And a MARINA!

Who wants to see, ah? Who want's to see!?:colgate:

me lol

Oh bloody hell... here we go again!!!
http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/daytrips/blackpool5.jpg

Twenty two tall buildings and a marina? Sounds like bloody Dubai!

Spit it out big boy :)

Not to mention numerous other plans and developments!

It's on it's way! Ok! :nuts:

Oooo jrb. I'm itching like a thousand rashy scrots!

Right ive gotta go out, so when i get back in , i expect to see plans for Crysler replica for Pomona :)

Good lord, what does "huge" mean in this?

Right ive gotta go out, so when i get back in , i expect to see plans for Crysler replica for Pomona :)
Bit short, no?

Sit back, relax and take half an hour out to read the amazing plans for the River Irwell and surrounding areas! :)

I count 4 huge towers and up to 18 midrises?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/kiopur.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/salford1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/mnvder.jpg

Click on (URBAN RIVER REGENERATION IN MANCHESTER TRANSFORMING THE ‘DARK ...) pdf

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=manchester+proposed+developments&hl=en&lr=&start=20&sa=N

Good lord, what does "huge" mean in this?
Remember, this is jrb. If it was over 150m it would have more than just one exclamation mark.

Actually, what are the odds that this is a Dubai development which jrb has mistaken for a Manchester one?

'40 storey Ancoats Tower' anyone? ;)




(Only joking! :jk: )

wow!

Remember, this is jrb. If it was over 150m it would have more than just one exclamation mark.

Actually, what are the odds that this is a Dubai development which jrb has mistaken for a Manchester one?

'40 storey Ancoats Tower' anyone?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/salford1.jpg

Is that not the Chester Road dual carriage way to OT and a rendering looking extremely like Pamona!? :)

Heights any one?

I was joking jrb!

http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=382000&Y=397000&width=500&height=300&gride=383644.989318394&gridn=398090.875427686&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=freegaz&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=0&scale=25000&multimap.x=281&multimap.y=165

Looks like the taller tower will be where the present Cornbrook Road crosses that little bit of canal, which I'm sure doesn't actually exist.

I would say 30-40 for the smaller towers and 50-60 for the tallest?

That PDF document looks increadibly wishy-washy to me. Kind of like what some low budget think tank would produce. Doesn't even have proper conclusions at the end.

jrb which link on that google page am I supposed to click?

Photo of the proposed site
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/4255ExchangeQuay_pic7.jpg

Panorama taken a couple of weeks ago, Pomona on the right:
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/826ManchesterSkyline_pic1.jpg

its ok ive found it

That PDF document looks increadibly wishy-washy to me. Kind of like what some low budget think tank would produce. Doesn't even have proper conclusions at the end.

Weastedevil! Thats no budget think tank! LOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.merseybasin.org.uk/

Fith one down Roly!

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=manchester+proposed+developments&hl=en&lr=&start=20&sa=N

URBAN RIVER REGENERATION IN MANCHESTER TRANSFORMING THE ‘DARK ...

That PDF document looks increadibly wishy-washy to me. Kind of like what some low budget think tank would produce. Doesn't even have proper conclusions at the end.

Yeah I was thinking the same. But still, some kind of high density masterplan must be in place for the area. Skyscrapers are inevitable here.

I thought Peel had concrete plans to build those four (or was it five?) small boat shaped towers here?

I thought Peel had concrete plans to build those four (or was it five?) small boat shaped towers here?
Yeah, I wonder what happened to them. Arnt there hoardings on the site for them?

Yeah I was thinking the same. But still, some kind of high density masterplan must be in place for the area. Skyscrapers are inevitable here.

One things for certain! Mersey Basin did'nt knock up that rendering!

Weastedevil! Thats no budget think tank! LOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.merseybasin.org.uk/

I know that, but why are they talking about walkways and things like that? Do they have reponsibility for the River Irwell? And aren't Salford Council already planning stuff to do with the river on their side? So why is this organisations repeating certain aspects of that work?

That's not going to take up the whole dock though WD, nowhere near. (The existing plans)

Well I'm exited by it if no one else is, the potential round there is staggering.

I know that, but why are they talking about walkways and things like that? Do they have reponsibility for the River Irwell? And aren't Salford Council already planning stuff to do with the river on their side? So why is this organisations repeating certain aspects of that work?
Who we are


The Mersey Basin Campaign is unique in the UK and recognised worldwide as a leading example for the transformation of waters and watersides.

We are a partnership that is backed by the UK government through the sponsorship of the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister, John Prescott. We are also supported by businesses, local authorities and public agencies.

Our history

The Campaign was established in 1985 in the wake of the Toxteth riots in Liverpool. Michael Heseltine, then Environment Minister in Margaret Thatcher’s Conservative government, was the driving force behind its creation. At the time, he spoke of the River Mersey as “a disgrace to a civilised society.”

http://www.merseybasin.org.uk/page.asp?id=2795

The Campaign was given an initial 25 year life and has since been actively supported by both Conservative and Labour governments.

:laugh: People riot in Toxteth, so they talk about skyscrapers in Manc!

These towers are pretty much visionary right now though. Years and years away.

The land seriously does need something done with it, as will the Colgate site (I'm supposing that they are still moving out?).

Well?

Where would Mersey Basin get that rendering from then?

If it wasn't a serious proposal(early stages), do you think they would include it in their PDF?

No one is saying all that will be built, but it clearly gives a vision of what the Pamona site could look like in the future!

A couple of phone calls are needed mi thinks!

Interesting reading all the same.

Haven't they just plocked Dock 9 onto Ponoma (still a great name despite being merely a derelict landfill site).

And George Bush is getting involved also - whoopy whoo.
http://www.merseybasin.org.uk/pictures/malcolm%20bower_top.jpg

This is about as concrete as a wibbly wobbly rhasberry jelly. Sorry jrb. Merseybasin are not developers although they seem to work alongside developers to promote best practice and ensuring waterways are exploited to maximum benefit.

Whether a developer has any aspirations to build big at Pomona is neither here nor there. They probably do, as they probably did 5 years ago. That a highly conceptual looking render has surfaced does not mean a proposal is any nearer to being brought forward.

Its interesting none the less and thanks for posting it but Im not getting excited about this just yet.... or any time within the next 5 years!! (Will gladly eat humble pie if Im proved incorrect!).

Would be good if it came off ;) .... never knew there was a place called pomona in Manchester until this thread came along.

I thought Peel had concrete plans to build those four (or was it five?) small boat shaped towers here?


I seem to remember that and the pictures


reference: 05/50478/ART10
Decision Level: DEL
Applicant name: Peel Holdings Ltd
Ward:
Grid Reference: 375254 398256
Case Officer: Simon Plowman
Telephone: 0161 793 3766
Location: Pomona Docks Pomona Strand Off Bridgewater Way Old Trafford (Article 10)
Proposal: Article 10 Consultation recieved from Trafford Metropolitan Borough Council in respect of a planning application for the erection of a residential development comprising 5 linked blocks (varying from 8 to 16 storeys height) to provide 546 apartments with ancillary car parking, landscaping and amenity areas
Submit comments on this application


Maybe peel have changed their mind.

I know its not Pomona, but still Irwell based.

Is anything planned for this large site just north-west of Tempus, but on the Salford side of the Irwell?

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/mezmail/IMGP0404.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/mezmail/irwell2copy.jpg

Any ideas on what a waterside site like this should be used for too?

The question still stands!

Where would Mersey Basin get a rendering like that?

(Even if it is conceptual, the fact that this rendering includes four towers and has been released via Mersey Basin, is in itself somthing to get excited about!)

Very intesting , good find jrb,,,Pomona as got fantastic potential, and this would link the Quays and the city centre.

Mez,, im not totally sure ,but in think Urban Splash own that land your on about

The only other design we've seen for Pomona!

This design has been around for years, but has never seen the light of day!

Slightly different don't you think?!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/mvjutpouyiy.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/salford1.jpg

Pomona strand was featured in Estates gazette earlier this year, think they said a 2005 start - though I aint sure about the start date being mentioned - might just be my head.

top find though fella...I was mooching roung pomona last week - wondering what would become of the site.

I know its not Pomona, but still Irwell based.

Is anything planned for this large site just north-west of Tempus, but on the Salford side of the Irwell?

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/mezmail/IMGP0404.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/mezmail/irwell2copy.jpg

Any ideas on what a waterside site like this should be used for too?

That site is part of the beach development I think.


''This design has been around for years, but has never seen the light of day!''

Jrb, that design has been been submitted to Trafford.

That site is part of the beach development I think.


''This design has been around for years, but has never seen the light of day!''

Jrb, that design has been been submitted to Trafford.

Cheers Man Med!

Indeed Caw!

However, I was told the designs were still being worked on! So hopefully this won't be the final design?

they are very Fairhurst in design aint they. maybe in the next 10 years will be seeing sumthing like these going up, though with Dock 9 aswell it seems to much - we'll see, eh.

It would be great to see something of that scale on Pomona and over the other side of the Ship Canal in Orsall too but we are talking years and years down the line. I would prefer to see a more cohesive city-type environment here rather than a Salford Quays style collection of "landmark" buildings cobbled together. A proper street network and something that gives more to the pedestrian.

Also I would like to see a section of the Pomona strand or Ordsall given over to something special or unique - something that adds something new to the city's offer that will draw people in. Answers on a postcard please.... Clearly also, the architecture needs to be of the highest order here too.



Personally Id much prefer that developers and the authorities made a concerted effort to sorting out the whole Piccadilly and Market Street area before developing these outlying sites.

how about making the area into an city park, linking the quays and the city centre?

It would be great to see something of that scale on Pomona and over the other side of the Ship Canal in Orsall too but we are talking years and years down the line. I would prefer to see a more cohesive city-type environment here rather than a Salford Quays style collection of "landmark" buildings cobbled together. A proper street network and something that gives more to the pedestrian.

Also I would like to see a section of the Pomona strand or Ordsall given over to something special or unique - something that adds something new to the city's offer that will draw people in. Answers on a postcard please.... Clearly also, the architecture needs to be of the highest order here too.


Surly a marina for the Pomona site would be a start and a good idea?

Personally Id much prefer that developers and the authorities made a concerted effort to sorting out the whole Piccadilly and Market Street area before developing these outlying sites.

They have done Sleepy!

You won't see any major refurbishment on Market Street for years! Same goes for Piccadilly, except the Plaza! Unfortunately its done an dusted my friend!

Nah, Piccadilly still has some rather well endowed tricks up it's sleeve. Far from finished. I reckon so anyway.

Nah, Piccadilly still has some rather well endowed tricks up it's sleeve. Far from finished. I reckon so anyway.


If you mean the Basin, correct! But Piccadilly Gardens and Market street are dune and dusted!

To be honest, the street furniture, paving and trees on Market Street are fine!
It's just the food court, which will always be there and that hideous shop next to the Arndale entrance!

Wow. Sounds great.

Huh, might have known SleepyOne would be pissed off about it!

In what way is he pissed about it? :?

If you mean the Basin, correct! But Piccadilly Gardens and Market street are dune and dusted!

To be honest, the street furniture, paving and trees on Market Street are fine!
It's just the food court, which will always be there and that hideous shop next to the Arndale entrance!

What do you mean by "done and dusted"? Do you think that the state of Piccadilly and Market Street are acceptable? Do they reflect this international image that the council is so desperate to project? No. Thats why in an ideal world - if there was a choice - I would prefer the public and private sector to come together to address these problematic areas in a really ambitious and visionary way before embarking on developing a prime brownfield plot such as Pomona.

A simple reclad of the Arndale a below par landscaping scheme and a poorly designed office block do not make for sustainable regeneration in my view. Not a day goes by when I dont wish that the Arndale could be broken up and open out to connect with the surrounding street network. Not a day goes by without me thinking how much better Market St would be without that dreadful 'Foodchain' bridge. It is the physical and phsycological barrier between the good and the poor parts of our city centre.

When I mention Piccadilly - its not just the usual suspects of the Plaza, the Gardens Gateway House etc its the whole basin area stretching from Dale St to the Mancunian way which would benefit enormously from similar long term masterplanning of the likes we have seen for Pomona.

That said Im all for an ambitious development on Pomona (as long as it incorporates well designed public space, walkways and streets) and a real mix of uses including some kind of attraction to draw people in. I just hope we dont forget our city's core which is in dire need of the same kind of attention.

caw: In what way? I'm not sure. But IMHO he's changing the subject away from jrb's exciting news and using something unrelated to carp and caveat.

caw: In what way? I'm not sure. But IMHO he's changing the subject away from jrb's exciting news and using something unrelated to carp and caveat.

Whoa whoa. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Exciting news? As much as I appreciate this find, at the end of the day it boils down to a dodgy looking massing render. I'm not getting wet over it quite yet. Whatever gets built will likely look totally different.

Sleepyone actually raised a good point!

Btw, have we considered that the majority of the Pomona strand in Trafford land? Conservative, anti-progress Trafford.

You should read the PDF caw. It's good.

A number of key stakeholders are involved in the development of this regeneration vision. These include Manchester, Salford and Trafford councils, Manchester Ship Canal Company, Environment Agency, Mersey Basin Campaign, local businesses, landowners, community groups and the wider Manchester, Salford and Trafford communities. It has been recognised as imperative to engage and consult all stakeholders through a continuous process of involvement, ensuring the regeneration vision compliments and builds upon strategies and local objectives combined with the needs of the local community. The vision to create a linear, harmonised, vibrant and attractive waterfront involves:

• Boats, marinas and water based activities to reclaim the riverside heritage of the Irwell
• Integrating travel by water with the transport network
• Increasing waterside access and security
• Creating opportunities for tourism, leisure and recreation centred around the river
• Improving water quality for recreation and leisure use
• Enhancing terrestrial and aquatic ecology
• Using the river theme to unify buildings and developments...

To be fair, I'd imagine those groups would be discussing what to do with it anyway. Its no achievement for the councils to feel concerned about a large piece of land like that. And some local businesses are always gonna be interested in it.
It's a blunt discription of what 'might' get done at 'some' point in the future.
Looks nice and all though.

They should somehow get more water flowing down the Irwell so all the yuppies at Salford uni can be gondoliered in the mornings.

It's something that could easily fail to materialise. That's why it's not worth getting excited over just yet. Give it a couple of years, maybe something will be properly in the works but I wouldn't expect anything in the short term.

Honestly, the wheels on this huge skyscraper-building bandwagon in Manc and Salford seem to be so well-oiled the whole fucking thing is now careering out of control, seriously. All I can say at this point is bagsy the first to start pointing and laughing when the wheels start to come off and the whole bandwagon begins to wobble precariously before crashing into a very deep ditch when half of these ridiculously overambitious schemes ger curtailed one by one due to the inevitable backlash - whenever that happens.

I'm sorry, but there comes a point where there has to be a limit to all this insanity. There is absolutely no way that Manchester and Salford between them will have some 50+ high-rise buildings/structures of 150 metres or more in the next 20-25 years. London hasn't even got that many planned for fucks sakes. Forget Dubai. We're almost talking fucking Hong Kong here. No way! It's just not feasible.

No one has said Manc and Salford will have 80+, 150 meter buildings. I recon theres a max of 30. Most of these buildings we've see, wont happen.

No one has said Manc and Salford will have 80+, 150 meter buildings. I recon theres a max of 30. Most of these buildings we've see, wont happen.


Read my post again! It clearly says 50+ not 80!!! :baaa:

It fucking said 80+, you've changed it you cheeky bugger.

Martin G: Honestly, the wheels on this huge skyscraper-building bandwagon in Manc and Salford seem to be so well-oiled the whole fucking thing is now careering out of control, seriously. Got a problem with skyscrapers Martin? Something you'd care to share?

It was him that first knew of Beetham and Eastgate. He's got fuck all against them. So stop.

Got a problem with skyscrapers Martin? Something you'd care to share?


:rofl: :rofl: oh deary, deary me. :stupid:

see dgnr8's comment below yours - he talks sense he does! :yes:

where do you work martin?

he's the caretaker of the park with no trees in scumville............dumb ass.

It really is time to leave.

Can I come with you? I can't be bothered anymore either.

I'm sorry, but there comes a point where there has to be a limit to all this insanity. There is absolutely no way that Manchester and Salford between them will have some 50+ high-rise buildings/structures of 150 metres or more in the next 20-25 years. London hasn't even got that many planned for fucks sakes. Forget Dubai. We're almost talking fucking Hong Kong here. No way! It's just not feasible.

50+? Who has even hinted that Manchester will have anywhere close to this number?

All we've got planned over 150m is Eastgate, probably 1 Hardman Square, possibly a tower at Dock 9, possibly a tower at Greengate, plus Beetham. Pretty modest in comparison to the cities you seen to have pulled out of the bag like the MEN on a sensationalist E trip. :weirdo:

WTF??? 50+ 150m highrises in Manchester???

You have 1 U/C and 2 approved/proposed, and somehow that means you'll have 50 by 2025-30???

I think some people are living in fantasy land when it comes to Manchester and high rises!

Realistically by 2010 we will have 2 skyscrapers built - the Beetham Hilton and Eastgate towers. Then around 2011 the Hardman Square will be up. By 2020 maybe another 2 or 3 skyscrapers. So in total by 2020 Manchester/Salford will have around 5 or 6 skyscrapers (ie. 150m and more).

What's interesting is the number of 100m - 150m towers that will go up. The skyline will get denser and denser and will look quite amazing in 10 years time. :)

No real high rise here I feel - mainly mid rise. This part of Manchester has loads of potential. Was off the map for years - most people in the 80s would not have known where it was unless they wanted to dump a sofa or something more sinister. Definitely a place to avoid. There was at one time a large jet plane parked there (!) yeah honestly - think it was a restaurant or something.
Pomona Docks as they were once called were built on the site of Pomona Gardens which was a rare green lung in Victorian Mcr. The docks were never really that successful as they could only take smaller ships and they had further to go- through the Trafford Road Swing Bridge as it was then. I remember seeing a ship there in the mid 80s - think it was being loading with cable. Could've been the last one in there. But even then some short sighted knobhead had decided that a few quid could be made by in-filling some of the docks with rubble - all with official approval - no not a wind up.
I see this area from the air frequently - most recently today and there's only about one and a bit docks left. I think there used to be three.
Any developer coming in will probably see the sense in re-excavating the docks to increase the waterside frontage of the area and therefore enhancing its value.
Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig job though and might delay something happening here for some time.
By the way Mersey Partnership just a talking shop, think tank quango. They don't and won't build anything - developers do that. They can however encourage developers through policies and incentives.

@Looking up.
I recall that you are a developer. Anything mentioned on this forum?

@Looking up.
I recall that you are a developer. Anything mentioned on this forum?

No.
Done stuff in London. Now concentrating on Central Europe and Russia.
Could be persuaded to do something in Manchester - head says 'still need to be convinced about the long term market' - heart says 'yes' .
Am worried about my 'romantic attachment' to Manchester clouding my judgement.
My personal benchmark is Eastgate - if that gets built, I'm going to have a proper butchers.
Trouble is, there are plenty of 'no-brainers' to develop in other countries.

Any news on this development yet? they should demolish Adamson House what a waste that building is with all the potential that site has!

:ohno:

Will you effing well stop digging up old threads for no reason?

If there was any bleeding news, then the thread would not have stopped where it did, or there would be a newer one.

Yeah I was just about to say the same!

Leave him alone you miserable old sods - he is new on here.
Give him a break.

Leave him alone you miserable old sods - he is new on here.
Give him a break.

Thanks Longford for your support, the rest of you can go forth! just interested thats all! but i will never ask again, if this is the way you treat newbies then it's a wonder this site hasn't died!

very sorry for showing an interest! :deadthrea

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y88/jcg/PICT2531.jpg

Couldn't find the thread. Meh. Nice to see the Pomona development has been actively marketed at MIPIM. I thought it was dead as a duck, and then up pop the renders and a claim it's just been approved!

Aye, I spotted that too, but forgot to mention it, should be good if they start soon!

well, here they are, approved long ago
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/searchresults.php?nameAddress=pomona&postcode=&council=&county=&region=&country=&status=&buildinguse=&completiondate=&heritagestatus=&roofheight=&spireheight=&eitherHeight=&floors=&landcost=&constructioncost=&lastsalesvalue=&companies=

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/MIPIM555.jpg

Chapeltown Street. Forgot about this one to be honest.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=5440

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/MIPIM555.jpg

Wheres that artical from?

Yesterday's MIPIM review in the MEN.

ta

ta......looks good:banana: