858/pc050109ahs1.jpg
Kampflamm December 7th, 2006, 03:52 PM This is what An der Frauenkirche 16/17 will look like:
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/quartier3/an-der-fk/ansicht-nord.jpg
Current state:
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7484/wandmo9.jpg
Tiaren December 7th, 2006, 06:45 PM Amazing!
Thanks very much for the pictures. :)
Kampflamm December 8th, 2006, 10:18 PM http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/6632/pc080077modkx9.jpg
Restaurant
http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/5451/pc080080modhx5.jpg
Quartier III
http://www.cosmo-dresden.de/galeriebilder/QIII/Persp-frauenkirche.jpg
http://www.cosmo-dresden.de/galeriebilder/QIII/Persp-Landhausstr..jpg
fredru$ December 10th, 2006, 12:20 AM Hi Kamapy, I just found out, on polish forum, you are running great thread here. :) Thanks for so many pictures of Dresden's Neu Markt. I remember ruins of Frauenkirchen when I've visited Dresden back in mid 70's. Remember lots of commie bloks eaven in center city, and lock of of old monuments. It's nice to see Frauenkirchen rebuilt and NM under reconstruction. Now that I know about this thread, I will visit it often. Thanks again :okay:
Kampflamm December 10th, 2006, 02:07 AM Thanks for the nice words. :D It is a pretty amazing project, especially considering the attitude that some Germans have towards historic architecture. BTW. what's the status of the Saxon Palace in Warsaw? Will it definitely be rebuilt? Read somewhere that it'll only cost 40mil euros which sounds like an amazing price for such a big building.
Anyway, these buildings will be rebuilt as well:
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/quartierV/hsh.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/quartierV/quartierV-2-anbau2.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4817/pc050100amo1.jpg
Odd door knob:
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1580/pc080127abw8.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4549/pc080122awk6.jpg
Kim André December 10th, 2006, 03:27 AM I really don't know what to say here... I'm so in love with this reconstruction project! :kiss:
The rebuilt Frauenkirche is amazing, it's so beautiful, especially the interior! It almost make me weep...:colgate:
Thanks for all the magnificent pictures you provide us with, Kampflamm! ;) :okay:
Mr Bricks December 10th, 2006, 02:02 PM Wonderful project! I think London and Berlin should also reconstruct the buildings they lost during the war.
Btw. Are there any old bilding left in the Neumarkt area at all?
MikeN December 10th, 2006, 06:33 PM I think London and Berlin should also reconstruct the buildings they lost during the war.
London? If only was any cities which need a reconstruction one of the most is Warsaw which lost 90% buildings. After war there was reconstructed only the oldest monuments from XV-XVIII centrury (many are not still reconstructed) but lost all buildings from XIX-XX c. I think London doesn't need a reconstruction because in spite of all has a historical atmosphere.
Kampflamm December 10th, 2006, 08:48 PM Pretty much all German cities could use large scale reconstructions. In a sense Germany's lucky that East Germany was so poor, because they simply weren't able to tear down that many buildings after the war, let alone reconstruct them in a socialist style. In West Germany on the other hand, plenty of beautiful buildings which could have been salvaged were torn down during the years of the Wirtschaftswunder and replaced with bland modernist buildings. I read somewhere that out of all the destruction that took place as a result of WW2, 50% took place after the war itself. Ie, many buildings could have been saved but they were destroyed because people needed new homes quite quickly and some people saw old architecture as a remnant of more authoritarian times.
MikeN December 10th, 2006, 10:05 PM ^^ That's very sad what you said :( I was convinced that in West Germany they saved many pre-war architecture. In Poland many buildings from XIX/XX c. was destroyed because of the aristocratic style which was with discrepancy of communist opinions.
Could You tell me, where else in Germany are reconstructing any monuments, old towns, etc.? Dresden reconstruction is fantastic and is a perfect example for other cities which lost their monuments :)
Mr Bricks December 11th, 2006, 06:24 PM London? If only was any cities which need a reconstruction one of the most is Warsaw which lost 90% buildings.
I agree, however, Warsaw rebuilt the old town when pretty much nothing has been rebuilt in London and Berlin. The East End of London was pretty much wiped out and take a look at the river banks, they´re full of post-war crap, and parts of the city too! Berlin suffered much more than London did and should also rebuild some of its old buildings.
Mr Bricks December 11th, 2006, 06:25 PM Post-war city planners and architects should be hanged! :evil:
Kampflamm December 12th, 2006, 10:37 PM Voila...the next building in that street (Rampische Straße) has finally been revealed...
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/290/pc120134ahv1.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2856/pc120137art9.jpg
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/610/pc120136alq9.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2369/pc120141apk3.jpg
Kampflamm December 12th, 2006, 11:58 PM 2 nice shots from *****************
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/neumarktdd1.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/neumarktdd2.jpg
Kim André December 13th, 2006, 12:13 AM Can somebody get me a job in Dresden?
I wouldn't mind living there! ;)
Tiaren December 13th, 2006, 10:26 AM Nice update as always! :)
Kampflamm December 13th, 2006, 03:22 PM A preview of what the last building in that row of buildings will look like (on the right obviously):
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/825/neuesbildab2.jpg
Could really be the highlight of that street.
Kampflamm December 15th, 2006, 07:24 PM A true masterpiece. They just don't build 'em like that anymore (except in Dresden ;) ).
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4902/pc150165agl4.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6353/pc150163adg9.jpg
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/4602/pc150173auv0.jpg
http://img276.imageshack.us/img276/6715/pc150167azu0.jpg
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5154/pc150166apa4.jpg
Kim André December 15th, 2006, 10:23 PM Yes, those buildings sure are sexy! ;)
LuckyLuke December 16th, 2006, 04:04 PM Magnificent! The most beautiful quartier so far!
Kampflamm December 16th, 2006, 10:36 PM http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/5586/img6958pn8.jpg
Activity and excavation work for Quartier III
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9205/img6952pz5.jpg
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/2849/img6942vc6.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/244/img6947oi4.jpg
fredru$ December 19th, 2006, 09:47 PM 2 nice shots from *****************
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/neumarktdd1.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/neumarktdd2.jpg
^^^It's a rarely seen shape of house, though there is one, with rouded shape like that, in my hometown Wroclaw/Breslau:
http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/122/122748m.jpgenlarge (http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/122/122748.jpg)
Picture shows jugendstil / L'art Nouveau house in Wroclaw/Breslau. It's been restored lately. (Scafolding is not completely removed and paint job not finished yet)
.
Kampflamm December 21st, 2006, 02:24 AM http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/3986/pc170177aif9.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1827/pc170179akc0.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3762/pc170178ayo0.jpg
http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/7598/pc170176ago4.jpg
http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/8530/pc170183agm5.jpg
DonQui December 21st, 2006, 03:10 AM Would be great except for that photo of the heathen Martin Luther. :yes:
Mother Church had her revenge in the afterlife. :naughty:
:D
Kampflamm December 21st, 2006, 03:29 PM Lutheranism rules! :applause:
Kampflamm December 21st, 2006, 04:12 PM All buildings in this shot were reconstructed over the last 15 years:
http://www.uploadyourimages.de/Uploads/c8b8d3d41beb69e842d31a9f3546bcb42.JPG
An der Frauenkirche 16/17
http://www.uploadyourimages.de/Uploads/cb688e9862412c1e053dc3312cb754688.JPG
http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/9007/s4300315moddc0.jpg
http://www.uploadyourimages.de/Uploads/5f441c4931cb6ac90f63d328aa91d4637.JPG
http://www.uploadyourimages.de/Uploads/5f00a1b39d07d68d1b57aec599e606414.JPG
fredru$ December 21st, 2006, 06:06 PM Thanks Kampy, for next portion of pictures of impressive rebuilding of Dresden's NM.
I don't know if this question has been already talked over, but I would like to know, if there are plans of tearing-down commieblocks and replace them whith historic houses, in other than NM places, in center of Dresden?
pflo777 December 21st, 2006, 06:39 PM so who says there is no Leitkultur *lol*
DonQui December 21st, 2006, 08:17 PM Lutheranism rules! :applause:
I'll be tap dancing on thine grave, protestant scum.
:banana:
More seriously, great looking reconstruction. Why can't we just go back to making buildings like this. If it ain't broke don't fix it. We can all do without concrete monstrosities.
fredru$ December 21st, 2006, 11:36 PM More seriously, great looking reconstruction. Why can't we just go back to making buildings like this. If it ain't broke don't fix it. We can all do without concrete monstrosities.That's exactly what i say. For me, the modernism couldn't have eaven existed.
Kampflamm December 22nd, 2006, 12:38 AM I don't know if this question has been already talked over, but I would like to know, if there are plans of tearing-down commieblocks and replace them whith historic houses, in other than NM places, in center of Dresden?
Not that I know of. Eastern Germany's losing its population, so if Commieblocks are torn down they're usually not replaced by anything.
michal1982 December 24th, 2006, 06:44 PM GREAT JOB !!! amaizing !!
erbse January 3rd, 2007, 06:05 AM Wow - Really awesome reconstructions on the Neumarkt!! Would like to see something like that in every destroyed German city :):):) Please, begin to do this in Frankfurt and Berlin!! PLEASE! =)
When is this project going to be finished at all?
ALESSANDRO January 8th, 2007, 05:15 PM Not that I know of. Eastern Germany's losing its population, so if Commieblocks are torn down they're usually not replaced by anything.
Dresden ist aber Ostdeutschland, oder?
Ueber 1Mio Einwohner d.h. es braucht Zeit um leer zu werden. :)
Seriously though: I don't think the big cities of Eastern Germany are actually going to de-populate. Why would they if they get so much money pumped into them and become as beautiful as some of the Wetern cities?
I remember German politicians both federal- and staats-politicians as well as the mayors of the cities saying you Germans are facing tremendous influx of Poles and Czechs who want to live and reside in the German cities left behind by the Eastern Germans going away to live in western parts of Germany.
This again was supposed to lead to blurring of the borders and co-existance of populations of Poles, Czechs and Germans in the Eastern cities. Funny how things change. :cheers:
As for the thread and the photos: Wonderful!!!
AMS guy January 10th, 2007, 10:03 PM Pity I haven't discovered this thread earlier. :eek: :eek:
I can't believe my eyes. Been to Dresden in 1997 and the city looked totally different, than on these pics. Frauenkirche was a big ruin, there was a huge empty space around it covered with dark stones - I guess original parts of the church that were going to be used in reconstruction. Dresden at that time looked very depressing. The city now is incomparable. You guys should be proud of work you've done on rebuilding the city. Big respect.
Kampflamm January 10th, 2007, 10:25 PM http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1843/neumarkt7ji4.jpg
Quartier III construction work (more or less)
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/787/neumarkt5el2.jpg
Kampflamm January 18th, 2007, 01:11 AM Another reconstruction/renovation project...Dresden castle, pretty much right next door to the Neumarkt
1980/82
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/is/Residenzschloss-1982.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/schloss/schloss-ostseite-1980.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/schloss/schloss-1980.jpg
Today
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/schloss/ostseite3.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/schloss/ostseite-schloss.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/schloss/ostseite2.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/schloss/erker.jpg
Kampflamm January 20th, 2007, 11:11 PM Progress of An der Frauenkirche 16/17
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/9015/img79306ys.jpg
http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/9766/img79344kp.jpg
Kampflamm January 21st, 2007, 04:35 PM Note: all of the buildings in this shot have been reconstructed over the past couple of years.
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2739/img7946shiftn3pl.jpg
chukchi January 22nd, 2007, 04:16 AM Wow, amazing. Next time I will go to Europe, I will visit Germany for sure :drool:
Saigoneseguy January 22nd, 2007, 04:18 AM Dresden is beautiful, i visited last Xmas. Nice baroque architectures.
Alan G. February 8th, 2007, 05:40 AM Looks like alot of building going on via the very small 'Cityscope' webcam... any new pictures of this project ?
Tiaren February 9th, 2007, 04:54 PM In this german thread there are always lots of new pics of that area:
http://www.aphforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=142&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=2304
Kampflamm February 9th, 2007, 10:28 PM http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/2007/feb07/q3.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/2007/feb07/baugrube.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/2007/feb07/q2.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8464/baugrube2cs2.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6866/neubaunz4.jpg
Kurländer Palais
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3599/palaisko8.jpg
GNU February 14th, 2007, 02:57 PM Münzgasse:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Dresden_001.jpg/400px-Dresden_001.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Eckhaus_An_der_Frauenkirche_3.jpg/740px-Eckhaus_An_der_Frauenkirche_3.jpg
Kampflamm February 15th, 2007, 02:59 AM http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/8989/adfte4.jpg
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/300/adf2na3.jpg
wilczur257 February 17th, 2007, 02:29 PM I dream about reconstruction like that in Warsaw :| :| :|
Kampflamm February 17th, 2007, 03:40 PM Well, you got your market square and old town back in the 60s (?). No German city has ever undertaken a reconstruction project like that.
wilczur257 February 17th, 2007, 03:48 PM but not everything was reconstructed and many old buildings was destroyed by comunist :bash: :ohno:
Kampflamm February 17th, 2007, 03:50 PM Yeah, those goddamn commies didn't care about history. Warsaw's old town still looks better though than its German counterparts.
wilczur257 February 17th, 2007, 08:26 PM Don't be funny. You really think, that this is more beatuful?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/The_Saxon_Palace%2C_Warsaw_1.jpg/800px-The_Saxon_Palace%2C_Warsaw_1.jpg
today:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Plac_Piłsudskiego_w_Warszawie.JPG/800px-Plac_Piłsudskiego_w_Warszawie.JPG
oooo there are beatuful (with care of history of course) commies reconstructions:
http://www.sztuka.net/palio/html.media?_Instance=www.sztuka.net.pl&_Option=Palio&_ID=111&_CheckSum=-1098019195
and today:
http://www.sztuka.net/palio/html.media?_Instance=www.sztuka.net.pl&_Option=Palio&_ID=164&_CheckSum=-611893209
and this:
http://www.warszawa1939.pl/zdjecia/trzech/old/aleksander.jpg
today:
http://um.warszawa.pl/v_syrenka/perelki/zdjecia/118_1.jpg
hmm....this is more beautyful ? I don't think so
http://www.warszawa1939.pl/zdjecia/jasna/old/wno_90.jpg
today:
http://www.warszawa1939.pl/zdjecia/jasna/new/03090077.jpg
and more, more, more.....
so I congratulate a feeling ofaesthetic
Kampflamm February 17th, 2007, 08:35 PM Nobody says that there are no bad examples. In Germany these buildings would have been torn down however.
Cologne Opera pre-war:
http://80.243.55.93/DATEN/002999/2397KoelnOperCa1920.jpg
Post-war:
http://www.andreaonline.de/koelle/cologne/oper.jpg
Apparently the pre-war building could have been salvaged. All of Cologne's old town was devastated and it was rebuilt w/o care and effort. Looks like crap now.
Kampflamm February 23rd, 2007, 03:23 PM Some nice progress being made
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/5600/8bilder1.jpg
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/3081/10bildwr1.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6082/vvkqj8.jpg
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/3679/19bildwr4.jpg
This is Quartier III btw:
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4194/18bildtd6.jpg
Quartier V (the two buildings on the right. The one on the left (Hotel Stadt Rom) may be reconstructed as well, a decision on that hasn't been made yet though):
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/quartierV/quartierV-2-anbau2.jpg
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/3971/4bildve3.jpg
Kampflamm February 23rd, 2007, 03:36 PM Hote de Saxe on the left, Hotel Stadt Rom in the center and Quartier V on the right
1845
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/leitbauten/hotel-stadt-rom-1845.jpg
2009?
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/leitbauten/hotel-stadt-rom-baywobau.jpg
Kampflamm February 23rd, 2007, 09:17 PM This beautiful building (Köhlersches Haus) will be rebuilt as well.
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/quartierV/koehlersches-haus-erker.jpg
What an entrance
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/quartierV/koehlersches-haus-portal.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/quartierV/frauenstrasse.jpg
It's the building on the right edge of this picture (ie it's also part of Quartier V):
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/quartierV/hsh.jpg
VelesHomais February 24th, 2007, 12:04 PM ^^ These are the type of buildings that people should live in, regardless of what year or century this is. Not commieblocks, nor sprawls.
Kampflamm February 24th, 2007, 02:44 PM Yeah, old architecture is so much better than the modern crap that's built these days. You can even see it on the Neumarkt. The modern buildings can't hold a candle to their old counterparts.
Kampflamm February 24th, 2007, 05:07 PM On the left you can see part of Dresden's castle, which gives you an idea how close it is to the Neumarkt:
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/2007/feb07/q4-gross.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/2007/feb07/q7-8-gross.jpg
wolkenkrabber February 25th, 2007, 05:50 AM really nice project and nice photos... and i love the buildings
but in this photo for examle
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/2007/feb07/q4-gross.jpg
the buildings look very new and flat/plain.. i guess they will look btter ina few years once time has taken it's toll on them
Alan G. March 5th, 2007, 02:42 AM I have noticed several large cranes in the Neummarkt background of the Cityscope Webcam (East, I believe ~ 1/2 mile).... Can anyone tell me what is being built / reconstructed in this area ?
Fern March 5th, 2007, 03:42 AM Yeah, old architecture is so much better than the modern crap that's built these days. You can even see it on the Neumarkt. The modern buildings can't hold a candle to their old counterparts.
I could not agree more! There is also a plan to rebuild the mercado da figueira in Lisbon. I've seen some photos of the old market and could not stop wondering who was the retard that had the 'brilliant' idea of having it demolished...
Germany however is doing a great job in rebuilding it's lost architectural gems.
tq March 10th, 2007, 12:49 AM @ Kampflamm: danke für die wunderschöne Fotos aus Dresden...kommst du auch aus dieser Stadt?
Max BGF March 10th, 2007, 03:14 PM Nein, Kampfy kommt aus Lohmar (NRW).
Muß man nicht kennen, obwohl der Wohnort des GröPAZ eines Tages weltbekannt sein wird.
Excuse me writing German. Just talked about the greatest protector of all times.
Kampflamm March 10th, 2007, 03:21 PM Indeed, there's actually some talk about renaming it "Stadt des Protektors."
Now look at this baroque charme. Modern architecture just doesn't come close to it:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/207/frhlingtx3.jpg
An der Frauenkirche 16/17 & Quartier III:
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8974/hinten2qi8.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3912/kellerxu2.jpg
Quartier V/2 (renderings for that project are on the previous page):
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7807/rohbau2gf5.jpg
Kampflamm March 10th, 2007, 03:30 PM Great site which allows you to check out the entire area at various times of the day: http://panorama.dresden.de/
Max BGF March 10th, 2007, 04:07 PM Now look at this baroque charme. Modern architecture just doesn't come close to itIndeed. Fortunaltely Dresden has chosen the right path with its Neumarkt.
Thx again for the marvellous picture update :applause:
Kampflamm March 10th, 2007, 04:27 PM Stuttgart should do the same with its Marktplatz. Tear it all down and rebuild it.
Alan G. March 21st, 2007, 03:57 AM Just went and took a look at photos of the Stuttgart Markplatz. You are sure all correct .... The Dresden reconstruction is a masterpiece compared to this, and other reconstruction photos I have seen. Bravo to the people of Dresden !
ZimasterX March 21st, 2007, 05:14 AM Awsome project! Makes me really dream that another specified German city (we all know which one ;) ) would get such a grand reconstruction project.
Kampflamm March 21st, 2007, 03:41 PM Quartier III & An der Frauenkirche 16/17
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3474/2bildlm9.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2048/3bildxe3.jpg
Quartier V
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6263/7bildec1.jpg
Kampflamm March 29th, 2007, 09:36 PM Kurländer Palais (nearby)
http://www.dresden-und-sachsen.de/dresden/pics/kurlpal_1930.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/kurlaender-palais.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/kurlaender-palais/usd.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7448/p3290134gp4.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/2007/maerz07/kurl-pal2.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/2007/maerz07/kur-pal3.jpg
Neumarkt:
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2842/p3290128vn5.jpg
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6266/p3290139fx2.jpg
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1187/p3290142dd2.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/2007/maerz07/platz.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/2007/maerz07/cafe.jpg
Kampflamm April 11th, 2007, 08:16 PM More Kurländer Palais:
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3953/p4050128ee5.jpg
http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/4149/p4050132ta3.jpg
http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/2627/p4050135fc3.jpg
Ataman April 12th, 2007, 02:14 AM I am hoping the rebuilding of destroyed buildings in other parts of Germany (and Europe) will gain momentum and popularity once the Neumarkt is finished.
Modern Architecture looses it's "modern charm" after 10-20 years, requiring demolition/reconstruction. Classical Architecture is meant to stay for centuries. And people these days like to talk about efficiency and sustainability.
-Ataman
Unionstation13 April 24th, 2007, 09:43 PM this is great for dresden!
I wish we had projects like that over here. Though not lost to bombs, it would be nice if we could rebuild many lost landmarks over here.
I think evuantally with all the reconstruction, Germany will be back to its former glory.
Kampflamm April 29th, 2007, 12:38 PM http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7853/p4260150vm8.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7754/p4260149tj5.jpg
SouthernEuropean April 30th, 2007, 02:13 AM SUPER PROJEKT!!!
pflo777 April 30th, 2007, 10:37 PM by Kampflamm:
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baustellenfotos/2007/maerz07/platz.jpg
Kampfy , do you know that chick? :cheers:
Kampflamm May 5th, 2007, 01:13 PM I'm not at liberty to talk about that.
More pics:
An der Frauenkirche 16/17
http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/8025/p5030150ng5.jpg
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7073/p5030147dd7.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/3715/p5030155dw5.jpg
Quartier III
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/429/p5030148bu7.jpg
Kurländer Palais
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/3818/p5030153jb9.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/baubilder/bilder07/bilder-04-07/7.jpg
Kampflamm May 13th, 2007, 03:31 PM http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/263/10bildpg2.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5649/12bildga8.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2243/15bildmo8.jpg
Quartier V:
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9582/13bildxw8.jpg
British Hotel:
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9058/14bildpe8.jpg
http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image1/baywobau/british-hotel.jpg
El_Greco May 13th, 2007, 04:52 PM Im sooooo jealous!Shame London isnt reconstructing its lost buildings.In fact we are demolishing what is left!
Unionstation13 May 13th, 2007, 05:10 PM its so beautiful, this just shows that you can still build those beauties!
That is REAL architecture, the inrichment of detail to the structure shows the peoples work into it.
The modern architecture that will be hidiouse in ten years cannot stand up to this beautiful architecture. It looks like its been there forever, its amazing! I am sooo moving to Dresden! =D
Kampflamm May 23rd, 2007, 12:34 PM So beautiful...
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9249/neumarkt10ky6.jpg
VelesHomais May 24th, 2007, 03:07 AM Pretty much perfect residential units for mankind.
Novak May 24th, 2007, 10:34 AM Looks gorgeous indeed. :applause:
intervention May 31st, 2007, 04:53 AM The market looks quite chinsey but the church is impressive;
Koen Acacia May 31st, 2007, 03:28 PM Congratulations, that's a very impressive project!
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