View Full Version : Ontario Deficit shrinking fast


addisonwesley
September 27th, 2005, 01:36 PM
By KAREN HOWLETT
Tuesday, September 27, 2005 Posted at 4:49 AM EDT
From Tuesday's Globe and Mail

The Ontario government is a lot closer to fulfilling its promise to balance the province's books by 2009 with the surprising revelation that the deficit shrank to $1.6-billion in the most recent fiscal year.

This is well below Finance Minister Greg Sorbara's two most recent forecasts. In the budget tabled last May, he said the deficit for the fiscal year that ended March 31 would come in at $3-billion. Two months before that, he pegged it at $6-billion.

An official in the Finance Ministry attributed the dramatic improvement to higher revenue from corporate taxes and better management of the province's finances.

“I think this shows that our plan is working and that we are taking a balanced and responsible approach to eliminating the deficit while continuing to make essential investments in education, health and the economy,” Sean Hamilton, a spokesman for Mr. Sorbara, said last night.

The ministry will release more details on the ever-shrinking deficit today when it publishes the public accounts for the fiscal year 2004-2005. But opposition members were quick to criticize the government's oft-changing financial projections and “accounting tricks.”

In his latest pronouncement on the deficit last May, Mr. Sorbara said the Liberal government would break a campaign promise to balance the books by the fiscal year 2007-2008. He said the government would need an extra year.

The Finance Minister could find himself revising that timetable yet again. At the same time, however, there is no guarantee that the province's corporate sector will perform as well as it did last year.

In the past several months, Ontario politicians have painted their province as financially troubled. Premier Dalton McGuinty has been waging a campaign for a fairer financial deal from Ottawa since last February. He has said that the gap between what Ontarians pay in taxes to the federal government and what they get back in programs and services has swelled to $23-billion from $2-billion in 1995.

As well, Mr. Sorbara said last week that the government is closely monitoring the toll that skyrocketing oil prices and a rise in the value of the Canadian dollar are taking on the province's economy.

Higher oil prices, now more than $65 (U.S.) a barrel, raise the cost of doing business in Ontario and reduce disposable income for consumers. The higher dollar, now trading at more than 85 cents (U.S.), makes Ontario's products more expensive on international markets.

Mr. Sorbara has been conservative about the province's prospects for some time. He estimated in the budget that the economy would grow 2 per cent this year — a figure now in line with private-sector forecasters, who recently lowered their growth estimates.

“We think we're still on target, but we had budgeted on the basis of oil at $50 a barrel,” Mr. Sorbara told reporters last week in Kitchener, Ont., at the Liberal party's annual caucus retreat.

New Democrat Leader Howard Hampton said he is not surprised that the deficit is well below the government's estimate. He said the province has more revenue simply because it has not kept a promise to increase rates for social assistance and it is forcing municipalities to pick up more costs.

“You can very quickly find the money by taking it out on someone else, in this case municipalities and the poorest people in the province,” Mr. Hampton said in an interview. He said he expects more “accounting tricks.”

Progressive Conservative finance critic Tim Hudak said Mr. McGuinty's government has published four different financial plans since it assumed office two years ago. None has proved to be accurate, he said.

“In fact, the Liberal budget should go directly to the fiction section of your local library,” he said. The Liberals consistently miss their targets by spending more than they said they would and by raking in greater revenue from taxpayers, he added.

GOD DAMNIT, WRONG FORUM.

Jackhammer
September 27th, 2005, 03:06 PM
No matter how you look at the numbers, its still deficit spending. Tell me they are reducing the debt and I'l be happy.

lcohen999
September 27th, 2005, 04:13 PM
i'm sure somehow they will have big news about the deficit during election time... :runaway:

Jaye101
September 27th, 2005, 10:17 PM
Wait, they got it from 5 to 1.6 billion?

Lucky 24
September 27th, 2005, 10:27 PM
I merged the Toronto section copy into this thread. Sorry if it seems harsh, but I want to keep things organized and not have duplicate threads floating around....every little bit keeps the forums running that much faster.

partybits
September 28th, 2005, 03:46 AM
No matter how you look at the numbers, its still deficit spending. Tell me they are reducing the debt and I'l be happy.

While we all would be happy to have no deficit, you have to be realistic. Gov'ts can't turn around deficits within one fiscal year. If it can be done in 4yrs, that is an impressive turnover. Did'nt Chretien/Martin take 3yrs to get rid of their inherited deficits?

ssiguy2
September 28th, 2005, 04:26 AM
I can appreciate that but most governments do the same thing.
They tell you how bad the deficit will be and the poof............it lower than they forcast becuase they knew it wouldn't be that high in the first place.
All of asunden they look like such good stewards of the economy. Oldest trick in the book.

Jaybird
September 28th, 2005, 10:23 PM
The Ontario government must be doing something right.

heckles
December 19th, 2005, 01:28 AM
Its good they got it down to $1.6 billion. For all the issues McGuinty has pulled back on, its good to see good financial management coming from the provincial Liberals in Ontario. Seems like the decent federal management isn't limited to the federal party.

algonquin
December 19th, 2005, 02:45 AM
Now if we could do something about our hydro deficit we'll be back on track.

mucciared
December 19th, 2005, 05:50 AM
i know there is a difference between the defecit and debt, but does anyone know what Canada's debt is??

rt_0891
December 19th, 2005, 07:43 AM
i know there is a difference between the defecit and debt, but does anyone know what Canada's debt is??

You mean the federal government or public debt in total for the whole country?

The federal government right now is $499.9 billion.

http://www.fin.gc.ca/news05/05-083e.html

vid
December 19th, 2005, 01:49 PM
If they get a surplus, will they finally start fixing the problems of the north?!

Oh, I'm somewhat excited, but not really because they'll prolly break this promise too! :D

systematica
December 19th, 2005, 04:42 PM
You might find this link interesting:

Canadian Tax and Debt Clock (http://www.ndir.com/SI/education/debt.shtml)

Vasya Pupkin
December 19th, 2005, 05:12 PM
These are meaningless figures which politicians use to try to convince people that they are doing a good job. Trust me, you will not notice a difference in your standard of living. I have not noticed any in mine in the last 10 years at least despite the economy allegedly going up and down.

zerokarma
December 19th, 2005, 05:44 PM
2009 wasn't the original "promised" date to balance it.

samsonyuen
December 20th, 2005, 03:23 PM
Great news!

NEWUSER
December 28th, 2005, 04:58 AM
Good news.. I think..

You are to blame
December 28th, 2005, 08:14 AM
You might find this link interesting:

Canadian Tax and Debt Clock (http://www.ndir.com/SI/education/debt.shtml)

it's good to see the debt continue to fall on the clock. From the clock it looks like the debt is falling by -$80/sec. A % debt to GDP clock would've been cool, as that is getting smaller at a much faster rate.

zerokarma
December 28th, 2005, 04:40 PM
I don't think the Federal/Provincal/Municipal debts should be all combined into one clock like that, its kind of misleading and I question its accuracy. It should be seperated by level of government.