The West bitches about Quebec which bitches about Canada which bitches about Ontario etc.........

I think one of the problems with Canada is that we have two provinces with so much weight but at the same time these cities do not share a lot in common with their respective provinces.

Toronto is a TOTALLY different world from S/W or North or East. It in many ways doesn't even have a lot incommon with the rest of the GoldenHorshoe.
Different social makeups, economies, problems, needs etc.
There is a movement to transfer Toronto into a province, what do you think and where would the boundary be?

Montreal is the same in regards to Quebec. As much as the Separatists like to claim "Quebec" is not the same everywhere you are in the province.
Montreal is a decidedly urban, cosmopolitan metroplis, with many different ethnic, language, and social interactions.
The rest of Quebec, with the exception of the north natives, is very white, parochial, unilingual, and far removed from not only the rest of Canada but in many ways Montreal. QuebecCity is not only the political capitol of french Quebec but its heart and soul, Montreal is not. In all referendums the vote for separatism has always been over 60% {except Hull} and no more than 40% in Montreal. Different ethnicities and races are none existenet in Quebec outside of Montreal.


Is it, like Toronto, time they became masters in their own destinies by being their own provinces. It is in the Constitution that it is actually incredibly easy to do if the support is there.

I have lived in Vancouver for 12 years but I don't feel there is that real aliention between BC and Vancouver.

Oh boy. Canada is fine. LEAVE IT! You dont hear about New York City, LA or Chicago doing any of that, and do you think NYC and NYS have much in comon?

Not the same.
First, the US has the 3 biggest cities in totally different areas. NYC.East, Chicago.central, L.A.West. The tree of their metros combined equals 50million or 18% of the population. Metro Tor/Mon 10million or one third the population.
Also Ontario and Quebec totally control the national agenda. BC & Alberta are just also-rans. Ottawa is also in Ontario.
Toronto is downtown Canada in the english speaking provinces. It controls the economy, media {TV and newspaper}, politics, nothing is even discussed in english Canada if it is not OKed by Toronto.

Personally I think Montreal and Toronto should become their own provinces or territories . It would also be ghoog for the rest of the country helping spread the poulations of all the provinces more equally.

Its stupid idea that will never happen and wouldn't change everything. Also Western Alienation seems to be a thing of the past, as much as I hate the Liberal's I think Paul Martin is doing a pretty good job in respect to being fair to all the provinces.

As much as Toronto would like to think it controles the economy it doesn't, if BC, Quebec or Alberta seperated it would be a big hit to Canada's economy. Canada has pretty good media spread, Toronto (CTV News and The Nationl) hosts two national news casts and so does Vancouver (Global National & Canada Now).

"Toronto is downtown Canada in the english speaking provinces. It controls the economy, media {TV and newspaper}, politics,..." pfft, Toronto doesn't control politics.

Greater Toronto definitely, but I'm not sure about Montréal. Ontario would never allow it, and Québec would be even more fervently against it.

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Thats one of my points.
If at some point it really does look like Quebec is finally going to go then maybe the WestIsland/Hull would want to create their own province while the getting is good.

NEVER!

Theres really no point to that. It would just create more problems than it's worth and further de-centralize the federation. Less emphasis should be placed on the provinces anyways, a more unitary state is the way to go.

never.

I don't agree with the idea but... power to the provinces! The more centralized this nation is the more it falls apart!

And Paul Martin is an ass who hasn't done a thing to solve Western Alienation. He continues to make side deals with Quebec instead of just giving back to all the provinces equally.

I have no problems with Quebec getting power back from the Federal government, I have a problem that every province doesn't get the same.

I think this country would just fall apart.

I don't think it is really needed for Montreal. It might even benefit for Toronto considering the lack of funding TO gets from the feds, but the country of Canada will never allow it to happen.

Personally , Id like to see all the provinces devided in half , at the half way mark from north to South. You would have more money for each indavidual ( smaller ) province , and there would be more of a feeling of controling your own Destany . For instance , Calgary would be Capital of Southern Alberta ( or what ever they would name it ) . Prince George Capital of Northern BC , or NEW Calidonia . etc. What does everyone else think of that little idea???

Not the same.
First, the US has the 3 biggest cities in totally different areas. NYC.East, Chicago.central, L.A.West. The tree of their metros combined equals 50million or 18% of the population. Metro Tor/Mon 10million or one third the population.
Also Ontario and Quebec totally control the national agenda. BC & Alberta are just also-rans. Ottawa is also in Ontario.
Toronto is downtown Canada in the english speaking provinces. It controls the economy, media {TV and newspaper}, politics, nothing is even discussed in english Canada if it is not OKed by Toronto.

Personally I think Montreal and Toronto should become their own provinces or territories . It would also be ghoog for the rest of the country helping spread the poulations of all the provinces more equally.

Right.... where to begin?

Here is a few questions that might make some people re-evaluate this statement.

1) Which province pays out to Ottawa the most?

A) Ontario with over $23 billion a year, and Alberta has a higher per capita rate.

2) Which province get's the least back from the federal government?

A) On a per capita basis, it would be Alberta but Ontario would be next.

3) Does the head office capitol of a nation mean that a single city makes all of the policy and opinions of a country?

A) Certainly not, to think otherwise would be foolish. If it were true, Toronto and Ontario would not be paying into the Fed Govt as much as they are now.

To think that the national media is controlled by Toronto because many of the headquaters are in Toronto is equally laughable.

It would be pompus and silly to think that people in Canada outside Toronto cannot form their own opinions or political programs. Government health insurance was not brought about in Toronto. Think of all the other great things that have arisin in Canada outside of Toronto.

4) Does proximity to the Federal Capitol give people a leg up?

A) Ottawa's presence in Ontario as well as proximity to the GH when compared with the west has little relevence to Ontario and the GH inparticular. Refer to the answers to 1) and 2) for my reasoning.


Changing provinces borders will not effect electorate seating in Ottawa so I fail to see the entire reasoning of this thread all together.

This has to be the silliest post on this forum that I have seen in the last 2 years.

Personally , Id like to see all the provinces devided in half , at the half way mark from north to South. You would have more money for each indavidual ( smaller ) province , and there would be more of a feeling of controling your own Destany . For instance , Calgary would be Capital of Southern Alberta ( or what ever they would name it ) . Prince George Capital of Northern BC , or NEW Calidonia . etc. What does everyone else think of that little idea???

I do not think it would be a good idea... look at Ontario for example.. if it were to seperate into two halves Northern ontario would lose its population and Southern Ontario would lose all its natural resources. I don't think we should be talking about seperating Canada into even smaller categories or risk making each other feel more alienated from one another.

Canada is ONE and INDIVISIBLE.

your right on quite a few provinces that would have negitive affects , maybe just BC and alberta then.

I for one prefer consolidation of provinces to slim down the bureaucracy. Alberta-Sasketchewan-Manitoba could be a super-province. Maybe North Ontario could join Manitoba. The Maritimes could also consolidate their government resources, and operate in a style of government that's similiar to Metro Toronto.

I think we should let Queens Park become a province. We can lift it out of the province and dump it into the ocean! With McQuinty inside!!

Toronto will only be it's won province if NWO seperates, and apparetnly, that's never going to happen.

Sorry.