Give us some of the newest pictures you've found of Sarajevo before the war.

Here is one that Mlasak had posted....

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/6418/sarajevo2a7yj.jpg

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Do you guys think that the Bars. tiled roofs should be replaced with new one?

E to su bila vremena... Sarajevo je tada bilo najjači grad cele zemlje...

Da smo stvorili Jugoslaviju onda kada su Francuzi imali revoluciju, i kada su Nemci i Italijani ujedinjavali svoje zemlje, bili bismo još uvek Jugoslavija i jedna od najjačih zemalja u Evropi...

Al jebga, balkanska je psiha to! A i nekome to ne odgovara, a sada je već kasno za to...

Sarajevo before the war looks really nice!!!

I still cant believe that in the middle of Europe(civilization) happened a war and nobody really cared or did anything about it. And i still dont get it, how unreasonable and stupid some people can be.

Sarajevo before the war looks really nice!!!

I still cant believe that in the middle of Europe(civilization) happened a war and nobody really cared or did anything about it. And i still dont get it, how unreasonable and stupid some people can be.


Sometimes I think that Sarajevo looks better now than before...

Behold, current Sarajevo:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/TimurTaljanovic/Sarajevo031.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/TimurTaljanovic/Sarajevo001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/TimurTaljanovic/Sarajevo003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/TimurTaljanovic/Sarajevo009.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/TimurTaljanovic/Sarajevo010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/TimurTaljanovic/Sarajevo042.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/TimurTaljanovic/Sarajevo043.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/TimurTaljanovic/Sarajevo013.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/TimurTaljanovic/Sarajevo012.jpg

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I think the city looks much better now than it did before the war. Everything has been rebuilt and renovated. It's like comparing Dubrovnik today with the city as it was before the war.

You lose a lot, you truly do - especially for those who were a part of it and knew the dirty fascades and the crumbing sidewalks...and loved them, but, in the end...it looks cleaner, better, and newer - because it is.

It's great to see that Sarajevo has recovered from the war. I wish best of luck to the city's future.

well my image of SA before the war is fuzzy but my image of SA now is like when you wake up in the morning and your girl next to you still sleeping and the first ray of sun of the day iluminates her face..... yeah something like that.

Sometimes I think that Sarajevo looks better now than before...

I understand your question, since you're even younger than me and you didn't have enough time to feel Sarajevan spirit™ before war, but back than Sarajevo wasn't pretty and famous becoase it has some pretty buildings, it was famous becoase of Sarajlije.

Sarajevo from the outside looks picture perfect, the Churches and Mosques still stand together, Bascarsija looks better than ever, New High rises..... But We still don't have the same feeling of "Brotherhood and Unity" as we did before. You can't change the fact Sarajevo is no longer the same city it was before the war... Sadly that is how all of Bosnia and Herzegovina has become.

I absolutely agree with you. Sarajevo is still there, you can see it, but you can't feel it anymore.

It's like comparing Dubrovnik today with the city as it was before the war.

Dubrovnik and Sarajevo are two compleatly diffrent cities, and comparation you made is inapropriate.

I know I said it in my previous post, but I'll say it again, Sarajevo was't (like Dubrovnik) famous becoase of it's material beauty, it was famous by it's people, all Sarajevan nations, who together, as a result, made that Sarajevan beauty.

You can still go to Sarajevo and see for example Vijećnica, Saborna, or Beg's mosque, and those are pretty, but...let me express myself like my profesor Ivan - those buildings are suffering, they miss Sarajlije. Some other people (from Sandžak for example) are passing next to those buildings, some other people are walking through city's streets and sitting in Sarajevan cafe's...

Dubrovnik and Sarajevo are two compleatly diffrent cities, and comparation you made is inapropriate.

It didn't compare the two cities, Saray. :) I compared each to its pre-war self without any suggestion at all that Sarajevo and Dubrovnik are similar.

I know I said it in my previous post, but I'll say it again, Sarajevo was't (like Dubrovnik) famous becoase of it's material beauty, it was famous by it's people, all Sarajevan nations, who together, as a result, made that Sarajevan beauty.

Sarajevo was very much famous for its material beauty. The Vijecnica, Bascarsija, and above all else the natural surroundings.

You can still go to Sarajevo and see for example Vijećnica, Saborna, or Beg's mosque, and those are pretty, but...let me express myself like my profesor Ivan - those buildings are suffering, they miss Sarajlije. Some other people (from Sandžak for example) are passing next to those buildings, some other people are walking through city's streets and sitting in Sarajevan cafe's...

Which is true for more or less the entire Republika Srpska as well. :)

Mimica, do you have more of the pre-war photos of Sarajevo or is there a website we can all take a look, thanx...

Sarajevo was't (like Dubrovnik) famous becoase of it's material beauty, it was famous by it's people, all Sarajevan nations, who together, as a result, made that Sarajevan beauty.

That's very true! It happened throughout Bosnia, which is not the multi-ethnic, intermixed place it used to be (perhaps Brcko is the only major multi-ethnic town left). Sarajevo was a very unique city in Yugoslavia and in the Balkans because of its diversity. I think this helped foster a unique mentality among its people, and a unique spirit in the town. Most Serbs/Croats have left the city though, and have been replaced by a lot of unrefined, rural people from Sandzak and Eastern Bosnia. Sarajevo was always just one "veliko selo" (big village), now even more so despite its more modern looking facade.

sarajevo ljubavi moja!!!

more than 150 000 serbs and croats were forced to leave their homes in sarajevo.some bumpkins from novi pazar,rogatica,visegrad...occupied their homes.ther's no question about that.many serbs settled in part of the city,that belonged to repulic of srpska.today,some 40 000 people live in serbian part.some estimates say,that more than 20 000 serbs from sarajevo,will settle in serbian part in next five yaears.

grrr i agree falcon !
those Sandzaklije should leave,NOW :rant:

http://hjem.get2net.dk/ahmo_k/Sarajevo/Cityhall.jpg

http://hjem.get2net.dk/ahmo_k/Sarajevo/Sarajevo02.jpg

http://hjem.get2net.dk/ahmo_k/Sarajevo/Katedrala.jpg

http://hjem.get2net.dk/ahmo_k/Sarajevo/Olympicflame.jpg

http://hjem.get2net.dk/ahmo_k/Sarajevo/Sarajevo04.jpg

http://hjem.get2net.dk/ahmo_k/Sarajevo/Trebevic.jpg

http://hjem.get2net.dk/ahmo_k/Sarajevo/Sarajevozrak.jpg

http://hjem.get2net.dk/ahmo_k/Sarajevo/Zetra02.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/bourbonstreet/bayou/4750/prije_rata/sarajevo.jpg

That's very true! It happened throughout Bosnia, which is not the multi-ethnic, intermixed place it used to be (perhaps Brcko is the only major multi-ethnic town left). Sarajevo was a very unique city in Yugoslavia and in the Balkans because of its diversity. I think this helped foster a unique mentality among its people, and a unique spirit in the town. Most Serbs/Croats have left the city though, and have been replaced by a lot of unrefined, rural people from Sandzak and Eastern Bosnia. Sarajevo was always just one "veliko selo" (big village), now even more so despite its more modern looking facade.

Ko bjezi, bez njih se moze. Uvijek ce se naci neko da popuni njihova mjesta. Ja da sam rodjeni Sarajlija, bez obzira koje nacionalnosti/vjere bio, nikad ne bih napustio Sarajevo.

The biggest loss that Sarajevo had to face was not the chunck of it's Serbs but the loss of the intellect. Mind you, a big chunck of those were Bosniaks.

Real Sarajlije never indentified with their nationalities. It wasn't what made them who they were and Sarajevo was never about religion. Therefor the issue is not the loss of it's multi-ethnicity, it still exist. The loss of it's intellect is what matters.

People who keep bringing the ethnic loss question obviously don't know much about what Sarajevo was/is all about or actually have a hidden agenda.

Thankfully for Sarajevo, a core of people that matter did stay and others have returned or contribute from outside. The spirit is still there and new generations are picking it up and making Sarajevo their own.

Hopefully even more people will return, from all ethnic grous. But mind you, the nationalistic dipshits from Pale and ''Srpsko Sarajevo'' (who ended up shelling their own city) are not missed, by anyone.

That's all from me.

Btw i see some pics by Pavle Miočić a.k.a Saray ;) theyre great Pavle :D :applause:

And whats this building in Sarajevo,ive never seen it http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/TimurTaljanovic/Sarajevo012.jpg =/

The biggest loss that Sarajevo had to face was not the chunck of it's Serbs but the loss of the intellect. Mind you, a big chunck of those were Bosniaks.

Real Sarajlije never indentified with their nationalities. It wasn't what made them who they were and Sarajevo was never about religion. Therefor the issue is not the loss of it's multi-ethnicity, it still exist. The loss of it's intellect is what matters.

People who keep bringing the ethnic loss question obviously don't know much about what Sarajevo was/is all about or actually have a hidden agenda.

Thankfully for Sarajevo, a core of people that matter did stay and others have returned or contribute from outside. The spirit is still there and new generations are picking it up and making Sarajevo their own.

Hopefully even more people will return, from all ethnic grous. But mind you, the nationalistic dipshits from Pale and ''Srpsko Sarajevo'' (who ended up shelling their own city) are not missed, by anyone.

That's all from me.
The ones that bombed Sarajevo from Pale were not real Sarajlije, that's for sure. No real Sarajlija could do that. However, that was only one, uncultured segment of the Serbian population in Sarajevo. Sarajevo was a multi-ethnic place where people didn't really care about nationalities, but the war changed this. It wasn't even the war so much, because most people in Bosnia (even in Sarajevo) voted for nationalistic parties back in 1990, so that tells you everything. The people that left Sarajevo were intellectuals, but especially the ones who never put much emphasis on nationality. If anybody did leave, it was the people who considered themselves Yugoslavs, moderate non-nationalistic people that voted for Ante Markovic instead of the nationalistic parties before the war. A lot of the moderates and the non-Muslims left to be replaced by rural people from Sandzak and Eastern Bosnia, who are more nationalistic and uncultured. Sarajevo did lose its spirit, and while nobody can be happy about that, there is no point in being in denial over it. The few remaining Serbs/Croats in the city are elderly people, who will die out within the next 10-20 years, at which point Sarajevo will be even more homogenous. The city had gone from being one of the most cosmopolitan and multi-ethnic towns in the Balkans, to one of the largest Muslim cities in Europe. I am not blaming anyone, but that is just a sad consequence of the war (and it happened all over Bosnia obviously).

I agree with with most of you! :(

To only focus on Sarajevo for losing it's spirit, and culture would be wrong! Banja Luka was also a multi-ethnic city, now it is only the largest Serbian City outside of Serbia and Montenegro... Banja Luka is filled with refugees from Croatia and Federation, the same way Sarajevo is with refugees from Republika Srpska... same goes for the majority of Bosnian Towns. That will, and must change. With time, people will be more focused on moving to the cities with the best economies, jobs, and future for their children...rather than the cities that are dominated by Serbs, Muslims or Croats ... .

a sta je sa ona 3-4 solitera sto su u toku rata cesto prikazivana izgorela i unistena,ona 2 kod holiday inn-a i onaj beli soliter?
Da li su obnovljeni ili idalje stoje tako izgoreli?

Kad je holiday inn obnovljen?Koliko se secam i on je u ratu bio ostecen?

Most of you are really exagerating the current situation. Sarajevo (and the rest of Bosnia) is getting back it's life. Sarajevo has people coming back to it, and the life is coming back. I know you've all heard this millions of times, but you can't expect a city/country to regain all it's past charecteristics so quickly. It takes time...Much progress has already happen since 1995.

Sarajevo, as well as every city after a war, is coming back with it's people. It just takes time...

Sarajevo was very much famous for its material beauty. The Vijecnica, Bascarsija, and above all else the natural surroundings.

I don't agree. Vijećnica is just a building. Baščaršija is just an Ottoman district. Princip's bridge is just one bridge. They don't mean anything for me without Sarajlije.

Music is just one example of what I'm talking about. Crvena jabuka, Bijelo dugme, grupa Merlin, Zdravko Čolić, Zabranjeno pušenje...and let's not forget our famous actors, let's not forget Đuru and Neleta, their 'Nadrealiste', let's not forget old Sarajevan movies, Sarajevan humor, good old 'Sarajevo versus Željo' rivality, let's not forget those pre war years when after 'paljanska balvan revolucija' all those people organized days of support for Yugoslavia, remember all those Yugoslavian flags? I was 4, but I still remember that feeling. I didn't understand it back than though, but that makes my proud for being Sarajlija now.

Which is true for more or less the entire Republika Srpska as well. :)

Sad but true, and not only Srpska, but whole Bosnia and Herzegovina :(

I agree with with most of you! :(

To only focus on Sarajevo for losing it's spirit, and culture would be wrong! Banja Luka was also a multi-ethnic city, now it is only the largest Serbian City outside of Serbia and Montenegro... Banja Luka is filled with refugees from Croatia and Federation, the same way Sarajevo is with refugees from Republika Srpska... same goes for the majority of Bosnian Towns. That will, and must change. With time, people will be more focused on moving to the cities with the best economies, jobs, and future for their children...rather than the cities that are dominated by Serbs, Muslims or Croats ... .

I would like to see that happening, but I think those days are finished. Died with Tito and his Yugoslavia...

a sta je sa ona 3-4 solitera sto su u toku rata cesto prikazivana izgorela i unistena,ona 2 kod holiday inn-a i onaj beli soliter?
Da li su obnovljeni ili idalje stoje tako izgoreli?

Kad je holiday inn obnovljen?Koliko se secam i on je u ratu bio ostecen?
Ona 2 nebodera kod Holliday-a su obnovljeni jos davno.. A taj bijeli,ne znam na koji mislis,pretpostavljam da je onaj toranj ministara kraj parlamenta ? on se trenutno obnavlja ;)

evo ih

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/TimurTaljanovic/Sarajevo010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/TimurTaljanovic/Sarajevo043.jpg

a i stara zgrada Oslobođenja je srušena u toku rata:
http://mishuna.image.pbase.com/u38/kevbelcher/large/25207560.Scan10087.jpg
i obnovljena:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/TimurTaljanovic/Sarajevo042.jpg

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^ Sarajevo, by the way. ;) Not Belgrade.

Ah... yeah. I don't think anyone was confused about that.:D

^ :D Just making sure.

It's SARAJEVO! :D

I'm not crazy, you're crazy.

Stop it.

I can still hhheeeaaarrrr you!

Are "we" ok today Mila? :) LOL.

here, I will make it as clear as possible:

SARAJEVO....

http://photoarts.com/haviv/bosnia/image/peacerally.jpeg

BELGRADE......

http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/470/victory3zq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

.......................Still Don't get it? :D

^ That's exactly the type of comparrison I'd have made too. ;)

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2756/tito2520brza2520ruka5wc.jpg :D

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btw, Sarajevo looked really cool before the war, while Zagreb looked like a total shithole :(

:)

:cheers:

Zagreb didn't look like a total shitwhole! :D....I only heard good things! Post some pictures, I know you must have some from the good old days! ;)

Sarajevo looked really cool before the war, while Zagreb looked like a total shithole :(

:)

:cheers:

At least some things haven't changed. :D xox :jk:

Zagreb didn't look like a total shitwhole! :D....I only heard good things! Post some pictures, I know you must have some from the good old days! ;)

Okie, but i'm posting only thumbs of pre-war Zagreb, cuz this is about Sarajevo :)

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/9567/loi09i8np.th.jpg (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=loi09i8np.jpg)http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/6575/zagreb19898ak.th.jpg (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zagreb19898ak.jpg)http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/2986/217231674tkmptbph8va.th.jpg (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=217231674tkmptbph8va.jpg)http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/2397/cekv01p05048vk.th.jpg (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cekv01p05048vk.jpg)

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/9990/zagreb198513rc.th.jpg (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zagreb198513rc.jpg)http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/5456/cekv01p05058ui.th.jpg (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cekv01p05058ui.jpg)http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/1610/titozagreb21se.th.jpg (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=titozagreb21se.jpg)



http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/91/71063351chdqheph9rr.th.jpg (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=71063351chdqheph9rr.jpg)http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7742/zagreb80ky.th.jpg (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zagreb80ky.jpg)

^ Doesn't it make you sick seeing that fucking flag? :D

I have one of it hanging from a minaret and I want to throw up every time I see it.

The star is the only thing that keeps my food down.

bubach_hlubach,

Wonderful pictures! I still don't see the shitwhole part!:D

Sarajka,

Go Fuck yourself! Bitch! errrr!!!!! :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1404/bosnia037rb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Heheh... :D

^ Hehehe.

Cetnik.

Nice thread, tough it's really depressive, but nice :)

^ Hehehe.

Cetnik.


Sorry, I forgot to respond earlier!

ehhmm..
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Balija.

^ Hehehe.

Teslican.

Uh. Now you are just complimenting me! ;)

A Tesanjka's lesser half/ The Scum of a Beogradjanka/Turkinja/ Alija's Bitch/ Jugoslovenka.....

I don't know... which ever you find most offensive... :D

^ Doesn't it make you sick seeing that fucking flag? :D

I have one of it hanging from a minaret and I want to throw up every time I see it.

The star is the only thing that keeps my food down.

Huh....why would it make me sick seeing it? I made a bag of such flag in which i keep potates in my basement :D

:cheers:

Are "we" ok today Mila? :) LOL.

here, I will make it as clear as possible:

SARAJEVO....

http://photoarts.com/haviv/bosnia/image/peacerally.jpeg

BELGRADE......

http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/470/victory3zq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

.......................Still Don't get it? :D

^ Good point ;)

I agree with with most of you! :(

To only focus on Sarajevo for losing it's spirit, and culture would be wrong! Banja Luka was also a multi-ethnic city, now it is only the largest Serbian City outside of Serbia and Montenegro... Banja Luka is filled with refugees from Croatia and Federation, the same way Sarajevo is with refugees from Republika Srpska... same goes for the majority of Bosnian Towns. That will, and must change. With time, people will be more focused on moving to the cities with the best economies, jobs, and future for their children...rather than the cities that are dominated by Serbs, Muslims or Croats ... .You cannot compare Sarajevo with Banjaluka.

First, Banjaluka didn't saw direct war like Sarajevo. In Banjaluka almost 100% of pre-war non-Serbs population were forced to leave city by Serbian forces or they were killed despite that in Banjaluka war was not present one day.

In Sarajevo that was never happiend. Many Serbs left Sarajevo and goes in mountains to bombed Sarajevo together with Serbia forces around Sarajevo. Many Serbs did know what will happiend and they left Sarajevo even before war to some other city all over world. Also many Croats and Bosniaks (mayority) leave Sarajevo during war and many left Sarajevo in first year after war becuase city was devasted. For example Israel government organised that almost all Sarajevo's Jewish population leave Sarajevo for Israel during war in Sarajevo. Today many of them are in Sarajevo but I am not sure who was more lucky, people who left Sarajevo or people who stay in Sarajevo and they were killed in Sarajevo.

If I was live in Sarajevo during war I will leave that city becuase of the devastation. Nice city example today will be New Orleans even Sarajevo damages were bigger than damages today in New Orleans. First year after war Sarajevo was not be able to recived so many people like before war, so many of them left Sarajevo for life somewhere else. Today is different story.

But one question for all "Sarajlije". Radovan Karadzic, Nele Karajlic, Goran Bregovic, Nikola Koljevic are they in group so-called Sarajlije or not?

You cannot compare Sarajevo with Banjaluka.

First, Banjaluka didn't saw direct war like Sarajevo. In Banjaluka almost 100% of pre-war non-Serbs population were forced to leave city by Serbian forces or they were killed despite that in Banjaluka war was not present one day.

In Sarajevo that was never happiend. Many Serbs left Sarajevo and goes in mountains to bombed Sarajevo together with Serbia forces around Sarajevo. Many Serbs did know what will happiend and they left Sarajevo even before war to some other city all over world. Also many Croats and Bosniaks (mayority) leave Sarajevo during war and many left Sarajevo in first year after war becuase city was devasted. For example Israel government organised that almost all Sarajevo's Jewish population leave Sarajevo for Israel during war in Sarajevo. Today many of them are in Sarajevo but I am not sure who was more lucky, people who left Sarajevo or people who stay in Sarajevo and they were killed in Sarajevo.

If I was live in Sarajevo during war I will leave that city becuase of the devastation. Nice city example today will be New Orleans even Sarajevo damages were bigger than damages today in New Orleans. First year after war Sarajevo was not be able to recived so many people like before war, so many of them left Sarajevo for life somewhere else. Today is different story.

But one question for all "Sarajlije". Radovan Karadzic, Nele Karajlic, Goran Bregovic, Nikola Koljevic are they in group so-called Sarajlije or not?

There is no point in responding to what you have said.... I mean putting in the same category Goran Bregovic and Radovan Karadzic!

Bregovic and Nele are Sarajlije... Karadzic is from Montengrin mountains and I don't know where Koljevic is from.

^ Nikola Koljević, vice president? He's from Sarajevo, as far as I know.

By the way, Bane, ne možeš reći "Dje je ba zapelo", nije prirodno. Podjeća me na beogradske glumce kada pokušavaju skinut' sarajevski način govora...

Promijeni u "Đe ba zapelo", to je prirodnije :)

I mean putting in the same category Goran Bregovic and Radovan Karadzic!Yes, becuase parents from both this persons are not from Sarajevo or in Karadzic case from Bosnia and Herzegovina but from Serbia and Montenegro mountains. Also Bregovic father is Croat and ex officir of JNA from one village near Osijek in Eastern Croatia and mother is Serb. He came with JNA in Sarajevo like so many other during communist Yugoslavia. Communists Yugoslavia made Bregovic famous but he is angry on that ex surogat state becuase they taked him big taxes when he was JNA communist child.

We all know how people who serv JNA lived in former Yugoslavia. So we are able to call Bregovic communist child.

So did we are able to call Bregovic or Karadzic 'Sarajlije', becuase both of them lived in Sarajevo before war? Did we are able to call Bregovic Parisian becuase he live in Paris? Of course not. He is f***** alien like he was f***** alien in Sarajevo.

Bregovic and Nele are Sarajlije... Karadzic is from Montengrin mountains and I don't know where Koljevic is from.I explained Bregovic story and for Karajlic you are wrong. Usually Sarajlije describe people who came in Sarajevo from mountains like 'papci'. Karajlic before war used that description for others so many times. But what about him? His parents are even not from Sarajevo, but from Knin in Croatia. His example tell us a lot about that kind of pre-war people who described themself like 'Sarajlije'. We cannot call all cca. 500 000 pre-war population Sarajlije when many of them just like Karadzic, Bregovic or Karajlic are even not born in Sarajevo or Bosnia and Herzegovina. They are 'Sarajlije' becuase JNA ordered to theirs parents that they must move in Sarajevo during communist and everything except Bosnian former Yugoslavia.

So I am pretty sceptical when someone who lived in Sarajevo before war said 'I am Sarajlija but now we cannot live there becuase other people came in our town'? I am sure that someone else during communist Yugoslavia spoked about Bregovic, Karajlic, Andzelic and etc. about them or theirs parents like they spoke about those new Sarajlije.

^ Nikola Koljević, vice president?

Vice president of what? The Kurt Cobain fan club? :|
:D

:cheers:

Yes, becuase parents from both this persons are not from Sarajevo or in Karadzic case from Bosnia and Herzegovina but from Serbia and Montenegro mountains. Also Bregovic father is Croat and ex officir of JNA from one village near Osijek in Eastern Croatia and mother is Serb. He came with JNA in Sarajevo like so many other during communist Yugoslavia. Communists Yugoslavia made Bregovic famous but he is angry on that ex surogat state becuase they taked him big taxes when he was JNA communist child.

We all know how people who serv JNA lived in former Yugoslavia. So we are able to call Bregovic communist child.

So did we are able to call Bregovic or Karadzic 'Sarajlije', becuase both of them lived in Sarajevo before war? Did we are able to call Bregovic Parisian becuase he live in Paris? Of course not. He is f***** alien like he was f***** alien in Sarajevo.

I explained Bregovic story and for Karajlic you are wrong. Usually Sarajlije describe people who came in Sarajevo from mountains like 'papci'. Karajlic before war used that description for others so many times. But what about him? His parents are even not from Sarajevo, but from Knin in Croatia. His example tell us a lot about that kind of pre-war people who described themself like 'Sarajlije'. We cannot call all cca. 500 000 pre-war population Sarajlije when many of them just like Karadzic, Bregovic or Karajlic are even not born in Sarajevo or Bosnia and Herzegovina. They are 'Sarajlije' becuase JNA ordered to theirs parents that they must move in Sarajevo during communist and everything except Bosnian former Yugoslavia.

So I am pretty sceptical when someone who lived in Sarajevo before war said 'I am Sarajlija but now we cannot live there becuase other people came in our town'? I am sure that someone else during communist Yugoslavia spoked about Bregovic, Karajlic, Andzelic and etc. about them or theirs parents like they spoke about those new Sarajlije.


Ma ne seri, kao sada ja nisam Beogradjanin jer su se samo moji roditelji rodili ovde. Ako se neko rodi i odraste i jednom gradu, onda pripada tom gradu, i taj grad pripada njemu. Ajde, po tebi ko je pravi Sarajlija? Neki brdjani iz Sandzaka mozda? :lol: Po tvojoj logici, ja vise pripadam Hercegovini, Hravtskoj i Crnoj Gori nego BGu :lol:

RTX,

Thanks for that laugh! :D

But if you could please escort yourself to this forum.....http://www.network54.com/Forum/72858

Thanks! :D

So I am pretty sceptical when someone who lived in Sarajevo before war said 'I am Sarajlija but now we cannot live there becuase other people came in our town'? I am sure that someone else during communist Yugoslavia spoked about Bregovic, Karajlic, Andzelic and etc. about them or theirs parents like they spoke about those new Sarajlije.

Yeah probably. But everyone has a right to live where they want to. If someone doesn't want to live there they don't have to. Cities and nations always change. New people come and go. Who knows what Sarajevo will be like in 50 years and who'll live there.

Sarajevo's population was 115,000 in 1945, just after WW2. It grew to about 525,000 by 1991. A lot of people moved into the city from rural areas either looking for a better life or for education within that time span. Karadzic is a good example, as he was born in Montenegro and moved to Sarajevo at the age of 15. He spent his formative years in Montenegro, so he's not a "real Sarajlija" I think. Being born in the city and growing up there makes a difference, as does having parents that were born and grew up in the city. Sarajlije are very picky over who they accept as a real Sarajlija. Even now the immigrants/refugees from Sandzak and Easter Bosnia are looked down upon. Depending on which part of the city you live in, people will look down upon you (living in Pale was never the same as living somewhere in the centre of the city lol). I'd say its all about your mentality and behaviour. A seljak is a seljak even if he lives in the centre of the city. Some people coming in from rural areas acclimate and assimalate better into the city fabric than other rural people. There are no set rules when it comes to these things I think.

If people want to bitch about the current demographics of Sarajevo they should blame Karadzic and those who bombed the city, not the Sarajlije who remained in Sarajevo and endured the longest siege in modern military history.

If people want to bitch about the current demographics of Sarajevo they should blame Karadzic and those who bombed the city, not the Sarajlije who remained in Sarajevo and endured the longest siege in modern military history.


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god forbid anyone should hold bosniaks even the tiniest bit responsible :weird: how could your victimization complex survive?

I was visiting Sarajevo in the early days of September 2005. Very nice city, but comming from Sweden, I´m amazed how someone can built such a city in the middle of nowhere. Only mountains all over..

We entered BiH from north (Orasje) and all of a sudden we were in a great carcementery (cool!). Just a couple of miles later was the infamous Arizona Market (WOW!). Driving thru BiH was exciting: I never seen such roads before with 10 cm spurs in the road, cool!

Then entering Tuzla was also an experience. I think Tuzla and Sarajevo has much in common the topography.. I mean.. two cities in deep valleys.. with a lot of traffic in east-west-direction. The communist-blocks were cool!! I never seen so much concrete before.. In the end of the day we also visited the Eagles Base to get a welcomed shower (Thanks Swedish military forces!!)

Then moving furgher south towards Sarajevo on the nationalroad 18 we crossed over some villages heavy struggled by the war. Mountains all over! Very cool. I dont know, but the urbanisationrate in BiH can´t be that large, I mean, villages all over, but only small cities.

Arriving to Sarajevo via Vogosca, we saw the TV-tower at right and wanted to go there. So we ask some locals the route, and headed right just at the mountainpass. We should have taken the usual serpentineway instead of taking this route.. First of all, the road was not a road, more a cowtrail. My friend thought this will be expensive (to repair the car.. rentalcar).. but I made it! Oh.. this adventure took us some hour. Splendid view over Sarajevo indeed! A LOT of communistblocks all over in this valley.. very nice!

The skyline of Sarajevo is better then Stockholm! Not bad for a city with 500,000 inhabitans. We entered the old town and then went out on the snipers alley. Not much for a freeway I must say.

I never got it really.. where is Srpska Sarajevo??? Does anyone have a good map over Sarajevo online to show this borders? I´ve also tryed to find maps of confontration during the war.. but havent found any good one. Does anyone have good webpages with information the war? And then I mean I clean, good, structured page...

Is there any mayor roadworks in Sarajevo? Any infrastructureprojects? Anyone with maps? I saw there were a little development at Ilidza making 2 lanes in each direction..

I never got it really.. where is Srpska Sarajevo??? Does anyone have a good map over Sarajevo online to show this borders? I´ve also tryed to find maps of confontration during the war.. but havent found any good one. Does anyone have good webpages with information the war? And then I mean I clean, good, structured page...

Is there any mayor roadworks in Sarajevo? Any infrastructureprojects? Anyone with maps? I saw there were a little development at Ilidza making 2 lanes in each direction..East (Srpska) Sarajevo is not in the Sarajevo city and even not in the Sarajevo Canton. It is only few villages around Sarajevo. About Sarajevo construction projects look on Sarajevo Construction Updates I, II, III and IV. This is number IV I think where you have a lot information what is going on in Sarajevo construction.

Sarajevo Construction Updates (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=240382)

god forbid anyone should hold bosniaks even the tiniest bit responsible :weird: how could your victimization complex survive?

It isn't our "victimization complex" but, rather, your relativization complex whose existance hinges on the myth of an "ethnically cleansed" Sarajevo.

Huh....why would it make me sick seeing it? I made a bag of such flag in which i keep potates in my basement :D

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Eto konačno jedan Hrvat da mu je Jugoslavija bila od neke koristi ;)

Uh. Now you are just complimenting me! ;)

A Tesanjka's lesser half/ The Scum of a Beogradjanka/Turkinja/ Alija's Bitch/ Jugoslovenka.....

I don't know... which ever you find most offensive... :D

cough racist!!! squish the racists :bash:

^^Oh no, no... that's not yugoboy!

That's just normal talk between them. ;)

Hahah

:D;)

East (Srpska) Sarajevo is not in the Sarajevo city and even not in the Sarajevo Canton. It is only few villages around Sarajevo. About Sarajevo construction projects look on Sarajevo Construction Updates I, II, III and IV. This is number IV I think where you have a lot information what is going on in Sarajevo construction.

Sarajevo Construction Updates (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=240382)


Is this the area around and close to the airport?

^ Da, Dobrinja I i Dobrinja IV, Kula, Lukavica, Kasindo, Vojkovići, dobar dio Butmira i tako...sve ukupno negdje oko 40-45 hiljada ljudi. I naravno da ti dijelovi nisu u sarajevskom kantonu kad nisu dio Federacije, no Srpske, koja nema kantone no opštine; ali su dio saravskog polja, to jest uže sarajevske regije. Evo rade i trolejbusku mrežu kojom povezuju Dobrinju I i IV, Lukavicu i Kulu sa gradskom trolejbuskom mrežom, tako da misao gospodina kome su postavio pitanje, a u kojoj on odlučno tvrdi sa ovi dijelo grada, organizovani u Grad Srpsko Sarajevo, nemaju nikakve veze sa Sarajevom je, u najmanju ruku, besmislena.