I have been told this morning that a guy who purchased the old Treasury Row building (where Louis Vuitton used to be) in Elizabeth St has put an application into council for an 82 story tower on this old site but even then will not build for a few years to come anyway. Anyone know anything else about this? This was all he could tell me, he didn't know much else, I didn't ask many questions as there were a few of us around talking about something completely different at the time and I didn't get back on the subject. 82 Story Resi, how high would that be??? 220m + ???

HOLY SHIT!

I heard about someone wanting to build there, but it was only for a small (maybe 15 stories) building :eek2:


This is great news, the area could do with some tallies :D

Wow! So did your source say it was a resi or are you just assuming. There are only 11 buildings in the world with 82 or more floors. If it had 3m floor-to-floor it would be 246m minimum, so probably taller than Vision (to roof anyway).

The Treasury Row building, isn't that on the corner of Elizabeth & George, next to Casino Towers. If so they'd have to build on top - they can't knock it down can they.
http://www.casinotowers.com.au/images/construction_may05a_large.jpg

The Treasury Row building, isn't that on the corner of Elizabeth & George, next to Casino Towers.

The building on the corner is the Family Services building and is heritage listed, along with a whole lot of the buildings in the area. Treasury Row is beside the Family Services building down Elizabeth Street - opposite to the Myer Centre.

Im not trying to play it down here but Im not sure he new exactly what he was on about. What I mean is he might of said 80 odd storeys but could of meant 80 metres instead...... But one thing he did say which I totally forgot about before, and was quite surprised that he knew, was that he said that about 30 floors of the building will be a hotel and the rest will be residential.

As I said, he just told me really in passing this morning. I started the thread on here to see if anyone can get any hard facts.

Treasury row in the photo above is down the Elizabeth st side just after the old building on the corner - so really right behind Casino towers in that pic backing on to the telstra building.

If sombody know what the adress is just look it up on the BCC website, if there is an application it will be listed there.

Google tells me it's 47(-79) Elizabeth. I already checked, there's no DA's for that vicinity. It could just be that it's only just been lodged and council hasn't processed it yet..............or that it doesn't exist.

doesnt suprise me that much lol.

The councils new draft comes out supporting tall buildings in specific areas,
The developer gets bold,

Hence 80 story building.



Sounds about 255m (30 hotel + 50 resi)
If theres a 4 level podium, it would be (4 Podium + 30 Hotel + 46 Resi = 259m)

Biggun.
Hope its true.

is this still in the "Sensitive Area" that the CBD masterplan has allocated. I havent looked but it might be as its so close to the mall.

if its not. HEYA. BRING IT ON!

I have been told this morning that a guy who purchased the old Treasury Row building (where Louis Vuitton used to be) in Elizabeth St has put an application into council for an 82 story tower on this old site but even then will not build for a few years to come anyway. Anyone know anything else about this? This was all he could tell me, he didn't know much else, I didn't ask many questions as there were a few of us around talking about something completely different at the time and I didn't get back on the subject. 82 Story Resi, how high would that be??? 220m + ???

In Prime Site a few months ago there was a story about developers who had just amalgamated the site and that something was proposed but it did not go into detail.

There are several things to consider before we get excited:
Heritage issues - is treasury row heritage listed? If so forget it.
Proximity to the Mall - remember they don't want tall buildings next to the mall though this is a block away which is good. Draft master plan has details on this. I think it may be in the unlimited height area.

Well I just asked and its not heritage listed:)

Tresuary Row are the white low rise buildings up the end of the street on the Left Hand Side.
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/7210/treasuaryrow2wy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Its a block away from the mall. I believe the masterplan image showed that as unlimited.

Ok, it's good that it's not listed as "Heritage" for the reason building the tower, but why the fuck isn't it??? This is one of the best older buildings in Brisbane!!

Ok, it's good that it's not listed as "Heritage" for the reason building the tower, but why the fuck isn't it??? This is one of the best older buildings in Brisbane!!

Not the one on the corner, the little white ones just down from it.

Oh yeah...duh!

The site is in a sensitive area under the new City Plan, but it's just a draft - it hasn't come into effect yet. If it's already with council it'll be accessed under the existing plan wont it?
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5671/sensitiveareas9ni.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

its barely in the sensitive area...

if at all.

its possibly right on edge of that blob oppisite south bank.

I hardly think the "blobs" are actually very specific. Like Oriolus said, it's still a draft. I wonder what that one near Vision is for.

i doubt this project will ever happen. 80 stories is too unrealistic for Brisbane. 80m would sound believable

...... i cant believe after all the news lately u come out with that drivvle

i doubt this project will ever happen. 80 stories is too unrealistic for Brisbane. 80m would sound believable

Vision is 72, which really isn't that far off...

I would admitt that i'll be surprised (the good kind) if this does turn out, but I definately don't think it is impossible or unrealistic.

i doubt this project will ever happen. 80 stories is too unrealistic for Brisbane. 80m would sound believable
At least you're optimistic about it.

Nothing is unrealistic, especially after the scale of the new CBD masterplan.

i would love this to happen but its not in the right precinct. if this was rumoured to be around the eagle st district then i could believe it, but elizabeth st, i dunno!

I have to agree with Maroon on this one - Elizabeth St right near Casino Towers does seem like a kind of strange place for an 80 floor bldg...

I thought it was a bit far fetched also but don't worry, Im going to ask more questions when I see this guy again which should be soon. Hopefully he can tell me more.

Vision is 72, which really isn't that far off...If it does happen it'll be second only to Eureka for number of floors. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was true.

The "Flooriest" Buildings in Australia
SSP Diagram (http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?12584916)

Eureka - 91
Q1 - 78
World Tower - 73
Soul - 72
Vision - 72
Circle on Cavill B - 70
Aurora - 69
Prima - 67
(stats from Emporis - SSP is slightly different but the same order)

JayT passed this info on to me. Bad news - it hasn't actually been proposed yet. Good news - it'll be mostly office!!!

The tower on Elizabeth Street - Tresuary Row -
Aparently its only "in Duscussion" with council at the moment
that a tower of "up to 80 Stories" is planned for the site.
The tower will be mostly office with a large hotel componant.
Some or a little residential will be incuded at the top but it
will mostly be Hotel and Office - mixed use.

Is it just me or does that come to over 300m

:|

If it was mainly office and hotel, it would be difficult to not pass 300m.

now thats enough for me to put in a pointless wow post.

wow.

so the silly 250m height limit doesnt exist anymore? wow, sounds very promising

yeah well, the draft CBD masterplan had stated that there can be unlimited height in "non-sensitive" areas.

As I think someone has already pointed out - the Masterplan is still in draft mode, which means the 250 height limit is still enforceable > meaning that any DA submitted before the Masterplan is approved, will have to meet the current requirements (250m max)

^^

Well, I suppose this is the "test" to see how serious they are about the CBD masterplan.

A developer can still proposed beyond 250m, but after that I think they go through the state govt??

If it does happen it'll be second only to Eureka for number of floors. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was true.

The "Flooriest" Buildings in Australia
SSP Diagram (http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?12584916)

Eureka - 92
Q1 - 78
World Tower - 73
Soul - 72
Vision - 72
Circle on Cavill B - 70
Aurora - 69
Prima - 67
(stats from Emporis - SSP is slightly different but the same order)
and if you want to have TOTAL floor count (basements)

Eureka-91
World Tower-83
Q1-80
Vision-80?
Soul-77
Circ B-72
Aurora-70? anyone know how many basements?
MLC-68
Prima-67
GPT-64

A developer can still proposed beyond 250m, but after that I think they go through the state govt??

Yep, I'm sure they'll be more than happy to approve it *cough* *Emerald* *splutter* *chunder*

Emerland was still under 250mRL (248m) and 229m above grd. i think the issue council had was carparking and how slim the tower was.

I had a look at the site yesterday and think that an 80 storey tower there has about the same chance as Emerald of being approved. The site is about 6 or 7 shops wide, appears nowhere near big enough and is poorly located in comparison with Vision for example which has a site area about 3 times as large. Anything built on Treasury Row would have to be very thin like Emerald, which would therefore severely limit its chances of approval.

It seems really unlikely this will ever happen.

thanks for your input with your beautiful reasoning techniques developed over the long time youve been observing development in Brisbane.

I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to see a tall tower on this site or elsewhere, especially in light of the new masterplan. 80 stories isn't much anyway, Gold Coast has that, Vision is almost 80, and Brisbane did afterall entertain much taller proposals in the past.

I would have thought that this site would be too small for anything too tall, but I dont think you would have any shadowing issues in this position.

this one looks doubtful, but i reckon another 80 storey tower will probably be proposed sooner rather than later somewhere in the city.

to achieve 80storeys you require a large site . It all equates to "floor space ratio". bigger the block of land the taller or larger the bldg can be. if its only a smallish site, chances are it wil be a smallish bldg.
Just look at Visions site area.

to achieve 80storeys you require a large site . It all equates to "floor space ratio". bigger the block of land the taller or larger the bldg can be. if its only a smallish site, chances are it wil be a smallish bldg.
Just look at Visions site area.

then should we expect something big on the cnr of george & turbot streets?

Hopefully, Unless they split the site up.

I had a look at the site yesterday and think that an 80 storey tower there has about the same chance as Emerald of being approved. The site is about 6 or 7 shops wide, appears nowhere near big enough and is poorly located in comparison with Vision for example which has a site area about 3 times as large. Anything built on Treasury Row would have to be very thin like Emerald, which would therefore severely limit its chances of approval.

Actually the Treasury Row site is somewhere between 53% and 65% of Vision. So it really isn't that small.

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/733/citymapsites0eo.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


What i THINK it is.. i could be off.
I dont know if Vision is only those 4 areas or its the 6.

And im also guessing as to treasury row.

Either way it can hold 200m. It looks the same or bigger than Cp1's site
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/8075/citymapsitesguess2wr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Actually the Treasury Row site is somewhere between 53% and 65% of Vision. So it really isn't that small.

There is a sign on Treasury Row stating the site area as 1993 sqm. Vision will be on 5478 sqm according to original Austcorp press release. The ratio is therefore 36%.

the main part of vision, ie the residential part, uses like half the site.

Look at the DA's (if theyre still up) and check the floor plans.

On the same zoom, for comparison, Emeralds site.

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/659/citymapsitesemerald6yv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Hopefully, Unless they split the site up.

They already have.

There is a sign on Treasury Row stating the site area as 1993 sqm. Vision will be on 5478 sqm according to original Austcorp press release. The ratio is therefore 36%.

You're probably right.

My map has Treasury row consisting of the area you have highlited plus the two next door and Vision coverin the 6 blocks. This gave 1.5sq cm v 2.28sq cm (thus the 65%) though I though one blocks might not be included so 1.2sq cm v 2.28sq cm (53%). Removing the last block would make it 0.9sq cm (39%). Close enough.

If thats the case then that site is more tan capable of having a 250m scraper on it.

Well I mean like how big is say the Eureka tower site for instance, from memory that does'nt look very big (it might be but it doesn't look it)?

In any case, all will become apparent in good time;)

If thats the case then that site is more tan capable of having a 250m scraper on it.

The problem is that although a 250 metre tower may be possible, the individual floors would be relatively small and consequently the building may not be economically viable.

Wouldn't access to the site impact on any decision? Vision has two street access from Margaret and Mary streets, both relatively quiet streets. This site only has access from Elizabeth St...one of the busiest in the CBD. I would imagine council would take this into account when aproving any development.

Yeah but I mean, would kind of access does Riparian or Aurora have?

They would only need one lane of Elizabeth St, which for most of the day is taken up by parking anyway so it wouldnt be that bad.

What about Bris Square, it's on flanked by busy roads on 3 sides.

Well I mean like how big is say the Eureka tower site for instance, from memory that does'nt look very big (it might be but it doesn't look it)?

In any case, all will become apparent in good time;)
Eurekas site is actually quite large. The site also consists of a hotel & carpark built as part of complex a few years ago. The tower was last part of project which only recently was added.

Yeah but I mean, would kind of access does Riparian or Aurora have?

aurora has 2 street fronts in wharf and elizabeth sts and also has a side lane as well.

riparian has a large area in front of the plaza in which materials can be stored and trucks can park.

the site on elizabeth would be restricted with only 1 street frontage but they have the lane beside the pancake manor on charlotte st. also being next door to apartments, work hours would be restricted to the day time eliminating night time deliveries and excavation. it would be a hard one

What about Bris Square, it's on flanked by busy roads on 3 sides.

brisbane square has the best access in all of Brisbane. We have 1 lane of adelaide st, enough room for trucks on the footpath on North Quay and we have the entire old cab rank outside the casino which can accomodate 3 large trucks at once. massive area for material storage as well

the site on elizabeth would be restricted with only 1 street frontage but they have the lane beside the pancake manor on charlotte st. also being next door to apartments, work hours would be restricted to the day time eliminating night time deliveries and excavation. it would be a hard one

The "lane" beside the pancake manor is actually an easement shared between Casino Towers, 171 George Street and the Telstra exchange. As such it is private land and could not be used without permission.

There are car parking lanes, and we dont know what the ground level of a tower on this site would look like.

In response to the statement on the individual floor size would be too small... It would be some 2-5 times larger than Emeralds floor plans, depending on the coverage/shape etc.

The site is larger than CP1 and is completely 'squared' so the floor areas arent that small.

I think the location is ideal for a 200-300+ tower in that it will balance the skyline out a bit - having all the big ones along Eagle is not at all appealing to me.

And I don't care about floor space:site area ratios or site coverage - restrictions like that really piss me off. The purpose of taller towers is to increase the density of a CBD - it seems counterproductive to that goal if you can built tall towers but only on the space occupied by several smaller ones with the same floor area.

I'm still dirty about Emerald, I'll be really pissed if this is rejected for the same reasons.

I ran into the guy who initially told me about it today during lunch and I asked him if he had heard anything more about it. He told me no but he went on to say that he’d seen sketches / renders of the proposal and in one word he said it looked “Magic”. You can interpret that how you like but he also added that it did look very very tall. I asked him about how big the land was and he shrugged his shoulders and said he didn’t know but the guys involved in submitting the plans to council didn’t seem that concerned re: the land size.

I don't want to get everyones hopes up here but Im just relaying was I've been told.

Some of you guys in the know should know something or have heard if anything like the above has been submitted to council by now surely??

^ how can you not get hopes up by that comment! sounding more promising. your beginning to follow through with your statment. Stage 2 of the waiting game!

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orilious has got the excitment happening today with bananas, so i will follow

How can you expect us not to get excited about a 'magic' looking 'very, very tall' tower!!

As Big Kev said 'I'm excited!'

This doesn't help much but I did find this on the net:
http://ultraserve.vision6.com.au/clients/RWC/Liftout/2004/com_QLD_01.html
Gives a good indication of land size and position.

I'm getting tingles.

Sweet.

It will look out of place for quite a few years though, and an 80 story tower on the already congested Elizabeth Street will be an interesting feat to overcome. is it possible that a laneway could be built from the next block over? (Alice. St??)

Charlotte St..

and a very very big magic looking tower is exciting.

This doesn't help much but I did find this on the net:
http://ultraserve.vision6.com.au/clients/RWC/Liftout/2004/com_QLD_01.html
Gives a good indication of land size and position.


Doesn't that seem to indicate that the guy doesn't own the site. Or is that an old page that hasn't been deleted?

Doesn't that seem to indicate that the guy doesn't own the site. Or is that an old page that hasn't been deleted?

For sale sign on site has a sold slash across it.

Yep, and that page is from November 2004, so it makes sense.

Did a bit of investigating, the April 2005 Prd Commercial snapshot for Brisbane mentions in SALES:

47-79 Elizabeth Street, commonly known as Treasury Row, has been sold for $9.5 million. Eddie Kann, Ross Clarke and Serres Pty Ltd sold the 1,993 sqm site to a company associated with Alex Jimenez and Jerome Chapard at a passing yield of 5.3%. The long-term plan for the site includes a mixed-use highrise project.

This would confirm what NCC1701D's friend was saying about a 'mixed-use' building and that it was early days in the project:

I have been told this morning that a guy who purchased the old Treasury Row building (where Louis Vuitton used to be) in Elizabeth St has put an application into council for an 82 story tower on this old site but even then will not build for a few years to come anyway.

But one thing he did say which I totally forgot about before, and was quite surprised that he knew, was that he said that about 30 floors of the building will be a hotel and the rest will be residential.

So it would seem legit, circa 82 storeys mixed use building and a 'magic' design. Yay!

So yes, the plot thickens!;)

Great stuff! I just hate the waiting game though :/

Well this is what I heard from a friend who works in council.
Its only "in Duscussion" with council at the moment
that a tower of "up to 80 Stories" is planned for the site.

According to the source the tower may be mixed use and may feature a large office componant, didn't say how much, a hotel and a few private apartments but not many. Mostly Hotel/Office tower but did not say how it would be split. Also they are in talks with council for a tower of "up to" 80 stories, that means don't expect something that high - it might only be 50 stories but then again....?

I worry about ethics when giving information sometimes.

Guys - once I get a proper planning job full time, which may be soon I won't be giving away any information on the net as ethics will probably prevent me from doing so.

That's okay, just leak it to somebody else who can then post it on the net quoting "anonymous sources" :D

Found out a little bit more about this today. Apparently the models / renders indicate that the proposal is for a glass building. I haven't seen the renders but it is what I've been told. The guy said that there are alot of curves or oval shapes, probably something similar to Vision. But he said it again that it is around the 80 story mark. Not sure at what stage it is with council though.

Thats all I could find out.

Man, you're getting me all excited. Hopefully we can see a pic of it soon, or the whole DA if it goes to council and we can see it online.

80 stories on that site will change that end of town big time> AWESOME !!

Well guess the final height will be determined by the office/residential ratio, atm it sounds like a Vision size 250m tower, though no one will complain if it's more;)

sounds excellent.

Bring it on, cant wait to see renders!!!

a wankers impression:
http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/9009/aipr5to.png (http://imageshack.us)

^
It would be well over the other side of Vision, just behind 111 George Street.

looks like a bit of a paint job BRISBANE. lol

i would say it would be inbetween 111 george street and festival towers in that particular diagram

The best thing about this tower if it gets off the ground at the heights that we are talking about is the way that it will stretch out the skyline from a distance.

Alrighty, made a quick render of how it could look, I made it about 300m to roof since I like to accentuate the positive:) and because Brisbane is worth it!;)

http://img432.imageshack.us/img432/6043/elizabeth6ut.jpg

:eek2: great work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that would look awesome!

I did that quite a while ago - my version:)

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/9678/img1118683a1wt.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Hehe, it's like we got a imaginery vision-like design competition going for this building:P

so many towers proposed and going up.
what happened to melbourne in '91

still pretty shit:

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/8712/skyprop80sc7ms.png (http://imageshack.us)

What would people like to see on the top, a flat top or a sculptural top? And if a sculptural top similar to what other building?

i think a sculputural top, but not to thin (cheating) if u know what i mean.

Another tall tower for QLD :D

I like the pics. By the way, I think Aurora would be completed by then.

Nah, locke for president!!! :horse: :cheer:

Ah bugger, wrong thread... scrap that...

Bloody hell... no that was right the first time... I vote for locke!!!

You know you can edit the post.

still pretty shit:

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/8712/skyprop80sc7ms.png (http://imageshack.us)


ahahha looks like it has cow's horns on the top or something. :tongue3: Good attempt though mate.

I think it should have cow horns on the top. Or maybe devil horns and a red facade... Either way, it'll show the other puny buildings who's boss!

What about a big brother to the State Law Building?

^^^^ That would be wicked I reckon

I reckon a building with some of the structure on the outside would be interesting.

Or something like Aurora Place, with the light coloured glass!

if this rumor is true, then only something of world class significance can be built if it is to go to 80st. something that is totally different for Brisbane but would suit the skyline. like what vision has done. as much as i like the state law building i dont think it has that sought of significance.

I'm with GMAC on this one with the inside on the outside look. I reckon some kind of 300 meter "llyods building" would look kickass. Only if properly done though....

Well sounds like the design is already locked in guys, but as it's meant to be 'magic' glassy, and with lots of curves, so it's safe to say it will be a looker. Just what we need. Vision is fantastic but it needs some classy friends!;)

What is really interesting is it's final height. I want to see us get some use out of this new masterplan (otherwise what's the point if we just keep screwing about at sub-250), so that means getting it up over 250m at least, with over 300m being optimal. If our little brother the Gold Coast can do it no reason why we can't.

I was thinking, ya know how nobody's released who's planning this and raptis said that they were coming to Brisbane soon, it may be them. I havn't done any research to see of this theory is flawed, so feel free to poke holes in it. If it is true, then we'd have a tower that would probably have a better chance of being built than some random rich guy.

This is starting to get exciting!! Anyone with any ideas when we might see a render or at least a media release? :)

1_gtar, as posted earlier, these are the dudes that brought it, this is the article from the courier mail back in April about it, obviously plans have progressed since then from what ppl have reported in this thread:

Investor acquires Treasury Row

FIVE separate sites and buildings on Elizabeth St, Brisbane, which together deliver a 1993sq m development site have been bought by a private investment group for $9.5 million.

Known as Treasury Row, the adjoining buildings at 47-79 Elizabeth St deliver a net passing income of about $500,000.

Rick Bird and Will Cameron of Ray White Commercial negotiated the sale to a company associated with Alex Jimenez and Jerome Chapard.

The vendors, Eddie Kann, Ross Clarke and Serres Pty Ltd have owned Treasury Row since October 1993. After a renovation and a re- leasing program, retail tenants including Louis Vuitton, Gina Kim, Stelios Papas Salon, Skinetics and The Pen Shoppe took up residence.

Treasury Row is almost a textbook example of what can happen to property across boom-bust cycles. It was sold at the height of the property boom in 1988 for $15 million, picked up by Clarke and Kann in 1993 for $3.5 million and sold this month for $9.5 million.

Ray White Commercial took the properties to the market last October on the basis of future development potential. The site is zoned Multi-Purpose Centre MP1 -- City Centre and comprises two investment properties -- a two-level retail building and a three- level commercial office building.

Mr Bird said the new owner had a long-term plan to develop the site for a mixed-use highrise project including ground floor retail, office and the balance inner city residential.

Mr Bird said the price per square metre ($4765) compared well with recent similar site sales in Brisbane's CBD.

"We've done about 40 per cent of the site sales that have occurred in the CBD plus a lot of buildings for renovation.

"The scarcity of development sites has meant that some buyers are positioning themselves now to amalgamate for the next development cycle."

Treasury Row consists of eight shops fronting Elizabeth St opposite the Myer Centre. Behind Treasury Row is a three-level commercial office building with open air parking for six vehicles.

"This property provides good holding income with the potential for future development," Mr Bird said.

Mybad.

1_gtar, as posted earlier, these are the dudes that brought it, this is the article from the courier mail back in April about it, obviously plans have progressed since then from what ppl have reported in this thread:

Investor acquires Treasury Row

FIVE separate sites and buildings on Elizabeth St, Brisbane, which together deliver a 1993sq m development site have been bought by a private investment group for $9.5 million.

Known as Treasury Row, the adjoining buildings at 47-79 Elizabeth St deliver a net passing income of about $500,000.

Rick Bird and Will Cameron of Ray White Commercial negotiated the sale to a company associated with Alex Jimenez and Jerome Chapard.

The vendors, Eddie Kann, Ross Clarke and Serres Pty Ltd have owned Treasury Row since October 1993. After a renovation and a re- leasing program, retail tenants including Louis Vuitton, Gina Kim, Stelios Papas Salon, Skinetics and The Pen Shoppe took up residence.

Treasury Row is almost a textbook example of what can happen to property across boom-bust cycles. It was sold at the height of the property boom in 1988 for $15 million, picked up by Clarke and Kann in 1993 for $3.5 million and sold this month for $9.5 million.

Ray White Commercial took the properties to the market last October on the basis of future development potential. The site is zoned Multi-Purpose Centre MP1 -- City Centre and comprises two investment properties -- a two-level retail building and a three- level commercial office building.

Mr Bird said the new owner had a long-term plan to develop the site for a mixed-use highrise project including ground floor retail, office and the balance inner city residential.

Mr Bird said the price per square metre ($4765) compared well with recent similar site sales in Brisbane's CBD.

"We've done about 40 per cent of the site sales that have occurred in the CBD plus a lot of buildings for renovation.

"The scarcity of development sites has meant that some buyers are positioning themselves now to amalgamate for the next development cycle."

Treasury Row consists of eight shops fronting Elizabeth St opposite the Myer Centre. Behind Treasury Row is a three-level commercial office building with open air parking for six vehicles.

"This property provides good holding income with the potential for future development," Mr Bird said.


I knew it, I said countless times that treasury row had been bought up and will be home to a reasonably large scale development.

But did anyone listen?

I listened.

PICTURREEESSSS PPLLLEEASSEE

Don't you wish the developers read these types of forums and went 'here you go lads this is what it's going to look like, and we've heeded your advice and made it 350m tall'.:)

Seriously though, I wonder how many developers/industry people do read these forums, or council people for that matter?

Surely some of them must!

And if they do, let them remember our 'Supersize it' mantra when planning their next development!;)

Im sure some must.
You couldnt not.

I mean you must do research on these things (Projects this size), and theyre bound to accidentally stumble apon the forums.

Then again, we do say a lot of pointless crap that has nothing to with the tower. (No offence inteded to anyone) When I first found the forums (about a year ago) all I knew were the heights of a couple of buildings. I started reading them and I had no idea what was going on. I'm sure other people had similar experiences. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just that people with little time won't take the time to try to understand what was happening.

Seriously though, I wonder how many developers/industry people do read these forums, or council people for that matter?
I certainly read the forums when I was a Council planner.

I also introduced the forums to a few colleagues, but alas their opinion was that it was full of silly kiddies obsessed with tall buildings.

An opinion I don't share, well mostly ;)

So the influence of this forum on Council is pretty much nil.

Size is not an important aspect

If size was an important contribution to the rate of return then we would have higher buildings being built - developers aim for the largest return and hence build what the market wants- not what we want!

lol.

Clearly multiple forumers have connections....

So get us some pics.

Even a photo of a pic with a mobile phone camera!!!

Be the james bond you know you are!

Yeah, I don't care if it's shit quality, just a glimpse of something.

DA has been lodged on the 20th of December for 51 Elizabeth Street - http://www.ourbrisbane.com/public/DAServlet/936342

The proposed tower will be 72 stories containing Office, Hotel and Residential.

I don't think there are any renders yet - went to level one at BAC and checked with scrutiny and they said they should be up very soon - so keep an eye on the application. They are supposed to have all the files scanned within three days and put on the internet but the CLO told me that they have been very busy as there is a rush on applications.

Anyway - what a great christmas present for us Brisbane people - another 72 story tower!!!

MERRY CHRISTMAS:)

BTW - Metacap is the name of the company who want to build it - there is no name yet.

Best Christmas present a Skyscrapercity.com forumer could ask for.

assuming the average floor height was 3m this building would have to be at least 216m, so including the office and hotel levels, plus the podium and maybe some architectural features this could very well be brisbanes tallest.

Excluding visions spire

unless this one gets a spire too ;)

wow. brisbanes booming. definately 200m+.looks like mixed use is flav of month
lucky guys

Awesome, good scoop JayT

Wowoweewow is nice!

That's going to be over 200 for sure, maybe with the mix of floors we will hit 250m.

Wow, what a fantastic christmas present!:)

There is no stopping our great capital of the north.

Even if 1/2 to 2/3 of the proposals announced this past year go ahead, then Brisbane is doing fine...juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust fine!!

you guuys are lucky, sounds good (crap name though).. no such present for us...

As I said - it might be a while before all the plans are scanned in and put up on the internet, its supposed to be 3 working days but with christmas and all it could be longer. Its a case of watch this thread, and keep and eye on the application link.

Lucky SOB's (Sons of Brisbane :D). If it's in anywhere near as good as Vision then you fellas have got a lot to look forward to. I think it'll be around the 240-250m mark.

Sounds fantastic. It just better be a decent design.

Well word was it looked 'magic' = glass+curves, so hope that description is correct!

were is 51 Elizabeth Street located? like were on Elizabeth Street is the proposed site, it's not that demolition area over the road from Border's is it (on Albert/Elizabeth Streets)

It's treasury row isn't it.

is this treasury bldg? op brisbane sq
http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ShowImage.asp?B=6682760&T=P&S=1


http://www.deh.gov.au/cgi-tmp/rt26034-16977.jpg

No, it's a little bit down from that, I believe there is a pic in the other thread, basically it's just a bunch of old shops.

Yeah see... now thats the casino. lol.

Its on Elizabeth st, currently occupied by small retail stores. Southbank (East) of the CBD

But is that were this Metacap tower is proposed for / Treasury Row ?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=253853&page=1


http://imageshack.us/
Just to the front.. ie towards camera side fo taht large brick wall, the area where you see the white fronted older buildings.

,,,,,,,,,,

^
It is the Treasury Building that your showing, but this development is occuring on Treasury Row - a little set of shops opposite the Treasury Casino.

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/2674/eliz11ym.jpg

thanks orfeo, treasury bldg is dif to treasury Row. not a big site is it? i wonder where they get the FSR from to build 72storeys?

The site is 1993sqm, so quite small - at least in comparison to Vision. But it is bigger than Emerald I believe (not that it set the best of precedents....)

I'm sure they got it sorted, in any case, it's about the same size as the prima lot in Melbourne I think , and they got approved to go 225m on that one.

WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hell yeah. This city is going nuts with towers.
Fuck yeah. Awesome news!!!!!!!

whered ya find 72 stories from. im not using a home computer, however, i couldnt find any document stating there is gonna be a 72 storey tower.

^
no documents are online yet - JayT viewed stuff at the BAC.

Some of the guys who a putting the capital into this are the same guys who did Metro 21 on Mary St. I am so happy that this rumour is getting closer and closer to reality all the time. Only 72 stories though, the rumour was into the 80's !!!!

^^

72 is better than 62, or 52, or 42...

as long as its taller than Riparian and Aurora then we are set.

BTW, that part of town is alot higher isnt it? like, up near the casino it seems to be on quite a bit of a mound and then everything sorta slopes down into the mall area.

Correct. Its quite high up on that hill. I forget what its called.. It has a name.

Anyone know the height of the ground there, should boost the height of the tower by a bit, make it look taller from a distance. So if we get 230m there, it could look 250, or 250 would look 270? No idea though what the exact height is.

^
no documents are online yet - JayT viewed stuff at the BAC.

Yep - shhhhhh!

Basically I can't say too much as my job prevents me from spilling info - though the application is now on line for the world so I can tell you some of what I know, just waiting for the plans to be uploaded. Given that it normally takes 3 working days and it was lodged on the 20th I'd say perhaps next Wednesday or Thursday if we are lucky. Then again with everything closed for Christmas/new year it may take longer.

Lets hope its up next week - fingers crossed:)

Basically I have said all I can tell you without getting myself into trouble - 72 stories, mixed use, Office, Hotel and MUDS (residential).

GOOD NEWS!!!

P.

Anyone know the height of the ground there, should boost the height of the tower by a bit, make it look taller from a distance. So if we get 230m there, it could look 250, or 250 would look 270? No idea though what the exact height is.
its only about 10mRL there, so wont add too much.better then being near river level though (rl4m).

just out of interest wats the RL over hitachi/state law way. because hitachi stands out on the skyline a lot more than similar height or taller buildings like jetset house, CP2, commonwealth bank, ADC building etc.

Cheers Culwulla, well 10m is still something.

Anyone know the breakdown of the office/hotel/residential levels?

Like 70 levels of office and 1 residential and 1 hotel would be nice.;)

I read in an earlier article it was originally 10 storeys of office but that may have been with a lower proposal and may have changed completely.

In either case, would be very kewl if it tops Vision, so we can get an constant progression of tallest going up in Brisbane, something exciting to watch for the next few years!

just out of interest wats the RL over hitachi/state law way. because hitachi stands out on the skyline a lot more than similar height or taller buildings like jetset house, CP2, commonwealth bank, ADC building etc.
The RL at ground of Hitachi bldg is 14m. theres a slope down to centre of CBD to only 4m. brisbane is very flat.have to design a 200m bldg for Wickham terrace!! thats over 40m up there.

^^^

Just a matter of time really, the CBD has to expand somewhere and with a river on each side its really the only logical place to go other than the valley.

Dont ya hate it when you read something like this and get so excited and have to tell someone, and all you get in response is, Yes honey thats nice!! This is awesome news, Nice to see another big one to stretch our talls across the skyline!!!

Fantastic news for Brissy.
Over the next 5 years Brisvegas will be the Aussie CBD where the biggest changes will occur. Sydney had its time in the late 90's/early 2000's, then Melbourne went hammer and tongs, now its Brissy's turn. I guess Perth could be next in line !

Looks like Brissy's going to be the mixed use skyscraper capital of Australia.

Have a feeling the office component won't be too generous because of location and size but still could be right up there on Vision's shoulder ~240m.

That site has hardly any shadows of talls around its going to stick out big time.
Reminds me how Rialto opened up the west end of Mebourne's CBD for development.
Looks like they want to grow another front of the CBD... wonder if they'll approve it - maybe call it Phoenix tower - Emerald reborn from the ashes.

At this rate Sydney won't have a skyscraper in the national top 10 :)

Office should be substantial actually. Healthiest (And most in demand consequently) office market in a large capital in the country.. by far the lowest vacancy..
Not enough space in the CBD, no new space coming into the market (That isnt already sold)...

But we will see.

So this sounds quite good, so its going to be on the Treasury Casino side of the CBD, far out that side is working wonders nowadays.

Awesome news!!! :D Thanks for the scoop JayT.

EMPIRE SQUARE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLANS ARE UP!!

http://img439.imageshack.us/img439/3803/met10sb.jpg

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/8418/met26dt.jpg

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/8136/met36yc.jpg

http://img289.imageshack.us/img289/8806/met46rd.jpg

245m AHD

The total area of the bulding is 56,710 square metres so if the site is only 1993 square metres that makes it an incredible plot ratio of 28.5 to 1!!!!

Thanks neilo. I was just about to download the DA but on my feeble dialup it's going to take ages.

Although the renders arn't of great quality it looks really good, but Empire Sqaure!!! Are you serious??? Worst. Name. Ever.

More importantly HOW HIGH IS IT?

Wow, awesome, it looks great and it will add hugely to that part of town. Damn I'm still overjoyed just looking at where Brisbane Square is at the moment, and this building is going to dwarf it by around 100m. Brisbane is going off!

HOLY FUCK

wow, nice design. looks like a love child design from Sydneys World Tower & Bris Visions.lol
245mAHD = approx 235m above grd.im only estimating its RL10m at ground.must be close.
at 245mAHD its only 5m lower then Visions rl.
plot ratio of 28;1? gee sydney has it capped at 12;1 for office or 17;1 for resi.

Holy damn, sexeh!

i was right. the entry lobby on floor plans sit at Rl10.3m. So its height is 235m high -which equates to sydney's height limit.

The heights on Elizabeth St range from (on this building) like 8.3 to 11 along its front or something.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=6876051#post6876051

The heights on Elizabeth St range from (on this building) like 8.3 to 11 along its front or something.
yes there is approx 3m slop but main entry lobby is at Rl10.3m which is where official height would be taken from. Sydney's 227m GPT has a 3m slope along its front face at ground. but height is taken half way along at entry. If it was taj=ken at lowest point it would be 229m which would make it higher then MLC.

Nice.....Cotte Parker always have good designs.

I think the Plot Ratio will be a problem, they may have to make it thinner, or shorter. I don't think even Emerald had a plot ratio that high, it might even be the highest plot ratio for any building in Australia.

This and Vision would look great on the skyline together, they have a similar style and dimensions.

Personally for me it's a bit meh, it's nice but im glad its on this side of the river. Plot ratio is indeed crazy.

a bit meh?
w00t

It looks freakin awesome.

Wonderful design, I love the dark glass look. However the blades look a little tacky and so is the name. Possibly shortening it down to 'Empire' would make it more bearable?

Anyway, great news for this side of the river and for that area of Elizabeth. St which I must say is looking worse for wear at the moment. Coupled with the development going on at Albert & Elizabeth, this should fill in that big gap fairly well. I'm excited.

Now, jsut to get a few proposals on the Western End of George Street.

Dont You just Love the Skylounge with the glass roof on level 70 - that will look down on Vision's observation deck, and a huge outside terrace too!!!

Looks like they haven't decided on a glass colour either - there are two different varients, dark green and gold. Personally I'd like to see Gold Glass used.

Has anyone worked out the dimensions with relation to Office/Hotel and Residential yet?

The skylounge is pretty awesome, and the only reason i said meh is because i hate the fins and the entry off the street is average. I'd go for the green glass, personally.

Oh if theres anyone well knowledged within BCC; what are the realistic chances of this getting through with relation to the plot ratio, i mean i know Brisbane has a small footprint say compared to Melbourne and we need to squeeze stuff in but wouldn't this set a dangerous precedent.

Well done brisbane - ur off to a great start in 2006!

neilo!

lol the fins and street entry are standouts for me.

I love the streets 3 large curved pylon thingies, and the blades give it character. Much better than nothing..

I like it a lot. The only thing is the entrance is a little uninspiring, a couple of small trees. It could be something a little more showcase, like Vision.

^
I think it is quite difficult to make an great entrance with a site of this size. I don't really mind the entrance overall.

It is a pity there are no night renders. There is to be illuminated glass panels along the central portion of the building. There are quite a few colours of glass to be used overall...

[QUOTE=Orfeo]^
It is a pity there are no night renders.QUOTE]

I do know there is an animation to come, think it it a night one.

It's a bit of a vision wannabe.... but if it has to be similar to vision, at least its at 90 degrees... that's a bit cool... I reckon the next tallie needs to be similar to a grollo (or London bridge tower...)

I think it looks a shit load better than vision. Its an awesome tower and i hope it goes ahead.

I love it.. :eek2:
Brisbane Square should have been another 20 floors

I prefer Vision more but Empire still looks like a pretty shit hot design. I just hope they don't go for gold glass. Gold glass should only be used in sparingly ala Eureka, too much and you could detract too much from a great design although I did think the same thing with Vic Point and it turned out fine, and from what I can tell from the renders the gold will probably be more like Vic Point's or YE1. Anyway you guys have got alot to look forward to.

Looks great!, although i think those white 'fins' look a bit out of place, but otherwise a great design.

Love it! Good design - I don't have a problem with the name. Overall it's another fine addition to Brisbane!

Bloody excellent! I dont really have a problem with the name ether and the render looks quite nice.

Seems to me that brisbane might be seeing more of this to come with the height ect. It would seem rather silly to build anything under 130m right now with each cbd block quickly being eatin up. Its really suprising me in the last 5 years how the average height has really jumped up because of this.

Im really happy for brisbane. A few more 200+ towers and then maybe some 150 - 180m towers and then the skyline will look nicely varied(and this is pritty much happening already)

Good Work!

Love the Skylounge or Skyclub on the 70th floor - it means Brisbane will have another public area in which to view the city. Part of it also has a glass roof and an outdoor terrace!

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/8931/skylounge2gn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I think the name is great. The rumours early on in the piece did say the building looked "Magic" with curvy 'vision' like designs. Well they weren't far off it........... Although they said it would be 80+ storys. Well, im not complaining its over 200m - you cant sneaze at that !!!!

In the top ten to roof @235m Empire Sq will be number 6 in Australia.
Skylounge 205m high, will be good for a relaxing coffee.

Hardly any office, basically hotel with apartments on top, reminds me a little of world tower, looks good. Brisbane is not even 2 mil and aiming high already.

How long to approval I wonder.

I wanna see some renders from eagle street side of things!!!!

^ the lev70 skylounge is RL214.6m or 204m above grd. its actually higher above sea level then Visions Ob deck which is a double decker lev @ RL206m & RL209m.but visions lev62 is 205m above grd which is 1metre higher then Empires.
so 2 observatories approx 205m above ground in one city. cooly
@ncc- when projects are announced or media grab hold of any info they can, ive learned to ignore when they mention "number of stories". Empire tower will have 80 levels in total. it has 8 basement levels, thus 72 above grd.
So it is an 80 level tower but has 8 below, like WT in sydney. its 83 levels but 73 above grd.

it looks too much like vision.

That can never be a bad thing...

Its similar in its use of glass colour and sort of bladed shape, other than that the overall shape is completely different, and facade design.

I dont doubt that if you were offered these 2 buildings youd snap them up like that

i know we would, but something like this would never happen in adelaide. :(

it looks too much like vision.
haha...
When I read your comment, my mind instinctively likened it to a bombing run. Your intelligence recieved wind of commotion in Brisbane, you took off from some Perth airfield, flew across the country, neatly and swiftly dropped your payload and then flew home. And still managed to make it to bed before midnight.... haha.

No offense to you, just wanted to share this image with you. :okay:

OBSERVATION DECKS IN OZ
Eureka/melb-lev88/282m
syd tower/syd-skywalk-260m
syd tower/syd-ob decks- 240m-250m.
Q1/GC-lev77/78 obdecks-230m-235m
Rialto/Melb-lev55 obdeck-234m
Vision/bris-lev61/62 obdecks-202m-205m
Empire tw/bris-lev70 obdeck-204m
Chifley tower/syd-lev42 rest-185m
Aussie sq/syd-lev45 rest-153m
collins place/melb-lev35 sofitel-135m
Syd harb brge climb-134m
AAPT/Perth-lev33-123m
Syd harb rbidge pylon-85m
storey brdge/bris-80m
cityhall/bris-60m

haha...
When I read your comment, my mind instinctively likened it to a bombing run. Your intelligence recieved wind of commotion in Brisbane, you took off from some Perth airfield, flew across the country, neatly and swiftly dropped your payload and then flew home. And still managed to make it to bed before midnight.... haha.

No offense to you, just wanted to share this image with you. :okay:

i have no idea what you just said.
BUT, i was just saying it looks too much like vision.

Not at all.

Look at the floorplans, overall size, plot ratios, etc

If both didnt have blueish green glass with curves, you wouldnt say that.

i dont care about floor plans, externally they both look the same.

i have no idea what you just said.

Thats why you live in WA, and not the smaht state.

GREAT! I love this building already. The gold glass please!

Let me translate Perth4life

"Im overly jealous that Brisbane is getting another tall building, that looks awesome, so i will attempt to insult it"

Let me translate Perth4life

"Im overly jealous that Brisbane is getting another tall building, that looks awesome, so i will attempt to insult it"

100% True translation!
Cant wait to see this bad boy in the sky!

http://www.ct4host.lunarpages.com/bne/IMG_1118_683_render1.jpg

excellent work.

Monster skyline soon.

I really like the design. It's nice to see that the western side of the CBD finally gets a major skyscraper.

Looks HOT!

Awesome design, no probs here if it looks a bit like Vision cos Vision looks wicked.

Great height as well. Still think Brisbane needs to punch thru 300m but this will be keep one amused for the time being!

Thats why you live in WA, and not the smaht state.
you cant even spell smart you dickhead lol.

you cant even spell smart you dickhead lol.

I'm 99.9 % sure he was being a smart arse, and does actually know how to spell it. :sleepy:

Patty just can't help himself.

If a you asked a developer in perth what mixed use they would not no. So we are the smaht state as much as queensland. lol

http://www.ct4host.lunarpages.com/bne/IMG_1118_683_render1.jpg

Great work defec8r, really gives you an idea of how great this will look. Hope it gets the OK.

I used to think MLC/Hitachi looked big, it will be like a doorstep in the South side of town soon.

being with council for nearly 20 years and seeing projects get thru and others hitting walls, i ve checked out this DA and it wouldnt be approved in sydney, mainly due to FSR. But Brisbane is not sydney and may have dif rules and reg.But a big plus for this one is its slimness and height. all councils hate bulky shadow ridden projects. Brisbane also has lack of sites in CBD and most DAs n0w will be 150m+ atleast.It would be a shame if this one has to ve reduced to under 200m.but hopefully councillors will realize brisbane city needs these type of projects and allow it.
2 years ago i chatted to a BCC planner and she predicted the CBD will be inundated with "mixed use" projects over next decade.it seems to be coming true.
ive added this to emporis also with the render looking up. great stuff.

Love it! Good design - I don't have a problem with the name. Overall it's another fine addition to Brisbane!I can't believe everyone likes the name!! To me "Empire" has connotations of colonialism and imperialism and is way to pompous. It has no relevance to a modern mixed use skyscraper in a progressive city like Brisbane in the year 2006.

People have mentioned that there is very little office. How exactly how the building is split up? I would have thought with such a critical shortage of office space and residential sales on the way down it'd have quite a bit of office. Although by the time it's built residential might be booming again?

This will definitely be a magnificent addtion to Brizzy's skyline. I've always felt that there was this 'imbalance' in the skyline as there seem to be too many 'grand' buildings on the Eagle St. part of town, and not much happening on the western side, maybe except Brisbane Square. Now that this is proposed, and if it gets the green light, then the CBD will definitely be 'balanced' out with regards to 'grand' buildings.

Finally, I can sit on one of the benches at Southbank to look across the city, and be really proud of it. :)

When you look through the DA documents, you can see that tacked at the end of the floorplans section is a drawing, which from memory, is called something like 'office option.' This drawing is for a full floor office plan, not the narrow office areas that exist down in the podium level.

I suspect that the final decision may not have been made on the mix, but that they are showing how some of the floors can work if they were made as office instead of residential.

Some of the apartment planning is very ordinary indeed - looks like a rush job.

I like the gold option a lot more than the green one.

The building looks a little cartoonish, hopefully there will be a lot more cleaning up of the building lines. Vision looks elegant, this looks a little childish atm. But I think that this may all be because this is so evidently a rush job.

being with council for nearly 20 years and seeing projects get thru and others hitting walls, i ve checked out this DA and it wouldnt be approved in sydney, mainly due to FSR. But Brisbane is not sydney and may have dif rules and reg.But a big plus for this one is its slimness and height. all councils hate bulky shadow ridden projects. Brisbane also has lack of sites in CBD and most DAs n0w will be 150m+ atleast.It would be a shame if this one has to ve reduced to under 200m.but hopefully councillors will realize brisbane city needs these type of projects and allow it.
2 years ago i chatted to a BCC planner and she predicted the CBD will be inundated with "mixed use" projects over next decade.it seems to be coming true.
ive added this to emporis also with the render looking up. great stuff.

I don't know why the council should have issues with high FSR's. I mean if a developer wanted a 25.1 plot ratio and they felt that they could effectively market it as resi/commercial/mixed they why not let them ?
It's not like the bloody thing is going to fall over because it's extra skinny.

Cul, I don't understand why Sydney City Council isn't more proactive with stuff like this. The Syd CBD is almost built out and it's still bloody persisting with silly height limits and FSR's which are just strangling the joint.
I'm not talking 235m height limits here - I reckon that HALF of the Sydney CBD has a height limit of LESS THAN 100m ! STUPID.

BACK TO BRISSY - WELL DONE GUYS, VERY EXCITING TIMES AHEAD !!!!

Has there been any reports in the media since the DA was submitted - Courier Mail, City News or on TV?? This is pretty big news, it certainly deserves a mention.

I've been keepin an eye on the news since the plans came out - but there's been no mention of it on TV yet.....

nothing in the Financial Review or The Australian Property section - both of which are right up to date on this sort of stuff.

The thread in the international section (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=302465) has some more elevations and bigger renders by Malt in case anyone hasn't seen it - i know not everyone visits that forum. Anyway after seeing all the renders I'd definately go for the green option.

http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/4292/empireboth3mf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^ yeah neilo posted them back on post no49.
i also like green. although the bronzy colour looks cool, much like AMP>
http://ianh.typepad.com/res_publica/images/amp_place.jpg

why not a mix of gold and green? They would go well together i reckon.

you cant even spell smart you dickhead lol.

are you retarded or just ignorant?

I was making a joke. Kind of like your opinions.

haha, nikko, love your message thingo 'The Smrt State'

(the majority of) sa forumers never make those stupid remarks, its only the wa forumers who do... lets get them

HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i havent been in here for a coupla days and this happens. haha awesome news. finally the crap side of the city gets a hot tower to compliment brisbane sq.

BRISSY ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The green'll be awesome (if they choose) - esp now that domaine looks as tho its far from an option nowadays....

haha, nikko, love your message thingo 'The Smrt State'

(the majority of) sa forumers never make those stupid remarks, its only the wa forumers who do... lets get them

um.. i talk to nikko on msn occationaly, so i think he got that i was joking lol.

^ yeah neilo posted them back on post no49.
Yeah but it's good to see the elevations with green glass as well so that you can directly compare the two designs.

So I take it there arn't any renders of the gold design, just elevations? The fact that they've only done renders with the green glass seems to suggest that's what they're leaning towards, which is great because I have a thing for green glass. Empire Square will be more than adequate consolation for the probable scrapping of Domaine.