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وزير الخارجية يعلن رفع الحظر عن البضائع الإسرائيلية

22/09/2005




قال نائب رئيس الوزراء وزير الخارجية الشيخ محمد بن مبارك آل خليفة

إن الحكومة ''اتخذت قراراً برفع الحظر عن دخول البضائع الاسرائيلية إلي الاسواق البحرينية''.

وأكد وزير الخارجية في تصريح لصحيفة الرأي العام الكويتية أن ''القرار اتخذ بالفعل وهناك اتفاقية تجارة حرة وقعتها البحرين واتفاقيات التجارة الحرة لا تطبق قرارات المقاطعة ونحن لم نوقع الاتفاقية مع إسرائيل بل مع الولايات المتحدة''، مشيرا إلي أن ''هناك من وقع مع إسرائيل لكننا لم نفعل''. وأوضح الوزير أن البحرين تسير في اتفاقيات التجارة الحرة مع الولايات المتحدة وهذا الموضوع (التجارة الحرة) تم الاتفاق عليه في مجلس التعاون الخليجي''. وقال إن ''رفع الحظر عن البضائع الاسرائيلية شيء والتطبيع مع إسرائيل شيء آخر فنحن نلتزم المبادرة العربية للسلام التي أقرت في بيروت. وحول الاتصالات مع الجانب الاسرائيلي قال الوزير: إن هناك موقفا عربيا سيبحث في اجتماع لوزراء الخارجية العرب في نيويورك وسنخرج بموقف موحد والبحرين ستلتزمه وتعتبره إطارا عاماً. (د.ب.أ)

This was subsequent to signing FTA with the USA.

I think that if Israel lets Palestine to be declared as a separate state and lets Jeruslalem to be shared, there should be good relations from that point. Until then, I think muslim countries should wait, despite pressure from the US. Muslims should eventually have good relations with Jews because historically they took refuge in Muslim lands, away from the dangerous Christian lands where they faced persecution.

Can anyone translate that article to English?

It's a good move.

No Comment.

good move.....i heard that we have embassy in Dubai ut ppl don't know about it.....

it is good...

A quick translation:

Foreign Minister declares that Bahrain lifts ban on Israeli products. When signing an FTA, there should not be any boycotts and to be clear, the FTA was signed with the U.S. and not Israel. Lifting the ban is one thing and cooperating is another, we share the arab initiative of peace that was declared in Beirut. The arab foreign ministers will meet in N.Y. and will have a united stance and Bahrain will share that.

good move.....i heard that we have embassy in Dubai ut ppl don't know about it.....

Zohar , when your GOV realises that palastenians are actually humans that deserve to lead their own lives "free" and have a state they can call home , then and only then will the UAE have anything to do with your country.

What is the point in having an embassy in Dubai if no one knows it :D.

I really wonder here as it appears that only emarati nationals have some sence.

What is the point in having an embassy in Dubai if no one knows it :D.

I really wonder here as it appears that only emarati nationals have some sence.

are you looking for trouble?

i suggest you edit your post, and then ill edit this.

wasalam.


oh and before i go, good move by the bahrainis. its about time. so now its qatar and bahrain, maybe kuwait is going in the same path too.

I wont edit it.

I have the right to state my view.

I wont edit it.

I have the right to state my view.

ok so i take it qataris and bahrainis now dont make sense, yea? :|

^ For me YES although the majority of them have a totally different view. That is what I think anyway.

I am not forcing u on my view and am not dictating like u do. I have the right to say my opinion dont u think.

^ For me YES although the majority of them have a totally different view. That is what I think anyway.

I am not forcing u on my view and am not dictating like u do. I have the right to say my opinion dont u think.

yes you do have your own rights to ure own opinions, provided you do not indirectly insult somebody or a group of people. otherwise theyll do the same to you, so anyways...

Sure, if they were insulted they can tell me or they can ignore it. They have the choice.

No one is asking u to be a web police.

Sure, if they were insulted they can tell me.

No one is asking u to be a web police.

LOL, dont pot call the kettle black my friend. ;)

HAhaha, you guys are like a cat and mouse...Tom and jerry...Only i don't know who's who...

And lets just see what the UAE will do when they sign their FTA with the states, which they are in the process of doing i think...Lets see if they won't follow suit...I bet they will without blinking or giving it a second thought...

I too think that the UAE will.

Trade between Israel and the arab world will be pretty much one sided of us importing oil and natural gas. Because Israeli products are mostly imported from other places by arab countries, and vice versa. Anyway most high tech farming equipment, medicine and high tech products are already traded through third countries, for many years.

The real bonanza for me will be when we have tourism.
In the short run a weekend in Bahrain or UAE (4 hour flight)

in the long run a fast speed train..
I want to take a train from alexandria through gaza, tel aviv up to to beirut and from haifa to amman to damascus and to beirut and down back to haifa..
And then link this to the gulf.
It could be so cool.

Well maybe not you source , because you made it quite clear to us what you think of arabs in general and palestnians in particular , and that sort of mentality isnt really welcome , dont you agree with me ?

Maybe the next generation of israelis will be more tolerable and just

when palestinians think I have a right to exist and accept our rights over our land I will change my mind up as well.
I wont hug someone with an explosives belt to kill me, neither would you..

Also I have no problem with muslims or arabs.
I have two egyptian friends, I live with 2 arab neighbors in Haifa,
and I have at least 3-4 arab israeli friends, who study with me.
The problem is not our side.. and you know it.

Source , i know israelis do get killed in the process too , i would be a complete blind idiot if i said otherwise , but when you actually admitt that your GOV acts in horrific ways againts the PAL people , only then will we as humans first and arabs second accept you into our countries

Our gov can do as they like , but whats the point of visiting a country where the majority of the people will be waiting for one wrong thing to come out of you just to beat the hell out of you , i personally wouldnt want to go visit a country if i knew the people though of me in that way.

The fact that you have arab friends erases every horrific deed committed againts the Pals !!! life isnt that nice my friend , israelis will be reminded of it till the end of time

We will milk this cow to the very last drop the way you do the germans every year ! dont we have the right ?

oh you mean the way israel has increased the life expactancy of arabs from 50 years to 80? the way thousands from gaza work in Israel because egypt doesnt let them work there? You mean the way arab israelis enjoy a higher standard of living than 90 percent of the arab world? or that palestinians are doing better than most of their supporters in iran or north africa?

The germans? Even though they butchered 6 million jews we have friendly and even very strong relations with Germany. So this example is pretty bad on your part, not to mention the palestinians and arab world have kileld 21,000 israeli soldiers and civilians in wars and terror 1500 innocent civilians in the last intifada so I dont see your point.. even after this we dont even have a death sentence for these terrorists, and only a handful of the worst have been targeted in self defense. Any country that has 5000 rockets launched on it would do much worse things to protect itself..

Although personally I cant see myself visiting Germany because they killed 30 members of my family, most of my friends have no trouble buying german products, cars or travelling there. Also, jews have never been anything but loyal and beneficial citizens of Germany.. and most israelis like my grandfather, even though they killed his entire family, refused to take any german compensation money, not even one mark, and I am very proud of him for this decision. Its filthy money and I can understand those that took it to rebuild their life but its still filthy.

So please choose better excuses next time.
You can milk anything you want, as long as its a cow, not an ant..

Source i read the first two sentances , and concluded that there is no point whatsoever to continue , you have been brainwashed inside-out

bye , i will not continue this discussion

Its a shame because seeing as youve used the Holocaust, and that you think remembering 6 million dead people for such a small nation is "milking the cow",
I'd say you dont believe in conversations from the start in any case, no matter what I'd write.

speaking of killing, more muslims kill muslims than any others, so I guess you wont be having relations with iran, iraq, huh?

This ingnore list sure does rock :D first time i use it

Dubai Boy why do u think Source26 brainwashed and you're not... i personely i wish if things really get better between arab countries and Israel and i'm sure if that happened all problems will be solved

Because Israel isnt supposed to exist in the first place. The place was ruled by muslims and the majority were muslims and it was awned by muslims. Muslims were kicked out therfore they are supposed to come back.

That is why what has been made on a wrong base will remain wrong.

Dubai Boy why do u think Source26 brainwashed and you're not... i personely i wish if things really get better between arab countries and Israel and i'm sure if that happened all problems will be solved

agree!
good to know not everybody is extreme like the two nuisances
dubai boy and smussuw.. go hand in hand and join tora bora militia

why do arabs always give away thier asses???????????????????????????

You want an FTA with the U.S., lifting the ban is a must. And about the arabs givin their asses away, what do you want them to do when you have the world's superpower pressurizing you.

^^ Sure, all the US does is promoting israeli interests in the world. seriously though, its a good move.

The real bonanza for me will be when we have tourism.
In the short run a weekend in Bahrain or UAE (4 hour flight)

in the long run a fast speed train..
I want to take a train from alexandria through gaza, tel aviv up to to beirut and from haifa to amman to damascus and to beirut and down back to haifa..
And then link this to the gulf.
It could be so cool.

Quite the optimist...I can't see that ever happening...Even if government's allowed it one day, it'd be hard, cuz Arabs are stubborn and in general u wouldnt be welcome...It'd be stupid to go an arab or gulf country...Maybe even suicide!! There probably would be few places if any that Israelis might be able to visit in the entire arab world, if everything is normalized...I can see some arabs visiting Tel Aviv, not too many, but a good few since the Arab world is big as u know...Lots of business trips too...But Israelis visiting arab cities...I just really dont see that happening any time soon without you ppl being harrassed and stuff...Maybe if things work out really well, and a true palestinian state, not only in Gaza, but in the West Bank, and with Jerusalem is established..But i don't now...

Btw a direct flight from say Tel Aviv to Manama, Bahrain, would take 2 hours, maybe 2 hours 10 minutes at most i'd imagine...Cuz Bahrain to Beirut i know takes 2 hours and a half on average....Tel Aviv to Dubai would probably take approximately 3 hours 10 minutes...

But Israelis visiting arab cities...I just really dont see that happening any time soon without you ppl being harrassed and stuff...

newsflash:

we can visit marocco, tunisia, tanzania, egypt, jordan, turkey, mauritania.
all these countries are muslim..
but maybe you are right and most arab people are too closed within themselves, ignorant, fanatic and biased that they swallow whatever they are told to swallow from religion and governments.. I guess thats partly why democracy isnt possible there either.

Anyways I think we will still prefer Turkey over the gulf, we hate heatwaves
(hamsin)

Well i guess its the gulf i really mean, but i also think it might not be soo easy for Israelis to visit Beirut...Lebanese ppl aren't close minded, intolerant, or fanatic, infact quite the opposite, its just that from my experience they seem to be in general almost paranoid with conspiracies...Like Syrian and Israeli conspiracies...Because their a little country, and a bit insecure cuz Syria and some other countries are strongly influencing it and stuff...Soo do Israelis go to Jordan and Egypt a lot?? Well maybe not Jordan... theres no real reason too, but Egypt???

Btw the gulf has very lovely weather during the winter season..During January and these months the weather is just wonderful...Cool breezes, cloudy skies, none of that awful humidity...I bet Dubai would be an amazing place to visit when the weather is cool...Nice place to go outdoors and stuff...We don't have heatwaves all year long...lol..!

Syria.. frankly Ive seen syria in photos and tv and I think its a boring country.
Lebanon is similar to north israel.. Id probably go ski there though it doesnt match up to european resorts.
The Gulf I can visit easily on my EU passport, but if I want to see highrises I would still go to new york or hong kong or shanghai.
I think most Israelis would still prefer Europe or the usa.. if to arab countries than to marocco, tunisia, lybia, egypt or iraq to see thier family's roots, homes, etc.
and as far as shopping and relaxation turkey, greece and sinai really covers that market..
If we want a mid-east/arabic experience we have enough of it here at home :)

but since we are travel-holics Im sure any country that opens up will get influx of tourists from here.

to sinai I think its 100,000-200,000 a year (before the bombings 300,000-400,000, now i dont know)
to cairo (mainly) I think its only a few hundreds because of security problems.
to jordan I think its also been a few thousands a year but in the intifada it dropped to a few hundreds.
to marocco its really a hit and I think it could be more than to sinai, also tunisia if it will catch I think its a few thousands a year.
I dont know from these countries to Israel, but very few, only foreign tourists and businessmen crossing make up the most.
In 1995 Egypt tourism to Israel was the highest - 28,000.

to turkey from Israel its 50-100,000 a year I think at least.
All in all 2,000,000 travel each year , the highest ratio of travel per population of any country in the world.

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2002/586/eg2.htm
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2004/712/eg10.htm

why there are two topics about this here?!

well its a shame to see Arabs are making relations with a Tyrant country (who by the way many Arab people dont recognise it as a legal state), because Arabs are weak and Israel is fully supported by the US ,many Arab and Islamic countries are making relations with Israel.
how sad and pathatic, but anyway our governments are not Democratic WHICH means that its not what the Majority of the People want.;)

anyway , its funny and pathatic how Israelis are so happy and advertising small relations between them and some Arab and Muslim countries. ;)

^^ Yes.. pathetic how they want normalization in the middle east..

اعتبرت القرار استجابة لاتفاقية التجارة الحرة مع أمريكا
البحرين تلغي حظر البضائع الاسرائيلية.. وتنفي نية التطبيع السياسي

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وزير الخارجية البحرينية أكد أن بلاده ملتزمة بالقرارات العربية

المنامة- اف ب

اعلن نائب رئيس مجلس الوزراء وزير الخارجية البحريني الشيخ محمد بن مبارك آل خليفة الجمعة 23-9-2005م ان البحرين اتخذت قرارا برفع الحظر عن البضائع الاسرائيلية لكنه نفى نية المنامة اقامة علاقات مع اسرائيل

وفي تصريح نشرته صحيفة "الوسط" البحرينية من نيويورك صرح وزير الخارجية ان المنامة قررت رفع الحظر عن البضائع الاسرائيلية "لان ذلك احد شروط اتفاقية التجارة الحرة مع الولايات المتحدة"، لكن المسؤول البحريني نفى نية بلاده اقامة علاقات دبلوماسية مع اسرائيل مؤكدا "اننا ملتزمون بالقرارات العربية"، واضاف "اية علاقات دبلوماسية ستكون ضمن الاجماع العربي وحسب تطور عملية السلام".

ونسبت الصحيفة لمصادر دبلوماسية في نيويورك قولها ان "اعلان رفع الحظر عن البضائع الاسرائيلية جاء بعد طلب مباشر من المفاوضين ومجموعات الضغط الاميركية بان تعلن البحرين رسميا وعلنيا عن رفع الحظر كشرط اساسي للتصديق على اتفاق التجارة الحرة مع واشنطن".

واشارت الصحيفة نقلا عن مصادر دبلوماسية عربية في نيويورك "ان البحرين ستقيم علاقات مع اسرائيل بعد ان وقع المسؤولون البحرينيون على قرار باغلاق مكتب مقاطعة البضائع الاسرائيلية الاسبوع الماضي"، لكن الوزير البحريني اعتبر ان "مثل هذا الحديث تطلقه بعض الاوساط كبالون اختبار" مؤكدا ان موقف البحرين "يسير حسب خطة واضحة وعلنية تلتزم بقرارات الجامعة العربية" حسب الصحيفة.

من جهته, انتقد رئيس "جمعية مقاومة التطبيع مع العدو الصهيوني" محمد العرادي قرار البحرين رفع الحظر عن البضائع الاسرائيلية، وقال للصحيفة "اتفاق التجارة الحرة لم نجن منه أي جانب ايجابي حتى الان فلماذا نبدأ بجني الجوانب السلبية".

واضاف "الاتفاق على مقاطعة اسرائيل اقر في مؤتمرات القمة العربية ان موقفا من هذا القبيل كان يجب ان لا تستفرد فيه الحكومة"، وتابع "كان يجب ان تتشاور بشأنه مع المجلس التشريعي ومع مؤسسات المجتمع المدني لان هذا قرار استراتيجي".

ودعت جمعية "الوسط العربي الاسلامي" ( قوميون واسلاميون سنة ) جميع "مؤسسات المجتمع المدني الى الوقوف صفا واحدا في مواجهة سياسات التطبيع مع العدو الصهيوني" وفق الصحيفة، وقالت الجمعية في بيان اصدرته ان "الخيار الوحيد امام الامة لن يمر عبر سياسات التنازل عن الثوابت القومية والاسلامية" وفق ما نشرته الصحيفة

ونقلت الصحيفة عن نائب رئيس جمعية المنبر الوطني الاسلامي ( اخوان مسلمون ) علي احمد قوله "هل الهدف هو ارضاء الولايات المتحدة لتوقيع اتفاق التجارة الحرة بين البلدين".

:lol: Good one, Shohad :cheers:

What is the point in having an embassy in Dubai if no one knows it :D.

I really wonder here as it appears that only emarati nationals have some sence.

smussuw

Hey mr knowing everything,

Did you forget that Dubai welcomed Israeli delegation during IMF and World Bank meeting in Dubai couple of years ago?

It’s only about time, seeing you banned is a must. Please don't insult Bahrainis in their own thread. Go away please ... and there are people in your country who are 1000 times better than you to represent their country and those respect their neighbors and you don’t. You are a shame on your country and this flag you put as your avatar.

smussuw

Hey mr knowing everything,

Did you forget that Dubai welcomed Israeli delegation during IMF and World Bank meeting in Dubai couple of years ago?

It’s only about time, seeing you banned is a must. Please don't insult Bahrainis in their own thread. Go away please ... and there are people in your country who are 1000 times better than you to represent their country and those respect their neighbors and you don’t. You are a shame on your country and this flag you put as your avatar.

Sure, but the Emarati nationals never welcomed those Israeli and never will.

The other thing about me insulting Bahrani nationals is bull shit. I never did and never will.

Bahrain minister denies charges nation establishing diplomatic ties with Israel

By Habib Toumi, Bureau Chief

Manama : Shaikh Mohammad Bin Mubarak Al Khalifa, Bahrain's Foreign Minister, has dismissed allegations that Bahrain was establishing diplomatic relations with Israel.
They were mere tests to gauge Bahrain's reactions, he has said.

"Bahrain is committed to the Arab League resolutions, and diplomatic relations with Israel will be premised on Arab consensus and on the development of the peace process," Shaikh Mohammad was quoted as saying by Arabic-language Al Wasat newspaper.

The foreign minister, who is currently in New York, was commenting on claims that Bahrain would establish relations with Israel after it had decided to drop a ban on imports of Israeli goods.

"A normalisation of diplomatic ties with Israel is not on the table currently," he said.

Shaikh Mohammad said that the lifting of the ban on Israeli goods was part of the free trade agreement signed with the US.

"A free-trade agreement (FTA) has been signed by Bahrain and the United States, and free-trade agreements do not allow the implementation of boycotts," Shaikh Mohammad said.

A senior US diplomat told Gulf News that countries that join the World Trade Organisation (WTO) pledge not to enforce aspects of the Arab League boycott of Israel that apply to US firms doing business with Israel. They also pledge to abide by WTO rules in their trade with all 148 members of the WTO, including Israel.

"So there is nothing outstanding about the lifting of the ban issue now," he said.

According to a local newspaper, Bahrain's public announcement of dropping the ban on Israeli goods was a condition for the ratification of the FTA by the US Congress.

The deal, signed in September 2004, was endorsed by Bahrain's deputies, but the Congress has yet to ratify it.

Bahrain's ministry of finance officials said that they could not comment on the issue.

The telephone of the office of the Israel Boycott Office at Mina Salman in Manama seemed to be disconnected going by its continual flat tone.

Bahrain's telephone company (Batelco) confirmed that the telephone number was disconnected, which could be interpreted as an indication that the office is being shut down.

Two Islamic societies criticised in statements the lifting of the ban, saying that it was "capitulation to an enemy that is keen on destruction and murder in Arab and Muslim Palestine".

Islamic National Menbar Society deputy Ali Ahmad Abdullah said the society was investigating the issue through official channels.

link (http://gulfnews.com/Articles/RegionNF.asp?ArticleID=183390)

Guys this is part of the FTA, yes we lift the ban but do you think that our traders will sell Israeli goods, no. To have an FTA, there are no barriers and hence, lift the ban. Also, as Shohad said, the U.S. promotes Israel's interests worldwide.

what did i miss ??

They were mere tests to gauge Bahrain's reactions, he has said.

So if the response was favourable they would do it for real eventually.. soon?

Were they expecting riots? :)

anyway , its funny and pathatic how Israelis are so happy and advertising small relations between them and some Arab and Muslim countries. ;)

agree, our foreign minister is ridiculous jumping up and down every time some
arab dictator or general shakes his hand and the media go wild, its discusting and pathetic.

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علي ال غراش من الدمام: أصدرت 19 جمعية سياسية وأهلية ومهنية وإسلامية بحرينية امس بيانا اعلنت فيه رفضها لرفع الحظر عن البضائع والسلع الإسرائيلية تحت مظلة اتفاقية التجارة الحرة الموقعة مع الولايات المتحدة الأميركية، وطالبت المجتمع المدني العربي والإسلامي بالتصدي لهذه الخطوة.

وأوضح البيان أن تسرب البضائع الإسرائيلية إلى دول الخليج، وقيام بعض الشركات بالتحايل على قرارات المقاطعة التي أقرتها الاتفاقيات العربية، واستيراد بضائع إسرائيلية تحت غطاء شركات أوروبية، و تصريح وزير خارجية قطر الشيخ حمد بن جاسم بن جبر عن نية بلاده إقامة علاقات مع الكيان الصهيوني، ونية حكومة مملكة البحرين وكذلك السعودية لرفع الحظر عن استيراد البضائع الإسرائيلية تماشيا مع التوقيع على اتفاقية التجارة الحرة مع الولايات المتحدة الأميركية ما هي إلا محاولات لإغلاق مكتب المقاطعة للعدو الصهيوني رضوخا للضغط الأميركي . واعتبر البيان أن تلك التنازلات تشكل تجاهلا واستخفافا بمشاعر شعب البحرين وتحديا لإرادته وتزيد من عنجهية الكيان الصهيوني الذي أجبر مؤخرا على الانسحاب من قطاع غزة تحت ضربات المقاومة الفلسطينية الباسلة وصمود الشعب الفلسطيني العظيم. وطالب البيان الأحزاب العربية والمنظمات الشعبية ومؤسسات المجتمع المدني وكافة الشرفاء في العالم العربي والإسلامي بالتصدي لهذه المؤامرة الصهيونية بقيادة الولايات المتحدة والعمل على إفشالها .

وعلى صعيد اخر، أكد عبدالهادي مرهون النائب الأول لرئيس مجلس النواب ورئيس الكتلة الديمقراطية في البرلمان البحريني إن انفراد الحكومة بالقرار أمر غير صحيح, ومسألة محزنة بالفعل ، موضحا أن رفع المقاطعة يقع في نطاق القرارات التي يفترض أن تتخذ بإجماع عربي من منطلق الثوابت القومية والتمسك بالمواقف التي لا يتوجب المهادنة فيها. واضاف المرهون بان الشعوب العربية ترفض جميع المعاهدات مع إسرائيل، سواء تحت شعار السلام أو في إطار الاتفاقيات التجارية، مشيرا الى ان الشعوب مازالت ترفض تغلغل هذا الكيان السرطاني وتصر على المطالبة باستعادة الحقوق العربية التي مازالت مغتصبة من قبل الإسرائيليين .

وشدد على ان كتلته ستتشاور مع جميع الكتل النيابية لاتخاذ موقف يبنى عليه التحرك النيابي .

وأكد النائب د.علي أحمد نائب رئيس جمعية المنبر الوطني الإسلامي أن هناك إجراءات برلمانية بالفعل قد بدأت للوقوف ضد القرار الحكومي القاضي بفتح أسواقنا المحلية للبضائع الصهيونية عبر التنسيق مع الكتل داخل البرلمان رغبة بصورة مستعجلة لوقف ذلك القرار.

وأبدى استغربه من محاولة الحكومة وبعض الوزراء التقليل من شأن تلك الخطوة وتعليلها بأنها لا تعني التطبيع مع الكيان الصهيوني، ودعا الى التراجع عن هذا القرار والوقوف بقوة في مواجهة الاختراق الصهيوني للمنطقة بدل تسهيل دخول بضائع ذلك الكيان اللقيط لدولنا تحت مسميات التجارة والاقتصاد.

ولم تمنع تلك الأصوات من بروز اراء اخرى مخالفة، إذ يرى بعض المعتدلين أن التيارات الإسلامية تحاول أن تستغل قرار البضائع الإسرائيلية في تضخيم القرار وأشغال المجتمع وتحريكه في قضية أصبحت مفروغ منها في هذاالزمن المتغير إذ إن العديد من الدول العربية لديها علاقات تجارية والبضائع الإسرائيلية موجودة في أسواقها ولم تأثر في تغيير الأفكار والسلوكيات والتطبيع الشعبي مع إسرائيل بل العكس كما في مصر.

what did i miss ??

Nothin much buddy, just what the title says.

peace is the natural way to live

^^Agree, and Bahrain is showing good well by this move.

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دعا مجلس النواب البحريني الثلاثاء 11-10-2005م الحكومة الى التراجع عن قرارها رفع الحظر على البضائع الاسرائيلية, فيما اكدت الحكومة ان الخطوة كانت ضرورية لامرار اتفاق التجارة الحرة بين المملكة والولايات المتحدة.

وصوت 29 نائبا من اصل 30 حضروا الجلسة على اربع توصيات تنص على "ان تتراجع الحكومة عن قرارها رفع الحظر على البضائع الاسرائيلية لانه يتعارض مع موقف شعب البحرين" و"اعادة فتح مكتب مقاطعة اسرائيل" و"التزام الحكومة عدم اتخاذ اي خطوات او قرارات مصيرية دون الرجوع للمجلس" واخيرا "تفعيل القانون رقم 5 لعام 1963 بانشاء مكتب مقاطعة اسرائيل".

واستمرت المناقشات قرابة خمس ساعات بعد ان تقدم 22 نائبا يمثلون جميع الكتل باقتراح برغبة ( غير ملزم للحكومة ) لمناقشة قرارها رفع الحظر عن البضائع الاسرائيلية. واجمع النواب باستثناء اثنين على ضرورة ان تراجع الحكومة قرارها وان تلتزم الموقف العربي حيال اسرائيل، وانتقد النواب في مداخلاتهم ما سموه "عدم رجوع الحكومة الى المؤسسة التشريعية قبل اتخاذ قرار رفع المقاطعة", مشددين على "ضرورة التزام الحكومة التشاور مع البرلمان قبل اتخاذ قرارات مصيرية".

وتساءل النائب الثاني لرئيس المجلس عادل المعاودة ( سلفي ) "كيف تتخذ الحكومة قرارا كهذا دون الرجوع للسلطة التشريعية.. هل تمرر الحكومة قرارا كهذا ونحن صامتون"؟. واضاف "القضية ليست قضية انفتاح اقتصادي او سياسي بل قضية مبدأ والمبادىء لا تتغير".

وانتقد النائب محمد خالد ( اخوان مسلمون ) قرار الحكومة, مناشدا اياها ان "ترحم شعب البحرين"، واعلن النائب عبداللطيف الشيخ ( اخوان مسلمون ) ان الحكومة "وضعت نفسها في مأزق باتخاذها قرار رفع الحظر عن البضائع الاسرائيلية", مضيفا انها خالفت بقرارها قانونا ساريا منذ عام 1963.

ومن جهته, صرح وزير الخارجية البحريني الشيخ خالد بن احمد آل خليفة للصحافيين عقب الجلسة ان "القرار ليس تطبيعا مع اسرائيل", مضيفا انه "كان خطوة ضرورية لامرار اتفاق التجارة الحرة في الكونغرس الاميركي"، واضاف "الكونغرس الاميركي وضع رفع الحظر كشرط لامرار الاتفاق كنا امام خيار صعب وكانت الخطوة ضرورية عندما قمنا بموازنة الاولويات ومصلحة بلادنا وشعبنا". وتابع "لقد اغلقنا مكتبا ليس مسؤولا عن المقاطعة ولا يستطيع التأثير فيها, لكننا ملتزمون الموقف العربي من التطبيع مع اسرائيل".

ودافع وزير المال البحريني الشيخ احمد بن محمد آل خليفة عن قرار الحكومة, مشددا على ان "القرار تم اتخاذه للتعامل مع مستجدات طرأت في فترة لاحقة عقب توقيع اتفاق التجارة الحرة مع واشنطن"، واضاف "تركنا الخيار للمواطن لكي يقرر ما اذا كان سيتعامل مع اي بضاعة من اي دولة في العالم سواء اسرائيل او غيرها من المهم ان نعطي اقتصادنا قدرة تنافسية لاننا جزء من منظومة عالمية".

وكانت مملكة البحرين قررت اواخر ايلول/سبتمبر الفائت رفع الحظر عن البضائع الاسرائيلية الامر الذي يشكل مؤشرا الى تحسن العلاقات بين العالم العربي والاسلامي واسرائيل وذلك بعد انسحابها من قطاع غزة.

وصرح وزير الخارجية البحريني الشيخ محمد بن مبارك آل خليفة من نيويورك حيث كان يشارك في اجتماعات الجمعية العامة للامم المتحدة ان المنامة قررت رفع الحظر عن البضائع الاسرائيلية "لان ذلك احد شروط اتفاق التجارة الحرة مع الولايات المتحدة". لكنه نفى نية بلاده اقامة علاقات دبلوماسية مع اسرائيل, واكد "اننا ملتزمون القرارات العربية".

والبحرين التي تعتبر حليفا مقربا من الولايات المتحدة, هي مقر الاسطول الخامس الاميركي. وكان ولي عهدها الشيخ سلمان بن حمد ال خليفة التقى مسؤولين اسرائيليين في المنتدى الاقتصادي العالمي عامي 2000 و2003.

وستستضيف المنامة في نوفمبر/ تشرين الثاني المقبل مؤتمرا حول الاصلاح والديموقراطية في الشرق الاوسط بمشاركة الولايات المتحدة

Well they can be against it, but nothin will change, cause top priority is signing the FTA, which has so many requirements to get it ratified. Hopefully soon, in the few upcoming weeks or months, all will be clear.

This is nothin compared to what Qatar is doin. They're now payin to build a stadium in Israel (bani sakhnin which is the only arab-israeli team) to be known as doha stadium.

Well don't see how shoving the finger at Qatar really helps, the fact remains, sooner than later bahraini shops and malls might be stacked with goods that have hebrew writing on them. FTA or no FTA it goes against what many of us strongly believe in.

For the record, im for the FTA even if it means importing Isreali products.

As for Qatar building a football stadium. That is very right, we are building a football stadium and other sports facilities. I think its a good idea. We are building it for a town that is prodomintly arabic and for an arab team in israel. Hopefully they'll win the league. Today in news the mayor of this city, moh'd something and an arab govt member from israel both visited Qatar's olympic committe to discuss how the money would be used.

Thats interesting...Do u know in which town or city its being built in..!?

Well don't see how shoving the finger at Qatar really helps, the fact remains, sooner than later bahraini shops and malls might be stacked with goods that have hebrew writing on them. FTA or no FTA it goes against what many of us strongly believe in.

For the record, im for the FTA even if it means importing Isreali products.

As for Qatar building a football stadium. That is very right, we are building a football stadium and other sports facilities. I think its a good idea. We are building it for a town that is prodomintly arabic and for an arab team in israel. Hopefully they'll win the league. Today in news the mayor of this city, moh'd something and an arab govt member from israel both visited Qatar's olympic committe to discuss how the money would be used.

By mentioning Qatar, I meant to show that it's not a big deal as many people make it. Ban lifted, so what? But will the people or dealers really buy the products, that the question?

That's it really. And for the arabs of Israel, they deserve what Qatar is giving them, atleast they have somethin. At the end of the day, they're Arabs.

Why doesn't Qatar help Sudan or Yemen in the same kind?

at the end, this is a to strenghthen relations with israel. its not about Arabs or Sports!

About the ban being lifted, people should not draw a big deal out of it, this is free economy, supply and demand, the old rule. The FTA is the better of two..

I'm with peace. be it with Israel or any country which shows good well.

Sahnin is an arab town's team which has Israeli sponsors (mobile company etc) but doesnt have a good stadium to meet premier league regulations. the team is predominantly arab but also has jewish players and coach, and it won the Israel cup two years ago.

I think its a shame the govt. cant finance this and we have to have qatar donate this money.