Welcome to the greatest! :D

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Welcome to the second greatest! :D

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I wouldnt call Istanbul a Balkan city

weres the Athens pics? its a fact that Athens is the best in the balkans followed by tirana....

And for those of you who like to look down on Istanbul:

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:D

weres the Athens pics? its a fact that Athens is the best in the balkans followed by tirana....

Maybe the city with richest history in the Balkans but today certainly not the best; too much polution.

Maybe the city with richest history in the Balkans but today certainly not the best; too much polution.

:yes:
..... and way too much Middle Eastern architecture.
I always confuse Athens with Casablanca, only when i see The Acropolis do i realise it's acctually Athens.

:yes:
..... and way too much Middle Eastern architecture.
I always confuse Athens with Casablanca, only when i see The Acropolis do i realise it's acctually Athens.

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Athens seems pretty overrated. If we were to judge solely based on the last two millenia I really don't see what's so great about it.

Nothing is great about it.
The most overrated capital in Europe without a doubt.
Pictures speak for themselves.

istanbul is beautiful. i love the blue mosque there...one of the greatest!!!
as for akropolis....i know its that building in top of athens that looks like Apolonia building in Albania, but what the hell is so special about it other than its old i guess

I agree Istanbul is the greatest city in the Balkans! In the 1600's it had the highest population in Europe. The Turkish are very modern.

Unfortunately I've never been to Istanbul, but to me it seems like its the greatest city even in entire Europe, if not the world! Looking at those pictures it seems like a perfect place to live... very large, yet cosy and relaxed.

go to athens and see it for yourselves ground level. athens is number one. the acropoilis if not so special why didn't everybody build one thousands of years ago. istanbul is number two. istanbul is more modern while athens is more historic. both are huge cities though and both offer the same stuff. istanbul more emphasis on modern and athens more emphasis on historic.

go to athens and see it for yourselves ground level. athens is number one. the acropoilis if not so special why didn't everybody build one thousands of years ago. istanbul is number two. istanbul is more modern while athens is more historic. both are huge cities though and both offer the same stuff. istanbul more emphasis on modern and athens more emphasis on historic.


Thanks Lakerdar.

Little racist, jealous, and hateful punks like Football Rules and E-Tirona are so blinded by their anti-reek sentiments, they really have no clue what they are talking about. So, for their sake, here are some pics of Athens (where 1 million of their countrymen choose to live in):


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Now you can shut the f*%^ up!!!

Leafs! I understand your respons to kids like Football_Rules, but please keep away the Athens pictures, this thread doesn't have anything to do with it.

it's a bit true though that modern day athens is not so special. but athens is number one in the balkans. maybe not all of europe or the world but it is number one in the balkans. istanbul is very close though but the turks have to be given credit also for what they've done. balkans isn't the richest area thats why athens is number one but in future it might be tough competition.

Leafs! I understand your respons to kids like Football_Rules, but please keep away the Athens pictures, this thread doesn't have anything to do with it.


What are you talking about? Is Athens not in the Balkans? Did other useless idiots not mention negative remarks about my city BEFORE I posted pics of Athens?

Well, as a response I have posted my opinion as to which city is the GREATEST city in the Balkans....the exact topic of this thread!

So, to conclude:

Greatest city in teh Balkans: Athens
Second greatest: Zagreb, Croatia

@Leafy
no offense to you but Athens is just richest, being rich is not meaning coolest or greatest in my book.

@Leafy
no offense to you but Athens is just richest, being rich is not meaning coolest or greatest in my book.


Well, I agree with you but of course, I have a special spot in my heart for Athens as it used to be my home and now is my second home. I think Athens is cool, I never said it was the greatest in the world. I like the feel of the city, the nightlife is incredible, and the city looks much better from street level than it does from the sky. Athens is always alive be it 5 in the afternoon or 4 in the morning. Also, it has incredible, clean beaches right in the city. That is very importnat to me as it provides a getaway from the crowded city...

:)

I still like Istanbul best.

Athens reminds me of some smaller Turkish cities, Ankara for example. It's very modern, with a few very important relics - but it seems that most of the city exhibits Arab-style suburbs and a Skopje-esque modernity without any historical connection. It's a beautiful, historic city but it's all the same. Everything you can experience in Athens needs just one district in Istanbul.

Istanbul is so green, and so colorful. At the same time, it's also dry and worn. There are so many different architectural styles, spanning centuries; even the Arab-style districts are painted, they're colorful, they're leafy and inviting.

Athens to me seems like a modern city with a few historic areas that are inhabited by tourists and scientists. Istanbul seems like a living city, where everything is alive and chaotic.

On top of this, Istanbul has one of the best skylines in the whole of Europe, by far the best in the Balkans. I wouldn't put Athens and Istanbul into the same category - it would be like comparing Sarajevo and Diyarbakir. The topography is so different, and the style of the city is so different.

For me, I can relate more to the style of Istanbul. The narrow, cobble streets - imposing palaces and mansions - spice markets and bazaars, all of these things. They're a part of me as much as they're a part of Sarajevo, and a part of Istanbul.

Nothing will ever compare to Istanbul for me. The city's atmosphere and lifestyle is better than any other place in the world, and it's architecture and beauty are so superb that, combined with the lifestyle, nothing can beat it. Not any city, anywhere. :)

I still like Istanbul best.

Athens reminds me of some smaller Turkish cities, Ankara for example. It's very modern, with a few very important relics - but it seems that most of the city exhibits Arab-style suburbs and a Skopje-esque modernity without any historical connection. It's a beautiful, historic city but it's all the same. Everything you can experience in Athens needs just one district in Istanbul.

Istanbul is so green, and so colorful. At the same time, it's also dry and worn. There are so many different architectural styles, spanning centuries; even the Arab-style districts are painted, they're colorful, they're leafy and inviting.

Athens to me seems like a modern city with a few historic areas that are inhabited by tourists and scientists. Istanbul seems like a living city, where everything is alive and chaotic.

On top of this, Istanbul has one of the best skylines in the whole of Europe, by far the best in the Balkans. I wouldn't put Athens and Istanbul into the same category - it would be like comparing Sarajevo and Diyarbakir. The topography is so different, and the style of the city is so different.

For me, I can relate more to the style of Istanbul. The narrow, cobble streets - imposing palaces and mansions - spice markets and bazaars, all of these things. They're a part of me as much as they're a part of Sarajevo, and a part of Istanbul.

Nothing will ever compare to Istanbul for me. The city's atmosphere and lifestyle is better than any other place in the world, and it's architecture and beauty are so superb that, combined with the lifestyle, nothing can beat it. Not any city, anywhere. :)



Hey Mila,

Did you see the PM I sent you a few days ago? :)

^ Yes, and thank you. :)

^ Yes, and thank you. :)

Ok cool....I thought maybe you had not seen it. Take care!

^ You too. :)

I still like Istanbul best.

Athens reminds me of some smaller Turkish cities, Ankara for example. It's very modern, with a few very important relics - but it seems that most of the city exhibits Arab-style suburbs and a Skopje-esque modernity without any historical connection. It's a beautiful, historic city but it's all the same. Everything you can experience in Athens needs just one district in Istanbul.

Istanbul is so green, and so colorful. At the same time, it's also dry and worn. There are so many different architectural styles, spanning centuries; even the Arab-style districts are painted, they're colorful, they're leafy and inviting.

Athens to me seems like a modern city with a few historic areas that are inhabited by tourists and scientists. Istanbul seems like a living city, where everything is alive and chaotic.

On top of this, Istanbul has one of the best skylines in the whole of Europe, by far the best in the Balkans. I wouldn't put Athens and Istanbul into the same category - it would be like comparing Sarajevo and Diyarbakir. The topography is so different, and the style of the city is so different.

For me, I can relate more to the style of Istanbul. The narrow, cobble streets - imposing palaces and mansions - spice markets and bazaars, all of these things. They're a part of me as much as they're a part of Sarajevo, and a part of Istanbul.

Nothing will ever compare to Istanbul for me. The city's atmosphere and lifestyle is better than any other place in the world, and it's architecture and beauty are so superb that, combined with the lifestyle, nothing can beat it. Not any city, anywhere. :)

Sarajka you made really good summarize:hug: Istanbul is the city for mostly marginal people, i think. very abnormal people live in Istanbul, everything normal and possible in this city.

What are you talking about? Is Athens not in the Balkans? Did other useless idiots not mention negative remarks about my city BEFORE I posted pics of Athens?

Well, as a response I have posted my opinion as to which city is the GREATEST city in the Balkans....the exact topic of this thread!

So, to conclude:

Greatest city in teh Balkans: Athens
Second greatest: Zagreb, Croatia

Zagreb in the Balkans? :lol:

When did Zagreb become a Balkan city? :runaway:

:D

:cheers:

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By Owen Matthews and Rana Foroohar
Newsweek International

the city's old Christian quarter of Beyoglu, and you'll hear something surprising. Amid the crowds of nocturnal revelers, a young Uzbek-looking girl plays haunting songs from Central Asia on an ancient Turkic flute called a saz. Nearby, bluesy Greek rembetiko blares from a CD store. Downhill toward the slums of Tarlabasi you hear the wild Balkan rhythms of a Gypsy wedding, while at 360, an ultratrendy rooftop restaurant, the sound is Sufi electronica—cutting-edge beats laced with dervish ritual. And then there are the clubs—Mojo, say, or Babylon—where the young and beautiful rise spontaneously from their tables to link arms and perform a complicated Black Sea line dance, the horon. The wonder is that each and every one of these styles is absolutely native to the city, which for much of its history was the capital of half the known world.

The sounds of today's Istanbul convey something important. They're evidence of a cultural revival that's helping the city reclaim its heritage as a world-class crossroads. After decades of provincialism, decay and economic depression—not to mention the dreary nationalism mandated by a series of governments dominated by the military—Istanbul is re-emerging as one of Europe's great metropolises. "Istanbul is experiencing a rebirth of identity," says Fatih Akin, director of this summer's award-winning film "The Sound of Istanbul," an odyssey through the city's rich musical traditions. Akin grew up in Germany but during the past decade has rediscovered his Turkish roots. "There's such richness," he says. "So many people have crossed Istanbul and left their culture here."

Signs of renewed self-confidence are everywhere. The city is still thickly atmospheric, with bazaars, Byzantine churches and Ottoman mansions pretty much everywhere. But that faded grandeur has recently been leavened with new energy. Stock markets are surging. Young, Western-educated Turks are returning home to start businesses. Foreigners are snapping up choice real estate. Turkish painters, writers, musicians, fashion designers and filmmakers are increasingly in the international spotlight. Two major new private museums devoted to Turkish art, the Istanbul Modern and the Pera Museum, have opened in the past year alone. Private galleries like GalerIst and Platform are showcasing, and fostering, new artists from Turkey and around the region.

The city's renaissance is part and parcel of Turkey's embrace of Europe. It's no accident that the Modern's opening was pushed up last December to coincide with the European Union's decision to begin accession talks with Ankara. Turkey's drive to "join Europe" undergirds the economic reforms that have given both Turks and foreigners the confidence to invest and buoyed the country's prospects. Inflation is in the single digits for the first time in 30 years, unemployment is down and GDP growth is more than 9 percent. Reforms pushed by the EU—from its insistence that the military step back from politics to human-rights and free-speech liberalizations—have reshaped Turkey's political and social landscape. At bottom, Istanbul's new look would not have been not be possible had the country's government not been so determined to prove its Western credentials.

Well, I agree with you but of course, I have a special spot in my heart for Athens as it used to be my home and now is my second home. I think Athens is cool, I never said it was the greatest in the world. I like the feel of the city, the nightlife is incredible, and the city looks much better from street level than it does from the sky. Athens is always alive be it 5 in the afternoon or 4 in the morning. Also, it has incredible, clean beaches right in the city. That is very importnat to me as it provides a getaway from the crowded city...

:)

of course this is very normal, Athens is your home and Istanbul is my home, for me Istanbul is the best city in the world for me, none of the cities in the world have Istanbul's soul, with its ugly sides, with its beatiful and luxury sides, this city is unbeatable for me. 24/7 very alive and colorful.

btw Athens is great city i agree, but i think it has agean/mediterranean soul, like Izmir or Antalya, i think Istanbul has more northern or Balkan soul , it doesnt look like Izmir for example.

Istanbul is not a Balkan city ;)

Athens and Istanbul they both beautiful but athens looks neater

One more mosque in that picture and you can start building a bridge using them as the columns to support it. Istanbul the best? What a joke.

for much of its history was the capital of half the known world.

I love that. :D

One more mosque in that picture and you can start building a bridge using them as the columns to support it. Istanbul the best? What a joke.

Yeah, because Albania has no mosques. ;) Istanbul's mosques are gorgeous, among the most well-endowed in the world. I'd only compare the mosque in Edirne, that of Mecca, and - although it's not a mosque - the Dome of the Rock. Everything else in the world doesn't come close.

But I'm guessing you wouldn't mind them at all if they were churches, so...whatever. :D

When did Zagreb become a Balkan city?

Ako Zagreb nije Balkanski grad, gdje onda da ga svrstamo? Da nije mozda na Apeninskom poluotoku?

^ Since you Central Europeans decided to build it in the Balkans. :D

When did Zagreb become a Balkan city?

Ako Zagreb nije Balkanski grad, gdje onda da ga svrstamo? Da nije mozda na Apeninskom poluotoku?


Are you kidding me? You say this as if you are ashamed of the Balkans. For your information, the Balkans are home to Europe's oldest history. Croatia is 100% a Balkan Country. Here are multiple (and reliable) sources which say so:

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761567023/Balkan_Peninsula.html

Map of Balkan Peninsula

The Balkan Peninsula, is a peninsula in southeastern Europe, bounded on the east by the Black and Aegean seas, on the south by the Mediterranean Sea, and on the west by the Adriatic and Ionian seas. The Balkan Peninsula generally encompasses the countries that are commonly known as the Balkan states: Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Serbia and Montenegro, Albania, Greece, and Bulgaria. Slovenia and Romania are also sometimes included in this designation. In addition, the southeastern part of the peninsula includes Eastern Thrace, the European part of Turkey.


The Balkan States:

http://geography.about.com/library/misc/blbalkans.htm

Albania

Bosnia and Herzegovina

Bulgaria

Croatia

Greece

Macedonia

Romania

Serbia and Montenegro (Yugoslavia)

Slovenia

Turkey



Balkan States

Current examples of cooperation with Croatia, Serbia and Montenegro, the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Albania:

A multilateral BMBF Workshop on "Cooperation in Research, Science and Technology with the South-East European Countries within the Framework of the Stabilisation and Association Process" produced results which have been incorporated into the Science and Technology Action Plan initiated by the Greek EU Presidency in 2003 for the countries of the Western Balkans. The BMBF is supporting the implementation of the Action Plan.
Counselling project "Restructuring the Serbian Research Landscape and the Existing Innovation System": The reorientation of national research policy and of the innovation system is an important step forward in European integration. The BMBF is supporting a relevant initiative of the Serbian Ministry of Science, Technology and Development by providing the counselling services of a German team of experts. The project aims to define medium and long-term goals, establish priorities and develop measures that can be implemented. Support is provided for the pilot evaluation of a Serbian research institute as a practical example showing the methods applied.


Within the framework of a BMBF project in the field of sustainable decentralized water management, efforts were made to identify local conditions and the current regional needs regarding water supply and waste water management in Albania, Serbia and Montenegro. A network of the main actors in all South-East European countries is being planned on the basis of the results achieved. These actors include representatives of research, administration and industry in Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Serbia and Montenegro, Bulgaria, Romania and Greece.


The SINSEE project (Scientific Information Network South-East Europe) contributes to the electronic networking of all scientific institutions in South-East Europe and encourages connection to the European research network GEANT. This provides a sound basis for bilateral and European cooperation after years of isolation. The BMBF has supported the technical and organizational concept of this data network with a pilot project and funded an initial pilot installation. Further counselling will be provided via the DFN-Verein. Germany was among the initiators of a task force which was established during the Greek EU Presidency to coordinate relevant activities and in which the BMBF's International Bureau is actively cooperating.


http://www.bmbf.de/en/816.php

What are you talking about? Is Athens not in the Balkans? Did other useless idiots not mention negative remarks about my city BEFORE I posted pics of Athens?

Well, as a response I have posted my opinion as to which city is the GREATEST city in the Balkans....the exact topic of this thread!

So, to conclude:

Greatest city in teh Balkans: Athens
Second greatest: Zagreb, Croatia

No no, sorry my bad I tought this about only Sarajevo/Istanbul ..Anyway my choices:

Greatest in the Balkans: Sarajevo, rich history/architecture, represents tree religions and three cultures.

Second greatest: I am excluding Croatia as it seems the croats don't count themself as a Balkan country, so I'll respect that. Okey, second best is to me Beograd :)

:weirdo:

" *When did Zagreb become a Balkan city?*

Ako Zagreb nije Balkanski grad, gdje onda da ga svrstamo? Da nije mozda na Apeninskom poluotoku?"


AEK thanks for all that information, but I don't think you got the second part of my message (Ako Zagreb nije Balkanski grad, gdje onda da ga svrstamo? Da nije mozda na Apeninskom poluotoku?), or maybe you do understand Croatian. Anyway, i was just discussing BUBACH's comment. Zagreb is Balkan city and there is no question about that.

:weirdo:

" *When did Zagreb become a Balkan city?*

Ako Zagreb nije Balkanski grad, gdje onda da ga svrstamo? Da nije mozda na Apeninskom poluotoku?"


AEK thanks for all that information, but I don't think you got the second part of my message (Ako Zagreb nije Balkanski grad, gdje onda da ga svrstamo? Da nije mozda na Apeninskom poluotoku?), or maybe you do understand Croatian. Anyway, i was just discussing BUBACH's comment. Zagreb is Balkan city and there is no question about that.

I like you (:D ;))

Oh and I love Brasov, looks like a awesome city :)

Oh yeah, Croatia and Slovenia became Balkans when they 'joined' Yugoslavia, a country whose territory, mentality, and culture were predominantly Balkan influenced.

But, Yugoslavia doesnt exist anymore, therefore, Croatia and Slovenia dont have absolutely anything in common with the Balkans anymore.

BTW, Balkan is the part of Europe that was conquered by Ottomans and that accepted Turkish oriental culture. This culture and mentality dont exist in Croatia and Slovenia. :)

:cheers:

^ Isn't the Balkans just a geographic reference for the Balkan peninsula? :D

:weirdo:

" *When did Zagreb become a Balkan city?*

Ako Zagreb nije Balkanski grad, gdje onda da ga svrstamo? Da nije mozda na Apeninskom poluotoku?"


AEK thanks for all that information, but I don't think you got the second part of my message (Ako Zagreb nije Balkanski grad, gdje onda da ga svrstamo? Da nije mozda na Apeninskom poluotoku?), or maybe you do understand Croatian. Anyway, i was just discussing BUBACH's comment. Zagreb is Balkan city and there is no question about that.

That's something you can wish only, but Croatia is not Balkans.
And how about if for a change, you Serbs start to mind your own business, wouldnt that be great, huh ? :D

:cheers:

Every map I've found of the Balkan Peninsula includes Croatia, except the pre-1912 maps, in which just about all of Croatia is labelled "Bosnia and Herzegovina". :D

But I did find this:

http://www.oprev.org/Intel/BalkansIntel.jpg

Hahaha. That's not even the best part, it goes on:

Bosnia holds fewer than one thousand believers in a population over four million, and Serbia holds fewer than ten thousand among eight million. Evangelicals in Greece are fewer than two-tenths of one percent, and less than two percent of Greece's mainly Orthodox Christian population attends any church at all.

But the light is growing. Albania was once the darkest corner of Europe. As a self-professed atheistic state it brutally suppressed all religion. Ten years ago it had no churches and only six known believers.

Meanwhile, in Kosovo, among people of the same culture and language under Serbian domination, Christian growth was stagnant. Kosovar knowledge of Christianity came from stories of the Crusades and experience with Orthodox Serbs. When Kosovars fled Serbian atrocities, many discovered the difference between genuine faith and the cultural kind.

Hahaha.

If you only take into account geography:
The northern border of the Balkan peninsula is generally considered be the line formed by the Danube, Sava and Kupa rivers and a segment connecting the spring of the Kupa with the Kvarner Bay.

There are also some other definitions of the northern border of the Balkans:
* the line Krka (river in Slovenia) - Vipava - northern boundary of the Gulf of Trieste
* the line Dniester - Timişoara - Zagreb - Triglav (mountain).
* the line Sava - Ljubljansko polje - Idrijca river - Soča river.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7b/Balkan_peninsula.png

you forgot Cyprus?

^^*you forgot Cyprus?*

What are you people talking about??? There is a big difference between peninsula and an island.

BUBACH dali si ti normalan???

You people can argue as much as you want about which country is in the Balkans but the fact is most historians and professors and regular people always has seen it as this, now, don't blame me for what people think it is. And it's really a geographical term not an cultural term (tough often it is referred to a special mentality Balkan people have)
http://www.unc.edu/depts/slavic/images/balkans.png

And this reminds me of(sort of) the Finland-Scandinavia debate, only opposite..:)

Maybe the city with richest history in the Balkans but today certainly not the best; too much polution.

There is not much pollution in Athens anymore. Nowhere near what it was 10 years ago.


and way too much Middle Eastern architecture.
I always confuse Athens with Casablanca, only when i see The Acropolis do i realise it's acctually Athens.


heh, I don't see any middle eastern architecure in Athens. If you mean concrete, which there is alot of, then yes there is alot. But I would love for you to show me some middle eastern architecture . Athens is full of European Architecture on the other hand. Obviously though, you have never walked the streets of Athens....



http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9875/10hf.jpg


And yet this is also Athens:

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7123/039acropolis8wf.jpg


What do you have to say for this picture?


Any of you seen Athens in street level? I can show you just a few pics to eat your own words....

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/787/cottage4ug.jpg

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/8493/7267317l7nc.jpg

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/276/19651999llll4pc.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8581/cimg015677zzzzz3je.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4750/11324241aaaaa2ic.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/682/greece0796dg.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/649/img01556fi.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/764/img01603ip.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/876/image0855yu.jpg

It's pretty easy to play the selective picture game isn't it?


http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/953/plakaneighborhood1ze.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4600/oldathenspar5qg.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5268/athensoldpar24bq.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5813/367994966667sp.jpg

(nothern suburbs......)

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/9350/kifissia6vj.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8990/image0864tc.jpg

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/329/img00178ug.jpg



I can post pictures forever..... but I think i've made my point.

^^*you forgot Cyprus?*

What are you people talking about??? There is a big difference between peninsula and an island.

BUBACH dali si ti normalan???
exactly

And a little more to prove Istanbul's place. :D


http://wowturkey.com/tr60/k_Yusuf_istanbulbogaz200501.jpg
(+) (http://www.worldturkey.com/web/istanbulbogazbuyuk.jpg)


http://wowturkey.com/tr60/k_Yusuf_istanbulcamlica.jpg
(+) (http://www.worldturkey.com/web/istanbulcamlicabuyuk.jpg)

bonus

http://wowturkey.com/tr60/k_Burc_mecidiyekoyden_0395.jpg
(+) (http://wowturkey.com/tr60/Burc_mecidiyekoyden_0395.jpg)

Turkey is beautiful, hopefully next summer i will be there. :)

^^*you forgot Cyprus?*

What are you people talking about??? There is a big difference between peninsula and an island.

BUBACH dali si ti normalan???

A kaj ne bi bil normalan? Otkad to ja nemam pravo na svoje 'misljenje' i iznosenje vlastitih cinjenica?

Vi svi uporno tvrdite da je Hrvatska na Balkanu, a ja velim da nije, i tak mozemo do sutra.

Pravi Balkan cine Bugarska, Albanija, Grcka, Rumunjska Srbija, Crna Gora i Makedonija i BiH ; zakaj ? Zato kaj su te sve drzave bile dugo pod Turcima i poprimili dio te turske kulture, koji se na neki nacin jos uvijek odrazava na danasnji mentalitet i obicaje tih zemalja.
Dok tu nekakve 'prirodne granice' Balkana koje odredjuje neka Foca, Sava, Drina, su u biti politicke granice u koje su pod ne tako davnim povijesnim okolnostima upale i Hrvatska i Slovenija, i to preko noci, kaj je po meni totalno neprirodno.
Da je Austrija bila dio Jugoslavije, i ona bi danas bila Balkan, kaj ne ? :D

:cheers:

Istanbul is a beautiful city, without a doubt. Istanbul and Athens are both Worldly cities, that have rich architecture, culture, history ect... I think both cities are beautiful, and it is obvious that no one here can give an unbiased opinion on which city is better. Well I like them both.... and anyways Sarajevo is number one. :)

CROATIA IS APART OF THE BALKANS! :cheers: (I bet that pissed you off?? ;))

^ Not really. You agreed with him in broken English. ;)

^ you two better shape up, or i might start to believe whatever you guys say :D ;)

:cheers:

Two best cities in the Balkans? Subotica and Novi Sad. :D

EDIT: Realised as I posted that neither is actually in the Balkans :lol:

In that case I go for Belgrade and Istambul :cheers:

Istanbul is definitely the greatest city in the Balkans. Might I say this, I prefer it over Paris and that says a lot. In my opinion it is probably the greatest city in the world. It has a perfect location, great nightlife, great history, a lot of development, great location (who wouldn't want to be in any other place than the Balkans?). And the traffic there... I like drivers who know how to take charge of things.
Also, what is the whole issue with Middle-Eastern architecture? Has anybody seen how middle-eastern architecture actually looks like? Athens doesn't have it, and if it had, it would have complimented the city.
Athens is also a great city, it has great infrastructure now with the new airport, metro and highways, and I have heard that it is becoming more and more comfortable for its citizens (I am saying this because of the whole pollution issues that Athens had when I was there).

If Istanbul is to be considered Balkans, which I believe it can (well technically, half of it anyway) it is a better and bigger city than Athens overall. Ofcourse, I like Athens more, way more, but thats all relative. Istanbul is bigger and has had a consistent history throughout the years, being an important capital through different empires and peoples, all adding to the richness of it. It has more architecture than Athens and big skyscrapers mixed with it. A great natural setting, water, mountains, bridges.... and is becoming a modern city also. Athens is without a doubt #2 (and in some ways better than Istanbul, but in others not).

kaj ne bi bil normalan? Otkad to ja nemam pravo na svoje 'misljenje' i iznosenje vlastitih cinjenica?

Vi svi uporno tvrdite da je Hrvatska na Balkanu, a ja velim da nije, i tak mozemo do sutra.

Pravi Balkan cine Bugarska, Albanija, Grcka, Rumunjska Srbija, Crna Gora i Makedonija i BiH ; zakaj ? Zato kaj su te sve drzave bile dugo pod Turcima i poprimili dio te turske kulture, koji se na neki nacin jos uvijek odrazava na danasnji mentalitet i obicaje tih zemalja.
Dok tu nekakve 'prirodne granice' Balkana koje odredjuje neka Foca, Sava, Drina, su u biti politicke granice u koje su pod ne tako davnim povijesnim okolnostima upale i Hrvatska i Slovenija, i to preko noci, kaj je po meni totalno neprirodno.
Da je Austrija bila dio Jugoslavije, i ona bi danas bila Balkan, kaj ne ?

BUBACH nezelim da te omalovazavam ili sto vec moze da ti padne na pamet, ali tvoji komentari su cudni.
Naravno da svatko ima pravo na svoje misljenje ali tvoje misljenje me mnogo zabrinjava. Pa sta ako su Turci vladali nasim prostorima, pa sta ako su neki poprimili njihovu kulturu??? Kakve to veze ima sa zemljopisom i Balkanom? Valjda si ucio sto je to poluostrvo ili poluotok, neznam vise ni kako se kaze. Za Sloveniju bi mogo rec da nije na Balkanu ali Hrvatska definitivno jeste, neznam cega te je sram. Neznam sta da ti kazem sem da si mi uljepsa dan. :hahaha:

:dance:
Petak je, tko ce u provod sa mnom?

Balkan Countries.

Albania
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
Greece
Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic
Romania
Slovenia
Turkey

Hm, how could I forget Serbia and Montenegro. I guess it's from all :drunk:

Balkan Countries.

Albania
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
Greece
Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic
Romania
Slovenia
Turkey

True even Romania was included in Balkans so how is Croatia not included??? Its up north of Montenegro. COme on dont be ridiculous.

kaj ne bi bil normalan? Otkad to ja nemam pravo na svoje 'misljenje' i iznosenje vlastitih cinjenica?

Vi svi uporno tvrdite da je Hrvatska na Balkanu, a ja velim da nije, i tak mozemo do sutra.

Pravi Balkan cine Bugarska, Albanija, Grcka, Rumunjska Srbija, Crna Gora i Makedonija i BiH ; zakaj ? Zato kaj su te sve drzave bile dugo pod Turcima i poprimili dio te turske kulture, koji se na neki nacin jos uvijek odrazava na danasnji mentalitet i obicaje tih zemalja.
Dok tu nekakve 'prirodne granice' Balkana koje odredjuje neka Foca, Sava, Drina, su u biti politicke granice u koje su pod ne tako davnim povijesnim okolnostima upale i Hrvatska i Slovenija, i to preko noci, kaj je po meni totalno neprirodno.
Da je Austrija bila dio Jugoslavije, i ona bi danas bila Balkan, kaj ne ?

BUBACH nezelim da te omalovazavam ili sto vec moze da ti padne na pamet, ali tvoji komentari su cudni.
Naravno da svatko ima pravo na svoje misljenje ali tvoje misljenje me mnogo zabrinjava. Pa sta ako su Turci vladali nasim prostorima, pa sta ako su neki poprimili njihovu kulturu??? Kakve to veze ima sa zemljopisom i Balkanom? Valjda si ucio sto je to poluostrvo ili poluotok, neznam vise ni kako se kaze. Za Sloveniju bi mogo rec da nije na Balkanu ali Hrvatska definitivno jeste, neznam cega te je sram. Neznam sta da ti kazem sem da si mi uljepsa dan. :hahaha:

:dance:
Petak je, tko ce u provod sa mnom?

Balkan Countries.

Albania
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
Greece
Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic
Romania
Slovenia
Turkey

Branko Kockica? Didn't you get brigged or banned ?

:cheers:

Branko Kockica? Didn't you get brigged or banned ?

:cheers:

It doesn't matter for some. ;)

Turkey is Not a Balkan country.
Greece is partly Balkan, deffinitely not a pure Balkan country.
It stretches too much towards Asia so they cant be considered A True Balkan Country.
Cyprus is not in The Balkans!!!
Have you people seen where Cyprus is located? ...Tunisia is closer to The Balkans than Cyprus:lol:

Again i agree with Mila's comments about Athens.
Too middle eastern for my taste.A boring city in regards to Modern Architecture.
And again Istanbul is not a Balkan City.
How can it be a Balkan city if it borders Asia?

^^

"How can San Jose be an American city when it borders Mexico?"

"How can Melbourne be an Australian city when it borders the ocean?"

...?

Sorry if this sounds too harsh.

I have never heard someone say "Athens is boring, or middle eastern" that is not from some shit-whole village, and just can’t afford to go to Athens in the first place.

I would understand if you have been the Athens, and you just don‘t find the place interesting. But to only say Athens is not as good or ugly, compared to Istanbul for political reasons is wrong. This is not which is better: Orthodoxy or Islam, it is which is the best city in the Balkans.

IMO Turkey isn't Balkans. It has a small part in Thrace and that's it, but not as a whole country.
Cyprus is asia, but then Sicily could be africa too if we counted by tectonic plates.
The truest Balkan country is Bulgaria, as that's where the chain is centrally located.
Istanbul is half Balkan, but what the hey, that's my opinion, you guys still have 20 years until I get to world power and brainwash the lot of ya!

This is not which is better: Orthodoxy or Islam, it is which is the best city in the Balkans.

Istanbul. :) (And Islam) LOL

Istanbul. :) (And Islam) LOL

what? :D

^^

"How can San Jose be an American city when it borders Mexico?"

"How can Melbourne be an Australian city when it borders the ocean?"

...?


Not only is it stupid, but it reaks of jealousy. Or small man syndrome... either one. From what I have noticed in the majority of his posts....

what? :D

Praise Jesus!

That's better! ;) LOL. (jking right? :S)

That's better! ;) LOL. (jking right? :S)

Sort of. ;)

We believe in Jesus, son of Mary, too. We believe it was a virgin birth, and that Jesus was divinely inspired. We believe he began his teachings from the crib, he could speak at birth. We just don't believe he is literally the son of God ('Son of God' was a common expression for everyone, even women, in those times), and the story of the crucifiction is not in the Qur'an...so we're not inclined to believe it.

But beyond that... ;) Praise Jesus!

^^

"How can San Jose be an American city when it borders Mexico?"

"How can Melbourne be an Australian city when it borders the ocean?"

...?

:D
San Jose is Northern California's largest city and it's first unoficcial capital.
It is nowhere near Mexico :cheers:

:D
San Jose is Northern California's largest city and it's first unoficcial capital.
It is nowhere near Mexico :cheers:

San Jose is a suburb of San Francisco, actually. ;)

And all of California is "near Mexico".

Sort of. ;)

We believe in Jesus, son of Mary, too. We believe it was a virgin birth, and that Jesus was divinely inspired. We believe he began his teachings from the crib, he could speak at birth. We just don't believe he is literally the son of God ('Son of God' was a common expression for everyone, even women, in those times), and the story of the crucifiction is not in the Qur'an...so we're not inclined to believe it.

But beyond that... ;) Praise Jesus!


LOL. Thanks for the info!? :sleepy: :D

LOL. Thanks for the info!? :sleepy: :D

Hahaha. :D You're very welcome.

Just (another) subtle reminder !

FOOTBALL RULES is the person who actually claimed that CORFU is an ALBANIAN island, and it RIGHTLY belongs to ALBANIA !

Yes, such people exist ,they are OUT THERE and they OPERATE over here ! (hopefully the do NOT breed !).

Thankfully his own compatriots DENIED his laughable "claims" and stopped his madness at the very beginning !

Yet, it was revealing of his motives and his overall attitude (ultra nationalism, megalomania etc).

Football rules is Komandant Mark's long lost twin raised by Albanians. :D

edit - never mind

San Jose is a suburb of San Francisco, actually. ;)

And all of California is "near Mexico".

And you know this how, by looking at the map?:D
San Jose is not a San Francisco Suburb.
It is a city made up close to 1 million people.
It even has An International AIrport. :cheers:

Greece is partly Balkan, deffinitely not a pure Balkan country.
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Again i agree with Mila's comments about Athens.
Too middle eastern for my taste.A boring city in regards to Modern Architecture.
And again Istanbul is not a Balkan City.
How can it be a Balkan city if it borders Asia?
Greece is 100% Balkan. Athens too middle-eastern? Have you ever been there? Have you ever seen another city that compares in your mind to Tirana? :nuts: No disrepect, but the world is bigger than Albania(and SCG ;)) You're talking about the city which hosted the last Olympic Games as a "boring city", from your seat in the second poorest country in Europe :sleepy:
Istanbul almost defines the term "Balkan city". It borders Asia so isn't Balkan? What. the. fuck. Nice borders the Mediterranean, so it's not really French :lol: A lot of major Balkan cities are on the edges of the Balkans eg Belgrade, Athens, the whole of Albania and, yes, Istanbul.
I'm sorry if I seem harsh about Albania, but you really need some sense of perspective, to snap back to reality. Almost all people in the West know about Athens, the Acropolis, Ancient Greece etc. Albanians (and Serbs) are mentioned almost always in a negative light(crime,war), if at all. Back to reality for you :D

PS: I can forsee the reply about how everything in Tirana is developing very fast yada yada yada, but cities like Tirana and Beograd will never be able to compete with the birthplace of Western civilisation. That's just the way it is. Just accept this simple fact and you'll seem a lot more well-adjusted :D

@estavisti

It's quite simple.
I look at Athens and i see a city that resembles middle eastern architecture.
I like nothing about the city. It's not warming, it's not fresh, it's not eyecatching but it's just a huge stretch of wide concrete buildings next to each-other.
If you think different that is your opinion.
Mine is as i just described it.

You're talking about the city which hosted the last Olympic Games as a "boring city", from your seat in the second poorest country in Europe

Thats an ignorant remark!!! Well i dont expect anything better from....

And do you know who built Olympics??? Albanian immigrants. They built all those great project you see now. Do you know who else made Greece a modern state nowdays? Actually they wanted to make a joint Albano-greco state. Go educate yourself and search in google Albanian Revolutionaries in Greece, Arvanites, Marko Bocari, Kollokotroni(bythguri)

Without us there wont be a Greece. :)

this reminds me when a greek friend of mine said. you know albania and greece should stop fighting and be allies again. we should make the byzantine empire again? i was like :omg: :hahano: :sly: such a dumb comment.

@estavisti

It's quite simple.
I look at Athens and i see a city that resembles middle eastern architecture.


You also look at Corfu and you see an ... ALBANIAN island !!!!

Devoid of credibility ? I would think so !

Pathetic nationalist ? Even More so !

Hopefully you will stay put and you will not breed ! This is THE BEST you can do to society !

Now please, go play with some more porn photos you take so much pride into !

Actually, Istanbul doesn't win best landscape...

The Vogosca suburb of Sarajevo does! :D

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7179/13zm1.jpg
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1628/19ct2.jpg

[QUOTE=Football Rules]Greece is partly Balkan, deffinitely not a pure Balkan country.
It stretches too much towards Asia so they cant be considered A True Balkan Country.
QUOTE]

We are talking about Balkan PENINSULA so it doesn't matter how far Greece streches into Asia. However, it's Greek islands that are closer to Turkish and thus to Asian coast not Balkan peninsula itself.

*peninsula > a long, narrow piece of land projecting out into a sea or lake.
-ORIGIN Latin, from paene 'almost' + insula 'island'.

*island > 1 a piece of land surrounded by water. 2 a thing that is isolated, detached, or surrounded.
-ORIGIN Old English.

*Balkan > relating to the countries occupying the part of south-east Europe bounded by the Adriatic, Ionian, Aegean, and the Black Seas

Thats an ignorant remark!!! Well i dont expect anything better from....

And do you know who built Olympics??? Albanian immigrants. They built all those great project you see now. Do you know who else made Greece a modern state nowdays? Actually they wanted to make a joint Albano-greco state. Go educate yourself and search in google Albanian Revolutionaries in Greece, Arvanites, Marko Bocari, Kollokotroni(bythguri)

Without us there wont be a Greece. :)


Albanian immigrants, along with Polish, Bulgarian, African, Pakistani and so on....

And your welcome for the jobs. :) (the fact that you are taking pride in doing the work of unskilled workers, and that you could have very easily been replaced with more of the other immigrants that worked along with Albanians, is pretty sad.)


But then again I guess we owe everyyyyyyyything to Albanians don't we?

@estavisti

It's quite simple.
I look at Athens and i see a city that resembles middle eastern architecture.
I like nothing about the city. It's not warming, it's not fresh, it's not eyecatching but it's just a huge stretch of wide concrete buildings next to each-other.
If you think different that is your opinion.
Mine is as i just described it.


Again,

Can you please find me some middle eastern architecutre in Athens?

Because there is none. There is alot of concrete apartments with no roofs, but middle eastern architecture there is none of.

And obviously, oh so painfully obviously, you have never been to Athens. Most of the things you said are subjective, but you are in the miniority in those opinions. Maybe you should visit there first? Many people would disagree over and over it's not warming, and fresh? The whole city recieved a makeover how on earth can it not be fresh? Things are changing every time you turn around. And Athens does have alot of concrete apartments spread over the city, this is because it's a big city, but this is not all that is there. There is modern business districts, old historical areas (filled with neoclassical buildings), parks, sports activities everywhere, a beach, mountains.... But hey, whats the point, it's not as if your opinions are biased or anything.

Maybe you should take a look here again: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=252099&page=3&pp=20

I lived in Athens. I was not happy with the way Greeks viewed Albanians, although I am still impressed by the Greek left, however the city on its own was great. Even when you look at pictures of Paris, you see concrete blocks one after another, this is how modern cities are for that matter, be they in Asia or Europe. Athens offers fewer historical parts than most other European cities, but still it offers some, and definitely much more than Tirana offers ( I do not even think that there can be a comparison here since Tirana offers few historical parts even by Albanian standards). Middle Eastern Architecture is completely absent, from what I saw in Athens. And also, there are many dense parts in the cities but there are also many nice parts, where there is a lot of green, spaces between apartments, sea, amazing hotels. Some of the squares are also really nice as well as monastiraki. There has also obviously been a lot of investment in infrastructure.

There is alot of concrete apartments with no roofs, but middle eastern architecture there is none of.


:lol:
What is middle eastern architecture to you?
Isnt it concrete wide buildings with no roof painted in white?

what a shitty day so far
I expected the ass whooping by the Swedes but I didn't expect to come back to this