View Full Version : How would you vote if the Gomery Report cleared the Grits of wrongdoing?


.affed
September 13th, 2005, 11:47 PM
If the Gomery Report was published tomorrow in favour of the LPC, how would you vote?

touraccuracy
September 14th, 2005, 02:28 AM
Conservative.

Wonderwall
September 14th, 2005, 03:48 AM
How would I vote? The same as before. Anyone who would let their political ideology be shaped by some media furor over nothing isn't someone who should vote anyway.

*Jarrod
September 14th, 2005, 03:52 AM
^ditto which means i still won't vote for the conservatives

Boris550
September 14th, 2005, 04:07 AM
Screw it all, I'm voting Green.

rt_0891
September 14th, 2005, 04:21 AM
Greens

It's fiscally conservative, yet socially progessive and responsible.

habsfan
September 14th, 2005, 05:51 AM
Bloc

Oaronuviss
September 14th, 2005, 06:29 AM
NDP it's the only Canadian like party left that can actually make a difference.

Liberal - corrupt no matter what (I was Liberal all my life) NOTHING good came from it.

Conservative - self explanatory

Green - Meh...

Bloc - ??? LOL...is that a joke? An illegal party that cares nothing about Canada, and wants to see Qubec break away?

Nate
September 14th, 2005, 07:02 AM
Sadly most of Saskatchewan will vote conservative :(... However I believe it is the South Regina constituency that votes liberal (Ralph Goodale)

That's actually something I find funny... Saskatchewan has had an NDP provincial government for around 5 consecutive terms I think... yet we never vote NDP in the federal election... go figure. The NDP has been good for us provincially though... now being a have-province... who would have expected that? ;)

mr.x
September 14th, 2005, 08:24 AM
Liberal

crazyjoeda
September 14th, 2005, 10:01 PM
The Liberals should be in jail if they are found of wrong doing. I will not vote for such an incompetent party, Conservative is the way I and most people I hang out with will vote.

addisonwesley
September 14th, 2005, 10:09 PM
So are we going to be seeing the Blocs in Quebec, Liberals in the east, and Conservatives in the west?

.affed
September 14th, 2005, 10:37 PM
So are we going to be seeing the Blocs in Quebec, Liberals in the east, and Conservatives in the west?

Would that be any different to what we have now?

Conservatives in the hick ridings in the west (interior BC, AB, SK and MB), the Liberals in Ontario, the Bloc in Quebec (mostly) and the maritimes a mixture between Conservative and Liberal.

addisonwesley
September 14th, 2005, 11:24 PM
Blue-Red-Blue

Nate
September 15th, 2005, 01:31 AM
Would that be any different to what we have now?

Conservatives in the hick ridings in the west (interior BC, AB, SK and MB), the Liberals in Ontario, the Bloc in Quebec (mostly) and the maritimes a mixture between Conservative and Liberal.

I resent the hick comment... in no way am I a hick.

partybits
September 15th, 2005, 01:56 AM
I could care less about teh sponsorship scandal and it will in no way effect my vote.
I would vote for the Greens if there was proportional representation, but alas there is not.
I would consider the conservatives if they had replaced Harper with a more moderate "progressive" conservative, but alas we are stuck with Harper.
I would vote for NDP as a strategic vote if I see the Conservatives under Harper can't win, and my particular riding happens to be able to have a chance with a NDP.
Otherwise, I will continue to vote for the Grits.

My ultimate hope is to have another Liberal minority, only this time with a strong coalition with the NDP. The current every last vote counts, is way to unstable for a government. Even if the sum of liberals/NDP were 5 more seats, that is all you need for a coalition.
As for Conservatives, it's a pity what they have done to there party. They are the true official opposition and most likely to govern in the future. But when you swing so rapidly to the rigth through social policies, you alienate so many people who may be conservatives, but don't want to get involved in social issues. Green party is ironically this party, but the word Green and it's fringe party status is it's downfall

*Jarrod
September 15th, 2005, 01:56 AM
i thought sask voted lib and ndp?

partybits
September 15th, 2005, 01:59 AM
Would that be any different to what we have now?

Conservatives in the hick ridings in the west (interior BC, AB, SK and MB), the Liberals in Ontario, the Bloc in Quebec (mostly) and the maritimes a mixture between Conservative and Liberal.

Almost 40% of Ontario voted for Conservatives. 40% of Albertans did NOT vote for conservatives. Don't use blanket statements like that.

This is another reason we need Proportional representation. Western Alienation would be almost eliminated as they would actually have representaion under a Liberal party, instead of always having to rely on Conservative party to have a say. Sad state of affairs if you ask me.

Nate
September 15th, 2005, 02:36 AM
i thought sask voted lib and ndp?

Provincially we vote NDP (and have for many consecutive terms) the alternative is the Sask party (Tories under a new name) *shudder*...

And federally Saskatchewan sadly tends to vote Conservative :(, but like I said Southern Regina votes Liberal (Ralph Goodale - Finance Minister).

touraccuracy
September 15th, 2005, 08:07 AM
Conservatives in the hick ridings in the west (interior BC, AB, SK and MB)

You sir, are a jackass. You don't know anything about the west if you think we are hicks.

.affed
September 15th, 2005, 08:11 AM
You sir, are a jackass. You don't know anything about the west if you think we are hicks.

I know a lot by virtue of the four years I spent in Vancouver. I know that while Vancouver is a highly progressive, tolerant and liberal city, once you step into the valley and beyond, you're in hick-town Canada, where conservatism rules.

rt_0891
September 15th, 2005, 08:14 AM
Would that be any different to what we have now?

Conservatives in the hick ridings in the west (interior BC, AB, SK and MB), the Liberals in Ontario, the Bloc in Quebec (mostly) and the maritimes a mixture between Conservative and Liberal.

If you're a spokesperson for the Liberal Party, you have royally screwed up. It's not like the party needs any more Western Alienation anyways.

Boris550
September 15th, 2005, 08:27 AM
And they wonder why we're feeling a little alienated out here... :bash:

Nouvellecosse
September 15th, 2005, 10:11 AM
The outcome of the inquiry won't affect my vote. I'm an NDP member. ;) Not that I think the NDP is perfect - I just think they're a little better than rest. For now.

oceanmdx
September 15th, 2005, 08:34 PM
Liberal because I can't stand S. Harper.

Weezerfan
September 15th, 2005, 10:07 PM
I take offence to your hick comment as well. I am from Prince George and sure we may not all have university degrees and blue collar mill work is the norm but to make any suggestion that we are infrerior to people in urban centres is very dissheartening. It was the rural mentality that built this country and I can probably bet that most of the forumers on this forum have family who originates from rural areas. It is the pompus attitudes of you urbanites that piss me and a lot of rural people off. Rural people tend to be very hard working and industrious, and sure we tend to be conservative, probably because we have the most to lose in this confederation. We see our tax dollars being funneled to solve problems that exist in our major cities. an example of this is the federal governments child care strategy, it totally ignores the needs and requirements required by rural families but could the liberals give a shit about this, of course not. The regionalism in this country is ripping us appart and your comments do not help. The softwood lumber dispute has hit my region very hard and do you know what we had to do, we cut jobs, became more efficient and sucked it up. People in toronto seem to think that softwood is there problem and in a collective sense it is, but it appears the only reason torontarians and other urbanites in this country care about the issue is because it gives them another excuse to hold their anti-american views.

I plead with all you forumers, please stop fingering the americans, the rural areas depend on them whether we like it or not. Stop sacraficing our jobs just so you can have the satisfaction of "sticking up to them" Fingering them is only fingering ourselves.

I appologize for my little rant, the spelling mistakes contained in it, and the blanket statements made. My views are by no means the views held by rural westerners but please understand that we have the right to be pissed off. This country is being ripped appart by the so-called "morally superior viewpoints" contained in the urban coffeeshops of our country. I believe that we have an identity crises and university degrees and a billion dollars a year to the cbc is not solving our problem. Lets stop relying on history to define ourselves and look towards our potential as a unified country, your comments and I guess my own aren't helping, so call me a hypicrite.

I know a lot by virtue of the four years I spent in Vancouver. I know that while Vancouver is a highly progressive, tolerant and liberal city, once you step into the valley and beyond, you're in hick-town Canada, where conservatism rules.

.affed
September 15th, 2005, 11:02 PM
It was the rural mentality that built this country and I can probably bet that most of the forumers on this forum have family who originates from rural areas.

No... it was the urban centres that built this country, from Quebec City, to Vancouver through Montreal, Toronto and Winnipeg. These cetres concentrated and distributed financial and human capital across the land, settling it and making it grow. Today these places are looked upon by the rest of the world (and especially North America) as centres for cultural, intellectual and social growth. The country-side never mattered and it will never matter... From a logical perspective, if we look at the fact that a third of Canadians live in the three larges urban centres, and the fact that agriculture and resource exploitation (except oil) accounts for a lot less than a tenth of Canada's GDP, why should we care about rural Canadians who are just over-represented in the House of Commons, thus holding back social.

Rural people tend to be very hard working and industrious, and sure we tend to be conservative, probably because we have the most to lose in this confederation.

Maybe you'e hard working and industrious, but you still can't contribute even 10% to Canada's economic growth.

We see our tax dollars being funneled to solve problems that exist in our major cities.

Oh, you're so very wrong. It is us in the urban centres who subsidise inefficient agricultural practices. It has been thus since Confederation.

The regionalism in this country is ripping us appart and your comments do not help.

I agree... regionalism is to subside if we wish to survive as a country. I have done my bit by puting Canada before Quebec. When will Albertans follow by, for instance, lowering their oil prices?

People in toronto seem to think that softwood is there problem and in a collective sense it is, but it appears the only reason torontarians and other urbanites in this country care about the issue is because it gives them another excuse to hold their anti-american views.

Very far-fetched. We care about it because if we don't there will be a precedent set whereby Americans won't live up to the agreement they signed with us on free trade. It's a matter of principle, and of course 5 billion dollars. Don't forget that Ontario and Quebec have much to loose with this... BC is not the only province with forests in this vast land of ours.

I plead with all you forumers, please stop fingering the americans, the rural areas depend on them whether we like it or not. Stop sacraficing our jobs just so you can have the satisfaction of "sticking up to them" Fingering them is only fingering ourselves.

The rural areas depend on the big cities, and not the US. I will continue to finger the US because what they are doing to Canada and the world cannot be tolerated. They must be held accountable for their actions.

rt_0891
September 15th, 2005, 11:36 PM
I take offence to your hick comment as well. I am from Prince George and sure we may not all have university degrees and blue collar mill work is the norm but to make any suggestion that we are infrerior to people in urban centres is very dissheartening. It was the rural mentality that built this country and I can probably bet that most of the forumers on this forum have family who originates from rural areas. It is the pompus attitudes of you urbanites that piss me and a lot of rural people off. Rural people tend to be very hard working and industrious, and sure we tend to be conservative, probably because we have the most to lose in this confederation. We see our tax dollars being funneled to solve problems that exist in our major cities. an example of this is the federal governments child care strategy, it totally ignores the needs and requirements required by rural families but could the liberals give a shit about this, of course not. The regionalism in this country is ripping us appart and your comments do not help. The softwood lumber dispute has hit my region very hard and do you know what we had to do, we cut jobs, became more efficient and sucked it up. People in toronto seem to think that softwood is there problem and in a collective sense it is, but it appears the only reason torontarians and other urbanites in this country care about the issue is because it gives them another excuse to hold their anti-american views.

Actually no. Cities rely as much on America as the rural areas do. Every industry in the city has extensive trade connections elsewhere (mostly to the US), and if trade barriers are put up and NAFTA is abused, no one is happy. BTW, Urbanites hold anti-US Government views, not Anti-American views!

If Canadians were anti-America, we would already have minutemen scouring the borders.

bluenoser
September 16th, 2005, 12:09 AM
Wow .affed... for a liberal you sure are a bit of an *******, even I'm offended by what you're saying and I'm from Halifax. Sure rural areas produce a relatively small amount of GDP but they provide us with food an natural resources. These are just as important since GDP is fairly low in nutriants and malleable materials.

Also Blue-Red-Blue is a bit of an oversimplification, and even then Blue-Red would be more accurate. "Out Here" most of the MP's are Liberals, I'd guess about 70% Liberal, 15% Con and 15% NDP.

addisonwesley
September 16th, 2005, 12:50 AM
Sorry. Blue-Red-Blue-Red.

Steeltown
September 16th, 2005, 01:29 AM
I have nobody else to vote for but the Liberals. Wish the PC party would come back.

oceanmdx
September 16th, 2005, 01:48 AM
The softwood lumber dispute has hit my region very hard and do you know what we had to do, we cut jobs, became more efficient and sucked it up. People in toronto seem to think that softwood is there problem and in a collective sense it is, but it appears the only reason torontarians and other urbanites in this country care about the issue is because it gives them another excuse to hold their anti-american views.

I plead with all you forumers, please stop fingering the americans, the rural areas depend on them whether we like it or not. Stop sacraficing our jobs just so you can have the satisfaction of "sticking up to them" Fingering them is only fingering ourselves.


Yes, the softwood lumber issue is a real problem for many different parts of Canada. Clearly, if the Americans were to abide by their agreements, this wouldn't be an issue today. However, to suggest that they are punishing Canada because of the "anti-American" (whatever that is) opinions held by urbanities (talk about stereotyping) only makes it patently clear that you don't have the foggiest inkling of how US politics works.

oceanmdx
September 16th, 2005, 01:51 AM
I agree... regionalism is to subside if we wish to survive as a country. I have done my bit by puting Canada before Quebec. When will Albertans follow by, for instance, lowering their oil prices?


Alberta has no part in setting oil prices. They are set by the world market for oil. If we were to set oil prices in Canada, the Feds are the ones with the jurisdictional authority, whilst the provinces have the authority to control production. Alberta is not withholding any production, so by your reasoning, Alberta is a good guy in Canada. However, I understand that Nfld. has had a lot of trouble trying to negotiate with Quebec on expanding Churchill Falls.

addisonwesley
September 16th, 2005, 02:07 AM
"Wish the PC party would come back." There are still conservatives in Ontario, ableit I don't think they're in power.

desiguy8179
September 16th, 2005, 02:23 AM
the main thing is DO you really vote in elections or just talk about it!

Nouvellecosse
September 16th, 2005, 02:41 AM
I have nobody else to vote for but the Liberals. Wish the PC party would come back.

What about the Green Party? A lot of people refuse to vote for a small party that has no chance of forming a government or opposition, but every vote is extremely important to them. Your one vote will increase their total suppourt percentage wise much more than it would a large party.

Nate
September 16th, 2005, 02:51 AM
the main thing is DO you really vote in elections or just talk about it!

I want to vote so badly... They called the provincial election here in the spring just a few months shy of my 18th birthday... grr... and the federal election was also a couple months before my birthday too :(...

I can't wait until I can vote :D... don't know why, but it makes me excited.

TSAPET
September 16th, 2005, 04:11 PM
Conservatives in the hick ridings in the west (interior BC, AB, SK and MB) ...Who let this jagoff post this garbage? I'm not even a westerner and I resent this comment.

Wonderwall
September 17th, 2005, 12:05 AM
It's sarcasm; it has to be. No one could possibly be so hypocrytical as to extoll the virtues of urbanity, culture, and tolerance by accusing someone of being a hick. So go on, use some other bigoted terms -- maybe even whip out the racism to prove your liberal virtue.

Bertez
September 18th, 2005, 05:22 AM
The wonders of Canadian politics.....Your dammed if do, your dammed if you don't.

ssiguy2
September 18th, 2005, 06:38 PM
I would NEVER vote Conservative. I can't stand Harper, he couldn't run a newsstand little alone a country. Most of all thou, they have completly taken the word "progressive" out of the party. It's just the Reform Party with a new name.
I would like to vote NDP and being in BC there are some definate NDP ridings but mine isn't one of them.
I guess I would have to bite the bullet {and possibly surrender my soul } and vote Liberal.
Thing to remember about the "Conservatives" is that they are, outside of Quebec, not so much a western party as they are a rural/small town party.
They lost 2 Edmonton seats, got only a few in greater Vancouver, didn't get one in Winnipeg, none in urban Ontario except a couple in the 905, didn't do well in Victoria.
The only city they have a complete stronghold in is Calgary. Even that is not because there are not progessive people in Calgary but rather in many ways it is seen as a anti- Ottawa protest vote.
They get their support from rural Canada and seniors.
As the post war/sexual revolution people start to retire they will increasingly lose much of that constituency and rural Canada is on the decline, both demographically and economically.
They will NEVER get a majority government, the numbers just aren't and never will be there.
They will never get Ontario being too liberal and urban, Atlantic canada will not support a government that scales back EI, equalisation, never get a seat in Quebec, and, with the exception of Calgary, not do well in the urban West, especially BC and Manitoba.
Let's remember that the only reason Mulroney got in was that he was no red-neck and most of all he got Quebec.......being a Quebecer himself and relativly progressive on many social issues.
A minority? Perhaps but even that is questionable.
Despite Gomery they are still at 27% national support. Thats 10% behind the Liberals and in Alberta they are at 55% which totally scews the numbers. Outside Alberta they are at approx 21%. Pretty shitty considering Gomery and gutless-wonder Martin.

Brett
September 18th, 2005, 08:17 PM
I would choose Green just as i always vote green! To bad we don't have proportional representation or the greens might get a seat! :(

Wonderwall
September 18th, 2005, 08:31 PM
Next time you make a poll, don't forget these parties:

Ebenezer's (http://www.progressivecanadian.org/) second apparition
If Howard Roark (http://www.libertarian.ca/index.html) had voted
For the Pensioners (http://www.geocities.com/graypartycanada/index) among us

partybits
September 18th, 2005, 10:41 PM
Well if your going to add those parties, it's only fair to add every other party in Canada:

http://www.answers.com/canadian%20political%20parties

Political parties with representation in the Canadian Parliament
Bloc Québécois (founded 1990) - Quebec Sovereigntist, Social Democratic
Conservative Party of Canada (founded 2003) - Conservative
Liberal Party of Canada (founded 1867) - Liberal
New Democratic Party (founded 1961) - Social Democratic
See also: Canadian federal election, 2004


Other registered parties
Canadian Action Party (founded 1997) - Progressive, Nationalist
Christian Heritage Party of Canada (founded 1987) - Christian Right, Theocratic
Communist Party of Canada (founded 1921) - Communist
Green Party of Canada (founded 1983) - Green
Libertarian Party of Canada (founded 1975) - Libertarian
Marijuana Party of Canada (founded 2000) - Anti-Prohibitionist (Marijuana)
Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada (founded 1970) - Marxist-Leninist
Progressive Canadian Party (founded 2004) - Moderate-Conservative




Unregistered parties

Absolutely Absurd Party
Ambiguous Party
Cosmopolitan Party of Canada (founded 2003)
Canadian Extreme Wrestling Party
Direct Access Democracy Canada (founded 2003)
Freedom Party of Canada (founded 2001)
Global Party of Canada (founded 2002)
Hedonist Party of Canada (founded 2004)
Malevolent Party of Canada (founded 2004)
Nationalist Party of Canada (founded 1977)
Parti citron
Parti égalité du Canada
Parti Populaire des Putes
The Party Party
Peace and Ecology Party of Canada (founded 2005)
Popular Democratic Party (founded 2003)
Socialist Alternative
Socialist Party of Canada
Western Block Party (founded 2005)
Western Canada Concept (founded 1980)
Western Independence Party (founded 1987)

P.S. Always wanted to know, just what argument did the Communists and Marxists have to split into two parties. Could'nt they merge and get maybe a whole 10 votes! lol