I think we have a new champion. A 240m condo that claims to be the world's tallest residential building @ 322m. 82m of pipe. Reminds me of Atlanta.


http://static.flickr.com/27/41637302_47d5fbeec5_b.jpg

are you a eureka supporter? :)

I agree.

lol.... but say what you want to say about it, but that is one sexy tower :D

Well Eureka is a real building. If they add that stupid penis extension (proposed mast), I'll remove my support.

these won't be tallest res towers for long anyway...

If the Freedom Tower gets built, then it will definately be the world's tallest cheater.

Petronas is the world's tallest cheater, but this is a well known discussion. ;)

Petronas and Taipei 101.

Edit: Is the highest floor in Taipei 101 taller than the highest floor on the Sears Tower?

Taipei 101 is legitimate WTB. All the Dubai towers have massive spires.

Petronas, for me, will always be the worst cheater.

CN Tower. They actually add to their spires.

I hear the bells of JEALOUSY & BITTERNESS ...get over it people!! They are all beautiful buildings that any of us would love to have in our city's skyline!! ;)

If the Freedom Tower gets built, then it will definately be the world's tallest cheater.
Well, Fordham Spire will be the biggest cheater but will still be tallest to roof. Burj Dubai will probably be a massive cheater too but its roof height will probably be taller than any other building's spire height.

it still looks nice...

What about that times building?

HELLO..........FREEDOM TOWER PEEPS?

:|

Petronas, for me, will always be the worst cheater.

Why would Petronas cheat? We could then simply build one which could easily topple Sears's ranking as the tallest building instead of using those bunch of steal to cheat?

I hear the bells of JEALOUSY & BITTERNESS ...get over it people!! They are all beautiful buildings that any of us would love to have in our city's skyline!! ;)

I agree, pure bitterness and ignorance!

Did anyone happen to notice that the "cheaters" are the most beautiful scrapers around?!

Petronas, for me, will always be the worst cheater.

of course.

I also dislike the buildings that has a roof height of less than 1000 ft, but with an added spire, it goes over 1,000 ft... A cheating way to be a 1000 footer.

A building that it doesn't cheat= http://www.tonner.org/chicago/images/DSC01021.jpg

tall white one. No Antenna, no spire... the Aon building in Chicago

I smell jealousy again....hahaha...pathetic

@elliot, The Q1 tower is not 240m. its 275m to top of superstructure. its 93m spire isnt added to the top but attached to the side with only half of the spire going past the fin thus reaching 322.5m high. Its not cheating. Its part of the buildings architecture! cheating is a pole siting on top with no architectural merit.
The current most recent worlds tallest apartment building (was 21stC tower in Dubai @ 269m. the tallest apartment tower to the roof was Seouls 264m tower palace 3. so Q1 is higher anyway without the spire.
We all now 297m Eureka will be tallest apartment tower on completion in 2006. it might be getting a 55m mast whcih wont be included in official height.
who really cares if a bldg has a spire or not. cheating? nah. its architecture.
heres a better shot of the mighty Q1.> all finished

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/2594/q1a2yf.jpg

For those who dont know this tower is going up against the 267meter 21c tower in dubai which is 23 floors shorter and mostly spire its self ( roof is 189) compared to 240 you claim for Q1 (275m)
So cheater hardly againist it closest current rival !

EDIT: Cul already covered but anyway

Spires can be beautiful! Q1 looks stunning with the spire.

and btw u little whingers, it isnt cheating. Why? BECAUSE ANY BUILDING CAN ADD A SPIRE! ITS FAIR! ADD A SPIRE TO SEARS AND STFU!

I hear the bells of JEALOUSY & BITTERNESS ...get over it people!! They are all beautiful buildings that any of us would love to have in our city's skyline!! ;)
I agree, pure bitterness and ignorance!

Did anyone happen to notice that the "cheaters" are the most beautiful scrapers around?!
I smell jealousy again....hahaha...pathetic
I seriously don't see what jealousy has to do with the way how a tower can be seen.

Q1 is actually 245m to the roof, so it currently only the 8th tallest residential tower in the world to ROOF (9th tallest including Eureka which is U/C).

^ But is still much taller "to the roof" then the current title-holder: 21st Century (Dubai) that as Trances mentioned, it is less then 200m. ;)

Q1 is 245m to the LMR. its roof or highest part without spire is 275m.
its silly refering it to 245m when you cant really see where this height is defined. all you see is huge fin structure and spire.
Q1 also has the most floors in a residential building! 80 including 2 basements!
Q1 is clearly the worlds tallest residential building!! hip hip horray:cheers:

What about Eureka? Isn't that something like 290m to roof? Aswell it's only a matter of time before another world's tallest res comes up in Dubai. 23 marina will be 380m but with a huge spire. It'll probably be around 320m to roof.

im from the UK and i love the AON building. i will be visiting it next month and i can't wait. i've wanted to see it for over twenty years and next month it will happen.

now that the WTC has been destroyed the AON building is the tallest single box in the world isn't it (exluding modular boxes as in Sears tower)?

Q1 is 245m to the LMR. its roof or highest part without spire is 275m.
its silly refering it to 245m when you cant really see where this height is defined. all you see is huge fin structure and spire.
Q1 also has the most floors in a residential building! 80 including 2 basements!
Q1 is clearly the worlds tallest residential building!! hip hip horray:cheers:
id like to disagree with you for this one :)
i think the roof is 240m, and the fin shouldnt be counted as the roof because it has no function, like a spire, its just an architectural eliment. The highest habitable floor will be 240m thus the roof should be 240m.
but still, the q1 is probably the best thing thats happened to goldcoast :)

Burj Al Arab!!!

Well, Fordham Spire will be the biggest cheater but will still be tallest to roof. Burj Dubai will probably be a massive cheater too but its roof height will probably be taller than any other building's spire height.
As long as its rooftop height surpasses the current WTB, that's all that matters to me.

Petronas, for me, will always be the worst cheater.

Let's think wiser.
If u r the builder of the WTB, would u mess with the problem that lead to strong argument like in the case of spire? i means the small differences of height btwn Sears n petronas towers.

For me, I would simply build a tower that would clear the doubts, n securely claim the title. If Petronas has the intention to be WTB, it would not be so stupid to juz surpass a few metres...

Q1 is one of the most beautiful new towers in the world and part of it is because of the tall and elegant spire.

Burj Al Arab!!!

...is maybe the tower which has one of the best design-included spires in the world.. :bash:

:cheers:

here, without spire it would look dull ,and the spire helps to create the impression of a blowing sail ,which the design ought to suggest.


http://tinypic.com/doqhl5.jpg

http://tinypic.com/doqhpf.jpg

http://tinypic.com/doqhwy.jpg

looks more like a giant crucifix when viewed from the ocean :)

there was something abt that it is not allowed to take photos from the back side because of that. i am not sure how it exactly was.

looks more like a giant crucifix when viewed from the ocean :)
I wonder if that's deliberate ;)

going to be hard to avoid it when your on the arms of the palm

id like to disagree with you for this one :)
i think the roof is 240m, and the fin shouldnt be counted as the roof because it has no function, like a spire, its just an architectural eliment. The highest habitable floor will be 240m thus the roof should be 240m.
but still, the q1 is probably the best thing thats happened to goldcoast :)
sorry but it doesnt work that way. You tell me when you look u at Q1 , you only look up to 240m? lol. the average joe blow will look straight up the highest part of the bldg which is the spire.! If you ask joe blow where is highest part of bldg, they will point to the bloody spire, not a section of floor at 240m level. lol, thats where the ob deck is.
Its the 21stC now so its rare that a bldg gets buit with a boring flat roof with no architectural element or spire ect. even Eureka has caved in to a simple top and will have an enormous steel mast bolted on top.

i agree with the spire haters.

Q1 is MAX 275m...

322m can go to hell

240m roof is lol.

well it for q1 it is difficult, it could be roof feature height or spire.
never 240m, but i think the spire is too simple to be counted.

going to be hard to avoid it when your on the arms of the palm
it is quite far away, you will not even recognize the cruzifix shape if you don't know...
and the angle is more from the side than the back.

The world's tallest residential tower: A selection of overseas views from the neighbouring Construction thread.

Best first ...

fucking boring!
- from beiklopa, Dubai - (thanks, Most Incisive Comment
Award to beiklopa in Dubai)

Now the building, and other views below ..



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/Bronteboy/q1new5so.jpg

The top looks fine. It's the curtain wall/glazing that ruins it. And there's so much of it... -From Elliot, Canada, initiator of this 'Worlds top
cheat' thread

I love Q1
It has one of the best designs ever made.
- from Phobos, Porto, Portugal, and Brazil

makes me (drool)
Gold coast has a superb skyline
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-Estboy from Tallinn, Estonia


coming along nicely. i love the colour...
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-dubaiflo , from Rosenheim, Munich and Daubai (UAE)


BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

9.9999/10
-0.0001 cos' the spire is out of proportion.
__________________ -Cliff, from Singapore

(drool)
Very nice tower!
__________________ -Urban Dave, from Coruscant

It's really really really Beautiful. Is it because the architect, the developer or Gold Coast?
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excellent tower!! And this thread does contain a whole nuch (sic) of awesome update pics!!
That skyline pic (page 13) kicks ass!!
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-from Patrick Highrise, Roosendal. The Netherlands

looking good there
-from Sumeet, Bangkok, Melbourne and Dubai


looking great!

its a shame that the glazing doesnt go all the way up the fin.
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-hella good, from New York and Sheffield

I cant wait until its all lighted up! Wow thats gonna be nice!
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-some stupid nut, from Northern Virginia

Yeah (dancer)
- Sonic from Padova, from, yeah, Padova

very nice modern tower, i only regret a bit the roof
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- B@dGuYom, from Beauvais, France

It's simply beautifull.
Hope this becomes a standard.
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Rotterdam zit in de genen
- from Hed Kandi, Bussum/Gouda

Well done Australia that was a nice play in the battle for great skyscrapers but, you may have won the battle, but the war is far from over and Canada will win! So watch your back!
-West@East Coast, Canada (apparently)


Stunning design!
-from SJM, Seattle

that's it, thanks all

lol why are you posting this :D

well i like the tower, but i can see what beiklopa means when he says it is boring though.

sorry but it doesnt work that way. You tell me when you look u at Q1 , you only look up to 240m? lol. the average joe blow will look straight up the highest part of the bldg which is the spire.! If you ask joe blow where is highest part of bldg, they will point to the bloody spire, not a section of floor at 240m level. lol, thats where the ob deck is.
Its the 21stC now so its rare that a bldg gets buit with a boring flat roof with no architectural element or spire ect. even Eureka has caved in to a simple top and will have an enormous steel mast bolted on top.
thats what i meant, the spire and fin count, but to roof, i think is 240m.

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=31&drawingID=35636http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=17&drawingID=33243http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=916&drawingID=6833

Don't you find some disturbing about the last tower being considered taller than the first two?

Burj Al Arab, 'World's Tallest Hotel'.

But the top floor is much lower than previous hotels which held the title!

@spyguy999-YES!!


I also don't think that spire adds anything to that building. I don't know why its there.

I heard that they are built to act as lightning rods for skyscrapers as well as give reception throughout a city.

Petronas, for me, will always be the worst cheater.

Petronas?? Why?

Petronas!

Don't you find some disturbing about the last tower being considered taller than the first two?
Pathetic and exactly why spires and antennas shouldn't count in a buildings official height.

I don't mind Q1's fin section as it looks as if it's part of the building but the spire is definitely cheating.

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=916&drawingID=6833

yea that is DEFINETLY CHEATING!! i like spires that work with to building (Burj al Arab, Q!) but this is so unessecary.

btw is the Burj al arab 321m tall? it so dosent look like it...

I think they should come up with a rule or something that the spire should not be taller than somewhat 1/5 or 1/4 of the building's roof height.

Petronas!

U guys need some mind adjusting. I repeat my posting again:

Let's think wiser.
If u r the builder of the WTB, would u want to mess with the problem that possible arises such as spire issue? i means the small differences of the height btwn Sears n petronas towers.

For a serious builder, he would simply build a tower that would clear the doubts, n securely claim the title. If Petronas has the real intention to be WTB, it would not be so stupid to juz surpass a few metres...

Spires can be attractive additions to some buildings, but they should not count for height.

If you look at the Kingdom Centre in Riyadh, you will notice that it has a big hole that cleary cheats on its height and makes it nearly twice as tall.

http://www.thecityreview.com/sky30.gif

What is the building beside John Hancock with the massive spire?

its New York Times Tower http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=916&drawingID=6833

its funny that all of the 'cheats' happen to be the best architectural feats and features in the world. its purely design not cheating in most cases.
the kingdom centre cant really win with people, they call it a cheat with the hole but without it people would call it boring.

What about Deutsche Bank in Sydney? Its roof is at 160m while the spires go up to 242m!
I'm not sure who took this photo..
http://img288.echo.cx/img288/1968/btcompletedmay238zd.jpg

I generally like spires, I think they can really add something to the building! But I don't think they should be counted.

New York Times Headquarters in New York City, a 1,140 feet or 318.8 m building.

The John Hancock is only 1,127 and the left building, the tall box, is the Aon building which is 1,136 feet.

Someone should delete that spire from the NY times building...

the N Y Times tower needs a spire, maybe a shorter one than its got there.

i love the deutche bank in syndey, its all part of the design.
spires should be counted as they are part of the building therefore wherever the spire goes to the building goes to as well.

What about Deutsche Bank in Sydney? Its roof is at 160m while the spires go up to 242m!
Watch out for Cul.

The spire height shouldn't count for the NY Times Tower IMO. At least for towers like the Deutsch Bank Tower and Burj Al Arab, the spire is actually part of the tower's design. NY Times' design is just a regular box with a stick on the roof. If anything it should be counted as an antennae but it's just silly that it's counted as 1000+ ft.

That spire on the NY Times Tower does remind me a lot of the buildings that were part of the Beyer Blinder Belle Plan for the WTC site.

I dont' worry if a tower cehats or not, what I care the most if the tower is good looking or not ;)

I hate cheatscrapers. ESPECIALLY Freedom Tower & Petronas

Taipei 101 is acceptable since the top floor is high enuf to hold a record.
Sears is still champion imo.

There are rumors that they might extend Sears' antennas in order to compete with the Fordham Spire. Too bad they don't count :cry:

NY Times' spire is not a DELIBERATE cheat, it is purely architectural. There is no way the building, in the heart of the skyscraper capital of the world, ever had designs on any kind of height record. Personally I think the oversized spire works well in this design.

Q1 is a deliberate cheat in search of a record, but it's all smoke and mirrors. The more pics I see of this buiilding... the huge cheap out on the cladding/curtain wall, and the 80m of mechano toy on the roof, the more ordinary this building appears. Just ignore the pipe on top and you'll see what I mean.

As for Q1's roof being 275m... a recent photo posted from a pretty great angle (matches up nicely with the illustrator's "enhanced" drawing from SkyPage) makes clear where the real roof of the building is... 240 m max. So calling this ordinary building with it's huge headress a "world's tallest" anything is indeed a noteworthy cheat.

http://www.upside-down.ca/sdphotos/Qproof.jpg

It is pretty simple really, a roof covers enclosed space, so the roof of Q1 is the top of the Mechanical level which is 245m as it has a roof.

To say the top of the roof of the building is 240m when there is a section of roof higher than that is almost as silly as saying the roof of the tower is the top of a fin which doesn't have a roof :-)

240m could be called the main roof height, although that terminology has problems as well for buildings which have stepped rooves or a number of different roof heights.

I personally agree with elliot, ny Times tower did not deliberatley cheat with height, it looks fine and adds to the buildings 'ethereal' quality.

everyone knows that Q1 cheated on purpose because the spire design kept getting hgher and higher as to battle with eureka.

tecnically the chrysler is the worlds most famous cheat. it is famous for erecting the secret spire and keeping it secret until its rival was complete, then using it to gain more height. and i dont see anyone complaining about the chrysler - and before anyone does id just like to say that they secretly know that the building is better with a spire.

Well, there are many prominent examples but who cares...

In my book, a building is called a building because it has habitable space and a roof enclosing it. That's why I rank tallest buildings by roof height and I never count spires or decorative tops as parts of the building's height.

Some buildings would simply look moronic without their spires so I'm by no means a spire hater... Still, a building is a building = habitable inner space + roof as its shell. The so-called structural height is something I really don't give a crap about. It makes the borders between building and structure too blurry IMHO. Structural, integral, architectural, functional, nonfunctional, decorative... Rubbish if you ask me.

If you want to compare buildings even by tip height, go for it. Just don't forget that the Warsaw Radio Mast is still the number 1 of all times so far ;) Too bad some dummies made it collapse.

The Al Faisaliah Tower is another cheater in Riyadh have 60 floors and nothing but and empty crown with a ball inside it.

http://www.tabard.u-net.com/Pics/Offset%20Stills/S_RIYADH%202.jpg

the ball houses an observation deck and a restaurant