The project is still very much alive, many international companies have shown interest in a JV with KPT and contract is expected to be awarded in December. Port Tower is still the main structure in the plan but its height is proposed to be 1947 ft :runaway: . This info was given by an official of KPT in an interview to AAJ TV.

BTW The 500ft fountain is expected to be completed by December this year.

well it never was dead, the project was told to everyone by musharaf in 99, so it had to be complete one day, it happens with every project in pakistan, its nothing new, just look at SZC and flatiss hotel in lahore, delays happen in about every big project.

Wat da F!!
Dont start a 3rd Thread on this now¬!!

1947ft from 1500ft......ru kiddin
And, Water Jet fountain is already completed but will inaugrate by President in his up coming trip to Karachi according to ''The News''

Yeah the project is alive ! The Qatari investor had to leave, but a lot of other investors have shown interest, and are willing to invest in it! Go KPT!

1947 ft = Year of Independence !

Yeah the project is alive ! The Qatari investor had to leave, but a lot of other investors have shown interest, and are willing to invest in it! Go KPT!

1947 ft = Year of Independence !


Any news clippings to support your claims?

how tall is the burl al dubai.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40674000/gif/_40674168_tallest_build3.gif

interesting. 1947 feet. i dont know about this. but lets see how things work out.

whr did u get the 1947ft info from?
any new rendering regarding the project...???

i also saw the interview and that person was the chairman of kpt and he said that the height of ptc will be 1947 ft

Burj Dubai is reaching crazy heights but as far as the Port Tower for Karachi is concerned, it would look terribly out of place even if it was the height of the Empire State Building

Burj Dubai is reaching crazy heights but as far as the Port Tower for Karachi is concerned, it would look terribly out of place even if it was the height of the Empire State Building

I would agree with you, The residential 40 Storey buildings in the project will look tiny against the 1947ft tower. The project should have something around 900-1000ft tall other than Port Tower.

Can anyone confirm directly from the officials of KPT about the update if contact with them is possible? everybody is curious about it
hey Sultan, i m back :)

-Mehdi

Can anyone confirm directly from the officials of KPT about the update if contact with them is possible? everybody is curious about it
hey Sultan, i m back :)

-Mehdi

Hey Mehdi !

Good to have you back :)

since the height of PTC, as is told by some people, is revised to 1947ft, i believe its design will also be revised. lets suggest our own ideas how it should look like.
if seems ok..come up with drawings, look alike, word descriptions etc. may be someone among high officials will note and ur idea can become reality.
i myself is quite busy nowadays but will try to make some rendering of my own ideas as i get some time. here are some of my suggestions..
1) the old design with a revolving restaurant - the best... stick with it :)
2) since its 1947ft, y not to go to design exactly like Minar-e-Pakistan... though a very high one
3) something that looks like a star and cresent when seen from top, but is joined and stretched to 1947 ft.

-Mehdi

Well the main purpose to build the tower is to construct a Modern Icon which Pakistanis can feel proud of, I think it should be very very modern, it should have a space age design.

As for the Minar-e-Pakistan like design is concerned, I think it is not possible, a 1947Ft Minar-e-Pakistan like tower will be an insult to the original tower.

Agreed... thats a correct point

-Mehdi

What's stoping them from building it? No investor?

^Lots of companies have shown interest in a JV with KPT and the contract is Expected to be awarded in dec of 2005.

BULLSHIT, the awarded company will run away like qatar based company ran away, i dont think its possible for next 10 years

Why do people like you have negative views in your minds?

If the project has been revived, there maybe some reason behind it. You cannot just assume that the other company will run away ..

Please use this thread for a positive and healthy discussion.

get your facts right, qatari didnt run away he was thrown out.

Last warning for you too as well Shaz!

Anymore offtopic replies will be deleted.

Salam ! Its been in the news that the KPT tower is inthe pipe line , so I wna know all about it plzzz as i amsure every Pakistani will love and curious to know we are praying for the creation of this beautiful country to lead as the leader in whole Muslim Umma
Naseer Shah

Sorry to say it a Muslim Ummah does not exist and never will

Sorry to say it a Muslim Ummah does not exist and never will

:?

I think its time we come out of our little "Muslim Ummah" holes and start thinking more globally.

Think about this.... Metric system history books dont go beyond the Muslim world in all the schooling life of a kid in Pakistan! that is such a limited view of the world!

yea man!!! ure soo damn right..

And the ummah does not exist so why are we wasting our time?

yea its time to look beyond the hopeless so called Islamic Ummah which gets bashed every single day by the rest of the world. we need to think corporate and global ....that is the only road and option now available to attain success. what is the Islamic Ummah? a handful of muslim states like who saudi arabia, kuwait, oman and the rest of those...they themselves have american bases and americal oil companies....the leaders tend to divert all polices which make the white house happy, so if we do a little of that by the fully legible war on terrorism as it has killed our soldiers and innocent people in pakistan, and not to forget tarnished the image of pakistan abroad, why should we even give jack shit about the so called Ummah.

yea its time to look beyond the hopeless so called Islamic Ummah which gets bashed every single day by the rest of the world. we need to think corporate and global ....that is the only road and option now available to attain success. what is the Islamic Ummah? a handful of muslim states like who saudi arabia, kuwait, oman and the rest of those...they themselves have american bases and americal oil companies....the leaders tend to divert all polices which make the white house happy, so if we do a little of that by the fully legible war on terrorism as it has killed our soldiers and innocent people in pakistan, and not to forget tarnished the image of pakistan abroad, why should we even give jack shit about the so called Ummah.

well said, i totally agree

yea its time to look beyond the hopeless so called Islamic Ummah which gets bashed every single day by the rest of the world. we need to think corporate and global ....that is the only road and option now available to attain success. what is the Islamic Ummah? a handful of muslim states like who saudi arabia, kuwait, oman and the rest of those...they themselves have american bases and americal oil companies....the leaders tend to divert all polices which make the white house happy, so if we do a little of that by the fully legible war on terrorism as it has killed our soldiers and innocent people in pakistan, and not to forget tarnished the image of pakistan abroad, why should we even give jack shit about the so called Ummah.

so you really believe that if we disaasociate ourselves from the ummah, we wil be accepted by the rest of the world? if thats the case, you really need to open your eyes. we always have been and always will be part of the muslim ummah. lets take turkey or malaysia for example, these two countries are generally secular, but is turkey accepted into the EU...NO! the problem with the outside world isnt that you are part of the ummah, heck they dont even know what it is. the main stumbling block for them is that you are muslim, and follow islam. i understand the pathetic state of some of our mulim countries are in, most notably the gulf region, but lets give thanks were its due, they have always been on our side (and i mean the people, not the puppet rulers)
if anybody else wants to comment, lets open a new thread, and not further pollute this one.

im sure this topic is about port tower, well thats what i see in the topic title. so can we discuss that instead of the umaah

Well I know one fact which I would like to share with you.....In these crisis time who have helped us the most.....yes indeed....It is the muslim world (Ummah) :)

With that I also agree with PakBoy this thread is dedicated to the tower so let us stick to that :)

so you really believe that if we disaasociate ourselves from the ummah, we wil be accepted by the rest of the world? if thats the case, you really need to open your eyes. we always have been and always will be part of the muslim ummah. lets take turkey or malaysia for example, these two countries are generally secular, but is turkey accepted into the EU...NO! the problem with the outside world isnt that you are part of the ummah, heck they dont even know what it is. the main stumbling block for them is that you are muslim, and follow islam. i understand the pathetic state of some of our mulim countries are in, most notably the gulf region, but lets give thanks were its due, they have always been on our side (and i mean the people, not the puppet rulers)
if anybody else wants to comment, lets open a new thread, and not further pollute this one.

Why should we be so desperate for association with anything in that way? Apart from thinking just about the Ummah, if we think about the whole world and play their game, the rest of the world is going to play their game with us too! Its true that the Muslim countries are our great allies, but that is NOT a reason for us to just stop at them. I think the EU and the USA both were great contributors to the earthquake relief operation too. There is no harm in forging good friendships and alliances with other countries of the world as well. As far as the case of Turkey goes, we dont have that kind of problem on our own hands. I dont think we will ever be vying for a position in the EU or in NATO or whatever, so why should it affect us? We just need to keep our image clean and progress like Japan and Korea into the world arena with good buisness practices and start playing the world field. Taking a religio-centric view is not gonna get us anywhere and will just make us more and more frustrated as time goes on.

^ I agree with Swerv


And stay on topic

all the other threads have dissappeared, can someone add all the renders in here again.

This topic needs some cleaning!

will do it after i eat

how long do you take to eat.

lol! :rofl:

2 days, and hes stil eating. :eek2:

Karachi's Tallest Structures:
http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?c762

Pakistan's Tallest Structures:
http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?13946130

The project is still very much alive, many international companies have shown interest in a JV with KPT and contract is expected to be awarded in December. Port Tower is still the main structure in the plan but its height is proposed to be 1947 ft :runaway: . This info was given by an official of KPT in an interview to AAJ TV.

BTW The 500ft fountain is expected to be completed by December this year.

Any updates? its december

Hi all
I have got an image of Port Tower Complex...
How to sahre it here ....?

Hi all
I have got an image of Port Tower Complex...
How to sahre it here ....?

go here and upload it
http://www.imageshack.us/

then post the picture in the topic

Thnaks for your help
Kindly check this link for PTC image.

http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=7a6xs.jpg

here it is
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4641/7a6xs.jpg

the old design was much better

ya....ur right
but may be they will change the design as there are news about the height to be 1947 ft instead on 1500.

http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=7a6xs.jpg

The Old one
http://www.kpt.gov.pk/Images2/Port-Tower.jpg

I like the new design much better. Looks more normal and something that will blend into the city fabric as time progresses meanwhile providing a big boost to the skyline. Also, doesnt look like a copy of the CN tower.

I just hope they start constructing it soon... for me, the design is something secondary! I just want to see a really tall skyscraper built in Pakistan soon!

i like the secoond design much better...but like huit im so sick and tired of PTC project coming alive and dead again...i just want to see a tall skyscraper in pakistan

i like the secoond design much better...but like huit im so sick and tired of PTC project coming alive and dead again...i just want to see a tall skyscraper in pakistan

I have the same opinion..

how tall is the burl al dubai.
It is 705 m, though Emmar properties, the ones behind the Burj Dubai, said that this may not be the completion height, it would be higher.

ISLAMABAD (February 06 2006): President General Pervez Musharraf is likely to perform ground-breaking of Rs 20 billion Port Tower project in June, considered to be amongst 10-tallest buildings of the world.

"Our preparations are in full swing and it is hoped that the President will perform the ground-breaking of the tower in June," an official in the ministry of ports and shipping told Business Recorder.

He said it would be a landmark project in Karachi with world class recreational facilities and the 1,400 feet high Port Tower with commercial-cum-recreational centre will rise at the skyline on the Clifton beach, he added.

The official said the main features of the venture would be a commercial complex, residential estate, recreational facilities and a viewing gallery offering a panoramic view of the coastline and the city.

The monument - believed to be amongst the 10 tallest buildings of the world - would be completed in a period of six years.

The complex would have speedy lifts for the visitors to have a bird's-eye view of the city from a revolving restaurant at its top.

The total 90-acre land required for the project would be made available through reclamation of the sea, the official said.

It is learnt that the Karachi Port Trust would contribute Rs 3.16 billion in the shape of 30-acre land for the tower and the Expo Centre, 30.5-acre land for low-rise residential complex, 21.5 acres for high-rise complex and 15.8 acres for shopping area and hotel.

The low-rise residential complex would comprise 75 units of 4,500 sq ft each, while the high-rise complex would have A and B categories of apartments.

The authorities believe the mega project would generate huge employment opportunities, as some 40,000 workers, along with 137 industries would remain associated with the project for six years.


Copyright Business Recorder, 2006



Source: http://www.businessrecorder.com/index.php?id=384982&currPageNo=1&query=&search=&term=&supDate=

did kpt reduce the height of the tower or did Business Recorder make a mistake?

The new one looks better!

why the height has been reduced to 1400 ft from 1947 ft ?

Any body ...............

ISLAMABAD (February 06 2006): President General Pervez Musharraf is likely to perform ground-breaking of Rs 20 billion Port Tower project in June, considered to be amongst 10-tallest buildings of the world.

"Our preparations are in full swing and it is hoped that the President will perform the ground-breaking of the tower in June," an official in the ministry of ports and shipping told Business Recorder.

He said it would be a landmark project in Karachi with world class recreational facilities and the 1,400 feet high Port Tower with commercial-cum-recreational centre will rise at the skyline on the Clifton beach, he added.

The official said the main features of the venture would be a commercial complex, residential estate, recreational facilities and a viewing gallery offering a panoramic view of the coastline and the city.

The monument - believed to be amongst the 10 tallest buildings of the world - would be completed in a period of six years.

The complex would have speedy lifts for the visitors to have a bird's-eye view of the city from a revolving restaurant at its top.

The total 90-acre land required for the project would be made available through reclamation of the sea, the official said.

It is learnt that the Karachi Port Trust would contribute Rs 3.16 billion in the shape of 30-acre land for the tower and the Expo Centre, 30.5-acre land for low-rise residential complex, 21.5 acres for high-rise complex and 15.8 acres for shopping area and hotel.

The low-rise residential complex would comprise 75 units of 4,500 sq ft each, while the high-rise complex would have A and B categories of apartments.

The authorities believe the mega project would generate huge employment opportunities, as some 40,000 workers, along with 137 industries would remain associated with the project for six years.


Copyright Business Recorder, 2006



Source: http://www.businessrecorder.com/index.php?id=384982&currPageNo=1&query=&search=&term=&supDate=

thank God i was waiting for this news for a long long time

finally some news

1400 ft or 1947 ft, just build the damm thing.

Yeah seriously ... but if they do make it upto 1947 FT that would be like the 2nd or 3rd tallest tower in the world.

Both designs are beautiful! :uh:

Where's the new design? :S

Instead of one huge tower with a few other buildings around it, wouldn't it perhaps have been better to build several smaller structures of about 400-500 feet surrounded by many other smaller buildings? Like a Port City instead of a Port Tower Complex?

Cummon yar!! The city needs a new landmark!! Smaller structure wont make a difference to the city......Khi is the largest and most advanced city of Paki.......it need a large megastructure that would prove the cityz mod identity......plus we dont have towers like these in Paki....such structures were built 50 yrs ago in west.....Itz gonna bring a new dawn to construction and designing!!

ye, building smaller struchures wouldnt make no landmark for pakistan.

as KPT stated its not just a real estate development but a landmark for pakistan.

I just think perhaps it would be wiser to start from the ground up instead of top-down... as in build shorter buildings and gradually increase their height so a supertall won't look so out of place. I agree Karachi needs a symbol of sorts... how about developing the waterfront on the lines of Waikiki Beach in Hawai'i or something a bit more unconventional? I'm not at all against progress and symbolism, but I think it needs to blend into the city a bit better...

As for the designs, the second one is WAY more attractive than the first

This thing is going to be a mammoth no matter how long you spend to increase other building's heights.

I just think perhaps it would be wiser to start from the ground up instead of top-down... as in build shorter buildings and gradually increase their height so a supertall won't look so out of place. I agree Karachi needs a symbol of sorts... how about developing the waterfront on the lines of Waikiki Beach in Hawai'i or something a bit more unconventional? I'm not at all against progress and symbolism, but I think it needs to blend into the city a bit better...

As for the designs, the second one is WAY more attractive than the first

there are plans for a skyline along side the beach. karachi has a huge shoreline and no matter how many tall buildings u make near clifton etc...we'll still have a lot of places to go to for seaviews etc.

damm, i just switched on ary one world and just missed some news on the tower, all i saw is a new render and they said construction begins in june and the project will cost $4 billion.

keep looking! there might be a retelecast!

i believe they were showing about fortune tower in dubai which is worth 4 billions dollars for construction but i could be wrong

fortune tower is only 50 storys and why would they show it in the news, the one wat they showed was over 150 storys.

then i guess i am wrong

i think pakboy that you are wrong because on ary oneworld they showed burj al alam :
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=325591 and they said construction begins in june so i think you are wrong maybe you r right butaryoneworld showed burj al alam and not port tower complex. correct me if i am wrong

its 1947 for sure....dat is because of paks independence yr..... Port tower is going to be pretty hot once its built

Crazy project ! :-o Cool design

Rank Building City Country Height Floors Built
1 Taipei 101 Taipei Republic of China (Taiwan) 509 m 1,671 ft 101 2004
2 Petronas Tower 1 Kuala Lumpur Malaysia 452 m 1,483 ft 88 1998
3 Petronas Tower 2 Kuala Lumpur Malaysia 452 m 1,483 ft 88 1998
4 Sears Tower Chicago United States 442 m 1,451 ft 108 1974
5 Jin Mao Tower Shanghai People's Republic of China 421 m 1,380 ft 88 1998

^ When this (Port Tower) is constructed, it will definately be the 2nd tallest building after Burj Dubai!

Cant wait to see this in the records;

1. Port Tower Complex Karachi Pakistan 1,947ft

Rank Building City Country Height Floors Built
1 Taipei 101 Taipei Republic of China (Taiwan) 509 m 1,671 ft 101 2004
2 Petronas Tower 1 Kuala Lumpur Malaysia 452 m 1,483 ft 88 1998
3 Petronas Tower 2 Kuala Lumpur Malaysia 452 m 1,483 ft 88 1998
4 Sears Tower Chicago United States 442 m 1,451 ft 108 1974
5 Jin Mao Tower Shanghai People's Republic of China 421 m 1,380 ft 88 1998

^ When this (Port Tower) is constructed, it will definately be the 2nd tallest building after Burj Dubai!

Cant wait to see this in the records;

1. Port Tower Complex Karachi Pakistan 1,947ft
If it is constructed that is, from the look of things I dont see it being constructed anytime soon.

You know how long it takes to plan a structure this large?

I doubt it will be as tall as some of the members here are speculating. Even if it is that tall in Karachi, it will be horribly out of place. I would rather the money is spent on some lower rise building developments that give the surrounding area a large increase in land value. Maybe just have a higher viewing tower like the Seattle Space Needle where we can climb up and see how badly planned Karachi is and how polluted the seawater on our beach is.

I completely agree with swerveut. It would be a huge sore thumb on the skyline and will look ridiculously out of place without any other buildings. They should have opted for several other smaller towers instead.

i totally disagree....u need to start from somewhre..And pessism dat us pakistanis have with everything exists for everything. I read that kpt will generate double the amount they put in within 5 years. And Mush is opening it in June, and i think its 3-4 years after tat..da time frame dat is...I think a lot of positives are takin place in khi..better roads, underpasses.flyover..If anythin, pak is going towards da rite direction and once this is built i see more people investing in such ventures, Cos the rich people do have LOTS of money..it needs to be taken out of thr bank a/c's and filtered into projects so that the Country can reap from them....i feel this project has a lot of Pros and such negetivity shud be refrained from...

I would rather have 4 to 5 50 story buildings then one tower sticking out of no where.

I would rather have 4 to 5 50 story buildings then one tower sticking out of no where.

I agree. And also spend some money to beautify the surrounding area too. Only if we have a cluster of medium rise(40-50F) skyscrapers around would such a towering building look beatiful.

40-50 storey projects are mainly initiated by local private/semi private companies and groups. projects like port tower complex are those in which government policies and investment take part. whether port tower complex is built or not, if companies grow and environment for foreign investment remains good, 40-50 storey buildings will be developed. If you look at Taipei 101 from a distance, you will observe that it doesnt have any tall building in its surrounding, yet it is there. you can see that all the projects in Karachi and Lahore that have recently start are independant of whether there is a Port Tower COmplex sort of building or not.

I think Taipei 101 looks out of place as well.

People make fun of Taipei 101 as looking like a stack of chinese take-out boxes.

Also, it would be even worse if the KPT tower was government owned instead of being a private development. All the more reason the government should not be spending money on white elephants where there are bigger problems to tackle.

In addition to the economic feasibility of such a tower(i dont see all those floors being occupied right away), lets ask ourselves-- which skyline would we like for karachi?

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j187/tomcatserver/Taipei_101.jpg http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j187/tomcatserver/singapore_skyline.jpg

Why cant we have both?

haha

Salam,

Talking about being out of place, think about Burj Al-Dubai. Now, Burj would seriously look out of place, since the rest of the buildings would be way shorter.

But Burj will become the symbol of UAE and a pride for Dubai. PTC would do the same for Karachi.

Peace.

somebody needs to visit the Burj Dubai Forums and see what kinda crap they are getting for that building. People KNOW that its all for cosmetic effect and doesnt reflect ground realities.
For Karachi, I would definitely prefer the Singapore/Hong Kong type skyline much better for my home city cause it would then look more cultured and urbane and city-like. More natural and in character, rather than something sticking out like a sore thumb claiming uber-prosperity while a hungry woman with a crying baby comes begging by my car window every time I stop at a red light.

No....Dubai is better known for what?? OIL?? no!! first it was burj-ul arab, then the Palm tree island and now this.....Its an Icon which is stuck to a country/city. When i think of Malaysia, da first thing that comes to my head is the hugee a$$ building dat they have.....

It definetly will be an icon for our country. But i agree, People in pak(rich people) have a lot of money in their disposal. So if this project works, your 40 storry buildings will come up automatically... We dont need to stop one project for another.. If one gud thing is happening after years in Pakistan. It doesnt mean we stop it cos they didnt initially make a few 40 story buildings...Other people/firms can do that. If KPT has the funds and has investors, then so be it. Let the process begin in June/JULY.

but i agree with swerveut on one thing, if we had loads of 40-50 story buildings,our skyline would look really good, But i dont want to see crappy buildings which are never maintained to be built. If they build em, they should be state of the art. Its time we see that in Pakistan. but having said that, this port tower is being built near manora i think...so i think its facing the sea...And i read its going to be on an Artificial island or something aswelll.

So i am personally am fully behind kpt and da government. But i am hoping that once this starts. More people from pakistan and abroad invest in other buildings of some quality.

^^ If like you said its on an artificial island all by itself, it will be even more of a sore thumb. When people of the world look at the tall tower of babel we have built, they will only laugh at our stupidity.

how is dat stupidity?? so wat Dubai did was stupid aswell?!?! why make the Palm tree island....ur comment doesnt make any sense...

cud u elaborate on why it woud be Stupidity?!?!

Salam,

The superb intelligence used was that the project will be in sharp contrast to a "hungry woman" with what is visualized as a "crying baby" that would probably come "begging by" this car's window when it stops at a light. And the conclusion was that "somebody" needs to visit Dubai's forums.

Funny thing is that KPT is supposed to build a part of this project by its own money, while most of the project would be build by commerical profit made by earlier phase of this project.

In these circumstances, I fail to understand how even in Tokyo's megapolis you would not see this "hungry woman" begging...! I have seen this in New York, London and Berlin. ... And I am pretty sure this woman would appear in the streets of Dubai in the shadows of Burj as well.


But then again, I would personally like every human being in this world to be fed, before we build Burj Al Dubai.... so Why not lets stop all hotals, buildings, malls, and fancy sports facilities, stage and television, media, show business..... I am sure we will save billions of dollars, and can feed the entire world first.

What a chain of logic...!!! :ohno:

Peace.

Assalam-0-Alykum
I dont agree with mairijanpakistan.

Okey.. lets suppose we saved billions of dollars and fed the entire world, after some time they will be hungry again and we have to feed them again... 3 times a day... we keep feeding them again and again until we are finished with all the resources of the world with all these people still hungry.

My dear if we are serious about the problems of poor people we have to keep initiating such projects. Construction of hotals, towers, shoping malls is must for the development and betterment of people, because it creates job apportunities for them. just imagine how many poor people are affiliated with the construction of a single hottel or a shopping mall. Carpenters, electritions, truck drivers, Architects, plumbers, painters, tailers etc.. a big list..It also benifits labour of other factroies like timber, cable, sanatory fitting, tiles, steel mills, textile and cement factroires. By halting such projects u are worsen the condition of hungry people. :)

^ Excellent point man!

I am in favour of KPTC ... I am sure having a such creation karachi will get the attention city deserve.. THen we might see some more 700-800 ft tall buildings.. But something is surely required to start the process..

Good to see the govt. taking attention towards the city which generates more then 60% of money for the country.. Clifton fountain is wonderful! i have been thier a few times.. :) But are you guys sure the current government will be able to start the construction process of KPTC in time? THe period of current government will end in Nov 2007! I am still concerned its just a promise or something which is seriously under discussion..

Assalam-0-Alykum
I dont agree with mairijanpakistan.

Okey.. lets suppose we saved billions of dollars and fed the entire world, after some time they will be hungry again and we have to feed them again... 3 times a day... we keep feeding them again and again until we are finished with all the resources of the world with all these people still hungry.

I am a bit surprised at ur comments.. while i agree with ur first argument, but that same argument contradicts the part.that follows

My dear if we are serious about the problems of poor people we have to keep initiating such projects. Construction of hotals, towers, shoping malls is must for the development and betterment of people, because it creates job apportunities for them. .....

Wouldn't constructing such huge megastructures without a proper demand leave us in no mans land? what happens when our demands are no more and everyone is left jobless?

I believe, the economy as a whole should be proportionate. If you are aiming at some of the best structures of the world, you should also have some of the best industry/business that makes the demand for what you are supplying. Honestly speaking, i see no economic feasibility of such a mega structure at this moment.

I m sure everyone has read of the copper/gold discovery in baluchistan and the terms of the contract. Reason: we let the foreign firms invest in the surverying,and exploration while we are thinking of building luxurious structures. Had we provided the initial investment, we would be reaping the 75%. Strong economies have strong industrial base, which in turn lead to stronger development. Even the dubais and the singapores had established themselves as strong economic hubs before embarking on such projects.

So, i am not against construction and would definitely be proud to see that structure. But i will feel more proud if we go for an infrasture that would enough to help us strengthen our economy( even if its not amongst the top 10) but at the same time,we avoid another such bad contract and make full use of the existing one to build a strong manufacturing base in pakistan.

Salam,

Assalam-0-Alykum
I dont agree with mairijanpakistan.


:)

Actually you agree with me. The last line was scarcasm. Read my whole post.

I am for KPT.... and such projects.

I replied to this "superb" logic about this hungry woman...!

Peace.

cud u elaborate on why it woud be Stupidity?!?!

Building it on some island would completely isolate the tower from the city's skyline. If, like some of us were speculating here, it rises to be as high as 1947 ft or whatever, all by itself, it would look like the stupidest monument ever built.


As far as hungry beggar woman goes, if you use your God-gifted high IQ, you would understand that my reference is figurative. In simple words, there are bigger problems at hand that KPT should spend money on instead of building massive monuments. If indeed it is a private project with private financing, I have NOTHING against (except maybe its design) because in the end, it will end up creating jobs and benefit the city.
BUT
if this is going to be a KPT funded project, HECK NO! Have you ever been to Shireen-Jinnah colony? There are millions of oil tanker-trucks that are parked all over the neighbourhood stretching all the way from the port oil terminal to the Bilawal house area. These tankers are polluting, and due to lack of adequate parking space, they spill all over the place and park everywhere they find a spot. In front of people's houses, in front of shops, on the beach, on the sides of every road and street, etc. This problem is so severe that the scope of it can be easily seen through Google Earth. KPT doesnt have the foresight to be able to provide a proper parking space for these tankers that transport oil from the docks to all over the country even though theres ample space available to develop these spots. Even the road coming from Kiamari to Boating Basin isnt properly fixed. I also remember reading that KPT was busy building fountains when they even lacked warehouses to store coal shipments, and as a result, coal dust was flying all over the place and spilling into the city.
If KPT has excess money, it should be spending it in such infrastructural and administrative development projects that make it a better port. In no way should it spend its money in priority to build a super-high monument when so many other things are in more urgent need of that money.

Also, if it is built by the Govt., then too, I am in complete opposition as the Govt.'s job should be to be spending their money on education and healthcare for the benefit of the masses rather then build monuments for the benefit of the few.

I hope this clarified my point to all.

First off, i am glad you gave me an elaborate answer. And i really hope i am not arguing here with any intension of us geting verbal(with most pakistani's, that the best route taken).
But i would Totally disagree with you. First off, Port Tower is going to be inside the Port complex, thus the roads and the infrastructure will be much better. As for the Model and shape, I think its fine. I think people cant really make artistic stuff with such a height either. I would not want this to be INSIDE the heart of karachi. I dont want to see the same thing happen to it, like Habib bank building and the NBP building is facing.Its on a road which is PACKED with cars. The infrastructure is found lacking.
I know KPT will earn 200% of what its putting in withing 5 years. Now in economic terms, if you dont take that opurtunity, Its called Stupidity.
As for what you are saying kpt is doing lately. KPT is most probably Karachi's most efficient gov department. When Mush wanted the nazim to get the roads fixed, Mush ended up coming to KPT to fix most of the places. Thus we have the underpass( people oppose that aswell...well i think thats stupid aswell.. Might aswell live in caves and not get underpasses), we have a few fly overs coming up and the roads are getting fixed. The date for these roads to be finished is by june/july of this year.

As for the container trucks. First off, its not kpt's problem. Most terminals are privatized. Its their job to have that sorted but KPT is making a CARGO VILLAGE(people dont hear about this because if all they hear kpt doing is makin fountains, then ofcourse they will look fishy). They are also make 2 fly overs after the Native jetty bridge which connects to the terminals, with one lane specifiend for the Trucks( my friends father is constructing those roads, and i saw the model, its Greaat. The left most lane will become a sort of a bridge and keep on going on top of the road in a way, so the cars will go below it and the trucks will go above it and the bridge or fly over will go over the roads in to the terminal. This way no long trafic jams).

I feel KPT, the old Nazim(dont know much about the new one), and Mush in general are doing quite a bit for Khi.I dont think we should link this to feeding people etc. We keep thinking short term plans. We have to start thinking long term. We neeed to start somewhere. If this is made, i really can see people investing in our country. I know it wil definetly be our new icon and will create compitition, which we need badly. We have spent BILLIONS on politions crap,its time that we support something Good. I want some thing Like this in my country. I do. And i think we shoud thank Mush and Kpt for that. I pesonally support this Fully..

kbboy, one thing which i think you are saying is right is that the Infrastructure needs to be made better. But this can be made by the Authorities which are incharge of it. If KPT i putting in 20% of the cost and geting a profit of 200% in 5 years, then KPT gains money and so those Pakistan. As for infrastructure. They can maintain and make that better if they want. Thats every deparments job. KPT just won the best advancement award in the world for ports or something. They are finally in the top 100 ports in the world.
What should be happening is that 100 % of us pay our taxes. Our polititios dont eat up what ever lil money we have. The police should enforce da law. Better teachers, more scholarships etc. They should be doing their jobs. It has nthing to do with a Project. We wil get money with this project, JOBS, and a modern ICON. I think thats good enough for me to back it. We should ask the other departments to do their jobs...and if that happens. the thing you want and i want, a better infrastructure will happen. Lets hope and pray people in every department do their job. Pakistan seriously has so much potential..

^^ I think you missed my point somewhere.

Putting in shorter more concise terms:

The Govt.'s job IS to provide food and shelter (in terms of better job opportunities, healthcare, and education) for all the people. Asking it to look away from it for doing other stuff, means asking it to not do what its set up for. Thus, the government should have no hand in this. It should be an entirely private project.

As far as KPT goes, it will earn a profit (and a bigger one) if it invests in the port and related infrastructural development. If providing parking space for the trucks that serve its terminals is not KPT's job, who the he!! is responsible for it? I dont think its KPT's job either to be constructing flyovers and underpasses, that should be the CDGK's duty. But why the Clifton underpass and the Hino Flyover are OKAY to be constructed by the KPT is because they both form a vital infrastuctural link that serves the port. Likewise, KPT should develop other port related infrastructure as well such as parking areas for trucks, warehousing facilities for coal etc.

Currently, if you look at pictures of the port, you can see SO many common sense things that need improvement. A small example would be the small boat docks. If you ever see a picture of those, you see boats tied to one another due to lack of space instead of being tied to a dock. So what KPT should be investing in on a priority should be improving the port and related infrastructure. So what if we won some awards? Its still a fact that the Karachi Port is still one of the most expensive ports in the region and that is why ships end up going to Mumbai or Oman or someplace else.

As far as the Port Tower is concerned, I agree it will be an icon and what-not, but I completely disagree with the fact that it should be built by the KPT. If KPT needs to invest, it should invest in port and related infrastructure ONLY. Because thats its job. And I am sure that it will earn much greater economic returns from investing in the port than it can ever get from the tower.

If the tower is built, it should be entirely privately financed. The KPT can provide land if it wants, but again, KPT should not put in money into it.
Also, as far as the design goes, the current design looks like the most awkwardly designed thing that I have ever seen. It looks like some kid just took out a pencil and a paper to draw a tall building and voila! It lacks any sophistication or elegance or any harmony. If Karachi really needs an icon, I think we should do a better job at it than the current crappy design.

Also, as far as the location of the tower is concerned, why not make it along the seaside as was planned earlier? It wont be a heavily congested location, and would blend into the city skyline as well! This new news of making it on an 'island' all by itself is the most stupidest thing I ve heard.

...If the tower is built, it should be entirely privately financed. The KPT can provide land if it wants, but again, KPT should not put in money into it....
Providing the land is what the investment by Government means. No other private project gets free land from Government.

Hi..
First off if you may have read in my post that KPT themselves with their OWN money are making roads for the PRIVATE sector to whom they have given the terminals. Now that will definetly decrease the traffic jam. As for a parking, Their is no space outside it. Inside the port, every terminaly is mainly given to a private company, now if they dont want to make it then why blame kpt? they are making better services for them anyways.
As for the Port Tower, it is going to be on the frindge of Khi or the sea shore. Now Burj-ul-arab is on an artificial island aswell. No one seems to be complaining about that. Just like that, you will find it on the same wave length. The building design looks just fine. Old one may have been better, but its soo tall that according to that im sure designs are made.
KPT made the roads and the underpass's cos Mush wanted them to do it. Because KPT is loaded. Also cos KPT is one of the only government dep which is progressing. KPT doesnt take a penny from the GOV or the Tax payers. I also read that their productivity has gone up by 50 % this year. Profits are on a high. Its being acclaimed by the world port assosiation. So then whats the problem with people in pakistan? Everything doesnt happen over night. There are companies which are just eating away and we keep finding faults in dep which are doing something. That is ridiculous. Cargo Village is being made. A new wharf is being made. Have you gone to Taiwan, thailand, malaysia or indonesia? these small boats are always on the frindges of the port. It is NOT in the port. The port will only have comercial SHIPS and naval ships. These small boats are usually near the vilage which is opposite PNS himaliya. They provide those people a chance to go out in deep sea and catch fish and sell that off so that they can survive. They also are used for people who go from one place to another in the port.
From no where is KPT perfect, but right now it is doing a lot for Karachi and we should be happy that something GOOD is happening, rather then finding faults in EVERYTHING that happens. Port tower should be built.
Even if KPT has to put in money of their own. When they are getting more then they are putting in, then why not. While making a profit they are helping out lots of people with jobs. This may spark off the private sector who should be induldged in such projects to start investing in stuff like this.
You need to start from somewhere and this is a great launching Pad....

^^ Finding faults is not always bad. Especially if it leads you into the right direction. I am just arguing the principle of the thing. When theres an organization made for doing something, it should concentrate foremost on its duties instead of getting their hands in everything. That just makes it all bad.

If the Port Tower is indeed going to be on an island which is CLOSE to the seaside, like Burj-al-Arab, then its okay. Also, new design is better than the old one, but still needs a LOT of improvement.

Also, KPT has a LOT of land available they can use for making parking spaces. Take a look at the following picture by Google Earth of the area near the oil terminal and decide for yourself:

https://webspace.utexas.edu/ansarisw/Pics/Sat%20pics/Tankers%20in%20Shireen%20Jinnah.jpg?uniq=-v639jp

^^^those oil tankers have been banned from parking in the area that you have show in the google earth image they have been allocated a place somewhere near national highway

I will surely go to watch the inauguration cermony of the PTC with my grand children! :) By that time it will be the 500th tallest building in the world.. I am sure about that! cant expect anything ... yes anything from our slow and steady government!

:sleepy:

I will surely go to watch the inauguration cermony of the PTC with my grand children! :) By that time it will be the 500th tallest building in the world.. I am sure about that! cant expect anything ... yes anything from our slow and steady government!


heheh.....thanx....that give me some time n space in such a way that i might be able to design a couple of such towers by that time, one in Isloo, one in Gwadar n maybe one in Lahore aswell.....lol.....u might get the chance to c their inauguration by that time aswell.....!

https://webspace.utexas.edu/ansarisw/Pics/Sat%20pics/Tankers%20in%20Shireen%20Jinnah.jpg?uniq=-v639jp

Explain me this site - is this the one gonna b used fer the tower.....tell me some details - i havent been to KHI~!!

karachi is soooo brownnn...they really need to make it atleast sumwhat green

Salam,
karachi is soooo brownnn...they really need to make it atleast sumwhat green

Agreed completely.

Peace.

that isnt the location...it will be just off clifton beach towards Manora...By the way..it is starting in June/july. Secondly, its being made on an Artificial island,so yeah, hopefully its a wee bit green atleast.
As for that picture, thats the cargo area i think in KPT.

karachi is brown alright. but the main areas have qutie a few trees. we dont notice them because of the traffic and dirt around it.

that isnt the location...it will be just off clifton beach towards Manora...By the way..it is starting in June/july. Secondly, its being made on an Artificial island,so yeah, hopefully its a wee bit green atleast.
As for that picture, thats the cargo area i think in KPT.


^^ I dont think you read the posts concerning the picture. That was not part of the discussion about the location.

this is wat i am talking about...
'Explain me this site - is this the one gonna b used fer the tower.....tell me some details - i havent been to KHI~!!'

maybe You misunderstood ...

hey i went to the kpt wbsite to chek this port tower out!it says its 500 feet!
but in the newpapers is says its more then that!
how tall is it exaxtly!i even visited some websites ,none of them had the kpt tower in theier lists,even though the had other proposed buidings like the central indian tower

^ The 500 FT. must be a typo, because originally they planned it as 1,400 FT while now they have increased it to 1,947 FT. (As in 1947)

nice thanks bro

hello all i m ali asghar from karachi .. well i have joined this community just today as i m very much intrsted in development projects going in pakistan .. we r dealing in all kind of hardware tools. but we mostly deal in DEWALT .. i thnk u all know wht is dewalt .. its a UK based comapny manufacturing all kinds of harware tools .. khair tht was just my intro .. well whts up with the port tower... is thier any ground breaking of port tower in june .. plz let mee know bye tc all

Muhammad_ameen,

Control your outbursts!

Otherwise you will find yourself in the brig along with all the other children who cant control their emotions.

And refrain from using the word Paki

Regards,
UP

karachi is soooo brownnn...they really need to make it atleast sumwhat green

If they really want to make Karachi green quickly, they should get a couple mullahs to talk about how green is the colour of Islam in their Jummah khutbahs, and inshAllah you'll see thousands of mullah-turned-environmentalist lunatics spill into the streets protesting pollution and planting trees anywhere they can.

On a more serious note, Pakistan might want to look into drought-resistant grasses such as bermuda grass for their cities and public spaces. Places like Arizona and Dubai don't have lush green spaces because they water their grass 24/7, there's certain modified grasses that have been developed which could REALLY benefit a city like Karachi. Because let's face it, brown just looks depressing.

These mullahs don't give crap about green though is colour of islam but the only colour they know is red from bloody protests and suicide bomings etc...
anyway karachi is a very big city and will take some time to become green...

i still think the 1st design would look outstanding for karachi...
but they decided so what is the final height and when in june...

i was just sitting idle thinking :weird: about PTC and made this diagram.
if they are not using the previous design(that i like the most) :gaah: here is a suggestion for them :grouphug:

http://beta.pixsense.com/Hussain/images/PTC3.jpg

yaar this is very good should try this if they not getting anywhere with their ideas...

guess wat....da board of gov are not wanting to make da port tower(especially after getin criticized for makin da fountain)...even tho kpt is wanting to make it..but the board of gov arent convinced..thus its not going thru...lol...i love how people in pakistan are wimps.
Well we also dont make it easy for them by criticizing them about everything...

Pakistanis are just pessimistic and retarded to the extent they deny figures from every reputable international organization. Then we have our foreign politicians sitting in London screaming at Musharraf. Ohh yeah better watch out Ganja is not Ganja anymore! He got a hair transplant! WATCH OUT PAKISTAN!

i heard kpt is keen on making it..its only the board which is scared....but they will try to again have a presentation and hope they say yes.. cos apparentlly 3-4 firms are reallys keen on making it....i hope politics can b set aside for a while

UP......:(

I didnt remember my post......i didnt really remember what did i write??? and u deleted my words....

Please memorise me my words...then i consider your suggestions properly :p......lol at my memory ;)

huh..u talkin to me?

Pakistanis are just pessimistic and retarded to the extent they deny figures from every reputable international organization. Then we have our foreign politicians sitting in London screaming at Musharraf. Ohh yeah better watch out Ganja is not Ganja anymore! He got a hair transplant! WATCH OUT PAKISTAN!
100% agreed

The Port Fountain is obviously a contentious issue because it serves a purely cosmetic purpose. If the KPT wanted to shelve a project, that should have been the one.

The Port TOWER on the other hand, if actually built, will serve to provide commercial and office space, including apartments, and will serve to provide the general uplift of the area that it is built in.

It should definitely be constructed, but the KPT should ask OTHER companies to built it as a commercial venture, and not spend their own money on it.

Any progress news on this tower... The proposal of this tower is now surely very stale..

I haven't been able to find anything new; from what I read in the thread apparently it's suppose to start at the end of the year but I really doubt it.

Some Qatar owned company was suppose to build it right?

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e78/Fahadzkhan/untitled-1.jpg

office tower is different from port tower, i heard of this office tower few months ago as well, hope work on this is not delayed as in the case of port tower

This is a diffrent project and the picture is of a building in shanghai by SOM.

I thought maybe its the Port Tower Complex, so I guess no news on the PTC.

It says 2 million sq feet. Can anyone post figures of office floor area of some known buildings? I'd appreciate that. That'd help me compare.

I don't know if this has been posted yet or not...

Port Tower groundbreaking likely in June
Karachi: President General Pervez Musharraf is likely to perform ground-breaking of Rs 20 billion(€ 280 million) Port Tower project in June, considered to be amongst 10-tallest buildings of the world.

"Our preparations are in full swing and it is hoped that the President will perform the ground-breaking of the tower in June," an official in the ministry of ports and shipping told Business Recorder.

He said it would be a landmark project in Karachi with world class recreational facilities and the 1,400 feet high Port Tower with commercial-cum-recreational centre will rise at the skyline on the Clifton beach, he added.

The official said the main features of the venture would be a commercial complex, residential estate, recreational facilities and a viewing gallery offering a panoramic view of the coastline and the city.

The monument - believed to be amongst the 10 tallest buildings of the world - would be completed in a period of six years.

The complex would have speedy lifts for the visitors to have a bird's-eye view of the city from a revolving restaurant at its top.

The total 90-acre land required for the project would be made available through reclamation of the sea, the official said.

It is learnt that the Karachi Port Trust would contribute Rs 3.16 billion(€ 44.2 million) in the shape of 30-acre land for the tower and the Expo Centre, 30.5-acre land for low-rise residential complex, 21.5 acres for high-rise complex and 15.8 acres for shopping area and hotel.

The low-rise residential complex would comprise 75 units of 4,500 sq ft each, while the high-rise complex would have A and B categories of apartments.

The authorities believe the mega project would generate huge employment opportunities, as some 40,000 workers, along with 137 industries would remain associated with the project for six years

Click on Port Tower in Karachi for more information.

http://www.emporis.com/en/bu/nc/ne/?id=101541

Ok, that really old news, and nothing new there, so no point posting, I guess.

could anyone please give the actual ground breaking ceremony date of the project

The Emporis website still has the Port Tower as 1,476 Ft. high.

Wonder why? Wasnt it changed to 1,947?

Emporis is a bad source for information on Pakistani scrapers. The feed off our threads and even copy our archives sometimes.

Taipei 101 has 3.6 million sq. ft. of floor area. So this has to be pretty tall. I am assuming something like 70 floors in it. This could still be the Port Tower Complex then. After all, that had a spire and a lot of useless space, and was pretty thin too. In any case, this is going to be a supertall. Would it actually come to pass is another question, though.

And Emporis is only good for cities like NY, Singapore, HK, Tokyo, etc. Don't use it as a source of knowledge for Pakistan.

Yes, at UPK we are working towards a better system than emporis but something that works quite similar. I am still looking for a coder though but yeah emporis is horrible.

And If they make the same building as shown in the TENDER NOTICE....then it would be the NICESSSSSST building in Pakistan...even more Sleek than the Centauras...

They should stick with the first render that the KPT published, that building is much better then anything else I can think of.

That building is by SOM and it is being built in Shanghai. NOT IN KARACHI! This is just a image they put next to the tender to get some attention. This is in no way a render of the office building they will build.

Although what you are saying is right, UP; just because a building exists somewhere else doesn't mean we cannot unabashedly copy it. I forget the name of the building, but the one next to Native Jetty is an EXACT copy of a building in Singapore. Having said this, I know this one's just a random pic taken off of some website to put up on the ad.

I'm talking about the very first render that the KPT unveiled, which had some design links with the CN Tower..

Although what you are saying is right, UP; just because a building exists somewhere else doesn't mean we cannot unabashedly copy it. I forget the name of the building, but the one next to Native Jetty is an EXACT copy of a building in Singapore. Having said this, I know this one's just a random pic taken off of some website to put up on the ad.


I think you are referring to the PIC Towers, which resemble the following building in Singapore:

http://www.bigfoto.com/asia/singapore/024.singapore.jpg

http://www.kpt.gov.pk/Images2/Port-Tower.jpg

Port Tower

There is a dearth of world-class recreational facilities in the city. So KPT is offering a Joint Venture project to establish a 1947 ft high Port Tower with commercial cum recreational center. Integrating into Karachi’s skyline, the main feature of the venture shall be commercial complex, residential estate, recreational facilities and resorts along with a viewing gallery offering a panoramic view of the coastline and the city. The Tower is planned to be located at the Clifton shoreline. Presently proposals invited through press from the interested firms are under study.


Source: http://www.kpt.gov.pk

Good lord

May allah drown the person who conceived such a project!

I mean .. to be honest .. does this even seem like a project that the KPT will go ahead with?

They cant even complete a freaking Food Street on an already built bridge, and cant even build an Underpass and they plan on building this whole freaking thing?

Someone find Maulana Fazul Rehman! I need him to issue a FATWA against KPT!

^^^ Haahahahaha Man your sarcasm is increasing day by day....I think U r praying like this:"O Allah! increase my sarcasm"

Wesay jo ye render dia gaya hay....isay banaeyn ge kidhar?? Clifton k aas paas is tarah ka koi island hi nahin hay....shayad....KHUABON K DES mein :p


haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Pooooori qaum, leaders samait khuaab hi khuaab dekh rahi hay......

Koi KMPT k khuab dekh aur dikhaa raha hay....koi Elevated expressway k khuab dekh raha hay.....and so on....

Looks beautiful, specially while looking from high flying aircraft. a cresent and star giving it a Pakistani identity. the tower is too thin though. KPT should think of some bulky design.

BTW: Comparing with other country threads, the main difference that i see in Pakistan threads is that our first thoughts are always negative.
Everything starts with a vision. Not having a vision is worst than having it undone.

Hmmm quite right.....but what about our disoppointments??? okay you are going to visualise the development and progress.....but atleast do something out of it....You are more experienced than me...but you know how the World has been progressing....Yes they visualise a thing...they set a HIGH HIGH target but they atleast do something for it....Not like us....who have been planning a project since 1998 and still its design, height, location, cost, renders, tenders are not approved....dont you think this is awkward? (considering the pace of international developments, or atleast comaring it to Indians' works)

I like the crescent and star.

What's with the negativity? I see nothing wrong with it, except that it'd never be made. It looks eerily similar to the thing in Bahrain.

yups, no need to be too negative. It seems like they are studying proposals from companies currently, and my confidence in KPT has again been restored after I saw how nicely they developed the road from Mai Kolachee to the Forum. As far as the native jetty food street goes, it is under construction and they really HAVE started erecting structures on it now as opposed to the site preparation that was going on earlier.
I think port tower is still a pretty ambitious vision, I wouldnt be too negative about it, however I would also probably not bother keeping my fingers crossed until they actually break ground on this project.

wow, almost 2000 foot or 600m :eek2:

By Parvaiz Ishfaq Rana


KARACHI, Jan 31: The Karachi Port has appointed consultants for designing of a cargo village and an industrial park, to be set up over an area of 1303 acres through reclamation of land in the western backwaters of the port.

The design consultancy has been awarded to German consultants, M/s INROS Lackner

AG-Germany, on a consultancy fee of Rs76.5 million, to be completed in a period of nine months, official sources said on Wednesday.

The rapid economic growth resulting in higher volumes of imports and exports warranted for broader and futuristic vision for expansion of port facilities which are no more possible within the present area of the Karachi Port. Consequently, the port authorities search of new vistas and possibilities to meet the future challenges and facilitate trade and industry of the country.

As a result of this compelling situation, the KPT hired the services of world renowned consultants to look into these possibilities which would enable the port not only to enhance its cargo handling capacity, but also equally provide sufficient back-up support and facilities for handing a higher volume of containerised cargo.

Among its foremost priorities, the KPT has taken up the task of developing a deep-sea container terminal at Keamari and a cargo village along with an industrial park on the western backwaters of the port.

The feasibility study for the cargo village had been carried out by American consultants who examined the cargo handling, storage, dispatch constraints, with a view to set up an off-dock facility in the shape of cargo village where a variety of port and transport-related support services, such as inland container depots (ICD), container freight stations (CFS), bonded warehouses, auction parks, export processing operation and distribution activities are consolidated in a centralised location within an economic distance from the port.

After carrying out extensive study, the American consultants strongly recommended development of cargo village and industrial park in phases.

Based on the recommendations of the feasibility, the KPT in the first step recently singed an agreement for detailed designing of cargo village and industrial park.

The project development plan envisages creation of around 1303 acres through reclamation process. However, under phase one around 330 acres would be required.

The scope of work will include feasibility and master plan study and detailed designing and tendering for inviting bids of four infrastructure components of cargo village and industrial park, including channel and quay wall, dredging, reclamation, soil-strengthening and stabilisation, construction of bund, approach and internal roads, including connections, railway links, water supply, electrical, sewerage and sewer system and fire- fighting system.

The consultants will also have to make designing for plantation of mangroves in the area, common user facilities, administrative and commercial buildings, emergency response system and security requirements.

The task would inter alia include detailed construction drawings, cost estimates and tender documents for infrastructure development works.

http://dawn.com/2007/02/01/ebr6.htm



Speaking like an optimist, I supposed they'll prepare for all their projects requiring reclamation in one planned go...including the part where they dream of one day building the port tower?

lol @ optimism

3) something that looks like a star and cresent when seen from top, but is joined and stretched to 1947 ft.

-Mehdi

is this new render a try for this???:nuts:
i actually didnt mean that :lol:

It doesn't really mention the Tower Complex anywhere, does it? Shouldn't it be in the Karachi Updates thread?

Secondly, seems like the crap word village has caught on. Screw Dubai for that. I can't tell how much I hate this word.

Even these consultation fees are scams. Instead of milking tax payers money on the final project like they used to, now they'll develop some insane proposal, hire a multi national for millions of dollars, and in the end say it's not feasible. Repeat again in the next year. Again. And again.

Does anyone remember how many times Karachi has done a feasibility study on a a mass transit scheme? I've lost count of the amount of dollars that have been wasted in these new study scams.

Hi Guys,

Just joined this site.

I was wondering what is the latest on the Port Tower in Karachi?

Has construction begun?

It has been shelved because of the lack of an investor.

It has been shelved because of the lack of an investor.

Why am I not surprised

Why am I not surprised
You are not suprised because this is Pakistan, and this is the way we do things in Pakistan.

You are not suprised because this is Pakistan, and this is the way we do things in Pakistan.

well we havent done a whole lot

I was so happy when I heard about these skyscrapers being build in Pakistan but unfortunately they are just a dream

well we havent done a whole lot

I was so happy when I heard about these skyscrapers being build in Pakistan but unfortunately they are just a dream

Welcome to the Club ;)

Welcome to the Club ;)
Fahad, we have quite a large club.:lol:

Its growing like Burj Dubai :lol:

blah....

what a sad sad forum.

This project is not dead. The process is still going on.

This project is not dead. The process is still going on.
Or in other words it is shelved...:)

So.. did the design change or is it still the same?

They are a total of 3 designs for this project and I am not exactly sure which one will be built.

and actually there hasn't any official rendering been spread so far.

The crescent one is the latest one, isn't it?

No, that crescent was the first one.

I see. Now let's see if KPT can raise capital. My estimate is that that crescent idea would cost $2 - $3 billion. The Port Tower alone would cost somewhat $600 million.

My personal opinion is that they can't and hence this will eventually get shelved.

So.. what exactly is it thats causing the delay? Are there any official statements given, about the delay? or just speculations?

So.. what exactly is it thats causing the delay? Are there any official statements given, about the delay? or just speculations?
The project has been shelved due to lack of an investor.

PTC project is not shelved
Now, Port Qasim & Emaar will invest on this project ($43b island city)
Emaar is also building Worlds tallest building in Dubai

These are the renderings of 'Karachi project

http://www.kpt.gov.pk/Images2/Port-Tower.jpg



Source: http://www.kpt.gov.pk

What? KTP != PQ.

^^
no...if u read wat he said prop u wud understand wat he said
he said PQA is also investing into da KPT prog...

Actually what he said doesn't make any sense to me.

He said PQ and Emaar will invest in that project and then names a project that has nothing to do with it. And why exactly would PQ invest in a project that is on KPT's land???

PTC project is not shelved
Now, Port Qasim & Emaar will invest on this project ($43b island city)
Emaar is also building Worlds tallest building in Dubai

These are the renderings of 'Karachi project



Source: http://www.kpt.gov.pk


these 2 r different projects, PTC is supposed to be constructed on a reclaimed island whereas emaars project is on bundal and buddo islands. and the source u provided says nothing about wat u said.

any news on this guys??

I think its still a vision

isko Urdu mein kehtay hain "DEEWAANAY KA KHUAB" :P

and "Saawan k andhay ko hari hari soojhti hay"

Foreign investment in city can lead to a competitive environment and can result in more buildings:)

Whatever happened to the tower designed by Aedas?

stumbled upon this while looking for updates on KPT Tower. According to wikipedia these are the same architects that came up with the original design for Al-Burj (hence explaining the resemblance to Al-Burj)


Port Trust Tower Complex Karachi, Pakistan

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8453/karachiporttowercomplexjq5.jpg

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2192/karachiporttowercomplexho2.jpg

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/1701/karachiporttowercomplexni5.jpg

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/2905/karachiporttowercomplexhq6.jpg

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4959/karachiporttrusttowersizr0.jpg

Combining the patterns and traditions of the existing city with modern sustainable urban design concepts, the Karachi Port Trust Master Plan creates a landmark skyline from the sea that will become the pride of Karachi. The Karachi Port Trust Master Plan will enhance popular Clifton Beach through the creation of a 250-acre mixed-use development. This includes the Karachi Port Trust Tower that, at a height of 1,947 feet, symbolizes the date of Pakistan's independence. The master plan has been developed based upon five distinct design principles:
- A new arcing landform
- A beautiful city park
- Three contrasting districts
- A diverse urban grid
- An ecological framework
The overall program area for the Tower iincludes 2,000,000 square feet of office and 700,000 square feet of hotel and 600,000 square feet of retail. In addition, the program calls for 350,000 square feet of exhibition space, a 1,500-seat auditorium and an observation deck at the top of the tower.

Information
-250 acre mixed use development master plan
-Three landmark districts: Tower, Mosque and College/Hospital
-Beachfront promenade connecting to a large park made up of restored mangroves




Source: Pei Partnership Architects (http://www.peipartnership.com/projects/portTrust/portTrust.htm)

according to the site plan above this is the location:

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/4505/karachiporttowercomplexev6.jpg

this is like the 5th design we've had now, kya bakwaas hai

^^and hopefully this will be the last and will actually get built

This design looks much, much, much better than the original and I hope it gets built.

according to the site plan above this is the location:

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/4505/karachiporttowercomplexev6.jpg

This area's going to look awesome if this becomes a reality!

This design looks much, much, much better than the original and I hope it gets built.

I agree a 100%! :happy:

My friend owns a sheesha lounge (Meezaj) a few hundred yards down the road from Dolmen City. If this gets built here, his business will skyrocket cause all the office workers will just walk to his lounge for a quick snack/shisha break.

People are still dreaming about it?

I saw a thread in the international forums about a building in the US which has been in the planning stages for even longer than the Port Tower, and it was updated today with new renders and stuff as well (coincidence?) so it gave me hope that the Port Tower will also be built.

My friend owns a sheesha lounge (Meezaj) a few hundred yards down the road from Dolmen City. If this gets built here, his business will skyrocket cause all the office workers will just walk to his lounge for a quick snack/shisha break.

shisha is for gangsters not for office workers.

shisha is for gangsters not for office workers.

ohh no... i enjoyed shesha last week with friends. m gangster..wowww.. call me Qaiser Bhai :banana:

Awesome update musiddiqui, at least this project is in loop. i simply love the new concept image and waiting to see its reality. good work again and keep us updating on the progress of this new design.

when they start..........and when get completed????????????

I saw a thread in the international forums about a building in the US which has been in the planning stages for even longer than the Port Tower, and it was updated today with new renders and stuff as well (coincidence?) so it gave me hope that the Port Tower will also be built.
I'll cut my left nut if this project ever gets started. It won't.

^^ Let me do this job :D

:ohno:

I'll cut my left nut if this project ever gets started. It won't.

traPPed! Golden chance for you :lol:

I already see 3 problems arising due to the location of this project:

1. NGOs are going to create problems because of land reclamation and occupation of public beach. They have already managed to stop DHA from constructing anything along the beach through the Sindh High Court, they can do the same with this.

2. Will be difficult to get a clean Environment Impact Assessment (EIA) report due to land reclamation.

3. Dolmen City is a next door neighbor Masroor Airbase did not allow them to construct more than 55 floors, I doubt they will be too happy with a 1947 feet tall tower.


So in conclusion I think if they go ahead without any major change you can be sure there was some corruption involved.

Awesome design! It would be a beauty if it every gets built.

2. Will be difficult to get a clean Environment Impact Assessment (EIA) report due to land reclamation.



For my edification, any idea how someone such as Nakheel are able to get (or indeed if they are able to get/need to get) a clean EIA (or the equivalent) for something such as the Palm Island projects where, I would guess, the land reclamation is on a much grander scale?

sadly, in such cases democracy=red tapism + crying foul + corruption = screwing up projects and investment.

For my edification, any idea how someone such as Nakheel are able to get (or indeed if they are able to get/need to get) a clean EIA (or the equivalent) for something such as the Palm Island projects where, I would guess, the land reclamation is on a much grander scale?

Nakheel is a Dubai government run company i doubt they need any EIA report if there is anything like that in Dubai.

Nakheel is a Dubai government run company i doubt they need any EIA report if there is anything like that in Dubai.


Which kinda brings me to my point I guess...construction needs to be strongly supported but, critically, must be subject to key considerations such as environmental impact.

I'll cut my left nut if this project ever gets started. It won't.

I really want it to be built now! COME ONE PEOPLE! Hurry up! GET TO WORK! :rock:

:speech:

Btw did the title of this thread always called it a "Vision" or was that just recently added??

If you guys look again at the renders, the beach will not be closed off to the public. Due to the land reclemation, the beach will actually move forward, and the road will be in between the beach and the building, thus the ordinary citizen can ride the camels on the beach right infront of the building. Hope the NGO's don't bitch about this despite this fact.

For my edification, any idea how someone such as Nakheel are able to get (or indeed if they are able to get/need to get) a clean EIA (or the equivalent) for something such as the Palm Island projects where, I would guess, the land reclamation is on a much grander scale?
Ironfist government.

Status is still vision! its atleast 5-6 years away. I like the latest design though. By far the best until now.

If you guys look again at the renders, the beach will not be closed off to the public. Due to the land reclemation, the beach will actually move forward, and the road will be in between the beach and the building, thus the ordinary citizen can ride the camels on the beach right infront of the building. Hope the NGO's don't bitch about this despite this fact.

i also noticed that but DHA has also repeatedly said that they will not close off the beach to the public but the NGOs still bitched about it.

For my edification, any idea how someone such as Nakheel are able to get (or indeed if they are able to get/need to get) a clean EIA (or the equivalent) for something such as the Palm Island projects where, I would guess, the land reclamation is on a much grander scale?

Thats because only one department (in federal govt) is solely in charge of controlling airwaves, whereas with real-estate you need permission from provincial, federal and municipal governments (well, technically you only need permission from muncipal government, but federal and provincial govts can also block your project), and they all will try to block your project just in order to collect their bribes. On top of that, you also have litigation-happy lawyers and NGOs and you have to fight them off in the courts before you can even start your project.

You dont face any of these problems when starting a new cellular service (or newspaper, radio or channel).

^^ You're alive??? :?

till now i thought the huge structure in the middle (numbered 21 on the site plan below) of the development was the actual tower but after closely looking at the renders and comparing them with the site plan i was able to figure out that the structure marked by the red arrow is the tower whereas the other structure looks like a mosque (has a dome in the render and architects website says there is also going to be a mosque in the complex). someone might already know this but i just assumed that big structure to be the tower.

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4375/porttrust5copymv3.jpg

Ah, I also thought the big square was the tower. Thanks for pointing that out.

Should the Port Tower be about 120 floors instead of just 40? 40 is a very mall number of floors for a 1947-foot high yower. I saw on Wikipedia that the tower may have at least 117 floors.

^^ Where did you get the 40 floor figure from?? :?

What is this guy talking about??

^^I am talking about the number of floors proposed for this tower.

^^I am talking about the number of floors proposed for this tower.

We don't know the number of floors for the tower, but i assure you its not 40.

Pei is a very respected architect... I wonder if this means the project is more credible? Afterall, its not some BS plan drawn up by someone like "Hassan and Sons."

Well I m surprised why the Sindh Envirmental Protection Agency and Pakistan Fisherman Folk Forum are not reacting to this great project because they have the habbit of stupid opposition of every good project in the city

Well I m surprised why the Sindh Envirmental Protection Agency and Pakistan Fisherman Folk Forum are not reacting to this great project because they have the habbit of stupid opposition of every good project in the city

Sssshhhhhhuuuuussshhhhh!!!!!!!! Don't divert their attention towards this project too. You should be happy that they aren't messing with this project.

Should the Port Tower be about 120 floors instead of just 40? 40 is a very mall number of floors for a 1947-foot high yower. I saw on Wikipedia that the tower may have at least 117 floors.

according to my calculations this tower will have approximately 145 floors, but number of floors have not been officially announced yet