erm that's 25000, probably their lowest ever for a Champions League game.

You said 10000, and regularly under 15000!!!

Will you admit you were talking rubbish? If not, let's see the links!!

If I could find links I'd provide them. I stand by the numbers. If you've ant old copies of News of the World Football Annual from the mid/late 1990's they'll be in there.

25K is nothing like their lowest ever for CL games. Laughable quite frankly.

[QUOTE=bubomb]

In case you've forgotten, Heysel led to a ban for all English clubs from European competition. Consequently, unless your team was competing for the title or struggling against relegation, most games became utterly meaningless. It took English fans a year or two to recover their appetite for the game after that. I am certain that, but for Heysel, attendances at White Hart Lane in 85-86 would have been somewhere between 25,000 - 30,000.



Well, duh! Scottish clubs weren't banned from Europe!



I see that you've added crystal ball and star gazing to your list of dubious skills! Who knows what will happen over the next ten years? I only know that Spurs currently has a very young team, full to the brim with internationals, that is getting better all the time. We have a good manager. We have loads of money. We have an ambitious board that has a clever buying policy and which backs the manager in the transfer market. All ingredients for sustained improvement. Anything more than that, neither of us can say.



Err, why? Because I had the temerity to suggest that, if Spurs can continue to progress as they have over the past eighteen months, that they could compete regularly with the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal and Man Utd? Oh woe! What a terrible person I am! How deluded! I should know that things never change; that good management counts for nothing; that the teams that have mostly been at the top over the past few years will always be at the top; that no other team will ever emerge to challenge them, however wealthy and however well managed that challenging team is!

Best if you go back to your crystal balls and tarot cards, son!


That's utter nonsense and you know it. Not being in Europe makes your season irrelevant!!!! Utter nonsense. If that's the case then Spurs should have got 20000 crowds for the last 20 years, as for the last 20 years they have rarely been in Europe or had any chance of qualifying for Europe.

Most teams every year in England have no European football and no chance of winning the League or qualifying for Europe, but that doesn't stop the fans coming out. During the Heysel era, Rangers had no chance of winning the league and went out of Europe early, but I still go went to games as did the fans of every other Scottish club whether they were in Europe or not.

Your Heysel excuse is pathetic. Take this season for example (and every season sice Heysel) -

Blackburn Rovers
Manchester City
West Ham United
Newcastle United
Aston Villa
Charlton Athletic
Fulham
Everton

These teams have no European football, no hope of winning the title and no hope of relegation and no hope of qualifing for Europe, but the fans still turn up.

In fact, why have you followed Spurs for the last 20 years???? You have had no hope of winning the league, no hope of relegation and no European football.

Explain why 85/86 was different to any other season for a Spurs fan? There was no difference. No europe, no title, no relegation - the same as every other year for the last 20 years.

During the 5 year ban, and the 5 years after the ban was lifted - English attendances stayed roughly the same. Proof that Heysel did not lower attendances.

You are simply talking total rubbish.

Your total lack of objectivity is hilarious. You are a typical daft fan who's love of his club blinds any logical thought. Spurs ain't gonnie win anything. Wake up and smell the coffee!! The 60's/70's have finished, Spurs ain't that club anymore!

Take it from a neutral - you ain't a big club. You will never win the league in the next 20 years either. You are so far behind the big English clubs that you will never catch up. Not now, not in 10 years, not in 20 years.

You might get in the UEFA cup once a decade though!!

You have to remember that you claimed Spurs v Arsenal could get an attendance of over a quarter of a million, beating the Brazil v Uruguay 1950 World Cup Final World Record attendance by over 25%, so you can't blame me for presuming you are completely insane!

http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/gallery/screenshots/s3/7f24_019.jpg

You have to remember that you claimed Spurs v Arsenal could get an attendance of over a quarter of a million, beating the Brazil v Uruguay 1950 World Cup Final World Record attendance by over 25%, so you can't blame me for presuming you are completely insane!

http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/gallery/screenshots/s3/7f24_019.jpg

Spurs v Arsenal, in a big enough stadium probably would get 100,000+

Spurs v Arsenal, in a big enough stadium probably would get 100,000+


For a league game, I reckon about 90000 max (away fans are always travel in smaller numbers, even in a huge stadium in the same city), for a cup semi or final about 100000 max, but 250000??????? That's just MENTALIST!!

http://www.alan-partridge.co.uk/multimedia/videoclips/imalans01/s01e05/s1e5Mentalst.mpg

erm that's 25000, probably their lowest ever for a Champions League game.

You said 10000, and regularly under 15000!!!

Will you admit you were talking rubbish? If not, let's see the links!!

So if you saw a link with a crowd of perhaps 9,000 would you admit that you were wrong?

This thread should be moved to the UK skybar! NOW! MAINTENANT!

So if you saw a link with a crowd of perhaps 9,000 would you admit that you were wrong?

Of course, but only for the under 10000 part, not for the under 15000 regularly part!

Of course, but only for the under 10000 part, not for the under 15000 regularly part!

I didn't say 'under 15,000 regularly'

I said "You'd be surprised. I went to Madrid for a game in 2000 and in the group stages(first group) they'd had a sub-10,000 crowd. I saw them play Kiev at home in front of about 40,000. In the previous seasons Real struggled to get decent crowds in the first group stage and a crowd of under 15,000 wasn't uncommon."

You're twisting my words.

You'd said that Real always got 40-80,000 in the CL. I have already proved otherwise.

I didn't say 'under 15,000 regularly'

I said "You'd be surprised. I went to Madrid for a game in 2000 and in the group stages(first group) they'd had a sub-10,000 crowd. I saw them play Kiev at home in front of about 40,000. In the previous seasons Real struggled to get decent crowds in the first group stage and a crowd of under 15,000 wasn't uncommon."

You're twisting my words.

You'd said that Real always got 40-80,000 in the CL. I have already proved otherwise.


They mostly get 40-80,000 in the Champions League.

"under 15,000 wasn't uncommon" - I'm saying that it is very uncommon. Let's see all these under 15000's?

Rangers, celtic and Spurs ain't bigger.....
Rangers, Celtic and Spurs, bubomb.

Get your English sorted - all names start with capital letters.





You guys are all arguing about different things, btw - this will just go round and round in circles until someone's computer explodes and loses by default.

They mostly get 40-80,000 in the Champions League.

"under 15,000 wasn't uncommon" - I'm saying that it is very uncommon. Let's see all these under 15000's?

No. You said, and I quote Real have always had 40 - 80000 in the Champions League. Spurs shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Barcelona and Real Madrid!!!!

So only yesterday you refused to accept that Real Madrid have had CL crowds under 40,000. I've already shown you one of 25K.

Real Madrid 3-0 Olympiakos, attendance 9,000 26th October 1999.
Real Madrid 3-1 Porto, attendance 27,000 28th September 1999.

So we see that Real have failed to break 10,000 at least once in the CL. Surely you accept with two others at the 25K mark it's possible that there were others below 15K?

No. You said, and I quote Real have always had 40 - 80000 in the Champions League. Spurs shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Barcelona and Real Madrid!!!!

So only yesterday you refused to accept that Real Madrid have had CL crowds under 40,000. I've already shown you one of 25K.

Real Madrid 3-0 Olympiakos, attendance 9,000 26th October 1999.
Real Madrid 3-1 Porto, attendance 27,000 28th September 1999.

So we see that Real have failed to break 10,000 at least once in the CL. Surely you accept with two others at the 25K mark it's possible that there were others below 15K?


Ok, I'm changing 'always' to 'mostly', what's the big deal? It just a word, I don't spend hours scrutinising my text before I post.

'Real Madrid 3-0 Olympiakos, attendance 9,000 26th October 1999'

That's not good enough. I can easily say -

'Real Madrid 3-0 Olympiakos, attendance 42,154 26th October 1999'

and where are all these 'not uncommon' sub 15000 crowds?

Rangers, Celtic and Spurs, bubomb.

Get your English sorted - all names start with capital letters.





You guys are all arguing about different things, btw - this will just go round and round in circles until someone's computer explodes and loses by default.

I think we should just declare me the winner. Yes, I think that's best.

Ok, I'm changing 'always' to 'mostly', what's the big deal? It just a word, I don't spend hours scrutinising my text before I post.

'Real Madrid 3-0 Olympiakos, attendance 9,000 26th October 1999'

That's not good enough. I can easily say -

'Real Madrid 3-0 Olympiakos, attendance 42,154 26th October 1999'

and where are all these 'not uncommon' sub 15000 crowds?

OK bubomb, you win. Real Madrid ALWAYS get 40-80,000 for champions league games. The 9,000 was clearly a figment of my imagination :rofl:

OK bubomb, you win. Real Madrid ALWAYS get 40-80,000 for champions league games. The 9,000 was clearly a figment of my imagination :rofl:

I think it is a figment of your imagination!! Show me a link?

I think you also missed - "I'm changing 'always' to 'mostly'"

and I repeat, where are all these 'not uncommon' sub 15000 crowds? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I think it is a figment of your imagination!! Show me a link?

I think you also missed - "I'm changing 'always' to 'mostly'"

and I repeat, where are all these 'not uncommon' sub 15000 crowds? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Here's one, well under 15,000

http://soccer-europe.com/Archives/UCL/Cl9900/Reports/P1Groupe.html

Let me guess................this won't be good enough?

Here's one, well under 15,000

http://soccer-europe.com/Archives/UCL/Cl9900/Reports/P1Groupe.html

Let me guess................this won't be good enough?


Well this is a rare event. It appears I was wrong. The last time this happened was on the 14th of April 1984!!

However, I'm not the only one who was wrong. How many home games have Real Madrid played in the Champions League? 60, maybe 70? I think it's fair to class one attendance under 15000 out of 70 games as 'uncommon'. For it not to be 'uncommon', you would need to show me 6 or 7 games where Madrids crowds were under 15000. The same goes for Barcelona when you said crowds under 30000 were not 'uncommon'.

So yes, I was wrong, but so were you.....twice!

I should also add that Madrid have the 2nd highest average football attendances in the world.

Yes, I've seen the fawning excuses you've made for Juventus.

It's interesting, though, that in a marginally different context a few pages back, you stated (rightly, in my opinion) that the only fans that count are those that go to games or who would go to games if tickets weren't so scarce.

Now you seem to have changed your tune, for Juve's sake. But the simple fact is that Juve attracted average crowds last season of only 26,000. This was despite their team winning Serie A; despite most ticket prices being cheap as chips; despite playing in a stadium with a capacity of over 60,000; and despite year on year success for the club. This season, they are running away with Serie A and they are only averaging 28,000.

As Iain so rightly suggested, perhaps Juve are only a 25,000 kind of club these days?


Please read and learn -

http://bianconeri.tripod.com/fans2.html

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1447/tifosi2724ix.jpg

Spurs have about a million 'fans', but only about 50000 of these will be genuine supporters and they nearly all live in London. Juventus have 11 million 'fans' and at least 200000 of these will be genuine supporters. Unfortunately for Juventus, these supporters are spread out all over Italy and very few of them live in Turin. As a result, most of them will find it impossible to go home games in Turin. Juventus always sell out their away allocation as they have so many genuine supporters spread out over Italy. This huge support is why they are the 2nd biggest club in the world.

and please don't mention Juventus and Spurs in the same sentence. It's offensive to football fans who don't live in mental hospitals.

Well this is a rare event. It appears I was wrong. The last time this happened was on the 14th of April 1984!!

However, I'm not the only one who was wrong. How many home games have Real Madrid played in the Champions League? 60, maybe 70? I think it's fair to class one attendance under 15000 out of 70 games as 'uncommon'. For it not to be 'uncommon', you would need to show me 6 or 7 games where Madrids crowds were under 15000. The same goes for Barcelona when you said crowds under 30000 were not 'uncommon'.

So yes, I was wrong, but so were you.....twice!

I should also add that Madrid have the 2nd highest average football attendances in the world.

I'm not disputing that Real Madrid have good crowds these days. I never disputed that.

However, not so many years ago Reals crowds were patchy at best. Yes, they would get 60K much of the time but I've shown you 3 of below 30K and information on crowds for CL games pre-2000 (the era I'm talking about) is hard to find on the web.

You're right, I was unable to show more than one crowd under 15K. However, I assure you that it hapenned more than once.

I'm not disputing that Real Madrid have good crowds these days. I never disputed that.

However, not so many years ago Reals crowds were patchy at best. Yes, they would get 60K much of the time but I've shown you 3 of below 30K and information on crowds for CL games pre-2000 (the era I'm talking about) is hard to find on the web.

You're right, I was unable to show more than one crowd under 15K. However, I assure you that it hapenned more than once.


Unless you can show me 6 or 7 cases for both Mardid and Barcelona, then you will also be joining the 'wrong' gang. You will also be getting a special double membership for being wrong twice.

[QUOTE]Not being in Europe makes your season irrelevant!!!! Utter nonsense. If that's the case then Spurs should have got 20000 crowds for the last 20 years, as for the last 20 years they have rarely been in Europe or had any chance of qualifying for Europe.

Erm, English clubs were only allowed back into European competition in 1990. During the five years previously, Spurs would have qualified for Europe on a number occasions. Furthermore, in the past fifteen years, Spurs frequently had a chance of qualifying for Europe up until the final couple of months of the season. That's the nature of football supporters, you see. They are generally of an optimistic nature. The difference between the last fifteen years and post Heysel is that, right from the start of the season, there was no hope of qualifying for Europe. Anyone barring an educationally sub standard chimp should be able to understand the distinction.

Your Heysel excuse is pathetic. Take this season for example (and every season sice Heysel) -

Blackburn Rovers
Manchester City
West Ham United
Newcastle United
Aston Villa
Charlton Athletic
Fulham
Everton

These teams have no European football, no hope of winning the title and no hope of relegation and no hope of qualifing for Europe, but the fans still turn up.

1. All these teams most certainly do have a hope of qualifying for European football. It's a nonsense to claim that they don't. You clearly know even less about English football than I previously suspected.

2. As you pointed out earlier in this thread, you cannot compare English football at its nadir in the mid 80's with the state of the game in England currently.

Explain why 85/86 was different to any other season for a Spurs fan? There was no difference. No europe, no title, no relegation - the same as every other year for the last 20 years.

During the 5 year ban, and the 5 years after the ban was lifted - English attendances stayed roughly the same. Proof that Heysel did not lower attendances.

You are simply talking total rubbish.

Take another look. I think you'll find that, but for two or three clubs that were competing for the title, attendances fell everywhere for one or two seasons after Heysel.

Besides, it's all immaterial. Whatever the actual effect of Heysel on attendances, it's frankly ridiculous for you to judge Spurs' support on the basis of one season - our worst ever season in terms of attendances. Not even a first year kindergarten kid would be so moronic. The only right and proper way to make such judgements is on the basis of support over an extended period.

Your total lack of objectivity is hilarious. You are a typical daft fan who's love of his club blinds any logical thought. Spurs ain't gonnie win anything. Wake up and smell the coffee!! The 60's/70's have finished, Spurs ain't that club anymore!

Take it from a neutral - you ain't a big club. You will never win the league in the next 20 years either. You are so far behind the big English clubs that you will never catch up. Not now, not in 10 years, not in 20 years.

You might get in the UEFA cup once a decade though!!

You're not a neutral, however much you might bleat about it. You're simply an agitator; a troll. I know I should ignore you but it's too much fun showing you up. It's interesting that the only genuine neutrals who have ventured an opinion in this discussion (Iain and kingdomca) have disagreed strongly with you.

Please read and learn

Spurs have about a million 'fans', but only about 50000 of these will be genuine supporters and they nearly all live in London. Juventus have 11 million 'fans' and at least 200000 of these will be genuine supporters. Unfortunately for Juventus, these supporters are spread out all over Italy and very few of them live in Turin. As a result, most of them will find it impossible to go home games in Turin. Juventus always sell out their away allocation as they have so many genuine supporters spread out over Italy. This huge support is why they are the 2nd biggest club in the world.

and please don't mention Juventus and Spurs in the same sentence. It's offensive to football fans who don't live in mental hospitals.

I know all about Juve, thanks.

But I repeat (and as you said yourself), what's the point of having these "fans" if they never go to home games?

I'm sure that Liverpool and Man Utd could get crowds of 100,000 if they played all their home games in Malaysia, Japan or Thailand. But that's not very realistic, is it? Same rules apply to Juve. You can't have it both ways. Juve are a team from Turin. They have always been a team from Turin. If the fans that "support" them from afar can't be bothered to go to games, then they don't qualify under your own credentials.

End of story.

You have to remember that you claimed Spurs v Arsenal could get an attendance of over a quarter of a million, beating the Brazil v Uruguay 1950 World Cup Final World Record attendance by over 25%, so you can't blame me for presuming you are completely insane!

Err, no I didn't. You can't read.

I said that, for the 1991 FA Cup semi final, Spurs and Arsenal could each have sold their allocations three times over. Since our allocations were about 30,000, that would make a crowd of 180,000. You can disagree all you like but the truth is that:

a) you know little about English football.

b) you know little about north London rivalry.

c) you know little about the particular game in question.

[QUOTE=bubomb]

Erm, English clubs were only allowed back into European competition in 1990. During the five years previously, Spurs would have qualified for Europe on a number occasions. Furthermore, in the past fifteen years, Spurs frequently had a chance of qualifying for Europe up until the final couple of months of the season. That's the nature of football supporters, you see. They are generally of an optimistic nature. The difference between the last fifteen years and post Heysel is that, right from the start of the season, there was no hope of qualifying for Europe. Anyone barring an educationally sub standard chimp should be able to understand the distinction.



1. All these teams most certainly do have a hope of qualifying for European football. It's a nonsense to claim that they don't. You clearly know even less about English football than I previously suspected.

2. As you pointed out earlier in this thread, you cannot compare English football at its nadir in the mid 80's with the state of the game in England currently.



Take another look. I think you'll find that, but for two or three clubs that were competing for the title, attendances fell everywhere for one or two seasons after Heysel.

Besides, it's all immaterial. Whatever the actual effect of Heysel on attendances, it's frankly ridiculous for you to judge Spurs' support on the basis of one season - our worst ever season in terms of attendances. Not even a first year kindergarten kid would be so moronic. The only right and proper way to make such judgements is on the basis of support over an extended period.



You're not a neutral, however much you might bleat about it. You're simply an agitator; a troll. I know I should ignore you but it's too much fun showing you up. It's interesting that the only genuine neutrals who have ventured an opinion in this discussion (Iain and kingdomca) have disagreed strongly with you.

Sorry mate, you know nothing about English football if you think all those teams have a chance of European football. How the hell are Newcastle United, Everton or Aston Villa going to get into Europe?

Heysel did not effect attendances. The attendance figures for the 5 year ban and the 5 years after the ban are almost the same.

You are not showing anybody up. You claimed Spurs v Arsenal could get a crowd of over a quater of a million. This highlighted how stupid you are and how little you know about football. You are just a daft fan who thinks his club is massive when everybody can see they are not. You have massive delusions of grandeur. I think you also claimed England had a good chance of winning the World Cup!!!!! You simply don't have a clue about football!!

You are simply a typical daft fan who thinks his club are far bigger than they are. You see it all the time in football.

Spurs are a nice club with a nice little stadium. That's all they are. The big boys are in Champions League, you can't even get in the UEFA cup. Big clubs win things. Spurs stopped being a big club 25 years ago. Accept it.

I don't like Arsenal, but in Scotland most fans don't even class Spurs as a rival to Arsenal as the gap is so big. I'm sorry, but your days of being a big club are finished.

Err, no I didn't. You can't read.

I said that, for the 1991 FA Cup semi final, Spurs and Arsenal could each have sold their allocations three times over. Since our allocations were about 30,000, that would make a crowd of 180,000. You can disagree all you like but the truth is that:

a) you know little about English football.

b) you know little about north London rivalry.

c) you know little about the particular game in question.

Nope, you claimed over 225000

"Next, consider the three FA Cup semi finals we have played against Arsenal in the past decade and a half. The first two attracted capacity crowds of 75,000 and each team could have sold three times their allocation"

2250000/180000??? Get a grip of yourself man and stop talking shite!.
Seriously, are you mentally ill?

180000 - Grow up!!

I've met some daft football fans in my time, but this guy's in a different league!!

I've never heard such nonsense in all my life!!

England are going to win the World Cup and Spurs play Arsenal in front of a World Record 225000. Seriously - this guy's off his rocker!! I think he genuinely believes some of the stuff he's coming out with!!!

http://www.alan-partridge.co.uk/multimedia/videoclips/imalans01/s01e05/s1e5Mentalst.mpg

I know all about Juve, thanks.

But I repeat (and as you said yourself), what's the point of having these "fans" if they never go to home games?

I'm sure that Liverpool and Man Utd could get crowds of 100,000 if they played all their home games in Malaysia, Japan or Thailand. But that's not very realistic, is it? Same rules apply to Juve. You can't have it both ways. Juve are a team from Turin. They have always been a team from Turin. If the fans that "support" them from afar can't be bothered to go to games, then they don't qualify under your own credentials.

End of story.

It's not that they can't be bothered, they physically can't go as they live hundreds of miles away. If you have a wife and kids then you cannot bugger off every weekend on a journey of hundreds of miles. You would be gone for the whole weekend. This is asking a bit much. This is why all clubs have a much smaller away support compared to their home support (apart from Juventus for reasons explained). These supporters are still very valuable to Juventus as the money they give to the club and their interest in the club makes Juventus the 2nd biggest club in the world.

Do you not understand? 90% of genuine Spurs supporters live in London and can easily go to home games, 90% of genuine Juventus supporters live hundreds of miles away and so cannot go to home games, and instead go to away games when Juventus are playing within a reasonable distance (Juventus always sell out their away allocation).

If Juventus only had 28000 genuine supporters then they wouldn't be the 2nd biggest club in the world. Think about it!!

I don't think you understand the unique circumstances of Juventus. There is no other club like them. Read the link and learn -

http://bianconeri.tripod.com/fans2.html

[QUOTE=JimB]

Sorry mate, you know nothing about English football if you think all those teams have a chance of European football. How the hell are Newcastle United, Everton or Aston Villa going to get into Europe?

Heysel did not effect attendances. The attendance figures for the 5 year ban and the 5 years after the ban are almost the same.

You are not showing anybody up. You claimed Spurs v Arsenal could get a crowd of over a quater of a million. This highlighted how stupid you are and how little you know about football. You are just a daft fan who thinks his club is massive when everybody can see they are not. You have massive delusions of grandeur. I think you also claimed England had a good chance of winning the World Cup!!!!! You simply don't have a clue about football!!

You are simply a typical daft fan who thinks his club are far bigger than they are. You see it all the time in football.

Spurs are a nice club with a nice little stadium. That's all they are. The big boys are in Champions League, you can't even get in the UEFA cup. Big clubs win things. Spurs stopped being a big club 25 years ago. Accept it.

I don't like Arsenal, but in Scotland most fans don't even class Spurs as a rival to Arsenal as the gap is so big. I'm sorry, but your days of being a big club are finished.

Yeah funny that becase we're 4th and they're 5th.

[QUOTE=bubomb]

Yeah funny that becase we're 4th and they're 5th.


Yeah, well done, above Arsenal for a few weeks. What a big club you are. Forget about the Champions League, forget about winning the League.....being above Arsenal for a few weeks is the highlight of Spurs last decade!!! What a huge club you are!!

[QUOTE=2005]


Yeah, well done, above Arsenal for a few weeks. What a big club you are. Forget about the Champions League, forget about winning the League.....being above Arsenal for a few weeks is the highlight of Spurs last decade!!! What a huge club you are!!
Funny how ENIC preferred to jump ship from their investment in Rankgers to concentrate on Tottenham because of all the dodgy dealings of the Rankgers chairman David Murray.

Remember the famous Murray soundbite of, "for every £5 Celtic spend we'll spend £10"? Well he may have been close to his word but
in business, as Mr Murray should really know, investment should be justified
on the basis of growth in turnover and profit.

The first real signs that things were spiralling out of Rangers' own
management hands was the sudden stepping down of David Murray as Chairman last
year. The incoming Chairman, John McLelland had the embarrassing task of
signing off the Rangers accounts which gave us an indication of just how bad
things had become.

Surprisingly though the media response to the financial position of Rangers
was low key and the "numbers" were contextualised as being of a similar order
to Celtic's which was misleading to say the least. Equally the press picked up
on the general financial state of the SPL and Scottish football rather than
home in on the specifics of Rangers. It is interesting to note that Leeds
United's financial affairs were pored over by the English media in great
detail. However the financial statements for Rangers for the same period made
for far worse reading.

So what is the true financial position of Rangers and what are the issues that
have contributed to their perilous state?

Well, in terms of big numbers which set alarm bells ringing, Rangers had
clocked up a massive level of creditors by the time last June's accounts were
published. The financial statements revealed that Rangers owed a total of £45m
in the current year with a further £48m owed after the current year. These
figures are significant in that the vast majority of these amounts are owed to
the bank, namely HBOS. Serious questions need to be asked of the HBOS bank
officials in continuing to allow Rangers to enter into further borrowings when
clearly their capacity to meet the payments on these debts were weakening
rapidly. It is strongly rumoured that in these past few weeks the banking
affairs of Rangers have been transferred directly into the hands of the HBOS
Head Office in Yorkshire. If true, this represents a much more severe and
regulated relationship than the one previously enjoyed in the Rangers
heartland of Scotland. Furthermore it signals that Rangers financial position
at best has stood still and at worst, which is the more likely case, has
resulted in an increased debt position. This will be a major cause for concern
as the European football industry goes through an economic downturn of some
order. Rangers' failure to make any headway in European football during the
period when Celtic were dealing with their own off field tribulations means
that there will have been no meaningful and sustained increase in their
turnover. Coupled with this the club has posted some ridiculously high losses
primarily on the back of entering into untenable player salaries and contracts.


The ability of Rangers to meet their short and long term financial obligations
has clearly resulted in the departure turmoil witnessed since the winning of
the domestic treble. That achievement in itself has been one of the most low
key events, largely in part due to the success of Celtic in Europe and the
frantic final day finale which saw Rangers winning the league by a single goal.


The turmoil had already started days after the league was over with Amoruso
and Caniggia both revealing unwelcome comments down Ibrox way. Amoruso
highlighted the severe financial problems experienced by Rangers, whilst
Caniggia criticised the club for failing to offer him a new contract. Both of
these outbursts finally exposed the financial position of Rangers from a
players perspective. Amoruso, although prone to unreliability, is said to have
agreed to a pay cut in order to stay but his offer was seen as falling short
the financial affairs and there is enough financial information in the public
domain from the past twelve months for financial analysts to suggest that
Rangers are very close to insolvency. Although insolvency can be managed in a
variety of ways the huge level of short and long term creditor debt, when
compared with the clubs asset base, could result in calls for compulsory
liquidation.

As there is clear evidence that a club like Spurs have a crowd potential that compares very well with the biggest clubs, he obviously had to move the goalposts.

big clubs are now measured by wealth or how much of a league´s TV income they can grab or how often they played in europe etc.

Thats fine and then yes, Juventus and Barcelona are way bigger than spurs because that way of measuring makes it impossible for any nation to have more than 2-3-4 big clubs.
Not all clubs can grab all the TV money and always be in europe.

I am just glad that Spurs claim to being big does not rest with a Juventus situation, which is disastrous to serie A.

Spurs claim to "bigness" lies with a huge number of real fans willing to pay a lot of money to follow their club and that despite that club not winning much.
Thats what I consider a big club.

There is no evidence that a club like Spurs have a crowd potential that compares very well with the biggest clubs. A newspaper claiming a million people who like Spurs ('like' - not genuinely support), or a guy on a message board claiming crowds of 225000 is not evidence of potential genuine supporters. The only real evidence so far is that Spurs can sellout a 36000 stadium each week. Probably could sell out more, but who knows? I think Spurs could average about 45000 max. Not bad, but not great.

This is getting boring now. I think I have made my opinions clear. I'm moving on, no more from me on the subject. We will have to agree to disagree. Over and out.

There is no evidence that a club like Spurs have a crowd potential that compares very well with the biggest clubs. A newspaper claiming a million people who like Spurs ('like' - not genuinely support), or a guy on a message board claiming crowds of 225000 is not evidence of potential genuine supporters. The only real evidence so far is that Spurs can sellout a 36000 stadium each week. Probably could sell out more, but who knows? I think Spurs could average about 45000 max. Not bad, but not great.

This is getting boring now. I think I have made my opinions clear. I'm moving on, no more from me on the subject. We will have to agree to disagree. Over and out.
You are an utter clown of the higehst order.
Do you not even realise what the population of Greater London is, never mind that of North London ?

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I don't like Arsenal, but in Scotland most fans don't even class Spurs as a rival to Arsenal as the gap is so big. I'm sorry, but your days of being a big club are finished.


do you class celtic as a rival to rangers then, since we are 17 points ahead of rangers ?

JimB please dont get upset by bubombs comments.

he is in a lot of pain, seeing his beloved rangers are languishing in 4th place in the scottish league.

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do you class celtic as a rival to rangers then, since we are 17 points ahead of rangers ?

Yes, because Rangers have won 13 out of the last 17 leagues and have 51 league titles to celtics 39. We are also the present Scottish Champions.

Unfortunately we can't win it every single year.


We now have celtic morons posting absolute garbage, page long garbage that nobody is going to read. On one of their celtic fan sites they decided to hijack this site. They are doing it on every single thread. We also now have posters with terrorists as their avatars -

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=44697

I have contacted the admin as I don't think any of us want to see the promotion of paramilitaries on this site. At the end of the day, it is a stadium site and any terrorist related material should not be tolerated. From now on, I'm going to totally ignore the celtic idiots who have hijacked the site as this is the best method to get rid of these parasites.

I see that the bubombic plague has infected quite a few threads.

Sorry mate, you know nothing about English football if you think all those teams have a chance of European football. How the hell are Newcastle United, Everton or Aston Villa going to get into Europe?

We were talking generally about the chances of Premiership clubs qualifying for Europe. We weren't specifically talking about this season. And generally, Villa, Newcastle and Everton fans would certainly start every season hoping to qualify for Europe. So, for the last time, the big difference between now and the years immediately after Heysel is that, from 1985-90, there was NO hope of qualifying for Europe - right from kick off on the very first day of the season. I know you're a dim-witted fellow but please, please tell me that you have finally understood the distinction. You surely can't be that obtuse?

Heysel did not effect attendances. The attendance figures for the 5 year ban and the 5 years after the ban are almost the same.

Heysel most certainly affected attendances in 1985-86 (the season in question). Apart from one or two clubs who were challenging for the league and one or two clubs who had been promoted the previous season, attendances fell at every club. The truth of the matter is that I was there at the time. You weren't. You were barely out of nappies and you were in Scotland.

You claimed Spurs v Arsenal could get a crowd of over a quater of a million. This highlighted how stupid you are and how little you know about football. You are just a daft fan who thinks his club is massive when everybody can see they are not. You have massive delusions of grandeur.

Sigh. Here we go again. One day, you will learn to read properly. I said that both Spurs and Arsenal could have sold their allocations three times over. Their allocations were about 30,000 each. I'll help you here, since you're clearly incapable: three times 30,000 is 90,000. Two times 90,000 is 180,000. You're telling me that, of the more than one million Spurs fans and more than one million Arsenal fans in the UK and of all the many tens and hundreds of thousands of fans of both clubs throughout the rest of the world, it is utterly inconceivable that 90,000 (a tiny proportion of each club's support) from each club would want to see the biggest north London derby in twenty years?

Let me remind you of the unique circumstances:

1. George Graham's all conquering Arsenal were going for the double. Had they won it, they would have become the first team ever to reach the milestone of two doubles.

2. Spurs had the dark shadow financial meltdown hanging heavily on their shoulders. The semi final wasn't just about a game. It wasn't just about a north London derby. It wasn't just about stopping Arsenal from winning the double. It was about Spurs' very survival.

3. The game was the first ever semi final to be staged at Wembley.

So yes, in the circumstances and given a hypothetical neutral stadium big enough to accomodate every fan from each club who wanted to watch the game, I think it's very possible that 180,000 would have gone.

I think you also claimed England had a good chance of winning the World Cup!!!!! You simply don't have a clue about football!!

Not true. I said that England have a chance. You simply decided to change that to good chance to suit your purposes. I'm not surprised that you feel the need to resort to such dishonesty. And if you wish to claim that England have no chance at all, then it is you who knows nothing about football. Or perhaps you were asleep throughout the summer of 2004, when the 1000/1 outsiders, Greece, won Euro 2004 against all expectations? England may be unlikely to progress beyond the quarter finals or semis at best. But I can guarantee you that our odds are considerably shorter than those for Greece before Euro 2004 started.

Spurs are a nice club with a nice little stadium. That's all they are. The big boys are in Champions League, you can't even get in the UEFA cup. Big clubs win things. Spurs stopped being a big club 25 years ago. Accept it.

I don't like Arsenal, but in Scotland most fans don't even class Spurs as a rival to Arsenal as the gap is so big. I'm sorry, but your days of being a big club are finished.

I've already conceded that Spurs have had a terrible 15-20 years. But who knows what the coming 15-20 years hold?

Certainly not you.

We were talking generally about the chances of Premiership clubs qualifying for Europe. We weren't specifically talking about this season. And generally, Villa, Newcastle and Everton fans would certainly start every season hoping to qualify for Europe. So, for the last time, the big difference between now and the years immediately after Heysel is that, from 1985-90, there was NO hope of qualifying for Europe - right from kick off on the very first day of the season. I know you're a dim-witted fellow but please, please tell me that you have finally understood the distinction. You surely can't be that obtuse?



Heysel most certainly affected attendances in 1985-86 (the season in question). Apart from one or two clubs who were challenging for the league and one or two clubs who had been promoted the previous season, attendances fell at every club. The truth of the matter is that I was there at the time. You weren't. You were barely out of nappies and you were in Scotland.



Sigh. Here we go again. One day, you will learn to read properly. I said that both Spurs and Arsenal could have sold their allocations three times over. Their allocations were about 30,000 each. I'll help you here, since you're clearly incapable: three times 30,000 is 90,000. Two times 90,000 is 180,000. You're telling me that, of the more than one million Spurs fans and more than one million Arsenal fans in the UK and of all the many tens and hundreds of thousands of fans of both clubs throughout the rest of the world, it is utterly inconceivable that 90,000 (a tiny proportion of each club's support) from each club would want to see the biggest north London derby in twenty years?

Let me remind you of the unique circumstances:

1. George Graham's all conquering Arsenal were going for the double. Had they won it, they would have become the first team ever to reach the milestone of two doubles.

2. Spurs had the dark shadow financial meltdown hanging heavily on their shoulders. The semi final wasn't just about a game. It wasn't just about a north London derby. It wasn't just about stopping Arsenal from winning the double. It was about Spurs' very survival.

3. The game was the first ever semi final to be staged at Wembley.

So yes, in the circumstances and given a hypothetical neutral stadium big enough to accomodate every fan from each club who wanted to watch the game, I think it's very possible that 180,000 would have gone.



Not true. I said that England have a chance. You simply decided to change that to good chance to suit your purposes. I'm not surprised that you feel the need to resort to such dishonesty. And if you wish to claim that England have no chance at all, then it is you who knows nothing about football. Or perhaps you were asleep throughout the summer of 2004, when the 1000/1 outsiders, Greece, won Euro 2004 against all expectations? England may be unlikely to progress beyond the quarter finals or semis at best. But I can guarantee you that our odds are considerably shorter than those for Greece before Euro 2004 started.



I've already conceded that Spurs have had a terrible 15-20 years. But who knows what the coming 15-20 years hold?

Certainly not you.

Listen mate, i'm a betting man and I could have told you that at the start of the season Newcastle United, Everton and Aston Villa had no hope of European football. As I said (and you ignored), the attendances during the 5 years ban and the 5 years after the ban did not change much. They stayed roughly the same, proving that the European ban did not affect attendances. Look at the Championship - no hope of European football there but still record crowds. What kind of supporter doesn't turn up to the game simply becasue his club can't get into Europe? Did you not turn up because Spurs couldn't get into Europe? Of course not. You go to game whether you can get into Europe or not. Rangers were banned from Europe after we won the Cup Winners Cup, but not one supporter would of not gone to Ibrox because of this. Europe or no Europe, your club is still your club.

I don't know how much you know about football, but It doesn't sound like much. Chelsea will win the league this year as I predicted in July, and will win the league next year and the year after that. England will not win the World Cup either and Spurs will not win the league in the next 15 years. I am 100% confident of these predictions. As my predictions come true, I will refer you back to this post. I know my football - do you? Greece was a one off, the odds of something like that happening again are tiny and it will probably not happen for at least another 50 years.

I should also add that I clearly remember coming home from school and watching Heysel unfold live on TV. I was annoyed as I was looking forward to Liverpool v Juventus and was annoyed by the long delay. I didn't know at this point that people had died and simply wanted the game to get underway. I was 10 years old and regularly went to Ibrox with my friends at this age. It was the normal thing to do at this age in Glasgow.

I didn't even read most your post as the subject is now boring and we are simply repeating ourselves. Why can't you simply agree to disagree?

It's not that they can't be bothered, they physically can't go as they live hundreds of miles away. If you have a wife and kids then you cannot bugger off every weekend on a journey of hundreds of miles. You would be gone for the whole weekend. This is asking a bit much. This is why all clubs have a much smaller away support compared to their home support (apart from Juventus for reasons explained). These supporters are still very valuable to Juventus as the money they give to the club and their interest in the club makes Juventus the 2nd biggest club in the world.

Last I heard, Juve were a club from Turin. They have always been a club from Turin. Right from the very first day that they played football, Turin was their home city. All those Juve "fans" (my heart bleeds for them) who live in the south of Italy, but who decided to support Juve because of their success, either need a geography lesson or they should have supported their local club. We're not talking MK Dons here. Juve didn't suddenly up sticks from southern Italy and move to Turin. If these poor souls (I weep for them) can't get to home games, then they have no one but themselves to blame and they are nothing more than gloryhunters.

And Turin has a metropolitan population of, what, two or three or four million? Frankly, it's very lame to excuse Juve's pathetic crowds by saying that all their supporters live far away. If Juve were as big as you claim they are, then they would have millions of fans in the north of Italy as well.

Contrast Juve with Man Utd. Manchester is often described as belonging to Manchester City. And yet Man Utd have millions of local fans. Furthermore, they also have a vast army of fans who live just as far away from Manchester as Juve's southern Italian fans from Turin. These Utd fans make the sacrifices that you say those Juve fans (bless their little, cotton socks) can't make.

Face it. You're just making excuses for a bunch of gloryhunters.

Do you not understand? 90% of genuine Spurs supporters live in London and can easily go to home games, 90% of genuine Juventus supporters live hundreds of miles away and so cannot go to home games, and instead go to away games when Juventus are playing within a reasonable distance (Juventus always sell out their away allocation).

I would say that no more than 50% of those who attend games at WHL these days live in London. The other 50% come from all over the south east; from the south and west and north; from Wales; from Ireland (north and south); from Scandinavia; from the rest of continental Europe; from Korea. I know of some Spurs fans who fly from Scotland for every home game. I even know of one fan who flies from the USA for nearly every home game. So sorry. I don't accept the excuses that you make for Juve fans.

Listen mate, i'm a betting man and I could have told you that at the start of the season Newcastle United, Everton and Aston Villa had no hope of European football. As I said (and you ignored), the attendances during the 5 years ban and the 5 years after the ban did not change much. They stayed roughly the same, proving that the European ban did not affect attendances. Look at the Championship - no hope of European football there but still record crowds. What kind of fan doesn't turn up to the game simply becasue his club can't get into Europe? Did you not turn up becasue Spurs couldn't get into Europe? You go to game whether you are in Europe or not.

I don't know how much you know about football, but It doesn't sound like much. Chelsea will win the league this year as I predicted in July, and will win the league next year and the year after that. England will not win the World Cup either and Spurs will not win the league in the next 15 years. I am 100% confident of these predictions. As my predictions come true, I will refer you back to this post. I know my football - do you? Greece was a one off, the odds of something like that happening again are tiny and it will probably not happen for at least another 50 years.

I should also add that I clearly remember coming home from school and watching Heysel unfold live on TV. I was annoyed as I was looking forward to Liverpool v Juventus and was annoyed by the long delay. I didn't know at this point that people had died and simply wanted the game to get underway. I was 10 years old and regularly went to Ibrox with my friends at this age. It was the normal thing to do at this age in Glasgow.

I didn't even read most your post as the subject is now boring and we are simply repeating ourselves. Why can't you simply agree to disagree?
Nobod seems to take this bubonic plague seriously. Not surprising really that he supports such a crumbling institution like the one that will always be 2nd.
The following is a list of things which they claim to boycott. It is very sick but it will give you an insight into the tiny mind of the bubombic plague.
Hun Boycott list

Aer Lingus - ******, Paddy, Catholic Airline which plays IRA bands on the inflight tannoy system. IRA money-launderers. See Channel 4.

Aidan McGeady - a Scot who decided to declare for Ireland, even though the we hate the Scottish team anyway

Allied Irish Banks - Provo sympathisers and IRA money launderers - See Guinness.

Asda - They didn't fly the England flag during the World Cup. Anti-British, unpatriotic traiterous basturts - hanging's too good for them.

Bagpipes - Jacobite symbol and therefore Papish. Only one step removed from IRA fundrasing. Gaelic, Catholic conspirators.

Bargain Books - Bargain Books in Braehead !!! Blatantly displaying 10 Men Dead for sale, along with the Tim Pat Coogan IRA History !!!

Barry Ferguson - Traiterous, treacherous bassa. Married to a ******. Turned his back on The Sons Of William.

BBC - They stopped playing God Save The Queen every night at the end of transmission.

Billy Connolly - Green beard ? 'Nuff said. ****** sympathiser. Opened the new Stand at Septic Park. Probably gives money to the IRA. No' funny anyway !!

Boiled tatties- they have to be chips or mash. Only timmy eats boiled tatties

Camcorders - We must not forget our Worshipful Brother, now sadly departed - QC Donald Findlay. All camcorder users are undercover hacks. Gie them a good batterin' - just in case !

Cash for Kids (Radio Clyde Xmas Charity) - See Radio Clyde.

Channel 4 - Employ too many ****s fae Oireland. IRA sympathisers. Too many programmes aboot they Birmingham bommirz an aw therr Paddy Mick sympathisers. Channel 5 for me !

Children in Need - See Comic Relief.

CIS Insurance - They provide insurance cover for Henrik Martian, and some of the other ****s. Strangle them. Ah use 'Churchill' - Churchill god bless him – the last white man to be named Winston !!

Clover Butter - Saw an advert for Clover butter the other night and they are using that provoluvvin song Wild Rover, straight to the top of the FF list I'd say

Coca Cola - Gave £5k to Sinn Fein – or some other ****** group ?!

Comic Relief - Gave 5m to a Belfast organisation that may or may not be helping people who may or may not be connected with Sinn Fein. Better boycott is just to be sure.

Coronation Street - Twice they played 'The Fields Of Athenry' on their St Patrick's Day programme, with Karen McDonald saying "This is a top tune !".

Daily Record - Blatant anti-Ranjers bias. Never trust a fekkin' hack !

Darren Clarke - He has just draped himself in that Rhebel Rag, a Disgrace to his People
David Bowie - said something that sounded a bit like a muffled 'chukky arla'. Looks like a poof anyway, so can't be a Proddy. Wan o his eyes is green an' aw !!

Derek Johnstone - Uncle Tom. House ****. Another ex-bear who now bites the hand that fed him. Is he in your Ludge ?? - If so, have a word with your GM. Blackball the fat one !

Dermot Desmond - must be a high profile member of the IRA security council seeing that he is a shareholder in Celtic and is Irish.

Duffer Of St George - They made Ireland World Cup shirts. ****** money-laundering, terrorist, bomb-making, gun-runners. See O'Briens.

Eddie Irvine see Dermot Desmond

EA Sports - They have Martin O'Squeel on the front of their new football game. More ****** conspirators - not happy with taking over the world they want to pollute cyberspace as well

FIFA - Fekkin Irish ****** Association. Gave an award tae aw thame Dole-ite, scroungin' ****** hooligans.

George Lucas / Star Wars - Anyone fighting for a Republic against an Empire deserves to die. Another closet American, ******, Paddy conspirator.

Girls Aloud - Nadine Coyle is a Tim. Always thought she was the ugliest of the lot - prefer the ginger one myself. Spice Girls were better anyway - wee Gerri always wore the colours !! Rule Brittania ! WATP.

Glasgow City Council - Taig councillors and a ****** Lord Provost. Need I say more ? Maist o thame watch the mhankies. Payin' yir Poll Tax buys Septic Season Tickets fur they basturts !

Graham Norton - Gay. Irish. Need I say more ? Probably a closet paedo, priest, terrorist, gun-runner ?!!

Guinness - See Duffer Of St George & Next. Don't pay for Irish bombs !! Same goes fur that Murphy's ****e an' aw ! Buy a good Proddy beer like Skol, or, McEwans Lager or somethin' !

Islam / Hinduism / Sikhism - All of them [and I mean every single goddam last one of them] is hell bent on destroying the peace loving nation of Isreal. Always trying to hurt that nice fella Sharon - bloody nice bloke.

ITV - See STV. Too many ****** lovin' Pakkies for me !

JRR Tolkien - All we ever hear about are Orcs. Bassa. ****** conspirator to make us look bad. WATP w**k.

Madonna – has recorded the Fields of Athenrye

Mark Hateley - Uncle Tom. House ****** who stabs the Sons Of William in the back every week. A disgrace to The Cross Of St George. Think he played in Papist Italy, did he not ? Explains a lot.

McDonalds - They sponsor the Family Section at Septic Park. More contributions for the terrorists. Buying burgers buys guns !! Burger King are more royal anyway !

Next - Owned by a dirty Taig - another dead-cert IRA contributor. Buying suits buys detonators and fertiliser.

Nicky Campbell - ........................on Radio 5 Live this morning Nicky was talking about all the lovely old buildings in Athens. He described an old ruin and stated that

"That was one was built the last time Rangers done anything in Europe"
North Lanarkshire Council - Bent ****** Taigs. Every last one of them.

Nuno Capucho - a basturtin' Taig, ****** who only came to The Gers tae try an' make us look daft. A Papist conspirator who tried to demolish us fae the inside - but Big Eck saw through him. No Surrender ya ****** Portuguese monkey. We saw through that wee ****** Arteta an' aw.

The NYPD - Some of them once played in a pipe band that welcomed Gerry Adams to New York. They therefore deserved to die in 9/11.

O'Briens Sandwich Shops - Irish sounding and therefore a dead-cert to be a major IRA contributor. Buying sandwiches buys bombs. Save yir cash and go to Greggs – nice blue and white shop with a good proddy sounding name.

O'Neills - "Irish" chain store pubs for the terrorists to plot in - See Guinness.

Persil - Irish Actors and hooped jerseys in their adverts. Subliminal ****** advertising, trying to corrupt our Protestant country.

Radio Clyde - They employ Tims. They also employs ex-Rangers players but these can be filed under 'U' for Uncle Tom.

Radio Scotland - They employ James Traynor who is sometimes less than complimentary towards the Sons Of William on his phone-in show. Shut yir ears tae thurr anti-Rangers pish. Five Live for me !!!

Richard Jobson's film - 16 Years of Alcohol - features The Fields of Athenry within the first five minutes. It stars Kevin McKidd as the central character.

From this, we can add not only this film, but the Skids, the film Trainspotting, and the entire works of Irvine Welsh (he's a well-known papish Rangers-hater anyway) to the boycott list.

Ryanair - Irish run Taig company. Only a matter of time before they start charging "proddies" more than "kaffliks"......

Ryder Cup - Fields of Athenrye, YNWA,
Is nothing sacred from Timmy and his songs??

Safeway - Their Papist staff wore sombreros on UEFA Cup Final in Seville day.

Santa Claus - Sordid Papist. Auld ****** poof !!

Scotland - The epicentre of the worldwide Taig / Provo / Anti-Protestant conspiracy. All echelons of society are now infilatrated.

Setanta – Micky, ******, Dubliner, Provo propagandists who pollute the airwaves from Oireland. Goes without saying where your money goes when you subscribe to these terrorists. Watch the highlights on ITV instead.

Simple Minds - Taigs and Provos. See U2. What else do they hide in those big lorries ? Guns an' bombs - nae doubt aboot it !!!

'Singing in the Rain' - Gene Kelly gave 30 grand to the Stickies [Official IRA] Hope the auld Tarrier got fekkin' soaked !!

South Lanarkshire Council - See North Lanarkshire Council.

St 'Anybody' - Papist, ****** bassas. See Santa Claus.

Strathclyde Police - Discriminate against Prods just enjoying a drink and some traditional music at The walk. Never arrest the ******s though. ****s - boot the c***ts oot the ludge, ah say !! No Surrender ya mhanky polis' basturts !!

STV - Thrust 'The Bhoys From Seville' programme down the throats of a good Protestant country.

Texas - Charlene ? Is that no a Taig name ? Look like ****s. Boycott them jist in case

Travis - May or may not be Taigs. Better boycott just to be on the safe side. Look like ******s anyway !

The Bank of Scotland - Threatnin' tae pull the plug oan the Gerz. Shut doon aw yir accounts wae them - feckin hoormaisturz !!

The Church of England - Wrong type of Proddy. Probably merried tae ****s or summit !!

The City of New York - Full of tin rattlers, bead-rattlers, Italians, Oirish, IRA fund-raisers & sympathisers. Home to Martin Galvin, Noraid & Coca Cola. 9/11 was just god's way of paying them back. Probably good Proddy Arabs that done them in !! Allah wiz a Brother !!

The Conservative Party - Not True Blue enough these days. Bring back Maggie - she'd deal with the ******s and the blacks, and the scroungers, and the asylum-seekers, and the terrorists, and the homeless, and the criminals.
The Country of Ireland - The root of all evil. Sordid, Papist, terrorist loving scum - every last one of them. Except the Shankill of course.

The Country of Italy - Papists.

The Country of France - Papish.

The Country of Poland - Birthplace of the Anti-Christ.

The Country of Spain - Papish.

The Evening Times - They employ Tims.

The Guardian - Leftist, Pinko etc, and employ that ****** ****-licker that does the online commentary for Radio Snyde [Peter Martin] Also the references to Ibrox as Mordor, Castle Greyskull etc. No Surrender ya ****** monkeys !!

The Herald - They employ Graham Spiers. A closet Tim, who questions the genius of Lord Murray

The Labour Party - Full of ******s, Republicans and assorted ne'er do wells, and Republican sympathisers.

The Liberal Democrats - HA HA HA HA HA. Lefty Papist Provo wannabes.

The NYFD - See NYPD

The NYPD - Some of them once played in a pipe band that welcomed Gerry Adams to New York. They therefore deserved to die in 9/11.

The Roman Catholic Church - Run by the devil. Administered by Peado's. Blindly followed by ****s, Provos, Taigs, Councillors, and Cannibals. Be afraid brothers, be very afraid !!!

The SNP - 'Nationalist' ? Isn't Gerry Adams one of them ? Must be linked then. Mair ****** chookters !!

The Scotsman - See Evening Times. The Sports Editor [Martin Hannan] is 'wan o them'.

The Scottish Parliament - Employs Taigs and gies free hooses tae the Pakkies, and the Paddies. See Scottish Socialist Party.

The Scottish Socialist Party - Rosie Kane & Tommy Sheridan - ****** *** sympathisers.Always trying tae get the blacks and the queue-jumpers new c**ncil hooses before the Proddies. No surrender tae the Pakkie ******s !

The Sun - Can't think for a minute why - but ban the basturts anyway. Too fekkin gobby.

UEFA - Ugly Effin ****** Assosciation. See FIFA and aw they Dole-ite, scroungin' hooligan ******s that they gave an award tae. Probably somethin' tae dae wae that baldy wee Pope basturt - a fekkin' inside job, that's whit it wuz !!

U2 - Taigs and Provos. See Allied Irish Bank. What else do they smuggle in those big crates, eh ??! 'Sunday Bloody Sunday' - This song is not a rebel song. Whit the fekk is it then, a fekkin' nursery rhyme ?!!!! No Surrender ya basturts !!

JimB please dont get upset by bubombs comments.

he is in a lot of pain, seeing his beloved rangers are languishing in 4th place in the scottish league.

Oh, don't worry, mate.

I'm not upset.

I actually find him rather an amusing, little diversion. Every so often when someone like bubomb rears his head, it reminds me how inferior people like him are!

Oh, don't worry, mate.

I'm not upset.

I actually find him rather an amusing, little diversion. Every so often when someone like bubomb rears his head, it reminds me how inferior people like him are!

You're getting desperate if you are having to tag team with that moron. As for 'inferior' - get a grip mate and grow up.

Last I heard, Juve were a club from Turin. They have always been a club from Turin. Right from the very first day that they played football, Turin was their home city. All those Juve "fans" (my heart bleeds for them) who live in the south of Italy, but who decided to support Juve because of their success, either need a geography lesson or they should have supported their local club. We're not talking MK Dons here. Juve didn't suddenly up sticks from southern Italy and move to Turin. If these poor souls (I weep for them) can't get to home games, then they have no one but themselves to blame and they are nothing more than gloryhunters.

And Turin has a metropolitan population of, what, two or three or four million? Frankly, it's very lame to excuse Juve's pathetic crowds by saying that all their supporters live far away. If Juve were as big as you claim they are, then they would have millions of fans in the north of Italy as well.

Contrast Juve with Man Utd. Manchester is often described as belonging to Manchester City. And yet Man Utd have millions of local fans. Furthermore, they also have a vast army of fans who live just as far away from Manchester as Juve's southern Italian fans from Turin. These Utd fans make the sacrifices that you say those Juve fans (bless their little, cotton socks) can't make.

Face it. You're just making excuses for a bunch of gloryhunters.



I would say that no more than 50% of those who attend games at WHL these days live in London. The other 50% come from all over the south east; from the south and west and north; from Wales; from Ireland (north and south); from Scandinavia; from the rest of continental Europe; from Korea. I know of some Spurs fans who fly from Scotland for every home game. I even know of one fan who flies from the USA for nearly every home game. So sorry. I don't accept the excuses that you make for Juve fans.

More rubbish. You simply don't understand Juventus. If they were gloryhunters then why would they go to away games regardless of how Juventus are playing? If they were gloryhunters then why would they pour money into Juventus regardless of how Juventus are playing? Juventus are not a Turin club - Juventus IS Italy - that's why they are the 2nd biggest club in the world!. Please read the link. Juventus are a club with very unique circumstances. Why would I make excuses for them? I don't support them.

http://bianconeri.tripod.com/fans2.html

50% of Spurs fans come from outside London? - utter mince. How the hell would you know anyway? Did you ask all 33000? Every club has the odd fan who flys in from abroad, but that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority live in the city where there club plays (apart from Juventus, for reasons explained). Why would anybody outside London support Spurs? they're crap!!

I know it must be hard living in Arsenals massive shadow, but please, try to remain dignified!!

This is my final post on this now very boring subject, we are just repeating ourselves.

[QUOTE]Listen mate, i'm a betting man and I could have told you that at the start of the season Newcastle United, Everton and Aston Villa had no hope of European football.

Yet again, you misunderstand the essence of an argument (a bad habit you should really address). Firstly, I repeat, we're not just talking about this season. Secondly, it's not a question of what a betting man thinks. We're talking about what fans think and what would encourage them to go to games. And, at the beginning of each season, the fans of the clubs mentioned would certainly hope to make a decent stab at European qualification. Perhaps a neutral might smile at their optimism but that's the nature of being a fan.

As I said (and you ignored), the attendances during the 5 years ban and the 5 years after the ban did not change much. They stayed roughly the same, proving that the European ban did not affect attendances.

And as I said, I am only talking about the one season immediately after Heysel. And in that season, attendances did fall at most 1st division clubs. Look it up. Attendances recovered the year after that, as English fans came to terms with their new reality.

Look at the Championship - no hope of European football there but still record crowds.

Duh! Ever heard of something called promotion? Or the Play Offs?


What kind of supporter doesn't turn up to the game simply becasue his club can't get into Europe? Did you not turn up because Spurs couldn't get into Europe? Of course not.

Good question. I don't know the answer. I'm not one of those fans. But the fact remains that many fans, who normally went to games throughout the 80's, didn't go in 1985-86. If you can think of a better reason for the sudden fall in attendances at most grounds during that season, then please enlighten us.

Greece was a one off, the odds of something like that happening again are tiny and it will probably not happen for at least another 50 years.

You're probably right. But I only said that England had a chance of winning the World Cup. Not a good chance. Just a chance. We have one of the best ten teams in the world. We have qualified for the World Cup. And, until we are knocked out, we still have a chance of winning it. Only an imbecile would disagree with that assessment. For the simple reason that it is the undeniable truth.

I didn't even read most your post as the subject is now boring and we are simply repeating ourselves. Why can't you simply agree to disagree?

I am quite prepared to agree that you are talking out of your arse and arguing purely for the sake of argument. So let's leave it at that, shall we?

More rubbish. You simply don't understand Juventus. If they were gloryhunters then why would they go to away games regardless of how Juventus are playing? If they were gloryhunters then why would they pour money into Juventus regardless of how Juventus are playing? Juventus are not a Turin club - Juventus IS Italy - that's why they are the 2nd biggest club in the world!

So Juve have no fans in the north of Italy, in and around Turin? If Juve can sell out the San Siro in Milan, then those same fans have no excuse for not going to games in Turin, which isn't so very far away from Milan.

Sorry, your excuses won't wash. Part time fans.

50% of Spurs fans come from outside London? - utter mince. How the hell would you know anyway? Did you ask all 33000? Every club has the odd fan who flys in from abroad, but that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority live in the city where there club plays (apart from Juventus, for reasons explained).

How the hell would you know that they don't?

Huge numbers of Spurs fans live all over the south east, outside London - particularly in Essex and Hertfordshire. I think I'm in more than a slightly better position to know what I'm talking about than you. I wouldn't presume to tell you the demographic make up of Rangers' support.

[QUOTE=bubomb]

Yet again, you misunderstand the essence of an argument (a bad habit you should really address). Firstly, I repeat, we're not just talking about this season. Secondly, it's not a question of what a betting man thinks. We're talking about what fans think and what would encourage them to go to games. And, at the beginning of each season, the fans of the clubs mentioned would certainly hope to make a decent stab at European qualification. Perhaps a neutral might smile at their optimism but that's the nature of being a fan.



And as I said, I am only talking about the one season immediately after Heysel. And in that season, attendances did fall at most 1st division clubs. Look it up. Attendances recovered the year after that, as English fans came to terms with their new reality.



Duh! Ever heard of something called promotion? Or the Play Offs?




Good question. I don't know the answer. I'm not one of those fans. But the fact remains that many fans, who normally went to games throughout the 80's, didn't go in 1985-86. If you can think of a better reason for the sudden fall in attendances at most grounds during that season, then please enlighten us.



You're probably right. But I only said that England had a chance of winning the World Cup. Not a good chance. Just a chance. We have one of the best ten teams in the world. We have qualified for the World Cup. And, until we are knocked out, we still have a chance of winning it. Only an imbecile would disagree with that assessment. For the simple reason that it is the undeniable truth.



I am quite prepared to agree that you are talking out of your arse and arguing purely for the sake of argument. So let's leave it at that, shall we?

What an arrogant twat you are - You are such a twat that I now want Arsenal to continue to pump Spurs. Well done - you just made another person want Arsenal to thrash Spurs!!

I have bad news and good news. Bad new is for the Liverpool fans I have a ticket for the game at weekend. The good news for United fans is every game I have been to this season, United have scored 3 or more goals. They include teams like Wigan and Bolton and they arnt easy teams to beat.

[QUOTE=JimB]

What an arrogant twat you are - You are such a twat that I now want Arsenal to continue to pump Spurs. Well done - you just made another person want Arsenal to thrash Spurs!!


And you have made two people want to support Celtic and want Rangers finish 4th :|

[QUOTE=bubomb]


And you have made two people want to support Celtic and want Rangers finish 4th :|


Any Londoner supporting celtic must be off his head when you consider what irish republican terrorist groups have done to London. Only last week 2 celtic players were caught on video at an IRA party!! It was big news in Scotland. The party was held in the Clanree Hotel in Letterkenny, which is owned by an IRA terrorist. It is often used for IRA fund raising events. Hartson and Pearson are the 2 players involved. celtic director Brian Quinn was also present (at 14 seconds you can clearly see Stephen Pearson, on the far right, shout IRA). celtic have confirmed that the 2 players were present at this party and that the 2 players are the ones in the video, but celtic deny they took part in sectarian chanting. Make up your own mind -


http://www.zippyvideos.com/8119373393024966/movie/

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http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=354350&cc=5739

http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/060106/4/g0rk.html


Innocent children burnt to death by IRA attack on a hotel owned by a Protestant -

http://tinypic.com/jr4cv8.jpg

Workmen in their minibus who were slaughtered by the IRA simply for being Protestant -

http://www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk/kingsmill.htm

WW2/WW1 veterans slaughtered by the IRA whilst attending a memorial service honouring their fallen comrades from WW2/WW1 -

http://www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk/enniskillen.htm

[QUOTE=2005]


Any Londoner supporting celtic must be off his head when you consider what irish republican terrorist groups have done to London. Only last week 2 celtic players were caught on video at an IRA party!! It was big news in Scotland. The party was held in the Clanree Hotel in Letterkenny, which is owned by an IRA terrorist. It is often used for IRA fund raising events. Hartson and Pearson are the 2 players involved. celtic director Brian Quinn was also present (at 14 seconds you can clearly see Stephen Pearson, on the far right, shout IRA). celtic have confirmed that the 2 players were present at this party and that the 2 players are the ones in the video, but celtic deny they took part in sectarian chanting. Make up your own mind -


http://www.zippyvideos.com/8119373393024966/movie/

http://tinypic.com/jq0w21.jpg

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=354350&cc=5739

http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/060106/4/g0rk.html


Innocent children burnt to death by IRA attack on a hotel owned by a Protestant -

http://tinypic.com/jr4cv8.jpg

Workmen in their minibus who were slaughtered by the IRA simply for being Protestant -

http://www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk/kingsmill.htm

WW2/WW1 veterans slaughtered by the IRA whilst attending a memorial service honouring their fallen comrades from WW2/WW1 -

http://www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk/enniskillen.htm

I know what you are saying why did you think I put the :| basically what I was implying is what you said is childish that is all. Anyway please whatever you do, do not bring up the IRA I have bad feeling that someone will read that and there willl be a political arguement.

[QUOTE=bubomb]I know what you are saying why did you think I put the :| basically what I was implying is what you said is childish that is all. Anyway please whatever you do, do not bring up the IRA I have bad feeling that someone will read that and there willl be a political arguement.


I agree with you. I don't want a pointless argument about politics with anybody, so i'll stay clear of politics. We won't finish 4th, but we might not get 2nd!!!! Realistically are league aim is 2nd as this would get us in the Champions League. 3rd would be the rubbish UEFA cup. Well done to Hearts this year as they totally deserve to be above us.


Or maybe we will do a Liverpool and win the Champions League!! :nuts: :nuts: :nuts:

Tottenham have unveiled the new badge and I like it :)

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/article.asp?hlid=355069

Tottenham have unveiled the new badge and I like it :)

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/article.asp?hlid=355069

I always said WHL was full of cocks ;)

I don't have a link.

But this was in an article on Eurposport.fr 3/4 days ago.


Stadium Filling % in Europe.

Italy: 55%
Spain : 74%
France: 74%
Germany: 84%
England: 95%


Make of that what you will.


Germany have built their stadiums too big prehaps?

I'd say Germany have it about right.

English football is squeezing the fans and due to the problems getting hold of tickets etc. a generation or more will leave the game. This won't be felt straight away but look at the demographics of football crowds, particulary the clubs who sell out week in week out - males aged 30-45 in the main.

There's no slack, no room for kids, gangs of lads etc.

No other commercial operation would operate, flat out, full time at 95% capacity, once you go above 80% you expand or ultimately you'll expire or be taken over as you'll end up disapointing your regular patrons while leaving a space in the market for your competitors.

A special big cherrio to all the Spurs fans from all the Fulham supporters.

Thanks for coming! :cheers:

I'd say Germany have it about right.

English football is squeezing the fans and due to the problems getting hold of tickets etc. a generation or more will leave the game. This won't be felt straight away but look at the demographics of football crowds, particulary the clubs who sell out week in week out - males aged 30-45 in the main.

There's no slack, no room for kids, gangs of lads etc.

No other commercial operation would operate, flat out, full time at 95% capacity, once you go above 80% you expand or ultimately you'll expire or be taken over as you'll end up disapointing your regular patrons while leaving a space in the market for your competitors.

One advanmatge of this is I'd guess is that it counters the media bias to the prem as people end up supporting smaller local clubs they can actually hope to see. I know many people who have a prem "favorite" and also a smaller club they actually go to watch relaviely regularly.

I'm not really convinced by the argument that clubs are limating supply to keep prices high as when they build new stadiums they are almost always much larger than the old ones. To get digustingly economic I'd say prices have risen because the middle class market has increased while the overall market for any club will still be limated to a group with very high brand loyalty.

While teens and tweenty somethings without much income have definately been squeezed out of the game I'd disagree about kids as I see far more families at Palace now than I did 15 years ago.

A special big cherrio to all the Spurs fans from all the Fulham supporters.

Thanks for coming! :cheers:

I think Fulham have got a fantastic home record 8 wins still after watching the game I wasn't happy with the way Rasiak played he was truly awful and that fvcking CVNT Helderson deserves the round of applause of the week for doing his mission "wind up Dawson as much as you can so he gets sent off" apart from that I was impressed by Fullham it has become a bit of a fortress Craven Cottage. It was annoying not having Mido, Davids, Lee and Lonnon getting injured but we signed Murphy I think he is a good player shame to see Brown go but I wish him the best of luck at Fulham.

Team from São Paulo Brazil, created by Italians who migrate to SP. They decide to make an homenage for the two teams of turin: Torino (with the color) and Juventus with the name. This is the very and old traditional stadium of São Paulo. Estádio da Javari

Nome Oficial: Estádio Conde Rodolfo Crespi

Capacidade: 9.000

Inauguração: 11/11/1929

Proprietário: Clube Atlético Juventus

Dimensões: 105m x 69,30m


http://www.templosdofutebol.com.br/templosdofutebol/images/estadios/americasul/brasil/saopaulo/saopaulo/ruajavari/principal.jpg

nice...

The colour is because the Italians that founded the club was from Firenze this is the version that e have heard every.

OK I'll start.

I fucking hate Tottenham, they are useless and are forever bound for mid-table mediocrity.

How was that?


They're now London's second best club and getting better all the time.

I don't have a link.

But this was in an article on Eurposport.fr 3/4 days ago.


Stadium Filling % in Europe.

Italy: 55%
Spain : 74%
France: 74%
Germany: 84%
England: 95%


Make of that what you will.


Germany have built their stadiums too big prehaps?

Scotland is 83%, although obviously smaller stadiums are easier to fill.

Man united? - YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
tottenham? - YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
Chelsea 1-2 - YYYYYYYYEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Liverpool 0-1 - YAY.- Sorry, I couldn't help GWWOOLLL when lisou scored!
Rangers 2-2 - YAY.


MADRID 0 - 1 Arsenal. :cloudnine:

Henry 50.

A draw or better for us at Highbury will see us through.

I hope Real Madrid pass to next round. Maybe 0-2 in Highbury :)

I hope Real Madrid pass to next round. Maybe 0-2 in Highbury :)

Maybe, but my friend you do realise that they are going to be playing on a very tight pitch, vulnerable to any counter attacks; such teams usually are taken to peices at Highbury, that's the moto of success of a northern team, play eleven men behind the ball when you come to our place. Teams who score against Arsenal in an attacking game usually concede more.

Like I said, Madrids attacking game will lay it all open for Arsenal, Theirry and RVP. All we need is a draw and we win regardless of the score.

Obviously Arsenal are firm favourites, but I wouldn't say it is totally over. I would say 85/15 in Arsenals favour.

Maybe, but my friend you do realise that they are going to be playing on a very tight pitch, vulnerable to any counter attacks; such teams usually are taken to peices at Highbury, that's the moto of success of a northern team, play eleven men behind the ball when you come to our place. Teams who score against Arsenal in an attacking game usually concede more.

Like I said, Madrids attacking game will lay it all open for Arsenal, Theirry and RVP. All we need is a draw and we win regardless of the score.
Like Arsenal did against United last season when we won 4-2?

Like Arsenal did against United last season when we won 4-2?

Still doesn't take away the fact that you had luck on your side that day and normally that kind of tactic wins on the day.

Like Arsenal did against United last season when we won 4-2?

How did your lot get along then? (this week in europe)

Like Arsenal did against United last season when we won 4-2?

Man Utd also outmuscled Arsenal though and I can't see Real doing that.

Theirry Henry = £70 Million - if he signs new deal.
Cesc Fabregas = £20 Million.
Kolo Toure = £15 Million.
RVP = £15 Million.

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Metrodome, football, baseball.

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/nfc/metro850.jpg

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/nfc/metromain2.jpg

iz Comerica Park da tackiest stadium ya gots ever seen in yo' life muh ma fuckin l0rrrrrd!!!

only in da usofa

Target Center- basketball

http://users.california.com/~csuppes/NBA/MinnesotaTimberWolves/front.jpg

Xcel Energy Center- The greatest hockey arena in the world.

http://www.phototour.minneapolis.mn.us/pics/1965.jpg

EDIT - double post

iz Comerica Park da tackiest stadium ya gots ever seen in yo' life muh ma fuckin l0rrrrrd!!!

only in da usofa

no it isn't at all, It's actually a good, stylish stadium,

now fuck off or else "i iz gonna do a drive-byz on yo' pimpin' ass mutherfucker word life innit dawg'

The 2 main stadiums and 2 main arena's of melbourne. There are plenty more, but I think Melbourne has already been covered, and these are the best 4.
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http://www.thesundaymail.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5108949,00.jpg
the MCG (Melbourne cricket ground) - 100,000 - Cricket, Australian football, Soccer, Rugby Union, International rules football. Has staged the olympics and the commonwealth games, and has the world record crowd for baseball.
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http://www.gurnard.us/gallery/050417/1280/TelstraDome-3CorrectedCropped-1280.jpg
http://www.cricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/54100/54124.jpg
Telstra Dome - 56,000 - Aussie Football, Cricket, Rugby Union, Rugby League, Soccer, Boxing, Wrestling and much more. Retractable roof AND retractable seating.
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http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/01/27/tennis1_gallery__550x360.jpg
Rod Laver Arena - 16,000 - Tennis, Basketball, Swimming, Supercross, Gymnastics. Centre court for the Australian Open, hosted the most recent gymnastics world champs, will host next years swimming world champs. Retractable roof.
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2002/feb02/austral/VodafoneArenaAustral.jpg
http://www.world-discovery.de/Bilder/Australian%20Open/ales06.jpg
Vodafone Arena - 10500 - Cycling, Tennis, Basketball, Netball, Boxing. Court #2 for the Aus open. Hosted last years world cycling championships. Retractable roof, and moveable/raiseable lower tier seating.

Adding to the post on the first page, London has within the city limits:

Wembley - 90,000 (under construction)

Twickenham - 82,000 (south stand under construction)

Emirates - 60,000 (under construction)

Stamford Bridge - 42,449

Highbury - 38,500

White Hart Lane - 36,254

Boleyn Ground/Upton Park - 35,647

Lords Cricket Ground - 28,000

The Valley - 27,111

Selhurt Park - 26,309

O2 Arena - 23,000 (under construction)

Craven Cottage - 22,000

The New Den - 20,146

Aquatics Centre for Olympics - 20,000 (under construction)

Loftus Road - 19,105

Brit Oval Cricket Ground - 18,500

Crystal Palace Athletics Stadium - 15,500

Wimbledon Centre Court - 13,810

Wimbledon Court 1 - 11,429

Excel Centre - 10,000

London Arena - 10,000

Martin Jol - Just because Spurs are ahead of us in the league this year doesn't mean you would have got to the same level. Arsene "Kraut Proffesur" Wenger has found a rare ad efficient formulae in the European Championship.

What teams have Achieved in Europe this year with relation to their league position...

Chelsea - JACK SHIT
Man United - JACK SHIT
Liverpool - JACK SHIT
Tottenham - JACK SHIT
Arsenal - 3 Games away from being Champions!!!

So while you sit there in White Hart Lane thinking Spurs would have achieved a similar level of success in Europe, just because you are above us in the league, Liverpool, United, and Chelsea are above Y'all and they achieved nothing. Arsene Wenger plays Efficient winning football and that is why we are doing so well.

Will we win it?

Well, It will be the Hardest Game of our season barring the pottencial final between us and Bartha/Meelan.

Villareal have been playing well,

But while people say they have beaten Man United Etc.

They Did NOT beat Man United. 2 Draws.
They Did NOT beat Rangers. _ Away Goals.
They Did NOT beat Inter Milan. _ Away Goals.

Although they have done it fair and sqaure, they have had luck, I feel their luck will run out.

I feel we have a good chance but we must be cautious.

Talk about reviving an old thread.......

Still doesn't take away the fact that you had luck on your side that day and normally that kind of tactic wins on the day.
Must have been luck again on Sunday.

Martin Jol - Just because Spurs are ahead of us in the league this year doesn't mean you would have got to the same level. Arsene "Kraut Proffesur" Wenger has found a rare ad efficient formulae in the European Championship.

What teams have Achieved in Europe this year with relation to their league position...

Chelsea - JACK SHIT
Man United - JACK SHIT
Liverpool - JACK SHIT
Tottenham - JACK SHIT
Arsenal - 3 Games away from being Champions!!!

So while you sit there in White Hart Lane thinking Spurs would have achieved a similar level of success in Europe, just because you are above us in the league, Liverpool, United, and Chelsea are above Y'all and they achieved nothing. Arsene Wenger plays Efficient winning football and that is why we are doing so well.

Will we win it?

Well, It will be the Hardest Game of our season barring the pottencial final between us and Bartha/Meelan.

Villareal have been playing well,

But while people say they have beaten Man United Etc.

They Did NOT beat Man United. 2 Draws.
They Did NOT beat Rangers. _ Away Goals.
They Did NOT beat Inter Milan. _ Away Goals.

Although they have done it fair and sqaure, they have had luck, I feel their luck will run out.

I feel we have a good chance but we must be cautious.

Ok who was wynding you up today?

If you've got something to say about Martin Jol say it to his face.

http://www.blikopnieuws.nl/foto/200511051131197302_22499.jpg

And by the way some of the "great" players that arsene supposedly spotted where infact spotted by this man...

http://img1.eurosport.com/imgbk/footbl/all/big_md-i200834.jpg

DAMIEN COMOLLI

It will be interesting this year to see what happens at the end as we shall wait and see.

Roar you are full of it, full of b*** s*** that is. I hope you get beat tonight, then theres no champions league next season. Do you really think you can beat Barca in the final? You came to OT and got abit of kickin. Barca are better than United so you gona have to play out of your skin to beat them.

Martin Jol - Just because Spurs are ahead of us in the league this year doesn't mean you would have got to the same level. Arsene "Kraut Proffesur" Wenger has found a rare ad efficient formulae in the European Championship.

What teams have Achieved in Europe this year with relation to their league position...

Chelsea - JACK SHIT
Man United - JACK SHIT
Liverpool - JACK SHIT
Tottenham - JACK SHIT
Arsenal - 3 Games away from being Champions!!!

So while you sit there in White Hart Lane thinking Spurs would have achieved a similar level of success in Europe, just because you are above us in the league, Liverpool, United, and Chelsea are above Y'all and they achieved nothing. Arsene Wenger plays Efficient winning football and that is why we are doing so well.

Will we win it?

Well, It will be the Hardest Game of our season barring the pottencial final between us and Bartha/Meelan.

Villareal have been playing well,

But while people say they have beaten Man United Etc.

They Did NOT beat Man United. 2 Draws.
They Did NOT beat Rangers. _ Away Goals.
They Did NOT beat Inter Milan. _ Away Goals.

Although they have done it fair and sqaure, they have had luck, I feel their luck will run out.

I feel we have a good chance but we must be cautious.
Mate, you're starting to sound like a complete idiot, I'm sorry to have to tell you. In fact, you're an embarassment, frankly.

Even though I'm a Man U supporter, I still watch the Arsenal games in the CL hoping they will win, cus I want an English side to win it, but it's people like you who make me tempted to root against Arsenal, just cus I know there are clowns like you out their supporting them.

You comment on the lack of other sides in the Prem doing well in the CL, like Arsneal have been doing great in it every year.... Arsenal usually crumble in the CL early on, so just becasue you have done well this year, there's no need to act like a complete jackass and slag off other teams who have a much better CL record then Arsenal.

Chelsea - Came up against Barcelona obviously, else they could have gone all the way to the final.

Man U - Had a pretty bad start to the season, didn't get in gear for the CL games and had some injuries, just wan't their year I guess.

Liverpool - Should have done better, went through a bad phase, but are now on the recovery in the Prem.

Mate, you're starting to sound like a complete idiot, I'm sorry to have to tell you. In fact, you're an embarassment, frankly.

Even though I'm a Man U supporter, I still watch the Arsenal games in the CL hoping they will win, cus I want an English side to win it, but it's people like you who make me tempted to root against Arsenal, just cus I know there are clowns like you out their supporting them.

You comment on the lack of other sides in the Prem doing well in the CL, like Arsneal have been doing great in it every year.... Arsenal usually crumble in the CL early on, so just becasue you have done well this year, there's no need to act like a complete jackass and slag off other teams who have a much better CL record then Arsenal.

Chelsea - Came up against Barcelona obviously, else they could have gone all the way to the final.

Man U - Had a pretty bad start to the season, didn't get in gear for the CL games and had some injuries, just wan't their year I guess.

Liverpool - Should have done better, went through a bad phase, but are now on the recovery in the Prem.

Very well said.

Roar a lot teams in this country haven't done well this season in the league or any cups. For example Tottenham were a complete and utter joke in the cups but they have made up for that their league form so far this season deserves respect.

Tottenham Hotspur season so far

http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/graphs/TottenhamHot_pos.gif

Look at Arsnal in the league they haven't been at their best have they? but when you look at their European form it deserves respect as they have done superbly in Europe.

jack slim rabbit who did ya wants ta win in last seasons final milan or liverpool?

Mate, you're starting to sound like a complete idiot, I'm sorry to have to tell you. In fact, you're an embarassment, frankly.

WHY?

Even though I'm a Man U supporter, I still watch the Arsenal games in the CL hoping they will win, cus I want an English side to win it, but it's people like you who make me tempted to root against Arsenal, just cus I know there are clowns like you out their supporting them.

YEAH RIGHT!!

You comment on the lack of other sides in the Prem doing well in the CL, like Arsneal have been doing great in it every year.... Arsenal usually crumble in the CL early on, so just becasue you have done well this year, there's no need to act like a complete jackass and slag off other teams who have a much better CL record then Arsenal.

I SAID THIS SEASON!!!

Chelsea - Came up against Barcelona obviously, else they could have gone all the way to the final.

IT MAKES IT ALL THE MORE SWEETER! Classless club with no History.

Our defence only cost about a tenth of theirs and we have only conceded twice in the whole competition.

Come on Roman spend another £100 Million in the summer and fuck up again!!!

Man U - Had a pretty bad start to the season, didn't get in gear for the CL games and had some injuries, just wan't their year I guess.

AGREED - But who's fault is that.

Liverpool - Should have done better, went through a bad phase, but are now on the recovery in the Prem.

They won it fair and square - but in reality they weren't all that.

Why? Just becuase you disagree with something I say does not mean I am an Idiot. It's a completely feasable Argument.

Villareal didn't exactly wipe the floor with Inter,Rangers,Man U.

Unlike we did with...

AJAX
MADRID
JUVENTUS
PRAGUE
THUN.

Roar you are full of it, full of b*** s*** that is. I hope you get beat tonight, then theres no champions league next season. Do you really think you can beat Barca in the final? You came to OT and got abit of kickin. Barca are better than United so you gona have to play out of your skin to beat them.

If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen sonny this is a football rivals forum no holds barred.

Well, it's not like we got kicked off the park, I think we dominated play for 30 mins at OT and then gave up.

Even if we get beat tonight I think we will still be able to make the final 4th place.

Even if we don't, I think we have a good chance against Villareal, and if we get barca in the final, well their an attacking team.

They won it fair and square - but in reality they weren't all that.

Why? Just becuase you disagree with something I say does not mean I am an Idiot. It's a completely feasable Argument.

Villareal didn't exactly wipe the floor with Inter,Rangers,Man U.

Unlike we did with...

AJAX
MADRID
JUVENTUS
PRAGUE
THUN.

Ajax had big injuries so really it was an even match. Madrid and Juve yep very impressive but Thun and Prague....oh well its your opinion.

jack slim rabbit who did ya wants ta win in last seasons final milan or liverpool?
Well, I dislike Liverpool more then I do Arsenal, mainly cus it's an older rivalry and I have a friend who supports Arsenal, so it was a close one. To be honest with you, I didn't really mind who won that game, cus if Liverpool won, I could take consellation in the fact that it was an English club, and if Milan won, it would mean Liverpool losing, which is always good ;)

Oh and btw, can you please talk properly. I know you're from 'da hood' or whatever, but just give it a rest ok?

And to respond to you roar: Firstly, I DO want Arsneal to win the CL, and I know this will be hard for you to understand, but not everybody is as narrow minded and bitter that they cannot look beond club level to see the national pride! I'm not saying I'd be heart broken if Arsenal didn't win, but I'd much rather they did then a foreign team, and I don't care whether you believe me or not!

Secondly, I know you were talking about this year's CL, but it still does not give you the right to insult, criticise and degrade other teams, just cus Arsenal happen to be doing well in it for once. Winning or losing depends on a lot of factors, such as who you play, how good you are on the night, how bad the other team are on the night...etc etc. And it just so happens that Arsenal have faced the right opposition, who didn't play brilliantly, and with Arsenal being on good form for those matches. United's win against Arsenal, and tonight's 1-1 draw with Portsmouth prove that different circumstances will produce different results for Arsenal, so don't mouth off at other teams who didn't have the right result when they needed to in their CL campaign!

Btw, I wish you all the luck in the semi-finals. Make sure you stick Henry on for the full match though ;)

:cheers:

otay fair answer ah thought ya wanted liverpool ta win. ah (and all united fans ah th'o't wuz rooting fo' Milan) but yeea , I th'o't I'd like Arsenal ta win it dis here year. A London club surely has ta win it one day, they've been pathetic so far Ya' dig?

Where's that bigoted Bubomb????

I would like to know what he's got to say on the escapades of Rangers' hooligans.

So Bubomb, what's your reply????

Where's that bigoted Bubomb????

I would like to know what he's got to say on the escapades of Rangers' hooligans.

So Bubomb, what's your reply????

Rangers and their fans have been foung 'NOT GUILTY' of all charges of bigoted behaviour and have been fined under £9000 because one idiot out of 20000 travelling supporters smashed a window on the Villareal bus. There were no arrests at all among the 20000 travelling supporters, compared to eight Liverpool fans arrested amongst 3000 travelling Liverpool fans in Lisbon the previous night.

I remember that guy Bubomb, and he always claimed Rangers fans had a very small minority of idiots, and if you ask me, one broken window and no arrests is superb behaviour from 20000 travelling supporters!! Just a shame one idiot let the side down!!

The UEFA verdict of NOT GUILTY on bigotry is a great victory for Rangers, and the £9000 fine for the broken window?? Well, David Murray probably spends more that that on his lunch break!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4876118.stm

hey bubomb, how you doing laddie, or should we call you Neo?

otay fair answer ah thought ya wanted liverpool ta win. ah (and all united fans ah th'o't wuz rooting fo' Milan) but yeea , I th'o't I'd like Arsenal ta win it dis here year. A London club surely has ta win it one day, they've been pathetic so far Ya' dig?
Yep I am also deff rooting for the highbury boy's, it would be nice for them to win it. but after lasts nights game against Pompie & Sundays game against the manc's, they beginning to scare me, but if they want to copy what liverpool did last season then they right on track, do well in Europe & stink in the Prem, & just how we had our rivals those blue shite from across the river in 4th & crying about it, they got their rivals, Jol & the spur boys in 4th. So you never know, but its hard to tell if Arsenal can crack the like of either Barca or Milan, but they have to get through Villa Real first, remember, everyonw thought Benfica will be a walk over for Liverpool but those Liboa pricks knocked us out 3-0 on agg!

But I hope its Henry lifting the trophy in May in Paree, that should make Wenger a proud man, to win the greatest trohpy in Europe in his country of birth.

Oh & Roar, u pompus arsenal batty boi,
Liverpool aint Jack shit, first win the Champs League 5 times then you can call us JACK SHIT, other wise just shove it. ok? :D

I say f*ck Arsenal.

I don't want to see another English team bar us ever win that trophy ever again. If that happens, I'll be a very happy man.

Nothing against Arsenal personally (apart from Wenger who said the trophy is 'devalued after last year' - lets hear him express the same opinion again now that the European Cup is the only way to save his hide) - I like the most out of the other bunch (along with West Ham) but I'd rather they didn't win it.

I don't want to see Milan win it because then they'll have 7.

I don't want to see Barca win it ... just because it'll be funny if they don't.

So that leaves Villareal...CMON VILLAREAL!

^^Interesting, when did Wenger made that dumb comments about the 'trophy being devalued last year'? & why is it 'devalued' cause Liverpool took the original & they had to make a new one?

I think Wenger meant that a team that is not even close to being the best in England, let alone Europe, means that the European Cup is no longer a measure of the best team in Europe. He was of course correct.

To be honest, it never was a measure of the best team in Europe, as any Cup format competition means teams of lesser ability can knock out much better teams as you have one-off games, whereas over a season of 40 games, the better team would always finish far above the much weaker team.

hey bubomb, how you doing laddie, or should we call you Neo?

Hello, my name is Keanu Reeves, star of the 1994 action packed Blockbuster - SPEED. I also played Neo (as you know) in the 1999 Sci-Fi epic - THE MATRIX. It was followed up with 2 crap sequels that I would rather not talk about.

I think Wenger meant that a team that is not even close to being the best in England, let alone Europe, means that the European Cup is no longer a measure of the best team in Europe. He was of course correct.

To be honest, it never was a measure of the best team in Europe, as any Cup format competition means teams of lesser ability can knock out much better teams as you have one-off games, whereas over a season of 40 games, the better team would always finish far above the much weaker team.

It once used to be a measure of the best team in Europe. But then only 1 (or 2 - if a team won the European Cup the previous year and didn't finish as champions) teams from a country were allowed to qualify - and you also ended up playing the likes of the Champions of Lithuania as opposed to every single one of Real, Barca, Milan, Juve, Inter.

Then again, it was a much more difficult competition to qualify for - and Liverpool won it 4 times in 7 years. English teams also held the trophy in England for 7 out of 8 years during that period (Nottingham Forest - 2, Aston Villa - 1).

Can't have it both ways I suppose...

Interesting, when did Wenger made that dumb comments about the 'trophy being devalued last year'? & why is it 'devalued' cause Liverpool took the original & they had to make a new one?

He made it either before the final or after we were crowned Champions. Truthful comment or not, either way it was a stupid comment to make seeing as it's saving his hide now. Not to mention the fact that he has NEVER won the competiton, and this year was the first year he's ever managed to get to the semi final stage. Ferguson has also managed United for 20 years and has only won the competition once, reaching the semi final stage twice I believe. (Although English teams were ineligible till from 1985 to early 90s).

Hello, my name is Keanu Reeves, star of the 1994 action packed Blockbuster - SPEED. I also played Neo (as you know) in the 1999 Sci-Fi epic - THE MATRIX. It was followed up with 2 crap sequels that I would rather not talk about.
Good to know you keeping well, looking foward to your posts mate.

It once used to be a measure of the best team in Europe. But then only 1 (or 2 - if a team won the European Cup the previous year and didn't finish as champions) teams from a country were allowed to qualify - and you also ended up playing the likes of the Champions of Lithuania as opposed to every single one of Real, Barca, Milan, Juve, Inter.

Then again, it was a much more difficult competition to qualify for - and Liverpool won it 4 times in 7 years. English teams also held the trophy in England for 7 out of 8 years during that period (Nottingham Forest - 2, Aston Villa - 1).

I'd say that the european cup was a better judge for finding the "best team in europe" in the past since as you say you actually had to be champions of your own league to qualify for it. That said winning the modern champions league is probabley a bigger achievement in itself since your likely to have to get past many more big teams to do so.

These days I'd say the only teams able to call themselves the best in europe with any conviction are those who win the champs league and one of the major leage titles in the same season.

Agreed.

But by that reckoning Porto couldn't have been the best team in Europe the year they completed the treble? (They didn't win a 'major' league title unless you consider the Portugese Superliga to be a major league).

I still think who ever wins the champs league are worthy champions, I dont care if they had piss arse team all the way to the final, sometimes the same piss arse teams suprise the favourites, like what happen to Liverpool & Man U this season. Chelsea are teh champs of England, there were the first english team to get knocked out of the knock out rounds in the CL, so if it were just the champs of each countries respective league then most of the champions are out.

England - Chelsea
Italy - Juventus
Spain - Barca (well apart from them)
Portugal - Benfica
Germany - Bayern Munich
France - Lyon
Holland - PSV

Well, I dislike Liverpool more then I do Arsenal, mainly cus it's an older rivalry and I have a friend who supports Arsenal, so it was a close one. To be honest with you, I didn't really mind who won that game, cus if Liverpool won, I could take consellation in the fact that it was an English club, and if Milan won, it would mean Liverpool losing, which is always good ;)

Oh and btw, can you please talk properly. I know you're from 'da hood' or whatever, but just give it a rest ok?

And to respond to you roar: Firstly, I DO want Arsneal to win the CL, and I know this will be hard for you to understand, but not everybody is as narrow minded and bitter that they cannot look beond club level to see the national pride! I'm not saying I'd be heart broken if Arsenal didn't win, but I'd much rather they did then a foreign team, and I don't care whether you believe me or not!

Secondly, I know you were talking about this year's CL, but it still does not give you the right to insult, criticise and degrade other teams, just cus Arsenal happen to be doing well in it for once. Winning or losing depends on a lot of factors, such as who you play, how good you are on the night, how bad the other team are on the night...etc etc. And it just so happens that Arsenal have faced the right opposition, who didn't play brilliantly, and with Arsenal being on good form for those matches. United's win against Arsenal, and tonight's 1-1 draw with Portsmouth prove that different circumstances will produce different results for Arsenal, so don't mouth off at other teams who didn't have the right result when they needed to in their CL campaign!

Btw, I wish you all the luck in the semi-finals. Make sure you stick Henry on for the full match though ;)

:cheers:

Fair Play.

Oh & Roar, u pompus arsenal batty boi,
Liverpool aint Jack shit, first win the Champs League 5 times then you can call us JACK SHIT, other wise just shove it. ok? :D

If you read what I said I was talking about this season. Dumb batty boi.

Hands up your club have had more success in general - but we have achieved what no one else has and that is becoming champions undefeated.

Even winning the Champions League this year may not eclipse what we achieved in 2003/2004 in terms of a sporting achievement. However I would have swapped it for the Champions League trophy (although we may not need to if we win it this year) because it is all glammed up to be "the best trophy" even though it is a cup competition.

If you read what I said I was talking about this season. Dumb batty boi.

Hands up your club have had more success in general - but we have achieved what no one else has and that is becoming champions undefeated.

Even winning the Champions League this year may not eclipse what we achieved in 2003/2004 in terms of a sporting achievement. However I would have swapped it for the Champions League trophy (although we may not need to if we win it this year) because it is all glammed up to be "the best trophy" even though it is a cup competition.



i'll be quite happy for Arsenal to win the champs league
well,i'd be happy for anybody other than Chelski to win it,but i would like to see the Gunners go all the way

If you read what I said I was talking about this season. Dumb batty boi.

Hands up your club have had more success in general - but we have achieved what no one else has and that is becoming champions undefeated.

Even winning the Champions League this year may not eclipse what we achieved in 2003/2004 in terms of a sporting achievement. However I would have swapped it for the Champions League trophy (although we may not need to if we win it this year) because it is all glammed up to be "the best trophy" even though it is a cup competition.

Hey I aint no batty boi! I just saw you saying that Liverpool = JACK SHIT

i'll be quite happy for Arsenal to win the champs league
well,i'd be happy for anybody other than Chelski to win it,but i would like to see the Gunners go all the way

Dankeshon Mein freund!!

I say f*ck Arsenal.

I don't want to see another English team bar us ever win that trophy ever again. If that happens, I'll be a very happy man.

Nothing against Arsenal personally (apart from Wenger who said the trophy is 'devalued after last year' - lets hear him express the same opinion again now that the European Cup is the only way to save his hide) - I like the most out of the other bunch (along with West Ham) but I'd rather they didn't win it.

I don't want to see Milan win it because then they'll have 7.

I don't want to see Barca win it ... just because it'll be funny if they don't.

So that leaves Villareal...CMON VILLAREAL!
That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. When did Wenger say that. Wenger said that Chapions League is now merely a cup competition and the premier league is the real test for a team, and this has been more certain sice the scrapping of the second group stage.

He never devalued Liverpool's run, he only stated the obvious. If Villareal can get as far as they have by only winning 3 games it shows that it is not a competition that is hugely dependent on form or consistentcy which a league is.
I supported Man U and Liverpool when they won the cl against Bayern and AC and I know most english fans (except for Chelsea & Spurs) will support Arsenal as our rivalry tends to take a back seat during these matches. We have never had a itter rivalry with Pool and the rivalry between Man U has died down this season

Well done Bigot, you took the bait.

It's good to see you do at least have one close groupee on here.

:)

Milwaukee, Wisconsin

Miller Park, Baseball
http://people.msoe.edu/~reyer/mke/2001a.jpg

Bradley Center, Basketball (NBA, NCAA), Hockey (AHL)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6a/Bradley_Center.jpg
http://www.nsae.com/images/bradley.jpg

U.S. Cellular Arena, Basketball (NCAA), Soccer (MISL)
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Al McGuire Center Basketball, Volleyball (NCAA)
http://www.marquette.edu/about/campus/images/bowlfull.jpg

Klotche Center, Basketball, Volleyball (NCAA)
http://www.cbsportsbeat.com/arenas/uwmil/uwm_klotsche.jpg

Kern Center, Basketball, Volleyball, Hockey (NCAA)
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That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. When did Wenger say that. Wenger said that Chapions League is now merely a cup competition and the premier league is the real test for a team, and this has been more certain sice the scrapping of the second group stage.

He never devalued Liverpool's run, he only stated the obvious. If Villareal can get as far as they have by only winning 3 games it shows that it is not a competition that is hugely dependent on form or consistentcy which a league is.
I supported Man U and Liverpool when they won the cl against Bayern and AC and I know most english fans (except for Chelsea & Spurs) will support Arsenal as our rivalry tends to take a back seat during these matches. We have never had a itter rivalry with Pool and the rivalry between Man U has died down this season

Like I said, I have nothing personal against Arsenal. I would hardly be at a suicidal point if they won it - unlike if United won it.

But I don't WANT them to win it - I want Liverpool to be the only team to dominate Europe.

As it stands right now, on a Liverpool versus Rest of England basis, Liverpool have as many European Cups as the rest of England put together (Mancs 2, Forest 2, Villa 1).

I don't want the 'Rest of England' going 1 up.

http://www.thesundaymail.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5108949,00.jpg

Is that a CGI image? It just looks "wrong" to me, as I'm sure the start of the 100m straight is (was) near where the new and old stands meet...

Like I said, I have nothing personal against Arsenal. I would hardly be at a suicidal point if they won it - unlike if United won it.

But I don't WANT them to win it - I want Liverpool to be the only team to dominate Europe.

As it stands right now, on a Liverpool versus Rest of England basis, Liverpool have as many European Cups as the rest of England put together (Mancs 2, Forest 2, Villa 1).

I don't want the 'Rest of England' going 1 up.

Plastic fantastic.

All about false personnal pride innit. Sounds highly selfish that after all the hard work Wengers done you can't even concede we deserve to win the one trophy left on wengers list. Don't worry you've jinxed it in our favour.

Is that a CGI image? It just looks "wrong" to me, as I'm sure the start of the 100m straight is (was) near where the new and old stands meet...

Yes it is.

I couldn't find an address for a photo of the G during the comm games, I have some on my computer but dont know how to put them up on here. anybody know how?

You just don't get it do you?

Where the fuck did I ever say that you don't deserve to win it?

I just said it's a personal thing - I don't want Arsenal to win it.

They're a fantastic team and I respect them a lot - and love the football they play and after Liverpool, I would probably root for them to win any other competition (FA Cup, Carling Cup etc) - but NOT the European Cup.

You just don't get it do you?

Where the fuck did I ever say that you don't deserve to win it?

I just said it's a personal thing - I don't want Arsenal to win it.

They're a fantastic team and I respect them a lot - and love the football they play and after Liverpool, I would probably root for them to win any other competition (FA Cup, Carling Cup etc) - but NOT the European Cup.

Because you would then be at risk of not needing to support Liverpool anymore and it would show you what type of supporter you are!!

Nah only Kiddin Bruv!!!

Well done Bigot, you took the bait.

It's good to see you do at least have one close groupee on here.

:)
errr I dont want to sound like a dumbass, but wats a 'bigot'? first time I am hearing of such a word.

errr I dont want to sound like a dumbass, but wats a 'bigot'? first time I am hearing of such a word.

It means racist.

errr I dont want to sound like a dumbass, but wats a 'bigot'? first time I am hearing of such a word.


Bigot - a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
Racist - a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent

They're subtly different. But usually a person who is one is also the other. But not by default.

Bubomb for example was much more of a bigot than a racist.

thanx for that, dont understand this english slang :)

errr I dont want to sound like a dumbass, but wats a 'bigot'? first time I am hearing of such a word.

The word 'bigot' is a word often used by real bigots to accuse innocent people and silence them in the hope of turning the attention away from their own faults and bigotry, and to help them gain financial/political power. It Scotland, the word 'bigot' basically means Catholics hating Protestants and Protestants hating Catholics. Outside of Scotland, few understand the history, religion or culture of Scotland, and so their ignorance leads them to accuse people of being a 'bigot', when in fact they are not bigots at all.

Recently, some idiots on this forum accused a Rangers fan of being a 'bigot' because he posted pictures that showed celtic park in a bad light. What these morons failed to realise that this was no more than healthy rivalry (just like Man United/Man City etc) and was in no way 'bigoted'. Their ignorance and lack of education on Scotland lead them to immediately call someone a bigot because they cannot understand any aspect of Glasgow/Scottish culture.

It means racist.


No it doesn't. More ignorance being shown i'm afraid. I can be a bigot and not a racist. This is why you have two different words.

A bigot is OK is ignorance but my experiances is it mainly being racism but it isn't all the time racist so silly me.

Anyway!

Moving on from the meaning of a word to the subject that this thread was created for RIVALRIES!

Which is the most over rated product: the English Premiership or the Champions League?

Which is the most over rated product: the English Premiership or the Champions League?

don't you get tired? are you so insecure?

Which is the most over rated product: the English Premiership or the Champions League?

Neither. Both hugely under rated in my opinion.

^^Yeh have to agree,
& fillet Tower please change your name & picture, you making me hungry,................uh need KFC...............:eat:

But still think the English Prem is one of the if not the best league in the world.
Next season is gonna be a cracker with most of the top teams hitting form.

^^Yeh have to agree,
& fillet Tower please change your name & picture, you making me hungry,................uh need KFC...............:eat:

But still think the English Prem is one of the if not the best league in the world.
Next season is gonna be a cracker with most of the top teams hitting form.

No Kidding.

POMPEY
POMPEY
POMPEY
POMPEY

but wtf does this have to do with stadia?

King agrees four-year Spurs deal

Tottenham captain Ledley King has signed a new four-year contract with the White Hart Lane club.
The 25-year-old England central defender's current deal had been due to expire at the end of next season.

"The new deal has taken a while to sort out, but there was never any question about me staying," he told the Stellar Group website.

"I want to continue captaining this club in what is hopefully going to be a very successful period."

Reports in February had suggested King had rejected an initial offer, although team boss Martin Jol had insisted throughout his club skipper would remain at White Hart Lane past 2008.

King is out for the rest of the season after fracturing a bone in his foot and faces a fitness battle to make England's World Cup squad.

But whatever the outcome, he insisted he already has half an eye on next season and the guarantee of European football.

"We are obviously desperate to get fourth spot and make the Champions League next season, but even if we miss out, it has still been our best season for quite some time," he said.

"We will have European football at White Hart Lane whatever and that is something we should be guaranteeing every year.

"We have a great squad of players who are young, hungry and want to win things. We also have a great manager who has given us a lot of confidence and belief in the way we play."



http://www.itv-football.co.uk/Images/LedleyKingITV.jpg

Singing we've got Ledley at the back,
Singing we've got Ledley at the back,
Singing we've got Ledley,
We've got Ledley
We've got Ledley at the back!!!

:dance:

Over the moon!!

Lennon, Keano, King all on new 4 year deals with Dawson on a 5 year deal things are looking good :cheers:

Why the hell is this thread still open?


This section should be limited to discussions about Stadiums and Sport Arenas, nothing else.

Old Trafford (Man Utd) 76,000
Old Trafford (Cricket) 30,000
City Of Manchester Stadium (Man City) 48,500
Reebok Stadium (Bolton Wanders) 28,723
JJB Stadium (Wigan Athletics & Wigan Warriors) 25,000
Gigg Lane (Bury FC & FC United) 11,840
The Pavilion (Salford City Reds) 11,363
City Of Salford Stadium (Planning) (Salford City Reds) 20,000
Edgeley Park (Sale Sharks & Stockport County Fc) 11,000
M.E.N Arena 19,500-22,500
G-Mex 10,000
Velodrome 2,000-6,000
Commonwealth Pool 2,500-6,000

Is it just me or does Metrodome resemble BC Place?

Its just you.

its best to say maybe athens has the most up to date venues.

Brisbane, QLD

Gabba, 38000 and changing every match
Suncorp Stadium, 52000
ANZ Stadium, no certain capacity
Ballymore, 10000
Perry Park, 5000
Albion Park, c.12000

Kirkcaldy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirkcaldy), Scotland

Raith Rovers Football Club
Starks Park (http://www.raithroversfc.com/cgi-bin/starkspark.cgi) 10,500

http://www.raithroversfc.com/images/starkspark/stadiumfromdistance.jpg

http://www.raithroversfc.com/images/starkspark/northstand.jpg

http://www.pieandbovril.co.uk/forum/uploads/post-448-1151260848_thumb.jpg

Fife Flyers Ice Hockey Club
Fife Ice Arena 4,000

http://www.glenrothescougars.co.uk/images/rinkphoto.jpg

http://www.glenrothescougars.co.uk/images/Copy_of_insiderink2.jpg

Kirkcaldy Rugby Football Club
Beveridge Park Community Stadium 500

http://www.kirkcaldyrugby.com/images/ACCIES.JPG

*Sorry about the size of the pictures, it was all I could find.*

Tuscaloosa, Alabama University of Alabama football
Bryant-Denny Stadium 92000
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/8282/bdssouth0aq.png

Montgomery, Alabama Montgomery Biscuits baseball
Montgomery Riverwalk Stadium 7000
http://www.biscuitsbaseball.com/images/stadium/overhead.jpg
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:MIC2gWrGFJ37eM:users.mon-cre.net/rmcgough/StadiumRiverfront.JPG

its best to say maybe athens has the most up to date venues.

i would say that phoenix has the most up to date stadiums, and far more than athens ever will.

true

Chicago
United Center (Bulls, Blackhawks)
http://www.u2place.net/images/tours/vertigotour/venues/chicago01.jpg
Wrigley Field (Cubs)
http://www.intheloop-chicago.com/images/pic-wrigley_field.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9f/Wrigley_field_720.jpg
US Cellular Field (Sox)
http://www.baseballpilgrimages.com/american/chicago2.jpg
http://mall.ballparks.com/images/AV82.jpg
Toyota Park in Bridgeview (Fire)
http://fc.dallas.mlsnet.com/images/2006/06/09/VVcYK9sy.jpg
http://chicago.fire.mlsnet.com/chf/imgs/stadium/bridgeview/construction_photos/2006/05_04_06/12.jpg
http://chicago.fire.mlsnet.com/chf/imgs/stadium/bridgeview/construction_photos/2006/05_08_06/4.jpg

It´s used for soccer by the local team, Associação Académica de Coimbra

http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/na/archive/00149/Cidade_de_Coimbra___149555a.jpg

http://www.stadionbesuch.de/images/2004_06_27_0092_Fubbes_Portugalx.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/antonio_ms2000/Estadio_Cidade_de_Coimbra.jpg

http://www.stadiumguide.com/coimbra2.jpg

http://www.in.gr/news/Reviews/Review534204/assets/Coimbra.jpg

http://www.photocabi.net/megrin/Coimbra/image/9679_011046.jpg

everthing about +10,000

[Istanbul Park: 155,000]
1. Atatürk Olimpiyat: 80,597
2. Fenerbahçe Sükrü Saracoglu: 52,500
3. Besikras Inönü: 32,145
4. Ali Sami Yen: 24,714
5. Sinan Erdem Dome: 22,500
6. Zeytinburnu Stadi: 17,500
7. Kartal Atatürk Stadi: 15,000
8. Maltepe Atatürk Stadi: 15,000
9. Abdi Ipekçi Arena: 11,000
10. Bayrampasa Cetin Emec: 12,000
11. Güngören Belediye: 10,500

Tennis Main Court u/c: 12,000
I hope new Ali Sami Yen: 52,520 (pleeeaaaasseeeeee built it )

everthing about +10,000

[Istanbul Park: 155,000]
1. Atatürk Olimpiyat: 80,597
2. Fenerbahçe Sükrü Saracoglu: 52,500
3. Besikras Inönü: 32,145
4. Ali Sami Yen: 24,714
5. Sinan Erdem Dome: 22,500
6. Zeytinburnu Stadi: 17,500
7. Kartal Atatürk Stadi: 15,000
8. Maltepe Atatürk Stadi: 15,000
9. Abdi Ipekçi Arena: 11,000
10. Bayrampasa Cetin Emec: 12,000
11. Güngören Belediye: 10,500

Tennis Main Court u/c: 12,000
I hope new Ali Sami Yen: 52,520 (pleeeaaaasseeeeee built it )it will be never built

you can add photos...

future aren's in my city
hall "ARENA Gdansk"
capacity 15.000
http://gdansk.naszemiasto.pl/grafika2/nowy/19/40_521232_3_d_2030.jpg
http://gdansk.naszemiasto.pl/grafika2/nowy/6f/40_521232_1_d_9547.jpg
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/9194/hala56mg.jpg

and now :
http://images2.fotosik.pl/88/c5e7fd287117ee88.jpg

Stadium "BALTIC ARENA"
capacity 44.000
http://stadiony.net/projects/arena_baltycka/arena_baltycka02.jpg
http://www.gdansk.pl/g2/2006_04/12859_filebig.jpg

it will be built :D
lazy Kuvvaci :D

[Istanbul Park: 155,000]
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/marmara/istanbul_otodrom2.jpg

1. Atatürk Olimpiyat: 80,597
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/marmara/istanbul_ataturk2.jpg

2. Fenerbahçe Sükrü Saracoglu: 52,500
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/marmara/istanbul_fenerbahce1.jpg

3. Besiktas Inönü: 32,145
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/marmara/istanbul_inonu2.jpg

4. Ali Sami Yen: 24,714
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/marmara/istanbul_ali_sami_yen1.jpg

5. Sinan Erdem Dome: 22,500
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/marmara/istanbul_atakoy_dome.jpg

6. Zeytinburnu Stadi: 17,500
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/marmara/istanbul_zeytinburnu.jpg

7. Kartal Atatürk Stadi: 15,000

8. Maltepe Atatürk Stadi: 15,000
http://www.istanbul-gsim.gov.tr/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=51&Itemid=1

9. Abdi Ipekçi Arena: 11,000
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/marmara/istanbul_ipekci2.jpg

10. Bayrampasa Cetin Emec: 12,000

11. Güngören Belediye: 10,500

Ballymore, 10000

24,000, you mean.

Soldier Field - 61,500
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/618/soldierfield0fs.jpg

United Center - 22,879
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1636/unitedcenter4oz.jpg

Wrigley Field - 41,118
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4592/1909050img6404do.jpg

U.S. Cellular Field - 40,615
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4031/16156511e7571ddfa57dz.jpg

Allstate Arena - 16-17,500
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/499/allstate19zo.jpg

UIC Pavilion - 6,958
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6908/1444213yb.jpg

Toyota Park - 20,000
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/440/1661267629f4467df414pr.jpg

Sears Centre -10,000
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8084/scnight0jm.jpg

Chicagoland Speedway - 75,000
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9492/chicagolandtrack3pw.gif

Arlington Park - 34,000
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7505/16at1.jpg

Benedetti-Wehrli Stadium - 15,000
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2739/stadium25dv.jpg

Ryan Field - 47,130
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5476/ryanbig2tf.jpg

BTW, the UIC Pavillion is where the Chicago Sky, the newest team in the WNBA, will play their home games.

Rexfan 2, just letting you know that ANZ Stadium (now officially called Queensland Sports & Athletics Centre) holds 49,000 people.

CINCINNATI

Paul Brown Stadium - 66,000
American Football - Cincinnati Bengals

Great American Ballpark - 42,000
Baseball - Cincinnati Reds

Nippert Stadium - 35,000
NCAA Football - Cincinnati Bearcats

Shoemaker Center - 13,000
NCAA Basketball - Cincinnati Bearcats

US Bank Arena - 15,000
Various Events

Cintas Center - 9,000
NCAA Basketball - Xavier Musketeers

ATP Tennis Center - 11,000
TMS Cincinnati, AVP Beach Volleyball

Stadiums that are in your area or at least a 20 min car journey away.

The New Den. Millwall FC
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~stewa/index/loftus/milwall01.jpg

Selhurst Park. Crystal Palace FC
http://www.cpfc.org/g2/d/59210-2/aab.jpg
http://home.skysports.com/images/stadia/31.jpg
http://tickers.bbc.co.uk/berkshire/sport/2003/08/selhurstpark_270.jpg

Crystal Palace Athletics Stadium
http://www.crystal.dircon.co.uk/images/sports2.jpg
http://www.tonykingtk.com/images/crystalpalacestadium.jpg

Post yours :)

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/north_west/st_helens_knowsley.jpg

Knowsley Road, about 2 minutes from where I live

then theres Anfield, Goodison, Tranmere's Ground, JJB Stadium, Leigh RMI/RLFC stadium, maybe a bit than 20 mins - OT, COMs, Ewood Park, Reebok Stadium, Deepdale, etc

Olympisch Stadion Amsterdam - 10 min. by car

http://www.ervas.nl/library/images/SCAN_1_1.jpg


Amsterdam Arena - 15-20 min. by car

http://www.amsterdamtourist.nl/upload/afbeeldingen/consumentensite/attracties/arenagr.jpg

Carlos Tartiere, Oviedo, SPAIN

http://www.oviedin.com/carlostartiere/nuevocarlostartierefuera.jpg
http://www.futbolfactory.futbolweb.net/estadios/images/tartiere.jpg
http://www.oviedin.com/carlostartiere/img1.jpg
http://www.oviedin.com/temporadas/2004/imagenes/avilacuatro.jpg

St Marys :) (southampton) but i dont support them; they're draw specialists, bore bore bore.

i support a London team :cheers:

ASHBURTON GROVE

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0e/SA400264.JPG

WHITE HART LANE

http://www.uefa-archiv.de/Stadien/londontottenham.jpg

St Andrews, home of Birmingham City

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/ENG/St_Andrews_A.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/west_midlands/birmingham_st_andrews1.jpg

Villa Park, home of Aston Villa

http://www.london2012.com/NR/rdonlyres/7C76F99B-66FA-41D4-8E57-265D9A707787/0/villa_park_alt.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/west_midlands/birmingham_villa_park1.jpg

The Hawthorns, home of West Bromich Albion

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/west_midlands/west_bromwich_hawthorns1.jpg

http://users.aber.ac.uk/iab3/hawthorns.jpg

Bescot Stadium, home of Walsall

http://www.yfh45.dial.pipex.com/walsall10.jpg

Alexander Athletics Stadium

http://www.bbc.co.uk/birmingham/sport/clubs/harriers/images/alexander_stadium_270.jpg

Rogers Centre:

http://www.isprogram.utoronto.ca/images/gallery/toronto/CN-Tower-and-Rogers-Centre-.jpg

http://images.43things.com/place/00/02/ae/175679lr.jpg

And soon enough NSS:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f6/ExhibitionPlaceNSS.jpg

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7016/img0989xr9.jpg

Hercules Alicante 15 minutes by car
http://i7.tinypic.com/282l0ms.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/282l255.jpg
http://i7.tinypic.com/282l2er.jpg

Elche CF 15 minutes by car
http://i7.tinypic.com/282l2dc.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/282l2qs.jpg
http://i8.tinypic.com/282l3b4.jpg

Stadiums that are in your area or at least a 20 min car journey away.

That covers every stadium on the planet :)

Depends how fast you drive, lol.

Raith Rovers
Starks Park - 10,104

http://www.raithroversfc.com/images/starkspark/stadiumfromdistance.jpg

http://www.raithroversfc.com/images/starkspark/mainstand.jpg

Kirkcaldy Rugby Football Club
Beveridge Park - 500(ish)

http://www.melrose7s.com/2002/live/images/large/57-4.jpg

Fife Flyers
Fife Ice Arena (2,500)

http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/1719/rinkphotoga9.jpg

http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/704/copyofinsiderink2mm1.jpg

East Fife
Bayview (3,200)

http://www.stjohnstonefc.co.uk/newspics/aerial5.jpg

Cowdenbeath
Central Park (5,268)



Dunfermline (aka Scumfermline :D)
East End Park (12,510)

http://www.heartsfc.premiumtv.co.uk/javaImages/40/e1/0,,10289~581952,00.jpg

Old Trafford Football and Cricket grounds.
Altrincham FC ground
Sale Sharks old ground still used by someone teams no idea who.

Beaver Stadium (110,000) - 2 minute drive

http://imagearchive.psu.edu/albums/batches/beaver_stadium1.jpg

Medlar Field at Lubrano Park (6,000) - 2 minute drive

http://www.development.psu.edu/ReasonsForGiving/BuildingProjects/images/medlar350.jpg

Bryce Jordan Center (16,000) - 2 minute drive

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/pennsylvania/university_park_jordan1.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/pennsylvania/university_park_jordan2.jpg

Rec Hall (7,000) - 4 minute drive

http://www.campusmaps.psu.edu/buildings/photos/rechall01.jpg

Sun Devil Stadium - 10 minutes:
http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/asu/trads/images/stadium-full.jpg
Chase Field - 25 minutes:
http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/images/2004/09/20/cCUz4nfU.jpg
(Didn't know Mountain Dew was once a sponsor!)
Cardinals Stadium - 45 minutes:
http://www.tekla.com/go/modelcomp05/models/Arizona_Cardinals/Arizona-Cardinals-Stadium-6.jpg

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/7065/randomestuff006kg4.jpg

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3545/randomestuff005vb5.jpg

viking stadion, 16 500
300px-vikingstadion 1
viking 2

viking stadion, 16 500
C:\Documents and Settings\Arvid Støle\Mine dokumenter\Mine bilder\300px-Vikingstadion1

http://C:\Documents and Settings\Arvid Støle\Mine dokumenter\Mine bilder300px-Vikingstadion1

Viking stadion 16 500
[http://www.vikinghordene.com/index/media/nov04/stadion6.jpg]

http://www.kennyconstruction.com/images/SoldierFieldDone.jpg
http://www.seatdata.com/images/venue_soldier_field/samples/sample.jpg
Soldier Field home of the first place 6-0 Chicago Bears

http://cubbiesbaseball.com/wallpaper/Wrigley.jpg
http://www.stat.ucla.edu/~bk/GW%20Home%20Run%20Mueller.jpg
http://observer.medill.northwestern.edu/301-sp06-sec01/images/Wrigley%20Crowds%20with%20tag.jpg
Wrigley Field home of bad baseball and my sad sad passion, the Chicago Cubs

http://paradoks.blog.com.mk/system/files?file=DSC00414_1.JPG
http://www.23.pl/windy_city/zdjecia/uc_aerial_2.jpg
United Center, home of the up and coming Chicago Bulls and the perpetually miserable Chicago Blackhawks

http://www.adventurist.net/baseball/us_cellular/photos/view-of-field.jpg
http://mall.ballparks.com/images/AV82.jpg
US Cellular Field, home of the 2005 World Series Champion White Sox (boo)

http://chicago.fire.mlsnet.com/t100/imgs/stadium/bridgeview/panorama.jpg
http://chicago.fire.mlsnet.com/t100/imgs/stadium/bridgeview/corner.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/illinois/bridgeview_toyota1.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/66/176448721_6368887fa7_m.jpg
Look we care about soccer! Toyota Park, home of the soon to be MLS champion Chicago Fire

http://www.kennyscollectibles.com/images/Show%20Booths/allstatearena.jpg
http://www.rachelleb.com/images/2006_05_07/mascots.jpg
Allstate Arena, home of Chicago Wolves hockey, Chicago Rush Arena Football and the DePaul University Blue Demons Men's Basketball team

http://images.yelp.com/bphoto/G-4I7H7ifb9lok4oTm9W-Q/l
http://www.wnba.com/media/chicago/uic_pavilion_inside.jpg
http://www.planet99.com/pix/14442_1.jpg
http://www.uofpp.uillinois.edu/docs/UIC/images/0638%20UIC%20Pavilion/0638I02%20PAV%20ICE%20HOCKEY.JPG
UIC Pavillion, home of the WNBA Chicago Sky, and UIC Flames athletics

http://members.toast.net/k.david/photos/Northwestern/100_0887%20Ryan%20Field.JPG
Ryan Field, home of the Northwestern Wildcats football team

Also not included is Welsh-Ryan Arena, home of Northwestern basketball

There are a couple more, but I've arleady posted way too many big pictures.

[IMG]http://chicago.fire.mlsnet.com/t100/imgs/stadium/bridgeview/panorama.jpg
http://chicago.fire.mlsnet.com/t100/imgs/stadium/bridgeview/corner.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/illinois/bridgeview_toyota1.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/66/176448721_6368887fa7_m.jpg
Look we care about soccer! Toyota Park, home of the soon to be MLS champion Chicago Fire


Tell us more about this place. Seems like the only place with any atmosphere in that city of Chicago.

Willem II stadium Tilburg 2 minute drive.
http://www.sportfotografie.nl/500px/May2004/sc-w2aj2004-000.jpg

Philips stadium Eindhoven 20 minute drive.
http://www.sektion-berlin.de/hopping/psv-willem/3.jpg

Rat Verlegh Stadium Breda, 15 minute driver.
http://www.bndestem.nl/multimedia/archive/00134/nac_stadion_____134579h.jpg

Ice stadium tilburg, 5 minute drive:
http://members.lycos.nl/angelatbnet/Diversen/IJshal02.JPG

Eindhoven also has an Icehockey stadium but I cannot find a picture.

Swimstadium Eindhoven, 20 minute drive
http://www.knzb.nl/ufc/rapid2/c33211bd832fb1fea9d191098b2fd68d/knzbhosted_sites/objects/15040d84d648dd4b593d6d5ee3fd10d7/page_bestanden/image002.jpg

It seems as if many enjoy listing their city's respective sports venues and stadia...so here it is...go wild...mention each arena, even debate which city has the best arenas (whether they are used or not is not an issue)...go WILD..not too many images and please no high res pics...just some good lists...heck..if you want to discuss sports culture go ahead.

Crazy thread!

Anyways, here's San Diego:

NFL- Qualcomm Stadium- 72,000
http://espndeportes-att.espn.go.com/2003/photos2006/0502/g_QualcommStadium_h.jpg

MLB- Petco Park- 46,000
http://www.baseball.ch/WBC/SanDiego/Petco/Petco%20Park.jpg

Indoor Arena- Cox Arena- 12,000
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/sdsu/nonsport/facilities/sdsu-cox-arena1.jpg

Indoor Arena- San Diego Sports Arena- 12,000
http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/200504/04/12/c0060412_1249222.jpg

Horse Racing- Del Mar Thoroughbred Club- 44,000
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/california/del_mar_club.jpg

Flemington Racecourse (Horse Racing) 130,000
Melbourne Cricket Ground 100,000
Albert Park F1 Circuit 80,000 (temporary)
Telstra Dome 56,000
Caulfield Racecourse (Horse Racing) 46,000
Calder Park Raceway (Motor Racing) 44,000
Optus Oval (Princes Park) 35,000 used for training
Moonee Valley (Horse Racing) 30,000
Victoria Park 27,000 not used
Moorabbin Oval 27,000 used for training
Whitten Oval 25,000 used for training
Olympic Park 20,000
Rod Laver Arena 15,000 indoor/outdoor
Bob Jane Stadium 14,000
Vodafone Arena 10,800 indoor/outdoor
Sidney Myer Music Bowl 40,000 needs to be included though mainly used for concerts.

There is lots more suburban ovals/fields and arenas for all types of codes of sport. This list is far from exhausted but shows the main ones

Some one else can produce a better list for Melbourne.

Flemington Racecourse (Horse Racing) 130,000
Melbourne Cricket Ground 100,000
Albert Park F1 Circuit 80,000 (temporary)
Telstra Dome 56,000
Caulfield Racecourse (Horse Racing) 46,000
Calder Park Raceway (Motor Racing) 44,000
Optus Oval (Princes Park) 35,000 used for training
Moonee Valley (Horse Racing) 30,000
Victoria Park 27,000 not used
Moorabbin Oval 27,000 used for training
Whitten Oval 25,000 used for training
Olympic Park 20,000
Rod Laver Arena 15,000 indoor/outdoor
Bob Jane Stadium 14,000
Vodafone Arena 10,800 indoor/outdoor
Sidney Myer Music Bowl 40,000 needs to be included though mainly used for concerts.

There is lots more suburban ovals/fields and arenas for all types of codes of sport. This list is far from exhausted but shows the main ones

Some one else can produce a better list for Melbourne.

Don't forget the stately granduer of Kooyong Tennis Center, the National Hockey Center, or Croydon's world famous Silcock Reserve (2 seats, a bit of standing, don't eat the pies).

Okay, I'll repost this list here. greater Los Angeles Area.

UCLA Bruins Pasadena Rose Bowl Stadium 92 542 1922 all-seater

Race-use Fontana California Speedway 92 109 1997 all-seater

USC Trojans Los Angeles L.A. Memorial Coliseum 92 000 1923 all-seater

Horse-Racing use Arcadia Santa Anita Park 85 000 1934 26 000

L.A. Dodgers Los Angeles Dodger Stadium 56 000 1962 all-seater

L.A. Angels of Anaheim Anaheim Angel Stadium 45 050 1966 all-seater

Horse racing Hollywood Park 80,000

Los Angeles Galaxy and Chivas Carson Home Depot Center 27 000 2003 all-seater

Horse racing and auto racing Pomona Fairplex 10,000

East L.A. College Los Angeles Weingart Stadium 22 355 1951 all-seater

horseracing Los Alamitos Racetrack 19,000

Los Angeles Lakers, Clippers, Kings and Sparks Los Angeles STAPLES Center 19 060 1999 all-seater

Basketball, hockey Los Angeles Sports Area 20,000

Anaheim Ducks Anaheim Honda Center 17 174 1993 all-seater

Hilmer Lodge Stadium Mt. San Antonio College track and field 15,000

UCLA Bruins Los Angeles Pauley Pavilion 12 800 1965 all-seater

UCLA Los Angeles Tennis center 5,800

Long Beach Ice Dogs Long Beach Long Beach Arena 11 200 1962 all-seater

UCLA Drake Stadium Track and Field 11,000

USC Trojans Los Angeles Galen Center 10 258 2006 all-seater

Fullerton State Titans Fullerton Titan Stadium 10 000 1992 all-seater

Citrus stadium Citrus college football 10,000

Santa Ana Dons Santa Ana Santa Ana Bowl 8 500 - all-seater

Tennis-use Carson The Home Depot Center 8 000 2003 all-seater

Basketball-use Anaheim Convention Center 7 400 1967 all-seater

Indoor Sports Los Angeles Grand Olympic Auditorium 7 007 1932 all-seater

Orange County Crush Costa Mesa Fairgrounds G'stand Arena 7 000 - all-seater

S.M. College Corsairs Santa Monica Corsair Stadium 6 600 1955 all-seater

R. Cucamonga Quakes R. Cucamonga The Epicenter 6 570 1993 all-seater

Multi-use Los Angeles Shrine Auditorium 6 300 1926 -

Multi-use Pico Rivera Pico Rivera Sports Arena 6 250 1978 all-seater

Multi-use Universal City Gibson Amphitheatre 6 092 1972 all-seater

Valley College Monarchs Studio City Monarch Stadium 6 000 1951 all-seater

Bren events center Irvine basketball, volleyball 5,000

Cal Poly Pomona Kellogg gymnasium basketball 4,700

Montclair Cavaliers Montclair Montclair H.S. Stadium 5 000 - all-seater

USA CSUSB Coyotes San Bernardino Arrowhead Credit Union Park 5 000 1996 -
Inland Empire 66ers San Bernardino Arrowhead Credit Union Park 5 000 1996 -

Long Beach State 49ers Long Beach Walter Pyramid 5 000 1994 all-seater

L.A. Golden Eagles Los Angeles Jesse Owens Stadium 5 000 - all-seater

Northridge State Matadors Northridge Matador Track Stadium 5 000 - nil

Home depot center tennis 8,000

Los Angeles Equestrian Center Equidome 4,000

Gersten Pavilion, LMU Volleyball, basketball, gymnastics, etc, 4,500

Home depot Velodrome cycling 2,500

I left out all the little stadia under 3,000 seats and haven't mentioned the aquatic, sailing or sculling facilities, the golf courses, or the local ski areas. We also have major beach volleyball facilities, a couple of surfing competitions, and the X-games. Would you like me to post photos? I'm afraid I will overwhelm the board if I posted photos of all of them.

I wont even embarrass myself and my city in this thread...

Okay, I'll repost this list here. greater Los Angeles Area.

UCLA Bruins Pasadena Rose Bowl Stadium 92 542 1922 all-seater

Race-use Fontana California Speedway 92 109 1997 all-seater

USC Trojans Los Angeles L.A. Memorial Coliseum 92 000 1923 all-seater

Horse-Racing use Arcadia Santa Anita Park 85 000 1934 26 000

L.A. Dodgers Los Angeles Dodger Stadium 56 000 1962 all-seater

L.A. Angels of Anaheim Anaheim Angel Stadium 45 050 1966 all-seater

Horse racing Hollywood Park 80,000

Los Angeles Galaxy and Chivas Carson Home Depot Center 27 000 2003 all-seater

Horse racing and auto racing Pomona Fairplex 10,000

East L.A. College Los Angeles Weingart Stadium 22 355 1951 all-seater

horseracing Los Alamitos Racetrack 19,000

Los Angeles Lakers, Clippers, Kings and Sparks Los Angeles STAPLES Center 19 060 1999 all-seater

Basketball, hockey Los Angeles Sports Area 20,000

Anaheim Ducks Anaheim Honda Center 17 174 1993 all-seater

Hilmer Lodge Stadium Mt. San Antonio College track and field 15,000

UCLA Bruins Los Angeles Pauley Pavilion 12 800 1965 all-seater

UCLA Los Angeles Tennis center 5,800

Long Beach Ice Dogs Long Beach Long Beach Arena 11 200 1962 all-seater

UCLA Drake Stadium Track and Field 11,000

USC Trojans Los Angeles Galen Center 10 258 2006 all-seater

Fullerton State Titans Fullerton Titan Stadium 10 000 1992 all-seater

Citrus stadium Citrus college football 10,000

Santa Ana Dons Santa Ana Santa Ana Bowl 8 500 - all-seater

Tennis-use Carson The Home Depot Center 8 000 2003 all-seater

Basketball-use Anaheim Convention Center 7 400 1967 all-seater

Indoor Sports Los Angeles Grand Olympic Auditorium 7 007 1932 all-seater

Orange County Crush Costa Mesa Fairgrounds G'stand Arena 7 000 - all-seater

S.M. College Corsairs Santa Monica Corsair Stadium 6 600 1955 all-seater

R. Cucamonga Quakes R. Cucamonga The Epicenter 6 570 1993 all-seater

Multi-use Los Angeles Shrine Auditorium 6 300 1926 -

Multi-use Pico Rivera Pico Rivera Sports Arena 6 250 1978 all-seater

Multi-use Universal City Gibson Amphitheatre 6 092 1972 all-seater

Valley College Monarchs Studio City Monarch Stadium 6 000 1951 all-seater

Bren events center Irvine basketball, volleyball 5,000

Cal Poly Pomona Kellogg gymnasium basketball 4,700

Montclair Cavaliers Montclair Montclair H.S. Stadium 5 000 - all-seater

USA CSUSB Coyotes San Bernardino Arrowhead Credit Union Park 5 000 1996 -
Inland Empire 66ers San Bernardino Arrowhead Credit Union Park 5 000 1996 -

Long Beach State 49ers Long Beach Walter Pyramid 5 000 1994 all-seater

L.A. Golden Eagles Los Angeles Jesse Owens Stadium 5 000 - all-seater

Northridge State Matadors Northridge Matador Track Stadium 5 000 - nil

Home depot center tennis 8,000

Los Angeles Equestrian Center Equidome 4,000

Gersten Pavilion, LMU Volleyball, basketball, gymnastics, etc, 4,500

Home depot Velodrome cycling 2,500

I left out all the little stadia under 3,000 seats and haven't mentioned the aquatic, sailing or sculling facilities, the golf courses, or the local ski areas. We also have major beach volleyball facilities, a couple of surfing competitions, and the X-games. Would you like me to post photos? I'm afraid I will overwhelm the board if I posted photos of all of them.


thanks SVS, i was gonna do this too, but you beat me too it. good list.

Football - Ricoh Arena - 32,500 all-seater

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/west_midlands/coventry_ricoh2.jpg

Speedway - Coventry Stadium - c.20,000

http://pix.crash.net/thumbs/12582.jpg

Rugby - Butts Stadium - 4,000 all-seater (plans for 10,000)

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/west_midlands/coventry_butts.jpg

Ice Hockey - Skydome - 3,000 all-seater

http://virtualglobetrotting.com/thumb/1/4/14955.gif

Thats all i'm afraid :ohno:

Okay, I'll repost this list here. greater Los Angeles Area.

UCLA Bruins Pasadena Rose Bowl Stadium 92 542 1922 all-seater

Race-use Fontana California Speedway 92 109 1997 all-seater

USC Trojans Los Angeles L.A. Memorial Coliseum 92 000 1923 all-seater

Horse-Racing use Arcadia Santa Anita Park 85 000 1934 26 000

L.A. Dodgers Los Angeles Dodger Stadium 56 000 1962 all-seater

L.A. Angels of Anaheim Anaheim Angel Stadium 45 050 1966 all-seater

Horse racing Hollywood Park 80,000

Los Angeles Galaxy and Chivas Carson Home Depot Center 27 000 2003 all-seater

Horse racing and auto racing Pomona Fairplex 10,000

East L.A. College Los Angeles Weingart Stadium 22 355 1951 all-seater

horseracing Los Alamitos Racetrack 19,000

Los Angeles Lakers, Clippers, Kings and Sparks Los Angeles STAPLES Center 19 060 1999 all-seater

Basketball, hockey Los Angeles Sports Area 20,000

Anaheim Ducks Anaheim Honda Center 17 174 1993 all-seater

Hilmer Lodge Stadium Mt. San Antonio College track and field 15,000

UCLA Bruins Los Angeles Pauley Pavilion 12 800 1965 all-seater

UCLA Los Angeles Tennis center 5,800

Long Beach Ice Dogs Long Beach Long Beach Arena 11 200 1962 all-seater

UCLA Drake Stadium Track and Field 11,000

USC Trojans Los Angeles Galen Center 10 258 2006 all-seater

Fullerton State Titans Fullerton Titan Stadium 10 000 1992 all-seater

Citrus stadium Citrus college football 10,000

Santa Ana Dons Santa Ana Santa Ana Bowl 8 500 - all-seater

Tennis-use Carson The Home Depot Center 8 000 2003 all-seater

Basketball-use Anaheim Convention Center 7 400 1967 all-seater

Indoor Sports Los Angeles Grand Olympic Auditorium 7 007 1932 all-seater

Orange County Crush Costa Mesa Fairgrounds G'stand Arena 7 000 - all-seater

S.M. College Corsairs Santa Monica Corsair Stadium 6 600 1955 all-seater

R. Cucamonga Quakes R. Cucamonga The Epicenter 6 570 1993 all-seater

Multi-use Los Angeles Shrine Auditorium 6 300 1926 -

Multi-use Pico Rivera Pico Rivera Sports Arena 6 250 1978 all-seater

Multi-use Universal City Gibson Amphitheatre 6 092 1972 all-seater

Valley College Monarchs Studio City Monarch Stadium 6 000 1951 all-seater

Bren events center Irvine basketball, volleyball 5,000

Cal Poly Pomona Kellogg gymnasium basketball 4,700

Montclair Cavaliers Montclair Montclair H.S. Stadium 5 000 - all-seater

USA CSUSB Coyotes San Bernardino Arrowhead Credit Union Park 5 000 1996 -
Inland Empire 66ers San Bernardino Arrowhead Credit Union Park 5 000 1996 -

Long Beach State 49ers Long Beach Walter Pyramid 5 000 1994 all-seater

L.A. Golden Eagles Los Angeles Jesse Owens Stadium 5 000 - all-seater

Northridge State Matadors Northridge Matador Track Stadium 5 000 - nil

Home depot center tennis 8,000

Los Angeles Equestrian Center Equidome 4,000

Gersten Pavilion, LMU Volleyball, basketball, gymnastics, etc, 4,500

Home depot Velodrome cycling 2,500

I left out all the little stadia under 3,000 seats and haven't mentioned the aquatic, sailing or sculling facilities, the golf courses, or the local ski areas. We also have major beach volleyball facilities, a couple of surfing competitions, and the X-games. Would you like me to post photos? I'm afraid I will overwhelm the board if I posted photos of all of them.

And how many of these are on the Westside? Hmmm? :)

j/k - LA roolz. 2016, baby!!!!

These are the professional and Division 1 collegiate facilities in Minneapolis and St Paul. This does not include the universties' baseball, softball or aquatic centers

Within Minneapolis itself:
Hubert H Humphrey Metrodome 1982
Football (Vikings, Gophers) 64,384
Baseball (Twins, MLB) 45,423
all-seater, 97 suites, 300 terrace box seats
http://www.baseballpilgrimages.com/american/metrodome.jpg
http://www.photopixels.com/skylines/images/Metrodome-8037.jpg
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/nfc/metromain.jpg

Target Center 1990
Timberwolves, Basketball, NBA 20,500
all-seater, 72 suites, 148 club seats
http://www.thesportsroadtrip.com/minngb08.jpg

Williams Arena 1928
Gophers Basketball 14,625
seats and bleachers, 19 suites
http://www.edcsolutions.com/images/wmsarena.JPG
http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/WmsA/photo.jpg

Mariucci Arena 1993
Gophers Hockey 10,000
all-seater 18 suites, 220 club seats
http://emionline.com/emiaudio/profiles/stadiumarenaprofiles/mariucci/pix/front-rink.JPG
http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/MarA/photo.jpg

Sports Pavilion 1928
Gophers Gymnastics, Wrestling, Volleyball, 7,000
bleachers

Ridder Arena 2002
Gophers Womens Hockey 3,400
seats and bleachers 9 suites, 210 club seats
http://graphics.fansonly.com/confs/wcha/graphics/w-ridder-arena.jpg

In St. Paul
Xcel Energy Center 2000
Minnesota Wild Hockey (NHL) 18,064
all-seater, 72 suites, 3,000 club seats
http://www.seatdata.com/images/venue_xcel_energy_center/samples/sample.jpg
http://www.thesportsroadtrip.com/xcel03.jpg

Midway Stadium 1982
Saint Paul Saints Baseball (minor league) 6,329
bleacher
http://www.minorleagueballparks.com/Midway98.jpg

James Griffin Stadium 1940
Minnesota Thunder Soccer (A league) 5,000
bleacher

In the near future
TCF Bank Stadium 2009, $288 million
Minnesota Gophers Football 50,000
seats and bleachers, 36 suites, 59 lodge boxes, 300 indoor club seats, 1,000 outdoor club seats.
Located on campus, across from williams arena
http://www1.umn.edu/stadium/images_stadium/west_rendering_lg.jpg
http://www1.umn.edu/stadium/images_stadium/east_rendering_lg.jpg

New Twins ballpark 2010, $522 million
Minnesota Twins (MLB) 39,000-42,000
all-seater 60 suites, 4,000-6,000 club seats
Located adjacent to Target Center in Warehouse district of Downtown

Seattle, Washington

Qwest Field (NFL)

http://evanelder.com/albums/SeattleMarch2005/dsc1278_copy.jpg

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.militaryspot.com/gallery/data/503/medium/qwest.jpg&usg=__Iq4d3hVrXtstlxoRiaxEW_a-UJY=

http://encyclopedia.quickseek.com/images/Seahawksstaduim2002clip.jpg

Safeco Field (Major League Baseball)

http://www.djc.com/special/safeco/cover.jpg

http://www.johnnyroadtrip.com/cities/seattle/images/safecooutside.jpg

http://fortes.com/2005/06/23/safeco/safecopano.jpg

Husky Stadium (NCAA Division 1 Football)

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jhaupt/images/husky.JPG

http://www.dimensional.net/images/Husky_stadium.jpg

Key Arena (NBA Basketball, WHL Amateur Hockey, Concerts)

http://static.flickr.com/51/168774466_543eba7314_m.jpg

http://www.thesportsroadtrip.com/keyarena01.jpg

Clarence S. "Hec" Edmundson Pavilion at Bank of America Arena (NCAA Division 1 Basketball, Volleyball)

http://www.greenbusch.com/images/HecEd_outside.jpg

http://www.greenbusch.com/images/HecEd_game.jpg

London (not complete)


(stadia outside London's city-limits are coloured blue, with distances to the centre of town)




Wembley Stadium - 90,000 - Football | Rugby (UC)

Twickenham - 82,000 - Rugby (UC)

Ascot Racecourse - 80,000 - Horse-Racing (30 miles from the centre of London)

Brands Hatch Circuit - 80,000 - Motor Racing (20 miles from the centre of London)

Emirates Stadium - 60,500 - Football

Stamford Bridge - 42,449 - Football

White Hart Lane - 36,214 - Football

Upton Park - 35,056 - Football

Royal Windsor Racecourse - 35,000 - Horse Racing (21 miles from the centre of London)

Lords Cricket Ground - 28,000 - Cricket

The Valley - 27,111 - Football

Selhurst Park - 26,309 - Football

Craven Cottage - 24,510 - Football

Madejski Stadium - 24,084 - Football (30 miles from the centre of London)

O2 Arena - 23,000 - Basketball | Gymnastics | Ice Hockey (UC)

The Oval - 23,000 - Cricket

Vicarage Road - 22,011 - Football (16 miles from the centre of London)

The New Den - 20,146 - Football

Loftus Road - 19,148 - Football

Earls Court Arena - 18,000 - Multi-use

Crystal Palace Stadium - 15,500 - Athletics

Matchroom Stadium - 13,842 - Football

Centre Court AEC - 13,810 - Tennis

Griffin Park - 12,763 - Football

The Stoop - 12,500 - Rugby

Wembley Arena - 12,300 - Multi-use

No.1 Court AEC - 11,429 - Tennis

Epsom Downs - 10,875 - Horse Racing (20 miles from the centre of London)

Kingsmeadow - 6,299 - Football

Victoria Road Ground - 6,000 - Football

Old Deer Park - 5,850 - Rugby

Underhill Stadium - 5,500 - Football

C.P National Sports Centre - 3,500 - Basketball

No.2 Court AEC - 3,000 - Tennis

Okay, I'll repost this list here. greater Los Angeles Area.

UCLA Bruins Pasadena Rose Bowl Stadium 92 542 1922 all-seater

Race-use Fontana California Speedway 92 109 1997 all-seater

USC Trojans Los Angeles L.A. Memorial Coliseum 92 000 1923 all-seater

Horse-Racing use Arcadia Santa Anita Park 85 000 1934 26 000

L.A. Dodgers Los Angeles Dodger Stadium 56 000 1962 all-seater

L.A. Angels of Anaheim Anaheim Angel Stadium 45 050 1966 all-seater

Horse racing Hollywood Park 80,000

Los Angeles Galaxy and Chivas Carson Home Depot Center 27 000 2003 all-seater

Horse racing and auto racing Pomona Fairplex 10,000

East L.A. College Los Angeles Weingart Stadium 22 355 1951 all-seater

horseracing Los Alamitos Racetrack 19,000

Los Angeles Lakers, Clippers, Kings and Sparks Los Angeles STAPLES Center 19 060 1999 all-seater

Basketball, hockey Los Angeles Sports Area 20,000

Anaheim Ducks Anaheim Honda Center 17 174 1993 all-seater

Hilmer Lodge Stadium Mt. San Antonio College track and field 15,000

UCLA Bruins Los Angeles Pauley Pavilion 12 800 1965 all-seater

UCLA Los Angeles Tennis center 5,800

Long Beach Ice Dogs Long Beach Long Beach Arena 11 200 1962 all-seater

UCLA Drake Stadium Track and Field 11,000

USC Trojans Los Angeles Galen Center 10 258 2006 all-seater

Fullerton State Titans Fullerton Titan Stadium 10 000 1992 all-seater

Citrus stadium Citrus college football 10,000

Santa Ana Dons Santa Ana Santa Ana Bowl 8 500 - all-seater

Tennis-use Carson The Home Depot Center 8 000 2003 all-seater

Basketball-use Anaheim Convention Center 7 400 1967 all-seater

Indoor Sports Los Angeles Grand Olympic Auditorium 7 007 1932 all-seater

Orange County Crush Costa Mesa Fairgrounds G'stand Arena 7 000 - all-seater

S.M. College Corsairs Santa Monica Corsair Stadium 6 600 1955 all-seater

R. Cucamonga Quakes R. Cucamonga The Epicenter 6 570 1993 all-seater

Multi-use Los Angeles Shrine Auditorium 6 300 1926 -

Multi-use Pico Rivera Pico Rivera Sports Arena 6 250 1978 all-seater

Multi-use Universal City Gibson Amphitheatre 6 092 1972 all-seater

Valley College Monarchs Studio City Monarch Stadium 6 000 1951 all-seater

Bren events center Irvine basketball, volleyball 5,000

Cal Poly Pomona Kellogg gymnasium basketball 4,700

Montclair Cavaliers Montclair Montclair H.S. Stadium 5 000 - all-seater

USA CSUSB Coyotes San Bernardino Arrowhead Credit Union Park 5 000 1996 -
Inland Empire 66ers San Bernardino Arrowhead Credit Union Park 5 000 1996 -

Long Beach State 49ers Long Beach Walter Pyramid 5 000 1994 all-seater

L.A. Golden Eagles Los Angeles Jesse Owens Stadium 5 000 - all-seater

Northridge State Matadors Northridge Matador Track Stadium 5 000 - nil

Home depot center tennis 8,000

Los Angeles Equestrian Center Equidome 4,000

Gersten Pavilion, LMU Volleyball, basketball, gymnastics, etc, 4,500

Home depot Velodrome cycling 2,500

I left out all the little stadia under 3,000 seats and haven't mentioned the aquatic, sailing or sculling facilities, the golf courses, or the local ski areas. We also have major beach volleyball facilities, a couple of surfing competitions, and the X-games. Would you like me to post photos? I'm afraid I will overwhelm the board if I posted photos of all of them.


LA Forum you can also add as this is used or not as mo pointed out. I am sure londoners would use a millienium dome which is being redeveloped, A new wembley stadium that is not open yet and a main olympic stadium that is breaking ground soon lol.

jim jones

Not the biggest town (50k odd) so doesn't have many sport stadiums but here are the main three.

Starks Park 10,140
Home to Raith Rovers Football Club

http://www.fife.police.uk/images/starks.jpg

Fife Ice Arena 3,500
Home to Fife Flyers Ice Hockey Club. Oldest ice hockey stadium in Britian.

Large Picture (http://www.glenrothescougars.co.uk/images/Copy_of_insiderink2.jpg)

Beverage Park 500ish
Home to Kirkcaldy Rugby Football Club

Couldn't find a picture.

Everyone else is posting photos so here goes.

UCLA Bruins Pasadena Rose Bowl Stadium 92 542 1922 all-seater
http://boifromtroy.com/archives/rose%20bowl%20aerial.jpg

Race-use Fontana California Speedway 92 109 1997 all-seater
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/california/fontana_speedway2.jpg

USC Trojans Los Angeles L.A. Memorial Coliseum 92 000 1923 all-seater
http://www.jgminc.com/Images/Civic/Memorial_Col/Memorial_Col%20copy.jpg

Horse-Racing use Arcadia Santa Anita Park 85 000 1934 26 000
http://www.oaktreeracing.com/i/santaanita.jpghttp://horseracing.about.com/library/graphics/BuenaVistaWins.jpg

L.A. Dodgers Los Angeles Dodger Stadium 56 000 1962 all-seater
http://www.geocities.com/los_angeles_coast/Los_Angeles_Dodger_Stadium_Aerial2.jpg

L.A. Angels of Anaheim Anaheim Angel Stadium 45 050 1966 all-seater
http://www.ballparks.com/baseball/american/anahei70.jpg

Horse racing Hollywood Park 80,000
http://home.earthlink.net/~orngaclorngio/Hollywood%20Park%20450x300.JPG

Los Angeles Galaxy and Chivas Carson Home Depot Center 27 000 2003 all-seater
http://www.homedepotcentertickets.com/images/home-depot-center.gif

Horse racing and auto racing Pomona Fairplex Park 10,000
http://www.nhra.com/events/1999/race1/pomona.jpg
http://lacountyfair.com/fp/horseracing/images/pic2hr.jpg

East L.A. College Los Angeles Weingart Stadium 22 355 1951 all-seater

horseracing Los Alamitos Racetrack 19,000
http://www.ci.cypress.ca.us/community_develpmnt/redevelopment/images/race_track.jpg

Los Angeles Lakers, Clippers, Kings and Sparks Los Angeles STAPLES Center 19 060 1999 all-seater
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/pho/AAGK194~Staples-Center-04-Playoffs-Photofile-Posters.jpg

Basketball, hockey Los Angeles Sports Area 20,000
http://hockey.ballparks.com/NHL/LosAngelesKings/oldfront.gif

Fabulous forum Inglewood former home of Lakers 19,000
http://www.mindspring.com/~jbeven/lagwf.jpg

Anaheim Ducks Anaheim Honda Center 17 174 1993 all-seater
http://www.vanguard.edu/uploadedImages/PR/vtour/pond.jpg

Hilmer Lodge Stadium Mt. San Antonio College track and field 15,000
http://www.ksak.com/images/scrapbook/football/fb02.jpg

UCLA Bruins Los Angeles Pauley Pavilion 12 800 1965 all-seater
http://www.recreation.ucla.edu/site_images/PauleyGame.jpg

Los Angeles Swimming Stadium used for 1932 OLympics.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/CCR/images/ss.gif

UCLA Los Angeles Tennis center 5,800
http://www.lakertickets.com/ucla.jpg

Long Beach Ice Dogs Long Beach Long Beach Arena 11 200 1962 all-seater
http://home.earthlink.net/~lbpac/lalbarena_other.jpg

UCLA Drake Stadium Track and Field 11,000
http://www.trackshark.com/photos/2005/pac10/slides/05%20PAC-10%20DRAKE%20STADIUM2%20KL.JPG

USC Trojans Los Angeles Galen Center 10 258 2006 all-seater
http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/usc/graphics/facilities/galen-interior.jpg

Fullerton State Titans Fullerton Titan Stadium 10 000 1992 all-seater
http://www.netitor.com/photos/schools/csfu/galleries/facilities_2006/newtitanstadium-lg.jpg

USC MacDonald's swimming center used to host 1984 OLympics
http://static.flickr.com/40/83286863_a9b7fd8d44_m.jpg

Citrus stadium Citrus college football 10,000

Long Beach Grand Prix
http://cms.longbeach.gov/aboutlb/gallery/images/tourism_granprix_lrg.jpg

Santa Ana Dons Santa Ana Santa Ana Bowl Eddie West Field 8 500 - all-seater
http://virtualglobetrotting.com/thumb/1/2/12405.gif

Tennis-Carson The Home Depot Center 8 000 2003 all-seater
The tennis stadium is the smaller of the two facilities. The other is the soccer stadium.
http://www.jpmorganchaseopen.com/images/homedepot_photo.jpg

Basketball-use Anaheim Convention Center 7 400 1967 all-seater
http://www.ronsaari.com/stockImages/googie/anaheimConventionCenter.jpg

Indoor Sports/wrestling Los Angeles Grand Olympic Auditorium 7 007 1932 all-seater
http://www.socaluncensored.com/hof/grandoly.jpg

Orange County Crush Costa Mesa Fairgrounds G'stand Arena 7 000 - all-seater

S.M. College Corsairs Santa Monica Corsair Stadium 6 600 1955 all-seater
http://www.smmirror.com/volume2/issue21/images/smc_football3.jpg

R. Cucamonga Quakes R. Cucamonga The Epicenter 6 570 1993 all-seater
http://www.citivu.com/rc/city/epicntr1.jpg

Multi-use Los Angeles Shrine Auditorium 6 300 1926 -
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/6/61/Postcard-ca-los-angeles-shrine-auditorium.jpg

Azusa Pacific Cougar Stadium
http://www.combines.com/images/apu_cougar_stadium.jpg

Multi-use Pico Rivera Pico Rivera Sports Arena 6 250 1978 all-seater
Mexican style rodeo
http://www.decharros.com/images/adt/may06/rafa_pial.jpg

Multi-use Universal City Gibson Amphitheatre 6 092 1972 all-seater
http://www.hob.com/pics/venues/common/gibson_140.gif

Valley College Monarchs Studio City Monarch Stadium 6 000 1951 all-seater
http://www.lavc.edu/Athletics/images/stripe.jpg

Bren events center Irvine basketball, volleyball 5,000
http://www.topviewsoftware.com/shared/Top%20View%20-%20Roofing%20Software%20for%20Professionals%20images/BREN-center.gif

Cal Poly Pomona Kellogg gymnasium basketball 4,700

Montclair Cavaliers Montclair Montclair H.S. Stadium 5 000 - all-seater

USA CSUSB Coyotes San Bernardino Arrowhead Credit Union Park 5 000 1996 -
Inland Empire 66ers San Bernardino Arrowhead Credit Union Park 5 000 1996 -
http://athletics.csusb.edu/images/facilities/facilities-arrowheadpark2.jpg

Long Beach State 49ers Long Beach Walter Pyramid 5 000 1994 all-seater
http://www.doshinmartialarts.com/pyramid1.jpg

L.A. Golden Eagles Los Angeles Jesse Owens Stadium 5 000 - all-seater

Northridge State Matadors Northridge Matador Track Stadium 5 000 - nil
http://www.csun.edu/outreach/images/field.jpg

Los Angeles Equestrian Center Equidome 4,000
http://www.woodlandoaksranch.com/images/LA-Preview-Equidome-LAHSA-RD-1-Jr-Sr.Thur-Nov10-05DSC_1580.jpg

Gersten Pavilion, LMU Volleyball, basketball, gymnastics, etc, 4,500
http://mirrorimageorigin.collegepublisher.com/media/paper803/stills/4r065603.gif

Home depot Velodrome cycling 2,500
http://www.stadia.tv/archive/images/HomeDepotVelodrome.jpg

Santa Monica City College Aquatic Center
http://www.smc.edu/standard/images_04/smc_pool.jpg

X-games Los Angeles
http://www.skatelog.com/photos/xgames/2004/summer/venue-1091757440-400x219.jpg

Beach Volleyball Championships Hermosa Beach
http://www.hermosawave.net/net/AVP98/sunday/lewisswatik.jpg

Competitive Bodybuilding at Muscle Beach Venice
http://p.vtourist.com/1757188-Venice_Muscle_Beach-Venice.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/subjiminal/ran/IMG_0076.jpg

sailing facilities and marinas
http://www.sailtimechannelislands.com/Resources/boatsb.jpeg

and of course, there are the surfing beaches and competitions
http://www.jellyfishproductions.net/sitebuilder/images/TimC4-395x268.jpg

And of course there are more than 50 golf courses, the one below is the Trump National course that over looks the Pacific. How many big cities can match that!
http://images.usatoday.com/money/_photos/2004/09/10/trump-golfcourse.jpg

Mountain High Ski Resort. Yes there is skiing within Los Angeles County.
http://www.skipressworld.com/images/daily_news/2005/07/ski%20press%20-%20mt.%20high.jpg

List of sports venues in Chicago:

1. Soldier Field-65000-football stadium
2. Ryan Field-48000-football stadium
3. Wrigley Field-41000-baseball stadium
4. US Cellular Field-40000-baseball stadium
5. United Centre-24000-sports arena
6. Toyota Park-20000-soccer stadium
7. Allstate Arena-16500-sports arena
8. Emil & Patricia Jones Convocation Centre-7000-sports arena
9. UIC Pavillion-7000-sports arena

Hannover, Germany:

AWD Arena 48.933
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/germany/niedersachsen/hannover_awd_arena1.jpg
http://www.hbmbau.de/_HBM/Album/e06f4191-a034-44b2-8d26-33e8480b0c12.jpg

Eilenriedestadion 21.000
http://www.bdfl.de/typo3temp/pics/413a993c91.jpg

Rudolf Kalweit Stadion 18.000
http://www.stadionfuehrer.de/deutschland_stadion_arminiahannover.jpg

TUI Arena 14.000
http://www.hannover-scorpions.com/bilder/ARENA.JPG

AWD Hall (Stadionsporthalle) 5.000
http://www.hannoverroyals.de/modules/Static_Docs/data/ncm2003/stadionhalle1.jpg

Eisstadion am Pferdeturm 4.000
http://www.hockeyarenas.net/hockeyarenas/stadien_5/de/hanno/hannover3.jpg

Pferderennbahn Hannover ?
http://www.nordmedia.de/scripts/getdata.php3?id=8654&THUMB=YES&SCALED=YES&DWIDTH=340

Atlanta, Georgia:

Georgia Dome-71554 Domed Stadium
Bobby Dodd Stadium, Georgia Tech-55000-Football Stadium
Turner Field-53000-Baseball Stadium
Philips Arena-18729-Indoor arena
Herndon Stadium, Morris Brown College-15000-Football Stadium
Alexander Memorial Coliseum-9191
Stone Mountain Tennis Stadiums-8200-Tennis stadium
Frank L. Forbes Arena, Morehouse College-6000-Indoor Arena
Clark Atlanta Stadium-5000
GSU Sports Arena-4500-Indoor Arena
Georgia Tech Aquatic Center-2000 Swimming venue

Lisbon,Portugal

Da Luz Stadium-65 647

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Estadio_da_Luz.jpg/800px-Estadio_da_Luz.jpg

Alvalade XII Stadium-50 300

http://www.portugoal.net/images/stadiums/AlvaladeXXI_4.jpg

Race-use Fernanda Pires da Silva-65 647

http://www.circuito-estoril.pt/modules/4nAlbum/album/Autodromo/06JG4983.JPG

Nacional Stadium-39 000

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/POR/Jamor5.jpg

Restelo Stadium-32 500

http://jotedigo.blogs.sapo.pt/arquivo/restelo2.JPG

Tapadinha Stadium-15 000

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/lisbon_tapadinha.jpg

Atlantic Pavillion-12 000

http://www.iticse05.unl.pt/images/lisb67.jpg

Court Central-10 000

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/48/139300978_b3710d74b3.jpg?v=0

Campo Pequeno-10 000

http://static.flickr.com/55/149636258_e565c6fdd8.jpg

Universitary Stadium-8 000

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/97/255866899_abbfc086a9.jpg?v=0

Açoreana Seguros Pavillion-7 000

http://www.slbenfica.pt/Imagens/25567.jpg

Pina Manique Stadium-5 000

http://www.inoxnet.com/casapia-ac/images/CesarIria.jpg

:):)

Ralph Wilson Stadium (Formerly Rich Stadium)
Capacity: 73,967 (80,290 before renovation)
Suites: 164
Club seats: 6,878 (all heated)
http://www.emkayusa.com/misc/goaline.jpg
http://www.seatdata.com/images/venue_ralph_wilson_stadium/samples/sample.jpg

UB Stadium
Capacity: 29,013
Suites: 12
http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~dgmarin/Buffalo_Bills_018.jpg
http://www.ubathletics.buffalo.edu/venues/pics/stadium-turf.jpg

HSBC Arena
Capacity 18,690 (hockey)
Suites: 80
http://www.city-data.com/cpicv/vfiles15499.jpg
http://www.emkayusa.com/misc/Sabres.jpg

Dunn Tire Park
Capacity: 18,025 seated, 150 standing (Formerly 19,500 20,500 21,050 20,900 yeah...It's been changed a few times)
Suites: 14
http://www.buffpics.com/dunnpark.jpg
http://minors.mlbcontrol.net/images/2006/02/06/zqeqfMOf.jpg
http://www.small-parks.com/DunnTire4.JPG

Buffalo Memorial Auditorium (Demolition pending :( )
Capacity: 16,433
Suites: 16
http://www.emkayusa.com/misc/pecagoal.jpg

Alumni Arena
Capacity: 6,100
http://www.buffalo.edu/buildings/photos/00013069-alumni1.jpg

Sydney:

Telstra Stadium (83,500)
Aussie Stadium (41,159)
North Sydney Oval (20,000)
Oki Jubilee Stadium (20,000)
Credit Union Australia Stadium Penrith (21,000)
Toyota Park (21,000)
Brookvale Oval (22,000)
Sydney Cricket Ground (44,000)
Sydney Superdome (21,000)
Sydney Olympic Park Tennis Centre (16,000)
Sydney Olympic Park Hockey Centre (15,000)
Sydney Showground
State Sports Centre
Sydney Entertainment Centre
Belmore Park

# Dunc Gray Velodrome: Track Cycling
# Sydney International Shooting Centre: Shooting
# Sydney International Equestrian Centre: Equestrian
# Sydney International Regatta Centre: Rowing, Sprint Canoeing
# Blacktown Olympic Centre: Baseball, Softball
# Mountain Bike Course, Fairfield City Farm: Mountain Biking
# Ryde Aquatic Leisure Centre: Water Polo
# Penrith Whitewater Stadium: Slalom Canoeing
#Sydney International Aquatic Centre
#Sydney Baseball Stadium (Sydney showground) (15,000)
#State Hockey Centre

Nice on SE9 but you forgot some pictures.

London (not complete)


(stadia outside London's city-limits are coloured blue, with distances to the centre of town)

[list]

Wembley Stadium - 90,000 - Football | Rugby (UC)
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d157/Ginola90/373515115_2831dfced3_b.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d157/Ginola90/373515101_6361e6d6c6_b.jpg

Twickenham - 82,000 - Rugby (UC)
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9328/1010136iy1.jpg

Ascot Racecourse - 80,000 - Horse-Racing (30 miles from the centre of London)
http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/graphics/lge_bc_photo-ascot-raceCourse_600x399.jpg

Brands Hatch Circuit - 80,000 - Motor Racing (20 miles from the centre of London)
http://www.wsr-racing.com/photos/pics/Brands%20Hatch%20paddock.jpg

Emirates Stadium - 60,500 - Football
http://static.flickr.com/103/316601140_e782a852e3_b.jpg

Stamford Bridge - 42,449 - Football
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/london/london_stamford_bridge1.jpg
http://www001.upp.so-net.ne.jp/takebou/img_0675.JPG

White Hart Lane - 36,214 - Football
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/london/london_white_hart_lane1.jpg
http://images.skysports.com/images/stadia/6.jpg
http://www.svenskafans.com/image/1/9931.jpg

Upton Park - 35,056 - Football
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/ENG/Boleyn_Ground_A2.jpg
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/park/yfh45/westham29.jpg
Royal Windsor Racecourse - 35,000 - Horse Racing (21 miles from the centre of London)
http://www.riverthames.co.uk/cms/userdata/thingstodo/windsorracecourse.jpg

Lords Cricket Ground - 28,000 - Cricket
http://www.activitysuperstore.com/pictures/pics_large/FHAI.jpg

The Valley - 27,111 - Football
http://images.skysports.com/images/stadia/33.jpg

Selhurst Park - 26,309 - Football
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/london/london_selhurst_park1.jpg
http://www.holmesdale.net/downloads/wallpapers/wallpaper7_800.jpg

Craven Cottage - 24,510 - Football
http://www.urban75.org/london/images/thames05.jpg
http://www.nordostfussball.de/stadien/steuropa/eng_craven_cottage/fulham01.jpg
http://www.thekua.com/sista/wp-content/Foot04.JPG

Madejski Stadium - 24,084 - Football (30 miles from the centre of London)
http://www.btinternet.com/~rfc1871/madejskistadium/madstad1.jpg
http://www.qpr.premiumtv.co.uk/javaImages/c9/1a/0,,~269001,00.jpg

O2 Arena - 23,000 - Basketball | Gymnastics | Ice Hockey (UC)
http://www.greenwichpeninsula.co.uk/images/cgi/o2.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/74/169761410_3f6d0ab6b8_o.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/64/169760525_2cc649dce0_o.jpg

The Oval - 23,000 - Cricket
http://*************************/london/jpgs/brit_oval_london_miller.jpg

Vicarage Road - 22,011 - Football (16 miles from the centre of London)
http://www.bsad.org/bits/vic_road.jpg
http://www.watfordfc.premiumtv.co.uk/javaImages/e2/3/0,,10400~459746,00.jpg

The New Den - 20,146 - Football
http://www.mikefloate.clara.co.uk/millwallnewden.jpg

Loftus Road - 19,148 - Football
http://www.bgfans.com/images/stadiums/Loftus_Road.jpg
http://images.skysports.com/images/stadia/52.jpg

Earls Court Arena - 18,000 - Multi-use
http://www.thealarmclock.com/mt/archives/earls%20court.jpg

Crystal Palace Stadium - 15,500 - Athletics
http://www.crystal.dircon.co.uk/images/sports2.jpg

Matchroom Stadium - 13,842 - Football
http://www.dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/park/yfh45/orient8.jpg

Someone please do the rest, my eyes are killing me.

Centre Court AEC - 13,810 - Tennis
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/tennis/2002/wimbledon/news/2002/06/19/mens_prvw_archive/wimbledon.jpg

Griffin Park - 12,763 - Football
http://www.fanzone.co.uk/Images/Stadia/English_Football/griffin_park.jpg
http://images.skysports.com/images/stadia/94.jpg

The Stoop - 12,500 - Rugby
http://www.rfu.com/images/webcam_images/east_view1_1205.jpg
http://www.england-rugby.com/EnglandRugby/images/News/P_The_Stoop.jpg

Wembley Arena - 12,300 - Multi-use
http://static.flickr.com/44/145279778_add4074a5c.jpg

No.1 Court AEC - 11,429 - Tennis
http://www.solarnavigator.net/sport/sport_images/wimbledon_number_one_court_1.jpg

Epsom Downs - 10,875 - Horse Racing (20 miles from the centre of London)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39125000/jpg/_39125317_carson_al300.jpg

Kingsmeadow - 6,299 - Football
http://www.thefansstadium.org/press/images/fansqueueweb.jpg
http://www.kingston.gov.uk/kingsmeadow_-_web.jpg

Victoria Road Ground - 6,000 - Football


Old Deer Park - 5,850 - Rugby


Underhill Stadium - 5,500 - Football

C.P National Sports Centre - 3,500 - Basketball

No.2 Court AEC - 3,000 - Tennis

Well, after an interesting night and morning (This morning I woke up after a dream and then noticed that had all this red crap every. In my hair and just about every where on my pillow. At first, it will sound stupid when I say this but if you were in the same situation you'd most probably have thought the same, I thought I had my brains blown out, the food really was a bit like brains. I then started screaming "wtf is this? DAD! DAD! DAD!!!! what the fucking hell is happening", like a monge. Dad came in said and then he told me and finally the penny had dropped, I threw up in my sleep.Half way through rincing my hair, in the shower, my eye sight fucked up. I went partly blind and everything was all fuzzy. I screamed out for dad, again, and he told me to sit down which I did on your cream chair. Dad then ran me a bath which I thoroughly enjoyed) I've manage to find most of the pictures :banana:

London is the sporting capital of the World.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d157/Ginola90/hoff-dance.gif

Anyway, in a hurry must dash :goodbye:

Rugby - Butts Stadium - 4,000 all-seater (plans for 10,000)

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/west_midlands/coventry_butts.jpg



There are plans for an expansion to 10,000? do you no any links to this info?

Alamodome -cap. 66,000+
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/8182/sd530224ce0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5668/alamodomewf4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4599/dome2ae6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5691/sa7br0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Alamo Stadium 23,000 San Antonio High School Football
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/2756/sd530274bn6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
AT&T Center....Was SBC Center....cap. 18,500
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/3210/sbccenter600jr8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
2005 NBA Champions
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2381/sbcwingk8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9886/sbcwideup5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Freeman Coliseum - cap. 8,600
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7527/freemanzj5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Wolffe Stadium - 10,000?
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1496/missionsfromcf640tol6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Retama Park - Horse Racing 10,000+
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/672/track2si4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Atlanta, GA

Turner Field (Baseball, former Olympic Stadium)
http://i2.tinypic.com/s63rib.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/41/121576192_4c8683354f.jpg
http://www.baseballgloves.com/turner1.jpg

Georgia Dome (NFL)
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/nfc/georgiamain2.jpg
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/nfc/georgiamain.jpg

Phillips Arena (NBA, NHL)
http://www.gamedayauction.com/images/gameday/teams/NHL_Thrashers_Phillips_Arena.jpg
http://users.ece.gatech.edu/takgun/images/arena_downby2.jpg

Atlanta Motor Speedway
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/georgia/hampton_speedway1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/georgia/hampton_speedway2.jpg

Bobby Dodd Stadium (NCAA Football)
http://football.ballparks.com/NCAA/ACC/GeorgiaTech/aerial.gif

Alexander Memorial Coliseum (NCAA Basketball)
http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/media_content/m-8183.jpg

What is the story with alot of the indoor stadia in Europe having the stands shaped in an oval shape? Is it for indoor athletics? That has to suck watching a basketball game from one of the ends?

Also, the roof over some of the stands at Toyota Park in Chicago. Does that actually perform any function? lol

Viking stadion (Stavanger)
http://www.stadiumguide.com/vikingstadion1.jpg
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:vw4kxdlVDRZMiM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/03/Stavanger_Stadion_-_Airphoto.JPG
16 100 seats.

Montreal Sports Venues:

Olympic Stadium-67000
Molson Stadium-20000 (35000 in the future)
Bell Centre-21273
Saputo Stadium-13500
Stade Uniprix-12000
Claude Robillard Stadium-13000
Etienne Desmarteau Centre-5000
Maurice Richard Arena-4750
Concordia Stadium-4000
Olympic Pool-3012
Centre Pierre Charbonneau-2700
Winter Stadium-2461
Olympic Rowing Basin, Notre Dame Island

the old and ugly mestalla
http://usuarios.lycos.es/pasionche/P9240131.JPG

the new mestalla (75.000)
http://publicacion.lasprovincias.es/interactivo/imagenes_galerias/nuevoestadio/imagenes/026_111106.jpg
http://www.valenciacf.es/images/noticias/NuevoEstadio/VAlenciaCFestadiox01.jpg

http://www.fcbfiles.com/fcbd/fcbd/stadion/images/stadion/fpanolucht/pl2.jpg

Jan Breydelstadion, Bruges, Belgium. Built 1975, expanded 1999. Original capacity: 32,000. Currently approx. 29,200.

http://www.blue-army.com/mm/BekijkBestand.php?mediaID=4445&small=yes

Many more photos can be posted, of other tifos, views, flagdays, of the kop with scarfs raised... or the impressive list of victories in European cups :) in finals and semi-finals... CL... against Real Madrid, Olympique Lyon, Borussia Dortmund, Ajax Amsterdam, Galatasaray etcetera etcetera...

Two teams play at the ground: Club Brugge (13x champion, 9x cup winner, UEFA Cup finalist in 1976, Champions' Cup finalist in 1978, both finals played against Liverpool) and Cercle Brugge (3x champion, 2x cup winner). Club Brugge want to build a new 40,000-seater by 2012-2013.

Some Twin Cities stadiums and arenas that were missed in earlier posts:
Ridder Arena & Baseline Tennis Center (Women's NCAA Hockey; Tennis) - 3,400
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5374/riddergameod5.jpg
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/1613/ridderextko8.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/230/rinkml3.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7541/venueridder01jt3.jpg

James Griffin Stadium (Minnesota Thunder and Minnesota Lightning[minor league soccer]; Small College/High School Teams) - 4,600
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5003/griffinoverheadpz7.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8063/mainfield2yg9.jpg

William Arena (NCAA Basketball) - 16,000
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7156/williamsarenatickets02bk5.jpg
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5897/venuewilliams01hy6.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9831/uigidikosivrqrr20060530tr6.jpg

Elizabeth Lyle Robbie Stadium (NCAA Soccer) - 1,000
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4983/elizabethlylead2.jpg

Mariucci Arena (Men's NCAA Hockey) - 10,000
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1291/mariuccitickets01mh0.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2605/mariuccitickets02vr5.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6522/venuemariucci01xt8.jpg

National Sports Center (Huge Sports Complex in Twin Cities' suburb of Blaine, capable of hosting multiple events of different sports at once) - No Stated Capacity (http://www.nscsports.org/)

Midway Stadium (St. Paul Saints minor league baseball) - 6,000
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8702/midwayvv8.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7418/midwayairyk0.jpg

Sports Pavilion (NCAA) - 5,700
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9214/psupavik6.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7357/sportspavilionav8.jpg
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9499/venuepavilion01ni6.jpg

Kansas City:

Truman Sports Complex (Football/Soccer and Baseball)
Arrowhead Stadium : 79,000 seats
Kauffman Stadium: 40,000 seats
http://www.kcskyscrapers.com/albums/trumansc/trumancomplex_001.jpg

Municipal Auditorium: 9,000 seats
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Kc-memorial-auditorium.jpg/300px-Kc-memorial-auditorium.jpg http://www.kcmo.org/kc150/19350070b.jpg

Kemper Arena 19,500 seats:
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/kcomaha/KemperKC.jpg

Sprint Center Arena (under construction) 18,000 seats:
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/5/55/300px-Sprint-center.jpg

Williams arena seats 14,625 for basketball, not 16,000. Also The Metrodome (64,384 for football, 45,00 for baseball), Target Center (20,500 for basketball), U of M Aquatic Center (2,546) and the Beirman track (4,000, temporary seating for 12,000) are worth noting for the city of Minneapolis.

Williams arena seats 14,625 for basketball, not 16,000.

I forgot to mention that 16,000 includes standing room only areas.

Bristol Speedway Seating 160,000 around a half mile (about 800m) track. The track owner wanted to have a College football game in the infield. If stands were put on the track attendance could have been around 200,000 seated in my estimate. The game will probably never take place though.:ohno:

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/tennessee/bristol_speedway1.jpg
http://www.bristolmotorspeedway.com/images/gallery/start2%2Ejpg
http://www.bristolmotorspeedway.com/images/gallery/pre%5Frace%2Ejpg
http://www.bristolmotorspeedway.com/images/gallery/wide%5Fangle%2Ejpg
http://www.bristolmotorspeedway.com/images/gallery/fans1%2Ejpg
http://www.bristolmotorspeedway.com/images/gallery/american%5Fflag%2Ejpg
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

I don't know how people can sit and watch cars go round an oval for ages.
Atleast F1/Rally etc. have more than two turns!

In cardiff;wales

Millenium Stadium-75000, national rugby and football stadium-Right in the city centre

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/park/yfh45/millblu1.jpg
http://www.bigcardiff.co.uk/_images/photos/postcard_1_1091620690.jpg

'Fortress' Ninian Park-Football, 20,000 capacity, once held over 60,000.

http://www.yfh45.dial.pipex.com/cardiff30.jpg

Sophia Gardens-Cricket. Currently being renovated up to 15,000 for 2009

http://cricketarchive.com/Glamorgan/Gallery/0/347.html

Arms Park, adjacent the Millenium stadium. Home of Cardiff Rugby club. Holds about 1300

http://www.cardiffrfc.com/Uploads/ACF516.jpg

There is also a small athletics stadium, and the Ice Hockey arena, both of which hold 2-3000 and I cant find images for.

"I don't know how people can sit and watch cars go round an oval for ages.
Atleast F1/Rally etc. have more than two turns!"

Amen to that!

Belgrade, Serbia

Belgrade Arena

With the total space that covers 48,000 square metres, and a total capacity of up to 23,000 seats (for handball events; standard 20,000 seats), it is among biggest sport arenas in Europe. Its cost is estimated at €70 million.

http://i17.tinypic.com/2r5gmfk.jpg
http://i10.tinypic.com/6f6rozq.jpg
http://i11.tinypic.com/4u9w50p.jpg

Red Star Stadium "Marakana"

The Red Star Stadium, also known as the Stadion Crvena Zvezda is a multi-use stadium in Belgrade, Serbia.

http://i16.tinypic.com/67xlnd1.jpg

Partizan Stadium

Partizan Stadium is the football and athletic stadium in Belgrade owned by Partizan.

Reconstruction/Construction

Reconstruction of Partizan Stadium will start 2007. Swiss architectural giant "Marazzi General Contractors" will carry out the works of the reconstruction and construction of the stadium.

The project will start on the 1st of August 2007 and up to that date the old stadium wil be torn down. The value of the entire project is about 300m EUR and it is estimated that the construction will last for 2 years.

The new stadium will be erected on 12.5 hectars of space, it will be able to hold 37,000 spectators and will be encompassed with a 5-star hotel, huge business center beneath the surface of the ground, two-story parking, multiplex cinema, nine tennis courts and about 400 apartments.

http://i14.tinypic.com/678aqms.jpg

I don't know how people can sit and watch cars go round an oval for ages.
Atleast F1/Rally etc. have more than two turns!

Looks like people just go there to celebrate their country...:bash:

I don't know how people can sit and watch cars go round an oval for ages.
Atleast F1/Rally etc. have more than two turns!

Because the racing is very close, and anyone can win. That said, I'm not a fan.

I posted this in the other thread, but I'll post it here too...

Ralph Wilson Stadium (Formerly Rich Stadium)
Capacity: 73,967 (80,290 before renovation)
Suites: 164
Club seats: 6,878 (all heated)
http://www.emkayusa.com/misc/goaline.jpg
http://www.seatdata.com/images/venue_ralph_wilson_stadium/samples/sample.jpg

UB Stadium
Capacity: 29,013
Suites: 12
http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~dgmarin/Buffalo_Bills_018.jpg
http://www.ubathletics.buffalo.edu/venues/pics/stadium-turf.jpg

HSBC Arena
Capacity 18,690 (hockey)
Suites: 80
http://www.emkayusa.com/misc/hsbcwide.jpg
http://www.emkayusa.com/misc/Sabres.jpg

Dunn Tire Park
Capacity: 18,025 seated, 150 standing (Formerly 19,500 20,500 21,050 20,900 yeah...It's been changed a few times)
Suites: 14
http://www.buffpics.com/dunnpark.jpg
http://minors.mlbcontrol.net/images/2006/02/06/zqeqfMOf.jpg
http://www.small-parks.com/DunnTire4.JPG

Buffalo Memorial Auditorium (Demolition pending :( )
Capacity: 16,433
Suites: 16
http://www.emkayusa.com/misc/oranges.jpg
http://www.emkayusa.com/misc/pecagoal.jpg

Alumni Arena
Capacity: 6,100
http://www.buffalo.edu/buildings/photos/00013069-alumni1.jpg

Edinburgh - Scotland

Murrayfield - Rugby Union - Scotland Rugby Union / Edinburgh Rugby (67,500)

http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_buildings_g/0_buildings_-_murrayfield_stadium_1zm12.jpg
http://www.rampantscotland.com/murrayfield1a.jpg
http://www.eventsinternational.co.uk/pages_hospitality_events/images/Page16RugbyUnionMurrayfield.jpg
http://www.ticketarcade.com/images/murrayfield2.jpg
http://www.edinburgharchitecture.co.uk/jpgs/murrayfield.jpg
http://www.edinburgharchitecture.co.uk/jpgs/murrayfield_stadium_miller.jpg
http://www.essex.ac.uk/ese/icdar2003/photos/murrayfield2.jpg
http://www.teivovo.com/photos/team_fiji/2002_general/Fiji_LineUp_021124_CSport.jpg

Tynecastle - Soccer - Heart of Midlothian F.C. (18,300)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/Tynecastle.jpg
http://www.apwj49.dsl.pipex.com/hearts20.jpg
http://www.eurostadiums.com/images/stadium/prTynecastle_1.jpg
http://www.apwj49.dsl.pipex.com/hearts30.jpg
http://www.thedrum.co.uk/uploads/directory/portfolio/217_217_750e95.jpg

Easter Road - Soccer - Hibernian F.C. (17,500)

http://www.apwj49.dsl.pipex.com/hibs.jpg
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/0/0a/300px-Easter_Road_Aberdeen_against_Hibs.JPG
http://www.stadionbesuch.de/images/2004_11_07_0121_Fubbes_hibs_motherx.jpg
http://www.visitingedinburgh.com/visitingedinburghimages/Easter%20Road.jpg

Meadowbank Stadium - Multipurpose (16,000)

http://www.edinburgharchitecture.co.uk/jpgs/meadowbank_sports_stadium.jpg
http://www.edinburgharchitecture.co.uk/jpgs/meadowbank_stadium_scotland.jpg
http://www.edinburgharchitecture.co.uk/jpgs/meadowbank_stadium_building.jpg
http://www.edinburghcityfc.com/ecfc/images/mbank3.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/scotland/edinburgh_meadowbank.jpg

Pittsburgh, PA (USA)

Heinz Field
http://www.pitt.edu/AFShome/s/o/sorc/public/html/thepitt/heinz1.jpg
http://www.sportsvenue-technology.com/projects/heinz_field/images/Heinz02.jpg
TENANTS: Pittsburgh Steelers (National Football League), Pittsburgh Panthers (NCAA football), occasional concerts
CAPACITY: 64,450
OPENED: 2001

PNC Park
http://www.freedmultimedia.com/photography/scenery/pncpark.jpg
TENANT: Pittsburgh Pirates (Major League Baseball)
CAPACITY: 38,496
OPENED: 2001

Mellon Arena
http://www.arenadigest.com/visits/images/mellon_arena.jpg
http://users.california.com/~csuppes/NHL/PittsburghPenguins/interior.jpg
TENANTS: Pittsburgh Penguins (National Hockey League), Pittsburgh Xplosion (Continental Basketball Association),* World Wrestling Entertainment matches; various concerts, circuses, tractor pulls, religious congregations, etc.
CAPACITY: 16,958
OPENED: 1961 (to be replaced in 2009)

Petersen Events Center

[NO IMAGES AVAILABLE]

TENANTS: Pittsburgh Panthers (NCAA Basketball), Pittsburgh Xplosion (Continental Basketball Association),* occasional concerts
CAPACITY: 12,508
OPENED: 2002

New Pittsburgh arena
http://users.california.com/~csuppes/NHL/PittsburghPenguins/new.jpg
TENANTS: Pittsburgh Penguins (National Hockey League), Pittsburgh Xplosion (Continental Basketball Association),* NCAA Basketball Tournament, World Wrestling Entertainment matches; various concerts, circuses, tractor pulls, religious congregations, etc.
CAPACITY: ~18,000
OPENING: 2009

* - The Pittsburgh Xplosion splits time between Mellon Arena and the Petersen Events Center, but may move permanently to the new arena once it's completed.

A picture of the Pittsburgh skyline with old Three Rivers Stadium.
http://penn.betatesters.com/pics/city.jpg
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Big Cities or just cities with poor or no stadium infastructure

Can you name any?

Portland, Oregon USA is a rapidly growing city with a metropolitan population of over 2 million.

The largest sports venue, Civic Stadium, dates from the 1920's and is a quaint baseball park with a capacity of well under 30,000. It is also used for both kinds of football.

There were plans for a new baseball stadium when the Montreal Expos were up for grabs. The old catch 22 made that impossible though. Portland wouldn't pay for a stadium without a team and baseball wouldn't give them the team without a stadium.

American Football is the more likely candidate for a stadium though if the league someday expands. Who will pay for it is the big issue.

Portland does have a world-class arena called the Rose Garden which Portland Trailblazer owner and Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen footed much of the bill for.

For an American city Milwaukee ,Wisocnsinis vastly underserved interms of real stadiums. The city proper has 587,000 residents witth closer 1.5 million in the metro area. There is Miller Park, which is 43,000 seat ballpark, and the two downtown arenas which seat 19,000 and 11,000 respectively, but there is no real rectangular stadium. at UWM the Football (soccer) stadium seats 1,500, and the facilities at Marquette university arent alot bigger. Other than that its just high school stadiums. When compared to the other cities in the region (Chicago, Menneapolis, Madison) interms of proper stadiums its way behind.

But with the Packers just a couple hours north in Green Bay and the Badgers in Madison there hasn't been a huge need, although the idea of bringing back D-1 football to UWM or Marquette gets tossed around every so often. THere is talk however (starting to resurface again) of a 20,000-25,000 seat MLS stadium being built either downtown or in the Third Ward, which would be fanastic.

So, we already got two cities. What about european cities such as Sofia, Bucharest, Budapest, Bratislava, Ljubljiana etc?

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, you must include Belfast on a list that is set to include Bratislava or Ljubljana - 275,000 population and 580,000 metropolitan area. The four main stadia in Belfast are all atrocious; the whole country has stadium often embarassed by LEDCs.

There's; Casement Park with a capacity of about 32,500 but only around 1000 - 2000 seats and poor facilities; The Oval with an official capacity of 14,000, but under 5,000 seats (over 2500 of which are bucket seats stuck on an old terrace and are awful to sit in), and atrocious facilities, especially for females; Windsor Park which was recently declared a fire hazard that has a usuable capacity of some 14,000 seats and an extra 6,000 standing positions. Easily the best facilities in NI because it's also home to the international stadium but it's still fairly grim; Ravenhill, home of Ulster Rugby with a capacity of 12,800 but again, only 3,000 - 4,000 seats and pretty grim facilities.

For an American city Milwaukee ,Wisocnsinis vastly underserved interms of real stadiums. The city proper has 587,000 residents witth closer 1.5 million in the metro area. There is Miller Park, which is 43,000 seat ballpark, and the two downtown arenas which seat 19,000 and 11,000 respectively, but there is no real rectangular stadium. at UWM the Football (soccer) stadium seats 1,500, and the facilities at Marquette university arent alot bigger. Other than that its just high school stadiums. When compared to the other cities in the region (Chicago, Menneapolis, Madison) interms of proper stadiums its way behind.

But with the Packers just a couple hours north in Green Bay and the Badgers in Madison there hasn't been a huge need, although the idea of bringing back D-1 football to UWM or Marquette gets tossed around every so often. THere is talk however (starting to resurface again) of a 20,000-25,000 seat MLS stadium being built either downtown or in the Third Ward, which would be fanastic.

I agree with that. Milwaukee does lack a large rectangular stadium.

Hong Kong :)
It's ironic no such good and big stadiums found in this world-class metropolitan city (I mean the new and well designed one)

all the way ...seems like only large skyscrapers, apartments, exhibition halls and shopping malls being built in HK everyday...

Really? OMG ^^

Even though it has AT&T Park, San Francisco needs a better (American) football stadium. Monster Park was originally a baseball stadium. It's about time the 49ers get a new stadium.

Plus, they don't have a decent arena. The Cow Palace (no, this isn't a joke, that's its name) is obsolete. Most indoor events go to Oakland or San Jose. That has to be costing the city a ton of dollars.

Honkers has some great venues. The rugby ground and horse racing facility are world class.

A lot of cities in India need drastic upgrades to sporting facilities.

Hong Kong :)
It's ironic no such good and big stadiums found in this world-class metropolitan city (I mean the new and well designed one)

all the way ...seems like only large skyscrapers, apartments, exhibition halls and shopping malls being built in HK everyday...

HK has a good stadium which is below Jardines Lookout. The Hong Kong Stadium is host to major sporting events like The Rugby Sevens is also a place to stage concerts, etc.

http://www.lcsd.gov.hk/stadium/hks/graphics/intro-pic1.jpg

http://www.venue.org/galleryphoto/1014601196HK_Stadium600.jpg

Anyway, I always think of Metro Manila when I think of cities with poor stadium infrastructure.

^^ yes your right. we lack that so called sporting culture. If you put up a stadium, it will not be filled with people.

^^ yes your right. we lack that so called sporting culture. If you put up a stadium, it will not be filled with people.

Marikina has a descent stadium. In fact its one of the most used stadiums in Metro Manila more active than The HK stadium. Especially on the weekends, the stadium is crowded. The stadium has facilities for football, basketball, tennis, badminton and swimming. The track and field is also substituted with the right lanes for brisk-walkers while the left are for joggers and sprinters. Martial Arts are taught near the track and they vary from Shotokan Karate, Arnis, Aikido, Yaw Yan and more. I saw people practicing dance on one whether it may be break-dance or street dance. The entrance fee is P5.

There's also Amoranto Stadium in Quezon City which hosts the Pulp Summer Slam

Unfortunately, both are not as modern looking compared to those you can find in Europe or around Asia but it can be remodelled or modernized

The Hague, The Netherlands (population of about 475,000 within city limits, about one million including suburbs) only has one stadium (which currently has no name) with a capacity of just 15,000. It was finished just two months ago and it is very modern but also very small given the size of the city. The truth is that its capacity is more than adequate for the city. The clubs that uses it (ADO Den Haag) only averages about 5,000 right now.

http://spitsnet.nl/uploaded/ANP/img-280707-013.onlineBild.jpg

It replaced the old Zuiderpark Stadion which only had a capacity of 11,000 (in its heydays it could hold about 27,000 which isn't spectacular either) and is currently being turned into dust:

http://www.stadiumguide.com/zuiderpark2.jpg

There used to be a 20,000 capacity stadium as well that got destroyed in the 70's when its tenant Holland Sport seized to exist (it merged with ADO to FC Den Haag which is nowadays called ADO Den Haag).
http://www.gemeentearchief.denhaag.nl/hga/imflrdir/73254/32400/32505A01.JPG

Apart from a football stadiums there is also an speed skating arena that hardly gets used (last international competition held here was like 5 years ago) and constantly struggles to avoid going bankrupt:

http://www.deuithof.nl/data/pictures/21.jpg

I've no idea what the exact capacity is but given the fact that it is mostly terracing I imagine it to be somewhere in the 10 to 15k region. It also houses a huge ice hockey / short track arena:

http://www.deuithof.nl/data/pictures/15.jpg

All the other facilities (including some field hockey "stadiums" and a tennis "stadium") are not even worth mentioning.

The UK's 9th most populous urban area, Bristol (pop. 420,556) has the following stadium infrastructure:

Ashton Gate (Bristol Rovers).......................................21,478
Memorial Stadium (Bristol Rovers/Bristol Shiguns RUFC)....12,000
County Ground (Gloucestershire Gladiators).....................8,000

Only three stadia of significance with a combined capacity of 41,478 - less than 10% of the urban population.

Although arbitrary, I would argue that this measurement (Sum Top 3 Venue / Urban Populace) is as good an indicator of any of the relationship between stadium infrastructure and local population.

In comparison, Manchester (10th by Urban population with 394,269) has a top three of:

Old Trafford (Manchester United)......................76,000
City of Manchester Stadium (Manchester City)....48,000
Old Trafford (Lancashire CCC)..........................28,000

Plus many more. The top three combined are 152,000 - nearly 40% of the urban populace.

Pro-rata, this implies that Manchester is almost four times better served for venue seating than Bristol.

Liverpool (currently/in future):

Anfield (Liverpool FC)...........44,000 / 76,000
Goodison Park (Everton FC)...40,000 / 50,000
New Liverpool Arena..............8,000 / 8.000

Total now: 92,000 / Population 469,017 = 19.6% coverage
Total soon: 134,000 / 469,017 = 28.6%

Similarly, Glasgow offers 25.6% and Newcastle-Upon-Tyne 36.9%.

Using the same measure, Belfast (already cited as a candidate for a poorly-served city achieves 18.1% which is a poor figure, but almost double the proportion that Bristol achieves.

Manchester's urban area is more like 2m population, so you mean city population?

yes, well spotted :)

Ankara is like this. There are two small and very old stadiums and afew small and old sport hall.

Shame for a capital.

19 nayıs stadium (19.125 )-biggest of Ankara.bult in 1936
http://www.haydigencler.com/images/19mayis.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/hatipoglu_blog/ankara.jpg

So, we already got two cities. What about european cities such as Sofia, Bucharest, Budapest, Bratislava, Ljubljiana etc?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Even our cities with like ~120000 inhabitants have at least 1 one of these:
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3050/etoap5.png

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4137/etopark55rs8.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3075/alakul11kn3.jpg
More pics at here:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=410760
and credit to the guys posting there...

And our even smaller cities have some sort of small stadiums. Budapest has a stadium in many districts,this is the biggest:
Népstadion(People's stadium)
http://www.nemzetisport.hu/db_docinv/01/C0/d000201C0791fb19545c6.jpg
Budapest Sportcsarnok(Budapest stadium)
http://www.freetv.hu/freetv/php/images/preview/www/bpcsarnok.jpg
My district's stadium...Szusza Ferenc Stadium
http://images.google.hu/url?q=http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/hungary/budapest_ujpest1.jpg&usg=AFQjCNFBSqSUCU8JX6avEX_puqcbxr68tQ

Belfast is a capital city yet only has a decrepit old 15k seater stadium. It really needs a new national stadium for N.Ireland.

Adelaide, South Australia.

Population: 1.1million.

If we are only talking about 'proper' stadia, that is to say stadia with seating around the majority of the playing area, then the city is served by...

AAMI Stadium (Aussie Rules) - 51515
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/oceania/australia/south_australia/adelaide_aami1.jpg

Adelaide Oval (Cricket) - 33597
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/oceania/australia/south_australia/adelaide_oval1.jpg

Hindmarsh Stadium (Football) - 16500
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/oceania/australia/south_australia/adelaide_hindmarsh1.jpg

That's 101612 seats for 1.1 million people - approx 9% coverage.

Of course, like most Aussie cities there are a multitude of ovals with one old stand and grassy banks for standing, and Santos Stadium (athletics) which is much the same - one decent stand and the rest is standing, but they can't count.

Ironically, the Santos Stadium is in an ideal location for development - right by a train line, walking distance from the CBD, plenty of space around it, but the South Australian government have stated that they won't be buildling any new stadiums in the foreseeable (sp?) future - so nothing doing there.
(If an Aussie World Cup bid falls down, I suspect it will fall down in Adelaide).

My city, Hartford (metro pop: 1.3m), only has one real stadium, Rentschler Field.

It seats 40,000 but it can be expanded because it has plenty of space (built on an former airfield).

http://www.cultureandtourism.org/cct/lib/cct/film/locations/db_02RentschlerField023.jpg

Even though it has AT&T Park, San Francisco needs a better (American) football stadium. Monster Park was originally a baseball stadium. It's about time the 49ers get a new stadium.

Plus, they don't have a decent arena. The Cow Palace (no, this isn't a joke, that's its name) is obsolete. Most indoor events go to Oakland or San Jose. That has to be costing the city a ton of dollars.
- The South and East Bay are where many people are, so the region is still served well.

-The Cow Palace is in Daly City, so I doubt SF gets any of those dollars.

- Pac Bell Park gets more events than the average baseball stadium. Cirque Du Soleil, for example, will be there in a couple weeks, I believe.

Adelaide, South Australia.

Population: 1.1million.
I would hesitate to put Adelaide in this category due to the fact that their stadiums serve their needs perfectly.

AAMI Stadium - Although getting on in age, is the perfect size to cater for it's two professional football teams.

Adelaide Oval - One of the best cricket grounds on the planet. Capacity wise is bigger than most around the world.

Hindmarsh Stadium - Again serves soccer very well at this stage but can be outgrown very quickly if the A-League takes off.

(If an Aussie World Cup bid falls down, I suspect it will fall down in Adelaide).
Adelaide would be earmarked for a new multi-purpose facility.

The UK's 9th most populous urban area, Bristol (pop. 420,556) has the following stadium infrastructure:

Ashton Gate (Bristol Rovers).......................................21,478
Memorial Stadium (Bristol Rovers/Bristol Shiguns RUFC)....12,000
County Ground (Gloucestershire Gladiators).....................8,000

Only three stadia of significance with a combined capacity of 41,478 - less than 10% of the urban population.

Although arbitrary, I would argue that this measurement (Sum Top 3 Venue / Urban Populace) is as good an indicator of any of the relationship between stadium infrastructure and local population.

In comparison, Manchester (10th by Urban population with 394,269) has a top three of:

Old Trafford (Manchester United)......................76,000
City of Manchester Stadium (Manchester City)....48,000
Old Trafford (Lancashire CCC)..........................28,000

Plus many more. The top three combined are 152,000 - nearly 40% of the urban populace.

Pro-rata, this implies that Manchester is almost four times better served for venue seating than Bristol.

Liverpool (currently/in future):

Anfield (Liverpool FC)...........44,000 / 76,000
Goodison Park (Everton FC)...40,000 / 50,000
New Liverpool Arena..............8,000 / 8.000

Total now: 92,000 / Population 469,017 = 19.6% coverage
Total soon: 134,000 / 469,017 = 28.6%

Similarly, Glasgow offers 25.6% and Newcastle-Upon-Tyne 36.9%.

Using the same measure, Belfast (already cited as a candidate for a poorly-served city achieves 18.1% which is a poor figure, but almost double the proportion that Bristol achieves.

I'd actually say one would be at about 26% for Belfast - there are four stadia worth mentioning in terms of capacity - Casement Park, Windsor Park, The Oval and Ravenhill. Together, this gives a combined (usable) capacity of some 72,500 or so. The trouble is that this doesn't account for the quality at these grounds, or more importantly, the number of seats at these grounds. Taking a ratio of seats to overall capacity as an arbitrary measure of quality, we have:

For Belfast, we are looking at 25,000 seats to 72,500 capacity, so seats provide about 34% of capacity provided by seats. Compared with 100% from the main stadia in Manchester, Newcastle or Glasgow, this is a very low figure for Belfast that suggests poor stadium infrastructure given current safety restrictions on stadia and whatnot. In Bristol, you're looking at 31,000 seats per net capacity of 41,000, which is 75% - quite a way behind Manchester et al, but still lightyears ahead of Belfast.

Obviously this isn't a competition about where has the worst stadia, but given that the net-capacity of Belfast's stadia increases disproportionately because of the (relatively) huge Casement Park, the ratio of seats to overall capacity is much more revealing for Belfast, especially given that Casement Park has somewhere in the region of 2,500 seats and the restrictions imposed by international and European football regulations.

Note that I haven't included terraced capacity at Windsor Park at all in any of these figures. Had I included this, we'd have an overall capacity of some 78,000, so giving a ratio of about 31%.