Hey everyone,

I'm seriously thinking about moving from California (where I was raised) to Leeds or Manchester (with Edinburgh a third possibility) in the next 3 months. I'll be going with a bit of money saved up and a big suit case, and hoping to find work as a first choice, or enroll in a school of some type as a second.

Now some people have told me I'm crazy, and having never visited the UK, it may be that I may have an overly glorified image of life in England/Scotland.

The only European country I have spent time in is Germany (Heidelberg, Hamburg, Berlin) and I guess I assume it will be more or less the same, except people speak English instead of German. This sounds great to me, since I found German girls cute, German guys friendly (once you got to know them), and the cities really pleasant (a lot better than traffic-ridden California).

I guess instead of statistics and tourist facts, I'm trying to figure out what life would feel like as a resident of one of these cities.

Any of your thoughts would be appreciated.

Postings - 1, I suspect this post could go the same way as Leedslad's first post.

Sloopie - either way, you'll think the weather over here is shite compared to California.

P.S. Provincial German cities tend to be much more pleasant than ours, and I suspect the inhabitants (on average) have a higher standard off living - especially in the west.

P.P.S. Germany is also significantly cheaper to live in than the UK, if you are on a limited budget forget the UK, go and live someone on the continent, they'll speak English, but you'll also learn a forgein language.

Well, firstly I wouldn't go to Edinburgh, one reason becayse of the high cost of living. While some areas are better and some are worse, I think its fair to say Leeds is the more wealthy and retains the higher quality of life out of the 2. I think it is more expensive to buy in Leeds, on average, on the other hand though. You are almost guaranteed to find work, as long as you look, anywhere in the UK.
Salford (which some say is part of Manchester, some say isnt) was rated the 9th worst place to live in the UK, so don't go there! Whichever city you go to, you can visit whichever one easily- if you want to visit Edinburgh as well though, Leeds is certainly the better option for road travel, obviosuly different for flights and rail. What sort of living do you want anyway? City Living? Suburban?
btw, Edinburgh isn't that big and not really that exciting imo.

Edinburgh not big or exciting?

wtf?

So has either Leeds or Manchester got anything that gets anywhere close to 'The Fringe'?

Have either got anywhere near the amount of tourists that come - as it is an interesting place?

I suspect neither gets close to Edinburgh for the amount of employment in the city, yes there are poor bits, but all cities have crap bits, even Leeds.

Seriously, depending on what you want, and if you really want to move to the UK, don't write Scotland off, if you want to live in the countryside, but close to a city that generates a lot of wealth, then seriously consider Edinburgh.

I ain't going to get into the Manc / Leeds thing, but I'll simpy point out that you get what you pay for, as with most things. You could pay £3m for a decent house in suburbia in either city, have a great house in great surroundings. You could also pay about £30k for a house in either city, be surrounded by crap, and have a shit house.

Remember in this country, the suburbs tend to be mile better than inner city living - not the same as in Germany.

Well for countryside and city Leeds is a good choice also. 2/3 of its boundaries is green land, on the edge of the yorkshire dales national park. I'd move to Glasgow over Edinburgh if I was to live in Scotland.

From a somewhat biased viewpoint..... move to Leeds. I could list the reasons why, but then someone will only post something below contradicting everything I say....hehehe - mind you I would do the same if someone said Manchester was the best place so.... Anyway I'm rambling on now.
To be honest it's propably best to do your own research and decide what is best for you. In many respects both cities are similar - great nightlife, great shopping - but this might not be an important factor for you... Leeds (http://www.leeds.gov.uk/visiting/about%20leeds/menu.aspx?style=)

Sloopie it would be interesting to hear how Manc and Leeds are perceived over in the US? I didn't realise Americans had heard of anywhere except London in the UK.

I would suggest Preston, and I'm being very serious!
Although not as big as Manchester or Leeds, its still a very vibrant place with lots of historic buildings and beauty spots. We've got one of the fastest growing Uni's in the UK, despite it being the sixth largest already, the 3rd best college in Europe, a Vocational centre of excellence and the best college for sport in the UK!
You can get to anywhere in the UK either by bus or rail because of our excellent connections to the rail and motorway network.
We are about 20 minutes drive from Blackpool, the entertainment capital of Europe, 20 minutes drive from Manchester, the north west's metropolis, and about 35 minutes drive from Liverpool, the European capital of culture.
Also we are on the doorstep of some of the best countryside in the UK. From Preston city centre, you can be in the Lancashire countryside in around 10 minutes.
Also about 25 minutes drive up the M6 is the Lake District, probably the most popular national park in the country.
Preston itself is also a great place. Loads of shops, loads of night clubs, loads of pubs, loads of museums and loads of interesting places to visit like the Docklands, Avenham Park, the Collonades or the cultural quarter etc...
Also importantly, we are CHEAP. You could get accomodation here for only a fraction of the price you would have to pay in one of the larger provincial cities. The same goes for a lot of other stuff. Still quite expensive compared to the US though.

LOL is this a joke or what? Leedslad what makes you think Americans have only heard of London? My ex is American and I can assure you they have heard of Manchester, Birmingham, Edinburgh. When I went to Chicago, New York and San Fran, I met loads of people who had heard and indeed had been to Manchester. Not sure what they know about Leeds as I didn't ask.

Anyway Sloopie, You should move to Leeds, but I suspect you are living there already.

Could an admin check to see if Sloopie already exists - check his IP address, funny how his first post is as provocative as Leedslad's first.

So this is what humans have become.

Could an admin check to see if Sloopie already exists - check his IP address, funny how his first post is as provocative as Leedslad's first.
lol, I never thought of that. You could well be right!

Both cities are great, having just visited Manchester, and living near Leeds, I'll give my opinions.

First of all Manchester is the bigger city, quite a bit bigger, it's city centre ges on for what seems like miles, and has lots of great shops, nightlife etc... However, I'm not sure if this is important to you, but I personally found the city centre pretty ugly, and at parts bland looking, I suppose this is the price you pay for having such a large centre. Don't get me wrong, it has lots of beautiful old and new buildings, but they seem to be sandwiched between alot of 60's, 70's crap. The business distrcit where the majority of the offices are located is downright depressing. Plus I found it very spread out.

On the other hand, Leeds is the smaller city, but with a still very substantial city centre. I personally prefer Leeds City Centre, You never have to walk much more than a mile to anywhere, it's alot smaller, and for me easier to manage. However, it's large enough that places exist within it that I've still never been to. The city centre is much prettier, Leeds didn't suffer much due to the 60's. It still has the occasional 60's tat, but it's sandwiched between alot of beautiful looking old buildings and newer buildings, rather than vice versa, which is how the situation seems to be in Manchester. Leeds also has great shopping, the only way Manchester pips it, is that it has a few high end labels that Leeds doesn't. other than that, I'd say the shopping is equal. Everything is grouped together in Leeds much more, In the city cente, the residential areas, shopping areas, business areas and bar areas are all together. On any street you will find shops, a bar, a cafe, an office building and a residential building. Whereas in Manc the shopping areas seem alot more detatched from the business areas and the nightlife areas. They all seem to be in different parts of the city. I prefer the leeds setup, as it makes the city seem much more lively, and parts of the city centre don't die after 5:30pm, as when the shops and offices shut, the bars and the residents are still there. Parts of Manc turn into a ghost town after 6.

Manchester wins for nightlife, but it is very spread out.

One aspect I feel Leeds wins on is food. I spent hours in Manc looking for a nice, non chain cafe or resteraunt. Where as in Leeds you can find a good resteraunt or cafe on nearly every street. Plus if you're into your higher end food, leeds has a michelin starred resteraunt (An honour Manc has yet to achieve)

Both cities have some great suburbs, trendy inner city areas, aswell as plush highrise city centre flats. However, unless you're from the bay area, you'll probably get a much smaller house for your money than you currently ave in California. Especially if you wanna live in the city centre or in one of the popular inner city areas or suburbs.

I'd suggest visiting both for a couple of days before making any decision, then you can get a feel for both places. It's the best city I've been to (for me) in the UK yet.

Hey - I'm not Sloopie if that's what anyone is suggesting!? And yes my 'Is Leeds Playing Catch Up' WAS meant to be provocative.... I was meant to provoke a discussion (rather than a squabble) on which aspects Leeds needs to improve upon (Airport and arena etc). However I am relatively new to this site and did not realise the implications of my actions!! I can only beg for forgiveness. I never realised that people outside Leeds would be reading the thread. I honestly expected that it would be a discussion amongst Leeds folk about where Leeds should make it's next step forwards. I didn't think it would ever cause arguments over the definition of a city and a metropolitan area, and various other squabbles about which 'city' was 'best'. Naive to say the least.
Sloopie if you didn't realise, there is much competition, jealousy and even hatred(!) between Leeds and Manchester. It sparks mass arguement when posing questions comparing the 2 (as I have learnt myself). In a nutshell move to Leeds, Manc is awful (Haha - couldn't resist!!)

Skopie - shame you didn't find any decent restaurants, I am not familiar with the restaurants in Leeds so I won't compare.

There are obviously many Chinese restaurants in Manchester - I know not everyone likes Chinese, but still quite a good variety here.

Also, the area between Kendals and Castlefield is skattered with very good restaurants, they may not be on the main drags, you may need to look for them, but there are certainly many there.

The Manchester Good Food Guide does claim to have more restaurants in it than anywhere else in the country (apart from London), not much off a claim I admit since the criteria for gaining entry to the book are not high, but it does suggest there are plenty of restaurants out there - not saying better than Leeds, far from it, just hoping that if Skopie (or anyone else) comes to Manc in the near future, they will be able to find a decent restaurant.



P.S. I was in San Carlo (next to Kendals) on Friday, Steve MacManaman was sat on the table next to me.

Here's a pic of manchester,

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/quality.jpg

you know you want it.

If Sloopie isn't from Leeds I'll plat sawdust..what Californian refers to Manchester as Manc? (The post heading)LOL thats what gave it away IMO

have spent time in is Germany (Heidelberg, Hamburg, Berlin) and I guess I assume it will be more or less the same, except people speak English instead of German.
... and also our streets are much dirtier. :yes:

If you don't know any of the cities well I think Leeds would be my first choice because ..err... well... because I've not really been to Machester )... and you can visit other cities from Leeds anyway. Leeds is nice and compact so easy to get around and not too big and sprawled so is friendly and easy to feel at home in.

Leeds pepple are also well spoken and very nice people... not like the unplesant sort of folk you get from other cities. :)

If you fancy a look round Leeds without coming over.... VR LEEDS (http://www.vrleeds.com) is an excellent 360 degree photo website guide!
However apologies Sloopie if you are genuine. We all hate arguing about Leeds V Manchester but somehow we can't help ourselves :runaway: (we love it really - what else we got to do?) but people get suspicious.
To be fair the 1st post was at 3am - a normal time given time diff if you're in California I would guess?

Skopie, the business district you speak of, which bit exactly? I'm not spoiling for a fight like, I'm just intrigued. If you mean the main CBD with the HSBC building etc I'm quite surprised. The streets are awfully tight, but architectually is probably the richest part of Manchester. Having a wander around King Street and all that throws up some larvelly buildings. Are you sure you're not getting mixed up with another area, say Piccadilly?

dgnr - I was wondering that, but feared how I may be taken, possibly the Piccadilly Gardens and down Portland Street?

Skopie - shame you didn't find any decent restaurants, I am not familiar with the restaurants in Leeds so I won't compare.

There are obviously many Chinese restaurants in Manchester - I know not everyone likes Chinese, but still quite a good variety here.

Also, the area between Kendals and Castlefield is skattered with very good restaurants, they may not be on the main drags, you may need to look for them, but there are certainly many there.

The Manchester Good Food Guide does claim to have more restaurants in it than anywhere else in the country (apart from London), not much off a claim I admit since the criteria for gaining entry to the book are not high, but it does suggest there are plenty of restaurants out there - not saying better than Leeds, far from it, just hoping that if Skopie (or anyone else) comes to Manc in the near future, they will be able to find a decent restaurant.



P.S. I was in San Carlo (next to Kendals) on Friday, Steve MacManaman was sat on the table next to me.

Never got time to go around chinatown unfortunately. I will next time though.

There probably are some great resteraunts, but like you say, you need to go out of your way to look for them. What i prefer about Leeds is that you can find a good please to eat all over the city centre. The standard of food will probably be equal in both cities, I personally just prefer the setup in Leeds where the resteaunts are evenly scattered, and you can find one anywhere. I walked for 20 minutes in Manc and came across nothing but subway, starbucks and pret a manger.

It's a personal opininon realy, I'm probably just more use to the way small cities work with everything lumped together rather than in seperate districts, these were just my first impressions as a tourist wondering around aimlessly. My opininons may change as I visit more often, and get used to the Manchester setup.

Skopie - it has been discussed many many times on the Manc forum the likes of Subway are taking over, there must be in the region of 10 in the city centre alone these days.

It is not a good thing, they must be making it much harder for the independents to compete.

Skopie - it has been discussed many many times on the Manc forum the likes of Subway are taking over, there must be in the region of 10 in the city centre alone these days.

It is not a good thing, they must be making it much harder for the independents to compete.

Very true. Can't be far from that number in Leeds city centre now !

Skopie, the business district you speak of, which bit exactly? I'm not spoiling for a fight like, I'm just intrigued. If you mean the main CBD with the HSBC building etc I'm quite surprised. The streets are awfully tight, but architectually is probably the richest part of Manchester. Having a wander around King Street and all that throws up some larvelly buildings. Are you sure you're not getting mixed up with another area, say Piccadilly?

Thinking about it, it probably wasn't the main CBD. I just remember a massive area near the outskirts (I think) that was full of 60's office buildings, that went on for ages and was utterly depressing.

It wasn't picadilly, although that area around the station could do with a good clean up too.




Like I said, I was only there for a day, and my knowledge of the area was shaky. But personally I was expecting much more from Manc after the way it had been hyped up on this forum. I was expecting a gorgeous european capital, that was infinitely better than Leeds. In reality the city still has a long way to go, and whilst it is bigger and more important than Leeds, from what I saw, I still think Leeds is the better city.

Maybe I would've found it better if I wasn't expecting so much.

I still enjoyed my time though, and got a lovely pair of shoes, and will definately go back, and will probably enjoy myself more as I get to know the area better. I just think Manchester takes alot more effort to enjoy than Leeds.

As locals I'm sure you can give a better insight, these are just my impressions as a stranger to the city. You'd be best not to take them too seriously.

There are literally hundreds of places to eat in Central Manchester from African to Spanish, Italian, Armenian, Greek, Indian, French,Turkish; not to mention Chinatown(The biggest in the UK) Plus we have some major celebrity chefs that have opened up establishments in recent years serving top notch(all be it over priced) grub. Added to these there are over 500 cafes/bars who all serve food. Velvet in the Village is absolutely fantastic, also there are some great value Indian places in The Northern Quarter that give you 3 dishes for about £3:50 There are indeed a lot of chains but I would say many more that are not.

Very true. Can't be far from that number in Leeds city centre now !

Sad isn't it :( I had 5 on last count in leeds. Thankfully we still have quite a few independant places around that offer good food, I just hope they last. The traditional sit down resteraunts seem to be fairing much better, it's the sandwich places that seem to be suffering.

Wow, it was manchester that surprised me the most when i visisted. I thought it was truly amazing, especially the grand architecture. But i always start from the town hall and move out from there. Manchester is very big though, from Canal Street to the Cathedral and MEN, to the Northern Quarter and Piccadilly Station. There are a good few hidden squares also, especiall around Umist.

I think the observations off Munch and Skopie show that we have come a long way in Manchester, but there is still a very long way to go (no one denies this).


Skopie, next time before you go, post on the Manc forum and ask for suggestions as to where to go and see, maybe that way you won't struggle to find some off the better gems in the city centre.

Has anybody tried out the new floating Cafe Nero in the Triangle? I'm no fan of chains but that was fun!

Some pictures off that Nero under construction...

http://metrolinkpubcrawl.myphotos.cc:8080/Triangle/03-11-10/index.htm

I think the observations off Munch and Skopie show that we have come a long way in Manchester, but there is still a very long way to go (no one denies this).


Skopie, next time before you go, post on the Manc forum and ask for suggestions as to where to go and see, maybe that way you won't struggle to find some off the better gems in the city centre.

Definately. The trip was a bit spur of the moment, a friend asked me to go the university fair in the morning with her the night before. So very little planning involved.

One thing I did like about Manchester was the open spaces, there are plenty, Leeds has none, except millenium square, but there's not a blade of grass to be found. I even thought piccadilly gardens was nice, despite the stick some people give it (Although what's that god awful hotel building next to it?)

I'm very interested in going again, I was still very impressed (much more so than Liverpool) Was a very ruhed trip so had no time to visit Chinatown, canal street or the northen quarter, despite wanting to visit these places the most.

One thing I did like about Manchester was the open spaces, there are plenty, Leeds has none, except millenium square, but there's not a blade of grass to be found.




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Actually, I would agree that there is not enough greenery in the City Centre, but I am very suprised that Skopie hasn't found a blade of grass in the centre before.

Competition for Skopie. Spot the Blade of grass in these 6 City Centre locations.

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Hey! This is a forum about the developments in Leeds, download Msn Messenger and chat via that medium..

....I'm always amazed at the response to threads like these.
You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to suss this lad out, he's about as 'Californian' as meat-pie, chips and peas...... :|

There is not much grass in the core centre, but as soon as you get to the fringe of the city centre and then further out there is alot of open area. Quarry Hill, Paris Church/Kirkgate Area/Park Square areas all have some grass, but most city centres don't have that much open spae because its prime land which would make alot of money if it was developed. One of Leeds' great assets though is bein so close to the Dales.

Close this fucker down

Fuckoff sloopie your full of shite,,,,

:deadthrea

Thanks for the comparisons guys. And yes, I really am from California (Southern California to be exact) and have never set foot in the UK aside from Heathrow Airport during a layover.

In any case, it really does sound like Leeds is the best choice out of all the places in the UK for me. I'm told London is quite chaotic and expensive (something I want to get away from), and I've heard from a couple of people now that Leeds is a great up and coming city. I also want to work in the professional services sector (law, accounting, etc) and I read it has a lot of opportunities in this area.

I guess the only thing I fear is the high cost of living. I also wonder if there is a big difference between the "continental atmosphere" of Germany or France versus that of Northern England? Am I missing out on anything in your opinions?

Thanks!

Sure you'll love it over in Leeds, good luck in finding a job and all that.

The continental atmosphere in european cities is nothing like anything in the UK - but I guess you already know that.

the north has more of a continentql atmosphere than the south, pqrticularly north east where climate is drier. Newcastle, Leeds for example.

Yep, those pissed up Geordies around Bigg Market on Friday and Saturday really add to the continental feel off the place don't they. Middlesbourgh, Sunderland, Hartlepool and Darlington - our most cosmipolitan off cities (arf).

If by continental feel you mean 24 hr cities, relaxed with a cafe culture (and I don't mean Starbucks or Nero), then no not even the north east (arf II) has anything remotely like a 'European' feel.

Our cities are much more American in feel, we live in low density accomadation, with few people living in the centre of the cities - even if every cities current plans came to fruition then the munber of people in each city would still be miniscule.

Sloopie - what do you mean by European feel anyway, somewhere like Chamonix, is totally different from Prague, which is different from Paris, which is different from Barcelona.

the north has more of a continentql atmosphere than the south, pqrticularly north east where climate is drier. Newcastle, Leeds for example.

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Ha ha LN1, where do you trawl this up from? That's such a random comment! Parts of every big city in the UK have a very continental feel (whatever that may be!) to them be they north or south!

You're even trying to claim that the weather is good in Leeds now? Believe me I'm down on the south coast at the moment and the weather here is like the Med compared to Leeds!

Yep, those pissed up Geordies around Bigg Market on Friday and Saturday really add to the continental feel off the place don't they. Middlesbourgh, Sunderland, Hartlepool and Darlington - our most cosmipolitan off cities (arf).

:D Ah yes the Dolce Vita Teesside style! A pint and a Parmo!

Thanks for the comparisons guys. And yes, I really am from California (Southern California to be exact) and have never set foot in the UK aside from Heathrow Airport during a layover.

In any case, it really does sound like Leeds is the best choice out of all the places in the UK for me. I'm told London is quite chaotic and expensive (something I want to get away from), and I've heard from a couple of people now that Leeds is a great up and coming city. I also want to work in the professional services sector (law, accounting, etc) and I read it has a lot of opportunities in this area.

I guess the only thing I fear is the high cost of living. I also wonder if there is a big difference between the "continental atmosphere" of Germany or France versus that of Northern England? Am I missing out on anything in your opinions?

Thanks!

I would seriously suggest visiting a few english citites first, as the feeling is one all their own, and very little like German cities.

As for cost of living, what sort of place are you looking for? Do you have kids? Looking for a suburban, inner city or city centre place, and how many bedrooms?

Sloopie it would be interesting to hear how Manc and Leeds are perceived over in the US? I didn't realise Americans had heard of anywhere except London in the UK.

Leeds was propelled to world fame after becoming the terroist hub of the uk :)

Any publicity is good publicity, apparently.

Deleted - would have probably started another fight.

well to begin with, the weather for Leeds (and most of Yorkshire and the NE) is generally better than the country's average- Harrogate is suppsedley famous for having lots of sun. I always found that the south was more traditional english and the style of everything in the north was more european. I used to live in Eastbourne (South Coast, east of Brighton), despite a long time ago, and during the winter the temperatures here are much more mild (more windy on the coast, particularly around Eastbourne), but in the south the temperatures are warmer, but then on the other hand this region has more sunshine.
Leeds has a contiental feel throughout most of the city centre, except the fiancial dsitrict probably, but I can't find anywhere continental like in London.

Leed No. 1 have you even been to Europe? Let me assure you, it isn't like Leeds.

and during the winter the temperatures here are much more mild (more windy on the coast, particularly around Eastbourne), but in the south the temperatures are warmer, but then on the other hand this region has more sunshine.

Er, make up yer mind LN1! You've contradicted yourself twice there fella!

I refuse to believe that Leeds weather is better than the national average, I love Yorkshire but it can be fricking freezing.

I know certain Manc posters go OTT getting you to back up your comments, but if you'll forgive me for saying so, you really do seem to make a rod for your own back on occasions by spouting a load of rubbish that you can't back up! I look forward to being proved wrong when you can prove statistically that Leeds has a better climate than the south coast!

Yes its fact- most people would imeediateley refuse it but its still true whether they want to believe it or not. Most of the city outside the centre is not european, but the core is a bit.

Yes its fact- most people would imeediateley refuse it but its still true whether they want to believe it or not.

But this is exactly what I'm saying LN1, you can't just make comments and say 'yes but it's true because I know it is'! Where's your proof? There are plenty of weather maps on the internet for you to post a hyper link to!

If you come on here spouting a load of rubbish like northern cities are more cosmopolitan than southern cities and Leeds is warmer than the south coast, you've got to be expected to be challenged. If you can't come up with facts to back yourself up then you lose credibility.

Well to begin with, I'm not too bothered whether they want to believe it or not, because their opinion won't change the fact. www.uksfavouritecity.com has some facts about this, and Channel 4 also states it. During July, London's average temperature is 1c warmer than Leeds, alot down to unnatural reasons. Google it and pick any result.

http://www.worldclimate.com/cgi-bin/data.pl?ref=N53W001+2100+0334701G1 Leeds' annual rainfall 693.4mm
http://www.worldclimate.com/cgi-bin/data.pl?ref=N51W000+2100+03776W London Gatwick Airport annual rainfall 752.1mm
http://www.worldclimate.com/cgi-bin/data.pl?ref=N50W001+2100+03862W Bournemouth Airport annual rainfal 805.7mm

www.metoffice.gov.uk backs it up too.

1026hours of sun average annually london, 1680 in harrogate. The Pennines are the reason, and when the UK is divide into the 4 main climate zones, the north/south border comes across at Newcastle/Carlisle area and east/west follows the pennines.

Postings - 1, I suspect this post could go the same way as Leedslad's first post.

Sloopie - either way, you'll think the weather over here is shite compared to California.

P.S. Provincial German cities tend to be much more pleasant than ours, and I suspect the inhabitants (on average) have a higher standard off living - especially in the west.

P.P.S. Germany is also significantly cheaper to live in than the UK, if you are on a limited budget forget the UK, go and live someone on the continent, they'll speak English, but you'll also learn a forgein language.

I agree, Does it rain alot in UK?

Well to begin with, I'm not too bothered whether they want to believe it or not, because their opinion won't change the fact. www.uksfavouritecity.com has some facts about this, and Channel 4 also states it. During July, London's average temperature is 1c warmer than Leeds, alot down to unnatural reasons. Google it and pick any result.

http://www.worldclimate.com/cgi-bin/data.pl?ref=N53W001+2100+0334701G1 Leeds' annual rainfall 693.4mm
http://www.worldclimate.com/cgi-bin/data.pl?ref=N51W000+2100+03776W London Gatwick Airport annual rainfall 752.1mm
http://www.worldclimate.com/cgi-bin/data.pl?ref=N50W001+2100+03862W Bournemouth Airport annual rainfal 805.7mm

www.metoffice.gov.uk backs it up too.

Sorry,
Leeds No 1, I have to agree with Smoggie - and I do so with 77 years of experience of living in Leeds, which I don't think you have. It is definitely warmer down south and especially in London and the SE - I don't care what the statistics show. The North generally is colder and, although iit might be a bit drier on this side of the Pennines, when that icy cold damp east or south east wind comes in from the North Sea, believe me, it is lousy. That enquirer from southern California wouldn't know what hit him. Still we do have central heating in our homes and offices, and our cars have air conditioning so I suppose to take advantage of all our other delights in Leeds he might be prepared to rough it with the natives. :)

I am sorry folks but Leeds No1 is correct. Leeds does have one of the lowest rainfall levels in the UK and infact Leeds has less rain than Paris, period.

SMARTCITY

The centre of Leeds, or any city centre, can be up to 10c warmer than the surrounding countryside. I am aware the north is generally colder, but either the cold has got colder or the north has got warmer, but there are exceptions in both areas. The South Downs for example have more rain than somewhere really flat like York or around Humberside. Leeds' geography helps it too, being surrounded by higher ground. Unfourtanetley when it does rain in Leeds though, its usually heavy (to what Ive found). Snow hasn't settled for more than about 2hours in Harrogate since 1995, and theres hardly ever snow here anyway, or floods or any extreme weather.
I'm not too bothered about what people want to believe anyway. The winters on the south coast are awful- the sea used to get blown across the seafront by some awful winds which were constant throughout the winter.

You only need to see the weather forecast to know London's the hottest place in the UK. Every day it seems to get the highest temperatures, and it has been like that for as long as I can remember.

You can believe what you like Leeds No. 1 but rainfall statistics by no means tell the whole story. It isn't necessarily the amount of rain that counts. You can be assured that we have more rainy days than London and the SE. I again come back to that horrible east wind off the North Sea. When I was at school, many eons ago, we were taught that the prevailing wind is from the south west. Wrong. I find it is now more likely to be from the east. I absolutely hate those raw days when it is !!.

London is only warmer because of the micro climate.

London is only warmer because of the micro climate.


That micro is pretty macro ! :)

Leeds has one of the lowest rainfalls, but it is by no means exactly the warmest place in the country.

This is how I would discribe the weather and its differances between the East and West of Northern England.

Spring.

The weather is sporadic both in the east and west, very changable at both sides, prodominantly more showers on the side of the Pennines of which the provailing wind comes.
Temperature range normally 12'c - 20'c with night frost possible

Summer.

The weather usually settles down to a large degree on both sides of the Pennines, a warm southerly breeze normally brings hot temperatures to both Leeds and Manchester. Any build up of showers sparked by the hot, normally humid weather are usually over the higher regions of the Pennines. A more westerly summer breeze tends to bring cloud over the western side of the Pennines including Manchester. The biuld up of cloud usually brings light showers over the hills in the central region, whilst to the east, citys such as Leeds normally remain dry with sun, or sunny intervals. Equally, a easterly wind, would cause the eastside of the Pennines to become largely overcast. The west side, including cities such as Manchester would be largely dry with sunny intervals. Long term hot conditions in the North of England are rare. Hot conditions usually only last a matter of days, followed by a large number of thunderstorms. Tornados are not unheard of and have been known to affect parts of the East side of the Pennines.
Temperature range normally 15'c - 24'c rare temperatures of upto 34'c

Autumn

Like the Spring, the weather becomes very sporadic at both sides of the Pennines. Usually the weather would come from a westerly direction, bringing weather fronts to all regions, generally the weather is split the east will get more wind less rain, the west will get more rain less wind.
Temperature range normally 8'c - 18'c rare temperatures of upto 26'c

Winter

The weather remains unstable and very changeable, with westerly winds, more rain tends to fall over the westside of the Pennines. Easterly winds bring cold weather to the whole of the North, the eastside of the Pennines are most likely to get snow at this point. The central to east side of the Pennines tends to recieve the most snowfall. Both Leeds and Manchester recieve little snowfall, because of there low lying geographical positions.
Temperature range normally 2'c - 8'c night and day frost possible
rare temperatures as low as -10'c

Not a patch on the climate of southern California !

This is funny as fuck - the thought that Leeds may be drier than west of the Pennines makes it the most European 'feel' city after London.

ycnmiu

This is funny as fuck - the thought that Leeds may be drier than west of the Pennines makes it the most European 'feel' city after London.

ycnmiu


Nobby, shut up! This is the Leeds forum. I have seen as much shite talked on the Manchester forum.

ycnmiu? You can name men in urinals?

Edit: You could not make it up. What about niastwnl.

I agree, Does it rain alot in UK?
No... not really... it just feels like it does. I'd describe the weather in the UK as more depressive than rainy.

The problem more with British weather so it is unpredictable and changeable. Because the UK is so small the differences in climate from one area to the other are not so great but if you live in the hills you get cooler wetter weather.

On the whole Leeds has a very decent climate... I'd be surprised if anyone claimed it didn't . One reason we moved to Leeds is the climate... the weather is slightly more settled here and maybe often even a little warmer than many areas of the UK. But I could live a couple of miles up the road and the temps can be quite a bit cooler and more wet and windy because that way's going up hill.

I also wonder if there is a big difference between the "continental atmosphere" of Germany or France versus that of Northern England?
Yes there is. This is Yorkshire... highly unique and Gods own Eden. Way better than them European cities! ( ...if you like Yorkshire better that is. )

My house is 500 ft above sea level - yet only some 4.5 miles from Leeds city centre as the crow flies. Yes, it is colder and windier up here and we do tend to get more and longer lying snow than in town. But on days when that damp raw east wind comes off the North Sea, I can assure you that every part of Leeds is affected.

England very rarely gets easterlies in Winter anymore, they were much more prominent in the 60's, but they seem to have died out recently.

Here are some photos I took around Manchester over the last couple of weekends to help you out some in your decision. :)

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/albert-square.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/arndale.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/barbirolli.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/beetham-road.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/beetham-up.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/bridgewater-hall.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/canalst-2.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/central-library.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/chethams2.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/chinatown.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/exchange-square.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/half-moon-chambers.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/hardman-boulevard.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/oyster-bar.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/palace.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/picc-gardens2.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/police-st.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/royal-exchange.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/stanns-square.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/town-hall.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/triangle.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/trinity-bridge.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/urbis2.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-08-20/urbis3.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/beetham-1.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/beetham-2.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/beetham-6.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/citygate-2.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/citylofts-2.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/citylofts-4.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/quays-1.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/quays-10.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/quays-11.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/quays-13.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/quays-14.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/quays-15.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/quays-2.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/quays-4.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/quays-5.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/quays-6.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/quays-7.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/quays-8.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/quays-9.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/ot-3.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/hulme-1.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/uni-1.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/townhall-1.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/shopping-1.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/library-1.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/tree-1.jpg

Sorry if those took a while to load. There are literally hundreds of great places I've not taken photos of yet.

England very rarely gets easterlies in Winter anymore, they were much more prominent in the 60's, but they seem to have died out recently.

Wrong. My old codger's bones feels then in every season ! Strangely enough when a real easterly wind blows in from the continent, in winter, London and the SE are the coldest in the UK.

Early Bird, your pictures of Manchester are very nice but this is the LEEDS thread. If we want to see Manchester in all its glory (and in atypical sunshine) we can all look at the Manchester thread. And BTW they did take ages to load - even on broadband ! Don't do it again, there's a nice boy !

I wouldn't post pictures of the new arndale exstension, it's the biggest piece of bland, ugly tat I've ever seen.

The rest of the pictures are pretty though :)

Early Bird, your pictures of Manchester are very nice but this is the LEEDS thread. If we want to see Manchester in all its glory (and in atypical sunshine) we can all look at the Manchester thread. And BTW they did take ages to load - even on broadband ! Don't do it again, there's a nice boy !
No, it's not the Leeds thread. It's the 'Moving from California to Leeds or Manc' thread.

I would hav thought it is only someone from the North West or West Yorkshire that would refer to Manchester as 'Manc' not someone from Southern California!

I would have thought it is only someone from the North West or West Yorkshire that would refer to Manchester as 'Manc' not someone from Southern California!

No, it's not the Leeds thread. It's the 'Moving from California to Leeds or Manc' thread.

OK Earlybird, if you want to be pedantic, it's the Leeds forum. I believe there is one devoted to Manchester. I doubt you would be pleased if we sent pictures of Leeds (or elsewhere) to it. :)

OK Earlybird, if you want to be pedantic, it's the Leeds forum. I believe there is one devoted to Manchester. I doubt you would be pleased if we sent pictures of Leeds (or elsewhere) to it. :)
The thing is, though, that forum etiquette dictates that we do not create duplicate threads in multiple fora. For this reason, if a thread names multiple subjects, both subjects should be discussed in that thread rather than a duplicate thread being made in the sub-forum for each said subject.

The thing is, though, that forum etiquette dictates that we do not create duplicate threads in multiple fora. For this reason, if a thread names multiple subjects, both subjects should be discussed in that thread rather than a duplicate thread being made in the sub-forum for each said subject.


Pedantry ad nauseam, Earlybird. May work in Manchester. With 7,639 postings you must be a dab hand at it !

I am sorry folks but Leeds No1 is correct. Leeds does have one of the lowest rainfall levels in the UK and infact Leeds has less rain than Paris, period.

SMARTCITY

London's avg July temperature is 23ºC, and 8ºC in Jan, meaning it is warmer than Leeds in summer and winter. The average rainfall is 584mm, not 700+, meaning it has less rainfall than Leeds. London is also slightly sunnier than Leeds with about 1700 hrs of sunshine, not 1000! London's climate is far better than Leeds in basically every measure.

Except rainfall, the pennines, Leeds' low level in comparison to the surrounding area are the main factors of why it has such a low rainfall, infact some sources claim it to be drier than Barcelona or Milan. London is only about 1c warmer, if that most of the year. Central London is hardly compareable- the ridiculous amount of pollution increases the heat alot.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/city_guides/results.shtml?tt=(none)

http://www.online-hotel-bookings.co.uk/Climate/leeds.html


infact some sources claim it to be drier than Barcelona or Milan.


Does this mean Leeds has a more continental feel than both Milan and Barcelona??? :)

Except rainfall, the pennines, Leeds' low level in comparison to the surrounding area are the main factors of why it has such a low rainfall, infact some sources claim it to be drier than Barcelona or Milan. London is only about 1c warmer, if that most of the year. Central London is hardly compareable- the ridiculous amount of pollution increases the heat alot.

London is 2ºC warmer in winter but about 4ºC warmer in summer. 8ºC vs 6ºC in Jan, and 23ºC vs 19ºC in Jul. You can say its usually warmer than 19ºC in Leeds, but its also usually warmer than 23ºC in London; so far this month it hasn't been lower than 25ºC.

I've posted this before, but here is the climate of Greenwich in east London. West and central London are slightly sunnier and warmer.

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5076/greenwichclimate8iz.jpg

Why you mentioning London...? I thought no one actually wanted to live there...

But you're right..... it's a twidge hotter in London... due to body heat...so many sweaty bodies all squashed together. I hate London in the summer... no breeze of fresh air to cool you down.... I find it gets to feel rather unpleasantly hot... not like Leeds which has a delightfully comfortable climate all year round. :)



My old codger's bones feels then in every season !
Oh you poor old love. :hug:


Here... for your bones: :cheers2:

Oh you poor old love. :hug:


Here... for your bones: :cheers2:


Thanks for the commiseration, Molly, but they do say that every age has its compensation.

I hope that drink is a good malt whisky :)

The sunshine is still lower...

I had to chuckle when I saw loads of great Manchester photos on a Leeds thread. So come on Leeds folk, lets see loads of great Leeds photos so sloopie can compare before he makes up his mind which city he wants to move to from sunny California ;)

The sunshine is still lower...

Stop making stupid comments. Based on the statistical averages for the closest station to each city, here are the figures:

Rainfall:
London - 583.6mm
Manchester - 806.6mm
Birmingham - 622.3mm
Liverpool - 871.3mm
Leeds - 824.7mm

Sunshine:
London - 1461.0 hours
Manchester - 1394.5 hours
Birmingham - 1379.2 hours
Liverpool - 1540.3 hours
Leeds - 1380.6 hours

Well that's alright then Earlybird. Manchester still beats Leeds in the rainfall and sunshine stakes. I am sure you must be very happy - don't forget to mention this on the Manchester forum. :)

Well this is a comparison of the cities for this Californian person after all. It's not like comparing our transport networks, arenas, stadia, shopping areas and the like would really be fair is it? :)

Yup, when I move somewhere, the amount of stadiums it has is top of the list ;)

Well this is a comparison of the cities for this Californian person after all. It's not like comparing our transport networks, arenas, stadia, shopping areas and the like would really be fair is it? :)

Quite. It would be like comparing your 7,657 postings to my paltry 423 !

Yup, when I move somewhere, the amount of stadiums it has is top of the list ;)
I was talking from a qualitative perspective rather than a quantitative one. Quantitative would be a complete whitewash...

Well, having lived in both cities I see it like this:

Manchester has a much larger City Centre and is very impressive. Leeds has a smaller City Centre which is also impressive and, IMHO, a nicer place to be than Manchester. The quality of life both these cities offer is excellent and there is nothing to choose between them unless you're heavily into music, in which case you should live in Manchester as it has the best Arena in the country. Leeds has not got one yet, something which is badly needed.

Leeds' poorest ward is only 36th poorest in the country, so a good place to live, although the cost of living is probably higher. Manchester's city centre is larger, but then again, its more spread out and you have to walk for ages to get around the mixed up city centre, where as Leeds is divided clearly into quarters so you can easily wonder round the relevant areas.

http://www.world-guides.com/images/leeds/leeds_shopping2.jpg http://www.leodis.org/discovery/images/2003416_743199647.jpg www.vqeeds.com
http://filizyilmaz.net/gallery/albums/leeds-september-2004/img_1847.sized.jpg www.cornx.net
http://www.biology.leeds.ac.uk/assets/Briggate.jpg King Edward Street, currently being repaved.
http://www.lookingatbuildings.org.uk/img_hr/LeedsbriggateVictoria.jpg Now properley pedestrianized.
http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2004/leeds/Albion_Place.jpg
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/travel/tg/lp/85/500x500_85ee576a502e342ebfd7e87979775540.jpg Europe's largest indoor market with further stalls outside.
http://home.1asphost.com/janstubbs/K2big-1.JPG Next to The Light, K2 and The Cube houses top quality bars such as the hard rock café and tigertiger.
http://www.biology.leeds.ac.uk/assets/MillenniumSquare.jpg
http://www.quarmby.co.uk/images2003/electric_press352.jpg Now built.
http://www.no-ordinary-city.co.uk/images/370x245_citysq11.jpg
http://www.no-ordinary-city.co.uk/images/370x245_citysquare9.jpg
http://earth.leeds.ac.uk/uginfo/images/kirkstallabbey.jpg
http://www.leeds-cityscape.co.uk/photos/18-02-2005/Park%20Square.jpg
http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/leeds/leeds.m46.station.jpg
http://www.leeds-uk.com/river/fullimages/DSCF0022X_f.jpg
http://img233.exs.cx/img233/2276/leeds82dx.jpg A rapidly changing skyline.

I've tried to get medium sized images so it doesnt take too long to load. Most of these are of the historic side of Leeds, rather than the modern and countryside sides of Leeds. That is simply by chance. I didnt wan't to post too many...

Leeds No. 1, do you not have some decent pictures of Leeds? Sorry, but that really is a poor selection compared to the Manchester lot. I know Leeds is better than that.

Here we are. More pictures to show everyone why so many people think of Manchester as the best city in the UK...

@ Earlybird. Good lord man. You need to either:

a) get out of the house a bit; and/or
b) get laid.

Otherwise, indeedy fine photos.

Merthinks he doth protest too much (about Manchester !)

jesus earlybird, you didn't have to post a billion images!

"Merthinks he doth protest too much (about Manchester !)"

well he's not been on for weeks so he's gotta make up for it.

Do we realy need that many photos early bird, no ones gonna look through all them, I looked at the first 10 then spent about 20 minutes scrolling to the bottom. We've seen enough pictures of Manc already, can you narrow those down to a shortlist of 10 or 15? I don't see how you expect anyone too look through all that.

Surely you have better things to do?

For your own sake I wish you do.

EB, are you sure that's enough? :crazy:

. I also want to work in the professional services sector (law, accounting, etc) and I read it has a lot of opportunities in this area.




You're a lawyer and an accountant?

You're a lawyer and an accountant?

Financial law?

Either way, that's another part of his post that seems a little dodgy.

Would that be that rather mesmerising Elephant building, way out in the Far East, located in your avatar slot, oh Skoperific one?

Yes indeed, she's a beauty, an ugly beauty, but a beauty never the less.

http://thomasriddle.net/high-on-chatuchak/images/elephant-building.jpg

"Woof"

http://www.242skateboards.com/thailand/elephant-building.jpg

"Moo"

Well done EB you win the "I have the most nice photos of my city" contset. I feel vindicated about what I said last night (apologies about the foul language Fred) Things have gone from bad to worse though.
Btw, what was so special about half of those photos EB?

What's this? It does big piddles on your pictures EB. Manchester town hall is no better than Bradford's.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/davidlufc/Leeds.jpg

As lovely as it is, the clock broke tonight. It was stuck at 6:34 by the time I went home at 10.

What is the point in posting loads of photos?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/davidlufc/City.jpg

It's just showing off !

Leeds No. 1, do you not have some decent pictures of Leeds? Sorry, but that really is a poor selection .

.... that's not kind... :(... one of those non decent pics is mine.... oh well... I can take critisism.... :) ....actually and honestly..... no I cant.....:cry: it took me ages to get sun to come out ( which normally shines gloriously over Leeds 24/7 )to get the shiny bit! I was dead proud of that sparkle. :yes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/jenajuk/newcameratest034smll.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/jenajuk/newcameratest031smll.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/jenajuk/newcameratest0small.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/jenajuk/Picturecitysmll.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/jenajuk/Picturecity0small.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/jenajuk/citysqbig-amall.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/jenajuk/newcameratest040amll.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/jenajuk/Picture_smasll.jpg

These are all way old though.... I don't get much time to get taking photos these days... your photos are lovely though... but they are professional rather than our not perfect snaps. I don't think any of us Leeds lot at the moment are in the catagoury of being right brilliant pro photographers we're just mostly happy snappers....so like I tend to find water keeps getting in the way of my Leeds shots and all that. But Leeds itself is actually a very photogenic and very attractive city...of course. :)

Well done EB you win the "I have the most nice photos of my city" contset. I feel vindicated about what I said last night (apologies about the foul language Fred) Things have gone from bad to worse though.
Btw, what was so special about half of those photos EB?

What's this? It does big piddles on your pictures EB. Manchester town hall is no better than Bradford's.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/davidlufc/Leeds.jpg
Quite a nice building, but I think it's out of proportion. The pillars on the clock tower look like someone chopped the clock off and stuck some pillars underneath to make it taller whilst the clock looks too small for the tower. Personally I prefer the larger Manchester town hall, which to my eye is more in proportion. Incidentally, for those who care, Manchester's town hall is the largest and most expensive in the UK, costing over £1,000,000 to construct way back in the last century. That's a little shy of 10 times more than Birmingham's council house cost. :)

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/5142/4683ww.jpg

Leeds town hall looks a little like Bolton's, only with the clock chopped off and some odd looking pillars added under it.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7152/4316zn.jpg

EB many thanks for getting my work internet account locked out due to the huge data download volume of your Manc pictures the other day, much appreciated. Use yer brain man.

I particularly liked the way that when other posters questioned why you were posting huge volumes of pictures of Manchester on the Leeds forum you decided to post another tranche.

EB many thanks for getting my work internet account locked out due to the huge data download volume of your Manc pictures the other day, much appreciated. Use yer brain man.

I particularly liked the way that when other posters questioned why you were posting huge volumes of pictures of Manchester on the Leeds forum you decided to post another tranche.
Earlybird is just showing sloopie what a great city Manchester is. I'am sure sloopie would like to see more Leeds pics.

Earlybird is just showing sloopie what a great city Manchester is. I'am sure sloopie would like to see more Leeds pics.

Yes it's vital to post hundreds of pictures in order to give someone an idea of what a city is like.:bash:

I wouldn't have minded if EB had used a bit of common sense and posted about 10 pictures but as usual he decided to be a tit.

Yes it's vital to post hundreds of pictures in order to give someone an idea of what a city is like.:bash:

I wouldn't have minded if EB had used a bit of common sense and posted about 10 pictures but as usual he decided to be a tit.
You may feel that 10 pictures is enough to represent smaller cities like Leeds or Sheffield, but Manchester is a large city with a city centre roughly the size of Leeds and Liverpool combined. There is such massive variety within the city that no 10 pictures could possibly give adequate representation.

Don't be silly, that is far too many images EB, and you know it.

If I knew it then I wouldn't have posted them...

You may feel that 10 pictures is enough to represent smaller cities like Leeds or Sheffield, but Manchester is a large city with a city centre roughly the size of Leeds and Liverpool combined. There is such massive variety within the city that no 10 pictures could possibly give adequate representation.

Is it realy nessecerry to post 3 picture of the same tree?

There's more than 500 picture there. 50 would've been too much. 500 is pathetic.

If I knew it then I wouldn't have posted them...

If you really don't know that 500 pictures is too many and would cause problems for people then you're even more of a tit than I thought EB.

Of course it was one of your usual pathetic points scoring Manchester vs Leeds games. Get a life.

Is it realy nessecerry to post 3 picture of the same tree?

I don't see 3 pictures of any tree. Also, if you see some pictures with the same thing in the foreground, try bearing in mind that the background may in fact be the subject of the picture and that the foreground may simply be to help people judge the pictures in relation to each other. It gives some sense of spatial awareness.

There's more than 500 picture there. 50 would've been too much. 500 is pathetic.
More than 600... Also, I find it more pathetic that you can have an entire sub-forum for a city on an architectural site and not have managed to gather together more than half a dozen decent pictures. I think the fact we have so many (I could have posted hundreds and hundreds more) simply proves that Manchester truly is one of the best cities in the world.

If you really don't know that 500 pictures is too many and would cause problems for people then you're even more of a tit than I thought EB.
Why would it cause problems? They're thumbnails. In terms of size, they probably take up about the same amount of bandwidth as maybe 10 decent sized photos.

Of course it was one of your usual pathetic points scoring Manchester vs Leeds games. Get a life.
It's not point-scoring. This is a comparison of two cities for a guy who is considering moving to one or the other. If, however, you consider showing him photos to be "point scoring" then surely this is an inherent admission that Manchester beats Leeds in those areas?

The name 'Earlybird' will, for future generations, be the name given to a psychiatric disorder.

Why would it cause problems? They're thumbnails. In terms of size, they probably take up about the same amount of bandwidth as maybe 10 decent sized photos.

I think the fact that you caused my work internet account to be locked out is evidence enough.

If, however, you consider showing him photos to be "point scoring" then surely this is an inherent admission that Manchester beats Leeds in those areas?

Unlike you, I don't consider urban development to be a competition between cities. I very much like both Leeds and Manchester, have enjoyed many great days and nights out in Manchester and enjoy seeing development in both cities. If you are so insecure that you need to try and prove that one city is better than another, which is a completely subjective opinion based on personal preference, then I'll leave you to it. I just hope you realise what a sad blinkered individual you come across as being. Get out of the house, explore the country and enjoy other cities for what they are, be they in your opinion better or worse than Manchester.

I don't see 3 pictures of any tree. Also, if you see some pictures with the same thing in the foreground, try bearing in mind that the background may in fact be the subject of the picture and that the foreground may simply be to help people judge the pictures in relation to each other. It gives some sense of spatial awareness.


More than 600... Also, I find it more pathetic that you can have an entire sub-forum for a city on an architectural site and not have managed to gather together more than half a dozen decent pictures. I think the fact we have so many (I could have posted hundreds and hundreds more) simply proves that Manchester truly is one of the best cities in the world.

Maybe it proves that we have better things to do with our time...

London is one of the best cities in the world, and it could be sum up in 10 pictures.

Do you honestly believe any person is going to look at every one of those pictures?

Maybe it proves that we have better things to do with our time...
It's not like it took me a long time. I just uploaded them quickly whenever I came across them.

London is one of the best cities in the world, and it could be sum up in 10 pictures.
Bollocks.

Do you honestly believe any person is going to look at every one of those pictures?
No. The sensible person would scan through the thumbnails and view only those images that interested them. That is the basic concept of a thumbnail.

I think the fact that you caused my work internet account to be locked out is evidence enough.



Unlike you, I don't consider urban development to be a competition between cities. I very much like both Leeds and Manchester, have enjoyed many great days and nights out in Manchester and enjoy seeing development in both cities. If you are so insecure that you need to try and prove that one city is better than another, which is a completely subjective opinion based on personal preference, then I'll leave you to it. I just hope you realise what a sad blinkered individual you come across as being. Get out of the house, explore the country and enjoy other cities for what they are, be they in your opinion better or worse than Manchester.
I quite enjoy Leeds too. The simple fact of the matter is that this thread is to help a person decide where they want to live. I posted images of those places that make Manchester the place I want to live. If you are too insecure to see photos of another city in comparison to your own then don't go into threads which are obviously intended for comparisons to be made. It's quite simple really.

The name 'Earlybird' will, for future generations, be the name given to a psychiatric disorder.
Indeed. Unfortunately the affliction of smugness is commonplace amongst those who live in cities of such obviously superior quality. Some call it 'Parisian Syndrome'. London, Paris, Manchester... All cities of such outstanding quality that their residents begin to develop a smug persona when discussing other cities.

Manchester must be so proud of Early Bird :D

I could sum up manchester in 10 photos:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/skylinepano.jpghttp://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/skylinepano2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/quality.jpg

http://www.lowefoto.com/man/man01.jpg

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/ManPeterStDskV3913.jpg

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/ManSkylineGmexBlgsZ_2Z01.jpg

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/ManPrintwksNt0Y24.jpg

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/ManStreetLampTwrs4712.jpg

http://www.thepenthouseapartmenthotel.co.uk/images/the_view.jpg

sorry about the room, i just love the view

http://www.marriottmeetings.co.uk/html/hotels/ren_manchester/images/lg_property.jpg

http://www.lifting-world.co.uk/lawcourts%20manchester.jpg

Removed.

Kitr, what about Urbis? Isn't that symbolic of Manchester? What about the Quays? Aren't they symbolic of Manchester? What about Old Trafford? Aren't United pretty symbolic of Manchester? I can think of literally dozens of aspects to Manchester you've failed to touch on with those pictures.

A pointless museum built for the sake of it is symbolic of Manchester?

A pointless museum built for the sake of it is symbolic of Manchester?
Actually it's modern architecture, one of the best examples of it's kind in the world, designed by a world-renouned architect and intended for use as the North West regional parliament should we ever get a referendum. I think that's pretty symbolic.

do you think we will? get a referendum, i mean.

do you think we will? get a referendum, i mean.
Probably not. I'd rather have city-regional governance like in London (with the guarantee that the borders will expand with the conurbation too) rather than any kind of regional assembly anyway.

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Actually it's modern architecture, one of the best examples of it's kind in the world, designed by a world-renouned architect and intended for use as the North West regional parliament should we ever get a referendum. I think that's pretty symbolic.

That's all well and good, but it does fuckall for the time being doesn't it?