From The Age today...

Another Southbank high-rise on the way
December 7 2002
By Royce Millar



Glut? what glut? Oversupply? Bah humbug. A Southbank developer has ignored John Howard's dire warnings about the saturated inner-city apartment market, to propose one of Melbourne's largest and most exclusive apartment towers.

Yesterday Tony Shiavello lodged plans with the State Government for Prima on Southbank, a 220-metre tower that challenges Australand's Freshwater Place and Grocon's Eureka Tower in the marketplace, and for pride of place on the Southbank skyline. The $230 million Prima project would be the same height as Freshwater Place next door, putting it only behind Eureka as Melbourne's tallest residential building. Designed by Fitzroy-based architect Ivan Rijavec, the 63-level tower would include 332 apartments with an average price over $1 million. Large penthouses of up to 410 square metres would be offered for around $3 million.

The Department of Infrastructure is believed to be enthusiastic about the tower's design. And with flexible height restrictions on Southbank, the project is unlikely to face too much opposition from the Melbourne City Council and residents.

But is there room for a new luxury tower in a struggling apartment market?

Mr Schiavello, better known for interior office design than apartments, stressed that Prima was not designed to compete with existing, investor-driven towers. Rather it is aimed at "discerning" owner-occupiers.



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"We are aware of the oversupply in the marketplace and have deliberately adopted a different approach to the design and fit-out of the building."

Property consultants Charter Keck Cramer believe Prima may attract sufficient buyers to ensure it is built, eventually.

The company's strategic research director Robert Papaleo said market conditions were not as strong now as in past years.

"If they can tap into the lifestyle market that has found success in other projects there is a possibility that it may proceed.

"The difference now is that it will take a longer marketing period than we have seen previously."

And is there room on the skyline? Yesterday, Freshwater Place developer, Australand, was working hard at being relaxed about its looming competitor.

Victorian general manager Rob Pradolin acknowledged that views from Freshwater to the west would be affected but said: "The positioning of the towers at Freshwater Place have been done in anticipation of a possible tower on the Schiavello site. Consequently our towers have been positioned so that views will be maximised."

You little fucking beauty hehehe

The tower will be on the corner of Queensbridge Street and Power Street across from Crown and Southbank Towers.

So in the area around Queensbridge Square we could soon have this collection of Towers:

Eureka 297m
Prima 220m
FWP North 203m
FWP South 203m
1 Southbank Boulevard 160m
Crown Casino 152m
Imperium Site 152m+

this must be the mystery mega project

Sounds exciting...I just wonder if it will get up with FWP South still to come, and in a slowing market. It could be a slow burner, maybe the first of the next wave of Resi supertowers for Melbourne?

I dont think this is the Mega project spoken about here but at 220m it's big baby big.

That's great news. With only RDT and YE as the real high end market projects this does have some legs.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

It's not the mystery mega project because it has only 332 apartments. It must be a thin, tall tower as 332 apartments isn't that many for a 63 level tower and the site is relatively small (Shiavello has his commercial interiors showrooms on the site currently).

Three 200m+ buildings on one city block and four over 160m that's would look amazing, especially with Eureka next door.

Ivan Rijavec is a leading edge architect as well so the design should be awesome

Here is one of his latest projects:
http://www.rijavec.com/images/12a.jpg

i wish the age had a photo of it

Here is a pic showing the site:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/prima.jpg

I'm a realist...I can see more landlords giving fridges away. This is saturation gone mad. Touch wood. Anyhow nice to have another tall.

I can't believe how quick you guys were. And here I was thinking, wow, what a scoop! Well done!

Interesting things to note: the article states that at 220m Prima will be "the same height" as FWP.

And YES - there IS a render in today's Age (print version), but I don't have a scanner. IT IS A STUNNER!!! Can't describe - but it looks very sleek and more importantly, UNIQUE!

Hope someone scans it in soon!

Originally posted by Grollo
It's not the mystery mega project because it has only 332 apartments. It must be a thin, tall tower as 332 apartments isn't that many for a 63 level tower and the site is relatively small (Shiavello has his commercial interiors showrooms on the site currently).

Three 200m+ buildings on one city block and four over 160m that's would look amazing, especially with Eureka next door.

Ivan Rijavec is a leading edge architect as well so the design should be awesome

Here is one of his latest projects:
http://www.rijavec.com/images/12a.jpg

This will sure bulk things up! And don't forget to count Crown!

Some more trivia, Ivan Rijavec was the designer of the controversial nkya development in Fitzroy, which has been a real cat fight with (too conservative) existing residents.

Gee, this tower sounds great. I'll have to grab a copy of the Age today and have a look.

I'm not wrapped about the location though. A tower like that shouldn't be blocked in there I'd say. Big Towers should have a location that makes a statement.
It will virtually be right up next to FWP South, and will eventually get lost.
I wouldn't pay a million bucks to be looking right at my nieghbours! I'd want 360 degree views for that.

Would this mean the developers of FWP will hurry up and get the second resi up sooner in order to capatilise on a shrinking market for expensive apartments?

Anyway, I'll watch this one, but I'm not too optimistic to be honest. Look what happened to Imperial as that was in a similar location and that appeared to have quality about it also.

Mother of freakin pearl!!!

Sounds like another RDT, very pricey with large exlusive apartments..

It will be a balltearer but sheeesh the guy is cocky for proposing it!!

Yeah the Age would say its the same height as FWP because their typical out of date info would have FWP still at the old planned height of 218m

Anyway I'm off to the newsagent to look for a copy of yesterdays Age!!

What a ripper:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/prima2.jpg

Nice and glassy, just like Eureka & FWP

Originally posted by A-brain
Mother of freakin pearl!!!



Anyway I'm off to the newsagent to look for a copy of yesterdays Age!!

Todays age A-brain! 7th!

Anyway it looks like a great tower! Will it still be viable with the so called apartment downturn?

Holy shit ?

*gasps for air*

tays

Hey guys, this new Prima tower looks ''shit hot''. Very space age too. I like it. Something different always catches the eye, so I hope they build it.

P.S. Grollo, your previous stats you posted were all correct, appart from one - Imperium.

I'm sad to say buddy, but that project has gone all the way to god. She's De funct, out of here, no more, bat poo and worm feed.

Haha gawd I love this forum!!

In my rash hurry to go get the paper.. I looked at the bloody dates of the posts and it says '6-12-02' because of course we are on the servers European time!! :bleep: :bleep:

But in the 10 mins it took to go to the newsagent and come back.. look what happens.. Grollo beats me to it with a sensation scan anyway..

But stuff all that.. all I can say is.. (in Larry, Moe and Curly voice)

Woo woo woo woo woo

*Does one of those homer dances lying on his side trying to read the writing on the back of his head*

:eek2: :eek2: :master: :master:

Originally posted by Melb1
Gee, this tower sounds great. I'll have to grab a copy of the Age today and have a look.

I'm not wrapped about the location though. A tower like that shouldn't be blocked in there I'd say. Big Towers should have a location that makes a statement.
It will virtually be right up next to FWP South, and will eventually get lost.
I wouldn't pay a million bucks to be looking right at my nieghbours! I'd want 360 degree views for that.

Would this mean the developers of FWP will hurry up and get the second resi up sooner in order to capatilise on a shrinking market for expensive apartments?

Anyway, I'll watch this one, but I'm not too optimistic to be honest. Look what happened to Imperial as that was in a similar location and that appeared to have quality about it also.

I dunno really, because, when you look at RDT, which is another high-end of the market tower, that thing's selling nicely, last time I was there, just over 1/3 of the apartments were sold - keeping in mind RDT only has 150 apartments AND a lot of the tower is box in by Sebel (St. James Apartments) just right nextdoor, and a lot of CE shite to the west, and a hell of a lot has been sold!

Plus there also has been reports in the last month or two of a severe LACK of high-end apartments - i.e people willing to pay mega bucks for a good apartment and live in it.....

will be interesting to see nevertheless!

tays

Hey Grollo,

I forgot to mention in my last post. You hav'nt replied to the next get together yet (Jan 10th?) that Tays posted.

Time to contact Larven

lol by the way Southbank's going we should just ask him to do a Southbank rendering, it's getting quite "dense" with ha-yoooge towers!!

help me hunt for a good Southbank aerial from the CBD!

Richo: yep we all saw the Imperium Tower go A over T a month or two ago, it still doesn't mean someone can pick it up and do something else with it though!

tays

YUMMY!
I wont hold my breathe though.
Whats this MEGA tower bizzo?
I havent heard of anything.
Any scant details?

This is a great looking tower! And so tall for only 332 apartments!

Sure it may not be built immediately, but I am certain that it will attract the buyers, and hopefully go ahead!

It's a great looking tower and would be a welcome addition for Southbank (gonna have to start calling Southwall soon! ;)).

However (and this is not a negative for me), am I the only one who looks at this tower and says "an all glass Seidler number"? The curves, the random balconies......

Originally posted by Tony P
It's a great looking tower and would be a welcome addition for Southbank (gonna have to start calling Southwall soon! ;)).

However (and this is not a negative for me), am I the only one who looks at this tower and says "an all glass Seidler number"? The curves, the random balconies......

lol --- BLASPHEMY!

curves with random balconies, with a NON-Seidler twist:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/newfwprender6.jpg

...and funny that, that's going right next door to PRIMA lol :D

tays

Originally posted by Tony P
It's a great looking tower and would be a welcome addition for Southbank (gonna have to start calling Southwall soon! ;)).

However (and this is not a negative for me), am I the only one who looks at this tower and says "an all glass Seidler number"? The curves, the random balconies......

Hehehehe, I see you point Tony.

I think the curves are a bit too assymetrical/abstract for a Seidler though! Perhaps too innovative, and not structured enough for a Seidler design. ;)

The different curves of the glass and the resultant reflections will be very interesting as the light hits the building!

god average price $1million.....
the buble for appartments at that price scale has to explode soon.....

hmm i don't think i like this tower much from that pic, but should be hidden by the others, its pretty fucken amazing whats happening in southbank

you guys are too fast!! saw it in the Age this morning and was just *shocked*... just when you thought that was it for all the big proposals in Melbourne another massive one just comes our way

glass (class) all the way, very nice design with it as well, couldn't hope for anything better!

Congrats Aussies on another fine tower.

What's the speculation on how many more tall proposals are going to be included in this project/area when it's completed?

Also, does it remind anyone else of that tall black building in Seattle?

Yeah $1,000,000 ave price is very steep but that's what Royal Domain Tower had and they've sold about 45-50/120 appts so if you market it right they'll sell.

Given the name (Prima,ie No1,best)of the building it's obvious it's of the highest class development.

Time will tell how it all goes.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

Ok, this is one tower I don't see going up.

Originally posted by Canuck
Congrats Aussies on another fine tower.

What's the speculation on how many more tall proposals are going to be included in this project/area when it's completed?

Also, does it remind anyone else of that tall black building in Seattle?

yes! was just trying to put a finger on which tower I've seen that looks similar!

Seattle's Bank of America (Columbia Centre ?):

http://home.t-online.de/home/highrises/seacolsf.jpg

except, BoA Seattle's got more "harder" edges - looks like the PRIMA proposal will have "softer" more rounded edges :okay:

tays

Ok, this is one tower I don't see going up.
Have faith my friends!

But i agree it will be difficult given the high number of units for sale in this tower.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

not fair! :mad: stupid developers:rant:

Are you chucking a tantrum Noonos!!! :)

Are you not happy that Melbourne is getting all these crazy looking developments.

I believe most developers are thinking; if the market resembles anything like a boom you should have a go and do what you can while the sun shines. That's why all these developments just keep coming here in Melbourne.

There may never be a boom quite like this one again.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

hmm, probably Dean. just got to wonder what's going to happen to FWP South Res. now that something taller is proposed just next door... hmmm, but I'd rather see this one go ahead than FWP South though, thats for sure!

anyone think the plans would be available at the DOI yet or too early in the design phase? would be good to confirm that this isn't another "pocket filler", ie. Shangri La

i think it belends in with with the crown tower and fwp

Originally posted by SteveMelb
hmm, probably Dean. just got to wonder what's going to happen to FWP South Res. now that something taller is proposed just next door... hmmm, but I'd rather see this one go ahead than FWP South though, thats for sure!

anyone think the plans would be available at the DOI yet or too early in the design phase? would be good to confirm that this isn't another "pocket filler", ie. Shangri La

it's only just been lodged AFAIK. give one or two weeks, even if one of us were to go to City Central (Central City ?), they'd probably turn us away, as they're probably working on it :D

tays

wow!

build it! BUILD IT NOW!

god if this gets built, imagine how cool it would be to be sitting on the roof of the QBH

Originally posted by Duff
wow!

build it! BUILD IT NOW!

god if this gets built, imagine how cool it would be to be sitting on the roof of the QBH

yep :D

or right smack bang in the middle of the Freshwater Piazza / plazza / thingmebob :D

tays

This is very big and welcome news. The thought of all these mega-resi-towers in Southbank against the CBD's existing skyline could just about blow a blood vessel in my brain!

Note the Age article quoting someone who said this is likely to sell enough to get built! Of course, this is a time for optimism. Apartments oversupply probably doesn't include high end as it's a market all to its own. Gee, you wouldn't want to feel ripped off if you got a RDT or a FWP or even YE penthouse!

Best thing is - no heritage problems, council is supportive, resident probably won't mind - so this one looks mighty impressive!

Also, note Grollo's post listing the buildings in the area - it referred to "Imperium site", not "Imperium". At 152m approved for the site, who knows what will go there! Plenty of potential! All remaining sites should have a minimum height from now on!

Finally, on the design - pure class as Stevemelb said - nothing like Seidler - it's entirely symmetrical and the balconies are not random at all. Very unique addition, and will complement Southbank curviness (Crown, FWP). But I have concerns for FWP South. The fact that this will be TALLER than FWP suggests that there won't be a problem with it being "hidden". Certainly any shot from the south or west will capture this gem in all its glory. PWC or FWP South might in fact be more in danger of being "hidden"! We need FWP South to go ahead also - we need them all! I just wish that RDT was in Southbank and not in the sensitive St Kilda - Shrine area, and of course we all wish Imperium was being built as well.

Now, will Southbank be bigger/taller (probably not more dense) an Adelaide, Brisbane, Perth CBDs yet?

Originally posted by Blabbyboy
Now, will Southbank be bigger/taller (probably not more dense) an Adelaide, Brisbane, Perth CBDs yet?

lol - dont start anything Blabbyboy :D

in terms of 152 metres scrapers if everything in Brisbane and Southbank goes ahead, then they'll be equal, with Melbourne getting the "taller" average ;)

tays

Originally posted by Blabbyboy
Finally, on the design - pure class as Stevemelb said - nothing like Seidler - it's entirely symmetrical and the balconies are not random at all.

That is totally not a symmetrical building, well, as far as its appreance in the rendering. Who cares anyway - I love it's kind of organic/abstract kinda look .

And no balconies are really random, but this one does come across in the picture, as wanting to give that idea.

It is a really nice design! :)

WOW. Bloody huge !
This a very ambitious project, however Melbourne's 'top end' apartment market appears much healthier than the lower / mid end, so it may have a chance.
220m is mighty tall- just 10m shorter than World Tower and the same height to roof !

Other frivolous stats:

- Equal roof height of BHP Steal Centre (120 Collins).

- It'll be Melbourne's 8th building to pierce the 200 metre mark (10th if you include spires).

- It'll be Melbourne's Equal 4th tallest building (roof) - 6th tallest (spires / official height).

- Equal 9th tallest in Australia (roof) - assuming Emerald in BNE goes ahead, Equal 10th in Australia (roof) - assuming Sydney's Height limit sraper's roof is over 220m

- If built by 2006 (Comm Games) Melbourne will have 23 "skyscrapers" over 152 metres !!!! (17 now, Eureka, 2 Sthbnk Blvd., FWP North, HWT, SXC East, RDT and PRIMA)

perspective shot:

imagine the height of 120's roof, in around this amount of "density" (but undoubtedly TALLER density)

ohhhh momma :D

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/120dense.jpg
(one of SteveMelb's tour pics I have backed up)

:D

tays

if your bored in these new apartments you can always go to




the crown entertainment complexhttp://asiatravel.com/australia/prepaidhotels/crown_towers/gifs/lobby.jpg http://asiatravel.com/australia/prepaidhotels/crown_towers/gifs/room.jpg

Jesus what a stunner! :D

Yep we are definitely in a property slowdown. :?

Just when you thought southbank could not get much better this 'little' ripper gets proposed. :D

Why am I just sitting here being totally sceptical about this???

It's like Jeannie just blinked Major Nelson a new 200m+ building out of thin air....

Where was the warning?

I really don't believe all this.

Cheers,

A Confused Adam

Originally posted by Adam from Oz
Why am I just sitting here being totally sceptical about this???

It's like Jeannie just blinked Major Nelson a new 200m+ building out of thin air....

Where was the warning?

I really don't believe all this.

Cheers,

A Confused Adam


hey its melbourne, anything can happen

just like with the weather

hot sunny days one day, storms the next

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/prima.JPG

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/supersbank.JPG

this tower would change the dynamics of Southbank in so many ways.

*If Prima goes ahead, it will spell the end of Imperium as a residential tower of any quality. Only hope would be an office tower as the residential views would be non-existent. It could of course become a CE slum. So a 160m office tower would be nice.

*Freshwater South is well positioned, only the eastern tip would be infringed upon by Prima but this is very seroius competition for the South tower, who knows what will happen now.

*Remember Mirvac's Riverside Quay and the Crown land directly behind Crown 2 are earmarked for towers that by all accounts should give 200m a shake. What sort of monster second skyline are we creating? Who would have thought a Southbank skyline with as many as 6 200m towers possible three years ago?

*this isn't the mega project that has been talked about, if you were lucky enough to attend the last meet you would know a little more about this mega project and who is likely to be behind it along with its likely position.

In saying the above its time to bring out some combined Dean/Grollo wisdom.
Its a nice tower but who cares, developers could propose 10 200m towers for Southbank. Prima like the majority of other towers is still a proposal. Yes they will keep on coming, marketing either to get the pre-numbers or fall over trying. This avoids oversupply as the market is predominantly aimed at owner-occupier at the moment. So all you guys worrying about it-RELAX and enjoy a great design, for it is still just that and will be for some time.

It still rocks though!

Originally posted by silvermb
http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/prima.JPG

It still rocks though!

that there, is the shit.

*does the Melbourne shuffle* :D

tays

EDIT: so silvermb, how long you reckon we give the DOI before we go knocking on their door for a sneak peek of the plans ? :D

nice pics there silvermb

ever notice that in so many renderings, the top of the building looks really pointed and stretched to make it look taller?

i mean in that rendering, the north tower looks twice the height of the south one!

http://www.media-file.net/images/mi/monsters%20inc%2045.jpg


What sort of monster second skyline are we creating?? qouted by silvermb


the mystery monster project is still to show!

yeah I know, the fish-eye lens should be banned. Tays I think while we are at Central City on Monday we could ask how long before we get a peek at Prima. We'll drop in on Mannie as well plus find out the definitive status of Old Stock Exchange.
That is of course if I dont have to work tomorrow.

Originally posted by silvermb
yeah I know, the fish-eye lens should be banned. Tays I think while we are at Central City on Monday we could ask how long before we get a peek at Prima. We'll drop in on Mannie as well plus find out the definitive status of Old Stock Exchange.
That is of course if I dont have to work tomorrow.

when will you find out if you're working or not ?

tays

good Photoshop job there, silver! and Crown 2 isn't even there :)

does anyone know if FWP South is a definate go'er though? I mean would Australand be willing to hold it off past 2005 and be willing to build it later on down the track, or would they sell off the land to CE (god I hope not), or possibly just go a lot shorter? I suppose we could even speculate that they might go taller to 'match' Prima, hmmm... I love this speculation :)

Mark,

Great Photoshot. Southbank will look great if Prima goes ahead.

Who knows, with all that is going on (Eureka, FWP - NTH & STH, Prima, Crown and the rest, plus what we don't know, Southbank may become bigger than Perth?

Would'nt that be something. Melbourne having all these talls either side of the yarra. Let's not forget about Docklands either.

I assume that the background shot looking 'down' at FWP and co is from the Rialto. If so, E would be a lot taller in scale.
So youll just have to stretch E up a bit.

And to SMB I like that comment about the "Central Equity Slums"
I couldnt have said it better maself. :laugh:

As Big Kev says!
:I'm excited!

:guns1:

Someone want to tell me if I've got these footprints correct (not too concerened with the shape of the buildings just yet - mainly just concerned with the positioning of them)

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/southbankproposals.jpg

cheers!

tays

Originally posted by silvermb


this tower would change the dynamics of Southbank in so many ways.

*If Prima goes ahead, it will spell the end of Imperium as a residential tower of any quality. Only hope would be an office tower as the residential views would be non-existent. It could of course become a CE slum. So a 160m office tower would be nice.

*Freshwater South is well positioned, only the eastern tip would be infringed upon by Prima but this is very seroius competition for the South tower, who knows what will happen now.

*Remember Mirvac's Riverside Quay and the Crown land directly behind Crown 2 are earmarked for towers that by all accounts should give 200m a shake. What sort of monster second skyline are we creating? Who would have thought a Southbank skyline with as many as 6 200m towers possible three years ago?

*this isn't the mega project that has been talked about, if you were lucky enough to attend the last meet you would know a little more about this mega project and who is likely to be behind it along with its likely position.

...

It still rocks though!

Great work, Silvermb!

* End of Imperium but what will fill it's space - the billion $$$ question! Is there an existing height limit approval for the site? MAYBE A HOTEL??? Hell, let's move Shangri-La over here! Surely cigar shaped tower (original HWT proposal) lends itself to resi rather than commercial - maybe this is the spot for it? (to maximise views without being blocked out by surrounding buildings). Let the imagination run free...

* Challenger to FWP South - hope they both get through - even if it takes us to 2006.

* Riverside Quay - will there be any land left there after Eureka, FWP are completed? there's no way the riverfront buildings (phillip morris & colonial) will be demolished for scrapers - ala Singapore.

* What's the word on the megaproject for those of us who missed the last meet?

Btw, Tays frivolous facts makes my mouth water...and the Brisbane fact is pretty interesting too!! hehehehe - Southbank soon bigger than each of Perth, Brisbane and Adelaide...hehe

In fact blabby.. those Phillip Morris & Colonial glass buildings on the riverfront are exactly what Mirvac plan to demolish in a few years time to build a couple of 200m skyscrapers.. they have virtually said as much.

Wont happen for a few years of course.. probably post 2005

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/prima.JPG

cool

Went into the Planning Information Centre at the base of Nauru House today and asked what the timeframe is usually for plans, got a mixed response, one of the ladies (who I think is in charge of the "exhibition" side of things) said usually it can be 5 days to two weeks before Central City (level 12 in Nauru House) send it down for public exhibition, silvermb and maself went up to Central city but no-one was on the reception desk then looked at the phone list and his (silvermb's) face went blank lol

should be able to have a geeza at the plans soon no doubt, I asked one of the people down in the P.I.C. to contact me when the plans are down there.

tays

Tays and I met up with Mannie (Property Investor) at the Concept Blue display today. Let me tell you Mannie has divulged another property group ready to enter Melbourne with multiple towers in addition to the mega project. We already know the names of the towers.

I know i'm being a prick but if you want to learn more you'll have to come to the next meet where Mannie said he will attend. Im not sure whether Mannie told us this in confidence or not but interesting times are ahead!

Yeah boys. Had a good chat with Mannie on the phone a few days ago and we talked at length about new proposals amongst other things.

He also let me know of several companies ready to 'go sick' very shortly in Melbourne with big high rise development plans.

STILL very Interesting times ahead.

Just face it, Melbourne Rocks :rock: :finger:

Chicks Luv It!

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

so by the sound of it,
by the time all the towers under contruction at the moment are topping out, there'll be a whole new wave of developments ready!

look out hong kong and new york haha

Originally posted by silvermb
Tays and I met up with Mannie (Property Investor) at the Concept Blue display today. Let me tell you Mannie has divulged another property group ready to enter Melbourne with multiple towers in addition to the mega project. We already know the names of the towers.

I know i'm being a prick but if you want to learn more you'll have to come to the next meet where Mannie said he will attend. Im not sure whether Mannie told us this in confidence or not but interesting times are ahead!

lol forgot about that - thanks for twigging ma memory :D

tays

whats that super tall one that looks like Q1 next to eureka?

Originally posted by Noonos
whats that super tall one that looks like Q1 next to eureka?

www.freshwaterplace.com.au

What's with all the secrecy Guys?? Let us in on these rumours!!!!

Well silver.. it was in the AFR today that Sunland are moving into Melbourne with a 2x20st twin tower project on St.Kilda as their first development..

I think surely this would have to be the one your talking about, as Sunland are certaintly capable down the track of building a 'Mega' Tower..

Originally posted by Meldon
What's with all the secrecy Guys?? Let us in on these rumours!!!!

LOL it's not really secrecy, it's more "we don't know" - literally :)

tays

We knew about Sunland already so they don't count.

Adrain you could pick one of them but the other, not in a million years.

Duff, we only know the tip of the iceberg in terms of proposed developments. Some will never see the light of day but the volume of developments still to show themselves will be staggering. And then you get towers like Prima which just put the icing on the cake.

C'mon guys - spill the beans!!!!:D Need the info!!! What's the MEGA project???!!!

Dean, did you just say that Mannie let you know of several companies "ready to 'go sick' very shortly in Melbourne with big high rise development plans."?!!! Well? Go on...!!! tell!!!

A-brain, I can't believe that I'm hearing FOR THE FIRST TIME that the two little Riverside Quay office blocks will be demolished for 2 x 200m towers in the future...I'm just going to lie down now.

I can't hold this excitement in any more!!! Ooh, what's this...a damp patch...:D

argh "we don't know anything for sure"

that's all - trust me!

tays

i bet the mega project is to do with crown casino

Originally posted by Blabbyboy
A-brain, I can't believe that I'm hearing FOR THE FIRST TIME that the two little Riverside Quay office blocks will be demolished for 2 x 200m towers in the future...I'm just going to lie down now.

Mirvac bought the site earlier this year for around $70 million if i remember correctly and leases expire in 2007 for these buildings.

So anything that will happen here is at least 5-8 years away. There was talk of something 'substantial' for the future redevelopment.

Oh by the way Mannie let me know that Devine was so impressed with selling the pants off Victoria Point,(406/438 units sold so far) it wants to have another go in Melbourne shortly.

I knew about the Sunland deal already and the tower approved is the same 20 level building just tapered at the top more. Looks very stylish and curvatious.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/prima.JPG


i have to see this every day

might go check the Planning Info Centre on Mon / Tues to see if the plans are being exhibited (was told usually they're displayed around 5 - 10 days after they're "lodged" with the DOI)!

tays

i happened to chat to architect this week and he said if everything goes to plan, they will start construction early 2004.!
Southbank is going to be impressive in 2005, you might not even see Eureka from certain angles due to the 200m+ bldgs in the way!!lol
:D

cant wait for close up plans etc

Damn Im slow just found out bout this today hehe, OMG Been waiting for another 200+ dancing round the room mwahha Melbourne is just going bloody beserk

To accomodate Melbourne's growing population over the next decade a further 440,000 new dwellings are required according to a recent report. Which means 44,000 per year. Around 30,000 per annum will be multiple dwellings (apartments). Based on an average of say 300 apartments per building = 100 buildings per year.
The future is looking good.
Top quality developments will always stand in time. However Prima, I believe is coming on too soon and I will not be surprised if it doesn't meet sales criteria therefore not going ahead. An average of $1Mill + in a market that is slowing down for the time being is a bit risky. I know that the top end of the market is still doing pretty well, but how many people do you know who are actively searching for a $1Mill plus property? I don't know any! This market is small ($1Mill - $3Mill).
Developments like Eureka, Freshwater Place, Prima, etc will definately make those earlier CE developments look like shit and will also improve the area's perception. As long as they all sell well. Investors of these high end apartments will face a risk where their investment will lose value and will take years to come back to starting point. The median price for this area is still sitting around the $320k mark. You can't even get a brand new 1 bedroom apartment for this price.

Just my thoughts.

Mannie.

Mannie,

I think you got those stats around the wrong way. I do believe that 30,000 will be detached homes and the remainder will be higher density. Anyway it is still a shitload of apartments.

And I presume you are referring to the CKC report which just came out?

EDDIE

Hi Eddie,

You could be right!
I pulled those figures from my memory.
Yes and it is from the CKC report which I dont have with me anymore.
If I get my hands on it again I will change the figures if they are wrong.

Mannie.

Eddie,

If my 30,000 figure is different to CKC, I think I will come closer than they will.
Keeping in mind that over 12,000 plus apartments were sold for the year compared to only 10,000 plus houses.
(Compliments of channel 10 news).
That is one of the reason why I think there will be a need for more apartments in future. Apart from the current trend of high divorce rates, smaller family sizes, baby boomers, etc.

Mannie.

hey does anyone know if prima has a website or if there is a website that has any info on prima??? :?

any way this is a great project in southbank. im just a bit worried if there an oversupply of apartments if the future. if there is would they have to cancel sum project????:? :?

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Southbank will have one of the tallest skylines in Australia and it will be a fairly dense one too.

i reckon its going to have a claustraphobic feel to it

I can't wait ... Southbank will be unrecognisable from when the neon-lighted "Skipping Girl" was still there!

Was'nt the skipping girl on Victoria street Richmond near Burnley street ? Allens sweets neon was at Southbank. Please correct me if I'm wrong .

You are spot on Lord Melbourne! Hoadleys were also located at what is now Southbank they invented Violet Crumble-chocolate covered honeycomb.
All our original australian companies have been gobbled up by(excuse the pun) multinationals like Schweppes and Neslte.

And of course the skipping girl is *STILL* there on Victoria St as a heritage listed signage..

Don't know what happened to the Allens Sweets sign though, thought it might have been relocated..

Geez to think that sign was there are recently as 1989 (or so) .. but feel's like 19th century Melbourne to visualise that now..

all we need now is for Freshwater Place to be completed so they can put the VB sign back there above QBH, then I can feel normal again. :cool:

anyone got any, now old, pics of the Freshwater site ? ;)

grollo (or anyone else): when do you think the Planning info centre will re-open ? Monday Jan 6th ?

tays

Check out these redering from the FWP website

www.freshwaterplace.com.au

http://www.freshwaterplace.com.au/images/img_intro.jpg

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Nahh.. far more important than that..

They should bloody build a 380m Mega-Tower on the CUB site at the top of Swanston St so they can bloody well put back the big CUB signage that used to proudly shine at the top of Swanston, but was sacreligiously pulled down in the late 80's !!!!

:rant :rant: :rant:

that left fwp picture is the best

Nah the one in the middle.

Gday !

imagine taking a cruise down the yarra river in 3 years time when all these buildings in southbank are completed ! imagine the view as you look to the left and the right !

bloody awesome !! :D

cheers:cheers:

lozza

lozza melb will look great, esp if when on the yarra you don't look at the water:D

The Yarra continues to get paid out way too much for its colour..

The fact is for the past couple of years the majority of the time the water is now a very normal looking river colour... kinda a greeny-brown, just like rivers in every other major city of the world...

Gone are the days when it was a permanent light poo-brown color ... the only time it gets like that now is when there has been *major* rain and you get the Yarra overflowing.. but that hasn't happened for quite some time and we'd be happy to see those days return what with the drought!!

But ditto all those comments about cruising down the Yarra in a few years! Melbourne will have a "River of Skyscrapers" that will be I think unparalled in the world..

Literally.. you think about it.. what other cities in the world have got multiple 500ft+ towers (let alone 250m+) on either side of the citys primary river ??

I certaintly cannot think of one out of all the major cities of the world.. Hong Kong has its harbour but its very wide..

the swan river looks pretty brown/ugly up close to.....

thanks to SteveMelb and his digital Camera - some more Prima Renderings

LOVING the setbacks - 2 which will be on FWP South's facade, and one on the Queensbridge Street

at long last we now know what the footprint of the tower will be:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/primashape.JPG

Finn describe it as organic - well, the way I look at it is basically a simple box shape which has had its four sides retracted inwards and the 4 remaining points having its edges "curved" or softened - hence organic ;)

The Renderings:

http://users.bigpond.net.au/stevemelb/prima/pic_01.jpg

http://users.bigpond.net.au/stevemelb/prima/pic_02.jpg

http://users.bigpond.net.au/stevemelb/prima/pic_03.jpg

http://users.bigpond.net.au/stevemelb/prima/pic_04.jpg

yep, they're photos taken direct from planning application, we were trying to be quick and take em

can I have a big mofo of a "WOOOO HOOOOOO" please ? ;)

tays

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

:D

Anyway, good to see that more and more stuff is being planned for Southbank, and hopefully more is!

SteveMelb said this on IRC, and pretty much sums it up:

(+SteveMelb) Prima is fucking hot

TOO RIGHT!

Sydney's got its Aurora, Melbourne's got its Prima!!!!!!!!!!

tays

yep Prima sure is number 1!

if you look close enough you can see in most of the renderings the outline of FWP, Imperium and any other proposed towers. a lot of them were different, some had FWP listed as 220m, 204m and 203m.

but yeah it was worth it :)

not many Melbourne towers come to mind when I think elegance, but this baby sure is elegant. Shows how effective a nice simple design is.

It contrasts Eureka so well and complements Crown. perfection!

just a little something to wet the appetite.
stand at Queensbridge Square, Southbank in a few years time you get to see these towers surrounding the square.
*Eureka, 297m
*Mirvac's Riverside Quay, 1 or 2 towers. 1 probably around 250m
*PwC, 160m
*FWP 1 & 2, 203m and maybe 220m
*Prima, 220m
*Imperium, up to 165m
*Crown, 152m
*Crown residential, 161m+
*Crown development site behind the new Promenade Hotel, maybe 200m?

impressive and scary at the same time.

yummy

Fantastic photos!

What do you guys do? Get into trench coats and fake moustaches with heavy accents and then photograph with the lens poking out of your flies?

Clever stuff.

I like Prima (name sucks a little).

Wonder if it will get built?

Cheers,

Adam

hah, actually just walk in / or ring, ask for what we want to say, ask if we can take photos, take photos and leave ;)

Freedom of Information = :rock: as does Prima! ;)

tays

wow! so much better than i thought, lovely set backs and curves!!
;)

Holy crap!
What a stunner.
Melbourne's turning into a pot of gold :)

The first & third pics rock dude!

U can see all the setbacks and curves. Never seen the rear ones b4. Can never get sick of curved buildings. and at 220m it will be big sucker. one of the biggest in the city. cool!

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

Good stuff! I love it! As others have said, such great contrast to the others going up. Hope this goes ahead!

We need that tower in melbourne, simple as that...

MG2

Looks absolutely fantastic!!!

Melbourne does it again........

That is one nice tower.....

Southbank is just going to be a totally different city, even now you can tell the stark differences in an architectural sense, that being the CBD a grid, with buildings that conform to it (with exceptions like Shell House, THANKS HARRY not) and The mish-mash of Southbank's streets are producing a sexy array of completely non classic "Melburnians" with extra curvalicious facades that we've only really seen in Sydney and Brisbane (to which they work well, and from the looks of it will work on Southbank!).....

you gotta love Melbourne's diverse mix of architecture, streetscapes and overall character!!!

tays

lol who says you gotta like it? What if you dont? Did you mention the weather and how diverse that is to?

lol but its architecture surely is look at fed square.... or federation arch hehe :)

I think that now that the city is moving away from the grid and more towards docklands and southbank, the Yarra will truly become the heart of the city.
Federation Square is in a fantastic place for that and the views from there will obviously be spectacular in a few years time.

LOL! There's a guy in a light blue singlet/muscle shirt and jeans that sure gets around (1st and 3rd photos) :).

Sure is a sexy tower. I love it more every time I see it!

if you missed out on eureka

you can now get in for another $500-000.00 apartment

Eureka isn't sold out though

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Your correct, but 90-95% is close. Evrything in the im not a multi millionare bracket of units is gone dude.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

The more I look the more I like. It has a timeless , powerful presence just like Rialto; only cruncheee. IT WILL BE BUILT !

omg
that is really nice.

IT DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THAT ;-)

its so hard to tell from the pics, i think it could end up look really crap on the other hand it could look pretty good
those lines on it make it look abit dodge also the weird shape...

HOLY SHIZA!!!

"Roger that .. uhh.. Houston we are go for countdown"

I tell you what, I've been thinking all this time that Tony Schiavello is really smoking the dodgy poke from the Phillipines ..

i.e. That he's just doing a proposal for the sake of it, either for ego so he can show it at parties, or perhaps to try and turn a profit for the site..

But I'm thinking now - heck - just bloody put it to market!! Come around mid this-year it will have been a while since any major developments have gone forward.. with such an amazing design I reckon the timing could be perfect !!!

Let's hope he has some brains and hire's the marketing department that worked for Devine ..

Anyway.. all fingers and toes crossed.. hands together in prayer ... bow towards Mecca.. hit your head against the wailing wall.. sit in the mantra position.. whatever religious trick will work for you.... just...

GO YOU MIGHTY PRIMA!!!

.. tays I trust these pics are on the international section??

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...naturally ;)

lol @ spaceship

tays

can you keep pets like labradors in these buidings?


45 levels up

Oh my!!! That is a STUNNER of a tower!!! ME WANT! ME WANT!!! Come to me my precioussss!!! Yes, yes! :guns1:

Oooh...I just wet myself...:moods:

Seriously - that tower is to die for! GO MELBOURNE!!!:happy: :master: :master: :master: :yes: :yes: :rock: :rock: :rock:

Someone get smelling salts.
I think I need to lie down now.:dizzy:

Btw, are you sure it's an "orgasmic box"? I mean organic? The renders look like a organic rectangle with 2 longer edges.

Southbank is going to look very very schmik in a few years! With that tower there even better!

Has it gone on the market yet?? This thing better be built!

Kasper, it's still "officially" a proposal, it's at the Department of Infrastructure for approval.

Blabby: LOL settle down now, dont get TOO Excited ;)

interestingly enough, which I also forgot to mention (yer Blabby I was too excited too :D), did anyone know that the height restriction on that pocket of land is 160 metres ? ;)

"Architectural merit exception" are three words that come to mind ;)

very nice..........it reminds me of mies' famous "organic" glass tower project that never got built, but inspired lake point tower in chicago in the 60's - similar plan to prima except triangular 3 blobs instead of 4, and no steps of course!!!

http://www.thecityreview.com/leblanc7.gif

tayser, does the council actually give exceptions for architectural merit?? If they do, good on them:D........I wish other councils (like brisbane:rant: ) would do the same!!!!

absolutely stunning!!!! Asmost of you have already said, Southbank will be absolutely amazing in a few years time with all these beauties!!!!!

Any idea when the future of this tower will be decided???

Thanx guys,
MAtt:)

I really don't know Fountainhead, grollo's the best one to answer that ;)

but it makes you wonder what the Freshwater Place site was like in regard to original restrictions - as it's the same physical "block" of land........

tays

:master:

That has got to be the SEXIEST of all highrise Bitches on this planet we call Earth!!!!!!!

I want one!
I want one!
I want one!
I want one!
I want one!
I want one!
I want one!
I want one!

wow!

i dont think theyll have much problem having this approved will they?

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Well they should hurry up then shouldn't they!! hehe

Will this building be the top end of the Apartment market?? I am just wondering about demand!

Come on Bracksie get your planning department into gear, now's the time to show us what you're made of . Just think what Prima will do for your image . This may be your first step at becoming a premier with balls. All of Victoria will thank you for it.

Haha... well if the DOI is listening to this forum.. its a bit of a monty to get approved!

TAYS .. I dropped by the Nauru House Planning Centre (outside on the ground floor) but the guy didn't have anything. Did you guys have to go to the 12th floor section.. or somewhere else entirely?

Simply stunning !

I hope it goes ahead.

With Prima, FWP and Eureka, in 2006 Southbank will not only be taller but denser than the CBD !

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yes the planners are still working on it, so Central City on Level 12 is the go.

and yes definiutely there's buggar all at the Planning Info Centre (plaza level) - Prima will eventually go there for public exhibition, but other than that it's a reflection on the slowing of the market (resi) and gearing up of construction of all the copious amounts of proposals ;)

tays

And also (I forgot a lot!)

the last pic with the 6 smaller pics, the two bottom left are renderings of how the tower will look like if it's only allowed to go to the 160m limit (it'd be boxed in majorly if it were only 160m - and probably wouldnt sell!) and the other 4 are of the 220m proposal ;)

tays

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I hope it goes ahead.

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i think we have to rename Southbank- Lower manhattan! ;)

Now that all of you have multi-orgasmed (and will contiue to do so), maybe some substance.....

Who are the architects and if it is a go-er, in its tallest form, by when shall we know?

Rijavec Architecture: http://www.rijavec.com/

at a guess, give it another month til we know it's all fine and dandy at 220m

:guns1:

tays

220 would fit in with the

fwp apartments

oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit


they better fuckin approve it:bleep:

At the start of the yarra, the colour is actually crystal clear.



But when it gets to the cbd thats when it goes poo coloured.

chicago has a little river

with huge towers on the side

Prima Tower should go straight through the Planning process, just like Eureka and FWP did.

Here is the height control for the Prima Site:

Maximum Building Height:
160 metres

Buildings or works should not exceed the Building Height or reduce the Minimum Building Setback specified in the table to this schedule.

An application to exceed the Building Height or reduce the Minimum Building Setback must demonstrate how the development will continue to achieve the Design Objectives and Built Form Outcomes of this schedule and any local planning policy requirements.

Building height is the vertical distance between the footpath or natural surface level at the centre of the site frontage and the highest point of the building, with the exception of architectural
features and building services.

Built form outcomes:

Higher tower building forms at street intersections and other landmark sites which improve legibility of the urban form.

Tower developments that are well spaced to equitably distribute access to an outlook and sunlight between towers.

Development which ensures adequate solar penetration at street
level by provision of upper level setbacks, tower siting and orientation.

DESIGN OBJECTIVES:

To provide for appropriate spacing between buildings so as to maximize light, air and outlook.

To create a high quality mixed use area with a high level of pedestrian amenity.

To encourage high rise and high density residential development mixed with low density commercial development to complement and support the function of the city and service the local area.

To ensure that the design of new development respects the development potential of adjacent sites.

To encourage exemplary architecture and innovative building design.

To orientate buildings to complement and respond to the unique Southbank street system.

So what exactly does Grollo do for a living? (I know it's not putting up tall buildings through Grocon!).

Or you can do what KL was proposing to do to its Klang River before it was cancelled due to the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis...build the World's LONGEST building over the entire river! hahahaha

The Yarra is the "river that flows upside down"...not particularly dirty (any more) but certainly muddy. Occasionally you might find a bloated dead body though...hehehehe j/k. Very occasionally!

HAHAHAHA, that took a LONG time to read.
Prima was only announced a few days ago, and this thread is already 6 plages long...pheeeeeew.

What a GR8 design. I pray to god that this tower goes ahead...like some of you havne mentioned, traveleing down the yarra in a few years will be an amazing site!
Even better will be traveling down the yarra into Victoria Harbour.
Melbourne just keeps getting better, and better, and BETTER.

Thanx guys, and GO PRIMA.
MAtt:)

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put it this way, if you have a planning question, fire them at Grollo ;)

Grollo: so FWP and Eureka have gone through the same process with the same limit of 160m ?

tays

Is it possible that they won't let prima get past 160m given that they've already approved all 3 FWP towers and prima could drastically affect the commercial viability of one of them?

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I hope not! Too bad for FWP then - they should've asked for the height if they wanted it, but instead they wanted 2 towers. But the commercial viability of FWP South might be affected as it hasn't even gone to market yet. That's what I'm worried about, but I guess one step at a time.

PS. My big issue is that Imperium was hopelessly marketed, especially in the height department. But FWP is being very well marketed, and I can imagine that if Prima went up, even if there were a delay in FWP South, it would still get up eventually, and height won't be an issue.

Pity that FWP South won't have the same river views, not even riverside, and might be too close to Prima.

Correct me if I'm wrong Grollo - but I'd be pretty sure 'commercial viability' and a proposals effect as such on other approved projects to proceed because of competition is **NOT** a consideration in the planning process!!

A building is approved purely on its architecture merit and how it will fit in with the landscape as described above. Now there might be an argument to say that it's too close to FWP Resi 2 .. but hopefully won't be an issue...

ANYWAY ..

I think given some half decent marketing and not over-pricing this tower is a great chance to go ahead.. Victoria Point showed how an amazingly cool design marketed well will sell easily even in a slow market..

The design is the clincher!! If this was just another boring balcony box like Aurora in Brissy etc.. it wouldn't stand a chance in this current market..

But who could refuse to buy an apartment in a spaceship!!

The amazing thing about all of this, is that eureka was originally proposed as 2x40 storey towers, until Nonda (god bless that man!!) suggested stacking the two towers on top, instead of beside eachother:D

Had it gone ahead as 2 smaller buildings, I doubt FWP and Prima would have been proposed to the height they are now!!!

I still don't understand what eureka will look like from some angles.


????????? And "two towers stacked on top of eah other" ????????

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two towers, as Fountainhead has JUST stated above, were an ORIGINAL proposal, i.e was JUST a concept BEFORE the tower which is getting constructed right now was "envisioned" - it's irrelevant in other words.

Fountainhead: Too right, I wish we got a few pics of the skyline "renderings" I, also, dont think everything would be so spectacularly tall if the big easy were only short!

I'm half thinking of saying to Larven (person who's gradually doing a master Melbourne rendering of the skyline) stuff the rest and just do one with all the tall bitches on Southbank LOL :D

tays

On a Nice sunny day the Yarra River looks blue! It reflects off the Sky! Doesn't look brown at all!

The height controls were only passed in december but they have been proposed for a couple of years so FWP and Eureka were assessed against them.

Actually in this case they do have to take into account the 'commerical viability' of adjoining sites and must the tower must be designed:

To ensure that the design of new development respects the development potential of adjacent sites.

To provide for appropriate spacing between buildings so as to maximize light, air and outlook.

But in The Age Australand said they had no concerns with Prima and said that they had already taken into account the development potential of the site when they designed the FWP south tower. I think the proposal has adressed all of these issues.

@tayse...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...lol. Let larven do the whole skyline, aswel as one wholly dedicated to Southbank. By the way, when is larvens rendering of Melbourne going to be finished...i can't wait!!!!! Can we have a preview???

Thanx guys,
MAtt:)

One explanation for the Yarra's brown colour that I heard a scientist put forward is that as for a fair distance it flows through clay plains and in heavy rain or flooding this clay is washed into the river and discolours the water.

But the river flows the other way (from the sea instead of to the sea) and I doubt that there are a lot of clay plains between the city and the docklands/bay. That's why the Yarra is known as the "upside-down river" I know in the 1800's before there was sewerage everything was dumped into the river (including animal carcasses and the like) but that wont be the reason for its browness.

I always thought the Yarra was brown (like how the Brisbane river is a darkish brown sometimes) due to the sand flowing downstream (as mentioned above) although re: river flowing the only way: yep, the salt and fresh water have historically met here:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/newfwprender2.jpg

lol :D

tays

imagine all the speedboats hooning around when the yarras edge

boat ramps are up

The Yarra is always brown because it is an alluvial stream. :)

The Yarra around the CBD basically catches all the mud, sand etc that flows down from the upper reaches of the river system.

No other reason for it's 'browness' except natural erosion and gravity. :)

Although the crap that does flow into it doesn't help it does not contribute to it's colour.

Cheers.

But the river flows the other way (from the sea instead of to the sea) and I doubt that there are a lot of clay plains between the city and the docklands/bay. That's why the Yarra is known as the "upside-down river" I know in the 1800's before there was sewerage everything was dumped into the river (including animal carcasses and the like) but that wont be the reason for its browness.

Yes and the Sun revolves around the Earth!

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Thats the thing..

When its dry, the water flows upstream from the bay and it takes on a very normal river color like a GREENY-BROWN ..

But when it floods the water flows downstream into the bay and then you get that very clay-muddy brown colour..

One more question - I've driven past a few times and no planning application notice is on the actual site..

Isn't it a requriement to have a planning notice on the building?

A from O or someone should do a digram for ssp.com (along with QV!!!)

Let's get a few things straight - yes the brown colour is caused by sediment in the water and will be more noticeable when the river is flowing strongly. Close to the mouth you will get water from the bay moving inland as the tide comes in.

But, the Yarra river does not flow inland. The net flow is towards the bay. Always. Unless it dries up completely upstream.

they should build a massive filtration plant at ivanhoe

so melburnians can draw on excess water

and pump the filtrated water back down the yarra


such as the ones used in florida

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so melburnians can draw on excess water

and pump the filtrated water back down the yarra


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Instead of a wasting money to build a filtration plant the government should be building deslalination plants first to seperate salt from the sea water... at least it'd give us a bit more water.

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<tr><td align=left valign=top> yep, the salt and fresh water have historically met here:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/newfwprender2.jpg

lol :D

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Hehe...until they blew the crap out of the lovely little waterfall that used to separate fresh from salt water...hehe:bash:

I'm sooo excited about Southbank's talls!!!:drool: :drool: :drool: :soon:

220 metres is a nice height

the next site for a massive tower

in my opinion is

polly woodside

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in my opinion is

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Dude.... what the HELL are u talkin about???

do you think the area near polly woodside would be built on?

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It's the Exhibition Centre Parklands!?!? They would never build on that.

And that vacant land at the southwest end of the Exhibition Centre between the Maritime Museum itself and the West Gate Freeway is for the new Maritime Museum extention.

Then u take one step further behind that you have land, but no waterfront land, because thats already taken by Yarra's Edge, right up to the Bolte Bridge.

newb

ITS A FUKEN MAD HEIGHT!!!!

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Actually this is not a stupid idea at all, just might prove difficult..

When driving across Kings Way yesterday and visualising all the towers lined up on Southbank, then looking at Yarras Edge .. there's really a huge gap where the Polly Woodside parklands and maritime museum are..

This spot is just begging for a couple more towers to complete the line of skyscrapers all the way along Southbank..

I think the best chance is that huge carpark behind the sheds on the water.. even if it that is earmarked for maritime museum extension they could still incorporate some towers in it..

Rijavec, the architects seem to be big on the concepts which is great for their P.R., but how dows it translate into concrete (literally) projects.

I just hope that this is not them just being conceptual artists, taunting and teasing us. If you have/had a look @ the site tayser provided i.e. www.rijavec.com.au , you will see they are big on the visuals.

i'm sure they are serious in their submission for Prima though.

Maybe i've missed something, but who is (supposedly) financing Prima in whatever form it takes:?

The project is being developed by Tony Shiavello who runs an office interior design business which currently has it's headquarters on the site. In order to obtain a planning permit the plans have to be pretty detailed and the process for a building like this is rather expensive so it's more than just a pretty concept that has been dreamed up by an architecture firm :-)

The application may not be advertised at all, Freshwater Place and Eureka never were, but most likely it will be within the next month. Sometimes the Responisble Authority (The minister for Planning, DOI in this case) will require further details or design changes before the application can be advertised.

OK thanks. i actually still find their conceptual stuff very pretty, pretty. Re Circular Quay.

Just to reiterate:
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Look what I spotted in the window of Schiavello Interior designs store in Southbank (which is the actual location of the proposed tower)..

http://users.bigpond.net.au/speckled10/DSC00256.jpg

(For those of you going 'duh?', look *closely* at the window display!!)

Lets hope its a good sign..

Good heavens! Apologies for being the newcoming ignoramus...All residential project? At what stage of planning application? How close to FWP1?
Is fine looking. I'm concerned that area could get TOO crowded.

its opposite that big 20 white flats at southbank

near crown tower 2

Mr. Bluestar (welcome).

Don't be concerned about overcrowding. Southbank will never be too crowded. In fact you will see over the next year or two even more developments being proposed.

I contacted Ivan Rijavec ( Primas architect) this morning about height of Prima above ground. Its front entrance is 2m exactly above sea level thus 218m above ground!

i like to get the official heights striaght from horses mouth!

So it comes in at 5th tallest res tower in oz!

Q1-322m
Eureka-297m
World tower-230m
Circle on Cavill B-219m
Prima-218m
Freshwater-203m x2



;)

Great stuff Cul! Imagine - Prima will be TALLER than FWP!:guns1:

Um, this is probably a great way to start an all-in-brawl, but do we really think Q1 qualifies as the tallest residential tower, just cos of that 50 odd metre prick on the front? If we were going to use that criteria, then Collins 120 would be the current Melbourne tallest, no?

:eek:
Blue fleeing from anticipated shitstorm.

Bluestar, I agree with your statement above.

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Don't Start..... plenty of this already!:rant: There is already a closed thread about it....

Are the DOI still on holidays! They take a while don't they...

I really think however that prima will be delayed to come on the market because of the current climate..

Prima Tower is listed as one of Australia's tallest residential towers in 2005, but I haven't heard of this tower before. Are there any more pics and info?

silvermb oobtained these renderings from the Vic DOI:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/prima01.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/prima02.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/prima03.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/prima04.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/prima12.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/prima13.jpg

plus also, other info in this thread:

http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19334

cheers

tays

Thanks!

any chance you could do us a diagram for skyscraperpage.com damian? cause i know youd do a better job than if i tried

:eek2: Pleeeease let this baby get up.

Blue

yes damien we want you to draw another excellent diagram :yes:

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I wholeheartedly & categorically agree.................. and stuff. ;)

tays

If someone can give me a list of the various heights of setbacks, total heights, etc, I can do such a shite drawing that Damien will be forced to do one out of sheer civic duty.....

Cheers,

Adam

just did one big mofo of a thread merge (keeping all prima stuff in one place etc).

Adam: HOORAY you finally decided to log in and post again... :D

anyhow, you might be able to decipher / guess heights of setbacks and the likes from pics 5 or so posts above..........

unless someone has the actuals (doubt it)

cheers

tays

DING DING DING!!!!

Thanks to that overview I finally completely understand the configuration of the entire block! Before I did think that FWP South might be a little too close for comfort, but now I see that both FWP N and S are closer to FWP Office tower than Prima is to either of them! :cool:

What an absolutely stunning design and a great opportunity for this city. If this goes ahead the Southbank skyline would have to be the biggest skyline outside a CBD anywhere in OZ! It would even rival many of the other capitals too! :eek2:

*Falls over then wakes up and realises he lives in the best place on this planet*:dizzy:

MG2

Here's a very quick idea of the building's silhouette as it would appear as 218m.

http://www.users.bigpond.com/stclair2/roughprima.bmp

Any renderings from this angle? (apologies if there's one two posts up....:D )

Will work on it this weekend.

Cheers,

Adam

yes there's a few just up there ;)

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/prima01.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/prima03.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/prima13.jpg

tays

Thanks, tays.

Bugger, this will take some time.

There goes the crocheting this weekend......

Any ideas of what the podium will appear like?

Cheers,

Adam probably biting off more than he can chew.

I have almost finished my diagram :-) It's taken ages, just the podium to go now.

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Great! Give us a sneek peek.

I'm stopping then.

Back to the crochet again......

EDIT: Can you post new buildings to the diagram, grollo? If you can't, I can.

Cheers,

Adam

I have started Royal Domain & Verve 501, I am half way through an updated Eureka and a new Rialto (with and without spire) and almost finished Prima.

I just haven't had time to finish them off lately :-(

Although I will finish Prima and post it on the weekend.

Well ive got some news about the Prima tower.
I had a talk to Ivan Rijavec this morning about Prima's status etc. and he told me this .
Developer Tony Shiavello will move his showroom out to Tullermarine in December and start to demolish existing premises on the Prima site. He then will build his new showroom which will make up alot of the podium for Prima. He then will probably start construction in early 2005 and completion by 2006. He isnt concerned about current markets as it still safe to build within the next 3 years.Also the tower isan owner /occupyer project)

So thats is excellent news on this project!
Ivan also indicated the Council have given positive reviews on its design and this is a good indication for its approval soon!

So patience will be needed for this project but the wait will be worth it!
cheers

:D

swoit!

..spreading the BIG-BASTARD construction out - I like! :guns1:

if it starts in 2005 it'll be one of the biggest going up in that timeframe probably.

thanks again Oh Masterful Culwulla ;)

:guns1:

tays

YESSIR !!!

I am certaintly patient.. I mean I've noticed a bit of a lull on the proposed side while we deal with the huge amount of construction we've now reaped from the past couple of years.

So in about 2 years when the Big E and all the others are nearing the end it will be perfect timing for the next round of talls to get underway led by the mighty Prima !!

I don't know if I can wait that long! ahh! I'll be stressing for 2 more years!

Well at least it is going to go up! Go Prima! Sell prima! Build Prima! Sorry...just a little excitied!

Looking foward to the diagrams grollo!

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I've got the crayons out and QV Residential is well onto the drawing boards.

Cheers,

Adam

Have added the "silhouette" drawing of the 218m proposed Prima tower for approval on Skyscraperpage.com.

Its dimensions and setbacks are correct - there is simply all detail missing (oh, is that all...?) - a proper diagram is coming (from Grollo) but this sketch is better than the question mark currently on the Melbourne diagram!

We'll see if this makes it!

Cheers,

Adam

:eek:

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=1152&drawingID=1647_http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=107&drawingID=11376_http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=285&drawingID=283_http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=286&drawingID=284___http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=8366&drawingID=11428___http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=284&drawingID=282_http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=7003&drawingID=7001_http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=1501&drawingID=1499_http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=2623&drawingID=2621_http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=1137&drawingID=1135

Poor Nauru will be relegated to #10

come along way since Nauru was Melb's tallest eh ;)

:eek:

Oh, poor poor old Nauru ... ready for a mundane not-quite-mid-rise neighbour @ 80 Collins St ... it even has the audacity to also front Exhibtion St.

Annnywoooo, let's hope for Oz's sake that Prima does go ahead! Keeping fingers crossed; all 218 (metres) of them ;) .

Out of those top 10, i think FWP should be done again. it doesnt even look like it due to its slimness. Is there a wider elevation someone can draw up.It would show the building form better i think?
Im sure this elevation isnt the main entrance? is it?
@museumb-the Prima will go ahead but not for approx 3 years.(this is what architects told mauh).
anyhow thats an impressive top ten come 2006ish.

Since when did the Rialto get a Bart Simpson hair cut?

Cheers,

Adam

How come the diagram's gone back to the old Eureka picture?

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The newer Eureka diagram has incorrect heights - the setback on the left is about 15m too short.

Cheers,

Adam

I drew the FWP diagrams ages ago when the first rendering came out, I will have to redo them with the amended heights, podium etc...

I drew one of the towers from the side and one head on. The main entrance to FWP North is from Queensbridge Square so I don't have a problem with using that elevation for the diagram, but it does have to be redone :-)

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Nothing a slight modification can't fix (regarding Larven doesn't mind).
http://www.fooled-forever.net/clem/ss/larveneu.gif
That's right, isn't it?

EDIT: Evened-out golden crown.
EDIT II: Right setback was too low, but now it has to be correct.

The Golden Crown, as I will always refer to it, is lower on the right hand side for some reason.

They should both be the same height. EDIT II: It was like this until you edited it and fixed it.

EDIT: A reminder of Lior's original diagram:
http://www.users.bigpond.com/stclair2/E1.jpg

Cheers,

Adam

Any updates on Prima?

MG2

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<tr><td align=left valign=top>Well ive got some news about the Prima tower.
I had a talk to Ivan Rijavec this morning about Prima's status etc. and he told me this .
Developer Tony Shiavello will move his showroom out to Tullermarine in December and start to demolish existing premises on the Prima site. He then will build his new showroom which will make up alot of the podium for Prima. He then will probably start construction in early 2005 and completion by 2006/7. He isnt concerned about current markets as it still safe to build within the next 3 years.Also the tower is an owner /occupyer project)

So thats is excellent news on this project!
Ivan also indicated the Council have given positive reviews on its design and this is a good indication for its approval soon!

So patience will be needed for this project but the wait will be worth it!
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MG2-this was latest back a few pages. it wont change much from this-

hahahah!

myself and silvermb walked past the site today

gotta love the billboard, which faces South West along Queensbridge Street, iterally ON the building Prima will be replacing:

"Why buy here?"
Verve 501 Swanston Street is Melbourne's hottest place to live
Swanston Street, City

*nyuk*

!

thought i revive prima thread. it was back a few pages.

heres a digram showing the southbank giants!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/126fwpprimaeurekadigram.jpg

Prima should get built because it isn't being proposed by speculators but is being proposed by the people who have owned the site for 20 years, the cashed up Schiavello family. They are doing VERY well out of the current office mini boom in Australia at the moment, here is a bit of background from BRW:

Brothers Tony Schiavello and Joe Schiavello, who moved to Brunswick, Melbourne, from southern Italy in the late 1950s, began making demountable partitions at their home in 1966. They moved into ergonomic furniture and then commercial fit-outs. Their Schiavello Group, with annual sales of about $180 million, now has 35% of the Australian office fit-out market, and exports account for 12.5% of the company's furniture sales.

The wisdom gained by the older Schiavellos is being passed on. Tony's eldest son, Peter, is deputy managing director, and his youngest son, Paul, is general manager of production. Both started on the factory floor after finishing school (Peter first helped his father at the office when he was eight). Schiavello says that keeping the company in family hands preserves its integrity. 'You put yourself in the position of staff and customers and treat them as you would want to be treated yourself,' he says.

Schiavello is not ready to retire, but says Peter could take the helm tomorrow. 'He has far more ability and knowledge that I had at his age.' The Schiavello family is worth an estimated $63 million.

Tony Schiavello:
http://brw.com.au/stories/20010518/images/174_Schiavello.jpg


Sounds a bit like the story of the Grollo family :-)

Cul';s model pics: http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55217

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/502/126primafwpfromabove.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/502/126primawt.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/502/126primaq1.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/502/126primawtriparian.jpg

thanks to Sir Culwulla for the models / pics!

OMG!!! Cul, that's brilliant work!!! And Prima looks the best of the lot (except Q1). And its height is not to be understated!!! And Riparian...well...poor Brisbanites... :D

Thought that I would bring this thread back into play as it has been about 2 months since the last reply.

Has anyone got any updates?

Is it actually going to be built?

Originally posted by Kushantaiidan
Is it actually going to be built?
i repost this every few months!lol

Ive had a talk to Ivan Rijavec (architect for Prima) about Prima's status etc. and he told me this .
Developer Tony Shiavello will move his showroom out to Tullermarine in December and start to demolish existing premises on the Prima site. He then will build his new showroom which will make up alot of the podium for Prima. He then will probably start construction in early 2005 and completion by 2006/7. He isnt concerned about current markets as it still safe to build within the next 3 years.Also the tower is an owner /occupyer project)

So thats is excellent news on this project!
Ivan also indicated the Council have given positive reviews on its design and this is a good indication for its approval soon!

So patience will be needed for this project but the wait will be worth it!
cheers

Yeah its great news about this awesome tower.. as has been mentioned in the past, i think by silvermb, this development is NOT a speculative one.. Tony Shiavello's family has owned the site for many years and he can afford to take his time with the pre sales and council approval etc.. he wouldnt be in any hurry.

so im sure once it gets approval, which looks like a formamlity, a 2005 start date is very reasonable.

and at 220m this will be one big mofo.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

Originally posted by Dean


and at 220m this will be one big mofo.


yeah, as per pics above and below, the envelope is almost the same size as WT:

http://www.emporis.co.uk/files/transfer/6/2003/11/228182.jpg

http://www.emporis.co.uk/files/transfer/6/2003/11/229171.jpg

(pics c/o the illustrious Cul )

:angel: :angel: :angel:

Yep we have to be nice and patient on this one.. but that sounds like a sensible plan..

Come mid 2005 when E+FWP will be close to finished and showing their true impact - and there will have been no major proposals for quick some time then (we assume) .. the timing should be perfect for a new major tower..

If we do actually see the demolishion and construction of the podium as indicated then I'm starting to feel very warm'n'fuzzy about the BIG P !!